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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff. Which

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Speaker 2: I had this whole plan where I was going to

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Speaker 2: introduce in some clever way this time, because I used

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Speaker 2: I started the show, and then I stopped trying to

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Speaker 2: do and then like I was planning it, and then

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Speaker 2: I forgot. So I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and this

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Speaker 2: is a show about cool people who did cool stuff.

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Speaker 2: And I have a guest. My guest is Mia Himiya.

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Speaker 3: Hello, I'm happy, happy to be back on, happy to

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Speaker 3: be guesting and not hosting a podcast. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 3: good time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for anyone who's curious what me is referencing, she's

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Speaker 2: one of the hosts of I almost said cool People

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Speaker 2: did cool Stuff. But that's it could happen here because

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Speaker 2: all shows on this network must have slightly long names

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Speaker 2: that therefore are easy to confuse when you have do

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Speaker 2: you have a problem where like one down and another now,

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Speaker 2: and if they're like similarly formed or just the same

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Speaker 2: word in your head?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely real.

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Speaker 2: Yeah cool. I'm glad that it's not just me. The

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Speaker 2: other voice you just heard is our producer.

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Speaker 1: Sound I sound like shit, And it's because I have

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Speaker 1: a cold, but it and when I have a cold,

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Speaker 1: I have a little bit of a Southern accent, is

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Speaker 1: what we've learned. Yes, and that's just that, and you're

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Speaker 1: sound like shit, don't message me about it.

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Speaker 2: What's fun is ever since twenty twenty, if you have

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Speaker 2: a cold, it's you always have to be like, don't worry,

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Speaker 2: it's not COVID. But it's always good. But usually you're

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Speaker 2: talking in person and you're like trying it to warrn.

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Speaker 2: So I had this moment where you're like, are you

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Speaker 2: going to make sure to tell the audience that it's okay?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well no, because you test.

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Speaker 4: I mean I'm still not.

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Speaker 1: I still am not leaving my house because I don't

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Speaker 1: want anybody else to have this cold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was supposed to.

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Speaker 1: I was supposed to have a doctor's support tomorrow for

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Speaker 1: unrelated and now it can't moved for two months from now.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, oh, because I didn't want to give the

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Speaker 4: They're like, that's really great of you, see you in

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Speaker 4: two months.

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Speaker 2: I've been punished for my moral decision yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was like, all right, I guess my allergies don't

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Speaker 4: matter for two more months. Guys. Yeah, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: We also have an audio engineer we do.

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Speaker 1: His name is Ian and he's the best of the best.

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Speaker 1: Hi Ian, Hi Ian Hi Ian.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listener, it's your turn. You have to say it too.

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Speaker 2: And then we have a theme music. You already heard it.

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Speaker 2: It was by Unwoman, you'll hear it again. It's your

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Speaker 2: cue to press forward fifteen seconds, approximately six times on

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Speaker 2: your your thing until you hear the music again. Miam.

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask if you'd ever heard of

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Speaker 2: the rebellion in Patagonia, but then I remember that the

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Speaker 2: reason that you're this week's guest is because a couple

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Speaker 2: of months ago or some time ago, you and I

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Speaker 2: were talking about overlooked stories and I brought this one up,

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Speaker 2: and then I was like, you should just come on

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Speaker 2: the podcast and be the guest for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It's also very funny because, completely unrelated to this,

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Speaker 3: out of the blue, my girlfriend was like, started talking

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Speaker 3: about the rebellion Patagonia and I was like, hell, no,

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Speaker 2: My god, you have a deep history nerd girlfriend that rules.

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Speaker 3: He's great. Yeah, and just stuff like this just happens

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Speaker 2: Were like, you can't talk about it because you're because

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Speaker 2: I when my guests know what the topic is, they

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Speaker 2: are forbidden from researching it between, which is totally good

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Speaker 2: and not weird that I do that. So this will

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Speaker 2: probably be a four parter. This story is worth it.

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Speaker 2: If this show had seasons, I would do a whole

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Speaker 2: season on the rebellion in Patagonia. This story is the

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Speaker 2: reason that there's a show called Cool People Who Did

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Speaker 2: Cool Stuff. It's not the reason we picked the title.

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Speaker 2: It's the reason I wanted to do a history podcast.

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Speaker 2: I first learned this story I don't know, maybe five

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Speaker 2: care about this story because it's so cool. This case,

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Speaker 2: cares about anarchists history because I learned a lot of Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I pitched the show to cool Zone Media. Here

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Speaker 2: because it is the coolest shit story. But it's not

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Speaker 2: the like three question mark like big anarchist things that

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Speaker 3: So in between about nineteen seventeen nineteen nineteen, there was

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Speaker 3: it was Chile where they tried to do a Bolshevik

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Speaker 3: And it was a complete disaster. The police found out

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about those. Yeah, yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 2: The Argentinian one is it'll be the end of this

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Speaker 4: Don't know, Michael B. Jordan has a nice nose.

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Speaker 2: I'm even like a nosegirl. I they sent this on air,

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Speaker 4: You know this about you?

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Speaker 1: There's one thing about Margaret Killjoy. She's a nosegirl.

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Speaker 2: Anyway. So Patagonia, where our story takes place, where no

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Speaker 2: I'm explaining this. I have a feeling mea has a

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Speaker 3: Be fair, my geography is actually real. I happen to

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Speaker 3: Like I okay, I'm gonna say that. The most embarrassing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you think the enemy in the way somehow

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Speaker 3: It was lot going on there, It was a whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we're not going to make any assumptions about

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Speaker 2: of things that are hard to keep track of. There

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Speaker 2: are a lot of countries in this world. And so Argentina, okay,

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Speaker 2: so Patagonia southern trunk of South America. Part of it

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Speaker 2: of nineteen twenty to nineteen twenty two, thousands of indigenous

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Speaker 2: people in rural anarchists threw off their chains left led

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Speaker 2: a massive rural strike across a huge chunk of the country.

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Speaker 2: They fought with everything. They had to be treated decently

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Speaker 2: executed probably around fifteen hundred people who had already surrendered,

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Speaker 2: quite likely making them dig their own grapes. It is

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Speaker 2: a story that ties together a pacifist assassin, a hardened

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Speaker 3: No, a little bit, but I'm not a not an

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Speaker 3: Yes, Like this is like the single predictor of are there, Like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So pastries. Argentina is the only Spanish speaking country

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Speaker 3: They're rips.

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Speaker 2: As for the names of these pastries for which they

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Speaker 3: That was a jarring tone shift. Yeah, I guess that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I'm sure he absolutely would have encouraged you

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Speaker 2: I don't want to die. I'm not going to do

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Speaker 3: I did not know that's how we did that. That

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Speaker 2: I know it, Like, I know, I want to know

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Speaker 3: Like did he like he had to have broken out

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Speaker 2: Like I long, I know, I wish I knew. I like,

435
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: it's possible he just like fucking like at each dock

436
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: got in and out of the crate. I think it

437
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: wasn't that he smuggled himself. I think he was smuggled.

438
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: I think is a better way to put it, because

439
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 2: we have this like problem of like big Man of history.

440
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 2: Shit even leaks into antithiritarianism and we're like, oh, Malotesta,

441
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: he's the guy, right, you know, and he's like part

442
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,959
Speaker 2: of a movement, right, it's very power or movement and

443
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: it has you know, all the workers in it. And

444
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: so I think, but I don't know. I I tried. Yeah,

445
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: I mean it makes sense. I read a bunch of

446
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: different things, but none of the things I read got

447
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 2: beyond the the like one or two sentence part of

448
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: this story, you know.

449
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that is kind of the other problem

450
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: with Bryan ro Maltesta is he does so much stuff.

451
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 3: I know, that he's like, yeah, this is this is

452
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 3: a thing that for a normal person will be this

453
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 3: is the wildest thing you've ever done, and this this

454
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 3: is just like Wednesday.

455
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Now he's gonna do more shit like that.

456
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: That doesn't even make it into any of the Like,

457
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: if you read a ten page biography of Malatesta, it

458
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: does not mention you're lucky if it mentions he goes

459
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: to Argentina, even though he like the chain the dominoes

460
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 2: that he starts whatever. Anyway, I'll get to the dominoes.

461
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: So you know, he's not the guy who brought anarchism.

462
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: Anarchism is already there. He's sort of a figurehead that

463
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: people ascribe a lot of shit too. But he's fucking cool.

464
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: Sewing machine gun, the sewing thing is cool. And his

465
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: friends in Argentina are these anarchist bakers, and they wanted

466
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 2: a union, so they formed a union in eighteen eighty six.

467
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: And they did this. It wasn't like Mala Testa started

468
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: their union. Another Italian anarchist at Torre Mattey. He's the

469
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: name that's most often attached to this union. I think

470
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: it's just like, you know, pick a guy that's the

471
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: guy who we're going to write into the history books.

472
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: And this union has the sick name of the Cosmopolitan

473
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: Society of Resistance and Placement of Bakery Workers.

474
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Speaker 3: That's awesome. We need, we need, we need, we need

475
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: to go back to sick union names or I feel

476
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 3: like our union names have gotten kind of boring and

477
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 3: now we can do better.

478
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 2: I know, but they did follow. There's only two styles

479
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: of nineteenth century radical newspaper names. There's either the like

480
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: the torch or the bomb or whatever, and then there's

481
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: like the worker's paper. And their paper was yeah, their

482
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: paper was the working Baker.

483
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

484
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 2: Okay.

485
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Speaker 3: You know, look, you have to use all of your

486
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 3: cool naming on one thing. You have to concentrate it

487
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: all to make sure you don't have enough left for

488
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: the other one.

489
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: Totally. I mean to be fair.

490
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 5: I read a podcast called cool People Did Cool Stuff.

491
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 5: But you know, I wrote another one called live like

492
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 5: the World's Dying. That's poetic, right, so like, look at

493
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 5: me plugging my shit.

494
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: Okay. The Working Baker was often banned by the government

495
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 2: and was often printed and distributed illegally, which is like,

496
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: if you're gonna have a paper with a boring name.

497
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: It's gotta be the like, oh shit, man, did you

498
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: get a fucking copy of the Working Baker? Like, yo,

499
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: don't tell anyone, you like, open up your trench coat

500
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: and you pull out a couple of copies of the

501
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: Working Baker, you know, next to some croissants.

502
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Speaker 3: Was this one of those things where it was like

503
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 3: they had a bunch of friends in like the printing

504
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 3: press unions or whatever, or were they like doing get themselves.

505
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that. There are so

506
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: many people printing papers at this point. Yeah, that's true that, like,

507
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: and we're gonna talk about a bunch more of them.

508
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer. Unfortunately, I was tempted to

509
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 2: just answer and be like, I think it's this, but

510
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. In eighteen eighty seven, the

511
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 2: Cosmopolitan Society of Resistance and Placement of Bakery Workers had

512
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: their first strike. It lasted ten days. They the cops

513
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: tried to stop them, they fought back, and they won

514
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 2: the strike. After ten days they gained a thirty percent

515
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: wage increase.

516
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: Wow.

517
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: Shortly thereafter, the rail and steel workers were like, oh

518
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 2: that sounds good, and they went on stroke.

519
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah hell yeah.

520
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: The Baker's Union wasn't just one of the first unions

521
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: in Argentina. For a while, like I think like fifteen years,

522
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 2: it was like the union in Argentina. It was the biggest,

523
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: the baddest, and the most anarchy. Mali Testo wrote their

524
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: articles of incorporation and the other which is probably not

525
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: what they called it, but you know, he like wrote

526
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: the things that like this is how we do things,

527
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: and all the other unions were like, sweet, we'll use those. Thanks. Also,

528
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: in eighteen eighty six, a thing Malatesta did that I

529
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: can only find the two sentence version that would be

530
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: an entire fucking novel if it had happened to anybody else.

531
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: Mala Testa set out to do what like everyone in

532
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 2: every Western I've ever seen has done. He and four

533
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: people wandered into the desert looking for gold supposedly hidden

534
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 2: there by the Argentinian army that had been stolen from

535
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 2: indigenous people during the conquest of the desert.

536
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: Why yeah, sure, why not?

537
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just like, I'm even better to do.

538
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: Malatesta treasure Hunter or not what I thought was gonna

539
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: be happening in this episode. When I woke up this.

540
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: Morning, I want to write this story is so bad.

541
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure he wrote about it. This man did not.

542
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: This man wrote a lot, you know, but I like,

543
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: I might have to learn Italian just to fucking read

544
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: his take on it. And I'm too embarrassed to learn

545
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: other languages solely for the purpose of anarchist history research,

546
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: like until I get better at my Spanish, I'm not

547
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: allowed to do that, like the language that people actually

548
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: speak in the country I live in. Yeah, so he

549
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: returns empty handed a few weeks later, and who knows,

550
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: or maybe he found it all and I don't know,

551
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: but you know, and he just like socked it away.

552
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: He stuck around Argentina for a few more years, and

553
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: they returned to Italy to keep getting interested and get

554
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: organizing and being cool. And one day I'll just like

555
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: give up on life and do a ten part episode

556
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: on him or something.

557
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

558
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: Anyway, so this is Baker's union, and part of the

559
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: reason it was such a big deal. It seems like

560
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: such a like minor thing to me, Like a baker

561
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: is like, oh, it's cool, Like I like making bread.

562
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: I started learning to do that. You know, bread is

563
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: a really big deal, and it's a big deal in

564
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: a kind of interesting way. That's different than a lot

565
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: of other places. You did this whole sea on food

566
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: rides and how they're like the basis of everything, right, Yeah,

567
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: and most of the times, correct me if I'm wrong.

568
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: Most of the times, it's like bread is the staple food,

569
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: and therefore the price of bread is like what everything

570
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: revolves around, and so all these like revolutions around bread

571
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: or like we demand bread blah blah blah. Right, basically

572
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: saying like we demand food, we want calories. Is that

573
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: a correct assessment of like Europeans.

574
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I mean also like, yeah, it's just

575
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: how a lot of it's just it's the thing that

576
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: a lot of food production is based off of for

577
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: a really really long time in a lot of places.

578
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Argentina, it's different. It's a class thing. Bread. A

579
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: loaf of bread costs three times more than meat. Jesus. Yeah,

580
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: So a loaf of bread was a symbol of working

581
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: class resistance because it was a symbol of like upper

582
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: class bougie shit. Right, And I think pastries and stuff

583
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: like that probably tie into that too, But basically like

584
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: they're like we get to eat bread. That is a

585
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: thing that we deserve. We don't just need meat, you know.

586
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: So well, what I'm getting out of this is the

587
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: old bread and Roses slogan. The significance of the bread

588
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: and the roses have been flipped.

589
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, yeah, yeah no, And it's just so funny

590
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: to me because like, yeah, usually like bread, like usually

591
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: meat is the like, well, rich people get to eat meat.

592
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: I could eat meat too, I mean not in the

593
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: United States, where everyone eats too much meat, but that's

594
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: okay anyway, So the bakers they're not fucking around. They

595
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: organized one hundred and six strikes between eighteen eighty seven

596
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: and nineteen oh seven.

597
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: Wow, that's that's a lot of strike. Yeah, and I

598
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 3: guess also part of that too is like given so

599
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: immediately I was like, okay, how many strikes per day?

600
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: Is that?

601
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 5: I know?

602
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: I was like yeah, But the problem is you can't

603
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: even do a measure like that because strikes last time,

604
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: so like there's only it's a number of strikes you

605
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: could conceivably have, assuming your strikes are like lasting more

606
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: than like a day. Totally, I think makes it even

607
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: more impressive.

608
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: I know, and like I don't entirely know if these

609
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: are all baker strikes, and they are all over the country. Right,

610
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of other anarchists like strongholds besides Buenos Aires.

611
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: And most of today's story is going to be about

612
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: Buenos Aires, but there's like all these all these things

613
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: are also happening in other cities, in towns. And one

614
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: of the reasons that they're such a powerful union is one,

615
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: the upper class really likes their stuff, right, and two

616
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: it's skilled labor. And it's hard to bring in scabs

617
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: because if like all of the bakers, you're like, you

618
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: know how to bake, you're an anarchist now, right, So like,

619
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: who the fuck are you going to get to scab?

620
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: It's not lift this heavy thing and move it. I

621
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: don't believe in unskilled labor, but there's still different scales

622
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: of certain types of things, right, And you know, and

623
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: and an artisan thing is different than factory line production.

624
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm not sure to talk show on factory line workers.

625
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: They so the bakers, they four mutual aid societies, which

626
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: is a different sort of thing than modern mutual aid

627
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: organizations that I think is like worth pointing out. These

628
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: are like anarchists fraternal organizations where the members take care

629
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: of one another rather than like most modern conceptions of

630
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: anarchist mutual aid is like for all comers, right. They

631
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: started turning bakeries into workers cooperatives, which is like where

632
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: I like, I love when people just start getting to

633
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: the point where they're like, wait, why do we need

634
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: bosses at all? Fuck this? Yeah, they coordinated with the

635
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: other unions. Basically, whenever someone else went on strike, if

636
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: the bakers joined them, it was over. It would soon

637
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: spiral into a general strike, which is a fuck ton

638
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: of and owners would be forced to give up to

639
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: the workers demands. Anarchists led like six general strikes around

640
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: the turn of the century. And that's not even There's

641
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: gonna be a bunch more later that we're gonna talk

642
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: about that you mentioned the top of the episode. Along

643
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: the way, they named their bag goods to make fun

644
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: of their three main enemies, the government, the military, and

645
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: the church. So they had friars, balls, none size bombs,

646
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: little cannons. The names remain today, and I'm like the

647
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 2: little books, I kind of wonder because some of them

648
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: are like, oh, these are to make like the like

649
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: or like little cannons, or to make fun of the military.

650
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Speaker 2: I'm like are they or were they like we like

651
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Speaker 2: shooting people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like, well, I mean, I guess, I guess.

653
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Speaker 3: My Kenner argument to that is that I feel like

654
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Speaker 3: the unions are less likely to have cannons, and the government.

655
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Speaker 2: Is that's true. Although some of these people came from

656
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: the fucking Paris Commune which started over the workers had

657
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: some cannons, that's true, and then the government was like, wait,

658
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: we don't want to have cannons anymore, and they were

659
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: like come and take it, like the fucking Texas thing,

660
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: only it was real and it was about cannons anyway. Sorry,

661
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: it's a tangients.

662
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, I mean, I guess you're sometimes we

663
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Speaker 3: have cannons, like is the motto of the nineteenth Citry

664
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Speaker 3: workers movement.

665
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. One of the worst mix strips I

666
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: ever did was like anarchist pirates and they're like, bring

667
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: up the cannons, and the person was like, bring up

668
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: the cannon. The person's like, we have no cannon and

669
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Speaker 2: it's like spelled with one end because you know, there's

670
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: no holy books and the anarchist tradition, and then the

671
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: other the pirate captains like you fucking pedant like, bring

672
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: up the canons with two ends, and he's like, oh,

673
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: we don't have those either. He used to write comic

674
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: strips a long time ago anyway, So where the fuck

675
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Speaker 2: am I? Okay, that's the background. The pastries part of

676
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Speaker 2: the background. We're going to do some more background now.

677
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Speaker 2: Argentina and the turn of the twentieth century is incredibly

678
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Speaker 2: full of immigrants. By nineteen fourteen, Argentina had the highest

679
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Speaker 2: percentage of foreign born residents of any country in the world.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

681
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Speaker 2: Also, notably, and hard to understand from an American exceptionalist

682
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: point of view, it had a higher GDP per capita

683
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: than the US did around this time, so it was

684
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: like a more successful country for the upper class. The

685
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: labor movement kept growing, and for much but not all,

686
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: of that time, we'll talk about when it slips in

687
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: and out of that. It was largely an anarchist A

688
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: bunch of anarchist newspapers were published and then regularly repressed.

689
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Speaker 2: The Voice of the Woman was in a narca feminist

690
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: newspaper around that time, edited by Virginia Bolton. And I'm

691
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Speaker 2: going to talk about her because I think she's as

692
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Speaker 2: good of a person as I need to understand some

693
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: stuff about the movement at the time, and she's cool.

694
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Speaker 2: Virginia Bolton probably born in eighteen seventy. Some things I

695
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: read to at eighteen seventy six, but I think they're

696
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: wrong because I did some math and I also saw

697
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: all the ones that sad eighteen seventy She was born

698
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: in Uruguay, the daughter of working class German immigrants, and

699
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: she grew up to be like I, well, grew up

700
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Speaker 2: to be. I think she did this as a kid.

701
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Speaker 2: She was a shoemaker and a sugar maker, which are

702
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: like the two jobs that two of the jobs that

703
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: like poor girls can work. As a teenager, she's hanging

704
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: out with the baker's union. And then she led the

705
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 2: first women strike in Argentina in eighteen eighty nine, which

706
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: is a sea strike, like probably nineteen years old when

707
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: she runs this, And I don't even think she's a seamstress,

708
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: although there will be if we count the sewing machines

709
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: from before, there's at least three. Anyway, Yeah, at twenty

710
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: years old, she becomes the first woman to address a

711
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: labor rally in the country, at a May Day rally,

712
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: and this is like right when May day is becoming

713
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: a thing. Right. This is only a couple years after

714
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: the Haymarket martyrs have died in Chicago. See the very

715
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: first episode of this show. She was one of the

716
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 2: women who ran this newspaper, The Woman's Voice for two years.

717
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: It was in our anarchist communist newspaper. And it was

718
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: not only the first anarchic feminist South America newspaper, this

719
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: was the first buy and four women publication of any

720
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: kind in South America. Wow, I love when we get

721
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: that shit. I love that the first gay newspaper in

722
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: the world was an anarchist. Like, I love that, like

723
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 2: finding all the shit that were just like left out

724
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: of you know. But it was printed using basically the

725
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 2: sugar workers and the shoe workers were like they used

726
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: their own wages to make this newspaper happen. It was

727
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: labeled appears when it can, rather than like monthly or

728
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: daily or whatever, which a bunch of the other newspapers

729
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: were also using. And it was a little bit like, oh,

730
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Speaker 2: it's hard to afford, and it was a little bit

731
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: like a lot of the shit's illegal half the time

732
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 2: we do it, you know. It included voices from anarchists

733
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: women around the world, and you like this part. I

734
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: think it included articles that like talk shit on specific

735
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: misogynist anarchists men. Hell yeah, and this scared the shit

736
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Speaker 2: out of shitty anarchist bros. She toured around the continent

737
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: speaking on feminism and anarchist communism. She helped set up

738
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Speaker 2: Castado Pueblo, the house of the People Cultural Center that

739
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: had reading. Said the library had an orchestra, and just

740
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: like all the coldal shit that proved like it's like

741
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: one of the things I keep running across. I fucking

742
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: love's like working class class people coming together and be like, no,

743
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: we can have all the rich shit. We just have

744
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: to fucking do it together, you know. Yeah, and uh,

745
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: and the other way to get rich shit is to

746
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 2: sell advertising on a podcast. I mean to buy things

747
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: to participate in whatever. I keep doing these things where

748
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I hate selling ads, and it's like

749
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: I do right, Like I don't like that.

750
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Speaker 1: This is a thing that I'm really good at doing

751
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: the ad transitions.

752
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it. And it's like because I

753
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: want to like flag it a little bit, but I'm

754
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: also not like it just fucking eat is what it is.

755
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: Everyone fucking has work. Some people, you know, we all

756
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: work for things, and including a bunch of people we're

757
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: talking about today, you know, and I work for this thing,

758
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: and I really appreciate the chance to get to talk

759
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: to you all, not just you two although YouTube specifically,

760
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: but even the greater you all in the audience. So

761
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: here's some mats and we're back. I was supposed to

762
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: do that, like really ironically, and I went Ernest, and

763
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Speaker 2: I'm very sorry. It won't happen again.

764
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Speaker 4: You know what you did though? You provided context?

765
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Speaker 2: Oh god, Margaret context killed joy. The reason I picked

766
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: that middle name is because.

767
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Speaker 4: The way that's not a bit.

768
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally so later Virginia Bolton she forms the

769
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Speaker 2: Central Feminino Anarchista the Anarchist Women's Center in nineteen oh

770
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Speaker 2: seven with a bunch of other women, including some of

771
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Speaker 2: the other Actually I don't remember if some of these

772
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Speaker 2: other women got into the scripture not. I don't remember.

773
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Speaker 2: I sometimes whenever it's like a ton of names, sometimes

774
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm going to not introduce a new name

775
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: because I can't remember names for shit. And I used

776
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: to hate history because it was just like memorized dates

777
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: and names and like that wasn't what is interesting. If

778
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: it'd been like if the history books have been like

779
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: here's when like, you know, Jews and Irish immigrants kicked

780
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: out all the like beat up all the fascists in England,

781
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: I'd be like, whoa history rules instead of being like,

782
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: on what date did the following three named people beat

783
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: the shit out of all the fascists? And you know,

784
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: it's like, that's not the way that my brain works.

785
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: Do you have that problem or where are you at here?

786
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I well, for the longest time I

787
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: had I just couldn't do dates at all. It was

788
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: a real disaster. But then I don't know, I mean,

789
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Speaker 3: I think I think the thing you're getting at is

790
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: like it's history as narrative is just much easier to

791
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: follow than history is like timeline, which is the way

792
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: that it's usually thought of.

793
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: Totally.

794
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: I think the thing that the thing that I got

795
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: to was like once you've once you know the story

796
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: and you know enough of the context, you like you

797
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: kind of just start figuring out the dates because you know,

798
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: like around when what cycle of thing is happening?

799
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Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, and then I start carrying I only

800
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 2: care about dats is because they relate to other things.

801
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: If I want to say, like, oh, led this may

802
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: day strike, and then I'm like, oh, that's actually really

803
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: interesting because it was like three years after the Chicago Martyrs, right,

804
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 2: you know, like that's when it becomes interesting. Like dates

805
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: are the things that tie the pieces together of the web,

806
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 2: but they're not the substance, you know. Okay, So Virginia

807
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 2: Bolton when she gets sick and anarchist theater troop fund

808
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: raises for her recovery. Oh, I know. In nineteen oh two,

809
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: the state passed a residency law, which is basically an

810
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: anti anarchist law. They were like, they gave themselves permission

811
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: to deport any immigrant who disturbs public order, and I

812
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: think they explicitly name anarchists in the text of the law.

813
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: This is used. You will be shocked to know, to

814
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: deport immigrants that they believe are disturbing the public order. Wow,

815
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: who could have anticipated that happening in this country and

816
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: other countries I know. And so in nineteen oh five,

817
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: her partner was kicked out of the country during a

818
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 2: sweep of anarchists and he ended up taking the kids,

819
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: but they were still dating. So this actually just like

820
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: seems like a cool thing. Like I think it was

821
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 2: like he was like, all right, you're busy doing all

822
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 2: this shit, So I'll take the kids and take care

823
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: of them in Duguay. And so she stays in Argentina

824
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: for a couple more years. A few years later, she

825
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: becomes the first woman to ported under the residency laws.

826
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, so she's able to reunite with her family.

827
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: I doubt she's like crazy bummed about it, you know.

828
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah where She starts a new anarchist feminist newspaper called

829
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Speaker 2: The New Path, and starts in a feminist association that

830
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: met at the Electrical Workers' Union. And she lived a

831
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Speaker 2: long ass life. She died sometime around nineteen sixty, still

832
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: down for the fucking cause. Wow, Virginia Bolton, you were

833
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 2: cool as hell. Hell yeah, anarchism in Argentina. I usually

834
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: don't read the headlines, the headings of the sections, but

835
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: here I did. I already did it, and I can't.

836
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: There's no takebacks, there's no editing. We're live people. Whenever

837
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: you're listening to this, I it sends a ping and

838
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: me and Mia get back on the fucking mic.

839
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Speaker 4: Sorry, what was the title of that section and.

840
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: Because I'm in Argentina, Yeah, there's no editing.

841
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 4: Now you've said it twice.

842
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: Ah crap. See, being a podcaster means you constantly have

843
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 3: to be on your on your toes for the clever

844
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: traps throat. Now you I.

845
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Speaker 1: Can imagine like doing radio and like still apping a

846
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: job the way that we talk.

847
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wouldn't. I'm pretty sure that they'd make

848
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: a new residency law. I don't care. If you're a

849
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 2: sim then yeah, you're kicked out of the radio.

850
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 4: I'm like, no way.

851
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Every now and then I do like live radio,

852
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 2: like an interview, like talking about a topic or something

853
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: like that, and it's so hard not to cuss.

854
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 4: It's so hard to cut.

855
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: And uh, that's why we're on the podcasting.

856
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, where we can say bad words like fudge and darn. Yeah,

857
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: and if they if we just said the bad ones,

858
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 2: but if you heard the not bad ones, it means

859
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: that they got edited by the overlords.

860
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: So the FCC's got to us.

861
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, just come up with all of the most obscene

862
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 6: things I could possibly say that are not technically involving,

863
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 6: like descriptions of sex or anyway.

864
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 2: So it's the eighteen nineties, and anarchism is doing this thing.

865
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: In Argentina, Communist anarchism in particular have set up a

866
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: bunch of studios socialis, which translates to social studies. But

867
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: I think in this case means like social centers that

868
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: I think focus mostly on education. Clearly, I didn't find

869
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: more than one source that gave me more than the

870
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: name of it and then started trying to infer, and

871
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: that's not what I'm supposed to do. But they did

872
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: form what I know more about. They formed what they

873
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: called resistance societies. Have you heard of this model?

874
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 4: No?

875
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: So I think early anarchists, you know, you start off

876
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: with these mutual aid organizations, right, which are essentially fraternal

877
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: organizations in some ways, and then they would move into

878
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 2: resistance societies, which is somewhere between that and a union.

879
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 2: It's like where they start being like a mutual aids

880
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: to a society that's like armed. Basically they're not necessarily armed,

881
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 2: but like ready to do direct action. You know. It's

882
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: like the affinity group model meets the fraternal organization model.

883
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: They're really interesting to me. Eventually these evolve into the unions, right,

884
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: This is not the only evolution of unions. I don't

885
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: know enough about the history, but I has something to

886
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: do with the land enclosures in England and some other stuff.

887
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 2: Since this is leftism that we're talking about, the Marxists

888
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: and the anarchists waged a bitter war of words against

889
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: each other for the hearts and minds of the working class.

890
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: Ah arguing whether or not you can use tyranny to

891
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: raise tyranny from the world, said clearly the anarchist. Then

892
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: within the anarchists, they also argued bitterly, and they argued

893
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: bitterly over whether large scale organizations were chill or whether

894
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: like nothing should get beyond the resistance society level. And

895
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: they also argued about whether propaganda of the deed in

896
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 2: this case, like at this time it's like mostly like

897
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: a lot of like killing of kings and other like

898
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: rulers and cops and stuff, whether that's justified, right, And

899
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: so they argue about all these things because history is

900
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: a wheel and we are lashed to it, and it

901
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: will repeat yep. In eighteen ninety seven, a Catalan carpenter

902
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: and an Italian baker came together to form the most

903
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: influential newspaper on the left, an anarchist paper called Lo

904
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: Protesta Yumana the Human Protest. By nineteen oh three it

905
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: was just La Protesta.

906
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: I was about to say, like that, that's a that's

907
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: a surprisingly interesting name for the largest paper. It's like, no, no,

908
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 3: screw that, it's not the protest That that was too different.

909
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're right. They were like, well, we need a

910
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: we had to name something else fancy, so they had

911
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: to unfancy their newspaper. You know. By nineteen oh four,

912
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: this is a daily paper. No more appears when it can.

913
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: This is a daily paper in the country, and all

914
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: over the country. There are dozens of anarchist newspapers and

915
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: other labor papers, but again anarchism being the dominant thing

916
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: until about nineteen fifteen, and anyway there's another. There's at

917
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: least one other daily. There's newspapers in Spanish, Italian and French.

918
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: And there's like a chicken and egg thing about the

919
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: newspapers and the labor struggles, because you're kind of like

920
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: they feed into each other and the country is alive

921
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: with workers fighting for a world without a state or capitalism,

922
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 2: and they're also those Then those same workers are running

923
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: these newspapers which are encouraging other people and like it's cool.

924
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: I don't recommend it as a model right now. Just

925
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 2: to be clear, when I'm talking about how amazing anarchist

926
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: newspapers were, I would recommend other forms of media that

927
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: people actually consume.

928
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 3: Whatever that was, like matrotskyite, yeah, no, the crank standing

929
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: outside of the school with the newspaper, yeah, bankless task yeah.

930
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 2: Instead stand outside of the newspaper with a little business

931
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: card that says cool people who did cool stuff and

932
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: be like, hey, have you listened to this? And then

933
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: people will be like that's weird. Why are you doing that?

934
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: And they'll be like I don't know, and everyone will

935
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: be a little bit sadder. So in nineteen oh one,

936
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: seven thousand of these different resistance societies send thirty five

937
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 2: delegates and they form the Workers Federation of Argentina. Since

938
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: this was run by anarchists, it was politically pluralist and

939
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: it didn't turn away workers for not being anarchists. It

940
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: was also explicitly anti racist. As long as you were

941
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: down for direct action and workers struggle, you were in.

942
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: It was also anti nativist. There's a lot of more

943
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: conservative of unions were like, we only want Argentinians who

944
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: were born in Argentina working these things. And they don't

945
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: mean indigenous people for anyone who's not when you're nativism,

946
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: it's not like it's like the settlers who want only

947
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: them to be the only settlers. It's that, however, the good,

948
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 2: the good people the federation. They also included women, including

949
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: all women unions like the sugar refining finery workers. From

950
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: the very beginning, Marxists tried to take it over immediately

951
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: because they were allowed to be in it, but there

952
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: weren't enough of them, so they quit to do their

953
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: own thing. They had a Worker's Party whose first goal

954
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: was to centralize all control over workers struggle in Argentina.

955
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: Never change authoritarians.

956
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

957
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: The group they formed was called the UGT. So then

958
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: the workers, minus the grouchy Marxist who cut themselves out,

959
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: they just went fucking trade by trade and got better,

960
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: better hours and better pay. The sign painters got the

961
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: eight hour daynineteen oh one, the doc workers got the

962
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: nine hour day in nineteen oh two. They're just like

963
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 2: fucking doing it. They're just like all right, we're we're

964
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: like all the workers. We can just do I mean,

965
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: they clearly can't immediately do what they actually want, right.

966
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: They can't. They don't have enough power to like end capitalism, right,

967
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: but they are like they know how to get certain

968
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: stuff done, and they are getting stuff done. In nineteen

969
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: oh four, they changed FOA, changed their name to FURA

970
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: or FORA. They added regional to the name Federacion Obrera

971
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: Regional Argentina. Why did they add regional? Can you guess

972
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: it's not immediately obvious?

973
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 3: Is it one of those like we're this thing but

974
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 3: just in this area, like there's especially the war or

975
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 3: is it so weird? Okay, but weirder than that.

976
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: It's kind of like when people say so called the

977
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: United States of America. Oh my god, incredible, Yeah, absolutely incredible. Yeah,

978
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: they were refusing to acknowledge that Argentina is a nation state.

979
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, it is a region. Nation states shouldn't exist.

980
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 2: And since at this point they're like, look where anarchist communists.

981
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: Our goal is a classless society without a state or

982
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: private property, and so they're like, fuck the nation of Argentina.

983
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: Their influence is creeping even into that Marxist offshoot, the UGT,

984
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: and it stops being Marxist and starts being neutral syndicalism,

985
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: which means that they're like want to use syndicalism, but

986
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: they're not picking a specific ideological line. And so at

987
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: this point they start becoming way more down with direct action.

988
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: The Marxist version was like way more reformist actually at

989
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: this point, which is funny because that's not the way

990
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: that people would necessarily assume or act today.

991
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 3: What like points is that roughly like nineteen oh five.

992
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.

993
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: This is ah, this is this is the before the

994
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: BULTI we need social democratic Marxists.

995
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, actually that's a that's a good way

996
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 2: to put it. Yeah, totally. And so they start becoming

997
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: more down with general strikes and shit. So the two

998
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: groups start working together better, and there's like all of

999
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 2: these times. I'm not going to get into all of

1000
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: the most of the books that I read about this

1001
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 2: stuff are just the back and forth between these unions,

1002
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: and it does not actually interest maybe on like a

1003
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: certain level, you know, But like they keep trying to

1004
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: get together, and it sometimes works and it sometimes doesn't,

1005
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: and when it works, it's actually really fucking beautiful. So

1006
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: I like get why they kept trying to come together,

1007
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: but they co run a bunch of general strikes, which

1008
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: is cool as shit. They had a three day general

1009
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: strike in nineteen oh seven that ended in total victory

1010
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: for the workers, and then in nineteen oh seven the

1011
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: same year, they had a three month general strike that

1012
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 2: started as a tenant strike and was like started by women,

1013
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: actually specifically women tenants because one of our villains is

1014
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 2: gonna be related to this. Cops are murdering strikers wherever

1015
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 2: they can because they're fucking cops, and people are getting

1016
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: arrested and deported constantly, and lot of these strikes are

1017
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 2: actually about the residency law. They're like, please get rid

1018
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: of the law that lets you deport us in the States, Like,

1019
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: but we want to deport you because you keep having strikes,

1020
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 2: you know. And so they would like catch like Lapretesta's

1021
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 2: editors and be like haha, and like kick them out

1022
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: of the country. You know. I think they had to

1023
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: laugh like that. It actually wasn't legal to arrest someone

1024
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: unless you go ha when you do it. A lot

1025
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: of people got off on technicality because not everyone could

1026
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: laugh like that. There's one guy who's like the main

1027
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 2: repression guy, Colonel Falcon, the head of the Buenos Aires

1028
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: police who swore to eradicate the anarchists. Spoiler alert, The

1029
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: anarchists eradicated Colonel Falcon Ay and his full name is

1030
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: Colonel Raman Falcon And if that isn't an asshole name,

1031
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: I've never heard one. Yeah, there's an eighties action film

1032
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: cop name. Yeah, totally. If you are from the upper class,

1033
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 2: you are not allowed to name your kids something that rhymes.

1034
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I don't make the rules. I just make

1035
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: the rules. Or my Spanish is worse than I think,

1036
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 2: and it doesn't rhyme, but I'm pretty sure it does

1037
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: the accents in the same place. Yeah, he'd been an

1038
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 2: officer in the Desert campaign, that genocide of indigenous people

1039
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 2: I talked about earlier, and then he'd risen through the

1040
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: ranks by repressing that, like that nineteen oh seven tenements

1041
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: strike by immigrant women who couldn't afford their rent. So

1042
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 2: on May first, nineteen oh nine, there's like this huge crowd,

1043
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: I think sixty thousand people or something at the May

1044
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: Day demonstration and Falcon's men shoot into the crowd. They

1045
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: kill either eight or twelve people, depending on your source.

1046
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to put the more reliable at twelve, including children.

1047
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: And the elderly, and they wound more than one hundred

1048
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 2: other people. The UGT, the neutral syndicalists. They call for

1049
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: a general strike the next day in solidarity with the anarchists,

1050
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 2: and this one the anarchists were allowed to organize again,

1051
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: and over eight hundred in prison anarchist workers who'd been

1052
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 2: arrested in the strike were set free. I'm sure there's

1053
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: not a lesson in there for anyone, certainly not for me.

1054
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: It's like, Darian isn't as fine when I do it,

1055
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: even though when we get the fuck over ourselves anyway,

1056
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: but the eight or twelve dead workers and children made

1057
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: some people really fucking angry. They made one person in

1058
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 2: particular angry enough to decide to do something about it. Actually,

1059
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 2: lots of people did stuff about it, calling for a

1060
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 2: general strike, that's one of things you can do about it.

1061
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: But one guy, his name was a Simon Radowitski, and

1062
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: he was a young Jewish anarchist, just eighteen years old.

1063
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: He's from Ukraine, and he was like, you know what,

1064
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: he'd been studying magic, right, and you want to do

1065
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: a magic trick. He wanted to make Colonel Falcon disappear

1066
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 2: into a cloud. Of blood. That's probably what he said,

1067
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 2: that's probably the way you phrased it. It's also what

1068
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 2: he did. He got himself a bomb, and Colonel Fakhnn

1069
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: got himself a funeral, and Simon kills Ramon Falcon.

1070
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: And that's honestly, it's honestly really impressive that. I mean,

1071
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: I'm assuming this, well, actually I don't know why I'm

1072
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: assuming this kid's a first time bomber, but first time

1073
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: bombing actually working and not blowing up and killing you

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Speaker 3: is really impressive, especially with like terrible nineteen hundreds bombs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, you know, nineteen yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: it's still not a great period. And I actually I

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00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: think people will know this because I've said it before

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00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: on the show. I specifically don't learn about bomb technology

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00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: because I'm fucking too paranoid. I have no idea that's reasonable.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just I just I just assume that like well,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, like I I just assume

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00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 3: on average that if someone is trying to make a bomb,

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00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: they're gonna blow themselves up.

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00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: And this is the extent of my yeah you heard

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00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: it here. First, we are not advocating anything anti bombing.

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00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 3: I want this on the record, play this in the courtroom,

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00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 3: bombing bad, don't do it.

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Speaker 2: Mine's neutral, I you know, with the way the rest

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00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: of the script goes, I can't so for how it

1091
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: all went, and the wild life that Radowitski lived, and

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00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: the wild life of the woman who later got him

1093
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: free from prison, and the week when Buenos Aires almost

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00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: became an anarchist society. We're going to talk about on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Hey, come back. You have to come back. You have

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00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: no choice.

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00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: Now, I know hooked, I know, the cliffhanger. It's the

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00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: the cheap trick that I always there's a word for

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00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 2: when you like specifically point out that you're doing something

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Speaker 2: coat hang, No, I don't know. There's a thing that

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00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 2: I'm doing. And the thing I'm doing is switching over

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00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: to plugs Mia, Hi, what do you do? Who are you?

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00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: How'd you get hear him?

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00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 3: Yeah? I those are a lot of existential questions there.

1105
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 3: The thing that I do is, yeah, I'm I'm one

1106
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 3: of the hosts of it Could Happen Here. You can

1107
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: find us wherever find podcasts are distributed. Yeah, I We're

1108
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: on Twitter and Instagram at Happened Here pod. It's also

1109
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 3: you can find cools in media. Yeah, you can't find

1110
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 3: me on Twitter anymore because I got banned for a

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00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 3: statement that I want to put on the record was

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00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 3: not a death threat, but was interpreted as one towards

1113
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 3: the teosphobic New York Times columnists. Yeah so rip me.

1114
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 3: You can no longer find me on the internet.

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00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, tweet podcast I do mis tweet was I

1116
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: do not advocate bombing the following person.

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00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 3: Look. Look, I merely suggested that it would be bad

1118
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 3: if New York Times people, if New York Times columnists,

1119
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: we're treated the same way that trans people are. And

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Speaker 3: this was interpreted as a death threat. So that's funny.

1121
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 3: I mean that's fun Well yeah, yeah, so rip me.

1122
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 3: Yeah so don't find me there, Get off of social media,

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01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: go do strikes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am on the internet. I have a sub stack.

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Speaker 2: It's under my name, Margaret Kiljoy. I also now have another.

1126
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 2: It's not really a podcast, but it's a thing. It's

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01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 2: a thing. It's in this feed, it's in the it

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Speaker 2: can Happen here feed, It's in all the feeds. I

1129
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: somehow slipped it into every feed. It's in what's a

1130
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 2: podcast that's clearly not in it's in Revolutions by Michael

1131
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: Duncan's that thing. I have a thing that I'm doing

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01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 2: called the Cool Zone book Club. And because my other

1133
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: thing I do is write fiction, and I also edit fiction,

1134
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: and so I am going to be finding amazing short

1135
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 2: stories and short books and reading them to you and

1136
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: every Sunday on this feed and the it could happen

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01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: here feed and probably not the Revolutions feed by Michael Duncan.

1138
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 2: But you should go listen to it. You probably already

1139
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: do if you listen to the show, to be honest,

1140
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 2: But if you don't, you probably should. I don't know

1141
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: why I'm plugging him, but I listened to it. He

1142
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: doesn't know who I am. Uh, that's what I have

1143
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 2: to plug, Sophie. What do you got that?

1144
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 4: That's what I was gonna plug?

1145
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: Oh? Sorry, you would have done it better, let's hear it.

1146
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 4: Well, normal me would have. But sick me. Margaret, Margaret Kiljoy,

1147
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Speaker 4: do you have a book club?

1148
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: I do have a book club. Is it called the

1149
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: Cool Zone book Club or the Cool Zone Media book Club?

1150
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 3: You know?

1151
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 4: Unclear? Unclear? But uh what book are you discussing? First?

1152
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Speaker 2: Well, my own book, The Lambles Slaughter of the Lion.

1153
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 2: I am reading it to Robert Evans, who is an

1154
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: obscure journalist who writes about driver. Yeah. Here's a book.

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01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: It's called a Vice A guy at a History of Advice.

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01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I kind of gotta sign copy of it.

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01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: Oh nice. Yeah, it'll be worse something someday, you know,

1158
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: and makes it. Yeah, every I don't know why this

1159
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 2: is funny. It's kind of loopy today.

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01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: But it is. But it is kind of funny. Yeah,

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01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: so we got we got the Cool Zone. I'm gonna

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01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: call it the Cool Zone Media Book Club. Full name

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01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: it cool And you could check that out every Sunday

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01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: and this feed worthy you could happen to your feed

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01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: or whatever feed you're feeding.

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01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: And you can also check us out on Wednesday to

1167
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 2: hear the rest of this part of this longer story

1168
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: that is absolutely worth it. And I'm not being sarcastic

1169
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: because this is one of my favorite stories that I know.

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Speaker 1: Bye, Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production

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01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts and cool Zone Media,

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01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: visit our website cool Zonemedia dot com, or check us

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Speaker 1: out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

1174
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: get your podcasts

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Speaker 2: Here,