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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff Mom Never told you?

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Speaker 1: From housetop works dot Com. Hey there, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Molly. Molly. I have

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Speaker 1: one of the saddest questions in the world for you know, well,

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Speaker 1: can you die of a broken heart? You know, it

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Speaker 1: can feel that way sometimes, Kristen, it really can, but

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Speaker 1: only certain people can, which is not a reassuring answer

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Speaker 1: at all. You know, at first I thought would be

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Speaker 1: great if, like, for the first five minutes of this podcast,

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Speaker 1: we just tricked listeners somehow into thinking that we were

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Speaker 1: gonna take this question metaphorically and just talk about our

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Speaker 1: feelings and how it feels like our heart might break.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes That's not what we're gonna do, know, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about like how really like your actual heart muscle

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Speaker 1: can break. Now, when we think of the metaphorical broken heart,

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Speaker 1: we think of being dumped maybe, um, someone a spouse, dying,

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Speaker 1: extreme disappointment. Um. What else the store being out of waffles? Um?

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Speaker 1: So I mean, like there are a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that you say, oh, that broke my heart. Yeah. But

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Speaker 1: normally it's just like, Oh, I'm sad, I'm gonna eat

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Speaker 1: a lot of ice creams. But in a certain subset

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Speaker 1: of people, there's a condition called broken heart syndrome, and

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Speaker 1: it's sort of spurred on by the same things. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you feel extreme emotion or stress after someone died,

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Speaker 1: after you got dumped, um, even just down to the

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Speaker 1: stress of public speaking, uh, learning a new task, that

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Speaker 1: stress can literally break your heart. One old lady got

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Speaker 1: we're talking about today is broken heart syndrome, which is

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Speaker 1: this thing it feels a lot like a heart attack.

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Speaker 1: And but once these doctors got in the emergency room

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Speaker 1: not showing up on the test scans like a heart

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Speaker 1: attack would, right, And the condition is actually called cardiomyopathy

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Speaker 1: and it was first described medically by Japanese doctors. And

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Speaker 1: these Japanese doctors were looking at the shape of these

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Speaker 1: but what's going on is your left ventricle expands. And

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Speaker 1: they got to name it after this octopus phishing device

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Speaker 1: like a pot or a base or a net um.

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Speaker 1: So they originally described it in as tacu supu cardio myopathy.

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Speaker 1: That was probably not pronounced right, but basically it's sword

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you need to be on heart medication

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Speaker 1: And although this is referred to as broken heart syndrome

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Speaker 1: But Molly, it's It's really good though that we are

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