WEBVTT - Shadoe Stevens

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<v Speaker 1>The Craig Ferguson Fancy Rascal Stand Up Tour continues throughout

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. For a full list of dates and tickets,

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<v Speaker 1>See you out there, the Greig Ferguson show dot com

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<v Speaker 1>slash Tour. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast is Joy. I talk to interest in people

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<v Speaker 1>about what brings them happiness. Here's Shadow Stevens. He was

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<v Speaker 1>the announcer on my old late night show. But he's

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<v Speaker 1>been the announcer on so many different shows, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>done so many things, and to be honest, so many drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to this and enjoy. All right, So America knows

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<v Speaker 1>you as Shadow Stevens. I know you is Shadow Stevens.

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<v Speaker 1>I also, by the way, let me just apologize if

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<v Speaker 1>you're watching this as opposed to listening to it, it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like we're in a dental of his waiting room

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit pretty much. Yeah, I'm sorry, but that

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<v Speaker 1>we have a plant here. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you remember magazines. Remember magazines, it was like a blog

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<v Speaker 1>but papery. Sure, right, Well they used to have magazines

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<v Speaker 1>and old magazines in the dental office. Life, Life, What

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<v Speaker 1>was the other people magazine? People? People like us Weekly? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the stars, they're just like us. Yeah. Look, American always

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<v Speaker 1>used shadows Stevens, I know, used Shadow Stevens. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>how you started out. No, like you were Terry instead

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Proud Norwegian name, right, So your people are from Norway, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but you grew up in Jamestown, North Dakota.

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<v Speaker 2>The cattle and the wheat and the folks that can't

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<v Speaker 2>be beat and also the Gota North Dakota. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>was a song when I was growing up. They had

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<v Speaker 2>a contest for people to come up with the North

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<v Speaker 2>Dakota song, and the one that won and was you

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<v Speaker 2>ought to go Hotel North Dakota. See the cattle and

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<v Speaker 2>the wheat, the folks that can't be beat. Even as

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<v Speaker 2>a child, I thought that's.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's interesting. I heard that song and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt a little bit like I should become a serial

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<v Speaker 1>killer just hearing that. It's because it is it's a

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<v Speaker 1>dark place. Well it can be certainly in the winter.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's what I always think it's about, Like Scotland

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<v Speaker 1>and like people forget. It just gets dark in the

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<v Speaker 1>wintertime all the time, and it makes you crazy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no sun, no sun, and just and grace. Guys

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<v Speaker 1>that go on for.

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<v Speaker 2>Back there are tough. Yeah, they're tough, way tougher than me.

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<v Speaker 2>I have two brothers that still live there, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>tougher than me.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, they do it. You have people fat farmers. No. No.

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<v Speaker 3>And I grew up in really Norman Rockwell.

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<v Speaker 2>I had an amazing childhood, in fact, so amazing that

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<v Speaker 2>I was embarrassed to talk about it for a long

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<v Speaker 2>time because people talk about how tragic their childhood was

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<v Speaker 2>and how they were beaten. And my parents didn't drink

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<v Speaker 2>or smoke or use drugs or curse or fight in

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<v Speaker 2>front of the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>My parents own toy stores, clothing stores.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's say in the bar too high.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My dad was a basketball star called the Hooker.

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<v Speaker 2>He could make hook shots from center court and he

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<v Speaker 2>was a North Dakota legend. And then he went into

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<v Speaker 2>business and he started Tiny Town, which was a little

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<v Speaker 2>tiny store with children's clothes. Then he moved into clothing,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he moved into toys. Then he moved into

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<v Speaker 2>go kart tracks, and then he we had firework stands

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<v Speaker 2>on the Fourth of July and of the five kids,

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<v Speaker 2>each child would run a different fireworks stand. We had

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<v Speaker 2>the fireworks displays on our street, with the leftover fireworks

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<v Speaker 2>from the firework stands we would bring down to our house.

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<v Speaker 1>So I always thought that your childhood was very rural.

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<v Speaker 1>But doesn't sound that rural.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like a fifteen thousand people, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all my friends were pretty much farmers and you

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<v Speaker 2>know or we worked on farms.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you walked on farms. I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I did, and I came to the meaning of life.

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<v Speaker 2>I should tell you about the when I worked for

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<v Speaker 2>the aliens.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, you should definitely tell me about that.

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<v Speaker 2>My friends and I one summer worked for these aliens

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<v Speaker 2>in spirit Wood, North Dakota. Now automatically you think, hmm,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like a twilight zone.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a spirit Wood?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, in an area there's Spiritwood Lake and then

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<v Speaker 2>there is spirit with the town, which was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a granary and.

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<v Speaker 3>A couple of shops or something. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And he had a big farm and they were a

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<v Speaker 2>little family of little they looked like what people called grays.

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<v Speaker 2>They had skulls that mushroomed and.

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<v Speaker 1>All of them. So they were aliens.

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<v Speaker 2>Well at the time, we just thought they were unusual, right,

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't really think about that. And we went out

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<v Speaker 2>and we would work on and hauling bales of day

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<v Speaker 2>all day long, and you'd grab them with two hooks

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<v Speaker 2>and lift them up into the truck from five in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning until eight at night. And we would go

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<v Speaker 2>back to the house and have Thanksgiving every day, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was turkey and it was roast beef, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was pies and everything, and all my friends every day

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<v Speaker 2>and all my friends were there. Was really hard work,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, out in the sun, and we would sit

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<v Speaker 2>and we would joke, and the alien father would sit

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<v Speaker 2>and he was very quiet man, and he would go

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<v Speaker 2>and we would say, like, the punchline is so he said, Zenith,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody was like and he would go, and then

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<v Speaker 2>every few minutes for the next five or ten minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>he would go and see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been doing that my whole life. So now where

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<v Speaker 1>are they from? These is okay, I'm gonna tell you. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>For years, I remembered them as having a very rape

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<v Speaker 2>Bradbury Twilight Zone name, and I couldn't remember, and no

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<v Speaker 2>one that I talked to could remember people I talked

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<v Speaker 2>to in the town. And five years ago, finally I

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<v Speaker 2>realize I have to talk to my friend Ray Bookley,

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<v Speaker 2>who worked on the farm with me, And I called

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<v Speaker 2>him in Missouri and I said, Ray, you remember the

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<v Speaker 2>aliens we worked for, the guys with the mushroom heads,

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<v Speaker 2>And he goes, yeah, and he said, I've been trying

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<v Speaker 2>to think of their name. And I put it in

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<v Speaker 2>my book and my contact lists so that I would

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<v Speaker 2>never forget. Because what he said was, oh, you mean

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<v Speaker 2>Virgie Shock, Virgie.

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<v Speaker 1>Shogi Shock got the name of the Shock he worked

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<v Speaker 1>for the show.

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<v Speaker 2>And Virgie like Virgie on the verge of Shock, and

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like a name an alien would make it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Virgie Virgie should probably show for Verga.

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<v Speaker 2>No one knows whatever happened to them. Nobody knows about

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<v Speaker 2>him in town. They're not around anymore. Nobody remembers them.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they may have erased there. Oh you think

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a man in black thing? Maybe, Okay, can't

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<v Speaker 1>be sure. So so what why did they have Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 1>dinner every day? I'm kind of like, I'm sorry to

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<v Speaker 1>be Larry King about this, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's very hard work, and this is all high

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<v Speaker 2>school students who need to eat a lot, apparently, but

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<v Speaker 2>it literally was. It was turkey, and it was roast beef,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was pies and corn and potatoes and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and we would eat and eat and eat.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. But I get that, But do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>they came to our planet because they really liked Thanksgiving dinner?

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<v Speaker 1>That was?

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<v Speaker 3>We may be being groomed, I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Right, So you work in there and they obviously

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<v Speaker 1>they want hay or something like that, and you're working

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<v Speaker 1>for the aliens? How how do you get from this

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<v Speaker 1>idyllic Norman Rockwell style childhood and you start, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you start looking towards California and Hollywood and the

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<v Speaker 1>time of life as what's the ear, what's the day?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on with you?

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<v Speaker 2>At the beginning, Well, the very first thing that happened

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<v Speaker 2>when I was two years old, my mother taught me

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<v Speaker 2>how to play records on a record player, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was obsessed apparently from the very beginning. Put a record on,

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<v Speaker 2>play it home, man, It's the greatest, started over again.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she taught me to do you can get

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<v Speaker 1>a residency in Las Vegas. Now, just doing that I unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that didn't work for me. I was that age,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was obsessed with all this. And I discovered

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<v Speaker 2>my dad's tape recorder when I was eight years old,

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<v Speaker 2>and I started recording stories on the tape recorder and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was fascinated by it.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were probably terrible, but I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Hooked and I would edit them together by pausing the

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<v Speaker 2>tape recorder and add another piece and be able to

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<v Speaker 2>tell a story. And then my uncle, who owned radio stations,

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<v Speaker 2>discovered that I loved this, and he sent me a

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<v Speaker 2>kit that would allow me to broadcast into another room.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was magic to me. What did you when

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<v Speaker 2>this is radio show? I was ten years old and

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<v Speaker 2>I soldered this thing together and I and then.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to you had a ten years old?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got a soldering iron and then I put

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<v Speaker 2>it all together, and I went to the local TV

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<v Speaker 2>shop and I said, how do I soup this up?

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<v Speaker 3>They go, well, you can't answer, and you have to

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<v Speaker 3>put up a big antenna.

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<v Speaker 2>So I crawled to the top of our three story

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<v Speaker 2>home with a wire in my teeth and a hammer

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<v Speaker 2>in my pocket and crawling.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, I'm beginning to think it is a normal

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<v Speaker 1>rubble childhood, because you get a ten year old kid

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<v Speaker 1>climbing up an antenna hanging upside down. Nobody's hammer. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Put the antenna to the top of the of a

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<v Speaker 2>tree in the backyard so I could broadcast a mile

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<v Speaker 2>in every direction. And as a result, and I did

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<v Speaker 2>this every day, I played, you know, I had my

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<v Speaker 2>radio station. And they interviewed me on the Man on

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<v Speaker 2>the street and uh, a local radio station, and they said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you interested in? Well, art and right radio

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<v Speaker 2>really yeah, And I tell them about my pirate radio station,

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<v Speaker 2>and they got really interested. You said you should come

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<v Speaker 2>down here, mabe, we'll put you on the air. So

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<v Speaker 2>then at eleven they put me on the air and

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<v Speaker 2>put it in the paper as the world's youngest dis

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<v Speaker 2>Jackie to have my picture with my stack of forty

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<v Speaker 2>five's and a big smile and a microphone just like this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, an inch away.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was like the beginning of it beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>And I did that for a couple of years and

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<v Speaker 2>then work part time and then went to the University

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<v Speaker 2>of North Dakota to study art.

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<v Speaker 1>Art it was an art major for three years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know, I know that you still pain and

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<v Speaker 1>you still yeah, well, I do more multimedia.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm kind of captured by putting the ideas together

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<v Speaker 2>that you know don't necessarily go together.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. See, now, the thing is that I know about

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<v Speaker 1>you that maybe some people don't know about you, is

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<v Speaker 1>how diverse and wildly creative you're out who is because

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<v Speaker 1>you would come to you go through being the world's

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<v Speaker 1>youngest desk joky. Then you you end up in Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>to do what to do radio? Here?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, I'll make it real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the University of Arizona for two years

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<v Speaker 2>and then I majored in drama and journalism. So I

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<v Speaker 2>learned to perform and to write. And then I got

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<v Speaker 2>a job, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you could report on your act.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah both, I'm covering my bases, write your own reviews.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I was hired in Boston and got real,

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<v Speaker 2>real successful in Boston, and thirty three percent of all

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<v Speaker 2>people listening to radio were listening and you're playing rock

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<v Speaker 2>and roll ricks top forty station. And I started doing

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<v Speaker 2>television there as well. Okay, and then a year later

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<v Speaker 2>I was brought out to Los Angeles, and I've been

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<v Speaker 2>here ever since. I came to the biggest radio station

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<v Speaker 2>in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>KHJ, So this is what like seventies, This is like

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the guy who had put me on television

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<v Speaker 2>in Boston was now the producer of the Steve Allen Show,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he hired me to be Steve Allen's sidekick

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<v Speaker 2>on camera announcer, talk things over, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>All that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I was way out of my element. I sweated like

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<v Speaker 2>like Albert Brooks. And what was that movie? Broadcast News?

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<v Speaker 2>Broadcast News? It was me, said the makeup artist, who

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<v Speaker 2>come over here, you really perspire. You have no idea,

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<v Speaker 2>it's silked underneath.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happens? But you've become very successful at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I also know about you that you have not

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<v Speaker 1>only do you have a great deal of poisonive energy,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a great deal of negative energy, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>you you have you have a self destructive mechanism in

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<v Speaker 1>there as well? Is that beginning to kick in at

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<v Speaker 1>this point as well?

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<v Speaker 2>It was starting. It was when I went to the

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<v Speaker 2>University of Arizona. I discovered a wonderful drug called despute.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't even heard of that. Yeah, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>brilliantly subtle combination of methamphetamine and barbiturate, so it would

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<v Speaker 2>give you the energy and take off the edge. And

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<v Speaker 2>you could get a bottle of two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>in a prescription.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got a lot done. I felt good about it.

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<v Speaker 2>While I felt good about it, it was good for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, it was highly abused and then discontinued.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I missed out a little bit. I

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<v Speaker 1>never go at desput all. It sounds like a like

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<v Speaker 1>a prescription speedball that would like right.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you did more, of course, there is a

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<v Speaker 2>learning curve and then things get dark. But then a

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<v Speaker 2>guy says, you know, you got to try some weed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's like some plant. It doesn't lead to heroin.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do it, and I smoke this hookah and

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<v Speaker 2>I no, I'm in the ceiling, moving with the music,

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<v Speaker 2>and I understand that this is like trying to explain

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<v Speaker 2>the color blue to a blind.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, experiential.

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<v Speaker 2>And I bought announced that night, and within a month

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<v Speaker 2>I bought a pound.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I moved to.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of what kind of weed are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Like just like I don't know what it was, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like hashish or Anathan.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was just grass in a big four foot

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<v Speaker 2>tall hookah with multiple tubes and black light posters.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting you talk about because people that do

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<v Speaker 1>weed and and everybody does weed. Now everyone it's like

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<v Speaker 1>America reeks of marijuana. Like you're going in the city,

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<v Speaker 1>everything everywhere smells like marijuana. People who take marijuana always

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<v Speaker 1>say it's organic, like, so it's not dangerous. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>so many I don't know if you've seen this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen a lot of people ruin their lives with marijuana.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's so subtle that they don't know that. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I heard someone say it's like being nibbled to death

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<v Speaker 1>by rabbits. It's like, because if you're an alcoholic or

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<v Speaker 1>you take coker heroin, it's pretty obvious they're destroying yourself, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But with my I want to you just destroy yourself

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<v Speaker 1>with smug justification. It seems like over and over it

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<v Speaker 1>telling people's justification. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a certain aloof condescension about the higher state

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<v Speaker 2>of awareness that you're suddenly in.

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<v Speaker 1>I also I also get angry. People do a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of bit, I'm like, do it proper. It's an adolescent drug.

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<v Speaker 1>Do it grown up drug, like coke, coker, heroine, this

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<v Speaker 1>adolescent crap. I can hear the music. Better shut up,

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<v Speaker 1>shut up, get get fucked up properly for God's sake. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So you get a weed and you're and you're like hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know it was, you know, colorful at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>and then by the time I got to Boston, the

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<v Speaker 2>guy says, you're going to try some acid.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what's acid?

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<v Speaker 2>Was like grasps, more intense, last longer. So I did that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the first experience I always tell it the

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<v Speaker 2>same way. I'm double parked on Beacon Hill and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the driver and my friends get out to get donuts,

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<v Speaker 2>and it comes on and my hands are on the

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<v Speaker 2>steering wheel. My friends are skipping down the street slow motion.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going Hi, get in the car. What the what

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<v Speaker 2>is the now? You would think that anybody that had

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<v Speaker 2>any sense would never do that again? Yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>but no, by the time I got to l A

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<v Speaker 2>a year later, we did it every weekend. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>smoking dope every day. Then I get a prescription.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're being very successful at the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, very motivated. I show up and I get things

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<v Speaker 2>done and mostly high.

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<v Speaker 1>You're working eye all the time, Oh yeah, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're so you're playing. Are you doing America's Top

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<v Speaker 1>forty or anything like that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, that was a long time. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>long way to get to that. But you're doing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of drugs. You're doing acid, you're doing you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>the debut. All things gone right, Well that was gone,

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<v Speaker 2>but now it was. It was replaced by a prescription doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that worked for me. Now I went from

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<v Speaker 2>KHJ and I was I quit because they didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>because I was doing television and they didn't promote me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I said, I'm familiar with that situation. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know whether you want to be in radio

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<v Speaker 2>or television. They promote each other. You don't get that.

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<v Speaker 2>And they wouldn't even put it in the contract that

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<v Speaker 2>the next full time or the bigger position that became

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<v Speaker 2>available I would get. So I quit and then I

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<v Speaker 2>was hired by their competition, and within a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>months they made me program director. Okay, and now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to Art Center school part time and I'm happy

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, he gives me this because

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<v Speaker 2>I said we should be playing better music, and he

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<v Speaker 2>liked the research I did, followed the program director and

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<v Speaker 2>made me program director.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're the boss of the radio station and you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting twisted on all sorts of what you can.

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<v Speaker 2>It's starting to amp up right now. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>guys that worked for me, this isn't in la right.

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<v Speaker 2>And one armed man who worked for me said, you

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<v Speaker 2>know he've got all her responsibilities. You should see my doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Lax. Sounds like a marble marble villain, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's out by the airport. Doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually he was at He was at Wilshire and Losianega,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was the prescription doctors to the stars, and

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<v Speaker 2>he weighed three hundred and fifty pounds and wrote his

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<v Speaker 2>prescriptions on his stomach. And he would go, well you

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<v Speaker 2>at Dexter Dream last month, how about black beauties?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you know, doctor las things are going really well.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm being a lot done.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they have to stay in the studio through the

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<v Speaker 2>night and I've got a lot of people I'm responsible for,

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<v Speaker 2>and i have a little trouble sleeping, and be goes, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you had queludes last month, how about two and on? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be good. And he would sell me poppers

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<v Speaker 2>from behind the desk for cash. Oh, things are nitrate nitrate.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't don't know about that anymore. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's out there anymore. It's very bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but who knew?

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<v Speaker 3>I was doing what seemed like a reasonable thing to

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<v Speaker 3>do at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of these types of drugs. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm no stranger drugs and alcohol, but well I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, you know, but why I never go into

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<v Speaker 1>those kind of like the quayludy type things. I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>people talk about quailuds like kind of like buffers. They

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<v Speaker 1>made you relax and feel really good. I thought they

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<v Speaker 1>just like you if you had the cocaine or if

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<v Speaker 1>you had the you know, speed, you know, you have

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<v Speaker 1>the energy with the chill, it's not getting the way

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<v Speaker 1>of your life at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and then there's the acid every weekend, or a

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<v Speaker 2>psilocybin or pot or you know, little mushrooms that came

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<v Speaker 2>from the Amazon that looked like aliens and you'd eat

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<v Speaker 2>them in your nervous system would turn into rainbows.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, good time. Yeah, so so at this point, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>guessing the stable family life and relationship isn't something that's

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<v Speaker 1>happening for you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's starting to come on glued. I was married to

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<v Speaker 2>my childhood sweetheart and we had a son, and I'm busy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. But this radio station is very, very successful,

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<v Speaker 2>and it beat the station I came out to work for.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I went to k I started k ROCK

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<v Speaker 2>and I was hired. And that's a whole story. We

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<v Speaker 2>could go on for an hour by k Rock. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a stunning story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an institution in this time.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, and at the time it was the brainchild

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<v Speaker 2>of a guy that put together thirteen partners and I

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<v Speaker 2>ran through money like crazy, and.

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<v Speaker 1>This is always big idea craziness.

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<v Speaker 2>Then all that stuff is going on, right Well he yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean pretty much everybody did. And he offered me

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<v Speaker 2>a job from Krola, which which was at the Huntington

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<v Speaker 2>Sheridan Hotel and state of the art studios with engineers,

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<v Speaker 2>to this funky little place in Burbank that he had

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<v Speaker 2>put together. But he said, you know, I'm getting this

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<v Speaker 2>FM station and I want you to do something original

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<v Speaker 2>like you did for kr OLA on FM.

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<v Speaker 1>And what kind of car. Are you like porsia? Got it?

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<v Speaker 1>What color? Wow? Sorr.

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<v Speaker 2>He gives me this forture and I'm making money and

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<v Speaker 2>going over there and waiting for the FM.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you doing coke at this point? Then there's coke coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Out, not very often, all right, it was mostly you know,

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<v Speaker 2>speed and weed.

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're just speeding weed, but I want to try

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<v Speaker 1>and figure out how you get from that to stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like the Tracks movie and the Bay kind of mainstream stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's fast forward, right, Okay, So there's you know, your

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<v Speaker 1>America's Sweetheart in Hollywood Squares and you're doing America's Top four.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that? Did How did you get from like

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<v Speaker 1>drug fueled, crazy alien mushrooms to be in more mainstream?

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<v Speaker 1>What's what's the what's the bridge?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I went through radio, had big success,

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<v Speaker 2>quit in rages, and started my own production company. I

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<v Speaker 2>ended up doing you know, commercials I did the Blues

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<v Speaker 2>Brothers movies and Fast Time at Bridgemont High in forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight hours.

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<v Speaker 1>You're doing commercials for these movies, doing commercials.

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<v Speaker 2>I did the whole advertising campaign, right, And then I

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<v Speaker 2>did this Federated where I sold them this idea of

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<v Speaker 2>a fast talking dan Ackroyd basmatic pitchman. We talked a

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<v Speaker 2>mile a minute, and then at the end it was

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<v Speaker 2>my original idea was we just say we smash prices.

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<v Speaker 2>And I smashed the TV with a circus hammer, and

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, well, that's fun. Well let's do that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, if I do it and it's successful,

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<v Speaker 2>will you give me creative control? Because I never don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do the same thing twice if people want.

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<v Speaker 1>To kill me.

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<v Speaker 2>And he rolled his eyes, went fine, and then business

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<v Speaker 2>went up five hundred percent the first weekend, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was off and running and I ended up doing eleven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred commercials for them. We would do four to eight

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<v Speaker 2>commercials a week for the next seven years.

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<v Speaker 1>These commercials are from movies, right, These are for the

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<v Speaker 1>Federated Group. They were like a best buy Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, right, right right.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're they're they're all like done with me and

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<v Speaker 2>five guys. And during this time, at the beginning of it,

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<v Speaker 2>my drug use got worse and worse, a lot more cocaine.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this is none of the eighties where everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then I basically, you know, got I was

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<v Speaker 2>living in Malibu Canyon and going home and going to

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom for a couple of hours and coming out

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<v Speaker 2>and hearing whisper outside the window, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, anybody else the window? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So I put sheets over the windows and the doors,

0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:05.679
<v Speaker 2>and then I put quilts over the sheets, and then

0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:08.440
<v Speaker 2>I put nails at one inch intervals around the quilts.

0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:12.040
<v Speaker 2>And then I took my twelve gage short barrel and

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:16.440
<v Speaker 2>I walked and I stalked outside to wait confront my destiny.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you are? You armed at this point twelve

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 1>gage short barrel, double lot buck.

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:23.160
<v Speaker 3>You don't have to aim, you just point and pull.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm familiar.

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<v Speaker 2>So I squatted down beneath the bedroom window, and I

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.320
<v Speaker 2>heard a rustle in the bush and I jumped up, screaming,

0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:32.840
<v Speaker 2>now you die, motherfuck, and I chased him through the bush,

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:35.359
<v Speaker 2>but they got away. Yeah, So went back to the

0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 2>bathroom to celebrate and locked the door.

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you gotta celebrate by having more cocaine, because yeah, well.

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:46.359
<v Speaker 2>You lock the door, you put you know, a towel

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.199
<v Speaker 2>under the door, and then run the bath so they

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 2>can't hear you. Now I can have another hit. And

0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:53.440
<v Speaker 2>then I went into convulsions and my head would crack

0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.000
<v Speaker 2>on the floor, crack, crack them So.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a foot blown psychosis. At this point, I am

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 1>way into psychosis. And yet you you're still working and

0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:01.520
<v Speaker 1>making money.

0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 2>It's starting to fall apart. Oh, I have video proof

0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 2>of it. Some of those commercials got tragic. They were

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.560
<v Speaker 2>funny in a really dark and getting darker way, and

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 2>I knew it was falling through my fingers and I

0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:17.479
<v Speaker 2>couldn't And I gained fifty pounds because they didn't stop eating.

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't stop eating. I didn't stop drinking. Now I'm

0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 2>drinking a court a Canadian club at day and covasier

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 2>and tequila and anything anybody put in front of me

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 2>every day.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have to ask you a personal question at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, why aren't you dead?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know, I think about that all

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 2>the time because it got really scary. Most of the

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 2>time I was terrified. I thought people were trying to

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.959
<v Speaker 2>kill me. I was looking, you know, behind me. I

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, trying to lose people in the car,

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 2>or somebody threw a cigarette out in the car in

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 2>front of me.

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I thought it might be a bomb.

0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what was real, and I was literally

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:59.439
<v Speaker 2>did not know what was real. I didn't know if

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:03.880
<v Speaker 2>they were really were people that I could hear. It's

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 2>like outside the window and I'm peeking out there, and

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:10.880
<v Speaker 2>it was terrifying. So my doctor said, if you're lucky,

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you're going to die. You're probably going to have a

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:17.239
<v Speaker 2>stroke or heart attack. You're really out of control. And

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 2>I said, I know, and he said, you got to

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 2>you got to stop.

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 1>I know.

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>But I was so embarrassed that I grew up in

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:28.920
<v Speaker 2>this beautiful childhood. Parents didn't drink or smoke or do anything.

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Did not it take asper.

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:32.359
<v Speaker 1>So your family are still back at home in Northagola,

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and they.

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:36.679
<v Speaker 2>They have a feeling that things are odd, but they

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:40.919
<v Speaker 2>don't really know. And finally, I had an overdose in

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>my studio and my friends found me at four in

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 2>the morning, and they got afraid and they talked to

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:48.640
<v Speaker 2>my family and they ganged up on me and talked

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:50.159
<v Speaker 2>me into going into rehab.

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:51.640
<v Speaker 1>So you got it was an intervention.

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Then they did, and my mother said, you know you've

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 2>got to get help, you know, you maybe Betty Ford

0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 2>or something.

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 3>So I went to Betty Ford and they said.

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 1>Was still around and would come to your house well

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 1>for me.

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 2>But they found me a room in scripts in La Jolla,

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 2>and I went there and I thought I'd give it

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 2>a day. And then my roommate that they gave me

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 2>made me laugh, and that's what it took. It took

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 2>laughing my way forward. And so I'll give it a day. Well,

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 2>I'll give it another day. And we would write poetry

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:28.399
<v Speaker 2>and we would draw and cover the walls, and we

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 2>sit and smoke cigarettes by the window and laugh till

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 2>three in the morning, and then get up at seven

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 2>and start again.

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 1>And you're still in touch with this person.

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 2>I am, And unfortunately he is diminished in his He

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 2>went out a bunch of times.

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 1>So they didn't stay cleans over then.

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 3>He didn't, and entirely he has been for years.

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 2>But then he started having a bunch of seizures and

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 2>so he lives a really quiet, slow life now and

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 2>is not the guy that was going one hundred miles

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.439
<v Speaker 2>an hour and making me laugh all the time. But

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 2>he was really the reason that I got sober. And

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 2>then the counselor came in about two weeks in and

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 2>he said, you know, you've got a lot of anger issues.

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you should get a sense of humor. You don't

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 2>have a sense of humor about who you are and

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>where you've been, what you've done, and where you're going.

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 2>You're in for a rough ride. Life gets tricky. And

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 2>a bell went off in my head and I woke

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:25.119
<v Speaker 2>up the next morning and started meditating.

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:28.399
<v Speaker 1>I'd learned to meditate back with the Beatles. And you

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>meditated with the Beatles.

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, I learned because of them, all right, okay, and

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.560
<v Speaker 2>they it you medicated near the Beatles.

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah.

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 2>And I started meditating and then I haven't stopped for

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 2>thirty eight years. Meditate every day every day. I learned

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 2>deeper kinds of meditation. I meditated last night from three

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 2>thirty until five fifteen in the morning.

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>What does that look like like? The you chant? Do

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>you have? No?

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 2>It's it is a focused kind of meditation. And I

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:57.720
<v Speaker 2>have an ultra that I had built twenty years ago

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 2>by a Chinese artist post Sun, and it's made from

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 2>wood from all over the world, from the Amazon and

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 2>from Africa and the Himalayas, and it's really beautiful. And

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>it's like a jigsaw puzzle with a secret ways to

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:15.959
<v Speaker 2>open the doors and secret compartments and things, and nobody

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 2>sees the inside, but me has things that I find empowering.

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>And I do a focused meditation.

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I ended up.

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 2>It's a kind of a combination between vedanta that I

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 2>learned in the seventies and then self realization crea yoga,

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 2>and it's a highly focused kind of meditation that takes

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 2>you into a breathless state. So you get to a

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 2>place where your body gets so quiet that your fingers

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 2>are numb, and your body feels like it's the skin

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 2>of a soap bubble, you know, maybe a foot away.

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Sounds like that thing you were getting in Arizona that

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 1>was desputal. Yeah.

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's everything I ever wanted in drugs, but with

0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 2>no downside.

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>So this is then, so when your life, when you

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 1>get clean and over, this is when the mid deities.

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now that's when everything changed, right and it literally did.

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 2>I when I got when I came back to La

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 2>I got into martial arts, I started doing yoga, I

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 2>meditated every day, I went to meetings. I was being

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 2>of service. I was happy being alone and not in

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 2>a marriage where I was fighting all the time. I

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to ever have another relationship. And nine months

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 2>into my sobriety, a guy that worked for me met

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful model at the bank and brought her over

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 2>to the studio.

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>They're doing. Now I have to say, I mean, you know,

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm very fond of you, Shadow, but the best part

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 1>of you is Beverly. There's no question. Yeah, yeah, I

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 1>get it. My wife is just a work of hers

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>a spectacular human being. She really tacular human being. Now,

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 1>for people that don't know Beverly, let's talk because she

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I think a law of the joy of your life

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 1>is your is your I mean, when I observe you,

0:30:57.840 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the joy of your life is your wife and kid.

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>You know that it seems to be you. You give

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the most wholesome Christmas cards every year, you and the

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 1>kids all wearing outfits, and I mean it's spectacular. And

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 1>now the grand kids as well, and everyone is very beautiful.

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>They are so talk to me about because Beverly is

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>not just beautiful. He's a very unusual person. Beverly. I

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of halfway think maybe she should be a guest

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 1>here because she could easily be. Yeah, because she has

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>this JOI de vive this joy of life. So what

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 1>happens when you when you meet what's it like?

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 2>You know what it's I walk in the room and

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm happy being alone, remember, and I say, hey, so hi, Yeah,

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 2>and I'm trying to be cool because the most beautiful

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 2>person I've ever seen in my life, and she's African American,

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 2>never occurred to me to date. I just didn't. I

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 2>grew up in North Dakota. There weren't any black people

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 2>in North Dakota. I have no frame of reference at all.

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 2>And I'm looking at this out of the side of

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:01.480
<v Speaker 2>my eye. So why do you play her?

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you should play the assumptions. And she leaves and

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 2>I say who was that? And he says, that's this

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 2>international model. I met her at the bank. Does she sing?

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 3>Get her back? So she came back.

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 2>And at the time, I had sold a project that

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 2>I wrote called Shadow Vision, which is crazy. It's sort

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 2>of like Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy on speed and

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 2>we were doing this jingle in it. The first thing

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 2>we ever did together was to sing oh you perspire, Yeah,

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 2>you perspire, oh and she go, I.

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Go okay, So we did that about it was so funny.

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 1>We've been together ever since, so that I mean, you

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>just get together and magic just now. Is this when

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>your career starts to go in a little more of

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>a mainstream to action then, because.

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, well like right away, because I Federator was

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 2>so popular all over the West Coast. It was the

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 2>most the big the most successful advertising campaign regional advertising

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 2>campaign in US history. And because you couldn't watch television

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 2>without seeing these commercials, and they changed every ten days,

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 2>so there was something new, something new, and they were

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 2>all funny. And as a result of that, I got

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 2>a three picture deal with Dino de la Rentis famous.

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 1>So he gives you, he gives you a three picture

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>deal as an actor.

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, And I'm going off to do this movie Tracks,

0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 2>which was really exciting.

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 1>And the tracks is are real. I mean that that's

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 1>a it's a real find for people. Tracks is very insane.

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>The tracks is t R A x X. Can you

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 1>give us a brief rundown of the synopsis?

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 3>That okay.

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Tracks is was a mercenary who is tired of the

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>mercenary business and he just wants to be the next

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 2>famous Amos. He wants to bake cookies, so he takes

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 2>his savings and goes off to a cabin in Texas

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 2>somewhere and starts baking sushi cookies and puppy swirls. And

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 2>he just thinks these are really creative. They're terrible, and

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:11.399
<v Speaker 2>he runs out of money and he's brought into town.

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 2>He goes into town as a town tamer, a town

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 2>overrun by crime in the mafia, and he goes in

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:18.840
<v Speaker 2>to whip things together.

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Ah right, what's his name? Mike Tracks? No, just Tracks.

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 1>There's a whole bunch of things are really wrong with

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 1>this movie. He didn't even give like a name like

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Bomb Tracks or something like this track Okay, and he

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 1>bakes cookies, but he's a meericinary and he's coming to

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.359
<v Speaker 1>clean up the time. Yeah, so far, I think this

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 1>is a great movie.

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty funny, and I met a lot of people

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 2>who say it's one of their favorite movies of all time.

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Quentin Tarantino at your show, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I said,

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I want to introduce myself. The only guy ever introduced

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 2>myself at your show, And I said, I'm just really here.

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I know you shadows Stevens tracks. Well, yeah, that's funny. No,

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:07.480
<v Speaker 1>it's a great movie.

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 2>It's hilarious, and went, well, you just made my whole life.

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it is a thing people should know about

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 1>that movie, because I haven't seen all of tracks, because

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:19.799
<v Speaker 1>I can't fight all of tracks. Yeah, I did it.

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 2>I cut it down because it had the worst soundtrack

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:25.280
<v Speaker 2>in the history of movies, and I couldn't deal with it.

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 2>It was really badly put together, and it was a

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 2>really funny script, and it was made to be funny.

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh really yeah, absolutely funny and scathingly funny, and it

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 2>would never get made today ever, right, So I cut

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 2>out all the parts that didn't work and just made

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 2>a more contemporary soundtrack and put it up on YouTube.

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Well you're the director of the no. No.

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I went out the first day of shooting

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I had I was all excited. I went out in

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:56.400
<v Speaker 2>this beautiful set of this town and went, wow, this

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 2>is great. And then I see that they have three

0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:03.280
<v Speaker 2>electric chairs in the town square and the villains were

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 2>in three different like those childhood pajamas with the footsies.

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and red, white and blue. And I'm horrified, and I.

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Go to the to the producer and I say, I've

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>got a really good sense of humor.

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 1>What is this? Yeah, people can love this, just that's

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 1>so funny. And I wrote in my journal that night,

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 1>We're doomed. This is never going to work. Out there

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 1>going out and drinking every night and rewriting the script

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and putting in stupid stuff that you can't make this fun,

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>so help you, No, it's not.

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:43.799
<v Speaker 2>And know in fact what happened is that Delorettas the

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 2>company went bankrupt as it was being finalized, and Jay

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Leno had done a movie at the same time, and

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:52.320
<v Speaker 2>they were all like thrown together.

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:54.919
<v Speaker 3>And I think I remember that what was that bought them?

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:57.760
<v Speaker 1>What was Leno's movie? Do you remember? I don't remember.

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:00.839
<v Speaker 1>I think I then know you're talking about the way

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 1>he was like he was also a kind of detectivey, Yeah,

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that was the thing. Then, yeah, yeah, So

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 1>it got bought.

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:14.239
<v Speaker 2>By HBO and they showed it a few times and

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 2>it was deeply disappointed. But at the same time, Hollywood

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 2>squares coming along. Now the guy that put me on

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:23.719
<v Speaker 2>the Steve Allen Show comes back with Hollywood Squares and

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 2>he's going to produce a new Hollywood Squares. And he goes,

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 2>I've got John Davidson and I got Joan Rivers, and

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 2>I want you to do the voice of the show.

0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 2>And I did and it was the biggest hit of

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 2>the year. It's so I was like number one. And

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>he said, we want you to do the show and

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I went, no, I have a shot at acting and

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I really want to try, you know, And if I

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 2>just do another announcing thing, and he goes, well, and

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 2>so I turned it down and then comes back again.

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I turned it down again, and then he came back

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 2>a third time. He said, how about with this, I'll

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 2>put you in the square and we'll make it part

0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 2>of the show. And if you have to leave to

0:37:57.800 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 2>go do like the movie and you come back, would

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 2>you just be, you know, out for a while and

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 2>then come back and tell us what And I went okay.

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 2>And then Hollywood Squares turned into the biggest show in

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 2>the world. It was like the number one show in America,

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:23.320
<v Speaker 2>and none of us saw that coming. So the combination

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 2>of tracks, the disappointment, but then all of a sudden,

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 2>there's Hollywood Squares and then on the top of Hollywood

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Squares comes American Top forty And because you're.

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 1>The voice of American rock and roll at this point,

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 1>then the announcer of American rock and roll.

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, Well, and it was and it grew into

0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:46.399
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and ten countries and for the next seven

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 2>years they flew me around the world to promote the show.

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 2>So I was in Oslo, Norway, and Bali and Tokyo

0:38:55.239 --> 0:39:00.319
<v Speaker 2>and everywhere, and it were and South Africa, and it

0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:03.879
<v Speaker 2>was a really big deal, very exciting and a lot

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 2>of fun.

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Did you have a lot of influence on music at

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 1>that point then? Did you? Were you able to you know,

0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 1>pay can choose? You know.

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 2>The thing about doing American Top forty two is because

0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 2>my entire career has been tongue in cheek, funny, satire,

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 2>parody everything, every radio station, everything I'd ever written, all

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 2>my commercials, everything had always been funny. Now I'm stepping

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 2>into the shoes of the most earnest man in the

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:33.239
<v Speaker 2>history of mankind. Keep your feet on the ground and

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:34.720
<v Speaker 2>keep reaching for the stars.

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:39.239
<v Speaker 1>It's Casey case yeah, right, and the nicest guy in

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 1>the world, and we were friends, had been friends for

0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:43.920
<v Speaker 1>probably a decade.

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 2>But here I am doing it and everybody's paranoid. And

0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:51.360
<v Speaker 2>then they go like, well, I can't do that. So

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the first show that we recorded, the four hour show,

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:57.160
<v Speaker 2>took eighteen hours to record. We had the rewrite every

0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 2>sentence that I did because I couldn't do is that.

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I just it sounded awful talking like that, not like

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 2>I was trying to mimic his voice, but just trying

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 2>to find my own and humor. Okay, So where he

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 2>would say keep your feet on the ground to keep reaching,

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:18.319
<v Speaker 2>so I would say, and remember, if the world is

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 2>your oyster and you can't find your parole, you can

0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:22.480
<v Speaker 2>always have lunch.

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Bye bye out there.

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:27.279
<v Speaker 2>But I also I used to say, your friend and

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:30.719
<v Speaker 2>the void the shadow when they said void.

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:32.959
<v Speaker 1>What the hell? Yeah, No, I like that your friend

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 1>of avoid the shadow. Can you tell me why Shadow

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Stevens by the way, because if you're Terry, Terry Engside

0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:39.400
<v Speaker 1>seems like a perfectly serviceable name to me.

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not exactly a catchy radio name. No, that

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 2>didn't work for me. And and at the beginning I

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:50.960
<v Speaker 2>named myself Jefferson Ka. I always thought, no, that would

0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 2>be like, you know, kind of soulful. And the first,

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 2>the first big radio show I did in Fargo, they

0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 2>put me on and I did all R and B,

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 2>which was all My favorite music was always black music,

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:05.840
<v Speaker 2>so I was like the black DJ Jefferson K on

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 2>KQ W B and Fargo, and then I kept it

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.200
<v Speaker 2>when I went to Arizona. I went to the University

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.879
<v Speaker 2>of Arizona and I was working. I'm still Jefferson K.

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:17.359
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I get the job in Boston. I'm heading across the

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 2>desert in my white Corvette and I stop in Alama,

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 2>go to New Mexico and I get out and I

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:28.920
<v Speaker 2>go to a phone booth and it says Atomic Testing Range,

0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 2>do not enter right across the street. It's like Pivotal

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:34.319
<v Speaker 2>And I call, I say I'm on my way, and

0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:37.400
<v Speaker 2>they go, yeah, look, we're not gonna You're not gonna

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:40.839
<v Speaker 2>be able to use that name. There's a Jess Cain

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:43.839
<v Speaker 2>and the JJ Jeffries, and believe it or not, there

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:47.759
<v Speaker 2>was a Jefferson K here some years ago. So we

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:52.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna change your name. We're thinking of calling you shadow Man,

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:56.919
<v Speaker 2>shadow Lane or something, and went, that's the worst name

0:41:57.040 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 2>I ever heard in my life. I was humiliated. Drive

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:03.719
<v Speaker 2>across country at one hundred miles an hour going Randy Road,

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Lane. I mean, I'm looking for names and billboards

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.319
<v Speaker 2>and signs and trying to think of now the time

0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 2>I get into Boston, I've got I've got a list

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 2>of names that I could live with. And I hear

0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:20.920
<v Speaker 2>on the radio and starting Monday Shadows Stevens sixty eight

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:26.360
<v Speaker 2>wrko No, I mean hell, oh no. And I was

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 2>humiliated and was like, oh God, this is a dumb name.

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 2>And then they would say that's not your real name,

0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 2>is it. So what I did is I came up

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 2>with a backstory that I could live with. And the

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:44.399
<v Speaker 2>backstory was, well, you know, it's Native American. Really, yeah,

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:47.840
<v Speaker 2>do you know what tribe? I go, Well, I'm from

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 2>North Dakota, So I suspect it's Mandan, could be Sue,

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. Oh really, So do you know what

0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 2>it means? Yes, it means he who walks with the light.

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 2>No kidding, This is all a pack of lies, right, Yeah,

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I made it up, but it's true.

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 3>And then it made me. It gave me my sense

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:07.800
<v Speaker 3>of humor.

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:11.240
<v Speaker 2>It gave me a whole way of looking at life,

0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:13.760
<v Speaker 2>and I became it.

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.279
<v Speaker 1>So it was given to me by God. So you

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:20.359
<v Speaker 1>identify as you think of yourself as Shadow, stevensent You're

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:20.719
<v Speaker 1>not Terry.

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh for since probably nineteen eighty.

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for a while, I kept both names, and then

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I was Fred raided, and then it was Terry and

0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Fred and I go to the bank and they go,

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 2>who are you? And I went, I just can't go on.

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 2>And I felt like who I decided to become. So

0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:45.439
<v Speaker 2>I just changed it, you know, legally about nineteen seventy nine,

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 2>I think.

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so now you're clean and sob. You're in Hollywood,

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 1>you and Beverly together, You've had your children, and the

0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 1>greatest moment of your life rives you get the call

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 1>from me to be the announcer. So true, so true.

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:09.800
<v Speaker 2>It was pivotal, And actually it came after a number

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 2>of spectacular failures.

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I had, you know, done.

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Here, I am doing the biggest radio show in the world,

0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:18.759
<v Speaker 2>and they decide to cancel it, to just go into

0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:22.279
<v Speaker 2>distribution and made it so that I couldn't do another one.

0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 1>And the I'm in.

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Top ten sitcom Dave's World on CBS, and that went

0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:33.760
<v Speaker 2>on for four years, and it was great fun.

0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:37.920
<v Speaker 1>And that ended, and that's all right, pull camera sitcom.

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 1>It's the best. Oh wow, it's like a couple of

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 1>days a week, roll in we're a little bit, get

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 1>paid a ton of money there and make people laugh.

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:48.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh it's great, greatest. So they all ended.

0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:54.280
<v Speaker 2>And then my agent, who is Howard Stearn's agent, Don Buckwold.

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 1>He you know what I interviewed with him when I

0:44:56.520 --> 0:45:00.000
<v Speaker 1>first came to Hollywood. Well, yeah, he said I could.

0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like, great, was the same agent as hows that?

0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 1>And then then I never heard from him again. There

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.719
<v Speaker 1>was a guy who worked in his office. Maybe I thought, now.

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:11.319
<v Speaker 2>I might have it worse than that, because I went

0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:14.160
<v Speaker 2>with them and they never did anything. And then they

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.600
<v Speaker 2>asked me after everything fell apart, they asked me to

0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 2>find another agent. And then, of course by that time,

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.959
<v Speaker 2>everything's fallen apart, and I don't like what I'm doing,

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:27.920
<v Speaker 2>So I started a thing called Rhythm Radio based on

0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:30.759
<v Speaker 2>my travels around the world finding all this music and

0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 2>other cultures.

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:33.040
<v Speaker 1>That was really fabulous.

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:37.359
<v Speaker 2>So for the next number of years I created Rhythm

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Radio and we built it up into being on the

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 2>air in thirty countries and on the internet. In seven languages,

0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 2>and we sold it a year title sponsorship to ne

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:52.880
<v Speaker 2>SCFA and then the dot com crash happened and they said,

0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:54.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, the internet's a fluke.

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I thought it was going to be like CB

0:45:56.960 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Radio the internet, like people would kind of come and got.

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it might be here now for a little while.

0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:03.439
<v Speaker 3>I think it's going to probably do well.

0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:06.960
<v Speaker 1>So you when you and I are working together, then

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I quit and then leave you high and try again.

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 1>And that is this when you start what you're doing now,

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.359
<v Speaker 1>which is Mantle Radio, which I did a couple of things.

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:16.040
<v Speaker 2>One of the things I did is I started a

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:19.279
<v Speaker 2>radio station for Sammy Hagar called Cabo Wabbo Radio and

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I designed studios for Cabo Cantina and they had studio

0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:27.840
<v Speaker 2>radio that it was. It was actually really fabulous. Yeah,

0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't give good support from Sammy. We went to

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 2>there was a service called Live Live three sixty five

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 2>that broadcast radio shows and they had our stations and

0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:45.799
<v Speaker 2>they had ten thousand, and we rose to number one

0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:47.760
<v Speaker 2>in just a couple of months.

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:48.440
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 2>The title I came up with was Hot Rock Smuggled across.

0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:54.719
<v Speaker 1>The Border from Mexico.

0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:58.600
<v Speaker 2>And it was all up, all rock, all party, all

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.080
<v Speaker 2>the time, and it was you know, rock with all

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 2>kinds of new rock and old classic but it was

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:07.879
<v Speaker 2>all fun and party music. And I had a guy

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:10.919
<v Speaker 2>to sell it. And I went to Sammy and I said,

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, I got a guy will sell it. And

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 2>he said, I'm not going to pay anybody to sell.

0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 2>So I go back to the guy who had sold

0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 2>all over the world and sold to the Sultan of

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<v Speaker 2>Dubai and to Steve Wynn in Las Vegas, and I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he won't pay you, and he goes, fine, I'll do

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<v Speaker 2>it for free for thirty percent. So I go back

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<v Speaker 2>to sam and he say, you'll do it for three

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<v Speaker 2>for thirty percent. Thirty percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck him, that's what he said. And I went there

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<v Speaker 1>swore yes he did, and he you can't believe in

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<v Speaker 1>anything anymore. I'm I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like Santa Claus turning on yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 2>realized it wasn't going anywhere, so you know, I had

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<v Speaker 2>to let that one go, and then I started early

0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:59.760
<v Speaker 2>mental radio was more like guests and things.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so tell me a little bit. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>play a little of metal radio because I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>quite hard to understand, but can you give me a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of idea of what mental radio is? Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Metal Radio was started at the beginning of the virus,

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 2>when we were all shut down. It was March of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, and I realized everybody's freaking out, and I

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:23.520
<v Speaker 2>was a little edgy myself. And I've got this big

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<v Speaker 2>studio and I thought, I've got to create something funny

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<v Speaker 2>and uplifting, and I don't know what it'll be, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to start writing. And I started writing, and

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<v Speaker 2>I started recording, and then I started like looking for music.

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<v Speaker 2>And I called the guy that was my director and

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<v Speaker 2>federated and he became a really world class music composer,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, I've got all this music I own.

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<v Speaker 2>You can have anything you want, and he opened up

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<v Speaker 2>the library. Now I have cinematic music. And I attracted

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<v Speaker 2>a writing partner, Joshua Weinstein, who is a scriptwriter, and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, here's how you write, here's how I taught

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<v Speaker 2>him how to do it, and we hit it off,

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<v Speaker 2>and now it's become twenty four episodes, eleven hours of

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<v Speaker 2>stories and adventures and cereals with cliffhanger endings and parodies

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<v Speaker 2>and it's quite funny. And if you listen with earphones,

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 2>sounds come from behind you and characters move around in

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<v Speaker 2>your head. It's deeply immersive. And I'll play you this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Melibu Beach Romance Biff Brando, known as Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Coatee Grapple on Loving Tomorrow, the number one soap on television,

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<v Speaker 2>Lives with Piper, A star is so big.

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<v Speaker 3>She only has one name.

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<v Speaker 2>But Biff has a FLINGX Yes, but Biff has a

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<v Speaker 2>fling with a barista and a coffee bean and tea

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<v Speaker 2>leaf and tarzana, and she's named Coco poefs and things

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<v Speaker 2>take a dark turn, very much like fatal attraction.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, this fitchen house catch and rays.

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<v Speaker 2>And there she was Coco. He quickly flecks to six

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<v Speaker 2>pack and smiled back. How could he forget the barista

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<v Speaker 2>from coffee bean and tea leaf and tarzana and need

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<v Speaker 2>flingn in the restroom beneath the hot breath of the

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<v Speaker 2>hand dryer.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I knew I'd find you. Loved the Billo bon

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<v Speaker 4>board shorts. He looks so hot.

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<v Speaker 1>Take a walk, he gazed at her.

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<v Speaker 2>Cadie Moui, Jim Pooh, Kenne Kenny shades ample bosom and

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<v Speaker 2>blonde hair wafting in the wind and flinched. He looked

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<v Speaker 2>back at the house. Lucky that Piper, the love of

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<v Speaker 2>his life, always slept late. He had to get cocoa

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<v Speaker 2>out of here. He jumped off the deck.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, a sack rab move.

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<v Speaker 4>He looks so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, thanks, So what's up?

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<v Speaker 4>I knew you and me were inevitable, biff when you

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<v Speaker 4>ordered that triple shot low fat latte hint of vanilla

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<v Speaker 4>one splendor, and it added up to six sixty six.

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<v Speaker 1>I freaked.

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<v Speaker 4>But when I did the life Path and Destiny on it,

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<v Speaker 4>I realized that the root number was sex plus six

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<v Speaker 4>plus six or eighteen and one plus eight is nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, you're a beautiful woman, but I have a girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 4>I did the eye chain on us. It's at nine

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<v Speaker 4>in the second place means perseverance brings good fortune. So

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<v Speaker 4>I will persevere all over you, FIV.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's that. So it's kind of it's a little

0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:22.839
<v Speaker 1>bit old school radio as well, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to bring you know, radio theater into the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty first century, right and make it and I call

0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:34.160
<v Speaker 2>it genetically altered humor. The whole conceit of it. The

0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:37.880
<v Speaker 2>mythology behind it is that everything comes from a former

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<v Speaker 2>Masonic temple somewhere in Hollywood, and I greet you there

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<v Speaker 2>as the voice of reason in the middle of the madness.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are theaters and labs and laboratories and the

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:51.040
<v Speaker 2>outlook chamber at the top, and it's all kind of

0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:53.719
<v Speaker 2>an allegory for the brain. And we go in and

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<v Speaker 2>we see these stories, these adventures in the theater or

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<v Speaker 2>in the opera house, and they all have messes.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Called doubt and fear and gloom and faith and space

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<v Speaker 2>and time and on and on, and each story is

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<v Speaker 2>something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just play you one other one real quick. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a shorter one.

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<v Speaker 2>Dixon taekwonder Roga is a writer looking for trouble and

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<v Speaker 2>he finds himself in Atrocity, kind of a town like

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<v Speaker 2>the Bronx before it got nice. And he goes to

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<v Speaker 2>Whalen's Kitten Kaboodle and meets a pile of muscles with

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<v Speaker 2>a T shirt named Buddy Malone. Last time he saw

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<v Speaker 2>Buddy was at the Alley cat Bull and food and

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<v Speaker 2>puff and the virus that he had and got a

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<v Speaker 2>jar and Dixon dropped it and the virus got out.

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<v Speaker 2>But now he's meeting buddy again. So what do you

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<v Speaker 2>got going? You heard about the giant lizards and ghosts? Yeah,

0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:51.360
<v Speaker 2>taking over city. I got a blood hornet size of

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<v Speaker 2>a bet and got him down in Argentina doing a

0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:55.719
<v Speaker 2>little ransom the size of a bet.

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<v Speaker 1>He got it here. Yeah, it's out in the truck.

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<v Speaker 2>I followed him outside Whalen's hitting Kaboodle, past the dumpsters

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<v Speaker 2>to Malone's Indigo Blue custom lowered nineteen fifty Chevy three

0:53:06.440 --> 0:53:09.400
<v Speaker 2>fifty fuel injected pickup with flames on the hood and

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<v Speaker 2>just the right amount of pinstripes, And there it was,

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<v Speaker 2>on the real camel colored leather seats. A bell jar

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<v Speaker 2>is so big it took two hands to pick it up. Fins,

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<v Speaker 2>teeth and stingers, stingers like more than one, three rows

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<v Speaker 2>of teeth looking air, and lots of stingers.

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<v Speaker 1>He dropped the jar.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked on at the hornet shark with its bat

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<v Speaker 2>wings flapping and saliva coming out of three sets of teeth,

0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:37.400
<v Speaker 2>and it opened its jaws and flew at my face.

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<v Speaker 2>And suddenly I left my body and I could see

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<v Speaker 2>what was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>In slow motion.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see it for what it was without being afraid,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, wait a minute, it's not like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a rhinoceros.

0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:52.600
<v Speaker 1>They're big and they run.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see it coming at me and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a shark, and it wasn't a bee. It was a

0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:00.520
<v Speaker 2>freak and it was the size of a bat. Joy

0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:04.480
<v Speaker 2>scratched it with my fist and it was stunned, stopped

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<v Speaker 2>in the air, confused, and then it fell to the

0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:11.760
<v Speaker 2>ground for the thunder and I stumped it with my foot.

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<v Speaker 1>And I felt good. Wow. So where where do you

0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:24.040
<v Speaker 1>get this? Where do we find it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's at mental Radio dot net, okay, And there's

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<v Speaker 2>a free app that is for Apple or for Google Play,

0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:36.440
<v Speaker 2>and you can just download it and put on your

0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:38.000
<v Speaker 2>phones or you don't have to listen with your phones.

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:41.279
<v Speaker 2>But it's deeply it's a whole different experience. When you

0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:42.000
<v Speaker 2>listen to their.

0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Phonic experience, it sounds a little bit like it's influenced

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<v Speaker 1>by the noises that you heard outside window window in

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<v Speaker 1>Malibu when you're Psychosis Shadow Stevens, you have been and

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<v Speaker 1>will always remain a joy to me. Thank you for coming

0:54:57.239 --> 0:55:01.880
<v Speaker 1>to me. Thank you I appreciate being here. It is

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<v Speaker 1>not all before,