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Speaker 1: This is the Colts Free Agent Tracker, a look at

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Speaker 1: some key in house free agents this offseason. Hello again

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Speaker 1: and welcome to another Cults free agent tracker. This is

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Speaker 1: where we're looking at key free agents in house free

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Speaker 1: agents for the Colts this offseason. I'm Matt Taylor. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined today by JJ Stangovitz and Bill Brooks. And NFL

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Speaker 1: free agency starts next week. The I'm telling you what,

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Speaker 1: the off season heating up. We had to combine last

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Speaker 1: week and then NFL free agency. We're seven days away

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Speaker 1: from the legal tampering period, which I always find hilarious

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Speaker 1: in terms of that label fells it's kind of oxy moron.

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Speaker 1: But JJ, as you know, teams are allowed to contact

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Speaker 1: and inner negotiations with unrestricted free agents whose contracts will

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Speaker 1: expire next Wednesday, March the sixteenth, and then from that

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Speaker 1: point on, baby free agency it's on. It's heating up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean the we always joke about how the NFL

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Speaker 1: offseason is just not a thing, but you know, we've

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Speaker 1: done done a bunch of these vignettes, and when we

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Speaker 1: you know, we have so much time to get him

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Speaker 1: done and now it's like, oh my god, we're getting

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Speaker 1: to the end here. We're talking about Mark Lewinsky and

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Speaker 1: Chris Reid and what the Colts might do it left

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Speaker 1: guard or right guard? Excuse me? Next week, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be here. And as you said, we've looked at

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys with the Vignettes free agents on

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Speaker 1: this podcast series. Already. We talked about Eric Fisher, we

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Speaker 1: talked about Komoca, Terrey Taekwon Lewis, Xavier Rhodes, and as

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Speaker 1: JJ said, today, we're gonna examine two valuable offensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: Mark Lewinsky and Chris Reid. So let's start first with Glow.

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Speaker 1: He's been with the Colts since twenty eighteen, forty three

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Speaker 1: consecutive games that he played, including the playoffs, and was

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Speaker 1: and forty two of them, but was replaced in the

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Speaker 1: starting lineup by Chris Reid in Week eight in a

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Speaker 1: rematch against Tennessee. Up until that point, Lewinsky had not

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Speaker 1: missed a single game due to injury since October of

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, but this past season played in sixteen games,

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Speaker 1: started fourteen of them. Bill, I'll start with you, how

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Speaker 1: much value does Mark Lewinsky have for the Colts considering

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Speaker 1: his durability, his ability to answer the bell every single

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Speaker 1: time out, and just that that availability that he's had

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Speaker 1: for the Colts dating back to twenty eighteen. Well, as

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Speaker 1: you always, as you guys know, one of the best

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Speaker 1: abilities you have is availability on the football field, and

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Speaker 1: he has been available for the Coats since he's got

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Speaker 1: here since twenty eighteen, as you have stated, and he's

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Speaker 1: played well as on top of that. So when you

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Speaker 1: have a guy that plays that well, can play as

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Speaker 1: things you want an offensive line do. You want consistency

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Speaker 1: you look at Chris Reid this past season, fourteen games,

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Speaker 1: Colts coaching staff at the time felt compelled to reward

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Speaker 1: So that meant he started two games at right guard

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Speaker 1: for Glewinsky. Like we talked about, take me back to

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Speaker 1: how surprised were you that Chris Reid started some games

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Speaker 1: Mark Lewinsky didn't miss games. He was one of the

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Speaker 1: And to say, hey, you know, we're gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 1: You know. I just think that those snaps that he took,

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Speaker 1: It was more about Chris Reid playing so well that

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Speaker 1: But it's gonna be tough, I think to bring both

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Speaker 1: So what does it come down to? JJ? I mean

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Speaker 1: Bill laid out right there. I mean there's a lot

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Speaker 1: Is it all about money when it comes to making

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Speaker 1: Do we say, all right, maybe we can get Chris

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Speaker 1: something Chris Ballard is okay with. He very much is

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Speaker 1: But if you know, you like what Chris Reid did

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Speaker 1: you know, a couple million cheaper per year than Mark Lewinsky,

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Speaker 1: and you don't believe the drop off is very significant,

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Speaker 1: Mark Lewinsky you get a com pick for him next year.

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Speaker 1: also value what Globe brings in that continuity from left

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Speaker 1: you probably do prioritize bringing back Mark Lewinsky and giving

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Speaker 1: be really interesting decision next week. No, you're exactly right.

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