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Speaker 1: Hey, it's Nicky. I just wanted to let you know

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Speaker 1: that this is a pretty tough episode. It's a story

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Speaker 1: of love, resilience, and the links the women of Kansas

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Speaker 1: City went to try and look out for each other,

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Speaker 1: but in the process we delve into stories about substance abuse, violence, murder,

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Speaker 1: and sexual assault. If you or someone you love has

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Speaker 1: been affected by any of the themes in the show,

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Speaker 1: we've left some links in the description that offer resources

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Speaker 1: and support take care of yourself. After seeing her older

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Speaker 1: sister Stacy get kidnapped and losing two friends to murder,

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Speaker 1: Nico was at a loss. Stacy was working on the

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Speaker 1: streets addicted to drugs, and Roger Glubski, the police officer

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Speaker 1: who lurked in the shadows of their lives, seemed unstoppable.

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Speaker 1: Then in the fall of nineteen ninety nine, Nico got

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Speaker 2: She had got caught in somebody's house, a drug house,

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Speaker 2: and basically she took the rap for everything that they found.

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Speaker 2: Stacy was arrested and charged her what The judge told

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Speaker 2: he wanted her to get her life together and get

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Speaker 1: Nico reasoned that Stacy would be safer behind bars than

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Speaker 1: surrounded by temptation in Quendero. At some point, she went

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Speaker 2: It took them by thirty forty five minutes for them

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Speaker 3: Up to see her.

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Speaker 1: When the sisters came face to face, it was in

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Speaker 2: Stacy was late and I'm like, where was you at?

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Speaker 2: And she was sitting up on the little thing and

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Speaker 1: She didn't need to say what had happened for Nico

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Speaker 1: to understand what the guards had seen. Stacy was supposed

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Speaker 2: So I called my sister and she said, girl Stacy snitching.

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Speaker 1: Nico knew that people could shorten their sentences by becoming

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Speaker 2: As soon as I hung up the front with my sister,

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Speaker 1: It was only around four months into what Nico says

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Speaker 2: I started asking her, how does she get there? What

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Speaker 2: on good behavior. I said, no, Daddy, adding up, because

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Speaker 2: I know what the judge said. I asked her how

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, where are you going? She said, I'll

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Speaker 2: I just came to get some clothes and I'm leaving,

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Speaker 2: so I'm like, how did you get out? I'm asking

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Speaker 2: She said, I said no. When she walked out the door,

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Speaker 2: She said, she's just ran out there, got a car

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Speaker 1: I was like, what she watches on as Gallupski drives

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Speaker 2: Maybe a couple of days later, she had came to

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Speaker 3: And she was shaking. She said, this.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, who is he? He be riding up

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Speaker 2: I said, so why are you going up there? And

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Speaker 3: I said, I don't.

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Speaker 2: But if somebody tell you they're gonna hurt you or

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Speaker 3: Why would you go back out there?

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Speaker 1: Nico could do nothing but watch on as Stacy left

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Speaker 2: Oh God, my got it.

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Speaker 4: I got.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nikki Richardson and from the Team's at Novel and

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Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts, this is the Girlfriend's untouchable.

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Speaker 3: I I Got you.

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Speaker 2: I'm you, by God, I got you.

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Speaker 5: I got you, I.

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Speaker 2: Got you, I got you, I Got.

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Speaker 1: You, Episode five, I Smell a Wrath.

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Speaker 2: I Got You.

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Speaker 1: I Got You. Nico had led with love for years.

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Speaker 1: She knew how much trauma her sister had experienced and

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Speaker 1: But by the year two thousand, she was exhausted by

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Speaker 1: Stacy's self destructive lifestyle. So they had the kind of intense,

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Speaker 1: honest fight you can only have with someone you love.

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Speaker 2: She was arguing with me about this money that I had,

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Speaker 2: so I told her, I'm gonna give you this money

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Speaker 2: and forget you. You don't know me, You dead to me.

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Speaker 2: You see me on the streets, don't even talk to me.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep going, and we both said that to

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Speaker 1: They fell out of contact for a while until January.

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Speaker 2: Friday night, I had got off of work. I was

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Speaker 3: I said, what's up.

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Speaker 1: It was Stacey, tired and strung out.

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Speaker 2: She was like, hey, sis, and I get a couple

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Speaker 3: I said for what.

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Speaker 2: She said, I want to get something to eat and

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Speaker 2: I need some cigarettes. I said, I ain't buying no crack.

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Speaker 3: If you need to take shower, whatever, you can come

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Speaker 2: And she's like, can I just get some money for

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Speaker 3: I said, yeah, don't go buy no dope with this.

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Speaker 2: And I got her ten or twenty dollars something like that,

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Speaker 2: and I said, it's food at the house. You can

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Speaker 2: come back home. If you need to come home, you

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Speaker 3: I was angry.

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Speaker 2: I apologized for the things I said. She told me

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Speaker 2: We talked and she was just telling me how she

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Speaker 1: It was getting difficult for Nico to relate to her sister.

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Speaker 1: The drugs were making Stacy suspicious of everything. She would

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Speaker 2: Her words to my sister is I'm trying to save y'all.

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Speaker 1: They assumed it was paranoia, a side effect that the

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Speaker 2: We was gonna go to church, me his mother. So

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Speaker 1: But at around three am, the phone rang. It woke

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Speaker 3: His mama answered the phone.

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Speaker 1: The house went quiet for a moment until she called

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Speaker 3: His mother was screaming like Chris, somebody on the phone.

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Speaker 3: Somebody on the phone. I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 3: So he got the phone.

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Speaker 1: There was silence again, and.

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Speaker 2: He answered it that. He said, Babe, you better come

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Speaker 1: A lifetime flashed through her eyes. The girlhood days playing pretend,

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Speaker 2: I don't care what she done, I don't care what

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Speaker 1: But Nico would never be able to hug her sister again.

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Speaker 1: Nico listened as the police told her that early on

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Speaker 2: Every time she got shot, she got up, it was

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Speaker 1: People who lived near the crime scene said Stacy had

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Speaker 6: She asked for my coat, and I gave it my coat.

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Speaker 1: A red Chiefs jacket. They'd exchanged I love you, and

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Speaker 1: then Janelle had headed out with his friends.

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Speaker 6: We had a little thing for like teenagers, you know,

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Speaker 6: something for us, you know, come there and play chill.

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Speaker 6: It was like a little RECU action center.

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Speaker 1: Janelle had fun at the party, but as he left

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Speaker 6: It was just power and then power, you know what

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Speaker 6: something while they were shooting.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't until his Auntie broke the news that Janelle

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Speaker 2: At this time, he's about fifteen, sixteen years old, and

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Speaker 2: I knew that was my mama when I heard the guyshots.

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Speaker 1: At just thirty one years old. Stacy Quinn was that

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Speaker 1: I had you.

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Speaker 2: Because her last words to me was to take care

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Speaker 1: Still. Nico couldn't help, but wonder if there was another

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Speaker 2: There's too many predators. There's too many devils out here, snakes,

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Speaker 1: As Kadija and I listened to Nico telling us this

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Speaker 1: during and after La McIntyre's exoneration, that Gallupski had an

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Speaker 1: unusual relationship with confidential informants. There are a number of

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Speaker 5: Being a snitch into the black community means that you

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Speaker 1: Rumors that you're helping the police are the kind of

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Speaker 1: was no stranger to confidential informants, but it was how

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Speaker 5: If you're brought into questioning, they took a Polaroi picture

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Speaker 1: The photos were kind of like mugshots, but Glupski wasn't

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Speaker 5: He would take that polaroid and set it in front

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Speaker 1: If their photos were somehow leaked, the community would think

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Speaker 5: The stories of the cemetery, Oh my god, the cemetery

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Speaker 1: Cadiza heard that if he arrested them and they refused

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Speaker 5: The whole time he's driving them to the cemetery, he's

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Speaker 1: He drove them through the field of headstones. He showed

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Speaker 1: them polaroids of other women who hadn't complied, women who

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Speaker 1: had mysteriously disappeared, and women who had been killed in violent,

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Speaker 5: Most of the time, they're sitting on the floorboard of

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Speaker 1: Gulupski's methods went beyond threats. He also used the car

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Speaker 5: Committing sexual acts on him as they go and doing

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Speaker 5: exactly what he wants them to do and commanding them

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Speaker 5: then when they got to the cemetery, the beutilization, the

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Speaker 1: It was just it sounded awful. There was even one

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Speaker 5: It was just yeah, kind of hard to put into

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Speaker 1: It's not easy to hear about such brutal violence and intimidation,

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Speaker 1: but it's important to understand what Gelupski was really doing

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Speaker 1: and getting away with to truly understand this story. Kadija

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Speaker 5: I have one way where I just get in the

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Speaker 3: It was horrible.

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Speaker 5: I spent many days in the shower just crying because

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Speaker 1: As spoke to more women in Guendero, the same story

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Speaker 1: If Stacy Quinn was one of Glupski's girls, is it

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Speaker 2: I Got you, I Got you, I Got You.

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Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, Kadiza was called in for a confidential

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Speaker 1: meeting with Lamont McIntyre's lawyers. This was before Lamont was

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Speaker 5: It was unnerving because she asked me several times during

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Speaker 5: it was just like she was so edgy about it

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Speaker 3: Like, I'm not recording you. Why would I record you.

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Speaker 1: Kadija gets the sense that the lawyer was on edge

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Speaker 5: She pushed the list across the table and the list was,

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Speaker 5: I guess an excel spread. She a list of women's names,

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Speaker 5: like that. Phyxiation and suffocation, and I was just like what.

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Speaker 1: The brutality of those reports.

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Speaker 5: Listen, baby, it was nerve racking that Oh my god,

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Speaker 5: you know, at that point my mind was just like

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Speaker 1: Thirty three murdered women who were said to have, at

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Speaker 1: some point in their lives been associated with Roger Glubski.

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Speaker 1: Thirty three women with friends, family, loved ones, and dreams

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Speaker 1: and then of course her sister, Stacy Quinn. But we

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Speaker 5: If you hear Stacy's story, it sounds like it's an

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Speaker 1: Stories of women who are being pressured into doing something

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Speaker 1: they didn't want to do, who were too scared to

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Speaker 1: police officer was threatening her and warned them to stay

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Speaker 3: I think Stacy was at the point where it didn't matter.

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Speaker 5: Yeah you know what I mean, They're either going to

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Speaker 5: so at this point it really don't matter. But how

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Speaker 5: think about everybody and have such a big heart, that

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Speaker 1: I don't think we fall too far from that tree, though,

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Speaker 1: because it was the fact that I recognized that Stacy

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Speaker 1: was willing to risk her own life for it. That

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Speaker 1: forced me and I'm assuming you too, He said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: is this worth risking my life for it? Because speaking

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Speaker 1: out has consequences. The more we dug into Glupski, the

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Speaker 1: more style Ksek began to feel. We tried to reach

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Speaker 1: out to the authorities, but the more questions we asked,

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Speaker 1: the more resistance we were met with. In fact, we

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Speaker 1: started to feel like they were actively trying to intimidate

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Speaker 1: us out of investigating. At one point, some police officers

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Speaker 1: even showed up at my grandmother's door trying to question

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Speaker 1: me for a speeding offense that I hadn't even been

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Speaker 1: on the right side of the city to commit, So

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Speaker 1: don't be mistaken. We started that journey scared as hell.

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Speaker 5: Hearing those stories and understanding what the women went through

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Speaker 5: was like, do you really want to do this? Do

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Speaker 5: you really want to put yourself in this situation?

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Speaker 1: Fear wasn't going to protect our community, so Kadija and

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Speaker 1: I got to work. At the time, we didn't have

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Speaker 1: an office or any official place to operate, so we

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Speaker 1: just met wherever we could coffee shops, libraries, and at

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Speaker 1: local businesses.

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Speaker 5: When we did decide we would meet, it would be

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Speaker 5: locally owned, ye black owned and very community friendly.

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Speaker 1: Kadija have been getting calls and messages ever since Lamon's

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Speaker 1: exeneration case, so we set up a Facebook page and

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Speaker 1: email address for anyone else who wanted to get in

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Speaker 1: contact with us.

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Speaker 5: We made data for each one of the women putting

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Speaker 5: their identity out there, who they were saying, say their name.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, we spent the first thirty two

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Speaker 1: days of the summer sharing stories of injustice in Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: involving Roger Gulupski. Hello out there, my name is Nikki,

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Speaker 1: and you were about to listen to the very first

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Speaker 1: episode of my brand new podcast called Seventh Street. I

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Speaker 1: started a podcast where I interviewed their loved ones and

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Speaker 1: drew awareness to what had happened to them. He got

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Speaker 1: messages from mothers, sisters, aunts, and daughters, painting a picture

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Speaker 1: of the women they lost and the lives they lived

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Speaker 1: beyond the way the world saw them.

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Speaker 5: Most of them were labor, prostitutes or drug addicts. Most

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Speaker 5: of these women didn't ask for what they got, didn't

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Speaker 5: ask to be a prostitute, didn't ask to be a

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Speaker 5: drug addict or an informant. They didn't ask for this.

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Speaker 1: Some of them had been victims of childhood abuse, others

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Speaker 1: had grown up in the midst of the crack epidemic,

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Speaker 1: and many of them were mothers who ended up having

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Speaker 1: to leave their children behind. But none of that should

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Speaker 1: have even mattered. You shouldn't have to have a perfect

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Speaker 1: record of behavior for your death to be treated as

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Speaker 1: a tragedy, and you don't have to be a mother, daughter,

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Speaker 1: or saint for the authorities to be serious when it

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Speaker 1: comes to investigating your murder.

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Speaker 5: And then the way the world saw them was just

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Speaker 5: as horrible as what they had experienced.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to change that narrative.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to put real understand into these spaces of

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Speaker 5: these women.

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Speaker 1: We spoke to survivors, helped them get the counseling they needed,

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Speaker 1: and put them in contact with lawyers who could give

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Speaker 1: them legal support. But the more stories we heard, the

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Speaker 1: more we came to understand how deeply Glupski had affected

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Speaker 1: so many of the women in our community. I grew

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Speaker 1: up in Quandero, in the same area as a lot

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Speaker 1: of the victims we've heard from. As a kid I

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Speaker 1: had no awareness of how dangerous the place I called

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Speaker 1: home actually was, but my mother did, so I told

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Speaker 1: Kadija our story. My mother knew Roger Glupski. He used

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Speaker 1: to pull her over and hit on her, and she

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Speaker 1: had her issues with him, and so what she did

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Speaker 1: was she befriended him because she thought that would probably

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Speaker 1: be a better thing to do, and what have him

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Speaker 1: patrol when she knew I was walking from high school

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Speaker 1: to home because that was in his beat, to patrol

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Speaker 1: to make sure that I got home safe, because she

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Speaker 1: was worried about the sex offenders that lived across the

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Speaker 1: street on me. Then I realized he was a sex

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Speaker 1: offender in the midst of it all. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: not only did we look like it, but we could

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Speaker 1: have easily been a target. It is just simply because

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Speaker 1: I was a good student that went to Sumner Academy.

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Speaker 1: But if I didn't come from that kind of background

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Speaker 1: or that easily easily could have been preyed upon. The

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Speaker 1: victims were just a few degrees of separation from me.

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Speaker 1: The fight was personal. So in spite of our fears,

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Speaker 1: we set out to work towards three main goals, try

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Speaker 1: and figure out why so many of the women who'd

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Speaker 1: crossed paths with Roger Glupski were really murdered, pushed for

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Speaker 1: their cases to be reopened and make sure Gallupski was

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Speaker 1: finally held a cauntable for the years of pain he'd inflicted.

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Speaker 5: My mindset was to see that man with handcuffed shackled.

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Speaker 5: That was literally my.

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Speaker 1: Endgame, and we would do everything we could to try

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Speaker 1: to make that vision a reality. Coming up on The

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Speaker 1: Girlfriend's Untouchable, I think a lot of people knew what

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Speaker 1: Klupski was doing.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of crimes that he committed that we

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Speaker 2: could have prevented by taking him out.

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Speaker 4: Listen, if it was your mom that got killed in

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Speaker 4: the eighties and you did not grow up with no parents,

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Speaker 4: what would you had have done?

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Speaker 1: They said, we would have left it alone.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Could you pay your full name for the record.

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Speaker 4: The Sir Roger I told Roger Golupski, You're gonna see

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Speaker 4: my face till the day that you die.

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Speaker 1: The Girlfriend's Untouchable is produced by Novel for iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: For more from Novel, visit novel dot Audio. The show

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Speaker 1: is narrated by me Nicki Richardson. It was written and

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Speaker 1: produced by Rufaro Mazarua. The editor is Joe Wheeler. Our

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Speaker 1: assistant producer is Mohammed Ahmed. The researcher is Zayana Yusef.

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Speaker 1: Production management from Shuri Houston and Joe Savage. The fact

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Speaker 1: by Rufarro Masarua, Nicholas Alexander and Joe Wheeler. Original music

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