1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: All right, hello everyone, and welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: We are back today with doctor Joseph Witt Douring and 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: I told you we were going to talk about all 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: things that are crazy with these drugs. We're going to 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: get into the sexual side effects. A lot of people 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: have texted me, a lot of people have messaged me 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: about that part of it. I think that's because that's 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: one of the most shocking parts of the psychiatric meds. 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: But I also want to get into some of the 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: cannabis stuff because I have seen that you have been 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: out there posting some of the stuff about cannabis psychosis. 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: It's near and dear to my heart. We legalized marijuana 13 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan back in twenty eighteen, and 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to get your opinion on this because I 15 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: don't think anybody I don't think that's a common household 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: name cannabis psychosis, and it's kind of scary. 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, out of all the things I talk about, 18 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: I usually get the most criticism about this. People hold 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: cannabis near and dear to their heart. You know, it 20 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: is a herb, it is a medicine, it is safe. 21 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: And my position is that if you care about good 22 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: psychiatric health, it is something that you need to avoid completely. Now, 23 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: what a lot of people don't realize is that high 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: potency cannabis products are the norm these days, and they're 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: about forty times more potent than the ditchwed that a 26 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: lot of people grow up smoking back in the day. 27 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 2: And what we found when we look at the science 28 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: behind this in the epidemiology, out of all drugs that 29 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: you could have a psychotic response to, because this happens, 30 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: I mean, this shouldn't be surprising. Like many people have 31 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: heard that you can have a bad trip on cannabis. 32 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about. You know, ten people smoke joints, 33 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: nine of them are giggling and having a good time. 34 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: One person becomes paranoid. And this happens with all drugs 35 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: of abuse, and out of all of the drugs of 36 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: a use, you know, meth aanphetamine, LSD, cocaine, the one 37 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: like the one drug that if you have a psychotic 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: reaction to that you have the highest likelihood of going 39 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: on to being diagnosed with bipolar or schizophrenia. Essentially, that's 40 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: a proxy for ongoing manic or psychotic symptoms that aren't 41 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: just confined to when you got high that continue to 42 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: go after that. It's cannabis, and people are often surprised 43 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: when they hear that. They go, why isn't it meth? 44 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: Why isn't it LSD? And the point that I want 45 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: to make to people is that there is something uniquely 46 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: damaging about cannabis that can precipitate ongoing mania and psychosis. 47 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: That so that's very interesting because we just had a 48 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: case in Michigan where a man. You may have heard 49 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: of this story of the walmart stabber, the guy who 50 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: went in and he stabbed several people in the walmart 51 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: and the story, so the backstory of that many people 52 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: heard because it was just a local story here in 53 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: Traverse City. The man he was in his forties and 54 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: when he was in high school, he had had a 55 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: bad hit of weed and he came home and his mom. 56 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: His mom was like, you know, he's never been the same. 57 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: He came home and he was curled up in the 58 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: fetal position and he said, mom, I got some bad weed. 59 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: And she said, you know, that was the day we 60 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: lost her. He was fourteen years old. She said, that 61 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: was the day we lost him. He was never the 62 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: same after that, and they have suffered with all kinds 63 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: of paranoia. He's committed multiple crimes because of the paranoia 64 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: because he's no longer the same. His brain was permanently 65 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: changed after one hit of bad weed. Yeah. 66 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think people listening to this, they'll go, oh, 67 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: this is just this is some reef of madness stuff 68 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: from back in the days. You know, this is a 69 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: lamist and so I want to kind of I need 70 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: to add a little bit of nuance here. And this 71 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: is for people who have ever encountered doctors. Like if 72 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: you if you have a like a cannabis and juice 73 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: psychosis and you go to the doctor and you start 74 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: to have more psychosis after that, they'll say it has 75 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: unmasked your schizophrenia, which is essentially a way of saying 76 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: your brain was broken. You're already this was going to 77 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 2: happen anyway. It's just you know, you smoke some weed 78 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: and now you know you were more sensitive, but you 79 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: actually have schizophrenia. Having worked with people at the tape 80 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: of Clinic, because one of the reasons why people come 81 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 2: to me is that they're on they get put on 82 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: any psychotic medications after they have a cannabis and juice psychosis. 83 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: They continue to have psychosis, and so they're taking the antipsychotics. 84 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: Eventually they decide that they want to come off the medications, 85 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 2: and sorry, eventually they stop smoking cannabis and they want 86 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: to come off the medication at that time. What I 87 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: found is that even after they stop smoking the cannabis, 88 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: that they still have like enduring psychosis for several years afterwards. 89 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: And this has been seen by other people, not just me. 90 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: I mean Aubrey Adams is someone that talks about this 91 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 2: a lot. And when you actually support people coming off cannabis, 92 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 2: you will notice that sometimes for a year, sometimes for 93 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 2: two years, they're not quite right. And so you have 94 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: to kind of ask yourself, why does it take a 95 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 2: year or two for some people coming off cannabis to 96 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: have their moods stabilized, to stop experiencing paranoia. The one 97 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: explanation that I can think of is that there is 98 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: something toxic about cannabis that is actually harmful to the neurons. 99 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: And the reason why it takes a year or two 100 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 2: afterwards for this to clear up is that your brain 101 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 2: is actually healing, it's recovering from a toxic insult, and 102 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: that's why it's that's why it's taking so long that 103 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 2: now the problem is, and this is I know this 104 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 2: is kind of a longer point. The problem is is 105 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 2: that most doctors will miss this and they will say 106 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 2: that it's schizophrenia and they need to stay on the 107 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: drug indefinitely, when really what they need to do is 108 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: completely stop smoking weed like any of it, and then 109 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: they just need to be patient. They need to wait 110 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: a couple of years for their brain to heal. 111 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: That's so interesting because the mom was interviewed in this 112 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: case in Northern Michigan and she said it was his 113 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: drug of choice then and it is his drug of 114 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: choice now. So obviously this is an ongoing issue. One 115 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to ask you about which you 116 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: may not know about this. I don't know if it's 117 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: incredibly rare, but we had someone who worked for us 118 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: who was constantly ill, like physically ill, vomiting, not able 119 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: to keep food down, and they couldn't figure out what 120 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: was going on with him, and he just kept coming 121 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: into work and he was like, you know, I'm so sick. 122 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: I'm so sick all the time. You have to remember 123 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: when you are taking any type of drug, whether it 124 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: is cannabis or anything else. You're putting a drug in 125 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: your system, it's changing your system. He was also a 126 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: heavy pot smoker and he ended up dying. It was 127 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: devastating to the family, to everybody around. He was so 128 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: such a beloved person. And afterward a doctor said to 129 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: one of his family members, you know, he may have 130 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: had this sickness that occurs when you some people can't 131 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: smoke cannabis or do cannabis to that level, or they 132 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: or their body that kind of rebels against them and 133 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: they can no longer get nutrition. 134 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it sounds like cannabis induced hyperemesis, 135 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: which really isn't that uncommon. And I know you said 136 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: it was rare, but this is this is a common 137 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: thing that happens with heavy cannabis uses. And yes, I 138 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: mean if you're having if you're vomiting a lot, you're 139 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: going to have electrolyte imbalances. Some of these issues can 140 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: lead to heart attacks, and so it's not a safe product, 141 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: especially the stuff that they're handing out now that is 142 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: so hypotency and there's really not great regulations around it, 143 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: and we're going to see more episodes of psychosis, more 144 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: hyper emine and this this whole like branding of it 145 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: as this safe natural medicine, it just doesn't hold true 146 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: for the products that are being sold on the US 147 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: market today. 148 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: Well, again, you could have a medical cannabis card before 149 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: it was legal in Michigan. I think there are other states. 150 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: I think Florida is one of the states where you 151 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: can have a medical cannabis card. So that makes you 152 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: feel like this is medicine. I've been prescribed to this card. 153 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: I have to have it. But even when you have 154 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: the card, you're kind of self dosing, Like this is 155 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: a really dangerous thing to give it to people. 156 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the problem with American healthcare today. 157 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: A lot of it works like a production line. I mean, 158 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: there are bad actors out there that will, you know, 159 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: essentially give you a card for a couple hundred bucks. 160 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: You know, they're not really evaluating you. There's not really 161 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: follow up, like that's their stick, you know. Come to me. 162 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: I'm pro cannabis. I think of it as a herb. 163 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: All right, here you go. And that happens with cannabis, 164 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: and it happens with psychiatric medications, and many people are 165 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: getting the illusion of healthcare but yes, yeah, they're essentially 166 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: just given permission to go and take smoke cannabis for 167 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: their pain or their PTSD or whatever it is, with 168 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: really minimal oversight. 169 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: These are huge industries. These people make tons of money. 170 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: Pharmaceutical companies, the cannabis industry, they're all making a ton 171 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: of money. Why are doctors so quick to tell people 172 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: that they have depression or anxiety? I mean, this can 173 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: happen in the first fifteen minute visit, And like you 174 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: said in the first part of this, you can be 175 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: in an office for five to ten minutes with someone. 176 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: You suddenly get a label that you have for life. 177 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: And I think oftentimes folks who get this label, they 178 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: internalize this label. They become this label. Rather than wanting 179 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: to overcome the label, they become the label. 180 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm going to give you a two part 181 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: response to this, and I'm going to start with the 182 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: first part, which is simple. There is a commercial incentive 183 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: to see people in a short period of time. Because 184 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: of insurance, you simply make more if you see four 185 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: people in an hour, And so there's time pressure and 186 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: bad incentives for doctors to just say you have depression. 187 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: And there's an FDA treatment for that, you know, I'm 188 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: covered legally for it, rather than do an in depth 189 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: of valuation. So that's going on. But the question is, 190 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: you know, why do doctors do this? Aren't doctors ethical? 191 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: Don't doctors care about people? Don't doctors want to do 192 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 2: a really good job with their patients. And as as 193 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: someone who has been in the pharmaceutical industry, I did 194 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: work there for a couple of years, I've seen how 195 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 2: their marketing machine works. And you know, people sometimes think 196 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: I'm a conspiracy theory theorists when I talk about this, 197 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: but there is a multi billion dollar industry there that 198 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: has a vested interest in shaping how you look at things. 199 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: They will deploy their resources towards medical journals, towards thought 200 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: leaders and academics, and at conferences to constantly tilt the 201 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: opinions about things in one way, and the ultimate sort 202 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 2: of outcome of them selectively, let's say, platforming certain opinions, 203 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 2: mobilizing you know, patient groups which they fund to complain about, 204 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: you know the fact that doctor Joss on the Tutor 205 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: Dix podcast and she's spreading misinformation. 206 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: They can do that. 207 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: They have patient organizations which they fund which seem like 208 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: they're grassroots and like independent, but they can send them 209 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: a letter because they give them millions of dollars to 210 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: come and throw hate on you and just say she's dangerous. 211 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: So effectively, what you have you got this billion dollar 212 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: industry that is essentially just controlling the narrative. That's what 213 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: it is. And so most doctors when they see patients, 214 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: they think, generally depression is a biological condition. I don't 215 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: really hear about relationships and works and work and nutrition. 216 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: They must not be important because my medical education didn't 217 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: emphasize that. But the reason the medical education didn't emphasize 218 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: that is because they didn't have a big industry. They're 219 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: just saying, you know, talk about this, talk about that, 220 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: you know, and and so essentially that that's that's what's 221 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: been going on. We've we've had our medical education taken 222 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: over by commercial interests. 223 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: I want to ask you something a little controversial now, 224 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: because you made a post about Charlie Kirk and you 225 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: said something about him being murdered for having conversations. You're 226 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: talking about really big stuff against really powerful people and 227 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: companies and the government. Do you worry about that? 228 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I do worry about that, especially over the 229 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 2: last week. And I mean people have been coming after 230 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: my medical license for a long time. You know, they 231 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: follow me around on social media, you know, posting, you know, 232 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: call the Utah Medical Board, get this guy disbanded. But 233 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: after watching this assassination, yeah, I do worry about it. 234 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: I just want to stay here first and foremost. I'm 235 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: not suicidal, So you know, if anything kind of looks 236 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: like that's that's not you know, that's not true, but 237 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: I don't know it's I think you have to be 238 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: willing to die for what you believe in sometimes. I mean, 239 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: I don't want that to happen. And I don't say 240 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: this lightly, but I really believe that I'm here to 241 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: share this message with people, and you know, if that 242 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: leads to this kind of attention, then then so be it. 243 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: But I always I try to not be overly inflammatory. 244 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: I try to say things as they are. I try 245 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: and speak with compassion when I can. But yes, I 246 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: do think there is a target on my back, specifically 247 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: because I'm talking about mental illness and people on psychiatric medications, 248 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 2: and some of them may be unstable, and this can 249 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: be really confronting and challenging to some people's identity to 250 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: hear that, hey, maybe it's not just your mental illness, 251 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 2: maybe it's like your life. That's like a painful thing 252 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: for some people to hear. And so absolutely, you know, 253 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 2: I worry, but it's not going to change what I do. 254 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: It's an interesting way of putting things because I think 255 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: Charlie would say the same thing. Yeah, I will go 256 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: out there and die for what I believe in, and 257 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: we should all be willing to say that we're going 258 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: to make the world a better place. And what you 259 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: are going out there and talking about is incredibly personal, 260 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: and you fight for two groups of people. There is 261 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: a group of people who say I've been wronged and 262 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: this happened to me, and there's a group of people 263 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: that don't know yet, yeah, and they don't know that 264 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: you're fighting for them. And I mean, I've even heard 265 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: that in these stories that I've seen on social media 266 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: since we lost Charlie, and people have come out and 267 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: said he was the only person that spoke truth to me. 268 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: And I got out of where I was because I 269 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: heard the truth, but I wasn't willing to hear it 270 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: when I was face to face, and it took me 271 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: a while and That's why I think you talking is 272 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: so critical because it does take people a while. And 273 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: that's I told you at the beginning. The majority of 274 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: people who have come to me have come to me 275 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: and private messaged me about the side effects of SSRIs, 276 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: and that runs the gamut of nerve pain to our 277 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: artificial arthritis pain and sexual dysfunction. And the sexual dysfunction 278 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: I think is that's the side effect that hurts people 279 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: the most because it's not their own personal side effect. 280 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: It's a side effect that affects their loved one and 281 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: their chance of having a loved one. And I've heard 282 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: so many stories. Honestly, I did not know the extent 283 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: of the sexual dysfunction. It's called PSSD. There's whole groups 284 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: out there. My world has been open to these people 285 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: who have been suffering in silence, and they have these 286 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: they have these vocal social media accounts, but they're just 287 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: not heard. They're not big enough, they're not they're being 288 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: silenced by big pharma too. But I mean, we're hearing 289 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: numbers like seventy percent of people who take an SSRI 290 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: will experience some form of sexual dysfunction. But the really 291 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: disturbing number is that in almost twenty percent of those cases. 292 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: This is permanent. 293 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I correct you on that. I haven't seen the 294 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: twenty percent number, and I and I want to. Let's 295 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: let's unpack this. Seventy up to seventy percent of people, 296 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: maybe even high they experience sexual dysfunction on the drugs. 297 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: So we're talking about decreased libido, muted you know, muted orgasms, 298 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: you know, I, erectile dysfunction, all sorts of things. And 299 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: it's sort of it's told to patients as like, hey, 300 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: this is just something that happens. If you want to 301 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: take the medication, don't worry. It's going to go away. 302 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: It's a trade off for feeling better. And so people say, well, 303 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: you know, I mean a really bad plays. Okay, I'll 304 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: deal with it. 305 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: Now. 306 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 2: What happens is that some people, when they come off 307 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: the medication, not only does it not go away, they 308 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: develop other problems. And so the constellation is they get 309 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: sexual dysfunction, which is characterized by genital anesthesia, which is 310 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: essentially the erogenous sensation that you normally associate with down there. 311 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like that anymore. It feels like the 312 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: back of your hand. And so there's sensory changes, they 313 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 2: have cognitive dysfunction, and they also feel massively dissociated. They say, 314 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 2: you know, I hug my parents or I hug my kid, 315 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: I don't feel any warmth there. I don't feel any connection. 316 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: I hear my favorite song from my youth that used 317 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: to give me prickles on the back of my neck, 318 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: I don't feel that anymore. And so they're massively blunted. 319 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 2: I mean, people have used the term chemical lobotomy to 320 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: describe this before. Now the incidence of that is what's 321 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 2: really important, Like how common is it that people will 322 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: experience enduring sexual dysfunction afterwards? Now, the one stat that 323 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: I'm familiar with is one in two hundred and sixteen, 324 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: and so that's far lower than twenty percent of people 325 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 2: will have this enduring sexual problems. But if you think 326 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: that we've got fourteen percent of the American population taking 327 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 2: these medication, it's actually probably a little bit higher. One 328 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 2: in two hundred and sixteen is a massive amount of people. 329 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about tens and tens of thousands, 330 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: maybe hundreds of thousands of people worldwide with this problem now, 331 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: and that's why you know, you have places like the 332 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 2: PSSD network, which are talking about this. And the last 333 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: point that I want to make here is people are 334 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 2: going to be listening to this and they're going to 335 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: say this is insane. If these drugs were causing permanent 336 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 2: sexual dysfunction in like young people, you know, or just 337 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 2: takers in general, I would have heard about this. It's 338 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: in the labels in the European Union, it's in the 339 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: drug labels in Canada, it's in the drug labels in Australia, 340 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: it's in the drug labels in Hong Kong, and it's 341 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: being considered for the US labels currently. And so this 342 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 2: isn't like a fringe thing. It's just again, it's just 343 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 2: it's suppressed by this same fake argument of compassion, where 344 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: people who have vested interests in say the drugs are safe. 345 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: You know, we're advocating for mental illness. People with mental 346 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 2: health problems are stigmatize. I'm going to shoot down anyone 347 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 2: that criticizes the medications. It's a fake argument of compassion 348 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 2: used to silence people when we really just need to 349 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 2: be honest about this so people have informed consent and 350 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: they can say, well, do I really want to expose 351 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 2: myself to what is probably a rare risk, and many 352 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: people are going to say no, you know one in 353 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: two hundred and sixteen, No, thank you. Let me try 354 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: some other things. First. 355 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 356 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I think that we're not as 357 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: surprised as you think now, because I think there is 358 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: this group of people who have said, this Maha movement 359 00:19:54,920 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: is something different. We're finally learning that there are companies 360 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: out there that are getting to approval for things that 361 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: may be harming us, that the ingredients in our food 362 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: may be harming us, that we haven't been told the 363 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: whole truth. But also I think that this is a 364 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: generation that has seen some of the most horrific psychiatric 365 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: care we have ever seen in our lifetime with the 366 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: transgender movement. And I say that because I've seen these 367 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: people who have parts of their arm removed and have 368 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: these fake penises made, they have their penises cut off, 369 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: and they have fake vaginas made. And anybody who has 370 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: had a surgery and I've had a double mistectomy because 371 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: of my breast cancer, anybody who has had a surgery 372 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: like that where they cut through the nerves, you know, 373 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: you might as well be sentencing to them them to 374 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: a life of no feeling, no intimacy, no romantic relationship. 375 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: What doctor would cut off a person's genitals and tell 376 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: them you can create new genitals and be a different gender, 377 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: because you've just you've destroyed them. There's no creating new 378 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: genitals and there's no recreating nerves. That's not a thing. 379 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean this is such a heavy This 380 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: is such a heavy issue. And you know, I think 381 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: that the folks out there with genders dysphoria, they are 382 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: clearly suffering. But I think everyone would agree that the 383 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: best strategy is to try and have someone feel comfortable 384 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 2: in their own body, in the sex that they were assigned, 385 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 2: and to not expose them to treatments that are irreversible, disfiguring, 386 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 2: and can also impact their fertility long term. I think 387 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 2: one of the problems is, and it never should have 388 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: been like this. The whole issue of transgenderism was swept 389 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 2: up into a political swept up into the political space, 390 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: and because it's talked about so commonly, some people will 391 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: latch onto it as this is the reason why am 392 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: I happy? And if you and if you listen to 393 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 2: stories about people who have regret afterwards, they talk about that, 394 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: They talk about being lost and confused and unhappy and 395 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: being feeling isolated, and they get sucked into these communities. 396 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: They get cheered, they get told you know you're oppressed. 397 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 2: You know this is what's going on. And doctors, thinking 398 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: that they're helping patients, they cheerlead them onto these onto 399 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: these medications and doing these surgeries. I don't really think 400 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: it's in the best interest of most of these patients 401 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 2: going through this, and I think they're doing it out 402 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 2: of political will instead of actually taking the time to 403 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: sit with them and help them love their body and 404 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: find a way to get through whatever challenges that they're 405 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: going through. 406 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: How does a doctor look at a ten year old 407 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: and say I should put them on puberty blockers because 408 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: a puberty blocker, a puberty blocker is just stopping that 409 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: child from going through puberty and having those life change. 410 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: It's not changing their gender. You are stopping a critical 411 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: part of your development. 412 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the problem is is that 413 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: many doctors aren't acting like scientists. They're acting like political activists. 414 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 2: And that's the only reason that I could see that 415 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 2: someone could delude themselves into thinking a ten year old 416 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: can make that kind of decision. 417 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's upsetting. Yeah, it's upsetting. I was thinking this morning, 418 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: I was thinking about doing this podcast, and I was thinking, 419 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, when I was in psychology, I was a 420 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: psych major in college years ago, and we studied the 421 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: DSM for so I don't even know what level you're 422 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: on now. I don't remember transgender. You said gender dys 423 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: for you, I don't remember transgender being in there. 424 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not in their Gender dysphoria is listed in 425 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: the DSM five. And I mean it's I mean, it's real. 426 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: I mean, people are clearly having are very unhappy about 427 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: their identity and their sexuality and all of that. I 428 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: think it's making a lot of people upset. But I mean, 429 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: I don't think the solution is to be deluding people 430 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 2: into thinking that the opposite gender, especially when that comes 431 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: along with medications and potentially surgeries. If this is something 432 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: that does happen, I think it should be rare, and 433 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: I think it should be in adults who have had 434 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: a lot of time to think about it. And I 435 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: mean that's that's I mean, that's my stance on that. 436 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: Well. That so let's talk about that because I do 437 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: think when I mean, when I studied it back in 438 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: the nineties, we were told it's extraordinarily rare, extraordinarily rare. 439 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: It's not extraordinarily rare to hear kids talk about this today, 440 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: But it wasn't extraordinarily rare to hear people talk about 441 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: anarexia in college either, because it was also a social contagion. 442 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: So I remember having that conversation in depth when I 443 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: was at the university. It's like, this can be a 444 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: situation where one girl in a room in college age 445 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: has an eating disorder and then this kind of like 446 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: travels through an entire sorority house or something. This seems 447 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: to be the case with these kids. But I have 448 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: a question for you, because when doctor Urata was on, 449 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: he talked about these sri SSRIs impacting the fetal brain 450 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: and that in animals you could see sexual dysfunction when 451 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: they hit adolescence, when the baby hit adolescence. And we 452 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: have all these kids today that say I'm non binary, 453 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't have a gender, I'm genderless, which I think 454 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: for so long I've been like that since sane It's 455 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: impossible that you can think that you're generless until I 456 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: started to listen to this, and maybe I'm crazy too, 457 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: But I started to listen to this, and I thought, 458 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: I've heard stories of men who have said I was 459 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: fully attracted to my wife. I thought she was super hot. 460 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to have sex with her all the time. 461 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: It went on these drugs and I had no interest 462 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: in her, and I started to think I must be gay, 463 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: And it struck me how does that happen? But if 464 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: you suddenly had no interest, your mind could trick you 465 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: into thinking, like why am I no longer sexually? Sexual 466 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: attraction is so core to who we are and our relationship. 467 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: I mean, that is what why two people say I 468 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: will commit to you the rest of my life is 469 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: because we connect on that level in such an amazing way. 470 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: You know, I have such attraction to you, I want 471 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: to be with you. To have no attraction it makes 472 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: me think, could these children who have been affected either 473 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: by this in the womb or I mean you were 474 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: talking about kids are as young as six going on 475 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: an SSRI. Could this permanent sexual dysfunction? Because in kids, 476 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: once they get to adolescents, to say I'm really not 477 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: into sex, I don't even understand it. I must be 478 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: non binary. 479 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you've gone off the deep end 480 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: with this tutor. And I'm going to lay out the 481 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: bread crumbs so you know, your audience can make up 482 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: their own mind. So firstly, you know these drugs are potent. 483 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 2: They've got sexual dysfunction and seventy percent of people. That's 484 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 2: not a surprise. They are used sometimes for people who 485 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 2: have a history of being sexual predators. They've gone to jails, 486 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 2: like the judges will say you have to take an SSRI, 487 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 2: you know, because it blunts sexual desire, and they believe 488 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 2: it will lead to less recidivism. And so these are 489 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 2: even used for things like pedophilia. All of that. I mean, 490 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: it's a dark side there. But the point I want 491 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: to make is they are they potently disrupt sexual functioning. Now, 492 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: because we can't do like a placebo controlled trial in 493 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 2: humans due to ethical reasons, we do them in animals. 494 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: And here's what they found when they look at what 495 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: happens to mice who are exposed to SSRIs in utero 496 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: and in the very early stages of development when their 497 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: brain is undergoing a lot of changes. The mice who 498 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 2: are exposed to SSRI medications go on to have a 499 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 2: higher rate of autistic like behaviors and reduced sexual engagement. 500 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: They mate less than the other ones. Okay, and so 501 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: your question might be, then, well, what happens in humans? 502 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 2: You know this is mice. I mean, for me, I 503 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 2: would be concerned enough looking at the mice, but I 504 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: get that that's a valid arrangement. Is this potent enough 505 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: to affect humans? There have been twelve MRI studies where 506 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: we look at the brains of kids who are exposed 507 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: in utero to those who are not exposed in utero. 508 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: Done very well, controlling for factors like maternal depression, which 509 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: which can make things confusing, but essentially it's good studies. 510 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: There are structural changes in the brains between the kids 511 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: who are exposed and not exposed. Do these persist to adolescents? Well, yes, 512 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: when we look at adolescents who are exposed in utero, 513 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: they actually have altered changing in their amigdala, which is 514 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: the area of the brain that controls anxiety and fear. 515 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: The processing is different to the kids who were not exposed. 516 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: And so when I kind of well, the other thing 517 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: is and I have heard cases just like yours. I've 518 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: spoken to two gentlemen who are heterosexual, and when they 519 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: developed PSSD, they started to question their sexuality because they 520 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: were just very confused because they were not aroused by 521 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: women they previously would have found very arousing. And so 522 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: when I kind of piece this together, Okay, we have 523 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: this animal study, we have clear signs that are showing 524 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 2: changes in the brains of infants. It's progressing all the 525 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: way to adolescence. I have some case reports where men 526 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 2: are starting to question their sexuality because of this. You 527 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 2: can't help but kind of link that together and think, 528 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: could what we're seeing now be a result of SSRI 529 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: medications hitting the market in the early nineties, making billions 530 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: for pharmaceutical companies, you know, where Like you know, fifteen 531 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: percent of people are taking these medications now, and I 532 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: think it's anywhere from three percent to ten percent of 533 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 2: pregnant women are taking any depressants during their pregnancy. It's 534 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: a wide range, but that's still a substantial amount. Think 535 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 2: about anywhere from three to ten percent of pregnant women 536 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 2: are on these medications that are impacting the brain during 537 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 2: its most sensitive time of growth, where it's going from 538 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 2: a speck to a fully formed brain. I don't think 539 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: it's a stretch to think that we may be leading 540 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: to people being asexual, people being more confused about their sexuality. 541 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: That could be kind of caught up into the transgender thing, 542 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 2: especially with the political climate right now. I mean to 543 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: me that that seems possible. 544 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 545 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: a Tutor Dixon podcast. It's interesting because as we look 546 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: at this, I think all of us have said, what 547 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: is happening? How is it suddenly that all of these 548 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: kids don't know their identity, they don't know their gender, 549 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: they can't decide who they want to have a romantic 550 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: relationship with. So I do believe that there is a 551 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: component that's social. And I think that as we've watched 552 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: the political spectrum and the political powers get involved in 553 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: this discussion, it's almost like a you hold someone up 554 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: as like the mascot of your party, right, this is 555 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: we are for this, Yeah, but it's the people who 556 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: are living this are struggling. I mean, they're hurting, And 557 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: if we're honest about mental illness, we would say that 558 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: it's painful and we deserve, or these people deserve for 559 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: us to step out of the political discussion and look 560 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: at this from a scientific standpoint and ask is there's 561 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: something that could potentially be causing this that causes people 562 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: a lot of pain. I mean, if you don't think 563 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: that you have attraction to someone, it's a very lonely life. 564 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: And I will get in trouble for saying that, Oh 565 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: my gosh, she shouldn't say that people shouldn't live alone. Well, 566 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean, but we're not biologically meant to. 567 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: No, No, I mean, it's one of the its. It's 568 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 2: one of the legs on the on the chair of 569 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: mental health, you know, is mutually satisfying romantic and platonic relationships. 570 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a core part about being human. And 571 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: if we're going to destroy that for people, another part 572 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,239 Speaker 2: of it is having a family for many people. If 573 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: we're going to put people in medications that impact their 574 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 2: fertility as well, we are really lopping off these very 575 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: very valuable legs on this still that kind of keeps 576 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 2: us mentally well. And listen, I won't say I'm an 577 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 2: expert on the behavioral outcomes data for post pre and 578 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 2: post transitioning, but from the people that I do listen 579 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: to who do follow that, it's not great. This isn't 580 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 2: leading to better mental health. This isn't leading to reduced suicide, 581 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 2: and I think that should be cause for concern and 582 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: really make people left and right look at this and 583 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 2: just say, is this really helping people their outcomes because 584 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: a lot of threats are thrown around if you don't 585 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: cheer lead people onto the medications, if you don't support 586 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: them through their transition, would you rather have a dead 587 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 2: child or a transgender child? Is the argument from the 588 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 2: people I trust who look at this. They're saying that 589 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 2: there's no improvement in the mental health for many of them. 590 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: And it doesn't surprise me. I mean, you could have regret. 591 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 2: You're also taking medications which do not work great in 592 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: the long term, hormonal medications which can be very disrupting 593 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: to your mood. It's just filled with land mines. That 594 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 2: there's so many landmines there that can lead to worse 595 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: mental health outcomes. And I think sharing this on because 596 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 2: of your political position, that that's not compassion. I think 597 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 2: that that's something else. 598 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: I think that's the critical point here is that it's 599 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: not compassion. It's very hard for the people who have 600 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: been through this and feel that they've been damaged by 601 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: medications and I'm talking about more than transgender because, like 602 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: I said, when we started this, the number of people 603 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 1: that have reached out to me and said my life 604 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: is I've lost my life. One person described it as 605 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: living dead, feeling like you are the living dead because 606 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: not only do you have the sexual dysfunction and no 607 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: ability to be aroused or no ability to One person said, 608 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: I have an organ and I have no physical or 609 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: emotional reaction to it anymore, and I'm just devastated by it, 610 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: and I can't imagine this. Another person described it as 611 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: it's not even just that I don't have a reaction 612 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: to my sexual intimacy with my spouse. I don't have 613 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: any reactions. I have a total numbness. So I'll just 614 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: end by asking you what is the answer to getting 615 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: the medical community to step up and say this is 616 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 1: a last resort we want to be and not only 617 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: is medication like this a last resort, but we will 618 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: also heavily monitor anyone who goes on it, because I 619 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: think you have that first six weeks to say, as 620 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: we see those changes, if they are significant, this isn't 621 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: right for you. 622 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, as someone that's been sort of in 623 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 2: this fight since twenty seventeen. You know, I've seen a 624 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 2: lot of things, and ultimately the way I start to 625 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 2: look at this problem is an it's who has the 626 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 2: bigger microphone now. You know, for the longest time, the 627 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 2: pharmaceutical industry, you know, the American Psychiatric Association, the groups 628 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 2: who you know, had an agenda to position these drugs 629 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 2: as look much safer than they are and the problem 630 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 2: as being something requiring drugs. They have been controlling the narrative. 631 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 2: They've had the war chest. We have a very unique 632 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 2: moment right now with Bobby Kennedy at the head of HHS. 633 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 2: He's installing people who are going to be able to 634 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 2: change things. I think we need we need government behind this. Really, 635 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 2: I think we need sober eyes with authority behind this 636 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 2: to put out messages which cannot be refuted by the 637 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 2: propaganda coming out of these other groups. I think we 638 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 2: need new leadership at the National Institute of Mental Health. 639 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 2: Up until now, they have just been obsessed with finding 640 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 2: biological markets for drugs when they really ought to be 641 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 2: obsessed with looking at non drug approaches to mental health. 642 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 2: We've never had a study looked at things like nutritional interventions, 643 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 2: you know, relationship coaching, work, coaching, these these things that 644 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 2: are really intuitive that everyone's grandma would agree agree with. 645 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 2: We've never had a head to head study where they've 646 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 2: looked at that against standard of care SSRIs over time, 647 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,399 Speaker 2: where they actually measure outcomes that people care about. Most 648 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 2: people don't want to be just like numbed out. They 649 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,439 Speaker 2: want to have better relationships, they want to have work 650 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 2: that they find satisfying, they want to feel healthy. And 651 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 2: so it's it's it's so big, but we're heading in 652 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 2: the right direction now, and so I mean, get out. 653 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 2: I'd say vote, you know, support your congress people and 654 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 2: your senators who care about this issue, and support Bobby 655 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 2: because he is taking the reins right now and he's 656 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 2: trying to change things. And I'm really happy to be 657 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 2: involved in that movement. 658 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to hear from you as I listened 659 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: to this is a potential answer to so many of 660 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: the questions we have. Why are our kids so sad? 661 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: Why are mayor is breaking up? Why is violence increasing? 662 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: All these things, so many of them could be connected 663 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: to how we treat our bodies. And I always tell 664 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: my girls, you get one, you only get one. You 665 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: have to take care of it. Make sure you're taking 666 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: care of your teeth, make sure you're taking care of 667 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: your body. You don't get to go back, you don't 668 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: get a do over. It's not like in a video 669 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: game where you get another life. You know, you have 670 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: to be able to take care of what you have, 671 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: and we just don't talk about that enough, but you 672 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: are talking about it. We so appreciate the fact that 673 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: you are talking about it. Tell people where they can 674 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: follow you, because I do think that you're putting out 675 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: great content every day. 676 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, So our biggest channel is YouTube, and so 677 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 2: it's doctor Joseph, but it's spelt in the German way, 678 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 2: so instead of a pH at the end, it's an 679 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 2: F where on all social media channels. If you're someone 680 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 2: who's interested in coming off medications, you potentially like to 681 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 2: consider working with me. My team is at the Tape 682 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 2: is at taperclinic dot com. We work in the fourteen 683 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 2: largest US states. If you're an international listener, you're listening 684 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 2: in a different state. If you go to the contact 685 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 2: us section on my website, there are links to directories 686 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,919 Speaker 2: for a whole range of different doctors that do psychiatric deprescribing. 687 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 2: They're really passionate about finding other ways to deal with 688 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 2: mental health apart from just medications. Check them out there 689 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 2: and and yeah, that's that's where you can find me 690 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,879 Speaker 2: and where you can go for help. 691 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: I think that's a critical conversation to have because people 692 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: are looking for where I've never heard of a place 693 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: like this before. We I mean, I know that we've 694 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: had people in our family that have been like, how 695 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: do I I don't know how to get off. I 696 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,399 Speaker 1: can't get off. That's a common concern. I can't. And 697 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: another common concern I will say is that when you 698 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: try it yourself. I've heard my normal is so bad 699 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: because I missed a dose and I immediately felt like 700 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: I want to kill myself. I'm so sad. And it's 701 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: it's something to remember for everybody who's out there that's 702 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 1: not you're normal. 703 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, like a PSA quickly before we wrap, is that 704 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 2: many people need to come off these medications over a 705 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 2: long time. This might be a year, sometimes it could 706 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 2: be longer. Not everyone has highly elastic brains where they 707 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 2: can come off the meds and in two months they're fine. 708 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 2: In fact, a lot of people it takes much longer. 709 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 2: Don't be dissuaded. Don't think you need to stay on 710 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 2: the medication for the rest of your life. Don't let 711 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 2: someone tell you, oh, you know, because you couldn't come 712 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 2: off in a couple of months, you have a serious 713 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 2: chemical imbalance and you need to stay on it forever. 714 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 2: There are ways to gradually lower the medications down safely 715 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 2: so your life doesn't fall apart. And if you're interested 716 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 2: in that, that's what my whole YouTube channel is about. 717 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 2: We give out free information about how to do safe 718 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 2: and slow tapers. You could do it with your own doctor, 719 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 2: and there is a way off if that's something that 720 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 2: you want. 721 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 1: I smiled when you said the part about don't let 722 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: someone say to you if you had trouble getting off, 723 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: you must need to go back on, because we've experienced 724 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: that in our lives, and that is incredibly frustrating to me, 725 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: because I do think that there are some medical professionals 726 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: out there that you're a consistent appointment. If you're on 727 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: a med you consistently pay your paycheck, and that's frustrating 728 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: to me. But I appreciate what you do. I'm so 729 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: glad you were here. Honestly, I could have talked to 730 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: you for another hour, so we'll have to have you 731 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: back doctor Joseph Witt during make sure people check him out. 732 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: If you have somebody in the situation you heard where 733 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: you can get help. We so appreciate you being on today. 734 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: Thank you. 735 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 2: I'd love to come back, and thanks so much for. 736 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,760 Speaker 1: Having me absolutely and thank you all for listening today. 737 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: Remember you can go to the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 738 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: or you can watch the video on Rumble or YouTube 739 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: at Tutor Dixon. But make sure you join us next 740 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: time and have a blessed day.