WEBVTT - The Girlfriends S4/E5: I Smell A Rat 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.560 Hey, it's Nicky. I just wanted to let you know 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:07.160 that this is a pretty tough episode. It's a story 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.840 of love, resilience, and the links the women of Kansas 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:12.960 City went to try and look out for each other, 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:20.119 but in the process we delve into stories about substance abuse, violence, murder, 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.640 and sexual assault. If you or someone you love has 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.000 been affected by any of the themes in the show, 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.920 we've left some links in the description that offer resources 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:39.920 and support take care of yourself. After seeing her older 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:43.080 sister Stacy get kidnapped and losing two friends to murder, 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.760 Nico was at a loss. Stacy was working on the 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:51.720 streets addicted to drugs, and Roger Glubski, the police officer 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.680 who lurked in the shadows of their lives, seemed unstoppable. 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:01.240 Then in the fall of nineteen ninety nine, Nico got 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:01.560 a call. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:07.520 She had got caught in somebody's house, a drug house, 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.800 and basically she took the rap for everything that they found. 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:16.160 Stacy was arrested and charged her what The judge told 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.440 her that she was pretty to be out here and 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:21.120 he wanted her to get her life together and get 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.720 cleaned up. He was gonna give her thirty seven months 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.200 in prison, and I was relieved. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.399 Nico reasoned that Stacy would be safer behind bars than 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:36.280 surrounded by temptation in Quendero. At some point, she went 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:37.640 to visit her sister in prison. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.080 It took them by thirty forty five minutes for them 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:41.679 to let me go. 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:42.280 Up to see her. 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.039 When the sisters came face to face, it was in 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.560 a cubicle that separated them with a pane of glass. 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.880 Stacy was late and I'm like, where was you at? 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.280 And she was sitting up on the little thing and 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.720 we on the phone. She laughed, She said, I was 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.120 in Galuski's office. You know, they walked in on us. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.280 She didn't need to say what had happened for Nico 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:10.160 to understand what the guards had seen. Stacy was supposed 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.760 to be safe from Gelupski behind bars, but it turns 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.440 out he was using his authority to take her back 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:20.640 and forth between his office and her cell. As the 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:25.040 weeks passed, Nico heard other things about Stacy's life behind bars, 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.600 that she was getting better treatment than other prisoners, and 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.440 that she was trying to negotiate an early release. Nico 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:39.160 suspected something was going on. So one day, not long 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.240 before Christmas, she decided to try and get to the 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.320 bottom of it and ran her other sister, Liz. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.359 So I called my sister and she said, girl Stacy snitching. 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.120 Nico knew that people could shorten their sentences by becoming 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:57.160 confidential informants. They wondered whether Stacy might be trying to 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:57.959 do the same thing. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:00.800 As soon as I hung up the front with my sister, 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:02.880 Stacey came walking through the door. 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.080 It was only around four months into what Nico says 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.880 was supposed to be a thirty seven month prison sentence, 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.639 but there was Stacy walking back into their home as 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.440 if it was just a regular Tuesday. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.160 I started asking her, how does she get there? What 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.799 is she doing there? She says, they let her out 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.960 on good behavior. I said, no, Daddy, adding up, because 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.520 I know what the judge said. I asked her how 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.880 she got there. She says she got a ride. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.960 Stacy then starts to walk around the house haphazardly, picking 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:37.520 up clothes and belongings. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.440 I'm like, well, where are you going? She said, I'll 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.720 be all right. She was talking fast. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:44.680 I just came to get some clothes and I'm leaving, 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.640 so I'm like, how did you get out? I'm asking 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.040 her this. You got some money for me as well? 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.680 She said, I said no. When she walked out the door, 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:56.320 I went to my back balcony to see went down 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.320 the driveway and she got in a car. 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:04.080 Niko's friends comes in and tells her Gallupski's the one 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.040 driving the car. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.480 She said, she's just ran out there, got a car 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:09.160 with him. 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.840 I was like, what she watches on as Gallupski drives 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:22.400 Stacy away. 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.719 Maybe a couple of days later, she had came to 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:27.560 my house and she was in a corner. She would 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.000 just shake it and I'm going off on her, what 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.599 is wrong with you? You having a withdrawal whatever? 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:34.039 And she was shaking. She said, this. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.440 Police officer, that smoking cigar told me that if he 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.479 catched me out there again, he gonna kill me. And this, 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:41.159 that and the other. 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:43.680 And I'm like, who is he? He be riding up 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:44.560 and down the street. I'll tell me. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:45.760 I said, so why are you going up there? And 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.360 that's what she looked at me. She said, you never 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.640 smoke crack before. He says, you never got high before, 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:51.240 so you wouldn't understand. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:54.960 I said, I don't. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.400 But if somebody tell you they're gonna hurt you or 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.600 harm you, and all the stuff you didn't been through. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:01.320 Why would you go back out there? 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.240 Nico could do nothing but watch on as Stacy left 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.640 the house again, walking straight out into danger. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:13.920 Oh God, my got it. 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:16.960 I got. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.360 I'm Nikki Richardson and from the Team's at Novel and 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.720 iHeart Podcasts, this is the Girlfriend's untouchable. 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:32.160 I I Got you. 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:37.279 I'm you, by God, I got you. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:38.359 I got you, I. 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:44.640 Got you, I got you, I Got. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:48.360 You, Episode five, I Smell a Wrath. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:49.000 I Got You. 0:05:49.240 --> 0:06:04.560 I Got You. Nico had led with love for years. 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:08.080 She knew how much trauma her sister had experienced and 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.000 understood how hard it was to break free from addiction. 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.000 But by the year two thousand, she was exhausted by 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:21.560 Stacy's self destructive lifestyle. So they had the kind of intense, 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.880 honest fight you can only have with someone you love. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.679 She was arguing with me about this money that I had, 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.200 so I told her, I'm gonna give you this money 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.400 and forget you. You don't know me, You dead to me. 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.520 You see me on the streets, don't even talk to me. 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.320 I'm gonna keep going, and we both said that to 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:40.880 each other. 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:48.360 They fell out of contact for a while until January. 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.680 Friday night, I had got off of work. I was 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.520 coming down Brown and she was standing on the corner 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.640 of twenty nineteen. She kind of put her hand up 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.360 and put it back down. So I heard the voice 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.279 said turn around, and I went up there, turned around 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:01.640 and came back. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:02.320 I said, what's up. 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.640 It was Stacey, tired and strung out. 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.599 She was like, hey, sis, and I get a couple 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.000 of dollars. 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:10.960 I said for what. 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.040 She said, I want to get something to eat and 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.720 I need some cigarettes. I said, I ain't buying no crack. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.840 I'm not buying no drugs. I said, if you want 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.680 to eat, you can come back home and get something 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:24.560 to eat. 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:26.600 If you need to take shower, whatever, you can come 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:27.160 to the house. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:28.920 And she's like, can I just get some money for 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:29.560 some cigarettes? 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.240 I said, yeah, don't go buy no dope with this. 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.480 And I got her ten or twenty dollars something like that, 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.360 and I said, it's food at the house. You can 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.800 come back home. If you need to come home, you 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:39.840 always welcome, you can come back home. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:40.560 I was angry. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:50.040 I apologized for the things I said. She told me 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.920 that she loved me, and I told her that I 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:57.320 loved her too. She told me she was gonna take 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.840 the money go buy her some cigarettes. She was gonna 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:05.840 come to the house. She came to the house that night. 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.120 We talked and she was just telling me how she 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.320 loved me, and told me if anything happened to her, 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:12.840 to make sure I take here her son. 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.960 It was getting difficult for Nico to relate to her sister. 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.680 The drugs were making Stacy suspicious of everything. She would 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.920 often tell their other sister, Liz, that she was worried 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.200 about mysterious people trying to hurt them. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.400 Her words to my sister is I'm trying to save y'all. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:31.640 I'm trying to protect y'all. 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.760 They assumed it was paranoia, a side effect that the 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:40.760 drug Stacey was taking. On Saturday night, Nico went to 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.280 hang out at her then fiance Chris's house. 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.760 We was gonna go to church, me his mother. So 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.080 we splent on going to church Sunday morning. 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:53.520 But at around three am, the phone rang. It woke 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:54.440 the whole house up. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.200 His mama answered the phone. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.400 The house went quiet for a moment until she called 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:02.160 out for her son. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.319 His mother was screaming like Chris, somebody on the phone. 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.000 Somebody on the phone. I don't know what's going on. 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:08.679 So he got the phone. 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.120 There was silence again, and. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.079 He answered it that. He said, Babe, you better come 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.480 and get this phone. I got the phone and I 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:18.280 just dropped. 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.960 A lifetime flashed through her eyes. The girlhood days playing pretend, 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:30.120 the teenage nights spent dancing to their favorite songs. The 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.280 conversation they had less than two days ago that ended 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.000 with I love you and a hug. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.760 I don't care what she done, I don't care what 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:47.319 she took. I always loved her, I always will love her. 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.880 But Nico would never be able to hug her sister again. 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.720 Nico listened as the police told her that early on 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.679 that at around one thirty am, neighbors had been woken 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.760 up by the sounds of a woman being chased through 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:12.600 the neighborhood by man carrying a gun. Nobody had intervened, 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.080 but the people who'd witnessed the shooting recalled how hard 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:17.760 Stacy had tried to save herself. 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:23.480 Every time she got shot, she got up, it was 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:28.320 begging and pleading for her life. It had no mercy 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:42.400 on her. My sister was shot twenty two times. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.240 People who lived near the crime scene said Stacy had 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.800 told the shooter that she wanted to go home, that 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.400 she'd repeatedly shouted, please don't kill me, don't kill me, 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.680 but the shooter had refused to back down. He'd chased 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:06.160 her down the block, relentless in his pursuit. Stacy's son, Joannelle, 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.400 had seen his mother the day before. They had a 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.680 quick conversation, and then he noticed she was shivering in 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.160 the early January cold. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:19.040 She asked for my coat, and I gave it my coat. 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.520 A red Chiefs jacket. They'd exchanged I love you, and 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.000 then Janelle had headed out with his friends. 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.920 We had a little thing for like teenagers, you know, 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.000 to keep us from being on block. So they had 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.000 something for us, you know, come there and play chill. 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.600 It was like a little RECU action center. 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.240 Janelle had fun at the party, but as he left 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.880 the building, he started to hear gunshots. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:48.240 It was just power and then power, you know what 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.680 I'm saying. You could tell like somebody was running or 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:52.840 something while they were shooting. 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:53.800 It was crazy. 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:54.120 Though. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.280 It wasn't until his Auntie broke the news that Janelle 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.160 made the connection between what he heard and what it 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:01.320 just happened to his mother. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.240 At this time, he's about fifteen, sixteen years old, and 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.000 he gets in the car with us and he just 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.640 kind of like rocking a little bit, and I never 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.000 forget Joanette was in a car with me. He said, ain'tie, 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.800 I knew that was my mama when I heard the guyshots. 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:24.839 I heard my mama get killed. I heard it, and 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:25.600 he was just. 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:32.040 Stonefaced like he didn't I don't know if he was 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.400 just trying to be strong for me, but I just 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:41.160 broke down. I couldn't imagine being in his shoes. And 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:45.560 my grandmother just was rocking and she said, I can't 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.200 believe they did my baby like that. Why would anybody 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.920 do my baby like that? That was her first granddaughter. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.800 At just thirty one years old. Stacy Quinn was that 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:09.200 the family was devastated. Things only got worse when the 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:13.920 police arrived at their front door because the lead investigator 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:18.720 on her sister's murder case was Detective Roger Gallupski. 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.360 And my uncle said, I smell Aurette. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:41.560 I had you. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.040 I got you, I had you. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:49.440 Roger Gallupski had been tormenting Nico Quinn's sister Stacy, since 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.200 she was a fifteen year old girl. The injustice of 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.840 hearing Glupski proudly announced that he'd be leading the investigation 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.760 into Stacy's murder. Was almost too much for Nico to bear, 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.600 but her family sat and waited to hear what his 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:11.720 investigation had found. Marcus Washington, a local man in his 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.320 early twenties, had been arrested. He told the police that 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.640 he had been driving home late that night when Stacy 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:21.280 had flagged him down to ask for drugs and a arry. 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.640 She'd gotten in the car with him, and everything had 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:27.680 been fine until another car had crashed into them. The 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:32.320 incident had supposedly triggered Marcus's PTSD induced paranoia that someone 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.840 wanted to kill him, so he and Stacy had started arguing. 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:42.520 At his trial, Marcus admitted to shooting Stacy. He said 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.280 things had gotten heated to the point where they'd started 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:49.080 fighting over the gun he kept in his car. Then 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.360 Marcus had chased her through the neighborhood with his gun 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.720 until he killed her. He said it was self defense, 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:00.040 but in October two thousand, he was convicted of he 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.120 first degree murder and sentenced to fifty years in prison. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:13.080 Nico didn't trust Glupski's investigation or the outcome. Given her 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:17.440 experience of being coerced into a false accusation, she finds 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.000 it hard to believe Marcus is responsible for her sister's murder. 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.520 I know Marcus didn't do it. There's no way he 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:29.280 could have shot her like that. He couldn't have. He couldn't. 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.120 There's no way he could have shot her like that. 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:35.840 Nico had seen the bullet wounds for herself when she 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:39.720 identified Stacy's body. She said the way that the bullet 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.320 holes hit her internal organs made her feel like it 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.960 had been done by someone who really knew what they 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.720 were doing, not someone from the neighborhood with what she 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:54.480 thought was a flimsy motive. But the case was over 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.240 and she knew she would never persuade the CASEYKPD to 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:02.200 reopen the investigation, so she focused her energy on looking 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:07.240 after her family, especially Stacy's only child, Dreanelle. 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.800 Because her last words to me was to take care 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.160 of her son, and she told me that I've been 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:14.000 trying to do that. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.480 Still. Nico couldn't help, but wonder if there was another 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:22.120 reason why her sister was murdered. She kept thinking back 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.640 to the conversation Stacy had with her loved ones in 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:25.840 the weeks before her death. 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.359 There's too many predators. There's too many devils out here, snakes, 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.440 is what she would tell me. My sister said that 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.160 they were going to kill her, she told everybody, because 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:37.480 she was supposed to come out here and do something 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.680 they wanted her to do, but she couldn't do it. 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:46.800 As Kadija and I listened to Nico telling us this 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.680 part of the story, our minds wandered back to the 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:53.280 phone call between Nico and her sister Liz about the 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:57.520 rumors that Stacy was snitching in prison. It reminded us 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:01.440 of something Kadija hadn't covered in her conversations with women 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:06.720 during and after La McIntyre's exoneration, that Gallupski had an 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:15.439 unusual relationship with confidential informants. There are a number of 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.440 reasons why someone would agree to become a confidential informant 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.040 and work with the police to secretly gather the kind 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:25.320 of information needed to build and close a case. Some 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.520 are innocent bystanders who want a dangerous person in their 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.920 neighborhood to face justice. Others might be people who've committed 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.960 a crime cutting a deal to reduce their jail term. 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.199 Either way, there's a lot of stigma around working with 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:41.439 the police. 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.320 Being a snitch into the black community means that you 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.159 have no loyalty to the community. 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.959 Rumors that you're helping the police are the kind of 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:57.240 whispers that could ruin your life as a cop. Glupski 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:01.440 was no stranger to confidential informants, but it was how 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:05.880 he got them that intrigued us. We know he arrested 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.040 women like Stacy who were caught soliciting on the northeast 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:10.520 side of Kansas City, Kansas. 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:15.159 If you're brought into questioning, they took a Polaroi picture 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:15.439 of you. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.000 The photos were kind of like mugshots, but Glupski wasn't 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.119 just using the photos to record these women's arrests. 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.040 He would take that polaroid and set it in front 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.080 of them and tell them, either you do what I 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.520 want you to do, or your picture goes out there 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:32.840 as you being a snitch. 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.120 If their photos were somehow leaked, the community would think 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.919 there were confidential informants, So most of them agreed to 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:46.000 whatever Glupski wanted them to do, including giving him sexual 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:50.280 favors or information from the street and the ones who 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:54.359 pushed back, they found out just how far Gulupski was 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.600 prepared to go to get what he wanted. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:03.919 The stories of the cemetery, Oh my god, the cemetery 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:08.960 stories were hard to hear. I couldn't imagine someone putting 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:10.320 me in that much fear. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.400 Cadiza heard that if he arrested them and they refused 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.000 to bend to his will, he would pick them up 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.199 in the dead of night, take them out of the 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:25.160 residential areas and slowly drive them north of eighteenth Street, 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.600 passed the railroad tracks, out of sight, and over to 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:34.240 the cemetery. 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.480 The whole time he's driving them to the cemetery, he's 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:38.760 holding a gun to their head. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.679 He drove them through the field of headstones. He showed 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:50.760 them polaroids of other women who hadn't complied, women who 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:55.880 had mysteriously disappeared, and women who had been killed in violent, 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:57.800 in gruesome ways. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.159 Most of the time, they're sitting on the floorboard of 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.199 his truck where no one can see him, with the 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.600 gun just pointed down at him. Don't make them move, 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:07.560 don't move a muscle. 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:13.320 Gulupski's methods went beyond threats. He also used the car 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:18.399 drives through the cemetery to abuse his terrified passengers. 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:22.680 Committing sexual acts on him as they go and doing 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:25.560 exactly what he wants them to do and commanding them 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:29.600 to do, even physically abusing them in those moments. And 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:34.199 then when they got to the cemetery, the beutilization, the 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:41.000 way he beat him, the way he would yeah doing it. 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:45.840 It was just it sounded awful. There was even one 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.439 woman who recalled Glupski telling her to get out of 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.240 the car and find a spot to dig the grave 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.560 her body would end up being buried in if she 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:57.439 refused him. It was heart wrenching, it was heartriching. 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:04.680 It was just yeah, kind of hard to put into 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:08.080 words because you can't imagine someone being treated that awful. 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.200 It's not easy to hear about such brutal violence and intimidation, 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.960 but it's important to understand what Gelupski was really doing 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:27.880 and getting away with to truly understand this story. Kadija 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.560 had her own way of coping when you heard these accounts. 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.040 I have one way where I just get in the 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.639 shower hot water and I'm on my knees and I 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:38.960 just scream and cry it out. 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:42.080 It was horrible. 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:47.320 I spent many days in the shower just crying because 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:49.520 the stories were awful. 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:03.119 As spoke to more women in Guendero, the same story 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:08.880 came up over and over again. Once Glupski had successfully 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:13.119 frightened victims into submission, he coerced them into becoming the 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:18.240 informants he would use to help make arrest, solve investigations, 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:28.040 and lock his chosen suspects away. The ownership he had 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.560 over these women became so well known in the KCYKPD 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:37.040 that some of his colleagues began to call them Gallupski's girls. 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:43.479 If Stacy Quinn was one of Glupski's girls, is it 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.720 possible that her role as an informant played a part 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:51.000 in her brutal murder. We couldn't know for sure, and 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.919 when we initially heard Stacy's story, we decided to accept 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:58.560 the official outcome of her murder investigation, thinking she was 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:09.399 an outlier. But then we heard about the list. 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:14.720 I Got you, I Got you, I Got You. 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:21.919 In twenty sixteen, Kadiza was called in for a confidential 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:25.760 meeting with Lamont McIntyre's lawyers. This was before Lamont was 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:29.960 exonerated for the double homicide and freed from prison. They 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:33.280 wanted to discuss the evidence they gathered about Roger Glupski 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:36.040 and share some of the information they'd then covered. 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:42.240 It was unnerving because she asked me several times during 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.640 the course of our meeting not to record her. I mean, 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.679 it was just like she was so edgy about it 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:50.240 and shake it about it, and I was just. 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:53.639 Like, I'm not recording you. Why would I record you. 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:57.560 Kadija gets the sense that the lawyer was on edge 0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:01.680 because she thought there was more to glue actions then 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:03.720 just coercion and abuse. 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:09.479 She pushed the list across the table and the list was, 0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:14.199 I guess an excel spread. She a list of women's names, 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:19.560 where it had the women and their date of birth, 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:25.040 then it had their address, and then it had what 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:28.720 happened to him. It was so unnerving to me because 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:31.800 the way the things are written up, like if they 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:34.920 were hit with a blunt force object, it was the 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:39.119 initials of blunt force object, or if they were shot, 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:42.359 it didn't necessarily say shot, is it caliber or something 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:46.480