1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ. Bucky 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: back with you, Buck. How you doing man, Man, I'm 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: good DJ. Everything is good, Like, uh, just finished from 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: top five list and going through everything, and you know, 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy because you look at guys, but 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: then when you go back to second time around and 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: look sometimes you identify and see things that maybe you 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: just overlooked, maybe you were tired, maybe it was the 10 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: end of the night or whatever. So it's really fun, 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: um kind of in that cluster buster type deal, trying 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: to trying to stack and organize and figure out like 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: who's next, who's next in kind of like the Nancy 14 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 1: Double a tournament for first, winning and last. We're out 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: so now, but it's been good. Things are good. Is 16 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: this up now? By the way, where can we find 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: this now? It's not I just I just admitted it 18 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: to be up sometime this week. Um. But as you know, 19 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: like with your top fifty, um my top five, there's 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: a lot that go into it because like you think, oh, 21 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm a ring the top fifty, but you have to 22 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: look at like kind like the top seven, five, one hundred. 23 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: Let me ask you the question that that I know 24 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: everybody's listening wants to know. Did you win? Did you 25 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: weenie out and do ties? Or is this? Ah? I 26 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: don't do top five. I don't believe in ties. I 27 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: don't believe five. That's it. I used to give Mayak 28 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: a hard time about that. Mike have like three guys 29 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: tied for fifth. I'm like, you can't do that. I 30 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: did think about adding like, uh, outside bubble, yeah, others 31 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: outside the bubble, but I didn't want to. I didn't 32 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: want to. I didn't want to put that in there 33 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: because it's weird because the positions at linebacker DJ are 34 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: weird because now you have edge, then you have linebacker, 35 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you still need an inside and then 36 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: outside linebacker, and some of the guys in the outside 37 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: linebacker could be in the edge category. So I kind 38 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: of use it as a way to put I know 39 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: you guys will be like, he's not the outside linebacker. Yeah, 40 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: but I'm trying to get the names out there so 41 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: people don't think we're where's X, Y and Z. No. 42 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: I got him out there. He's I see how you're 43 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: cheating it now, you're gonna go outside receivers, you know, No, 44 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: I don't have that black side. And like, I know, 45 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: I see how it is now, I got you. Linebacker 46 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: is the only one. Linebacker is the only one where 47 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: I had inside outside linebackers, and then the d ns 48 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: and the edge players are all together. This is weird 49 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: because we talked about position this ball. I don't. Yeah, 50 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: I've kind of to kind of figure that thing out 51 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: over over the last couple of years. I got to 52 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: the point where I just made it. I just have 53 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: in the positions. I just have edge and then just linebacker. 54 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: So anybody that's off the ball, I would just categorize 55 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: them as a linebacker. Anybody of scrimmage was an edge guy. 56 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: So even as a Sam that's that's walked over tight end, 57 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: I just kind of listed him asn't as an edge guy. 58 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: So what's interesting about like doing it that way, because 59 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: then you have the thing with like Michael Parsons plays 60 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: one way, yeah, a Sue corep Moore plays another way, 61 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: like he's way outside. It's only about fifty pounds difference 62 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: in those guys. Yeah, I know, but I didn't necessarily 63 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: want to put those guys in the same category. So 64 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: that's why inside outside, it just made it easier to 65 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: put some of those chase and run type players. By 66 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: the way, before we get to what we're doing today 67 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: on Wooster Karamoa. Interesting with him is going to be 68 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: the weight at the whenever he gets going for Notre 69 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: Dames Pro Day, because I love him as a player. 70 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: Like if if you told me that he played the 71 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: way he played at two, I'm in and like I 72 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: am all in, but I was told that, like towards 73 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: the end of the year, you're talking about low two hundreds, 74 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: you know, low two hundreds, So you know what's gonna way. 75 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, I didn't didn't go to the 76 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: Senior but I don't think he really needed to go 77 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl. But it'll be big for him. 78 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: We'll see we've seen years past, remember like Vick Beasley, 79 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: remember victims like to twenty something else sudden he showed 80 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: up at the comedy was like to we'll see something 81 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: along those lines. If he could just get to to twenty, 82 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm good. I think that's the Darius Leonard theme, right. 83 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: I think even now in Indianapolis, Darius Leonard by the 84 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: end of disease and maybe a two thirteen. Um, you know, 85 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: it's one of those things, and that there's a difference 86 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: being two fifteen and two oh one too oh two. 87 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: You know, you're never really trying to have him in 88 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: two or two, like unless we're doing the position list 89 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: thing and we put him in the slot and he 90 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: is that. Oh yeah, you find the role from He's 91 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: a fantastic football player. Hi, how high he will go. 92 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: He's so fast and violent, like man, he comes when 93 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: he sees it, he comes and gets it. So you know, 94 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's a fascinating thing. It's a fascinating thing 95 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: to kind of do that study and kind of look 96 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: at where guys, where guys are at, and you know, 97 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: can you give me I'm gonna, I gotta I have 98 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: a new mock draft. It's out. We're going to get 99 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: to that on Thursday. Well, we'll cover it on the 100 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: audio pod, so let that breathe a little bit online. 101 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: Then we're gonna we'll break it down and cover it. 102 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: I'll give you a little teaser in just a moment, 103 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: but give me a teaser on the top five. Give 104 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: me one guy, maybe one guy in an order that 105 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: you think might be a little bit juicy. What we got, Man, 106 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: this is crazy, and I know we're gonna have this 107 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: conversation later. I think the outside linebackers and ed rushes 108 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: are interesting in terms of who goes there. Um, that's 109 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about those guys later. We're talking 110 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: about age defenders later. DJ I had a really tough 111 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: time with the whiteouts, right because the white outs are 112 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: so deep, there are different flavors. Yeah, just trying to 113 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: figure out those guys. Did the Jamaar Chase, Jalen Waddle 114 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: Devonte Smith conversation is very interesting. And I think when 115 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: you go back and you look at Jalen Waddle, I 116 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: think you have a tendency to forget like how good, 117 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: like how good he really really was, and then you 118 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: remove him and then Devonte Smith takes over and so 119 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: you're like, wow, man, like both of these guys are 120 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: really good. But it was clear early in the year 121 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: that I think Sark viewed him as the number one option. 122 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: It may have been one A and one B, but 123 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: I felt like it was very catered to Jalen Waddle, 124 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: and I don't think any of those guys can do 125 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: what he does with the ball in his hands. He's 126 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: terrific with the ball in his hands. All right. So 127 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: that's a good teaser. That's a good teaser. So is 128 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: he number two? Then he is number two? Okay? That okay, 129 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: that's good. That's good because I want to give my 130 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: teaser on the mock draft and I'll pull it. I 131 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: got my little yellow pad here by the way, which 132 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: I don't know how you you are, Buck, but mock drafts, 133 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: I still legal pad, the legal pad. Yeah, I'm a 134 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: legal pad guy. And then he transferred over the computer. 135 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: But so I had Wattle as the second receiver to 136 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: go in the mock draft. It was an interesting team 137 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: fit because again we have free agency. We'll see what 138 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: these teams can do in free agency. I know the 139 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: Chargers must address the offensive line elephant in the room obviously, right, 140 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: They've got to get better up front. But let's assume 141 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: for a second they can do that in free agency. 142 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: Bring in a couple of guys, and Jalen Wattle were 143 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: to be there when the Chargers were on the board. 144 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: And you've got Keenan Allen who's the route runner, and 145 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: you've got Mike Williams, who's the physical red zone guy. 146 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: They don't have that that element, that speed element that 147 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: Wattle brings. Man, Justin Herbert would have a lot of 148 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: fun with him. Well, I mean, that's that's what in DJ. 149 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: I think from a philosophical standpoint, it will be interesting 150 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: because we've seen this happen in a couple of different places. 151 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: Year one is figuring out how your quarterback plays. Year 152 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: two is, okay, what can we put around him to 153 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: help him become an even better player. Well, we can 154 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: talk about the offensive line, and it certainly is important 155 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: based on how we saw it play out in the 156 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But man, we've we we watched the Buffalo 157 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: Bills put why receivers around Josh Allen, and when they 158 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: upgraded the talent around him, his game shout through the roof. 159 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: And so if you're sitting there looking at Justin Herbert, 160 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: and you know Justin Herbert is on this rookie deal 161 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: and the clock is ticking, you want to get him 162 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: up to speed so he can kind of reach that 163 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: ceiling quickly, so we can make that run while he 164 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: still is on a deal that allows us to get 165 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: the other stuff around him on defense or wherever else 166 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: we need to allocate the funds I'm with you. Um, 167 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: all right, we've got a couple of things we've got 168 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: to hit here today. We've got the J. J. Watton News. 169 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: We can hit on the Lawrence Pro Day. It seems 170 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: like old news, but it really was not long ago. 171 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: We covered that one. Um, we'll hit on those and 172 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: then we might have a guest. So we're not gonna 173 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: we're not gonna lock that in yet because we have 174 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: scheduling stuff right now. But it could be a big 175 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: guest coming, so be surprised if we get a good 176 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: guest at the end of the show. There you go. 177 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: It's a little a little surprise party will have there 178 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: at the end of the episode. But J. J. Watt 179 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: released your thoughts. Um, Look, man, J J. Watt three 180 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: time defensive Player year, a guy who at one point, 181 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: I mean I thought it was the best football player 182 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: in the game at his best. The way he dominated 183 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: from his five technique position was unique, and the way 184 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: that he played that position was also unique because for 185 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: a guy who had the left and the size and 186 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: those things, and he took chances, he jumped around blocks, 187 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: he shoot gaps, he he would do things that were 188 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: really unconventional. But I mean I think, going all the 189 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: way back to watching him at Wisconsin, I don't know 190 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: if I ever could envision him becoming the player that 191 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: he became in the National Football League. I think now though, 192 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: how much juice does he have left to contribute to 193 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: a team? And from a schematic standpoint, is he a 194 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: guy that is limited in terms of is he a 195 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: three or four guy? Can he play a base in 196 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: in a four three scheme? I've seen some of the 197 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: teams that have been thrown out there, but then I wondered, like, man, 198 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: where where does he line up? What does he line 199 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: up in that defense? And so the names that you 200 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: keep hearing are the Green Bay Packers, the Pittsburgh steel 201 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: There's there's been some connection to the Cleveland Browns, and 202 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: I've talked about maybe the Buffalo Bills in terms of 203 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: the thing. But DJ, where do you play him at? Like, like, 204 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: where where is his best fit in terms of where 205 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: he lines up down in, down out? Well, I think 206 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: he's still has some versatility there. So to me, he's 207 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: a big end on first down UM and then when 208 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: you want to rush him, I I just kick him in, 209 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: let him brush. You know, I don't know how much 210 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: the front even really matters as much anymore, you know, 211 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: like because everybody gets in a four man front at 212 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: some point. Yeah. So to me, I still think when 213 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: you look at them at Oliver Um hasn't really kind 214 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: of lived up to what you hoped he would be. 215 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: He's okay, player, is a good player, but he's not 216 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: where he was picked. He has been that impactful Um. 217 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: But to me, I'm just going back and I'm thinking 218 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: about I always go back to kind of my pass rush. 219 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: My pass rush, uh pleasure was when the Niners were 220 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: so good, when they had Alton Smith and Justin Smith 221 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: playing next to each other. Yeah, and I think of 222 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: Jerry Hughes outside and I think of sub and I 223 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: think of J. J. Watt getting a chance to line 224 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: up inside him. Let those guys run games, which J J. 225 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: Watts really good at, and let him work over edges 226 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: on guards. To me, I think that's where he has 227 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: the most impact. No, look, I think that is a 228 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: tremendous value. And I think Green Bay it could be 229 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: a similar situation when you put him besides the Darius Smith. Um. 230 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: I know Preston Smith is on the other side, but 231 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: having those two man games running those t e stunts, 232 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: being able to be very creative, and then incorporating sometimes 233 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: some three man games where you used to nose and 234 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: the two ends and you're looping and doing all kinds 235 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: of of things like that. I think that could be 236 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: a situation is very interesting. I think Buffalo is a 237 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: good fit because the thing that separates Buffalo from I 238 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: would say that the very very top teams. I mean, 239 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: how can you knock them? They went to the championship 240 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: game but pass rush um and looking at because they're 241 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: don't have to deal with the Chiefs, and I know, 242 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: like this Chiefs have a stench on it because of 243 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: the way they were whipped in the Super Bowl. But 244 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: you still have to get past him. And the game 245 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: plan that the tam Bay Buccaneers use, I would say 246 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: they stole it from the Buffalo Bills. The differences better. Yeah, 247 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: the Pampa Buccaneers dues up front. They were able to 248 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: get after it with the four man rush. Buffalo was 249 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: never able to get after Patrick Mahomes and harass him 250 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: with a four man front. So they have to really 251 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: commit the resources to being able to get that. Yeah, 252 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: I'm looking up a number here. Hold on one second, um, 253 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: let's go all right, this is this is another reason 254 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: why I like Buffalo. Okay, we talked about the two 255 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: teams that we would say right now, would we say 256 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: Green Bay? Probably, you know, put them at number one 257 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: just because it's going calm. It makes the most sense. 258 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: Connected to him, right, green Bay and Buffalo um the 259 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: two teams. You know, who was number one and number 260 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: two in the NFL and scoring, I e. You get 261 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: to play with the lead, I e. You get to 262 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: rush the quarterback. Number one Green Bay Packers thirty one 263 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: point eight points a game, Number two the Buffalo Bills 264 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: thirty one point three points a game. I go someplace 265 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: where I can win. I go someplace with a dynamic offense. 266 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: We can play with the lead, and I can hunt. 267 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: That to me is why I think those two teams 268 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: make the most sense. They do make a lot of sense. 269 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: And I would say from a personal standpoint, haven't spent 270 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: time in Green Bay. I don't know how long J. J. 271 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: Watt wants to play, but J J. Wat could probably 272 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: play for every in Green Bay. He probably could finish 273 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: his career for another He probably could get another five 274 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: years out of the Packers if he decided to go there. 275 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: Just based on his relationship, his connection. Uh, he's obviously 276 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: one of the best badges to ever come through there, 277 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: and he still has enough game where they can find 278 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: a way to spell them and use them as a 279 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: situational player. That might be the best fit. But I 280 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: love Buffalo from a cultural standpoint. How he would add 281 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: something to what I think is already a locker room 282 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: full of harvork and dudes. The Bill is just blowing 283 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: up our chat right now. So he's so excited right now. 284 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: It off to the side. I'm gonna move it off 285 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: to the side because I can't see. I kept I 286 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: kept seeing what these things like being. What keeps popping 287 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: up in is is eight million things on the Packers. Yeah, 288 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: all in on the Packers. I will add one more team. 289 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: By the way, the Tennessee Titans were fourth in the league. 290 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: They average thirty points seven points a game this year, 291 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: quietly have no pass rush, and there's the revenge factor, 292 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: right if you go to the Titans. He has a 293 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: relationship with Rabel obviously haven't played under him. Um, and 294 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: you get to play the Texans twice a year, which 295 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: we've seen with some of these veterans. There's a little 296 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: bit of that, right, you get that that's a little bonus. 297 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: There's there's definitely a little get back. I do wonder this, 298 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: I mean just from a J. J. What the brand standpoint? Man? 299 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if the brand could get bigger if 300 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: he goes to Green Bay Because you talk about a 301 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: national a national brand. You're gonna be on TV, You're 302 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: playing with Aaron Rodgers. You me on two Monday night games, 303 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: a Sunday night, a Thursday night game. You can talk 304 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: about that to me? Why if thes two part right? 305 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: Where do I think is the best fit for J. J. Watt? 306 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: I think Buffalo is the best fit. Yes, if I 307 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: was gonna be a betting man, where does he go? 308 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: Green Bay packs for some of the reasons you just mentioned, 309 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: because he's got the chance to win, but also he's 310 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: gonna have a stage now in the big stage, the 311 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: brand coming out. Yeah, I think it's an interesting thing. Yeah, 312 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: going back home, you know, DJ, I do wonder because 313 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: in the team building process, he's thirty two years old. Yeah, 314 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: like normally, I mean it is rare that you find 315 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: impact players that can come over on those things in 316 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: their thirties and and make a thing. I do wonder 317 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: how much he has left in terms of pushing the 318 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: team over the top. I know the experience, the wisdom 319 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: and all those things are great, but in terms of 320 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: the game that he still has left. How much juice 321 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: does he have left in terms of being able to 322 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: take it over or is he kind of like that 323 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: designator hit or where you're hoping, hey, let's have some 324 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: splash players during the regular season, but we get to 325 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: the postseason tournament. Can he dominated tago We saw in 326 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: Dominican Sue took over and really made an impact for 327 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: them in the playoffs. Give me moments, just moments. I 328 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: don't need you to dominate the game, but just a 329 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: handful of moments where I need to rev it up 330 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: or whatever. I do. Wonder how much of that he 331 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: has left. I'm looking. I'm actually it's great, great project. 332 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking through the top SAT guys from 333 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: last year. So here's here's the here's one um. Jason 334 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: Pierre Paul is thirty two years old, coming off a 335 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: year where he had nine and a half sacks, So 336 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: that's same the front within Dominicans. Sue Jason Pierre Paul 337 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: not what he was by any stretch, but in that 338 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: three four game, stretched who played better than him in 339 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: the post sat they couldn't block him. You know, Yeah, 340 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: that's the one I got. I'm gon put a pin 341 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: in this conversation, but I want you to do this. 342 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: I was looking at greg Usseau the other day and 343 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: I wrote in my notes Jason Pierre Paul and I 344 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: would love to have that conversation. Because then I went 345 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: back and I found some old Jason Pierre Paul college 346 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: footage from South Florida, and I'm just saying, because there 347 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: are people and the Twitter verse dead are crushing Russo 348 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: as a Russ crushing him, crushing him, and I'm like, 349 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: hold on, like because just because he wins inside doesn't 350 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: mean he doesn't win outside. He just if you're gonna 351 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: let him beat up him, let him beat up on 352 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: guards go. I mean, I look, Dukes thinks I know, 353 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: but if you watch his evolution throughout the year, we 354 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: get to the addressures here in a minute. But if 355 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: you watch Rousseau, let's get to it now, because I 356 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: think the conversation is so fascinating because I I'm having russure. 357 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: I don't know where you are. He's he's number one 358 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: I got to two Miami guys. One and two. I 359 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: have him and I have Jalen phillips Um. When I 360 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: look at Russo and I just think about the length. 361 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: I think about the way that he uses his hands. 362 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: I think about that stuff. And then when I go 363 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: back and I look at Jason Pierre Paul, and I 364 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: think the comparison is really solid because I looked at 365 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: Jason Pierre Paul the one season that he had a 366 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: South Florida because he played at Juco out here in California. 367 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: I wouldn't watch him play live if I remember he 368 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: had he had one season in South Florida. He has 369 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: six and a half sacks. Right, he has taken whatever 370 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: the Giants took him in the first round. I'm looking 371 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: at the length that the numbers are comparable in terms 372 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: of their dimensions, the athleticism I'm looking at. I'm like, 373 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: you know, like man. And then I'm looking at how 374 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: Jason Pierre Paul immerged. So he had four and a 375 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: half sacks that first year with the Giants, that next 376 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: year sixteen and a half sacks because it came on. 377 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: And so the biggest knock that we can have on 378 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: Rousseau is Oh, he hasn't played enough. He didn't play 379 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: this final year is here one year wonder he was 380 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: a wide receiver titend in high school. He doesn't really know. 381 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: To me, I'm saying, oh, that's a really good thing 382 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: depending on what I have and in the on the 383 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: coaching staff. If I have a teacher developer, if he's 384 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: already able to do this without really being taught how 385 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: to play the position, if I have a guy that 386 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: can really pour into him, maybe not year one, but 387 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: year two, how good could he be? And so the 388 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: Jason Pierre Paul thing is my blueprint for how Gregory 389 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: Roussou could evolve and emerge at the next level. Yeah, 390 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: I'm a fan of his man. And and I go 391 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: back to our conversation with him, remember when he said 392 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: his freshman year. Think, keep in mind he plays safety 393 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 1: and wide receiver for the most part in high school. 394 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: He's just learning on the fly. And he says in 395 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: his first scrimmage at Miami, and I have no reason 396 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: to doubt him. I can get it confirmed. But you see, 397 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: if five sacks in their first spring game, the first 398 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: spring scrimmage, have five sacks, then he got hurt. Couldn't 399 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: play that year. So he comes back plays one year, 400 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: has fifteen and a half sacks. Look closing finishing is 401 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: this is a skill the dude can finish. He gets 402 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: them to the ground. And I think it's it's really 403 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: important because when we talk about some of the other 404 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: past rushers that would be elevated in the process. Here's 405 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: one thing that I know about Rousso. We're so has 406 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: proven production. I see him take quarterbacks down. It's not oh, 407 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: I see the twitch, I see the activity, but he 408 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: just missed. When he gets to the pros, he'll find 409 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: a way to get it down. When I watched Russo, 410 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: he knocks quarterbacks down and he did it in multiple games. 411 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: It's not just the one four SAT game where he 412 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: dominated and obliterated at Florida State. He has a number 413 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: of games where you see him get to the quarterback 414 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: and you may not see the what I would call 415 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: the twitch, but the length is something that's problematic for 416 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: blockers because when he throws his hand right in the 417 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: middle of the blocker's chest and then he pushed pools 418 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: and grabs and uses the outside hand to get free. 419 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: He does it. He does it often, and he also 420 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: has a little move where he can get inside. I 421 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: just think I am gambling on length and potential for 422 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: a pass rush as opposed to some of the other 423 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: guys who don't necessarily have that. Yeah, I would give 424 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: JPP a little edge in terms of just burst burst. 425 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: JP had a little bit more of that. But what 426 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: I was getting too earlier is if you watch Rousso 427 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: chronologically and watch him throughout the year, you see him 428 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: adding things to his game to the point where you 429 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: get you know, because I didn't see speed to power 430 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: off the edge in the early games, wanting lot of armovers, 431 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: very active, very good with his hands, effort is excellent, Um, 432 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: but I didn't see that speed to power onment. Well, 433 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: you get to the end of the year and I 434 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: know Duke stinks, but still you saw him incorporate speed 435 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: the power in that game towards the end of the season. 436 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: Then you get to the Bull game, right, he's had 437 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more time before twenty nineteen to practice 438 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: and get to work on it, and you see a 439 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: little that euro step move, that that something uh Lawrence 440 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: as de Marcus Lawrence kind of made that thing go 441 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: with the next level, which is in an eight natural 442 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: kind of pass rush field so he does that in 443 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: the Bull game. I'm like, dude, this guy just continues 444 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: to learn and grow, and it's just it's just starting 445 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: for this kid. It's just starting. And so like DJ, 446 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: I think about a situation, particularly if you're one of 447 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: those teams that you're getting your edge Rusher a year early. 448 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: I mean, you already have guys in the hopper, so 449 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: you can take a chance on getting another one so 450 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to come in. He can do like 451 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: Jason Pierre Paul did for the Giants, you had justin, 452 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: Tucky had Osi Human, You're you don't need him to 453 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: come in right away. He comes in on third down 454 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: and learns how to get it, and then the next 455 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: year he takes over. I just think his upside instrum 456 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: Medacine with that frame, the length, and how he already 457 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: understands how to use his long arms. I just think, man, 458 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: that disguise the limit in terms of what he could 459 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: be at the next level. Yeah, and again check out 460 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: the interview we had with him. If you go back 461 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: and look at the archives and Movie Sticks podcast, you'll 462 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: find our chat with Greg Russeau from earlier in the fall. 463 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: I will just add one more nugget on the mock 464 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: draft talk about Jason Pierre Paul. I'll just leave you 465 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: a hint on where I had Rousseau going in the draft. 466 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, yeah, I think they can't put 467 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: it together because they have to make a decision with 468 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: Shaq Barrett if if no, no, no, no no. That's 469 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: that's where I put it was Dave Gentleman, Look, I 470 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: have the same way I can. I can go into 471 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: the grocery store with the intentions that I'm gonna by 472 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: buy a lot of fruits and vegetables, but I'm inevitably 473 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: gonna find myself over to the other food that I 474 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't be eating. Like Dave Gentleman can talk about 475 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: where you gotta get weapons. For Daniel Jones, I want 476 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: some receivers and some weaponry, and then he's gonna be 477 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: staring this big defensive lineman straight in the face of 478 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: his pick, and he's gonna go, I can't. I can't 479 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: pass that up. And not only that, from a philosophical 480 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: standpoint for the Giants for years, he is the classic 481 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: Giants pick, the size, the length, all of that. Like 482 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: that's I mean, he is a New York Giant all day. 483 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we've only been doing this for twenty plus years, 484 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: and when we think about the guys that they've taken along, 485 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: the lineman typically is always the heighth weight, speed guys, 486 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: the guys who have extraordinary length at certain positions, and 487 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: Gregor So certainly has that. Alright, Uh, I want to 488 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: ask you another question about other edge guy here, because uh, 489 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: I just did him this last weekend. I'll give I'll 490 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: give my guide the Bill credit, because the Bill had 491 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: sent me a text and said, hey, have you done 492 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: Ronnie Perkins yet? From Oklahoma? And I was like, you 493 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: know what, I haven't. I've I've talked to somebody's around 494 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: the league and kind of said probably more of a 495 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: you know to more likely a third round pick like 496 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: two three, Um, and so you know which which is 497 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: which is a good player. But then I watched him 498 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, I think he's better than that. 499 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: And I really liked him. I ended up putting a 500 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: pretty strong grade on him, which is gonna put him 501 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: squarely in my top fifty. Um. Now I want to 502 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: see how big he is. He's listed at sixty seven. 503 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: This is the hard part about this year. Um, you 504 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: don't have the measurables, right, So, I don't know is 505 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: he when he listed a guy at six threety seven, 506 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: there's a big difference between being six two and a 507 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: quarter and being six three and a half, Like, that's 508 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: a that's a pretty big difference for an edge rusher. 509 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: There's also a big difference between being two forty pounds 510 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: and two hundred fifty five pounds like. So, I don't 511 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: know how big this guy is, but just off the tape, 512 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: he's explosive, he's powerful. Um. I posted a play with 513 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: him putting Tevin Jenkins on the ground with a little 514 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: long arm inside move. And Tevin Jenkins is a talented 515 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: player from from Oklahoma State. Um, he's got power. He's 516 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: just got a real good feel ford off the edge. 517 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: And then when I reach out to my guys at 518 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: Oklahoma or at at Oklahoma talk about him being a 519 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: leader in Alpha, all those things that you want to hear. 520 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: So I really liked him. I thought he was a 521 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: really good player. And uh, and so I'd give a 522 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: hat tip to the Bill for doing his homework on 523 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: that one. All right, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna 524 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: have the check amount. I was just looking at his 525 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: his numbers and stuff. Six three two forty seven pounds, 526 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: five and a half sacks. He didn't know he played 527 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: half the year because he was and I gotta go 528 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: in and find out. He was suspended for the first 529 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: part of the year. But he came on. He came on, 530 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: had a second half versas Iowa State. Um, he did 531 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: some things. You know. It's really interesting because that that 532 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: that range where he is that six three two and 533 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: forty five forty seven pounds, Like it's kind of Lari 534 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: like to me, like, you gotta figure those two guys out, Okay, 535 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: so Olari to me, man, he's a one trick pony 536 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 1: right now. He he has the fastball, and the fastball 537 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: is is I mean, he is blowing it by people. 538 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: But if he ever gets touched up, he doesn't have anything. 539 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: His move is he's going to attack you on that outside. 540 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: He's gonna dip around on he's gonna throw the handoff 541 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: and then he's gonna flatten the edge and get to 542 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: the thing. He doesn't have a counter at all. And 543 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: I like the twitch and I like the explosiveness, but 544 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: I am just the ankle tightness in there too. Yeah, 545 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: I mean I try not to confuse activity with achievement active, 546 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: But those are the two types of rushers, right, there's 547 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: a place for that. There's a value and activity, but 548 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: productivity is, yeah, there's a different thing. And so I 549 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: see him running around, I see him do those things, 550 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: but man, it's that's all it is. And I just wonder, well, 551 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: what do I do with that? How long will it 552 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: take me to develop an inside move? And if I'm 553 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: using him? Am I using him as an edge rusher? 554 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: Am I using him as a sam linebacker that I 555 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: bless and use on passing downs to come down and 556 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: do those things? Where is his best fit? And unfortunately DJ, 557 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: The crazy thing is that would be something that you 558 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: and I would be able to have a conversation with 559 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: at the combine because someone would have put into request, 560 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: Hey can we have him do linebacker drills on top 561 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: of the edge rusher drills. I just kind of want 562 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: to know how athletic is he in space to envision 563 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: where can he play on a defense or is he 564 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: very very limited to having to be a hand out 565 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: edge player. Yeah, I thought he had some hand skill, 566 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: Like I thought he won with with with some hand 567 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: skill there when you talk about you know, a little 568 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: a little slap rip he's got like you were saying, 569 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: he'll knock the hands down. Uh, he's got a little 570 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 1: bit of a dip. I I just didn't see. Now, 571 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: there's one play I saw some people had posted on 572 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: on social media where you see him kind of wrapping 573 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: around a block. His hand goes to the ground and 574 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: he kind of wraps around makes a play. But to me, 575 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: there's a difference between that versus being able to rush 576 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: full speed, keep all your cleats in the ground at 577 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: the top of your rush, and be able to flatten 578 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: and bend. I thought there was some ankle tightness there 579 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: that that that bugged me a little bit. The other 580 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: thing is some of the things even in the sec 581 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: that you can get away with, like he he leaves 582 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: his feet like he has like a little a little 583 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: jump rip move, like a jump slap move, and and 584 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, you leave your feet like that, that that 585 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: ain't gonna end well man, especially after it's on tape. 586 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: This is a couple of times they're like, Okay, he 587 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: likes to this is his go to But he played 588 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: butt off man. He plays hard. Um, he's got I 589 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: thought he did have some some power, some speed to power. 590 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: He plays with good leverage. I thought he's very instinctive. 591 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: You know, he can find the ball, he can adjust. Um. 592 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: You know, the the Cincinnati game was just kind of 593 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: his high water mark. The Bowl game he went off, 594 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: but the tackle Hudson got ejected. So James Hudson, who 595 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: we saw at the Senior Bowl, they're starting Cincinnati. He 596 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: bounces out of the game, and then the tomato can 597 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: that replaced him, I mean just tore him a new one, 598 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: which is good for him. You want to take take 599 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: advantage of a guy that's not as good. Um, but 600 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: that was kind of where some of that production came from. 601 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: He's a tough one. I'll be anxious to see how 602 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: you try and figure out him. Compared with Ronnie Perkins. 603 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: I like, try on over the try on to me 604 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: six five sixty pounds from Washington was an opt out. 605 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: He's got heavy hands. Um, he can win off the 606 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: edge with that power uh more, probably more of a 607 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: power rusher than a pure speed rusher. But I just 608 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: get a bigger guy. Yeah, it's so it's funny. So 609 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: I had a couple of guys that were I won't 610 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: say that they were a problem guys to me, but 611 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: trying to just figure them out. So Quitty Pay from 612 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: Michigan is one because he's twitchy. He's active, hands like active, 613 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: but he doesn't have heavy hands, so they're active and moving. 614 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: But I don't see him shock people and move them back. 615 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: I love the effort, I like the energy, but I 616 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: felt like his sex were garbage sex, not impact sex. 617 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: Like he ran around the corner, someone flushes him out, 618 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: the quarterback spends around a couple of times. Bang, he's 619 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: Johnny on the spot to collect the sack. But I 620 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: didn't feel like, hey, it's third down, we gotta get 621 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: off the field. Quitty Pay is whipping his man, get 622 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: to the quarterback and in the down, and so I 623 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: don't really know what to do with at eleven and 624 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: a half sacks in his career active he had two 625 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: versus Minnesota this year. But I just I didn't I 626 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: like to feel that they can take it over, especially 627 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: the round value that we're talking about in the first round. 628 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: You would like to feel like that at some point 629 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: this guy can take it over if he has an opportunity. UM, 630 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: I think we talked about closers. Closers, the pass Russage 631 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: that you have, your team is up, is two minutes 632 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: left in the game. He puts his hand in the dirt, 633 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: he closes it out. We get off the feeling, we 634 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: win the game. I don't know if I felt confident 635 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: enough about Quitty Pay that he is a closer. Let 636 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: me give you, Let me give you my baseball analogy 637 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: here with Quity Pay. So you know I'm a diehard 638 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: Pottery fan. Right. So they got this guy, Will Myers, 639 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: who they had straight. They paid him a bunch of money, 640 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: and he's had not been good, Okay that he's They 641 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: played him at first base, they played him in in 642 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: right field, they played him in left field, they moved 643 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: them all over the place right and and within seasons 644 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: they did all this stuff and he just wouldn't wasn't 645 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: wasn't good. So last year they say, you're going to 646 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: play right field. They start him at right field that day. 647 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: Want he doesn't move any other positions. He plays in 648 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: right field. What do you know, he gets comfortable. All 649 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the bat comes alive and he has 650 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: a really good year. You can look at guys like 651 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: for the Dodgers, like Kiki Hernandez last year second base, 652 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: left field, center field, play shorts. Some guys are wired 653 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: to be able to move around and do all these 654 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: different things, and they're comfortable. I thought Quitti pay got 655 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: paralyzed a little bit because they're playing him in a 656 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: zero technique, they're playing him in a three technique. Then 657 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: they I mean, they moved him all over the dank place. 658 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: Let the guy play over a titan, Let him play 659 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: on the edge, let him beat those guys up, and 660 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: let him use all this twitch and explosiveness off the edge. 661 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: Give him a runway when you have that type of explosiveness. 662 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: To me, you space is your friend. Give him a 663 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: little bit of space between him and the offense and 664 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna see you see some of those flashes. But 665 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: I thought I hated the way that they use that box. 666 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: So that and and that, and that's a that's that's 667 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: the thing. That's a consideration when you're envisioning how he's 668 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: going to play for you, right, and so is it 669 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: a team that we're gonna take you, We're gonna bring 670 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: you in, We're gonna put you at this spot, and 671 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna let you get great at this spot. We're 672 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: gonna let you major in this right defensive end position 673 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: or left defensive end position, just so you can get 674 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: comfortable and it becomes easy and second nature to you. 675 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: Or are we a team that likes to have all 676 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: these creative packages and we're gonna stand you up and 677 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: move around and loop you and then you never necessarily develop. 678 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: And I think that's an underrated point when it comes 679 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 1: to kind of the Swiss army knife theory, because sometimes 680 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,239 Speaker 1: on the outside we think, man, it's great, he can 681 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: do all of these different things. But without knowing the kid, 682 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: you really don't know if they're comfortable doing those things, 683 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: and so you kind of have to ask them, what 684 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: is your best position? If you had your drothers you 685 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: were coaching the team, where would you put you at 686 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: and how would you use you? Those conversations must be 687 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: had in this zoom like this virtual world. The conversations 688 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: have to be really really important, and I think you 689 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: have to have a plan. Your defensive coordinator has to 690 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: be able to give me a clear plan and articulate 691 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: this is how we would use him if we bring 692 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: him into the building. Yeah. I mean, not to be 693 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: label the point, but even when even when he's on 694 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: the edge, sometimes they put him in a four eye 695 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean, like he's not even you don't give him 696 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: any space, like you're you're, you're, you're as something crowded 697 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: in there, lining him up blocked, like let him let 698 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: him at least start down unblocked and then we can 699 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: go from there. But no, I hated the way they 700 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: used him. And he is going. You know, you can 701 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: see I can see that he plays hard. I can 702 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: see the explosiveness. Buck. He is gonna test like a freak. 703 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: He's gonna be two seven pounds, he's gonna he's gonna 704 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: jump over thirty five inches, he's gonna do over thirty 705 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: five reps. He's gonna run in the four fives, his 706 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: three cones and all that stuff. I mean, Bruce Feldman 707 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: had it in his freak thing, his both He is 708 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: gonna be a freak. So to me, I've got a 709 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: great kid who plays hard, who's a ridiculously explosive player, 710 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: who I thought was placed in the in the wrong spot. 711 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: And I talked about alignment. Buck, he's in a two 712 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: point stance, he's in a three point stance. He's in 713 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: a four point stance like Gemnie Christmas, like get the 714 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,479 Speaker 1: in and out menu. Man, put the other menu away. 715 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: It just give this guy a couple of things to 716 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: keep it small and tight. Um, it's funny. So you 717 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: talk about a freak athlete. What about Jason away from 718 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: Penn State. Yeah, so he's a difficult one and I 719 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: have him um behind. Like to me, I have Rousseau 720 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: is a top guy. Quitty Pay and Jalen Phillips are 721 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: touching each other there. Jalen Phillips is a more skilled 722 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: pass rusher, no debate whatsoever. But I got I don't 723 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: know enough about the whole what happened with him with Ammy, 724 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: so I penalize him for a little bit there. So 725 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: that's why I have those guys touching. So I have 726 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: him have Rousseau, Phillips and Pay three And I think, 727 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: to me, Russo is cleaner for me, and I think 728 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: the other two guys is TBD, like that could switch. 729 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: Well that goes then after that I have I have 730 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: it right now. Oh way, Joe try on Um. Then 731 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: I have Perkins and Ojelari. So that's kind of how 732 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: I have it right now. But man, you when you 733 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: talk around the league, you'll talk to teams Jason Owa, 734 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: who will be like dude, this guy you know, I 735 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: know he didn't have the sacks, but if you just 736 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: watch it, he has a lot of production. Like the 737 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: Indiana game, he's hell on wheels in that game, he 738 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: didn't have a sack. See him, see the skill he's 739 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: he's gonna he is a physical freak. He's gonna test 740 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: like a freak. He's a great kid. Like, there's no 741 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: issues with him at all. And then so some teams 742 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: buying that side of it. I'll talk to other teams. 743 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: He's got no instincts. You don't get instincts if you 744 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: don't have instincts. No thanks all over the map on 745 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: this dude. So um to fill out the five? Where 746 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: did you put Boogie Ashton? Did you put him in edge? 747 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: You put him inside? Like? What what did you do 748 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: with him? For me? So I have him behind perkins Um, 749 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: but he have an inside outside guy. I just I 750 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: am jack of all trades, master of none kind of 751 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: see and saying I think with I think with these 752 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: rushes is very much like ice cream because I have 753 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: bashing and oh way filling out my top five, but 754 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 1: I have all those other guys couldn't be any different players. 755 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: By the way, you know, and and so I have 756 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: all these guys, and then you talk about try on 757 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: and and and this crew of other guys that are 758 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: all right there, and a lot of it is man beauties, 759 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: and I have the beholder. And so the challenge what 760 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: we're doing is we're grading for the league. If you 761 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: said a buck scout, this crew for the Packers are scout. 762 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: This crew for the Baltimore Ravens. Here it's a different 763 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: it's a different pecking order based on Okay, I know 764 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: how we're gonna play. I need someone that is kind 765 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: of in the mold of a Matt Judean, or I 766 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: want someone that looks like Yannicking got Way or whatever 767 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: that is is. It's really really different. And I think 768 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: this year, because of the variances and because of the 769 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: lack of what I would call like five star pass rushers, 770 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: where you don't have like the clear line of like, hey, 771 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: here are the dudes that we know are your top 772 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: fifteen players. I think you just have a clump and 773 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: on draft that they're gonna be sometimes where we're gonna 774 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: be on on air and we canna be like WHOA, 775 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: this guy goes away before you know, and we have 776 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: to be ready for that because without the combine, without 777 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: really a hand like a bunch of pro days and 778 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: private workouts, it's going to be harder to kind of 779 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: predict where some of these guys are going to go 780 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: outside of our own personal opinion. But hey, this is 781 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: what I think about him, But here's where he may go. 782 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: That might be a little harder to determine because you 783 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: won't have as many like exposures to a player in 784 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: person to watch them workout and do what they do. Yep, 785 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: And I trust me. Teams are all all over the 786 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: map on these dudes. You know what does the other 787 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: interesting Well, we we'll talk about in another episode. But um, 788 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: the offensive line pecking order talking to some teams like 789 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: you will get wildly different orders on these dudes, man, Like, 790 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: wildly different. It's it's hard, you know. And it's funny because, um, 791 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: when I was going through like an outside and inside guys, 792 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: I feel bad because I wrote Vera Tucker as an 793 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: inside guy even though I know he's going to start 794 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: out outside things have I mean, it depends on what 795 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: you have, right, Yeah, it's on the field with him, yeah, 796 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: and so it it'll be interesting that part of it 797 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: and whatever. And I will say this, I was a 798 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: Tristan Worse fan, but DJ I think the way that 799 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: Tristan Worse played he was a right tackle the entire semement. Iowa, 800 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: he goes into the league and dominates him right time. 801 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: I think, I think we've said this forever, like you 802 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: don't really have a right and a left tackle. You 803 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: need to have two really good tackles. Um. But but 804 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: but I think you have to be able to look 805 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,240 Speaker 1: at these guys and say, like, hey, he's a right tackle, 806 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: but he is a high end right tackle. So do 807 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: I give him love for being a dominant player at 808 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: right tackle, even though I may say his skills aren't 809 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: conducive to meaning left. It is almost like the Orlando 810 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: Brown thing right where Orlando Brown is is kind of 811 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: kicking up dust because he wants to play left tackle. 812 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: But we're like, a dude, Ronnie Stanley is, he's a 813 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl player. I know you you got Pro Bowl accolades, 814 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: but Ronnie Stanley is, He's exactly what we're looking for 815 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 1: at that position. And you played solid there, you played 816 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: really well there. You're in Pro Bowl honors, But man, 817 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: you're built to be a right tackle such a subjective evaluation. Now, 818 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: when we're looking at those two edge blocker positions, I'm 819 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: trying to find I'm gonna just find this real quick 820 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: because why we're thinking about it. Uh, I'm gonna go 821 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: back because Tristan Worth's remember there there were some flaws. 822 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: And this is a good exercise, right because you say, okay, 823 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: there were some flaws, but these were flaws that he 824 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: was more than able to overcome. Uh. So let's see 825 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: Tristan Worth's Okay, uh works big, powerful offensive tackle, pass protection, 826 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: launches out of his stance. Hasn't had issues versus outside 827 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: speed rushers. However, has experienced issues against inside counter moves. 828 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: He oversets, he struggles to redirect back inside alown too 829 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: many pressures in the games I studied. When he can 830 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: land his punch, it's over. His hands are so strong 831 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: as a power base to end the play right there. 832 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: And the run game. He's very strong and aggressive, creates 833 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 1: a ton of movement, but also over extend and fall 834 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: off at times. He's on the ground a little too much. 835 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: I love his aggressive demeanor, but he needs to play 836 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: more under control. I believe and can survive a tackle, 837 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: but he benefit from playing with neighbors inside. I think 838 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: works has all pro potential at guard. So he was 839 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: my thirteenth overall player uh last year and ended up 840 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,919 Speaker 1: you know, exceeding that and ended up being the best 841 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: rookie tackle in the NFL. So when I look that, 842 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,959 Speaker 1: I can say, Okay, he has the athleticistem to handle 843 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: the speed, so that's not an issue. He can get 844 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: out there and do that. They just work with him 845 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 1: on setting a little firmer inside and playing more inside 846 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 1: out right, so not allowing guys to counter him. He 847 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 1: has enough speed to be able to recover even if 848 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: he gets to beat a little bit off the snap. 849 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: He's athletic enough to be able to ride that speed 850 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: around um, but you can't give up your That's the 851 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: rule number one for a tackle. Don't get beat inside. 852 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: And that's fixable. That's a good lesson, right, That's something 853 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: that he's able to fix. And then some of the 854 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: over like, I'd much rather rein in a guy who's 855 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: a little over aggressive than try and dial somebody up. 856 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: So his balance issues I think improved as well. Yeah, 857 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: And I think when you add those things, because those 858 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: are like what we call technical flaws. But then when 859 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: you dig in his background and you found out he 860 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: was a champion discus shot putter. He also show too. Yeah, 861 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: he also had wrestling in his background where he was 862 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: a champion. And then you saw the freak show test numbers. 863 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,280 Speaker 1: There's a lot to the end. Let's let's put the 864 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: the IOWA brand on them, because you know that you 865 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,439 Speaker 1: get the guy who's being coached up. He's heard high 866 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: level instruction, he was able to take to it and 867 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: Loryen behold man. He steps into the role and and 868 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: and shines right away. Last thing here, we were going 869 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: to have Travis a t N on UM, but we 870 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: had a little bit of a scheduling snapfoos, So we'll 871 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: try and reschedule that. I know I tweeted that out 872 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: that he was gonna be on the show today. Uh, 873 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: we'll be tb D. I don't want to touch on 874 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: the Wentz situation. We'll touch that on Thursday because they 875 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: could make this whole podcast irrelevant if he ends up 876 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: after we post this, so well we'll hit that. Uh 877 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: then Um, one other topic though that I wanted to 878 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: hit you on, which was the the whole thing with 879 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: Mac Jones and and where you think he might land 880 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,439 Speaker 1: so he's my thirty third player right now. I put 881 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,320 Speaker 1: him in this mock draft in the back end of 882 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: the first round. You can you can check it out 883 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: NFL dot com to find out to who. Um. But 884 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 1: I saw some guys, I think Mike Tannebaum and some 885 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: guys on ESPN we're talking about him to the Panthers 886 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: at eight, and I thought, man, that is I didn't 887 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: see that like a top ten player. I thought he 888 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: had a chance, um, you know as all. I saw 889 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 1: more kind of as a second round but those second 890 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: round guys can get into late one, right and their 891 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: play on better teams, better supporting cast. He'd have a chance, 892 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: but kind of away from where the NFL is going, 893 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: you know with him. So that seemed crazy rich to me. 894 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 1: So I reached out, like, you know what, I want 895 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: to canvas to league a little bit on this. So 896 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: I talked to a bunch of people, majority of which said, 897 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: I think he's got a chance to start, and I 898 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: can't imagine him going that high. I would say, you know, 899 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: bottom one or two. But then the day your first 900 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: round pick, your first round pick. So nobody, nobody doesn't 901 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: like him. I don't I like him. I don't. I 902 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,280 Speaker 1: just don't put him up there in that top ten range. 903 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: But then I talked to one guy. He brought up 904 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: an interesting point. He said, when was the last time 905 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: he saw an owner at the Senior Bowl? And I thought, 906 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: I don't remember ever seeing an owner at the Senior Bowl. 907 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: He's like, David Tepper, the Carolina Panthers goes down there 908 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: to spend time at the Senior Bowl. What you think 909 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: Mac Jones might have been part of that. They're a 910 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: team that's in the market for a quarterback, they need 911 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,720 Speaker 1: a quarterback, and now all of a sudden, your owner 912 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: goes down there to spend time down there. He's like, 913 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. That just seemed weird to me. Like 914 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: I he was kind of reading into that a little 915 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: bit and said, there there's I think there's a little 916 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: bit of smoke there. That was interesting. Well, I think 917 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I think if you listen to two people, 918 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: Matt Rule and David Tapferd, they've talked about the quarterback position, 919 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: and they've they've kind of aired their displeasure going about 920 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater. They believe that you have to have a 921 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,879 Speaker 1: quarterback that can close games out. I want to say 922 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: maybe they lost eight one score games and they felt 923 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,840 Speaker 1: like if they had a better quarterback they would have 924 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,399 Speaker 1: been able to win maybe of those right, and then 925 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: pushed the changes there. Record dramatically puts them on the 926 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,359 Speaker 1: cusp of being a playoff team. The thing is, when 927 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: I look at Mac Jones, I don't know when he 928 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: when does he had to really close out a game, 929 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: and so stylistically he's not really the the player of 930 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: choice when we look at these quarterbacks, I mean Josh Allen, 931 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert um Cala, Murray design, what I mean, on 932 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: and on answer this because you I've gotten this and 933 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 1: I have my thoughts, but I want to get yours 934 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: because the thought as well. You know, he was one 935 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: year of insane production, national championship, and then Joe Burrow 936 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: was one year of insane production and a national championship. 937 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: Both played with really talented rosters. One was the first 938 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: overall pick. Why can't Mac Jones go up there in 939 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: the top ten? Well, I think I think Joe Burrow 940 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 1: was different because I think his athleticism, thank you, that's 941 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: the difference. His athleticism showed up and so Joe Burrow 942 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: could run. Joe Burrow was the Master the r p 943 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,360 Speaker 1: O game, Joe Burrow had some other stuff off schedule, 944 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: throws um. He also had a lot of endorsers behind 945 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: him in terms of like the people from Ohio State 946 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 1: and LSU talking about the leadership ability in those things. 947 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,439 Speaker 1: And I will give mac Genal's credit for hanging in there. 948 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: The people Alabama rave about his work, ethic, leader ship, 949 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: all those things. I give him. I give him credit 950 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: for weathering or storm and doing all those things. And 951 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: I think he has a level of toughness that you like. 952 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: I do believe he has an opportunity to be a 953 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: first round pick. But as we've seen it, DJ, look around, 954 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 1: look around the playoffs, and I know everyone is going 955 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: to talk about Tom Brady, but I'm gonna say Tom 956 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: Brady is the outlier because of twenty years of experience. 957 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 1: But you saw how the pass rush impacted the postseason, 958 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: and you saw how Pat Mahomes was on the run 959 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,359 Speaker 1: the entire game in the Super Bowl. And we saw 960 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: how I mean even Lamar Jackson and these other guys 961 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: are on the move, Josh Allen having to make plays 962 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,359 Speaker 1: outside of the pocket. You can play with a guy 963 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't have that A building but man, he better 964 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: be exceptional in every other area, and I just can't 965 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: say that mac Jones is exceptional enough in other areas 966 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: to wipe away what he doesn't have from the movement 967 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: skill standpoint. I would also add, even if you look 968 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,360 Speaker 1: at the older guys that have or the pure pocket guys, 969 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: um Tom Brady six five, Philip Rivers six five, Matt 970 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: Ryan six five, like, these guys have other exceptional traits 971 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: and mac Jones six too. He's six too. He's not 972 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,399 Speaker 1: a great athlete. People say, oh, what about Drew Brees, 973 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,240 Speaker 1: Drew Brees on it was a phenomenal athlete, nomenal athlete Brees. 974 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,279 Speaker 1: First of all, it took I don't know if Drew 975 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,919 Speaker 1: Brees would even happen now because the leash is so 976 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: tight on these quarterbacks. You're not given the same runway 977 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,840 Speaker 1: to develop as you used to be. They need you 978 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: to kind of get up and running. And so what 979 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: we've always said about that is, yeah, you can win 980 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: with the pocket passer provided he has, you know, ten 981 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 1: years of experience and wisdom to be able to dissect 982 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: the defense. You can't. You don't just jump on an 983 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,840 Speaker 1: NFL field and have that like it's different. My challenge 984 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,720 Speaker 1: to everyone would be named the young one that plays 985 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 1: like Mac Jones. Yeah, who's the young quarterback that plays 986 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 1: like him? That has lightened it up. All the quarterbacks 987 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: that we've seen over the last four or five years 988 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 1: that are being able to come in and have immediate success. 989 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: They have a level of athleticism that enables them to 990 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 1: not only play on script, but off script. It is 991 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: a requirement now, I mean, that's that's just what it is. 992 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,279 Speaker 1: The game has made it where you can't block the 993 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: superheroes on the edges on defense, and if you have 994 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,919 Speaker 1: a quarterback that is always sitting there from the same 995 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: spot on the grass, you know he is absolutely going 996 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 1: to get obliterated. And when we think about the creativity 997 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 1: of what a mobile quarterback brings, not a guy that 998 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: can run it. We just talked about can you just 999 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: pull it and get four yards on the zone read 1000 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: three or four times a game? That's that is the 1001 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about the floor. Can you pull 1002 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: it and get me four or five yards every now 1003 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: and then. It's harder when you don't have those guys, 1004 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: because they're not only impact your ability to call plays 1005 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,319 Speaker 1: in the passing game. But in the running game, the 1006 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: threat of the quarterback changes the equation so much that 1007 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,880 Speaker 1: it makes Harry. I'm not saying that mac Jones doesn't 1008 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: have a path to success in the league. I'm just 1009 00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:00,120 Speaker 1: saying it's a lot slimmer, a lot narrower than some 1010 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 1: of the other guys we have in the league. Yeah, 1011 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 1: Mark put in the chat here, what about Derek Carr. 1012 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 1: Derek Carr much stronger. Car is a much better athlete. 1013 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: Like Derek Carr can move. Yeah, he could move, he 1014 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: could move, He can move around. When he was at 1015 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: Fresno State, he wasn't just a statue. Some of that 1016 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: may have changed a little bit when he broke his leg. 1017 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,040 Speaker 1: But he's got more twitch, much more and and so 1018 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:26,280 Speaker 1: that's that's different. And so I I mean, I see 1019 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,680 Speaker 1: where he can go in the first round. I think 1020 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 1: in my market had him to the Washington football team 1021 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: in nineteen um in terms of being a high i 1022 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 1: Q player, someone who has all the intangibles and leadership 1023 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 1: ability or whatever. But he's got to go someplace where 1024 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,799 Speaker 1: they've got all the stuff there. And I don't want 1025 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 1: to sell me. I'm not bashing him. I think he's 1026 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: he's got a chance provided you want him to go 1027 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 1: to the teams in the back of the draft with 1028 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: the built roster that you can drop him in and 1029 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 1: he can just be a distributor. Um. So to me 1030 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: going to a team that's got a lot of roster 1031 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 1: flaws and asking him to survive and hold up and that, Man, 1032 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 1: I don't like that fit now. I don't like to fit. 1033 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 1: But I also know, like we've been around the Senior 1034 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,840 Speaker 1: Bowl enough to know that guys fall in love with 1035 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,759 Speaker 1: the guys that they coach, and um, mac Jones being 1036 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: around it, being in the room, Matt Rule have an 1037 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,760 Speaker 1: opportunity to be around him for a week. Um, sometimes 1038 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 1: you can envision a guy well, you know, maybe he 1039 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: can lead it, But I don't know. Man, He's a 1040 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 1: drastic departure from the quarterback that they have in the room. 1041 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,279 Speaker 1: Not the only Teddy Bridgewater, but p J. Walker and 1042 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: some of the other stuff. I just wonder. I wondered 1043 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,960 Speaker 1: with Joe Brady and an offense, Matt ruled on how 1044 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 1: he envisions this offense playing out. I wonder if he 1045 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: sees mac Jones his style quarterback for the long term. 1046 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,839 Speaker 1: There's two questions. I was thinking of right, when you're 1047 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: gonna pick a quarterback like to two kind of important 1048 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,080 Speaker 1: questions you could ask. Number one, do I want to 1049 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,920 Speaker 1: coach this guy? That's one question, right, I think he 1050 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 1: checks that box. The second question you better ask is 1051 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 1: the defenses want to play against this guy? Yeah, that's 1052 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: a different way looking at it, and and and look 1053 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 1: at the d defenses in the division and how they 1054 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: get down. We saw what Tampa was able to do. 1055 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: We saw how fast that defense is, even with the 1056 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,799 Speaker 1: older guys up front. As a fast defense, you better 1057 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,240 Speaker 1: have something for And then look at the New Orleans Saints. 1058 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: The New Orleans Saints with Dennis Allen. They're gonna bring pressure. 1059 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,839 Speaker 1: They're gonna bring it like nobody's business. And if your 1060 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: quarterback can't move and get off the spot, man, he 1061 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,759 Speaker 1: is just sitting there being target practice. Last thing, we 1062 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,160 Speaker 1: mentioned it at the top. I don't think we need 1063 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 1: to spend much time on it, but just Trevor Lawrence 1064 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: checked the box. I mean, we we covered it from home, 1065 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 1: but we covered it live and uh, I look the 1066 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,880 Speaker 1: ball even on TV. I know you you don't get 1067 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: a full appreciation for it when you're when you're not there, live, 1068 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,280 Speaker 1: but we both saw him throw live in high school. 1069 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,600 Speaker 1: You can see the ball jump out of his hand. 1070 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,239 Speaker 1: There are no issues there, no no issues there. I 1071 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:44,759 Speaker 1: think the biggest thing that came out of it was 1072 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 1: the fact that he was two and thirteen pounds. We've 1073 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,880 Speaker 1: talked about how that could have been a byproduct of 1074 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,879 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, depending on when he suffered the injury, may 1075 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,120 Speaker 1: not have been able to lift and so you see 1076 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,560 Speaker 1: the atrophy and his body and those things. But in 1077 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: terms of just how natural and easy it is for 1078 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 1: him to spend it, I think that's terrific. I think 1079 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 1: the things that came out later about his interactions with people, 1080 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,439 Speaker 1: when you talk to people there were there just talked 1081 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,800 Speaker 1: about how he just gets it man, how he fist 1082 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: bumped every NFL executive that was in the tennis and 1083 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,880 Speaker 1: how he carries himself within the building at Clemson, and 1084 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 1: how he has been very comfortable being in the face 1085 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: of the franchise. There's something to that. His maturity and 1086 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,920 Speaker 1: all of the intangible qualities to go with this stuff. 1087 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 1: You can't see, guys are or can't miss. But if 1088 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,359 Speaker 1: I'm going down, I'm definitely going down with someone who 1089 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 1: is has invested as Trevor Lawrence. I think that is 1090 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,439 Speaker 1: that is a big, big deal. Can I just put 1091 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 1: one of the one other nugget out there. We've talked 1092 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,879 Speaker 1: about this between ourselves. But go to all the thank 1093 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,800 Speaker 1: pro days if you're a team like I think there. 1094 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 1: I think was there one team that didn't go? I 1095 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:50,920 Speaker 1: think there might have just been. There might have been 1096 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: thirty one teams that went. I don't know who the 1097 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,400 Speaker 1: team was it didn't go. But to me and I 1098 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 1: saw something. Why would this team send three people? They 1099 00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,879 Speaker 1: picked twenty eight. They're not going to get a chance 1100 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: to get Trevor Lawrence. The scouts were not on campus 1101 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,920 Speaker 1: this year. They weren't allowed. They were allowed to go 1102 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: to some games and then do some zoom calls, but 1103 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 1: you were not allowed to get on the campus. If 1104 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,480 Speaker 1: you're a team, and if if the limits are what 1105 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,360 Speaker 1: they are, right, three people you can bring to a 1106 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: pro day. If some schools might be one, send somebody 1107 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,600 Speaker 1: just to get on the dan campus. There's other players 1108 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,000 Speaker 1: at Clemson besides Trevor Lawrence. If I get a chance 1109 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,640 Speaker 1: to get on campus, and I can talk to a 1110 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,680 Speaker 1: position coach, a coordinator, the head coach, a trainer, a 1111 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,040 Speaker 1: strength coach, face to face where I can get real information, 1112 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,360 Speaker 1: not the information he gave all thirty two teams on 1113 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 1: a generic zoom call, like you're you're idiotic if you 1114 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,759 Speaker 1: don't go to these pro days. Your idiotic. Get your 1115 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 1: scouts on the campus. They weren't on campus all year long. 1116 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,400 Speaker 1: You know, I think you have to get on campus. 1117 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,360 Speaker 1: I think as even goes even beyond it DJ, because 1118 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: what do we always do when we sit across from prospects. 1119 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,879 Speaker 1: We not only asked them about themselves, but we asked 1120 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,600 Speaker 1: them about their teammates and guys within their league. So, 1121 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 1: because I haven't had a chance to get on campus 1122 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,600 Speaker 1: in my area, I want to hear the players tell 1123 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,600 Speaker 1: me who's the best guy that you faced this year 1124 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,680 Speaker 1: in the A, C C. Who are some of the 1125 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 1: other guys or whatever. I want to talk to the coaches, 1126 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: a coach, who are some of the guys that you 1127 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: saw around the league that we should probably pay attention to. 1128 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: Who is someone that kept you up at night when 1129 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 1: it came to game planning, whether it's a guy that's 1130 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,040 Speaker 1: eligible this year or maybe they're coming down the pipe. 1131 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: I want to continue to get that information because who 1132 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: knows how long we're gonna have these restrictions as it 1133 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: relates to the COVID protocols and those things, and the 1134 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 1: amount of people that can get on campus. I need 1135 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,360 Speaker 1: to continue to build a portfolio to make sure that 1136 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,640 Speaker 1: I have all the background in for not not only 1137 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,880 Speaker 1: for this class, but maybe for next year's class, because 1138 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,279 Speaker 1: last year, at this time DJ, we thought everything would 1139 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,799 Speaker 1: be back to normal in the scouting process, and it 1140 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,800 Speaker 1: hasn't been. And so I think you just want to 1141 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: give yourself an opportunity to be prepared, No, no doubt anyways, 1142 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,640 Speaker 1: that interesting. I just think it's crazy if you don't 1143 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 1: send guys out the protests, get them on the campus, 1144 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,560 Speaker 1: and then do The more in form ration you get, 1145 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,520 Speaker 1: the better. I remember a couple of years ago, I 1146 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,000 Speaker 1: want to say it was Gosh, I don't remember which 1147 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,239 Speaker 1: draft was, but I remember Cleveland did not send UH 1148 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: scouts or any personnel to like some of the quarterback 1149 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,319 Speaker 1: pro days, and they said, well, we're gonna put him 1150 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,359 Speaker 1: through our own private workout. And I'm and I'm said, 1151 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,239 Speaker 1: You're going, what the heck else better do you have 1152 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,799 Speaker 1: to do than to send and go out there at 1153 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,800 Speaker 1: least watch him again, get another chance to be around 1154 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,319 Speaker 1: the guy, watch him in his environment, watch how he 1155 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,000 Speaker 1: interacts with his teammates, Like, what are you doing that's 1156 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,800 Speaker 1: more valuable than that? Is my question? Yeah, I mean nothing. 1157 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,280 Speaker 1: You know, campus, you start get it, you know on campus, 1158 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 1: get all the information. You have a limited window when 1159 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,560 Speaker 1: you have the opportunity to get in front of people 1160 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,040 Speaker 1: face to face. I think you have to capitalize on 1161 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,319 Speaker 1: them whenever you get a chance. Yeah, or anything else 1162 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,600 Speaker 1: you want to add before you get out of here. No, 1163 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,160 Speaker 1: it was a great show. I love having those discussions. Yeah, 1164 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,920 Speaker 1: fun time here and again, be on the lookout. I've 1165 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,960 Speaker 1: got a mock draft up that's out there. Bucky's got 1166 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,200 Speaker 1: his top five list which is coming this week NFL 1167 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,439 Speaker 1: dot com slash Bucky Brooks should be able to find 1168 00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,279 Speaker 1: that um and that's gonna do it for us. I 1169 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,839 Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. Hanging with us would encourage you. 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