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Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra Podcast. I'm Josh Pat Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for listening. What a loaded show we had the other day.

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Speaker 1: Great feedback on the Tuesday Morning Extra pod got a

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Speaker 1: So yes, we turned things upside down Tuesday. You guys

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Speaker 1: We have a really loaded mailbag this morning. I told

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Speaker 1: think it is Connor, as I scroll as a Corbyn. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, we got a ton of college

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Speaker 1: football to get to. And I'm looking as we speak

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Speaker 1: and that's all I'm saying. Nick leads us off. Nick says,

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Speaker 1: the reason is you, as I say to you all

430
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Speaker 1: the time, you drive the show. And I kind of

431
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Speaker 1: hinted at this the other night. So I'll give you

432
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,439
Speaker 1: a thirty second version. Now, if you could see our

433
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,280
Speaker 1: data and analytics. There has been a surprise, I think

434
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Speaker 1: industry wide, sports media industry wide, there's been a big surprise,

435
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 1: and that is you guys do not care about NIL

436
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 1: from a macro perspective. Now, from a micro perspective, for instance,

437
00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,199
Speaker 1: when a Tennessee unning back ends up signing a seventy

438
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,440
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars per year deal for filling the blank company,

439
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 1: I think that stuff's going to click. I think that's

440
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,920
Speaker 1: going to do some traffic. But broader sense, you guys

441
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 1: have not cared about it. You don't click on it.

442
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Speaker 1: People in our business, other media folks there far more

443
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Speaker 1: likely to click on those stories and videos than you are.

444
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, what you're interested in. The transfer portal from

445
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 1: about a six to one to seven to one ratio

446
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 1: at this point based on our late kick numbers. That's

447
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 1: what you're interested in. So that's why I haven't been

448
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 1: talking a lot of NIL. You don't want to hear

449
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 1: about it. But there is a question here about NIL

450
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,439
Speaker 1: that I think is interesting because it ties right into

451
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Speaker 1: how the nuts and bolts are going to operate, and

452
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 1: it ties right into stuff that you, eventually, I think

453
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Speaker 1: will care about. I'll answer it right after this. So

454
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Speaker 1: here's the question here from Racho nine and the podcast

455
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Speaker 1: review section another five star review, Thank you so much.

456
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Speaker 1: He said, with camp season upon us, as NIL is

457
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 1: about to have a major impact, do you see camps

458
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Speaker 1: as a way for kids to sell highlights in the future.

459
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Speaker 1: For example, someone runs a camp, they give athletes the

460
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 1: ability to own their highlights from it. I think there

461
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: is Let me break this down because I talked to

462
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 1: someone about this last week who is very much in

463
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 1: this business in this world, the NIL world, not the

464
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 1: media world, and what they said was this sounds good

465
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: on the surface, but you got to understand something. The

466
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: novelty will quickly wear off to you having access to

467
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 1: your highlights. Think about cell phone footage. The first time

468
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: you ever saw a cell phone video, it probably blew

469
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: your mind. Wow, this this phone actually has the capability

470
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Speaker 1: to shoot video. So what used to be a camera

471
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Speaker 1: and then this thing attached to my wall, we've combined

472
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Speaker 1: them and it doesn't have to be plugged into anything,

473
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: and I can shoot video. Well, if you compared your

474
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Speaker 1: old Nokia cell phone video to today's iPhone video, what

475
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: does that Nokia cell phone video look like, It's terrible.

476
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,479
Speaker 1: It's the Zuppruder film at this point compared to what

477
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Speaker 1: you can do on these phones now and have been

478
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 1: able to do for a while. So the message there

479
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: is unless you have an individual video crew for each

480
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: player following them around and individually documenting all their movements

481
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: and all their plays and everything, you're not going to

482
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: have the quality video that's necessary to monetize in a

483
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: lot of ways like you think you would. This is

484
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: where going to college and getting these video teams for

485
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: these universities in play in practice, that's the big difference.

486
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Speaker 1: Florida States announced this, Arkansas has announced this, A number

487
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: of them have announced it. It's taking the university media

488
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Speaker 1: and graphics and video department filming you in practice like

489
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,719
Speaker 1: they always do, but giving you the access to it.

490
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: And it's not as big a deal in one arena

491
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Speaker 1: as it is in another arena. I think right now,

492
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Speaker 1: if you're let's say forty three years old, you don't

493
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Speaker 1: have an Instagram account or a TikTok account, I would

494
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Speaker 1: advise you to stay off those platforms unless you're getting

495
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: on there to follow lake Kick, of course. But if

496
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Speaker 1: you don't have those platforms, you may think of having

497
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Speaker 1: access to that footage as being valuable so that they

498
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Speaker 1: could use your likeness and image and a Ford truck commercial. Well,

499
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: it would be great if you could sign that, But

500
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: far more likely is you take that footage and then

501
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: you make a hype video of it. If you don't

502
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: know what hype video is, don't worry about it either.

503
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: But you make a hype video of yourself or someone

504
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: else does it for you. There are a lot of

505
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Speaker 1: independent creators out there doing it on a freelance and

506
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Speaker 1: paid basis, And so you send a bunch of your

507
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: footage off to one of your freelance guys. He throws

508
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: together a forty five second highlight video or a hype

509
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: video sends it back to you. You upload it on

510
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,959
Speaker 1: your account based on footage you own because the university

511
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: is letting you own it, and then you get, oh,

512
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Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty thousand views on it, and it's

513
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: worth something. Those platforms will pay you once you get

514
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Speaker 1: big enough, or accounts or brands out there will pay

515
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Speaker 1: you to be what is called an influencer because you

516
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: grew your profile and you grew your following because of

517
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: in part that kind of content. That is where it

518
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: gets valuable. So I know that's a long winded way

519
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Speaker 1: of answering this, and I don't know how camps are

520
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: going to tie into this, but that's the way to

521
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Speaker 1: look at this. In the future, that's where the big

522
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: money's going to be made. The big money's going to

523
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: be made in acquiring your own digital media assets that

524
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: you used to not own and now they're going to

525
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: give you the ability to own them. There's a lot

526
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Speaker 1: of pain in this next question, but I'm gonna read

527
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Speaker 1: it normally. I'm not going to read it painfully. As

528
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Speaker 1: an Auburn fan. I really despise the other team we

529
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Speaker 1: share a state with. However, I do enjoy hearing your

530
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Speaker 1: memories from their top wins a few episodes back, and

531
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Speaker 1: I was wondering, forget about the wins, do you have

532
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 1: any memories or stories to share of their losses. I

533
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: know those are few and far between, but I enjoy

534
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Speaker 1: hearing about them. Nonetheless, you know I don't have the

535
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Speaker 1: best way of reading these questions. I craned my neck

536
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Speaker 1: to the side. I don't know why I don't just

537
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Speaker 1: take the laptop. Second, here we go, So now it's

538
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Speaker 1: in front of me. Okay, so now I can read

539
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Speaker 1: without sounding like I have to squint to see it,

540
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Speaker 1: which I was doing previously. Yes, the answer is yes,

541
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Speaker 1: I have a couple of stories. I'll go through these quickly.

542
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: I don't know why, because we don't have a time limit.

543
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: But the first story is from the Iron Bowl. Since

544
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Speaker 1: you're an Auburn fan, let me give you one from

545
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: the Iron Bull in two thousand and seventeen. This is

546
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Speaker 1: I believe a twenty six to fourteen, twenty seven to

547
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: fourteen loss something like that. It was in Jorden Hair Stadium,

548
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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts starting quarterback for Alabama. They really just couldn't

549
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: move the ball much on Auburn, and it was a

550
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: convincing win. I think about that, beating Nick Saban by

551
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 1: double digits. That doesn't happen very often. And Bama went

552
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: on to win a national title anyway this year, and

553
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: there was a little quarterback change, remember that happened in

554
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: the national title game this year. Well, internally, a lot

555
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: of the Bama players and coaches had wanted that change

556
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: to happen for a while. See Tua had been showing

557
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: out in practice, had all year. Sabin was very loyal

558
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: to Jalen Hurts, and it was not the most pleasant

559
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: of times around there. Now you don't know about this

560
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: because they went on to win a title, and no

561
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: team that wins a title could ever have dysfunction in

562
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: the locker room, right, Well, that's wrong. No Nick Saban

563
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: team could ever have that, right, No, that's wrong. He

564
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: just knows how to harness him the right way. Anyway.

565
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: But these are humans, and these are alpha competitors. I'm

566
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: gonna say, just like every other program, they're better than

567
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Speaker 1: every program. And so what happened was Alabama's gonna lose.

568
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: It's obvious they can't come back from that deficit. And

569
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: it becomes clear as we're standing on the sideline that

570
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: the Auburn fans are going to storm the field, and

571
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: I want no part of that. So I go down

572
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: to the Alabama Tunnel and I as soon as the

573
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: clock starts winding down, and here comes the mob. I

574
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: just run up the tunnel, which I'm allowed to do,

575
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 1: and I go stand up there. Well, I was up

576
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: the tunnel before Bama's team came up the tunnel, So

577
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: here they come. Now they're composed on the field because

578
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: they've been trained to be that way. But once they

579
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: get up that tunnel, they are out of the view

580
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: of the public and cameras. And boy, I'm not going

581
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: to name the receivers, but there's some high profile receivers.

582
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: Let me say that just lost it. I mean, flipped

583
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: equipment flying all over the place. Could totally irate like

584
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: borderline mutinous behavior there because the quarterback change had not

585
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: been made and they were never given a shot. So

586
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: what they were mad about is two, it didn't even

587
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: get a shot in the game, and it got late,

588
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: and they were so stagnant, and their thought process was,

589
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: why in the world are we not at least trying

590
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: something here. Now they end up getting a reprieve and

591
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: they go to the National championship game, and at halftime

592
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: their head coach, Nick Saban does make that move. And

593
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: so that's a little bit of backstory. Now, if you

594
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: ever go back and watch this game again and you

595
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: watch the body language of those receivers and you watch

596
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: how they go over the cliff in that second half,

597
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: that's part of it. Because they had begged and pleaded,

598
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: give this dude a chance. We're telling you we love

599
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. They don't. None of them disliked Jalen Hurts.

600
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: They just knew the better quarterback was the backup quarterback

601
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: on that team, and they wanted to prove it. It

602
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: was one of those situations where give it to us,

603
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: give it to his coach, and he finally gives it

604
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: to you. You don't want him having the last word,

605
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: having the eye told you so, I was right all along,

606
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: and so man, they went over the cliff in the

607
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: second half of that National championship game, but it was

608
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: because they'd really made a scene, not in the public,

609
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: but outside that locker room, and that had listened to him.

610
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: He also probably watched the film. I think that's another

611
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: key part of that. The second one was from twenty fifteen.

612
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: This is another loss of theirs or twenty sixteen. It

613
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: was in Tampa, so it was the second time they

614
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: played Clemson. They won the first one, they lost the

615
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: second one, and it was the Hunter refro pick play

616
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: one second to go. That's excuse me, touch now, not

617
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: pick play? Oh far be it man? What an allegation

618
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: from me. I think we all saw what happened. But anyway, congratulations.

619
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: Clemson deserved to win the game. But that was a

620
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: good Bama team. I mean a lot of people, myself included,

621
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: thought it was the better team than the one the

622
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: year before. It was kind of like the Braves. I

623
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: thought they were better in ninety six than they were

624
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: in ninety five, But they won it in ninety five,

625
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: got beat by the Yankees in ninety six, so you know,

626
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: second place trophies are what they are. Well, Nick Saban

627
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: had a lot of those guys return. A lot of

628
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: those guys could have gone pro, and they returned to

629
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: try and repeat as a national champion, and they lost

630
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: the game heartbreaking fashion. And so I did the same thing.

631
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Speaker 1: I didn't rush off the field. I'm on the field.

632
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm watching clumbs and celebrate. But we can go in

633
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: the locker rooms at national championship games. You can't do

634
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: it in the regular season, but we can go in

635
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: the locker rooms during the playoff in the national title game.

636
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: So I went in that Bama locker room, and I've

637
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: never ever a lot of those guys, never seen emotion

638
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: from those players, and Nick Saban himself like that. Nick

639
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: Saban was as emotionally distraught as you would expect to

640
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: be if you failed eighty five of your children simultaneously.

641
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: That's what he looked like. The only other time I've

642
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: seen him that emotional, it was on the opposite end

643
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: of the emotional spectrum. But it was when they beat Georgia.

644
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: He put Jalen in in the twenty eighteen SEC title

645
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: game and they beat Georgia and he went up the

646
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: tunnel balld his eyes out, But that was from happiness.

647
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: There were tears this night too, but it was from sadness.

648
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: And I didn't even want to be in there. I mean,

649
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: I looked around and I didn't do an interview with

650
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: a single player because I didn't think that it was

651
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: right to have that on camera. Now, that's why I

652
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: got out of the journalism business. That's why I got

653
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: out of the reporting business, because a reporter job is

654
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: to capture that moment. But I, as a former athlete

655
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: myself who's been in locker rooms, I don't feel that

656
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: it's the place and time to be gathering that stuff. Now.

657
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm just philosophically opposed to it. Okay, So people in

658
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: my business or people in that business would look at

659
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: me and say, it's just sports man, It's just you

660
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: gott to suck it up, you know, it's you got

661
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: to be a big boy. It's part of the game. Okay,

662
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: you can feel that way. I don't feel that way.

663
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: I feel like that locker room shouldn't be open period

664
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: at the college level. So that was the first disagreement

665
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: I always had with my peers. I think you can

666
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: gather everything you want to gather outside that locker room,

667
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: and they make players available outside of the locker room

668
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: all the time, and that, you know, that's just that's

669
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: a little side note from me. I'll get in an

670
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: argument after argument with reporters about that, but that's my

671
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: personal feel on it. So I didn't gather any footage.

672
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: I just I took the camera guy that was with

673
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: me and we walked out, said let's just go to

674
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: the press conference. So we walked down the tunnel, went

675
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: to the press conference, and of course, you know, he

676
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: brings Jonathan Allen in there, Saban comes in there, and

677
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: they were composed by that point. But but with that

678
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: scene in that locker room, unlike anything I had ever

679
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: seen before or since from that group, some really incredible

680
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: moments to witness, though, very very blessed to just be

681
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: in position to see that stuff, having grown up as

682
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: a kid watching the game and always you know, thinking

683
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: about that entire different world that exists. Never thought i'd

684
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: have access to it. So I do appreciate it. All Right.

685
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: Now we shift, so we're towards the end here, we're

686
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: gonna pivot to the this is Your Life portion of

687
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: the podcast, as promised last week. I think it was

688
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: Thursday of last week. Corbin submits the question. He said,

689
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: would you be able to give a summary of your

690
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: broadcasting career on the podcast or just in an email reply?

691
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: I hear you often drop a reference here and there

692
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: of different places you've been. I was just curious how

693
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: you got into broadcasting, Where did you start, how did

694
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: you get involved with CBS in twenty four to seven,

695
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: and how do you have the platform you currently enjoy.

696
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate this question. One day, probably I'll be able

697
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: to just do an hour's speaking circuit version of this,

698
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: because I think my store is very fun. I think

699
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: it's very valuable. Though. It's valuable because it doesn't matter

700
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: if you don't have a lick of talent in the

701
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: world of media. You got talent somewhere. You need to

702
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: figure out what it is. You need to figure out

703
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: where it overlaps with your passion and just draw a

704
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: circle there and find how many careers you can isolate

705
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: in that little intersection. That circle around the intersection of

706
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: talent and passion. It should be the focus of everyone's life.

707
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: You didn't get your talent yourself. Someone gave it to you.

708
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: It was put inside you. It's there to be used.

709
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: It's not there to just bottle up and only use

710
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: in your spare time, or use as a hobby, or

711
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: don't use at all. And your passion's the same way.

712
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: It's very beautiful because everyone's unique in that way. No

713
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: one has the exact combination of talent and passion that

714
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: you do. And yet we got a lot of people

715
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: in our business and in our world that try and

716
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: emulate others where you're not designed to be anyone else.

717
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: You're designed to be yourself. So anyway, my reason for

718
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: saying that is I didn't get that for a long time,

719
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: and so I looked elsewhere for inspiration. Inspiration's fine, I'm

720
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: not saying I haven't been inspired by people, but I

721
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: was looking to other people as a model of how

722
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: I should live or how I should approach my career.

723
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: That's not the way to do it. You can take guidance,

724
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: you can draw hints and clues, but there's something in

725
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: you that's not in them. There's something in them not

726
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: in you. So in a lot of ways, it really

727
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: becomes a waste of time to do that. I'll tell

728
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: you what happened. I was working construction, knew I didn't

729
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: want to do it the rest of my life. Learned

730
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: a lot of lessons there though. Ended up in a

731
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: fabric warehouse, non air condition this time of year especially,

732
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: that's just torturous in Georgia, and I would listen to

733
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: sports talk radio every single day. That was the day

734
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: you get in, you unload the Southeastern freight truck, you

735
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: listen to Colin Cowherd. At that time at ESPN Radio,

736
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: you get to lunch, you get back in, you got

737
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: whatever show on ESPN Radio happens in the afternoon. Then

738
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: there was an afternoon drive show, and then that's the

739
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: end of the day. I mean, that was my entire day.

740
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: I just listened to sports talk radio all day, loved it,

741
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: always had been enamored with it. Thought I had a

742
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: little bit of talent and skill enough to do it,

743
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: had no clue how to do it. I didn't have

744
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: a dad who worked at a radio station. I didn't

745
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: have mom who was on accountant in Bristol, Connecticut at ESPN,

746
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: I didn't have a cousin who owned his own conglomerate

747
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: of local TV stations. I had nothing. I had no contacts,

748
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: I had no relationships. I didn't have the college degree

749
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: at the time. Necessary I'm gonna say necessary loosely. I

750
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: thought it was necessary. But I knew I wanted to

751
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: do it. I just didn't know how. So I sat

752
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: in that sample department in that warehouse for a couple

753
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: of years, and that was my day, every day, not

754
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: getting any younger. And so the local radio show that

755
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: was there in Columbus was called the press Box. It

756
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: was hosted by a guy named Bobby z. He had

757
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: been a big time FMDJ and several of the big markets,

758
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: Houston most notably, but he loved sports and so he

759
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: came to Columbus to do sports talk radio, and so

760
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,959
Speaker 1: I would listen every day. I listened for about a year,

761
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: and I finally got up the nerve to email him

762
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: or Facebook message him, I think, and I said, can

763
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: I just come in and watch the show. I've never

764
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: seen it before, I've never been in a studio. I

765
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: didn't expect to get an answer, and I got an

766
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: answer really quick. He said, yeah, come on in, and

767
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: I started to come in, and I brought in some

768
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: of my demo material, some of my real material. And

769
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: all that is for those unfamiliar, is you get yourself

770
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: in a studio or just put a microphone in front

771
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: of you record yourself. Boom. You got a demo reel.

772
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: Hopefully it sounds decent enough. And so I gave it

773
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: to him. I didn't know if he had listened to

774
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: it or not. But I got to sit in the

775
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: radio station and I got to see production happen for

776
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: the first time. I got to see how you pod

777
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: someone up when they're coming in. I got to see

778
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: how you provide audio beds when you're going to do

779
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: a produced segment. I got to see how call structure

780
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: was formatted. I got to see how you hit your

781
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: heart ends and heart outs. I got to see all

782
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: that stuff. And so it was great because, unbeknownst to myself,

783
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: I had always observed instead of just listened and watched.

784
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: I'd always observed, and so a lot of it made sense.

785
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: You didn't have to tell me twice while you were

786
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: doing something. Well, a few weeks go by and his

787
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: co host get sick one day and I can come

788
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: in there and I can just watch and watch and watch,

789
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: until all of a sudden I get told, hey, punt's

790
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: not in today. Can you hop on it? And I said, yes,

791
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: I can. It was a middle of football season, and

792
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: we took calls for three hours. Highlight of my life.

793
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: Thought it was the only time I was ever going

794
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: to be able to do it. We wrap up the show,

795
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: he says to me, that was a good job. I

796
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: thought we were going to crash and burn. We didn't.

797
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: It was a really good job. Appreciate you hopping in

798
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: on a moment's notice. Where'd you say you would work before.

799
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: I said, I've never worked before. He thought I was

800
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: lying to him because I did a good enough job

801
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: on air that he thought I had made that up.

802
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: He thought I had been somewhere else and I just

803
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: came in there and I was lying about not having experience.

804
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: Don't know what since that would make, but he thought

805
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: I was lying. I said, no, I've never worked anywhere.

806
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: I've never been in media anywhere. And I never got

807
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: taken off the air again. I was given a permanent

808
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: spot there. It was a three man booth when I

809
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: was in there. Because the co host came back, Punk

810
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: came back and I was still in there, and so

811
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: we had some fun. Man, it was so blazing hot

812
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: in that studio because there was no air circulation, probably

813
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: an ocean violation, but we didn't report it because we

814
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: were getting to do sports talk radio and they actually

815
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: paid us a little bit of money to do it too.

816
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: Legendary shows, very very much flying in the face of

817
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: what FCC regulations typically allow you to do. But we

818
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: were just enough off the radar where it didn't matter.

819
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: They're in Columbus, Georgia, but that's a big break. But

820
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: I'll tell you where an even bigger break came. And

821
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: I tweeted this out today actually, and it was sort

822
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: of inspired by knowing I was going to talk about this.

823
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm recording in the evening, and so you're listening to

824
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: this the next day. But I knew I was going

825
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: to talk about this tonight, so I tweeted it out

826
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: earlier today. I said, the best advice you can ever

827
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: have in this line of work especially, is to treat

828
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: every day like your job interview. This is not a

829
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: classical situation sports media media in general, it's not a

830
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: classic situation. If you're in performance based art in general,

831
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: you do not get hired because of your job interview

832
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: or your resume or your college degree. You get hired

833
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: based on whether you can produce or not. I've interviewed

834
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: for radio, Now, TV and twenty four to seven in CBS.

835
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: No one ever even asked me where I went to school.

836
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: They didn't care. They had already seen what they needed

837
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: to see. So my next big break is tied go

838
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: into that. I'm sitting at home one day, I get

839
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: a phone call. Phone call is from a general manager

840
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: at a TV station there in Columbus. He said, you

841
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: don't know this, but I've been listening to you every

842
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: day driving home for about a month. Now. I get

843
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: off work about the time you're on radio. Me and

844
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: the sales team over here we got an idea. We

845
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: want to do a five night per week live college

846
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: football call in show on TV. You want to do it?

847
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I think I do, And so I

848
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: start at WLTZ there in Columbus, Georgia. Ended up being

849
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: the sports anchor there too, and the sports director in time.

850
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: Not qualified to be blatantly honest with you. Coworkers knew

851
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: I wouldn't qualified. There may have been a little bit

852
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: of animosity. I don't blame them one bit. Overtime, those

853
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: people became my best friends. So what happened was I

854
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: finally got to do TV. Had never done it before,

855
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: never never, never, had never been int a TV studio.

856
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: The first time I was ever in a TV studio,

857
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: I was on live TV. First time I ever read

858
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: a teleprompter or looked at a camera or did a

859
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: transition three shot to one shot. I was on TV live.

860
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: Didn't get any practice. It was rough for a little while,

861
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: and that was just the sports anchoring portion, formatting and

862
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: blocking and producing. The actual college football show. That was

863
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: a whole bigger chore in and of itself, but we

864
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: grew that thing over time. We had a really hardcore

865
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: audience there in Columbus. You'd call them a P one

866
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: audience if you're in radio, but they are die hard.

867
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: They're there every night. We were hitting at ten o'clock

868
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: on the D two channel, the CW channel there, but

869
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: we had viewers and we did pretty good, and so

870
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: we keep doing that and keep doing that. A couple

871
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: of years ago by I got a buddy named Jonathan

872
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: Rivers that I co hosted the show with some of

873
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: the most fun times we ever had. We were also

874
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: just to get extra practice in doing an extra Friday

875
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: night three hour radio show over at WCUG the Cougar

876
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: on the corner of Ninth and Broad. It's the Columbus

877
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: State University radio station. I had a large part in

878
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: helping to build and format that entity entirely. We were

879
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: some of the first programming, long form, live programming that

880
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: they ever played there. And so Jonathan and I we

881
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: do that show at WLTZ for a little while. Football

882
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: Nightly down South. Never forget that name as long as

883
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: I live. And one day I'm looking on my phone

884
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: or just on my laptop, and I'm on Facebook and

885
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: I see a Facebook live stream. Never seen it before.

886
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: It was a brand new feature. YouTube live wasn't around yet.

887
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: I saw a Facebook live stream. And you know how

888
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: sometimes you hear people tell stories about the past and

889
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: they say, I knew this second I saw this, or

890
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: I knew the second I saw that. Most of the time,

891
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: it's bs. Most of the time, the big realizations in

892
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: your life, they don't happen just like that, They happen

893
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: over time. Well, friends, this is one of the very

894
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: few realizations that it took me a microsecond to realize.

895
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: I knew the second I saw a Facebook live stream

896
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: the entire world was changing. I knew I needed to

897
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: change my entire world. I knew that's where the future is.

898
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: That is how I take what I want to be

899
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: a national voice and a national approach to college football

900
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: and actually reach the masses with it. Here's how you

901
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: can't understand unless you're in media how big this was.

902
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: This was a Berlin Wall moment in sports media. The

903
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: two main roadblocks that would stand between myself or anyone

904
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: else even remotely in my shoes and making it nationally

905
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: were overhead and distribution. It's why we idolized SportsCenter anchors

906
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: or ESPN radio hosts growing up. There were so few

907
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: of them, and we viewed them almost in a deified

908
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: manner because they were somewhere that you probably can never

909
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: get because of overhead and distribution. Overhead meaning you need

910
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: massive studios and massive infrastructure, and then more importantly, really

911
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: the second part is distribution. How are they taking your

912
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: product and getting it to someone in Tupelo, Mississippi and Salem,

913
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: Oregon At the same time. It used to be called

914
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: syndication and it still is. That was the only way.

915
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, we've got the largest

916
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: social platform on the face of the earth. There were

917
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: already several billion people on Facebook at the time, and

918
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: you're telling me that platform has a live streaming mechanism.

919
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: You cannot possibly understand how big that was. I mean,

920
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: I didn't sleep for nearly a week just envisioning what

921
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: that could be. So here's what I started to do.

922
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 1: I don't know footage of this still exists, but here's

923
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: what I started to do. I had been promoted to

924
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: news anchor since that point, so I'm news anchoring. I'm

925
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: anchoring the six o'clock news. When we get off air,

926
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: I take my jacket off. I go in our control

927
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: room because it looks really cool, a lot of buttons

928
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: and monitors and looks like a NASA space station in Houston.

929
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: And so I start taking my cell phone and just

930
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: doing Facebook live videos and doing college football the way

931
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: I want to do it, and management catches on. About

932
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: a week into that, general manager calls me into his

933
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: office and says, what is this. I say, that's just

934
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: something I'm doing on the side. He said, well, it

935
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: looks to me like you're doing it in my control room,

936
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: and it looks to me like you're on the clock here,

937
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: so it's on company time, and it doesn't look like

938
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: I could stand to make a dime from this, So

939
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: what point is there in letting you do this? And

940
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: I didn't have a rebuttal of course he's right. He's

941
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: not saying anything I wouldn't say if I were in

942
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: his shoes. But man, that lit a fire under me,

943
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: because I, for the first time shifted from thinking that

944
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: was a golden opportunity I had to a place that

945
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: I was stuck. So I had about a year left

946
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: on my contract. At that point, I took the next

947
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: year to plan and plan and plan. I knew exactly

948
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. I knew exactly how I

949
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: wanted to do it. I learned YouTube in that year,

950
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: and I learned that I wanted to be a multi

951
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: platform streaming product that I owned. It comes time to

952
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: negotiate contract. I get called into the news director's office

953
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: with a general manager. They offered to extend me several years.

954
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: It would have been really good money, I mean unheard

955
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: of money from me at the time, and I declined

956
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: it because it was not going to include the opportunity

957
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: to produce my own show that I owned on my

958
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: own platform, and it was just not something that they

959
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: were going to bend on, and so we stale made it.

960
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: My contracts coming up, I have not renewed, and it

961
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: looks like we're just gonna say all's well, that ends well,

962
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: we go our separate ways. One day before my contract expires,

963
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: I get called back in and they had essentially been

964
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: sweating me, and so it didn't work because I had

965
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: no intention of resigning if I could not do what

966
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. And so I get called back

967
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: in and I said, what is the deal, Like, what

968
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: do you have lined up? Said? I didn't have anything

969
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: lined up, And that was the truth. I didn't have

970
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: anything lined up. I was going to go somewhere and

971
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: start a YouTube channel. That's what I was going to do.

972
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: I was that confident in the vision I had. I

973
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: had no guarantee. I mean, I was broke already, and

974
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: so they said, what can we do here? I mean,

975
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: we got to figure something out. We cannot let you,

976
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: as a salaried employee, do what you want to do.

977
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: And so we figured out a work around. I offered

978
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: to work ten ninety nine status for him fractions of

979
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: the money they would have paid me. I'm not employed,

980
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: so you don't have to give me benefits. I'll still

981
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 1: be your news anchor. But here's what I wanted return.

982
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: I want an hour of studio time three nights a week,

983
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 1: and the ability to bring my own crew in here.

984
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: And we want to film live a YouTube college football show.

985
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: And they agreed to it very quickly. They agreed to it.

986
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: They made sure the studio time was blocked off, and

987
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: they agreed to it. And thought that they had kind

988
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: of won up to me there. They hadn't they just

989
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: didn't know it yet. So I was making no money,

990
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: really doing I was making fifty or seventy five dollars

991
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: per newscast. You want to do the math on that.

992
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: But we started our show. We built our own set.

993
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: We had to build it every night. We had to

994
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: wheel it in there and wheel it out of there

995
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: every night. And we did that show, and we called

996
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 1: it Late Kick Live with Josh Pate, the exact same

997
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: name it's gotten now. And we did it on YouTube

998
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: just like it's done now. And we started to grow

999
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: that subscriber base and we reached the necessary benchmarks to

1000
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: monetize that thing. And over the span of about eight months,

1001
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: I was making more on that YouTube channel than I

1002
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: had been making at the news station, and a year

1003
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: in I was making more than I would have been

1004
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: making on salary. There. I was on top of the world. Man.

1005
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: I was so happy because it paid off. I mean

1006
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: it looked like there was legitimate traction. I mean we

1007
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: were getting some attention. LSU put us in their hype

1008
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: video the week before they played Bama in twenty nineteen.

1009
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: Here was the kicker. Though. Since I was still associated

1010
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: with the news station, I could get credentialed to games

1011
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: under wltz's name, and so I could go shoot my

1012
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: own b roll. See. The big roadblock for a lot

1013
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: of content creators is they don't have rights and licensing

1014
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: to any video. They don't have elements to use. I

1015
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: was able to do a workaround because I could be

1016
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: credentialed to games and go shoot my own footage and

1017
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: have my own library of b role and it gave

1018
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: me a huge leg up, as did being able to

1019
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: produce a show on YouTube out of a full working

1020
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: TV studio. Could literally have never guessed what was about

1021
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,959
Speaker 1: to happen. November of twenty nineteen, shows doing really good.

1022
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: We are really really high on LSU ahead of time,

1023
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: it pays off. We're riding a wave of momentum. We're

1024
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: starting to get traction, We're starting to be seen enough

1025
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: by college football diehards that it's on people's radars. And

1026
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: I get a call in November of twenty nineteen from

1027
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: Shannon Terry, who was, as you know, the CEO of

1028
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven Sports at the time. I let

1029
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: it go to voicemail. I didn't recognize the number. I

1030
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: thought it was spam. It's probably a story I'll tell

1031
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: until the end of time. Yeah, I noticed the name

1032
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: pretty quick on the voicemail, so I call him back,

1033
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: he said, in not so many words, he said, I

1034
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: know that you don't realize this, but we've been watching you.

1035
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: I've been watching your stuff for about a month and

1036
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: a half or two months. I can't believe you're Once

1037
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: he heard my story, he said, I can't believe you're

1038
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: able to pull that off. You shouldn't be able to

1039
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: pull that off. But I want you to come pull

1040
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: it off here. We don't even know fully what we

1041
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: want you to do. Whatever you're going to do, I

1042
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: want you doing it here. I want you to come

1043
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: here and create for us at twenty four to seven

1044
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: and CBS and so I talked with him for about

1045
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: the next two weeks. We worked the contract out, and

1046
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: I got here in January of twenty twenty and sure enough,

1047
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: everything I was promised has been followed through on. I

1048
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: was given full naming rights, full creative control over my show,

1049
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: full production executive production status of my show. No one

1050
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: to this point in time at twenty four to seven

1051
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: or CBS has ever stepped in and told me a

1052
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: thing to put on that show. They've never told me

1053
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: a thing to take out of the show. They've never

1054
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: told me not to do anything on the show. So

1055
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: I want you to think about that two year swing.

1056
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: You're going from being one day away from being unemployed

1057
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: to two years later, one of the biggest media companies

1058
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: on planet Earth handing you the keys to their resources

1059
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, why don't you come here and we'll

1060
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: triple whatever you were making. And by the way, all

1061
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: you have to do all day is talk about college football.

1062
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: I knew the moment I got here, if we could

1063
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: ever just make sure we can get the product in

1064
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: front of enough people. I thought you guys would love

1065
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: the show because it was going to be your show.

1066
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: That's all it's ever been about. That's all it's ever

1067
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: been intended to be. But without that distribution, without the

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00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: ability to get your product out it's kind of like,

1069
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: you know, yelling in a forest, but there's no one

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00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: around to hear it. You can do the best job

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00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: in the world, if you don't know how to market

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00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: and get your product out there, it can be rendered

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00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: irrelevant a lot of times. But we've gotten it in

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Speaker 1: front of you, and it's taken off even to a

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Speaker 1: greater extent than we thought, and I had some pretty

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00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: lofty goals for it, but you guys have blown away

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Speaker 1: every goal that I had for our stuff when we

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Speaker 1: came here. And let me tell you what you've done.

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Speaker 1: I talk about this a lot. I tell you as

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00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: much as I can tell you, and maybe a little

1081
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: bit more than I can tell you. But we get

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00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: about a year in and all of a sudden, the

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00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: calls you start getting are from CBS Sports and from

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00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: executives that have been all over the media industry and

1085
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: the ones handling your contract negotiations for your next round.

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00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: They're right at the top of the totem pole. And

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00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: you got family and friends that support you back home

1088
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: constantly hear from them, and it feels really good. But

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00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: let me tell you the bigger feeling I have, and

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00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: I'll wrap it up after this, because this has probably

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00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: gone on like thirty minutes. The biggest feeling I have

1092
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: and the biggest source of excitement is last year wasn't normal.

1093
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: We got here and we started that show on the

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00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven Sports YouTube channel in the middle

1095
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: of March, and then we went into lockdown, and then

1096
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: we didn't know if we were going to have a season,

1097
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: and it was an election year, so everyone's attention was fragmented.

1098
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: We got fractions of a season. We did not have

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Speaker 1: full investment emotionally from the college football public because it

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00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: was a lot going on last year, and still the

1101
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: show was an overwhelming success. So what happens now a

1102
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: year in we have refused to take an off season,

1103
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: just won't do it. And now we're heading headlong in

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00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 1: towards a season where everything returns to normal, if even

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00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: normal turned up to eleven on the volume scale. We've

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Speaker 1: got a fully established product, We've got great distribution channels,

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00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: We've got great listenership and viewership. We've got new production

1108
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: hires that will be made public eventually that really just

1109
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: add new dynamics and layers to the show. What happens

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00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: when all that come together, Well, we're gonna make it

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00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: the biggest college football show in the country. That's what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do. We're gonna make it the best in

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Speaker 1: the country. We are very appreciative. I'm very appreciative, very humbled,

1114
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: very honored and blessed to have the opportunity. Will never

1115
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: take it for granted, have never taken it for granted.

1116
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: A day in my life. But now that the opportunity

1117
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: is there, we're gonna grab it by the throat. There

1118
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: will be none better out there than what we give

1119
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: you this fall. There will not be a college football

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Speaker 1: product on planet Earth that's better than what we give

1121
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: you with Late Kick this fall. So Corbyn, that's an

1122
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: up to date picture of the old broadcast career. Let

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00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: me add one more thing in there, because one of

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00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: the other huge blessings you have when you can work

1125
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: for a major organization like this is we can keep

1126
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: the content free. I can keep Late Kick free. I

1127
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: don't have to charge you. I am not bemoaning anyone

1128
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: who has to charge for their content. Please don't misunderstand me.

1129
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: If you're working in the independent world, you have to

1130
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: get by by any means necessary. That's why I'm referring

1131
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: to it as a blessing that we get to produce

1132
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: for free. The only thing, the only thing I ask

1133
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: if you guys, is follow that Twitter account at late

1134
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: kick Josh, follow that Instagram account at late Kickjosh. Make

1135
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: sure you're subscribing to the twenty four to seven sports

1136
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: YouTube channel and liking those videos. The likes really help commenting,

1137
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: really helps. But let me tell you what means the

1138
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: most to me. When I see you guys tweeting out,

1139
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: as I've said before, screenshots that you're listening to the

1140
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: podcast or you're watching the show, and you tag me

1141
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: in am. I try and retweet as many of them

1142
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: as I can. We get dozens and dozens and dozens

1143
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: per day. That is what means the world because it

1144
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 1: is the way that this kind of show should be marketed.

1145
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to the CBS ad executive

1146
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: folks and say, hey, we need seventy five thousand dollars

1147
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: in our marketing Q one budget because we need to

1148
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: manufacture excitement for the show. That's not the way I've

1149
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: ever successfully been marketed to. It probably doesn't work for

1150
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: you either. But if you see one of your buddies

1151
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: voluntarily on their Instagram story or their Twitter account put

1152
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: out evidence that they're listening to a show Latekig Cover three,

1153
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, that's how you get me,

1154
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: and that's how we grow this show. We're not spending

1155
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: a dime marketing this show. We're not marketing it anywhere.

1156
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 1: We're counting on you. That's how we've grown this show

1157
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: that's how we'll continue to grow the show. So that's

1158
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: what I ask you guys to do. Tell your buddies,

1159
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: tell your friends, put it out there on your IG

1160
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: accounts and your Twitter accounts. We do that, we will

1161
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: have everything that we want to have with this show,

1162
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: and we have really only scratched the surface of what

1163
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: we can have with it. I mean, I got an

1164
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: announcement coming up for you. What is today? So it's June.

1165
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: I would imagine we're probably about a month month and

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00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: a half away. It's not a co host, so let

1167
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: me spare you that. But I got an announcement for

1168
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: you coming up soon. It's going to be very, very interesting,

1169
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: So just stay tuned for that. Uh TikTok, TikTok, TikTok.

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Speaker 1: There you go. I appreciate you listening. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys have a great weekend. I'm gonna

1172
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Speaker 1: be on the road. I'm going to be back home

1173
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: in Georgia just in time apparently to get about a

1174
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: foot of rain, but that's okay. Appreciate you listening anyway.

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Speaker 1: For producer Jordan, I am Josh Pate. Thanks for listening

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00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: to the late Keke extra pipe cast, have yourself a

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Speaker 1: great weekend and God bless h