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Speaker 1: where you stand with on X. I'll tell you what

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Speaker 1: I'm cooking right now. If you want to know my

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Speaker 1: new um invention. Yes, it's you take the two legs

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Speaker 1: off a turkey, okay, thighs and drumsticks. You stick them

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Speaker 1: in a big old pot like a lock crusade dutch

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Speaker 1: op and type pot, and then uh, capping with water,

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Speaker 1: just covering with water. You know order this is going.

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Speaker 1: But then you put in a whole ton of garlic,

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Speaker 1: don't do anything to it, just peel it, any quartering onion,

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Speaker 1: put it a whole ton of hoistened sauce, bullion, salt, pepper,

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Speaker 1: and a whole ton of ginger. Oh, then putting your

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Speaker 1: oven at two seventy five all day long. And oh

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Speaker 1: you know the fact that I used to kind of

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Speaker 1: think that adding all kinds of junk to your braising

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Speaker 1: liquid didn't matter. It was stupid. I mean I used

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Speaker 1: to like put my pants and I was a little

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Speaker 1: kid too, Like people change over time, but uh, some

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Speaker 1: people that was indefensible position. You cannot make up for

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Speaker 1: it later. So how are you serving that stuff? Well,

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Speaker 1: the problem is you pulled out and you think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna make something with it, but you just eat it

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Speaker 1: all like that. That's all right, Yeah, I just eat

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Speaker 1: it all like that. The minute you can tear it

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Speaker 1: Well that was the intention, or you put it on sandos,

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Speaker 1: make barbecue sandwiches and stuff like that. God's just good

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Speaker 1: like that tonight? I got it right now. I just

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Speaker 1: pulled out of my oven. What do I think about doing?

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Speaker 1: Is um just setting that whole thing down on the tabletop.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just be like digging. Watch the bones so good.

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Speaker 1: I did the the old street taco last night with

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Speaker 1: turkey legs. Why were you on the street No kitchen taco,

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Speaker 1: kitchen taco, backyard taco. But you cook the legs, legs

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Speaker 1: and thighs pulled it. You know what else? I got

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Speaker 1: in there with my thing? What I haven't sampled you

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Speaker 1: as I threw a hunk of bear scrap in there,

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Speaker 1: just a scrap of bear meat, just to see just

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Speaker 1: when you made your tacos, would you put on them

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Speaker 1: as far as like fictions fixings, Yeah, some avocado, some um,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of lime, um, some onion, some taco sauce, um,

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Speaker 1: sour cream, not even real fancy. If you really want

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Speaker 1: to please your woman, Seth, what I would do is

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Speaker 1: pick the meat. Yeah okay, lightly tossed it with some

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Speaker 1: then put it on your taco. That's what I usually.

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Speaker 1: I didn't do it last night because it's been lazy,

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Speaker 1: but usually I payan fry it then. Oh yeah, um

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Speaker 1: the uh chew picabra seasoning, the green taco seasoning which

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Speaker 1: brought these kids thinks too spicy. That's right. Every kid

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Speaker 1: have no problem with tough little kids. You get that

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Speaker 1: stuff into the air in the kitchen, it'll definitely put

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Speaker 1: I tossed elk shank and that stuff, threw it on

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Speaker 1: that and the suvie for like a long time, twelve

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Speaker 1: test for a shank and the suvie is to try

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Speaker 1: to find where the tendon is coming out all clear.

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Speaker 1: And if you can poke that tendon and it just

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Speaker 1: the elk shank's done. Now do you always grill pre suvie? Well,

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Speaker 1: and if that's why it took that, because when you

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Speaker 1: it up that way. That makes a mean kitchen taco. Yeah. Actually,

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Speaker 1: my my draw. I drew them out and go tag

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Speaker 1: real quick, um, not real quicklation. Steve just got word

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Speaker 1: How many years did you put in? Well, I was

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Speaker 1: putting in before they even came out with bonus points.

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Speaker 1: Approximately what year did you start more than half your life? No? Yeah? Better?

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Speaker 1: Not only um was he good at math, but just

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Speaker 1: like has a real way of making it feel profound.

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Speaker 1: You're right, half my life, yeah, Drew, But check this out.

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Speaker 1: My brother moved to this state. Granted he never moved way,

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Speaker 1: he just stayed put. He moved to this state right

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Speaker 1: when I did. Okay, In that in that time, he

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Speaker 1: drew Mountain, goat Moose. There's like, I should give you

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Speaker 1: a little background. There's three tags that are real hard

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Speaker 1: to draw. Here. I mean there's all kinds of special units.

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Speaker 1: But in the state of Montana there's three Moose, sheep

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Speaker 1: and gold are like real hard to draw. In most

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Speaker 1: days all over the West, moose, sheep and go hard

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Speaker 1: to draw U. And the time that I've been putting

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Speaker 1: in so so, he drew goat moose, big horn, go again. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and I drew finally go. And when he draw, when

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Speaker 1: and waited seven years draw another damn go take. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think he's quite applying now, right. He's taking himself barely.

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Speaker 1: Even when he drew his last go tag, he barely

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Speaker 1: I think he thinks he feels like he should take

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Speaker 1: I don't know. So he's just bored of it. He's

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Speaker 1: like what it was like. He was like, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: wanted to get it out. But I'm saying he don't

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Speaker 1: think he's participating anymore in the draws. He's still applying

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Speaker 1: for sheep again. I thought the story was he yanked

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Speaker 1: himself out because he's already already done it. So did

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Speaker 1: he get the second go? No, he didn't really care.

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Speaker 1: He got his once in a lifetime tags taken care of.

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Speaker 1: If you don't care, I guess, don't apply. I'm chexting

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Speaker 1: them right now in case people are wondering what happened

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Speaker 1: to the host. But they're not. They're not once in

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Speaker 1: a lifetime in Montana, obviously for most people. They are.

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Speaker 1: You can you can talk to that point. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have to have a long life, a long, long,

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Speaker 1: ppable life, so now. But but the point being, you're

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Speaker 1: you're all upset about how you've been putting in and

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Speaker 1: never drew. But they didn't start doing that. They didn't

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Speaker 1: start doing bonus points until until later. Well. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: and to the state of Montana. So what year did

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Speaker 1: you really put were you really putting in before I was?

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Speaker 1: Were you really putting in back? And you're wrong, You

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Speaker 1: honestly did put in years. Yeah. I mean I've been

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Speaker 1: putting in since I was able to apply, right, unless

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Speaker 1: my dad was just totally screwing with me lying yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's like a son. I didn't give you any allowance

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Speaker 1: because I put you in for a goat u. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean the whole bonus point thing. I

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Speaker 1: just hate that that's even a part of the conversation.

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Speaker 1: We've already talked about that. It's the worst thing Montana's

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Speaker 1: ever done to people, other than let nonresidents apply. You know,

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Speaker 1: they should be ashamed the whole state. Um. You weren't

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Speaker 1: here's where I screwed myself a little bit too. I

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Speaker 1: due to the fact that we instituted a bonus point

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Speaker 1: program that's not even really a bonus point um that

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Speaker 1: I refused to even purchase them. A few years, which

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Speaker 1: you know only hurts myself. Why is it not at true?

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Speaker 1: What you were so upset you quit drawing? No, I

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Speaker 1: yeah makes zero? Can you real quick explain to people

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Speaker 1: then to explain why you would, um, why you would

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Speaker 1: And for what system you prepare? Uh? Order again, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go from from top to bottom. What system I prefer?

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Speaker 1: What is it we're talking about? Um? So, a bonus

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Speaker 1: point is basically a uh something that instead of putting

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Speaker 1: in the hat twice. If you have a bonus point, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just stupid. Let's say you have a uh let's

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Speaker 1: say the interest in the resource outweighs the source and

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Speaker 1: you have, um you have You've determined that you can

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Speaker 1: damaging the population. But there's a hundred people that are like,

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Speaker 1: I'll go, well, you gotta pick ten of them. So

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Speaker 1: they picked ten of them by having a drawing, and

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Speaker 1: now all hundred of those people sending an application, they

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Speaker 1: send ten of them a tag. What happens the other

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Speaker 1: ninety people, They say to them, but here's a consolation prize.

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Speaker 1: You get a bonus point. So the next year, we

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Speaker 1: do the same thing all over if you pay an

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Speaker 1: extra two dollars give me. If you give us two

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Speaker 1: and we do this all over again, you'll get an

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Speaker 1: extra point, meaning your name will be in the hat

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Speaker 1: two times next year because you're a loyal customer. Ten

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Speaker 1: years goes by. This guy is like, I still have

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Speaker 1: a drawing in these damn tags. You're like, well, I

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Speaker 1: guess what, buddy, your name goes in the hat now

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Speaker 1: ten times because you've tried ten times. And that keeps

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Speaker 1: some whipper snapper who hasn't been with the program and

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Speaker 1: hasn't been participating from coming in and gobbling up tag

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Speaker 1: out from under a guy who should be getting some

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Speaker 1: preferential treatment for the fact that he's a return customer.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't Montana square them, not at first. Now they square them,

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Speaker 1: so when I send my stuff in, I'm in there

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Speaker 1: like fos, which I love the fact that you guys

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Speaker 1: oh gosh, free here tomorrow. Okay, So, now, what's what's

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Speaker 1: wrong with the system? You think it should be the

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Speaker 1: young waper snappers come in and have the same rights

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Speaker 1: as as a repeat die hard sticking to it, long

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Speaker 1: time supporter conservationist conservationist. What I think is, once you

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Speaker 1: draw a tag, you should be done if you are successful,

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Speaker 1: because times in the Colorado and I don't know what

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Speaker 1: I don't understand it either. Cal. I'm sure it was

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Speaker 1: I was like, go, you'd build a wall around the state. Yeah,

425
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: put people back to work, Mr Trump, build that m

426
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: pro wall just not down there. Yeah, whether waste on

427
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: that waste on that walling material. I got a way

428
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: shorter border. Okay, question, do you spike by spikes? He's

429
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: saying spikes. Do you know that there was a there

430
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: was an ice fishing bait called spikes in Michigan? You

431
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: know what? Do you get? Um? Raise? You haven't? You

432
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: know what a spike is? Ice fishing? Yeah, a waxy

433
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: A wax worm is like a you know, little larva.

434
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: The hell it from? I knew it once once upon

435
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: a time. A waxworm. A spike is one of those

436
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: that has a tail on it, or mousies. Yeah, we

437
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: call the mousies mouse's and spikes. It look like it's

438
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: like with a little mouse. It looks like a little

439
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: it's a maggot with a tail, and you'd call it

440
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: a spike or a mousey. But this guy when he

441
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: says do spikes always stay spikes? He's talking to spike bucks.

442
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: So a buck that throws two pencil antlers, do they

443
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: always stay spikes? Is it beneficial to kill them over

444
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: a big buck because of poorer jeans? Uh? No? And no, no,

445
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: they do not always stay spikes. And the next year

446
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: they'll grow a different angler. And two, it's been proven

447
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: conclusively that if a buck that's a spike that does

448
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: not indicate his destiny as a buck. That's right. He

449
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: will not always be like a little dank back. He's

450
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: got just a much chance, just like a little small

451
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: second grade kid. You can't say, oh, you'll always be,

452
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, a little small kid. Yeah, I found a

453
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: spike elk Antler on the ground here yesterday, did you really? Yeah,

454
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: it's a nice one too, are really cool? Yeah, they're cool. Oh,

455
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: probably fourteen inches yeah. Um. The uh, the reason that

456
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: some units have spike like spike specific tags is, uh,

457
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: they find that it increases the health of the herd

458
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: over time. But it's based off of the fact that

459
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: you're taking an animal out of the group that's kind

460
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: of voted nature has voted it most likely to die anyway.

461
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: It's in that age class of not making it out

462
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: of the the learning curve yet m m. Yeah. And

463
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: it allows you way to kill. It gives you a

464
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: way to kill younger bulls at all, killing too many

465
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: younger bulls because it's like you'd be that you know

466
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: that you might only have x percentage out of the

467
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: population are going to be that way anyway, Yeah, that

468
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: they're even gonna be eligible to be hunted. Yeah, if

469
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: you ever get the opportunity to look over a big

470
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: elk herd, try to pick out all the spikes. Yeah,

471
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm talking. A lot of guys have drawn spike tags

472
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: and they're thinking they're just gonna be waiting around through spikes.

473
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: But you're reviewing your mind. Man, It's like you go

474
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: a long time without having to spike in front of you.

475
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like there is everywhere a lot

476
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: of places they're protected. You can't shoot them. Yeah. Who

477
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: highlighted best advice for hunting public lands and pressured areas?

478
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: Question mark? Did I do that? Oh? I did? It

479
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: seems like a very broad Well I was gonna narrow

480
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: it down to a tip. I'll give a tip. I

481
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: think everyone should offer a tip. It doesn't need to

482
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: be broadly applicable, but just a tip that comes to mind.

483
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: Hunting public lands and pressured areas my tip, and it's

484
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: not applicable to all situations, but it's a way of thinking.

485
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: Is there are ways those not ideal to be in

486
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: a high pressured area with a lot of other hunters

487
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: competing with you. Um, but my tip is ask yourself,

488
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: think about are there ways that I could make this

489
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: pressure work for me. Um, I've seen that happen like

490
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: places where when all hell breaks loose on opening day.

491
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that these deer are gonna blank

492
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: right and make it work for you and have it

493
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: make it be part of your plan. Yeah, yeah, I

494
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: like that. The pressure were used to duck hunt in

495
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: a spot every year, open day of duck season, the

496
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: Mouskegan Marsh. Your success relied on there being tons of

497
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: people in the marsh. You got good shooting all day

498
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: long if you hunt it over to stream channels and

499
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: stuff because people's bump birds all day and then tend

500
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: in the morning, everybody decided to go home, and it

501
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: really heats up because everybody gets in the riverboat and

502
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: gets out in the main channel to drive the riverboat back,

503
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: and they put all the ducks back up in the

504
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: air again, and it was like you needed it to

505
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: be high pressure, which leads me to my hot tip

506
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: go ahead, would be get up earlier or get up later.

507
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: So you either beat everyone out there by getting up

508
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: really early, or you sleep in and you get out

509
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: there about ten am and wait for them to get

510
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: out of there. Wait for them to get out uh

511
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: and you may catch some animals moving because they know

512
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: the schedule of the bulk of the hunting population. So

513
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: my tip would be too, there's a lot of surveys

514
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: out there, like collar like where they're collaring animals in

515
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: high pressured areas. Just see what you're doing. And uh,

516
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: oftentimes those surveys revealed that like say a big white

517
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: tail buck is hanging out hundred fifty yard hundred hunter

518
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: fifty yards from the parking lot because everyone's walking right

519
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: past it. You know, Yeah, we had that. We had uh,

520
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: the turkey Master, Mike Chamberlain Mayor, they had this turkey

521
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: that couldn't be killed. He would even send people out

522
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: and tell them because they were studying how this turkey

523
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: couldn't be killed. He'd send people out and say, here's

524
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: what the turkey has. Go try to get him. They

525
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: won't be able to get him. Eventually, a guy gets

526
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: in the fight with his wife, drives down the road,

527
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: parks at the parking area at the state where the

528
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: check station, walks over the hill of the pout and

529
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: kills that turkey. There's overlooked areas, overlooked spot. No one

530
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: was hunting the parking lot. A guy that I hunted

531
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: elk with when I was just starting out our tree hunting.

532
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: Real goofy dude, really real fun guy. Um, but that

533
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: was his thing. Like you would drive up to the

534
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: parking lot at the trailhead or whatever his spot was

535
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: on the side of the road, you know, slam corridors,

536
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: be talking. And then the second his boot went from

537
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: gravel to dirt, his body went into creep mode and

538
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: he had his cow call in his mouth it was

539
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: I need wait and listen. And he hunted from I

540
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: mean from basically the truck door on like the the

541
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: second he pivoted from away from the truck door, he

542
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: was hunting. And and that has definitely served me well.

543
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: But not just to blow pass all the stuff that

544
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: everybody else must be. Yeah, yeah, my tip would be

545
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: to uh, no that country better than everybody else walking

546
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: a lot, criss cross it, no every little draw at

547
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: what every little ridge top looks like, and just really

548
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: commit the landscape to your memory, not just in hunting season.

549
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 1: Probably sure, well, yeah, that's probably not the time I'd

550
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: be walking around it. Uh, That's the time I'd be

551
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: hunting it, you know. But I think, yeah, enough people

552
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: don't like just no their landscape well enough so that

553
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: they can be standing anywhere on their pressured land and

554
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: just know exactly what it looks like on the other

555
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: side of the ridge or two ridges over, which leads

556
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: to knowing places like no matter how much pressure a

557
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: unit is getting, there's it's still gonna be places that

558
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: aren't getting hunted just because of the way the landscape

559
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: lays out, or where the trails lead or the roads leads.

560
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: So look for spots to go into where you're bushwhacking,

561
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, don't use trails, and and find places to

562
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: access country that's not getting accessed easily by a bunch

563
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: of other hunters. Well, joe ye, who's right? Sometimes, Oh man,

564
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: it just is hard. I think like staying optimistic, which

565
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: is hard too, is that that's just hard. It's hard.

566
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: That's the reality. Absolutely, Okay. Strategy for when turkeys are

567
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: calling back but not coming in, which I feel like

568
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: it is that that's called turkey hunting. That's most days,

569
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: that's turkey hunting. That's what turkey hunting is. It's you

570
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: hear a bird call and then lowland, then lo and

571
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: behold it does not come in. Um, we we walked

572
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: away from some birds this year, um and called and

573
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: then they there are three of them. They turned and

574
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 1: decided now was the time to come. They like ran

575
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: back right back into our exact same spots that we

576
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: have been calling from. Oh you left the spot yep,

577
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: So birds were across this draw. It was way too

578
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: wide open going to come in to do anything. So

579
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: I was like, well, let's just set up and call.

580
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: We call and call, and they're chatting and kind of

581
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: shutting up for a while, and then looked to call

582
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: again and then they're like, oh, this just is not

583
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: gonna happen, So get up, walk up on top of

584
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: the ridge, which was only about seventy five yards probably

585
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: call again, and then you know, it was just the

586
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: response was like, well, now we're coming. They gobbled back

587
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: and look and I could see these three black dots

588
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: just kind of like charging far away. Yeah. Is their

589
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: mood changes? Yeah, and just and ran right back up

590
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: into our same previous butt divots in the grass. And

591
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: three minutes later that tom was right there with a

592
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: m because they felt you were leaving, I guess yeah,

593
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: or maybe they could hear us better because we got

594
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: up a little bit higher. I do not know, but

595
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: it that's sure change their tune coincidence to you know,

596
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: absolutely decide to come sometimes I don't know. I like

597
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: I like to change angles on them when they're when

598
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: they're doing that, if possible. Well, after you left me

599
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: in around Miszool last week, I listened to some birds

600
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: gobble for an hour are over on private and I

601
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna suck him over, so I just walked away.

602
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: At that point, you can't swing around on him. But

603
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: had they been doing the same thing, I was able

604
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: to go over there. I would have just you know,

605
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: come at him from degrees the other direction, you know,

606
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: try to get in front of him. If whatever the

607
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: way they're moving, I think if you can, if you

608
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: if you determine to that bird is moving like you

609
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: just out cruising, which still due man, it was like

610
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: late morning mill of the day they moved one. You

611
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: think that you get all excited because he's traveling around Goblin.

612
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: So we're like, well, this bird is good as debt

613
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: because he's obviously out looking for hands, you know. But

614
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: it's like he's he is, but he's doing something different

615
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: to which I'll never fully understand. But that does not

616
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: necessarily mean he's going to come in. But sometimes if

617
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: you can get ahead of him, it can change. We

618
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: called him one this year. This thing was just God

619
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: when God, when God, when God, when we were behind it.

620
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: Eventually it's slowed down and started messing around long enough

621
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: for us to pass him up. And then he came

622
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: right in when it was kind of more not following them,

623
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: chasing them, but came in, um Man. I don't know

624
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: different angles getting in their zone more. I think that

625
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: there's I've talked about this a bunch. I don't know

626
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: if it's true or not, but it feels true to me,

627
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: is that there's like, uh, there's a proximity where they

628
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: sort of can't they don't want to ignore you. You

629
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: know they're gonna do something, maybe you get maybe they're

630
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: gonna spook or not. But like you get into a

631
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: certain ring around them, they just perceived their area differently.

632
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: And I've had I can think of a few times

633
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: in my life where they're just gobbling and gobling and

634
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: you're calling their gobling gobling and nothing, and then you

635
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: somehow creep into some where it just can't ignore you.

636
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: And also and then they'll like pop over right because

637
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: you got so close they can't ignore you. Uh. Also

638
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: we this this just the other day. We just came

639
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: back the next day. Yep, I had a bird. It

640
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: was just seemed like unworkable. And came back the next

641
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: day and just kind of took what we learned from

642
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: the day before, walked away from him, could have stayed

643
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: out and ha asked him, walked away from him with

644
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: the plane like, let's come back in the morning. Came

645
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: back in the morning. Um, and it just was different.

646
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't different mood, so I'm different happening the next day,

647
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: like had him just totally in our area, hanging out,

648
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: got him. And the day before he was like the

649
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: impossible turkey, you know, like the one like nightmares are

650
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: made up right, It's just like But then the next morning,

651
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, he's like read it roll I like uh,

652
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: I like uh making noises that turkeys would make other

653
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: than calling, like scratching the duff, making it sound like

654
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: there's turkeys there, you know, because like you hear turkeys

655
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: in the woods walking around and doing ship without them

656
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: making a sound, so like make it sound like a turkey.

657
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: They made a lot of scratching noise and weird little sounds.

658
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: Vocal weird little vocalizations. Yeah, so that like the back

659
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: can fourth. That can get pretty exhausting. Like I call,

660
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: then you call, are you called? And I call. I

661
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: had two birds this weekend where this was going on

662
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: and on and on. It was in the evening, and

663
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: I was getting pretty paranoid that they were just gonna

664
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: turn and head for their roost wherever that was because

665
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: I hadn't found it, um And this was taken a

666
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: long time, And eventually they gobbled again and I just

667
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: hit him like three times in a row with a

668
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: yelpylp yelp, yelpylp, yelpilp yelp, And all of a sudden,

669
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: they were right in the spot where I couldn't shoot them,

670
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: but like three yards away. The Tom's totally strutted up

671
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, ninety degrees over my left shoulder. Yeah,

672
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: try changing your calls, up, your call sequence up, give

673
00:41:52,200 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: them something different. I'm also developing this theory about turkeys.

674
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: I've been developing it for a while. It's not fully developed,

675
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: um is. I think there's something going on where you

676
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: got like if you imagine a turkey, you picture that

677
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: all he's thinking about is sowing his seed. What she's

678
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: thinking about and that he views everything is being a

679
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: prelude to him sowing his seed. But I don't know

680
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: however they're wired. I'm starting to feel that turkeys find

681
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: some value, they get some satisfaction out of just studying

682
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: and gobbling, like that is to them an okay way

683
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: to spend a day. Do you know what I mean? Like,

684
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: I don't think like when you when you get a

685
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: turkey and he comes in and he's seventy five yards

686
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: away and he's just gobling and having a hell of

687
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: a time a goblin and strutting and he doesn't come in,

688
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: you won't be like, oh I messed it up. Oh

689
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: I spooked him out of six times, Like he doesn't

690
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: know what happened. He's just like just doing his thing

691
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: that he to him, that was a totally normal interaction.

692
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: He gobbled a bunch, he strutted all around, he like

693
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: did his thing, and the hen never came. Yeah, he

694
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 1: walked off and it was like he's like he walked

695
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: off happy, and it's like it's not like you blew

696
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: because then you want to be like, oh I blew it,

697
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: shut this and should that. But the turkey is probably

698
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: that was great. That's my mental conversation every time. It's like,

699
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: oh I got too close. Oh I give this too far.

700
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: If I'd only called that one more like after I

701
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: called made him gobble like eighty five times. If I'd

702
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: only called that one more time, he would have come in.

703
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's like no, in his mind, he was

704
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: a great morning. He there's a there's a hand over

705
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: there by God, like I buy it. I just didn't

706
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: go over there. I'd throw another tip out there that

707
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: the purest won't like the purest callers, he can always

708
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: try sneaking in and bush whacking them too. That's how

709
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: That's how sound happened me the other day. But I

710
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: mean that's how I killed my first couple of turkeys.

711
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: And I had no confidence in raise your hand. If

712
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: you didn't kill your first turkey by bushwhacking, no hands

713
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 1: are Oh. That was our strategy and it still works.

714
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: Busha him especially, spot and stock him. Yeah, binoculars and

715
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: be like, dude, the minute he goes down that ditch,

716
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: run totally man. And we had a lot of success

717
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: like that. It's not nearly as fun their day. This

718
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: kind of weird thing to happened where the other day

719
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: I wound up, We got set up in the morning,

720
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: and I wound up having a turkey. I'm not joking

721
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: because I range found it like I wound up with

722
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: a turkey closer to me in a tree than my

723
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: decoy straight up above the basis, neck sticking out, and

724
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: I was like you, I didn't. I didn't. If I'd

725
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: been there with my kid, I you probably would have

726
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 1: been able to talking me into it. But I didn't

727
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: shoot them down out of the tree. But legal to

728
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: do it here. My understanding is, I don't know my

729
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: kid would have been putting an enormous amount of pressure

730
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: on you know, you shoot squirrels out of tree, Get

731
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: that bird out of that tree. I didn't do it.

732
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: Someone else grab one. Are broken socks considered better or

733
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: worse than the traditional flip flop. I'm not recommending burken stocks,

734
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: but it'll be better than a traditional flip flop for sure.

735
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: For if like a hunting sort of application, Oh yeah,

736
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. If I had to hunt my regular flippies,

737
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: or I could wear burks, which I don't own, I'd

738
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: go burks like the hip time with the corks flip

739
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: flops aren't very quiet because of the flip and the flop,

740
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: and Burks are not going to expect the gun. They

741
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: through the woods and they're gonna be like, is he

742
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: gonna do? I don't recommend hunting either of them, but

743
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: know what he's saying, if if you have to go

744
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: with the Burkes. Uh, why do Red rock Crab get

745
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: such a bad rap compared to Dungeoness Crab? You know,

746
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Our kids were picking

747
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: them up left and right last summer. Remember, I don't

748
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: know that the yield is less, the shells are harder

749
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: to crack and pick um, but that they're perfectly great.

750
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: I was at that Willows Restaurant, which is like this

751
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: world famous restaurant on Lummy Island and Puget Sound, um,

752
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: and they get all their stuff from around there, you know,

753
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: and they make this crazy stuff. It's really good. You

754
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: kind of got to go there and spend the night

755
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: and eat there, and it takes all damn night to

756
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: eat there. He does a lot of stuff, the Rock Crab, Yeah,

757
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: I love them. When we were grabbing and Jesse Griffithshore

758
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: likes him. Remember that we're of stones are rocks stones,

759
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: that's a way different crab. Or did we get some

760
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: rocks with Jesse? Are you talking about Jesse? Are you

761
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: talking about Jesseffs? We're trying to get stones because he

762
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: he did red rock. But with Jesse we were we

763
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: got stones, we were after stones, but no, we're after blues.

764
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: To the one you can just keep the claws yelled up.

765
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 1: I think they're great. I think that. Um. There's also

766
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: thing that happens where people have notions that they picked

767
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: up from people that had notions, and they picked up

768
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: those notions from people that had notions and none of

769
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: the notions matter. It's sort of like how antelope don't

770
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 1: taste good? How muled you're not as good as white tail?

771
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no no no. We've just

772
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: dumb stuff people say, like trafficking and dump stuff. I

773
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: like stuff you don't. I mean, you don't even have

774
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: to trap those things. You just wait around and grab

775
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: them grab. There is something to be said for an

776
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: easy to pick crab. Though. Here's a great question, what

777
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the notion of Pleistocene rewilding. I

778
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: think it is a complete waste of time. It's fun

779
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 1: to think about I'm not interested Plistocene rewilding. Uh, free

780
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: folks at home, is that you would um either re

781
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: You would either through genetic wizardry, um bring back right

782
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 1: like clone from whatever ship melting out of the perma frost.

783
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: That you would clone extinct ice age mammals from the

784
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: Plistocene um fauna and and cut them back loose. And

785
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: some people are like, oh the hell with that. What

786
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: you do is you just go get the closest approximation

787
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: it's still running around and cut that loose. So with

788
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: that thinking, you'd say, like, man is are gone, but

789
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: let's go get some African elephants and cut those loose

790
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: on the Great Plains. And they used to have horses

791
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: here during the plies of scenes, So we'll go get

792
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: horses from Siberia or Mongolian, cut those loose and on

793
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: down the line, and you put all the jump back

794
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: to make it look like it looked a long time ago. Uh.

795
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: I think it's a distraction. You have fun distractions. Fun distraction.

796
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: I think that we should spend our efforts. Uh. If

797
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: if you're gonna make the goal, it comes down to

798
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna make the goal, like the goal

799
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: is to look like X. I just don't think you

800
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: need to go back thirteen thousand years and have that

801
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: be the goal. Yeah, I mean so of a huge

802
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: argument for this rewilding right is to limit the amount

803
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: of greenhouse gases that are being released out of the

804
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: perma frost. And that's because you're in a lot of

805
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: these areas you have this in approachment of trees, willows

806
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: brush that um was not there when all this place

807
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: to scene fauna was out there, because they actively deforested

808
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: the area. So like bison, wooly mammoth, the horses, uh,

809
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: the different bovine species, they would be hell on trees

810
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: just like you see, if you have any of those

811
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: animals in your area, or the current approximations of them,

812
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: they'd rub up on trees and they kill trees like

813
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: elephants and drafts and whatnot. You know, elk and elk

814
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: or hell on small trees too, and they do it

815
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: to a certain degree. Um. Anyway, you expose that ground

816
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: and it gets a deeper frost, and that's what's keeping

817
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: the the perma frost. Yeah, I've read that. I've read

818
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: that argument for for rewilding the tundra, for rewilding. Then

819
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: there was a movement to rewild the Great Plains, and

820
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: that's just for for funzies, just people have Yeah, probably

821
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: they had like little summits about it, little conventions, and

822
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: it was that you'd bring in like woll the American

823
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: lion has gone, so we'll get an African lion. The

824
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: wooly rhino has gone. We'll just get a regular rhino,

825
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: maybe a zebra, I don't know now, and just started

826
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: calling stuff loose. So it looked like you did a

827
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: long time ago. It's beyond fancy, Like these people the

828
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: right whole damn books about this rewilding. Yeah, but I

829
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: guess that I'm all into rewilding. I don't know they

830
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: need to rewild till like a time we didn't understand.

831
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: I think you just like in my mind, like if

832
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna be like, what's the benchmark, Like the benchmark

833
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: would be in my mind, the time of European contact. Yeah,

834
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: I guess if there was a purpose though, like a

835
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: contemporary example at as Anthony Lacotta and I are hiking

836
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: on this region Sonora, and as you guys know, and

837
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: for those who don't like there's cactus and big things

838
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: with needles and nettles and really thick brush everywhere. Um,

839
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: but it's pretty darn open on this ridge because and

840
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: there's cow crap everywhere, like domestic cattle crap everywhere. And

841
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: Lakada says, he's like, man, I'd love to see this

842
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: place without the cattle and see what would be like

843
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: so you'd be back to But I was like, man,

844
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: looking at this place, I would almost guarantee you there's

845
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: no possible way we could walk on this ridge of

846
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: line if there were no cattle, because those cattle are

847
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: the reason that this area is opening up, opened up

848
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: enough for us to cruise through here. And it's probably

849
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: to a degree, you know, letting in enough sunlight to

850
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: grow grass and stuff like that. And if you went

851
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: back to the mid hundreds or whatever to be as

852
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: far back as you have to go to get pre cattle,

853
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: because you know, the cattle ban running there since since

854
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: the fift hundreds, Um, there was probably a hell of

855
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: a lot more larger befores on the ground. Yeah, yeah,

856
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: I would. Yeah, I would think I'm kind of becoming

857
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: like the older I get, the more I'm becoming kind

858
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: of like a cattle apologist. Man. I found myself being

859
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: a cattle apologist. The other day, it was driving down

860
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: the road in front of my man the sure destroyed

861
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: the river banks, and I was just thinking, maybe, yeah,

862
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: but I mean we keep talking about I mean, I

863
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: know they did. They had like more of a rotational

864
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: and migrated and all that, but like buffalo around the

865
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: river banks, they pound it and then they'd be gone

866
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: for a year or whatever. But I just like, I

867
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: don't know that the whole I don't know that the

868
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: whole answer to solving all of our problems. If it

869
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: was just we just got rid of the cat, we

870
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: just have a whole bunch of more houses. Yeah, well,

871
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, good, well grazed ground. You know it

872
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: was great for a ton of different bird species. You

873
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: gotta have those different heights of grass for um invertebrate life,

874
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: which is important for the poults. Then, you know, we

875
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: just like to think of things so in such a

876
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: binary way. Exactly. Well, it's with cattle or without you,

877
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: with guy or without guy, because you go to places

878
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: that are just new to you go a place that

879
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: they are way over grazed. Um. Yeah, it can be

880
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: like there's like people who make mistakes or bad actors.

881
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: But there's also people who you know, run cattle like

882
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: very responsibly and and and it's not is some people

883
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: would let you believe that. It's just like if it

884
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: was only we can only get rid of cattle, it

885
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: would be like the earth would blossom. You know. I

886
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit too simplistic. I agree. Ah.

887
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: I remember being out with a guy one time. He

888
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: used to do uh, he used to do He used

889
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: to run lease programs from BLM. And we're up in

890
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: a elk Meadal and he was saying, if if I

891
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: got called up here and cattle had done what these

892
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: helk done, Because if I got called up here in

893
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: cattle done this, I'd had to have a talk with

894
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: this guy. It's like that bombed out that bombed out

895
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: by must have been a good spot. It was just

896
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: spot ready going in calf, you know, and it's hundreds

897
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: of them hanging out in there, just yeah pawed up.

898
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: And you know he was, I mean, he's making a joke,

899
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: but you get you get the point of the joke. Yeah,

900
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: Where I don't get where it is extremely bad. It's

901
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: like right now it's going on in South America where

902
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: they're just chopping large chunks of the rainforest to make

903
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: land for cattle to graze on. That's problematic in a

904
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: whole bunch of levels. But yeah, I mean that's the

905
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: thing though, Right, It's like, do you want cattle? You

906
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: don't want cattle? Well, I want well managed cattle. Is

907
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 1: that an option? Nope, it's not an option. It's all none.

908
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of a move point because there's no world

909
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: in which we're not going to have cattle, right, So

910
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's like, like, well, let's go back. Can

911
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: you imagine this place before? Man, It's like nope, and

912
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: nobody else can, like didn't didn't exist for our Okay,

913
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: who's gonna grab the next question? I want to hear

914
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: your guys thoughts on the how safe is it to

915
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: eat raccoons? I I highlighted that one, and not because

916
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: I know how safe it is to eat raccoons, but

917
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: I was talking a little bit with Clay Nukem about it,

918
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: and uh, He's explained to me that there are like

919
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: if you're worried about I think a lot of people

920
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 1: are scared of raccoons and eating raccoons because they show

921
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: shape them with dumpster diving, where raccoon in the wild

922
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: is not really the dumpster diver that say, he's not

923
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: a scavenger for the most part. Who cares if he is? Well,

924
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: I think that scavengers tend to taste worse because they're

925
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: eating rotten meat. You know. Yeah, well, like for instance,

926
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: for him, buddy mine on his wall has this huge

927
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: pig skull and he's a California guy and he's like that,

928
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, that's a big pig skull. Where

929
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: did you get that? Thinking it'd be like Texas or something.

930
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: It's got a big tuss. He's like, that's a California pig.

931
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: He's like, that's the biggest California pig I've ever ever gotten.

932
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: And uh I was like, oh, yeah, what's the story

933
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: on that. It's like, well, uh, not much. I came

934
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: around the corner, it was head down feeding, jumped out

935
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: shot it went up there, and it was faced down

936
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: in a pile of dirty diapers. And he did not

937
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: eat that pig. Yeah like that okay, that kind of

938
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: dumpster diving shirt. Uh yeah, I've at raccoon. I don't know.

939
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: It's just like it's like a we just cooked it

940
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: every which way. Imaginable. Um, I think the only legitimate

941
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: health concern would be I think that they not thinking

942
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: they'd be tricking noses carriers. What about rabies? They are

943
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: known can get rabies from meat in the meat, if

944
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: you cook it. Yeah, I think that's a lot of

945
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: people's worried though. I think a lot of people associate

946
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: raccoons with rabies. You want to let me tell you something.

947
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: Check this out in our book we're doing um our

948
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: wilderness skills, Our wilderness Skills and survival book that we're doing. Yeah,

949
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: me and Brody writer's cramp? Do I have writer's cramp?

950
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: Dude hammering? Hammering? Anyways, check this out. This is in

951
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: our book. Se of the rabies cases in this country

952
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: come from what critter? Domestic cats, skunks, rats that globally

953
00:58:53,400 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: guess what percent? Guess what percent comes from dogs globally? Oh, globally,

954
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: way over of rabies cases are attributed to domestic dogs

955
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: in the US, because we treat the ship out of dogs, bats, raccoons, foxes,

956
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: and offer high up. The CDC is saying that, um,

957
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: you can't get it from non bite exposures like scratches, abrasions,

958
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: are open wounds that are exposed to salive or or

959
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: other potentially infectious material from a rabid animal. Other types

960
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: of context, such is petting um coming in contact with

961
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: blood urine her feces of a rabid animal are not

962
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: associated with risk for infection. So I think that eating

963
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: the meat would fall under the ladder. Yeah, because it's bacteria,

964
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna cook it. Virus But yeah, I'm sorry, you're

965
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: gonna cook it. Yeah, Um, yes, they don't go messed

966
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: around in the raccoon's mouth. Yeah, so you got the

967
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: chance tricking else has got the chance of getting rabies

968
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: from handling raccoons. But once you cook him, I think

969
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: you're fine. But when we cooked to make it good,

970
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: we did it every which way. We had Bo Jackson

971
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: on this show, like the athlete, famous athlete. He talks

972
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: about he's got he's got good record raccoon recipes. Clay

973
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: knucom spelled Newcomb but pronounced nukemb um Clay nukelem. How's

974
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: how's Clay cook him? Uh? You know, I don't think

975
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: he's done. He's eating it too much. I think he

976
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: was telling us that for the first time. Another fellow

977
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: that he's been hanging with came over and made some

978
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: uh you like this street tacos out of that raccoon

979
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: d tacos for him and uh he said it was delicious.

980
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: So I think some sort of a bras ing. Yeah,

981
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's probably similar to black bear, I'm sure man.

982
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: When we when we had it, we braised it. I

983
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: think we braised it then grilled. It's braised to get

984
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: it tender. When I get my first coun I'm definitely

985
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: eating that thing. Oh yeah. And the old day is

986
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: like an old book. It's people are eyes soaking it

987
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: in vinegar and then cooking it. It's like in the

988
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: old days you take your dog out for raccoons. Is

989
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: that where you're you're fixing on? Maybe I need to

990
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: start getting them after something. There are quite if I've

991
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: been seeing a lot of raccoons on this streets dead

992
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: around here lately. I've I've seen that too. I know

993
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: it's a yeah yeah yeah, but no, I was gonna

994
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: go down and chase them with clay and newcom Arkansas.

995
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: Very cool. Next, get ready for the next. One. Best

996
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: way to cook small mouth bass. I think the best

997
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: way to cook smallmouth bass is to make a sandwich

998
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: out of it. A fish sandwich, like how they make

999
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: down floor it everywhere you take the fish, you flay

1000
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: the fish, get the flayoff, skin the flay, and then

1001
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: you do John Gary's signature zipper pinbone removal technique, which

1002
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: I think we talked about one of our books. I

1003
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: can't really explain it. Over there, picture you got a

1004
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: small mouth of flay land there. It's skinned, but skin

1005
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: side up, so what would be the skin side up?

1006
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: And you feel in the middle of the flay running

1007
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: like laterally you'll feel that little line of pinbones running

1008
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: down there. You get to the end of that little

1009
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: so you move from the front part of the flay

1010
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: towards the tail and you feel that little line of

1011
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: pin bones ends. Then you caught a little V through

1012
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: the flay right at that point, and then you grab

1013
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: it like you're opening a zipper, and that little that

1014
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: little V tab is your zipper pole and you grab that.

1015
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: You see me do this, yeh, because it works on

1016
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: rock fish too. You grab that and pull it like

1017
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: you're opening the zipper, and all those pinbones come out connected.

1018
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: Then it's the perfect sandwich size. You get a hoggie

1019
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: roll that's like the exact same size as your small mouth,

1020
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: and you bread and fry that flay and you put

1021
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: it on your hoggie roll with um pickles, onion, lettuce.

1022
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: Saracha is am I saying that right? Yeah, saracha sounds great.

1023
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: We used to not do that. We used to put

1024
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: mayo and stuff on it, but then I got it

1025
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: to putting the sarach on it. Man's a good sandwich.

1026
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: We we had it. We Matt Elliott, who you know,

1027
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: competitive uh bass fisherman? What do you call it when

1028
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: you call him? Not quite pro amateur competitive bass angler?

1029
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: Like small mouth specialist, And we went small mouth fishing,

1030
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: and that's some much should never eat in a small mouth.

1031
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: We made him a sandwich. He enjoyed it. He said

1032
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: he didn't want his wife to eat one of those

1033
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: sandwiches because she would wonder what he'd been doing all

1034
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: that time, letting all those small mouths go. Another term

1035
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: that you love on the half shell. No, I like

1036
01:03:54,520 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: him because all I'm doing is not I'm just de

1037
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: scaling the filet. So you take take your filet, throw

1038
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: that thing. I put a little salt on there and

1039
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: just put it on indirect heat on the barbecue and

1040
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: in a about six minutes. You can grab that thing

1041
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: and hook your thumbnail into the flat, into the skin, sorry,

1042
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: into the skin, and give it a shake, and that

1043
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: whole side of meat will just slide right off the skin,

1044
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: right onto your plate, and it is beautiful and delicious.

1045
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: My childhood fishing mentor would cook large mouth bass flays

1046
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 1: that way. I've eaten one large mouth. He would soak.

1047
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: He'd take the skin off, solk it and milk. Not nice. Sorry,

1048
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: leave the skin on, take the flay off, leave the

1049
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 1: skin on, soak it in the bath of milk, which

1050
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: is a big thing where I grew up putting stuff

1051
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: in milk all the time. Then grill it. Yeah, what

1052
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: is I know There's been articles and stuff written, but

1053
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: I've never dunked anything. I feel I don't. It's like

1054
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: it's hard to explain. This is supposed to like pull

1055
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: blood out of that. I feel that it did. It

1056
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: diminishes if you gotta fish. It has like a muddy,

1057
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: weedy kind of taste. I'd hate to go up in

1058
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: front of like a scientific committee on this or something,

1059
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: or like clastify the Congress about it, but I feel

1060
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: that it takes the muddy weedingness away. From stuff there.

1061
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: I just said it. I feel as though that's true,

1062
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: and what I feel is all that matters. If I

1063
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: feel that it's true, it must be. I'm sure it

1064
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: helps when you're like, well, I just committed a half

1065
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: gallon of milk to this, so something's gonna happen. Okay,

1066
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: here's a great question. No one's gonna know the answer

1067
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: to this, but we can speculate on it. Can you

1068
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: trap Burmese pythons with three three kind of bears? I'm

1069
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: not on this one. Uh yeah, I think that you'd

1070
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: run into a lot of problems of to use. Okay,

1071
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: in setting three thirty conno bears, you are needing to channel.

1072
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: You're either needing to like read sign real good, so

1073
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: you know right where that animal you're trying to catch

1074
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: is going. The thing most commonly caught with three thirties,

1075
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: using for wolverines and whatnot, but mostly people catch beavers

1076
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: with three thirties, and beavers really tell you where they

1077
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: want to go by the sign they leave. They dig canals,

1078
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: they have runs, they have entrance ways into their lodges,

1079
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: all these ways in which you can look and be like, man,

1080
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: the beaver's gonna go here for sure, and you set

1081
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: the three three there and low and behold he passes

1082
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: through there and you got them. I don't know how

1083
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: you would channel or funnel a python live bait, put

1084
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: a little rabbit or a mouse inside a cage, and

1085
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: or maybe get some pheromone, because you know those males

1086
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,439
Speaker 1: are hunting the females. You're not gonna catch him behind

1087
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: the behind the ears. That's the other thing is you

1088
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: might It might just it might just not be. It's

1089
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: gotta I think it's got to be the right side python.

1090
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot would go right through a

1091
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: three if you had so when you're setting a three thirty,

1092
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: a lot of guys want to set you said it

1093
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: so that the triggers around the bottom facing up, not

1094
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: up facing down. But if there's any kind of current

1095
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: or whatever now and then you gotta put it triggers

1096
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: facing down because the current trip it. But all all

1097
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: things equal, people like to put the triggers on the

1098
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: bottom so that then it don't mess the hair up

1099
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 1: when the when the trigger components are against its back

1100
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: after it gets sprung. I think with a python, you

1101
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: don't want to do like you want to position the triggers,

1102
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: like you're doing an otter proof set where the triggers

1103
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: are bent low so anything can pass through triggers on

1104
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: the bottom. So he just crawls over and snacks it.

1105
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: But I feel like, man, I don't know if you

1106
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: hold onto him, I don't know, he might just sliver

1107
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: around out of there. I don't know. I think you'd

1108
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: hold onto him, and just I don't know if I

1109
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 1: wonder if he'd probably still be alive when you got there. Yes, absolutely.

1110
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: And the problem is you miss a set on a

1111
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: python that while the old bugger you'll never catching again,

1112
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: you'll get traps, trap shot, trap shot on you. Besides

1113
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: boots and optics. What is the one thing not to

1114
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: cheap out on for a Western hunt pack? Mm hmm, okay, yep,

1115
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: Well I thought about that earlier when I read read

1116
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: the question, because I was thinking, Man, if you do

1117
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: get something down, you don't get something down if you're

1118
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: actually going and packing in, if you're gonna do like

1119
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 1: say you're gonna carry more than thirty forty pounds, you

1120
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: can pack in overnight. Boy, an ill fitting pack is

1121
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: can really make ship out of your time out there.

1122
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: You don't jumped at me when I saw it. What

1123
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: I got to thinking about, um, sleeping bags that too,

1124
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: was a lot of people always getting all cold, man,

1125
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: sure cold, and then to show up with a ten

1126
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,799
Speaker 1: pound bag, which you know, out of your forty pounds,

1127
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: boy you are, it's a quarter of your weight. People

1128
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: getting cold and people have an enormous bags. What you

1129
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: get when you spend money on a good bag is

1130
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: you want a good, super puffy bag that's lightweight and

1131
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: scrunches up. And that takes money. I don't I don't

1132
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: know enough about sleeping bag manufacturing to understand why. But

1133
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: that takes money. That takes a lot of money. You

1134
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: can make a big, giant bag that doesn't poof up

1135
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: and it's warm. You make a real cold little bag

1136
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: that does poof up this warm, but a big but

1137
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: a warm bag that puckers up blows up like a

1138
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: damn balloon, costs a lot of money. Yeah, I explain

1139
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: to you, if you please. I love to explain the

1140
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: other thing to me. And I finally sunk in Yeah

1141
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: in another year, so you'll understand sleep high and sleeping bags. Um,

1142
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: what makes them light and small and expensive is that

1143
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: the quality of the down the higher the quality is

1144
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: going to cost more on what you get in. The

1145
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: higher quality is that what actually keeps you warm and

1146
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: down is it's loft, which basically makes an insulating layer

1147
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: around your body. Right. Well, the higher the quality of

1148
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: the down, the less it takes to make that insulating layer.

1149
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: So you can weigh it and have a half a

1150
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:33,440
Speaker 1: pound of bad down in in uh in one container,

1151
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: and then a half pound of good down another container,

1152
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: and that good down will be however much better it is,

1153
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: it will be three or four times as fluffy, so

1154
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 1: thus creating more loft and more of an insulating layer.

1155
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: Are you tracking now? Also, you need to have a

1156
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: lightweight outer material because if your material is too heavy

1157
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: on lightweight down, it could actually crush it and crush

1158
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: that insulating you know, could that you're trying to make

1159
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: around you. So you gotta have some lightweight material that

1160
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: is also um tough. It's lightweight and not tough, and

1161
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a big hole in your down bag

1162
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: and down it's gonna be everywhere, and that doesn't make

1163
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: for a good insulating layer. We're uh. That was a

1164
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: great explanation. Where how did you where did you get

1165
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: trained up on talking sleeping bags, no time against sports

1166
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: and Edwards Colorado. Right when I worked retail, when you

1167
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: were a salesman sold some sleeping bags, that was a

1168
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 1: great description. I feel like that down a nice down

1169
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: sleeping bag. Two needs to be paired with a nice

1170
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: insulated pad sleeping pad because you can press that down

1171
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: on your back. You gotta have a good pad. You

1172
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: gotta have a good our value pad. But is that

1173
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: like absolutely? I mean, this person wants a need, like

1174
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: what is the the next thing? What is the I

1175
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: don't know why he why it has be the one thing,

1176
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: but it's like, what is the one thing? And I

1177
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: don't want to hijack the whole conversation to have be

1178
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: sleeping bags. But I want to point one more thing

1179
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: out about sleeping bags because I keep seeing people making

1180
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: this mistake. The ratings like sleeping bags come with a

1181
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: rating about temperature ratings, and I'm not sure there's a

1182
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 1: competing rating systems, but a lot of these rating systems

1183
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: are not comfort. They give it like a survival rating,

1184
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: meaning if it's zero degrees, you won't die, but you're

1185
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: gonna lay there all night freezing your hand. So I

1186
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: think now on the tags they've actually started doing like

1187
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: three different sort of like settings like that, explaining it

1188
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: be like you can survive down to this temp. Most

1189
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: people will be comfortable at this temp and you'll be

1190
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 1: great at this temper. That's that's helpful. Yeah, I man, I,

1191
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: I mean we live in the far North, we're in

1192
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: the northern tier state, but travel or damn place. Uh.

1193
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: If I was gonna buy a bag and just have

1194
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: it be my bag, I would It'd be hard to

1195
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: talk me out of not getting a zero or like

1196
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: a ten degree egg. Just versatile, absolutely, And if you

1197
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,879
Speaker 1: buy a real good one and it pooches up anyways,

1198
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: suckers up, pooches up what I trying to say, it

1199
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: compresses well, Uh, it's just you just kind of don't

1200
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: zip it or do zip it. But just like if

1201
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna have one bag land around, I would get

1202
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: a way way colder bags. And you think you need, okay,

1203
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: other stuff, you can't, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta

1204
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: go full on about something you can't. You can't you

1205
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 1: can't what's the word that he uses here. You can't

1206
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: cheap out one thing. You can't cheap out on. It's

1207
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: not counting what is shooting iron. What does he not

1208
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: want to cheap boots and Vinos, sleeping bag boots, Vinos.

1209
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: The clothing, Yeah, define cheap out. Well. Like when I

1210
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: first started hunting out West, I was wearing like car

1211
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 1: heart pants and ship like that, and I got by.

1212
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: But man, when you got wet, it sucked just walking

1213
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: around and sucked. You know, it takes all the hair

1214
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 1: off your legs. It's heavy, you know. And plenty of

1215
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: people still hunting jeans and you know, yeah, whatever jacket

1216
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: they can grab. But it's great till you get soaked.

1217
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 1: Got it once you once you start using good clothes,

1218
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: it's like you could never go back. It's hard to

1219
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: go back lightweight clothes. Yeah, so much of this stuff. Man,

1220
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: when you make the jump that you thought you would

1221
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: never make, I never. I don't need that you finally do.

1222
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: You're like, I am an idiot. I'm not gonna tell anybody,

1223
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: but I cannot believe I didn't do this ten years ago. Yeah.

1224
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: I remember when I gave up on gas station coffee,

1225
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: the same thing. Man. After a while, I was like, man,

1226
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done that, because now it's hard to

1227
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: go back to gas station coffee yes, sir, like hot

1228
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: coffee flavored. It's like, yeah, that's the only problem with

1229
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: this is probably not bad coffee. They just don't put

1230
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: enough grounds and don't put enough in there. So yeah,

1231
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 1: I'm burns your lips and it just tastes like hot water.

1232
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna go sleeping bag as well. Um,

1233
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: but no, that you're just going down a path and

1234
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 1: this is not the last thing you need. Eventually, he

1235
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: will cross across the rubicon and yet another purchase that

1236
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: you didn't think you'd need. Yeah, because good stuff is fun.

1237
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: People are always like, oh, so you're saying you need

1238
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: to this and that and this and that and this

1239
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: and that to go do that. I'm like, no, it's nice.

1240
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: Helps it makes me enjoy my time out there. Yeah,

1241
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: you spend more time hunting, you know. I mean, there's

1242
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: plenty of dude still plowing Alaska in blue jeans, but man,

1243
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: there's been a lot more time drying out in front

1244
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: of a campfire to where you know you don't have

1245
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: to do that if you've got the right gear. I

1246
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,600
Speaker 1: got a little pour over coffee thing that's foldable and

1247
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: it clips on your cup and it's just a wash

1248
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: out filter, you know what, it are stupid And man,

1249
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: I was like this is stupid. And Garrett Smith has

1250
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: one and he's like, oh, you gotta get one of these,

1251
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: cow I gotta get one of these. And I was

1252
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: like rolling over in the truck four am, fire up

1253
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,879
Speaker 1: the stove, a little poor over coffee, reaching the cooler,

1254
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: grabs from half and half. It's just a nice way

1255
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: to start a turkey hunt. But here's the thing. Once

1256
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: it's cold out, when it's like sub freezing and you've

1257
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: taken all that coffee water and let it drip, let

1258
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: it fall dripped by drip through the air, you just

1259
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: got yourself a cold that's a cup of coffee. We

1260
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: got onto some of those things that started messing around

1261
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 1: with them, and it was bad weather to do it in.

1262
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: But it was like it was like there was no

1263
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: way to have a hot cup of coffee unless you

1264
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: reheated it with just a standard like a poor over.

1265
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: We had these little envelopes. There's these little envelopes of

1266
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: like camp drip and it came in a little like

1267
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: disposable deely smack and you poured into go and you

1268
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: just watch those drips. They just like they shed their heat.

1269
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 1: We uh like if I used the poor Over and

1270
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 1: Instant both, but I'm like, Okay, the weekend, it's gonna

1271
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:41,759
Speaker 1: be like this temperature in the morning. Like I'm bringing

1272
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: Instant this bag and drip over. It's like, oh, it's

1273
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: gonna be warm. I'll go with the poor Over when

1274
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: you pick, when you go into your pantry and you're

1275
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 1: packing your coffee, you go and have check weather dot

1276
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: com to find out what coffee to bring anywhere. Yeah,

1277
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 1: we checked the other anyway. Yeah, we have been like, oh,

1278
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's going to be too cold for poor

1279
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: Over And it's just like the standard little black V

1280
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: that sits on top of the cup with the filter

1281
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: in it and you put some grounds in it. That

1282
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 1: gets your coffee too cold if it's oh yeah, because

1283
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: falling through the air and being exposed. I just kind

1284
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 1: of but I'm telling you an objective reality, man, But

1285
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: I I just feel like I've had different experiences. Ours

1286
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: just drips a lot faster. I guess, weren't you with me?

1287
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: Well maybe, but I don't know. Yours might be a

1288
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: different system. But we just have like a standard V. Yeah,

1289
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: I just have the standard V that sits right on

1290
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 1: top of the yet like you buy it on the

1291
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: water through there and you don't have a cup of

1292
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: this was made. This was like made, and I know

1293
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: yours just something different. I understanding your sucks and doesn't work.

1294
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying that mine might work. Still maybe not a

1295
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: zero I think it would work at twenty ed tumbler.

1296
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: Yeahs don't cheap out on how you make coffee, I guess,

1297
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: or does quit drinking coffee. You don't have to worry

1298
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: about it. Call just texted me a nice grip and

1299
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: grim of turkey. Thanks l What what what turkey is that?

1300
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? It's got a Miriam's tail

1301
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: fan Okay, So on one side of the road, I

1302
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: shot this bird this morning, white white tail. Yeah. Mirriams

1303
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 1: have a lot of areas, and then on the other

1304
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: side of the road it's like chocolate brown. I don't

1305
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 1: think it's the road doing that. I don't think. I think,

1306
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,560
Speaker 1: especially in Montana, where there's been a lot of um

1307
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: bucket biology with turkeys going on, there's probably a lot

1308
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 1: of hybridization. I think that. Sure. True, Miriam's are a

1309
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: little bit wider, you know, snow white tipped, But um,

1310
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean hack where we hunted in Nebraska. I've got

1311
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: all kinds of grips of guys with shooting out of

1312
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: the same flock, calling in three four dollars and everybody

1313
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 1: you know cracks one and there's four dudes lined up

1314
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 1: and every fan looks different. Okay, calm this picture. I

1315
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: know you're shooting at uh that venom, that vortex red dot.

1316
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 1: Yes you like that thing? I am. Yeah, I do,

1317
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: I do, I do. Just once you start, you'll never

1318
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 1: go back. I haven't, you know, I think about I

1319
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: keep thinking about doing it, but I haven't done. It

1320
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: slows I first. I was like, it's gonna slow me

1321
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: down a little bit, and maybe it has, but um

1322
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: I feel like speed yet. Ye man, I really really

1323
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 1: liked it. I go, I gotta tweak my mounts a

1324
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 1: little bit. But I picked you one up to you

1325
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: think about making the jump. What I did is I

1326
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: took that eighteen nine though and took a few inches out,

1327
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: took a few inches off, and put an iron sight

1328
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: on there. You know I'm going to see that customization customized,

1329
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 1: sawed it off nice and short. Yeah, man, oh, here's

1330
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: a good one. How come you don't bleed your game

1331
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: out after a kill because a bad shot and stressed

1332
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 1: the animal out and make it taste bad. Tell me

1333
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 1: that's two questions, correct, it is how come you don't?

1334
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: Let's start with how come you don't bleed your game

1335
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 1: out after a kill? Because the bullet bleeds it up.

1336
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: If all goes well your shot, if it's like the

1337
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: next shot and it's still alive, I would go do it,

1338
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:51,759
Speaker 1: would yeah, because it hasn't bled and it's heart still pumping.

1339
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: But if it's if you go up there and it's

1340
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 1: shot through the lungs, all the bloods out anyway, and

1341
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: it's heart's not pumping anymore. So if you made a

1342
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: high shoulder shot which most likely didn't clip the lungs,

1343
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: just you know, busted his spine and he's dead but

1344
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: still pumping, yea, and slice his neck. I mean, if

1345
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 1: I like remember to do it, I would do it

1346
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: for sure. I've never done it. Yeah, I've never done

1347
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 1: the next slice I like when an animal and open

1348
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: up means every drop blood that things ever gonna have

1349
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: laying inside the chest cavity, it's already bled. Yeah. Yeah,

1350
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that this question is related to

1351
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: shoot him in the head or something. Head shot guys bleed,

1352
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 1: But you gotta hustle. You gotta get there quick. Yeah,

1353
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: you gotta hustle like bleeding, Like you catch fish over

1354
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: the cool, let it die and cut its gill, nothing

1355
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: to push the blood out, yea ron late. Let's say

1356
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 1: remember that, you know from the documentary, man, as soon

1357
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 1: as he touches that trigger, he's just like sprinting towards

1358
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: He's a head shooter, unrepentant head shooter. Man. I'm reading

1359
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 1: a book right now about game Warden in Idaho and

1360
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,799
Speaker 1: he's undercover work hanging out with a bunch of poachers,

1361
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: and the way he describes it like it is an

1362
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: act of God that these poachers ever get caught, like

1363
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: just and it's just so simple too. It's just you know,

1364
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: twenty twos and to forty three's and two three small

1365
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: small calibery stuff all had shots and stuff just in

1366
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: its tracks in the brush, ten ft off road, busy

1367
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: like paved roads, stuff like like just slick, yeah, just fast.

1368
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: Wells Part two, Ynny does a bad shot stress the

1369
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: animal out and make it taste bad. I think so.

1370
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: I can't help I think so. And the reason I

1371
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: think so is because uh, I feel that I have

1372
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: a lot of like, um, what's it called like when

1373
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 1: you're aread, he tells you something, you know what I'm

1374
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: trying to say, second hand info? Yeah, anecdotal, but I

1375
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: have a lot of anecdotal thoughts, anecdotal evidence. But it's

1376
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 1: also it's a big thing in the meat cutting into

1377
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: It's like professional slaughters pay attention to this. They pay

1378
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: a ton of attention to stress. They're not whistling Dixie.

1379
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: I mean, they're like as their business and they're put

1380
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: an enormous amount of energy into reducing stress. But you

1381
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 1: know what my question is about that is that and

1382
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 1: I know they are doing that, but aren't they A

1383
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 1: lot of it just comes from like animal ethics there

1384
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 1: doesn't It comes there wanting not wanting what you call

1385
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: it red cutter. I'm sure there's an ethics component to

1386
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 1: it too, But remember that remember that that famous animal

1387
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 1: behaviorist Grant temp Temp Temple grand and Temple Granding. They

1388
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: brought her into work on all that like reducing stress

1389
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 1: and slaughterhouses and a lot of it. I mean, there's

1390
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: an ethics component to it, but a lot of it

1391
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: had to do with quality product, better products. Yeah, if

1392
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: it was just ethics, they wouldn't shock them after they

1393
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: bolted him in the head, right, Yeah, they didn't want

1394
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 1: them stressed because of I think it increases the chance

1395
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: of getting a red cutter, which is like a like

1396
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 1: a discarded or like greatly reduced piece of meat. But

1397
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: it's like a widely held thing that's always told that

1398
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: you're always told that it's true. And I have some

1399
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: cases where I think you could have a stressed out

1400
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,560
Speaker 1: am and have it be good just because like just

1401
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: just because there's always very ability and everything. But I've

1402
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: had enough situations where you've had stuff to be like

1403
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 1: extremely tough off tasting, and there's like and you're like, man,

1404
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: you know what, like there was something you know, and

1405
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: you look and you'd be like, yeah, you can't rule

1406
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: out there was like a not clean kill. Yeah, for sure.

1407
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: What's the best position to poop in the woods? That's

1408
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: a great question, he says, Squat leaning to get this

1409
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: multiple choice, squat lean against a tree, sit across two logs,

1410
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: sit across two logs, et cetera. Yeah, that would be

1411
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 1: like basically making you know, the toilet seat the trin

1412
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 1: you know what I ever thought to do is take

1413
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 1: two logs. This is a good idea. Take two logs

1414
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: running parallel, but sit parallel with those logs so there's

1415
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 1: a gap between them, so that the support wasn't running

1416
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: cross cheek, it was running with cheek, each cheek on

1417
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 1: its own support. My experience, the more yes, the more

1418
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: word trouble, you're gonna have. Oh, I don't believe in

1419
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: doing that. It's just something I hadn't thought of before,

1420
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 1: and now I'm curious about it. I think a lot

1421
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,839
Speaker 1: of it has to do with your agility and physical

1422
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,679
Speaker 1: fitness and things like that. Like, yes, because the squat

1423
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: is not easy for a lot of people. I hang

1424
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: out a lot of a lot of like kind of

1425
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 1: wiry wirre you little mugs, And I think that, um,

1426
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: among like why are you little mugs? I think that

1427
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: the squat is like I don't even need to do

1428
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: a handhold. No, No, I don't hand hold no. But

1429
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 1: I feel like when I was younger, my daughter I

1430
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: have to hand hold her. Yeah, you know, my daughters

1431
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 1: just finally grew out of that. Man. They can just

1432
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: drop it and go anywhere. Nothing on their shoes anymore.

1433
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 1: They keep their pants clear. It's wondering. My wife makes

1434
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: our daughter when she's peeing, she makes her get way

1435
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 1: back like handholding. You get way back, like a deep, deep,

1436
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 1: far lean back, because otherwise you gotta have four pairs

1437
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: of action underwear and pant tights with you. But I

1438
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 1: saw somewhere I won't even say it was maybe on

1439
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: one of your postcal recently we're laying, Tani commented about

1440
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 1: something about like a tree tether that's made for pooping. Yeah,

1441
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: because I was gonna say when I think, I feel

1442
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 1: like when I first started pooping in the woods more

1443
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: probably in my late teens early twenties, for some reason

1444
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 1: in my head, I thought that it was always going

1445
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: to be better if I, like I would always look

1446
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 1: for that perfect tree that could, you know, hook around

1447
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 1: and lean away and get it. And now I guess

1448
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 1: they've made a product it makes that easier. You know,

1449
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't need it, And that's not a product you

1450
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: needed to buy. No, land has like a doubled up

1451
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 1: belt or something that they can whip around a tree

1452
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 1: and lean back into. It's just like bearing down and

1453
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: getting some leverage or what like. I don't I think

1454
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: maybe a little stress reduce around the knees and I

1455
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: don't know, some some sort of comfort sounds complicated. Yeah,

1456
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 1: I've done, and when that strap breaks, you're going to

1457
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 1: be in a world poop. I've done the you know,

1458
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 1: in situations, I might do the limb grab, tree grab,

1459
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: limb grab, but Jaily not to walk you through the

1460
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: whole process, please, Well, there's a couple of things. I

1461
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: think that I'm more interested and responsible responsible pooping, not

1462
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 1: just clean, clean woods pooping, but responsible woods pooping. And

1463
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 1: we just came out of an area west of here

1464
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 1: where it is the tree shootingness woods shitness service. Man.

1465
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd ever had even seen tree shooting

1466
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: until all this. Yeah, in western Montana, it's become a

1467
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 1: thing where you show up and try to blow and

1468
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 1: sometimes successfully gradually blow over ponderosa pines by just shooting

1469
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: them to the point where they had The fourth service

1470
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: has signs up say you can't shoot the trees. I

1471
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: don't get it, like decent sized trees too. No, we're

1472
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: talking trees like we're talking Diana. And meanwhile the same

1473
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:15,719
Speaker 1: people are surface shitting. Well, yeah, I'd have a little

1474
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 1: talk with one of our crew members. Not going to

1475
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: mention any names, but I think that Steve likes. I

1476
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 1: don't know if you coined the term, if it's been

1477
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,680
Speaker 1: around forever. I had never used it. But the pist zone, no,

1478
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm colling that that's about Mexico. When you leave the

1479
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 1: group to go off down the hill, we're up the

1480
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 1: hill river, you say, I'm gonna flip a rock. Yeah,

1481
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 1: that's just the first thing I'm gonna do. Yeah. Well,

1482
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: I think that maybe some people have taken this to

1483
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 1: mean that that's all you have to do, is like

1484
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: take a rock to walk over somewhere else and go, well,

1485
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 1: take a right on the surface and then just flip

1486
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,839
Speaker 1: a rock on top sand. That's like a last resort

1487
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 1: if you can't take a hole. Because what I like

1488
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 1: to do is I like to find a rock that's

1489
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,639
Speaker 1: buried so far into the ground and when you lifted out,

1490
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: the perfect six inch hole is there, and then you

1491
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 1: put the rock back on the top stomach. Just here.

1492
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 1: The perfect rock is just making me want to go

1493
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 1: off in the wood. What I'm proud of is when

1494
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: I walk away, I'm like, if anybody else came through here,

1495
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: they would not know where I hid. I like the

1496
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 1: kind of rock where you go up. This is considering

1497
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: you got rocky grounds. We'll start a rocky ground. I

1498
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: like to kind of rock where you go up and

1499
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 1: you think, no way, I'm gonna move that rock. But

1500
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: then you give it a pole and there's some give

1501
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 1: and you pull and it pops out and there's like

1502
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 1: some some rolie polies and centipedes and a big ant

1503
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 1: nest like and then you do your thing in there

1504
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 1: and you're like an Egyptian bricklayer man and you put

1505
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: that block back down in that little slot. But it's

1506
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 1: such a deep hole in big rock that you don't

1507
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 1: even get like the like you don't even get like

1508
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 1: where you squish it oreo, right, and the stuffing comes

1509
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 1: up out. It's just like it's just like but but

1510
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:20,680
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, then it's like entombed. That's what I like.

1511
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 1: First I heard somewhere somehow right true. Yeah, it came

1512
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 1: up on Ben's podcast that I had never crapped in

1513
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: the woods. Well how would you do hold it the

1514
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 1: whole time? Well? I laban plug Well, I mean I

1515
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 1: know that is no I tell't please explain. Yeah, he's

1516
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: he's he is the laban. I don't know if it's

1517
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 1: necessarily has anything to do with my heritage. It hasn't.

1518
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 1: Oh sorry. When I travel, yeah, which is all the time,

1519
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 1: I tend to get a little constipated, and sometimes it

1520
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: can take two three. I don't know if I've ever

1521
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: made it four full days. Um, where you have a plug?

1522
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: So to speak? Um, I tell you you don't. You've

1523
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:15,759
Speaker 1: never felt as good as those seconds and minutes following

1524
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: getting rid of that place? Is that that Latvian plug?

1525
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 1: Exasperated by the mountain house? No? No, house doesn't give

1526
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: you a plug. No. I think it's just I don't

1527
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 1: know really what causes it, but it just I don't know.

1528
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: I try to drink a lot of water. I'm guessing

1529
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 1: that's walking onto a plane. I know that's what it does.

1530
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 1: It do it to YouTube, Seth. You get a little

1531
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 1: bit of it, don't you? From the airplane plug? Yeah? Yeah,

1532
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: do twenty three? See if you're leve I don't. I

1533
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: don't get as bad as Johnny, but I'll have like

1534
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 1: a day go by them like something's not right? What

1535
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 1: is your what is your heritage? I'm kind of all

1536
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 1: over the board. Not a whole lot of pizzas in

1537
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 1: the name Morrise go ahead, Phil, you never put in

1538
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 1: the woods there you are. Yeah. So I told Ben, well,

1539
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for a long haick this weekend and

1540
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 1: if the nature calls, I'll try it. I'll try it out,

1541
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: I'll sample it. And uh so, you know, I packed

1542
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff just in case, like a bunch

1543
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 1: of stuff, A couple of gallons size ziplog bags, roll

1544
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: of toilet papers, some sanitizing wipes. You know what we're

1545
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: gonna do with the galleon size zip blocks for the

1546
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 1: wipes and the toilet paper. It's like, can double zip

1547
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 1: it and so it doesn't, you know, bring it home, take,

1548
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 1: you know, pack out, keeping it dry. Yeah. Sure, but

1549
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 1: that's it for your bunch of stuff. Yes, And so

1550
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 1: i'm you know, I'm I'm a few hours into this

1551
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: hike and I don't really have to, but I was like,

1552
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,560
Speaker 1: I tried. I promised Ben i'd try. God damn it.

1553
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 1: And so I go way off and it's like I

1554
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: can just see where I was walking and keep an

1555
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: eye on it, and I take care of business and

1556
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: I bury it. And then immediately I hear a dog

1557
01:34:55,640 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 1: caller and you know, oh, you don't have to tell

1558
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 1: me because it happened, and so Tug sniff it out

1559
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: immediately come sprinting. The couple's like looking for their dog.

1560
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 1: What is he doing? And then I'm standing there just

1561
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 1: like pretending I'm on my phone, like hunting for treasure

1562
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:18,679
Speaker 1: or something I had. I had, but I just started

1563
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: walking back to the superficial berry. Yeah, I mean, I

1564
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 1: mean it was it was like, I don't know, like

1565
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 1: three or four inches. I like it was. It was

1566
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 1: really snowy too, was I just tried to pack some

1567
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 1: snow on top of It's anything. People like to walk

1568
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 1: away feeling they did something exactly. People do crazy little things.

1569
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 1: They'll take like a couple of like pine needles and

1570
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:39,719
Speaker 1: like put that on there and be like yeah, that's good. Yeah,

1571
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 1: well in anyway, so then I'm I'm like pretending I'm

1572
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: not noticing this dog, just like going to town on

1573
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: my chip. But just man, I it was a bad

1574
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 1: first experience. I'll tell your story, will curl your hair?

1575
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: Me and Ronnie Bam we're hunting snow geese one time,

1576
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 1: and we were on a little guided snow goose hunt.

1577
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: This is a good one. And the guide goes over

1578
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 1: to the tree line and flips the rock. It takes

1579
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 1: a growler, however you want to put it? Uh, and

1580
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: then pretty soon as dogs over there eating it. But

1581
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,600
Speaker 1: we're in layout blinds, so your face is down on

1582
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 1: the ground and the dog comes back over and wants

1583
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:24,639
Speaker 1: to run around licking everybody's face. Yeah, yeah, I almost

1584
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 1: like I had to get Yeah, did not. Almost had

1585
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 1: had an impulse that I didn't act on to shoot

1586
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 1: the dog. Well, I mean I was. I was talking

1587
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 1: to Mark Kennyan about it, and he's like, well, it

1588
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: might have been the nice thing to go back and

1589
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 1: explain to the couple which just happened, in case their

1590
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 1: dog comes running back smelling like like shit. I couldn't

1591
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:49,520
Speaker 1: even imagine bringing myself to do that. Like that's tough conversation. Yeah,

1592
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: you're not gonna take it back, but I want to

1593
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:53,640
Speaker 1: walk through people a little bit more so. You got

1594
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,560
Speaker 1: the perfect rock, like the Egyptian brick layer scenario, the

1595
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 1: perfect rock comes out of ground. If not also you

1596
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 1: carry a little shovel or your heel. But I think

1597
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:09,720
Speaker 1: the key is prep in your area, Like prep your

1598
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 1: area before you go, find out how you're gonna deal

1599
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: with it before you go, like hours before. No, no,

1600
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:20,600
Speaker 1: when you walk out, when you go off down the

1601
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: hill or off the hill or whatever you do, go

1602
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 1: over and don't like just go oh without considering how

1603
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 1: what your plan is, because you want to drop it

1604
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 1: in a good disposal location. So if you need to

1605
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:40,560
Speaker 1: dig a cat hole, you know or whatever, do that,

1606
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: then go. Don't go and then start wandering around trying

1607
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 1: to use sticks and whatnot and making little tongs and stuff,

1608
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 1: trying to move it around where you need to put it.

1609
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 1: So do that dig a hole, if you dig a hole,

1610
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 1: dig a deep hole, dig a head sized hole. Another

1611
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,600
Speaker 1: thing and other than this is my brother's trick. He

1612
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 1: keeps a lighter in with his can't money, so can't

1613
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 1: money being toilet paper, he keeps a lighter in there

1614
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 1: and as he's going he doesn't let us if it's

1615
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:12,680
Speaker 1: raining out whatever, you don't let the TP get wet

1616
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 1: as you're using it. So you're used t P. He'll

1617
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 1: lay over a little limb or what have you, and

1618
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 1: not letting get all balled ups and it doesn't want

1619
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 1: to burn. Lay it nice, drape it nice over a

1620
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 1: limb so it's well oxygenated. Then when you're done, you

1621
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 1: pull your lighter out up in flames. Where that becomes

1622
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 1: tricky is wet wipes. So what wipes don't want to burn?

1623
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 1: You gotta come back the next day and burn them.

1624
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 1: So I will carry and my kid, I got can't

1625
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 1: money and this little disposable like not disposed when it's

1626
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 1: a little single like this little can't money roll made

1627
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 1: for campers. Then I carry with me, uh wet ones,

1628
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 1: single use wet ones. And if you feel like you

1629
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 1: need to touch up to the single use wet one,

1630
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 1: open it, do your touch up, put the wet one

1631
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 1: back in that thing, and then put that in your

1632
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 1: ziplock bag inside your kit because you can't burn it.

1633
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:13,679
Speaker 1: Then burn the sweep by and bury your cat hole.

1634
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 1: And I don't need to walk out and find the

1635
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 1: ground littered with all your toilet paper. And this is

1636
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:24,640
Speaker 1: an important topic, which is the important topic now I

1637
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 1: just gotta I think you did a masterful job of

1638
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 1: describing that system, and folks should take that uh into mind.

1639
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 1: But also on the burning the TP side of things,

1640
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: the woods down. Yeah, And so there was a road

1641
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 1: biker outside of Emma, Idaho, and I was heading up

1642
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 1: to my buddy Jim's house to go h cook with

1643
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 1: those guys and hang out. And I think it was

1644
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 1: just to hang out session. This is Jim the bird Hunt.

1645
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 1: It's always cooking stuff. Yeah, and uh, I get this

1646
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 1: phone call says, hey, Cal just got called out on

1647
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:06,880
Speaker 1: a fire. Uh the roads are closed, but just tell

1648
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 1: them you're staying at my house. And uh, his wife

1649
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,760
Speaker 1: Nancy was like getting the animals together in case they

1650
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 1: had to evacuate. And I come around the corner and

1651
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: the whole damn mountains on fire. And so I go

1652
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 1: up and hang out with Nancy and we're kind of

1653
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 1: getting calls on fire and have a kind of an

1654
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:32,719
Speaker 1: evacuation plan for all their bird dogs and great dance

1655
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 1: and stuff. And uh that fire was a road biker

1656
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: who attempted to burn the toilet paper and got away

1657
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:50,600
Speaker 1: into the dry grasses of the blm there. Yeah, so

1658
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 1: just keep that in mind. And like the ranch that

1659
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 1: I was on this weekend, Uh, the fires roll through

1660
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 1: their almost every year, and the folks that live out

1661
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 1: there are hyper aware of fire, and I mean they

1662
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 1: should be. It's just like that that country their day.

1663
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:14,760
Speaker 1: I had a situation where I went off and uh

1664
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 1: found a really interesting little spot. It's like, you know

1665
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:20,640
Speaker 1: what a tree falls over and leads kind of like

1666
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: a half a stump. Oh my gosh, it must have

1667
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 1: been multiple in the The stump had rotted out, so

1668
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 1: there was actually like the splinters of the stump all

1669
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 1: right standing there, all rotted. The stump had rotted and

1670
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 1: left the cavity in the ground, so you're able to

1671
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 1: actually back up to it right use that. I prepped

1672
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 1: the whole little bit, dug excavate the hole out a

1673
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: little bit, but actually use that existing hole. Then walk

1674
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 1: back around and just boot the back end the half

1675
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,639
Speaker 1: of the stump that was up still, boot that over

1676
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 1: to in tomb. No one's getting into there. That's perfect.

1677
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:07,560
Speaker 1: Tipped it over and entombed the area, and then I

1678
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:09,360
Speaker 1: got up and jumped on it a couple of times.

1679
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:16,599
Speaker 1: That is one clean dropping. The only way anything's gonna

1680
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 1: get at is about coming up through the earth that

1681
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 1: would be fossilized today someone's gonna find step back and

1682
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 1: throw your hands on your hip. Glad. I was glad, satisfactory.

1683
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 1: It was like someone knew I was coming. One of

1684
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 1: those moments it makes you confident in a higher being

1685
01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:37,720
Speaker 1: because it was like someone was looking out for me.

1686
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:40,840
Speaker 1: I dropped one in the same kind of hole. But

1687
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 1: I just kicked it fold dirt. I didn't kick the

1688
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 1: stump on. You didn't back kick the stump down in

1689
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 1: it perfect. I felt good about it. Time for one more.

1690
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:51,600
Speaker 1: I think we can end on this one. Is there

1691
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 1: anything else to add here? Because this is something that

1692
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:56,640
Speaker 1: just like, well, I'm only just I'm only saying I

1693
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:01,759
Speaker 1: was just really nice National Force, like nice National forest,

1694
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 1: and it was cool. They're doing like a lot of

1695
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 1: work in that area, doing a lot of thinning, a

1696
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:09,760
Speaker 1: lot of controlled burns, like putting money into it to

1697
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:15,519
Speaker 1: make good habitat. It's marked, roads are marked, like everybody

1698
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:19,559
Speaker 1: doing all the stuff to make it like usable accessible signs.

1699
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,879
Speaker 1: National Forests four miles like turn you know, like everything

1700
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:29,760
Speaker 1: everything that you could ask for, Like, oh, laid out right,

1701
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:33,559
Speaker 1: everyone's done their job. And how what does that bring

1702
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 1: out in people? I got it. Let's go shoot all

1703
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,760
Speaker 1: over and then shoot the trees till they fall over.

1704
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 1: That like that sounds like like that's how we should

1705
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 1: treat the National forest. I don't know who's paying for

1706
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 1: all this. You are so disgusting, man, Yeah, taking up

1707
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of plastic and ship to shoot at we

1708
01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 1: came across the legos. Someone who brought those big you know,

1709
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:04,439
Speaker 1: the child legos that are blows they're called. Someone brought

1710
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:06,560
Speaker 1: those up there and stuck them on a limb and

1711
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 1: where and then left. Only hit it once that a

1712
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 1: big lego structure with one bullet hole through it. You

1713
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 1: didn't find any legos or toilet paper and your turkey's crop,

1714
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:23,120
Speaker 1: did you? No? But everywhere you went, man, everywhere you went. Culturally,

1715
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on that little neck of

1716
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 1: the woods. Oh, I think it's a case of a

1717
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 1: few bad apples. Well, they get around, I'm sure they do,

1718
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 1: shooting trees down. I've a topped a few Christmas trees

1719
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 1: in my day, the old old tan gage, if I'm

1720
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 1: being honest, But this is actual. Almost took some videos,

1721
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 1: but it was like, oh man, anyways, last one on

1722
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 1: public land, and I don't second last one. I don't

1723
01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 1: see why you couldn't do this on private land. You

1724
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 1: there might be just more fun because you'd probably be

1725
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:05,840
Speaker 1: hunting there with your buddies. Have you ever thought about

1726
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 1: laying down false tracks slash signs to bamboozle other hunters

1727
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,040
Speaker 1: do the other day we talked about this. Yeah, it

1728
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 1: takes a lot of work to be to be like

1729
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 1: packing around an elk hoof or a deer hoof to

1730
01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 1: lay down that kind of a sign. I was just

1731
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 1: gonna say, it seems like a lot of work with

1732
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:30,560
Speaker 1: Without that, you can lay down a scrape wouldn't be

1733
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 1: too hard. A rob would take some serious Yeah, well

1734
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:35,720
Speaker 1: then you're not bamboozle. Yeah you are. You're getting them

1735
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:38,680
Speaker 1: to waste their time. Yeah, that's a great idea to

1736
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 1: go make a little scrape, fake scrapes and put tracks

1737
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 1: on them. H We talked. We were the guy the

1738
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 1: other day that was saying back home what they would do.

1739
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:49,719
Speaker 1: We're looking at turkey tracks in the road, and he says,

1740
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:52,200
Speaker 1: you would stomp out every one of these turkey tracks.

1741
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 1: That's right. And so he said, when they're rolling around,

1742
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 1: they look for a bunch of stomping there. Now we uh,

1743
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 1: we used to on some public land that I used

1744
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 1: to hunt. There was kind of a major trail. It

1745
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:11,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a heavily used trail by hikers, but it wasn't.

1746
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:14,840
Speaker 1: It was a major trail. And there was a spot

1747
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:17,719
Speaker 1: where there it was a known elk crossing and there's

1748
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 1: a lot of tracks there and near I just like

1749
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 1: one time brought up some pecord and basically made like

1750
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:26,599
Speaker 1: a little broom out of some pine bowels or fur

1751
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 1: bows more likely. And um, I would sweep those tracks

1752
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:33,680
Speaker 1: for two reasons. One, I wanted to see like how

1753
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 1: quickly they got freshened up, you know, because if I

1754
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 1: went through in the dark in the morning and came

1755
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:40,400
Speaker 1: back out at ten and there's fresh tracks, and I

1756
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 1: have rough idea when they crossed through there. But to

1757
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 1: also kick out, you know, to hide them from if

1758
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: anybody else was hiking that trail. That's the thing I

1759
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 1: like about the lion hunters that lion hunters do is

1760
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 1: they like to brush out stuff all time, right um.

1761
01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 1: And then I noticed, like down in South America, some

1762
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:00,960
Speaker 1: of those guys like to a shout out the sandbars

1763
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:04,800
Speaker 1: just to wipe the slate clean, and he gives it

1764
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:06,640
Speaker 1: like a nice little texture to pick up tracks. But

1765
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 1: we had a lion hunters like if you get like

1766
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 1: whatever sandy patches and trails or a dry wash crossing

1767
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 1: the road, they like to get out and those bring

1768
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 1: a broom and broom it out so the next time

1769
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,000
Speaker 1: they know, like I was here, I broomed it out

1770
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:20,720
Speaker 1: on Monday. Af there's a track on Tuesday. I know

1771
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 1: when that track got laid down. But that's different than

1772
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 1: trying to bambooz with someone I know. I mean real

1773
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:32,320
Speaker 1: common one for western trailheads because I say Western trailhead

1774
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 1: because that's where my experience is. Is like, if you're

1775
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 1: hunting with four people, everybody drive your own vehicle, so

1776
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 1: then there's four vehicles parked at the trailhead, crowded. As

1777
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 1: my brother in Alaska, he doesn't like camo tents. He

1778
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 1: doesn't get it. He likes the brightest tent he can find,

1779
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:57,439
Speaker 1: and he likes a lot of bright tents because when

1780
01:47:57,479 --> 01:48:01,519
Speaker 1: someone's flying over, he wants to look like all hell

1781
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:05,720
Speaker 1: broke loose down there. He's like, if I could have

1782
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 1: set up five neon tents, I don't want to camo

1783
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:11,400
Speaker 1: t I wanted to be like I am here, we

1784
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 1: are all here. Although sometimes sometimes Cow's example can backfire

1785
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:21,240
Speaker 1: because some people will be like, well good. It would

1786
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 1: be like ice fishing man, when you go out to

1787
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:24,960
Speaker 1: lake and your ice fish and you just be like, oh,

1788
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:29,080
Speaker 1: everyone's over there. Place to start. Uh. Last question we

1789
01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:33,599
Speaker 1: got when we wrapper up some guy was like, what's

1790
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:38,680
Speaker 1: your thoughts on pebble mind? I know all I know.

1791
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:42,280
Speaker 1: I understand all the arguments. Under said all the arguments. Um,

1792
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 1: you know you drive everybody drives cars and we use

1793
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 1: metal and no no, no, like I get it, I

1794
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 1: get it. All people need jobs. I want people to

1795
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 1: have jobs. I'm not anti job. I'm not anti mining. Um.

1796
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 1: I opposed that mine. It is the wrong project in

1797
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:12,599
Speaker 1: the wrong place. If if the headwaters of the biggest

1798
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:16,320
Speaker 1: salmon runs on the face of the earth, like if

1799
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 1: that isn't like a line in the sand, I don't

1800
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 1: know what is. I don't think we should mess around.

1801
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:24,519
Speaker 1: I do not. I think that I would like I

1802
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 1: would love it if the president um with just all

1803
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden you know, I know there's beyond presidential

1804
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of things, but there would be

1805
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:35,200
Speaker 1: a great step as the president would just and he

1806
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 1: he has he's comfortable. Um. He went against his party

1807
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:45,320
Speaker 1: on divestit your federal lands. It was in the party

1808
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 1: platform and he was like, not not gonna happen. Not

1809
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 1: interested in divest your public lands. So he's like federal

1810
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 1: managed lands. So he will go against like what they

1811
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:57,840
Speaker 1: got going on there I would breathe such a side

1812
01:49:57,880 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 1: relief if he would put them, if you would come

1813
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:02,840
Speaker 1: out and be like, you know, not not gonna happen there. Yeah,

1814
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:07,679
Speaker 1: don't do it, man, don't do it. In a hundred years,

1815
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 1: it'll be the winning decision will have been to not

1816
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 1: do that. Don't do it. If we're talking about just

1817
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:18,680
Speaker 1: put a big, huge, open pit mine, big full of

1818
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,560
Speaker 1: toxic material in a seismically active is it true that

1819
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 1: there's never been an open pit mine that hasn't failed,

1820
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 1: like hasn't been breached or failed in something. Absolutely? Absolutely.

1821
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:33,679
Speaker 1: But you know there's some that that do that within

1822
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:38,960
Speaker 1: the degree of what's acceptable to amount of leakages. Yeah,

1823
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:42,760
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely. But I mean this thing, you're like, it's

1824
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:45,400
Speaker 1: a it's a sponge. You're you're digging a hole that

1825
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:48,800
Speaker 1: we know is going to fill with water because every

1826
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:51,400
Speaker 1: other hole up there is full of water and there's

1827
01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 1: no place to put the water in a very seismically Yeah,

1828
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,040
Speaker 1: it's like it's like leech mining. You're you're digging out

1829
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 1: or out of the ground. Then you're putting is it

1830
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 1: cyanide leach up there? You're dissolving, you're dissolving precious metals

1831
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:08,479
Speaker 1: out of or with chemicals, and then you gotta do

1832
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 1: something with all that stuff. And so they build a

1833
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:14,120
Speaker 1: big man made lake, and that big man made lake

1834
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,080
Speaker 1: like you build a big dam, right, and that man

1835
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 1: made leg will be full of all that toxic material

1836
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 1: and then you just kind of let it sit there

1837
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 1: for eternity and hope that the damn doesn't burst. I'm

1838
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:29,680
Speaker 1: grossly oversimplifying. It's just out of just to get through

1839
01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:33,519
Speaker 1: it quick. But I'm not anti minded man. I'm anti

1840
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 1: that mine. Yeah, absolutely, I don't think it's the right

1841
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 1: thing to do. I don't think it's I get all

1842
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:42,719
Speaker 1: the stuff though, I get the economy, I get jobs.

1843
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:48,640
Speaker 1: Don't do that one, like, don't do that one? Absolutely

1844
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 1: too much to ask if they do do it. No,

1845
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 1: they don't do it. I win a thousand dollar bet.

1846
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:02,000
Speaker 1: You're bias. I thought you said you don't like gambling.

1847
01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:05,040
Speaker 1: I made a bet on this where I made a

1848
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 1: bet three years ago that it wouldn't be that they

1849
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:10,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't have initiated, that they wouldn't have started to extract

1850
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 1: or in a decade. So I'm three years in and

1851
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 1: seven more years that they have not extracted any or.

1852
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 1: I went a thousand bucks. It says nothing with what

1853
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:22,080
Speaker 1: I you know, It's just that was I was just

1854
01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 1: in a betting mood. I'm back when I drank more,

1855
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 1: all these bets, all these bets about the next presidential election,

1856
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:29,680
Speaker 1: all this stuff was when I drank a lot more.

1857
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 1: Guy used getting a betting mood. Quarantine's turned. I don't

1858
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:38,839
Speaker 1: make it really any bet. I lose all my bets. Anyway,

1859
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:41,839
Speaker 1: didn't you also say you would, uh, you would engage

1860
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 1: in civil disobedience over this? Yeah, I would think that

1861
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:47,720
Speaker 1: it might be a situation. I would think that it

1862
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 1: would be if I if they were going to go

1863
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:51,640
Speaker 1: and actually do it, and I heard that there was

1864
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 1: people that were going to go out and do like

1865
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,640
Speaker 1: like a civil disobedience, I would in the back of

1866
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:00,240
Speaker 1: my mind, I'd be like, yes, I'll not that I

1867
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:02,680
Speaker 1: condoned civil discipline. Well know, in some cases, why not?

1868
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 1: That's what this country was built on, right, Like people

1869
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 1: in Michigan go down to the state capital over like

1870
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:14,000
Speaker 1: a confusing effort to quarantine people's like civil disobedience. Um,

1871
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:19,560
Speaker 1: it would be heartbreaking to me because I would just

1872
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:21,479
Speaker 1: I would be like, okay, if we can't if if

1873
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 1: that if we can't do that, Like what else can't

1874
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:26,160
Speaker 1: we Yeah, where's the line? Like what is sort of

1875
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 1: like not you know what is was like yellow Stones

1876
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:34,600
Speaker 1: that I you know, I mean, i'd rather put I

1877
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:40,160
Speaker 1: don't want to say that. It's just so contrary. It's like,

1878
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Speaker 1: you know, especially like right now, I think folks got

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01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 1: like a little taste is a bad word, but I'm

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01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:52,800
Speaker 1: using a little taste of food insecurity. Um. And you know, man,

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Speaker 1: I hope you come out at quick if you're listening

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01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 1: to this and you're and you're you're in that spot,

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01:53:57,240 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 1: right Tommy, And I'll tell you that was that it? Um,

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01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:09,360
Speaker 1: But I might have spoke too much already. This is sorry, Tommy.

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Speaker 1: You know this is America's salmon stocks. This is talking

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01:54:14,479 --> 01:54:18,320
Speaker 1: about something different for the pebble mine, Like what's at risk?

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01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:24,720
Speaker 1: This this a giant security blanket of food that we're like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a good argument. I'm gonna steal that from you. Yeah,

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01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:32,200
Speaker 1: please do what you steal an argument, You're not really

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01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:37,960
Speaker 1: stealing their argument. You just influenced me. Yeah. Yeah, um,

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01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:40,720
Speaker 1: there you go. That's what I think about. That's why

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Speaker 1: I think about that. Is there anything else we should

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01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 1: tell folks about anything like that. We're doing that. They

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01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:47,800
Speaker 1: should be checking out. I was just thinking they should.

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01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 1: If they haven't yet, they to go check out the

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01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 1: six pack of meat eater hunts videos. You can see

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01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:59,840
Speaker 1: uh Brody doing a little pig hunting Texas cow dude,

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01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 1: some goose and what's the other one you did? I

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01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:08,960
Speaker 1: think that's it for me because it's Cal's wee can review.

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01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:12,240
Speaker 1: Not it's Cal in the Field. Yeah, he's got a

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01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:16,080
Speaker 1: separate series called Cal in the Field. Yannie Chase some

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01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:22,160
Speaker 1: big old bulls and spear fishing spearfish Flasher catching some

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01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 1: beave is this is the spear is our spear fishing one?

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01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:31,720
Speaker 1: Still caught up with an outperforming your elk one? Yes? Yeah,

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01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 1: neck for a while. The beaver hunting episode is crushed, dude.

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01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:41,960
Speaker 1: There's a thirst for there's a thirst for beaver videos. Man.

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01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:49,240
Speaker 1: We tapped into the zeitgeist Forget and Deliver. People like it. Yeah,

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01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:51,600
Speaker 1: you can't go out anymore at night. People like, oh

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01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:57,400
Speaker 1: my god, it's the guy for the beaver video. Al Right, everybody,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining. Ryan Callahan, Sat Morris, flip flop flasher,

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01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 1: Phil Taylor down there on the end, Dogs eating his uhs,

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01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:18,520
Speaker 1: and Brody Henderson good night. No nicknames, Brody, I've never

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01:56:18,640 --> 01:56:21,120
Speaker 1: gotten to work on it a little bit. Oh. I

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01:56:21,200 --> 01:56:24,440
Speaker 1: thought of one though, for his his wife the other

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01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:26,720
Speaker 1: day that I can't leave that word more often is

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01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:31,400
Speaker 1: that his wife, Carrie, married into the Henderson name, and

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Speaker 1: uh so I saw it. I said, oh, Carrie, and

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Speaker 1: the Henderson's fe