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Speaker 1: Welcome to America's, Mr garbutschaf tear down this wall. Either

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Speaker 1: Sexton here with you all today. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for hanging out in the freedom hunt. Great to have

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Speaker 1: you all right. We got a lot of big hearings

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Speaker 1: let me get into the summary version of all this

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Speaker 1: you have. First. We'll start, by the way, with the FBI, Russia,

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Speaker 1: Here's what we know after today's hearing. And let me

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Speaker 1: any wire tap at Trump Tower. This is according to

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Speaker 1: FBI Director James Comey. Yes, according to Representative Devon Nunez,

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Speaker 1: both sides politically, of course. Anybody who tells you this

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Speaker 1: or tainted by Russian interference. Any who says that that's

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Speaker 1: efforts here, I've got it. I've got a very important

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Speaker 1: who's deeply involved in pushing the issue might think, well,

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Speaker 1: is this like one of those Clinton Foundation things? Am

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Speaker 1: I really writing checks so they can have private jet

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Speaker 1: travel and they can pay consultants, but say they're solving

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Speaker 1: world hunger. That's one of the enduring legacies of the Clintons, who,

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Speaker 1: by the way, are not going to step out of

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Speaker 1: the public spotlight for long. You can be sure about that.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that later in the week. But you

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Speaker 1: had Heck Congressman Heck of Washington in the House Permanent

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Speaker 1: Select Committee on Intelligence Hipsy. It used to be called

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Speaker 1: the Senate sele Committee on Intelligence, and people would refer

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Speaker 1: to the acronym there and then they told them to

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Speaker 1: stop because they didn't like the I mean when they

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Speaker 1: used to be people just refer to the acronym in

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Speaker 1: shorthand and then they said, no, don't do that because

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Speaker 1: they didn't like the way it sounded. But you have

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Speaker 1: Hipsy House perman selec Committee on Intelligence, and uh, they're

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Speaker 1: saying that unless we do something about it, this will continue.

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Speaker 1: What what does this have to do with that the

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Speaker 1: much more serious hacking ongoing with Russia, China, any number

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Speaker 1: of other foreign countries. Is into sensitive systems, is into

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Speaker 1: classified systems, is going after military programs, is industrial espionage.

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Speaker 1: Is stealing our commercial and trade secrets, is a theft

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Speaker 1: of civilization level importance, meaning that our advantage and I

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Speaker 1: have to get people don't They don't teach about the

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Speaker 1: Venona papers in school. They do not tell American kids

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Speaker 1: these days. I went all the way up until college

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Speaker 1: that even hearing about Venona, didn't hear anything about the

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Speaker 1: truth of the allegations that center that McCarthy made about

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Speaker 1: penetrations of the State Department. I had to go off

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Speaker 1: on my own to read Witness by Whittaker Chambers where

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Speaker 1: he talked about alger Has and made an iron clad,

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Speaker 1: in obvious case that he was acting for the Communists,

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Speaker 1: that there were these penetrations of government. They don't teach

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Speaker 1: our kids this. They don't teach your kids this in

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Speaker 1: school period at all. I wonder if anyone listening was

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Speaker 1: ever assigned in school the god that failed a fantastic

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Speaker 1: book essential reading out of print now out of print

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Speaker 1: on the penetrations of the us UH and and of

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Speaker 1: other governments. Really pardon me, but the penetrations of other governments.

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Speaker 1: Alger has was the u S penetration and witness. But

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Speaker 1: in The God That Failed they talk about former communists,

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Speaker 1: even have Richard Right, Uh African American author in Chicago

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Speaker 1: talking about his experiences. It's an excellent book. It talks

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Speaker 1: about the structure, the cellular structure, and the day to

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Speaker 1: day propagandizing and the arguments made too intellectuals about a

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Speaker 1: totalitarian ideology and how it forced them to eat it up.

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Speaker 1: The culture behind this. These are essential historical examples for

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Speaker 1: us to all be quite familiar with because this is

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Speaker 1: coming back now in the form of progressivism. But progressivism

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Speaker 1: is very similar to communism in its methodology, is very

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Speaker 1: similar to communism in the reliance on speech and using

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Speaker 1: certain speech patterns, both to identify yourself as part of

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Speaker 1: the movement, using certain words to identify yourself as part

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Speaker 1: of the movement, as well as forcing the other side

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Speaker 1: to use your language. In fact, is a very interesting

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Speaker 1: anecdote in it by A. Kessler, who's one of the

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Speaker 1: six former communists, writing in The God That Failed, where

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Speaker 1: a part of one of the communist cells that was

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Speaker 1: a cellular structure, very similar to a terrorist organization. They

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Speaker 1: weren't allowed to know what the other cells were, and

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Speaker 1: this was how they formed a This was true grassroots stuff,

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Speaker 1: although then there's the astro turf component of the Soviets

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Speaker 1: But it was very sollular, very ground up, and they

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Speaker 1: word concrete, because that was a tip off the way

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Speaker 1: that today if you say patriarchy, or if you were

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Speaker 1: to say, you know, paternalism, it's a tip off that

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Speaker 1: you're a progressive at that time to use in a

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Speaker 1: certain context and a certain with certain specificity, the term

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Speaker 1: concrete was like waving a red flag saying I'm a commie,

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Speaker 1: I'm a communist, and that the police were able to

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Speaker 1: the fascist police later were able when the Nazi takeover occurred,

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Speaker 1: were able to know that she had been part of

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Speaker 1: a communist cell and then, you know, send her away

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Speaker 1: to one of the camps because of her usage of

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Speaker 1: the term, just the word concrete. But they don't teach

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Speaker 1: this anymore. They don't teach about Venona, they don't offer

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Speaker 1: to any students that I'm aware of any school I've

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Speaker 1: ever heard of the Matroken Archive, which is a fantastic

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Speaker 1: compendium of kg The KGB archives, my friends, are open

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Speaker 1: for you to read. And what you would find out

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Speaker 1: then if you were to go and read through the

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Speaker 1: Matroken Archive, also out of print as I understand it,

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Speaker 1: by the way, oh these aren't things that people should

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Speaker 1: know about, then you'd learn about how the Soviets were

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Speaker 1: ripping off American technology for decades, that the near parody

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Speaker 1: they had on some military systems was the result of

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Speaker 1: not the brilliant Soviet scientists, but of stealing stuff from us,

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Speaker 1: and that was able to keep them, even with their

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Speaker 1: preposterously flawed economic system, and they're iron fisted totalitarian political culture,

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Speaker 1: keep them to be a real military threat against us,

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Speaker 1: because yeah, they couldn't come up. They didn't have a

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Speaker 1: free society where information was bubbling up from the people

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Speaker 1: in education was something that allowed free, free and open inquiry.

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Speaker 1: But they could steal from ours. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: the Democrats and the left in this country were the

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Speaker 1: ones always to and said that wasn't happened, that it

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Speaker 1: was a red scare, that this was all fearmongering, and

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Speaker 1: now we have this bizarre land reversal where Democrats are saying, well,

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Speaker 1: on this Russia issue, we see this is as that

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Speaker 1: guy was before, just saying a nine eleven level Pearl

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Speaker 1: Harbor level threat. He is comparing these things. Oh well,

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Speaker 1: it's not quite the battleships and it's not the towers

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Speaker 1: coming down. But this is serious, just like that was serious.

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Speaker 1: I guess if your only goal in life is to

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Speaker 1: make sure the Democrats are in power in this country,

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Speaker 1: well then maybe you could start to make some arguing

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Speaker 1: about the level of seriousness. But I think we have

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Speaker 1: to take that argument rather unseriously. What are they really

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Speaker 1: going to do about this? What are they willing to

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Speaker 1: do about this? They don't want to go to war

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Speaker 1: with Russia. This is the game they used to play.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know, you don't want to make a deal

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Speaker 1: with Iran, you must want to go to war. So

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Speaker 1: it's tough. I know there's a part of me that

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Speaker 1: wants to just due to them as they have done

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Speaker 1: to us, and say, oh, what are we gonna do

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Speaker 1: with Russia? You're gonna You're gonna stop this? What are

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Speaker 1: you gonna go to war with Russia. They're not of

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Speaker 1: focused on the broader cyber espionage and cyber hacking that's

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Speaker 1: going on all the the the attacks. There are so

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Speaker 1: many of them, and so few of them are even publicized.

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Speaker 1: We're not allowed to know about this. The government's keeping

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Speaker 1: this from us. That's the real strategic national security threat.

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Speaker 1: But Democrats will downplay that because you know, what are

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Speaker 1: we gonna do about that? That's and it all comes

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Speaker 1: down to this. What happened that made Hillary lose? That's

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Speaker 1: what this is about. That's why, as I said before,

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Speaker 1: this is a political street fight. What happened that made Hiller?

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Speaker 1: I said, I would play some clips and I got

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Speaker 1: a little bit carried away into some other stuff there.

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Speaker 1: So maybe I'll give you some more tidbits from the

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Speaker 1: hearings today when we come back. Uh, did you have

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Speaker 1: any surprises today from the hearings, anything that you weren't

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Speaker 1: expecting to hear, Anything that you think will come out

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Speaker 1: in the future. Do you disagree with me and believe

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Speaker 1: that this is a big a bigger issue that I'm

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Speaker 1: saying it is with regard to the Russian hacking, any

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Speaker 1: in all opinions on this welcome eight four four nine

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Speaker 1: to eight to five eight four d Buck, we'll be

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Speaker 1: right back. Welcome back, team Buck. Great to have you

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Speaker 1: with me in the Freedom Hunt. Eight four four nine

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Speaker 1: hundred buck b U C k all right, Um, a

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Speaker 1: few worthwhile moments to revisit from the hearings today about FBI,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll have some fun guests joining the show.

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Speaker 1: I gotta talk about judges. Maybe we even talk a

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Speaker 1: little beauty in the beast with you today. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna have enough time, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see ten house older's time. Beauty you know the

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Speaker 1: little teapot? Uh angel it was Angela Winsburg, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she did a good job. But this is the live

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Speaker 1: action version which made a hundred eighty million dollars. Who

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Speaker 1: knew over the weekend. So comey, Schiff Nunez. We got

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Speaker 1: some important little bits from each one of them. You get,

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Speaker 1: first of all, Adam Schiff, top house intel democrat, saying that, look,

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Speaker 1: there's no collusion, but there's you know, man like circumstantial evidence,

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Speaker 1: which and someone there there should be evidence that shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be well, they're circumstantial evidence. No, there's not circumstantial evidence.

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Speaker 1: There's no evidence, but he says circumstantial play clip fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Please there is circumstantial evidence of collusion. There is direct

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Speaker 1: evidence I think of deception, and that's where we begin

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Speaker 1: the investigation. Can you tell us what the circumstantial evidence is.

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Speaker 1: I'm not aware of any circumstantial evidence, and I follow

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Speaker 1: this really closely. The circumstantial evidence is what exactly that

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Speaker 1: Flynn didn't come clean with Vice President Pence about a

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Speaker 1: phone call or wasn't completely forthcoming. That's not evidence of anything.

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Speaker 1: And if Flynn's phone call wasn't well, I mean, if

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Speaker 1: the transcript of Flynn's phone call was in fact available,

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Speaker 1: he would know that once this all came out, and

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Speaker 1: it would be in some quarters that this would be accessible.

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Speaker 1: So I doubt he would want to lie about it

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Speaker 1: at that point, but I don't think he was probably forthcoming.

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Speaker 1: What's what I'm looking. I'm trying to find it. What's

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Speaker 1: the circumstan angel evidence that you have people under investigation.

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Speaker 1: That's not evidence, that's just an in that's just inquiring.

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Speaker 1: That is looking. Evidence is what you put together to

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Speaker 1: make a case about something, and so far we have

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Speaker 1: we have nothing. Um, I'm still waiting for it. So

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Speaker 1: schiff is. Like I said, I remember political street fight.

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Speaker 1: That is priority number one for the Democrats, and of

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Speaker 1: course that forces Republicans into playing defense. You know, they

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Speaker 1: you can you can show up and try to talk

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Speaker 1: nice to somebody, but if they're just gonna be taken

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Speaker 1: swings at you the whole time, you either can swing

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Speaker 1: back or you can get hit. That's the way it goes.

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Speaker 1: Metaphorically speaking, Uh, comey on the wire tap issue, this

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Speaker 1: is what he had to say. Well, it's pretty straightforward

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Speaker 1: plaic twelve. As you understand the term McCarthy is M.

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Speaker 1: Do you think President Obama or the FBI was engaged

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Speaker 1: in such conduct. I'm not going to try and characterize

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Speaker 1: the tweets themselves. All I can tell you is we

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Speaker 1: have no information that supports them. Were you engaged in McCarthyism?

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Speaker 1: Director Comy try very hard not to engage in any

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Speaker 1: isms of any kind, including including McCarthy is M. Would

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Speaker 1: it be legal for President Obama to have ordered a

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Speaker 1: wire tap of Donald Trump? I'm not going to characterize

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Speaker 1: a respond to the tweets themselves, I can tell you

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Speaker 1: in general, as as Adam Rodgers and I were just saying,

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Speaker 1: there is a statutory framework in the United States under

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Speaker 1: which courts grant permission for electronic surveillance, either in a

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Speaker 1: criminal case or a national security case, based on a

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Speaker 1: showing of probable cause carefully overseen. It's a rigorous, rigorous

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Speaker 1: process that involves all three branches of government, and it's

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Speaker 1: one we've lived with since the late nineteen seventies. That's

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Speaker 1: how it works. So no individual in the United States

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Speaker 1: can direct electronic surveillance of anyone. It has to go

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Speaker 1: through an application process, ask a judge. The judge can

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Speaker 1: then make the order. So President Obama could not unilatery

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Speaker 1: order a wired hap of anyone. No president could. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so there's no evidence of wire tapping, and Obama would

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Speaker 1: not have been able to order the wire tap. We've

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Speaker 1: already been over this. Trump was one would think, or

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Speaker 1: maybe you can accept this or not accept this, but

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Speaker 1: he was most likely referring to the previous administration, not

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Speaker 1: Obama himself specifically. Here uh, and then you had but

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Speaker 1: if we're gonna do supposition, if we're gonna do what ifs,

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Speaker 1: why not we got the Chairman of the House Intelligence Community,

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Speaker 1: Devin Nuniez of California. He said that he was not

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Speaker 1: aware of any wire tap to uh, I'm sorry, he

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Speaker 1: was not aware of any wire tap on Trump towers.

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Speaker 1: What he had to say, play it no evidence of

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Speaker 1: any wire tapping of Trump Tower. No, No, there was

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Speaker 1: no FISA warrant that I'm aware of to Trump to

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Speaker 1: tap Trump Tower. And that's after you received this information.

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Speaker 1: That's acurate. So there you have it. Nothing um. But

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Speaker 1: then he said this about how there might have been

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Speaker 1: other surveillance play clip nine. Let me be clear, I've

660
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Speaker 1: been saying this for several weeks. We know there was

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Speaker 1: not a physical wire tap of Trump Tower. However, it's

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Speaker 1: still possible that other surveillance activities were used against President's

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Speaker 1: Trump and his associates. So we have answers and questions

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Speaker 1: and really more questions and answers at this point. Not

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Speaker 1: a lot of new information today coming out of these hearings,

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00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: But of course it's just fodder for the political cycle

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00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: and for the various journalists who want to run with

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Speaker 1: this stuff to go as far as they can. I

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Speaker 1: still ask you, as we talked about this, think about

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Speaker 1: what this conspiracy could really be and why anybody would

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Speaker 1: want to go for it. It would be a very

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Speaker 1: ineffective way to work with the Russians to get into

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Speaker 1: an email account, a very ineffective way to try and

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Speaker 1: throw the election. There is zero evidence, as was discussed today,

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Speaker 1: that it did throw the election. And think of the

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Speaker 1: risks that anybody in all this would be taking, if

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Speaker 1: not criminal, risks to their reputation and to the the

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Speaker 1: hatred they would risk from all their fellow countrymen. More coming,

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America Now the Freedom Hut is fired

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Speaker 1: up as team Buck assembles shouldered his shoulder, shields high

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Speaker 1: call in eight four four nine D Buck, that's eight

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Speaker 1: four four D two eight to five. You had Sean

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Speaker 1: Spicer and a press conference today which has become destination

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Speaker 1: viewing for a lot of folks during the day. Spicy

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Speaker 1: doing his thing, and he first off, of course, look

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Speaker 1: he's he's got to defend all this stuff, and it's

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Speaker 1: not not easy to defend the Trump tweets, specifically about

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Speaker 1: wire tapping in Obama, because well after today you had

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Speaker 1: a lot of people saying it's not true or there's

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Speaker 1: no there's no evidence for it, which is not the

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Speaker 1: same thing as saying it's not true, but it doesn't

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Speaker 1: look good for it being accurate, a better way of

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Speaker 1: saying it, even than true. But Spicer pointed out that

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Speaker 1: there is this entire effort underway to try and figure

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Speaker 1: out what and this is what I was getting thro

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Speaker 1: right before the break, and I wanted to spend a

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Speaker 1: little more time on this before we moved to the

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Speaker 1: Gorcitch Supreme Court hearings, which are going to be fiery,

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Speaker 1: quite interesting, even though I don't think people think of

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Speaker 1: Gorcitch and fiery. He's kind of like, hello, he's a

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Speaker 1: nice fellow. But Spicer said that they're looking for something

702
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Speaker 1: that does not exist even on Russia play clip too.

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Speaker 1: Is the President prepared to withdraw that accusation and apologize

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Speaker 1: to the prosom what we started a hearing um it's

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Speaker 1: still ongoing, and then as chairman Union as mentioned, this

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Speaker 1: is one in a series of hearings that will be happening.

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Speaker 1: President just this morning said that the Democrats made up

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Speaker 1: the Russia story. Why would the FBI director be investigating

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Speaker 1: a story if it's simply I don't think that's what

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Speaker 1: he said, But again, look at what he said that

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Speaker 1: he's investigating the nature of any links between the individuals

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Speaker 1: associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and

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Speaker 1: whether or not there was any coordination. Correct. But again,

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Speaker 1: investigating it and having proof of it are two different things.

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Speaker 1: You look at the acting Obama CIA director said that

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Speaker 1: there's smoke, but there's no fire. Senator Tom Cotton, not

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Speaker 1: that I'm seeing and not that I'm aware of. Um.

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Speaker 1: You look at Director Clapper. Not to my knowledge, Senator

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Speaker 1: Chris Coon's Democrat from Delaware, I have no evidence of collusion.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's a point at which you continue to

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Speaker 1: search for something that everybody who has been briefed hasn't

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Speaker 1: seen or found. Um. I think it's fine to look

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Speaker 1: into it, but at the end of the day they're

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Speaker 1: going to come to the same conclusion that everybody else

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Speaker 1: has had. So you can continue continue to look for something,

726
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: but continuing to look for something that doesn't exist, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. All right. We're joined now by our friend

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Speaker 1: Charles Cook. He is the editor of National Review Online

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Speaker 1: and the author of the Conservative Terry and Manifesto. Charles,

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Speaker 1: great to have you, sir, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of Spicer? I mean, he I

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Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of people in these hearings

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Speaker 1: and in the aftermath and the the spinning of what

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Speaker 1: was said. They're talking past each other was they're saying, well, look,

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Speaker 1: there's no evidence of what Trump said happened, which is

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Speaker 1: that there was a wire tap of Trump Tower or

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Speaker 1: what he tweeted, I should say, And the Trump camp responses, well,

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Speaker 1: there's also no evidence of this conspiracy that is really

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Speaker 1: motivating most of this investigation and the whole processes around it.

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Speaker 1: But what do you take from all this that everybody

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Speaker 1: involved is over playing the hand. It's fine to have

742
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Speaker 1: an investigation, it's fine to have a congressional inquiry. Both

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Speaker 1: of those things are I think necessary, especially given that,

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Speaker 1: for reasons both good and bad, so many Americans seem

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Speaker 1: to believe that their election persons has tainted. I say

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Speaker 1: good and bad, that there are I believe upwards of

747
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Speaker 1: of Democrats who now believe that Russians had the election

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Speaker 1: quite literally, that vote totals were changed, that voting machines

749
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Speaker 1: were access That's of course not shot um and good

750
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Speaker 1: in the sense that there does seem to have been

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Speaker 1: a concerted effort on the part of the Russian government

752
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Speaker 1: to interfere, to influence, to persuade I think Americans should

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Speaker 1: be concerned by that, and I think the government should

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00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: of course take a role in investigating it. Um that said,

755
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: I think Trump massively overplayed his hand with his tweet,

756
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Speaker 1: which is of course what started this off. He did

757
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Speaker 1: use the word wire tapping. He called Barack Obama a

758
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: sad or bad man. Sean Spicer is really working from

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00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: an untenable position. But equally, the Democratic Party has decided,

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Speaker 1: and many Democratic voters have decided that there is no

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Speaker 1: question here that Donald Trump and his campaign colluded with

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Speaker 1: the Russians, and that the election is therefore tainted and

763
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: Trump really shouldn't be president, and if you take childs

764
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Speaker 1: Blower at the New York Times his word for it,

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to exercise the powers of the presidency.

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Speaker 1: And I think both of those positions are rather extremes,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's led to some of the as

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Speaker 1: you talking past each other that we've seen today. And

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Speaker 1: Charles also want to get into the other major hearing today.

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Speaker 1: I've been talking a bit about what happened with the

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Speaker 1: Russia Trump conspiracy, collusion, all of that, But also we

772
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Speaker 1: have a Supreme Court nominee whose fate whether he will

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00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: take up the robes and sit on the bench or not.

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Speaker 1: It hangs in the balance right now. First, let's just

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00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: we had Judge gorschitch is opening statement today. Let's just

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Speaker 1: play a small clip of that clip. Five. There's a

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Speaker 1: judge now. For more than a decade, I've watched my

778
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: colleagues spend long days worrying over cases. Sometimes the answers

779
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: we reach aren't the ones we personally prefer. Some times

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Speaker 1: the answers follow us home at night and keep us up.

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Speaker 1: But the answers we reach are always the ones we

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Speaker 1: believe the law requires. And for all it's imperfections, I

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Speaker 1: believe that the rule of law in this nation truly

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00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: is a wonder, and that it's no wonder that it's

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Speaker 1: the envy of the world. Charles. I have been watching

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Speaker 1: very closely to see how the Democrats, you know, the

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Speaker 1: echo chamber effect that works with a few UH voices

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Speaker 1: that are court watchers, a few people that do judicial

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00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: analysis will come up with what the line of attack

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Speaker 1: will be against the conservative nominee, and then others paratent

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Speaker 1: and they magnify it and then ever runs with it.

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00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: So far it has been really weak. It seems that

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Speaker 1: the major objection to gorstage from Democrats has been that

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Speaker 1: he believes the law says what the law says. There's

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00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: some other noise about how he's not favorable towards workers necessarily,

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Speaker 1: but I haven't seen much at all of what would

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Speaker 1: be a real um narrative that could sideline or sidetrack

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Speaker 1: this nomination entirely. Where do you think that stands? There

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00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: is almost nothing that can be leveled against him, at

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Speaker 1: least not against his character. He is unimpeachable on that front.

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Speaker 1: He is well respected and well liked by people on

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Speaker 1: both sides of the aisle. Nobody can doubt his intellect

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Speaker 1: or his eloquence, and so the Democratic Party has attacked him,

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00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: I think on three fronts. The first that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: always come to the conclusions that they like. Well, that's

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00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: not an attack if you're a miracle such he will

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00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: admit as much, and he did in the clip you've played.

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Speaker 1: Of course, he won't always come to the conclusion that

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Speaker 1: the Democrats like. He doesn't always come to the conclusion

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Speaker 1: that he likes his job. And you see this throughout.

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Speaker 1: His opinions is to uphold the lauras it is written.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes he thinks the Laura's stupid. Sometimes he thinks the

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Speaker 1: outcome of his decision is mean spirited or is undesirable,

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Speaker 1: but he's not a legislator and he will embrace that.

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Speaker 1: The second is to question originalism per se, which we

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00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: saw today Diane Feinstein do I must save rather stupidly,

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Speaker 1: And the Senator White House got into that game too,

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Speaker 1: and that's not going to fly. Americans are not thrilled

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Speaker 1: by the prospect that the Constitution that they cherishes a

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Speaker 1: blank document onto which the personal aspirations of any judge

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Speaker 1: can be projected. And the last, which I understand is

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Speaker 1: extremely important to partisans, but is far less so to

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Speaker 1: the electorate, is the notion that Merrick Garland's seat was stolen.

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Speaker 1: Now we've heard a great deal about this. It is,

825
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: of course nonsense. The seat that was vacated by Justice

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Speaker 1: Scalaire does not belong to the Democratic Party, did not

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Speaker 1: belong to Barack Obama. It certainly doesn't belong to Merrick Garland.

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Speaker 1: The constitutional process is such that Barack Obama and the

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Speaker 1: Senate had an equal role in putting the next justice

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Speaker 1: on the Court of a'most fulfilled his He chose Merrick Garland,

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Speaker 1: and the Senate said no, thank you, which is its

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Speaker 1: constitutional prerogative. I don't think that's going to get in

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Speaker 1: the way of judge, of course. I don't think either

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Speaker 1: of the other two lines of attack are either. We

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Speaker 1: had Ted Cruze. Senator Cruz today made a very important

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Speaker 1: point that will obviously play a role I think in

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Speaker 1: the discussions, the back and forth and the debates over

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Speaker 1: Gorseitch is impending nomination. And he said, well, what happened

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Speaker 1: to this? This is somebody who went to Harvard Law

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Speaker 1: school sits now on the federal bench as a judge,

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Speaker 1: lifetime appointment already, And how did it go a while

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Speaker 1: ago when Democrats had a look at him for the

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Speaker 1: federal bench play clip six. A decade ago, Judge Gorsitch

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Speaker 1: was confirmed by this committee for the Federal Court of

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Speaker 1: Appeals by a voice vote. He was likewise confirmed by

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Speaker 1: the entire United States Senate by a voice vote, without

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Speaker 1: a single Democrats speaking a word of opposition, Not a

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Speaker 1: word of opposition from Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, not from

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Speaker 1: Harry Reid or Ted Kennedy or John Kerry, not from

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Speaker 1: Senators feine Stein, lay Here Durban who still sit on

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Speaker 1: this committee. Not even from Senators Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 1: or Joe Biden. Not a one of them spoke a

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Speaker 1: word against Judge Gorson's nomination a decade ago. And the

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Speaker 1: question this hearing poses to our Democratic colleagues is what

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Speaker 1: has changed? Yeah, Charles, that is a question that they

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Speaker 1: will have to answer, and I hope every American will

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Speaker 1: hear either that SoundBite or at least just know the

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Speaker 1: backstory here. The entire Senate confirmed this guy. What a

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Speaker 1: lifetime appointment to the federal federal bench is. You know

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Speaker 1: that that's not a big deal, but this is a

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Speaker 1: big deal. I don't know how they get around this

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Speaker 1: without just seeming wildly hypocritical. Well, I'll offer a would

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Speaker 1: in favor of each proposition, if I may. There is

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Speaker 1: a difference the The fact is that many of the

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Speaker 1: appointments to the federal bench are the result of horse trading.

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Speaker 1: And of course, because the lower courts are subordinate to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, the extent to which the party that

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Speaker 1: is out of power is at any given point willing

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Speaker 1: to go to the mat in order to stop a

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Speaker 1: lower court appointment is less um. That said, where said

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Speaker 1: cruise is absolutely right, and where this whole thing is

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Speaker 1: so fartical is when you get Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon,

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Speaker 1: who I used to admire, saying that Judge Gore such

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Speaker 1: reject the very notion that Americans enjoy fundamental constitutional rights.

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Speaker 1: When you hear Senator Kamala Harris or Senator Feinstein suggesting

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Speaker 1: that under Judge Gore, such as jurisprudence, women would have

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Speaker 1: no rights. African Americans would still be sitting at the

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Speaker 1: back of the bus, They'd be unable to vote Brown

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Speaker 1: versus Board, would not be the law of the land,

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Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. You'd think that if

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Speaker 1: they suspected anybody, not just a Supreme Court nominee, but

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Speaker 1: anybody who might be sitting within the federal judiciary of

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Speaker 1: that that they would have said, well, I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: the point. If any of that was true, even for

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Speaker 1: a lower chord, that would have come up from somebody

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Speaker 1: you would take. But but I do just want to

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Speaker 1: counsel against the notion that it is automatically the case

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Speaker 1: that somebody who voted for a judge on a lower

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Speaker 1: court should necessarily vote for them on a high court.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's true, for what it's worth that Merrick

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Speaker 1: Garland was was always unanimously I think unanimously appointed as

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Speaker 1: well to the DC at the district DC circuits. So um,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Democrats will probably come back and say, well,

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Speaker 1: we engage in this horse trading with you, and now

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Speaker 1: you're turning around and throwing it in our faces. But

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Speaker 1: I do think, as I say, Cruises points stand given

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Speaker 1: the level of rhetoric that we've heard in relation to cause,

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Speaker 1: there's absolutely no excuse for for for unanimously approving of

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Speaker 1: somebody who you later make out to be Hitler, and

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Speaker 1: there will be a need to get him through of well,

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Speaker 1: if they insist that he cleared the procedural hurdle, they're

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Speaker 1: going to need all the all the votes of the Republicans.

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Speaker 1: And then do you think that there will be any

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Speaker 1: defections from the Democrats? Yes, I think there'll be a

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Speaker 1: number of defections. I think for two reasons. Firstly, in

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Speaker 1: states such as West Virginia and Montana, North Dakota, possibly Missouri,

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Speaker 1: a New York are such type figure will be popular

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Speaker 1: and Democrats will be duty bound, especially those with with

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Speaker 1: elections coming up, to follow the will of their constituents. Um.

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Speaker 1: I also think that it's difficult to get past the

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Speaker 1: fact that Neil Gore such is extremely talented and is praised,

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Speaker 1: it must be said by many with them Barack Obama's

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Speaker 1: coterie as well as those within mine. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think that given that he will be replacing a conservative,

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Speaker 1: and that the balance of the court therefore will not

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Speaker 1: be changing. I'm sure it's disappointed to Democrats that it

917
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Speaker 1: won't be flipping in their favor, but it won't be

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Speaker 1: changing from the status quo. I don't think that they

919
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Speaker 1: want this fight to be the hill they die on.

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Speaker 1: And this is a more bid thought, And of course

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Speaker 1: I wish here an extremely long life. But if, for example,

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Speaker 1: Ruth Badeg Ginsburg were to pass on while a Republican

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Speaker 1: president were in the White House, I think that will

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Speaker 1: be the moment at which we really see an explosion

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Speaker 1: in the Democrats. Then it's then it's World War One,

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Speaker 1: It's it's trench warfare. It does. It's not going to

927
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Speaker 1: get any uglier than that, I can imagine, all right.

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Speaker 1: Charles Cook Everybody is the editor for nash Review Online.

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Speaker 1: Read his latest on National Review dot com, and follow

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Speaker 1: him at Charles C. W. Cook on Twitter. Charles, great

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Speaker 1: to have you sert of thanks for coming in, Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much, team hitting a break, will be right back.

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Speaker 1: I looked at the two cases that so far have

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Speaker 1: been at the front, at the forefront, in the vanguard,

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Speaker 1: tip of the spear, in the attack on corsage from

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Speaker 1: the Democrats, which you can just expect that they'll be

937
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: unhinged about this, because anytime they're talking about judicial philosophy,

938
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Speaker 1: it's really a moment for them to stand up on

939
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Speaker 1: the soapbox and scream about their lefty progressive Democrats social

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Speaker 1: justice credentials as loudly as possible. It doesn't matter how

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Speaker 1: incoherent it is, doesn't matter how much it contradicts things

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Speaker 1: they had previously said. This is about. This is a

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Speaker 1: branding exercise for members of Congress, for senators, for anybody

944
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Speaker 1: who gets to sound off on this on TV or

945
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Speaker 1: in one of these hearings. So it's without in mind

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Speaker 1: that I looked at some of these cases and just

947
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Speaker 1: keep in mind that what would they say, for example,

948
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Speaker 1: that gorst and and they really care a lot about

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Speaker 1: the court, because that's how the left has gotten a

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Speaker 1: lot of its major victories in recent decades, not through

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Speaker 1: the legislative process, but through judicial fiat. And we'll be

952
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Speaker 1: talking more this week to be sure about the Hawaii judge,

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Speaker 1: who classmate of Barack Obamas from law school, by the way,

954
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Speaker 1: who has overturned the Trump band or has has put

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Speaker 1: a stay on the temporary on the temporary restraint for

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Speaker 1: people from six countries with Muslim majority populations. But back

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Speaker 1: to Gorstch and what has come out about him or

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Speaker 1: what they're saying. They say that he sides with with

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Speaker 1: owners over labor. And whenever they start to say things

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Speaker 1: like this, I wonder, allowed do the Democrats realize that

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Speaker 1: they have a bit of a Marxist, a Marxist twang

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Speaker 1: to some of their objections here, Oh, he sides with

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Speaker 1: you know, sides with the bourgeoisie over the proletariat. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of what they say. They don't use those terms,

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Speaker 1: but they begin to go in that direction, and then

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Speaker 1: they say that he is somebody who sides with the

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Speaker 1: powerful over the powerless. Okay, Well, for example, um, he

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Speaker 1: had to look into a case where a truck driver,

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Speaker 1: a truck driver was in a very it was very cold, um,

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Speaker 1: and the truck driver there are rules that you don't

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Speaker 1: have to operate a vehicle if you think it is

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Speaker 1: unsafe to operate the vehicle. And the truck driver had

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Speaker 1: a breakdown. And look, I'm sure sammy listening right now,

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Speaker 1: and God bless and thank you for listening. Are are

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Speaker 1: driving in a long haul across the country, and you know,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Team Buck and thank you for being in

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Speaker 1: the Freedom Hunt. But this one guy, he's driving his

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Speaker 1: truck and it's snowy out and he's stuck in the

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Speaker 1: snow or not sessions. They stuck in the snow. He's

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Speaker 1: snow it's cold, and there's some malfunction I suppose with

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Speaker 1: the trailer. I don't know how this would work exactly.

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Speaker 1: But he calls into his headquarters and he says, well, look,

983
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Speaker 1: I can stay here and might I might freeze to death.

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Speaker 1: I have to leave the load behind. You know that

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Speaker 1: it was meat. It was a load of meat. He

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Speaker 1: was transporting meat, and I have to leave it behind.

987
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: I gotta get out. I gotta unhitch the trailer and

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Speaker 1: just take the assume this is a sixteen wheeler or

989
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Speaker 1: something like that, and uh, I gotta get out of here.

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Speaker 1: To freeze in an unheated cabin or not enough heat

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Speaker 1: in the cabin. The rule states that a trucker cannot

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Speaker 1: be fired for refusing to operate an unsafe vehicle. Now, Gorseitch,

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Speaker 1: it seemed in the opinion that he wrote here had

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Speaker 1: sympathy for the guy because he was fired because he

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Speaker 1: drove off and left the car, he left the cargo behind.

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Speaker 1: He drove off in the cab of the truck, left

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Speaker 1: the cargo behind. The truck and company said sorry, we

998
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Speaker 1: told you to stay with it. We were gonna get

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Speaker 1: help to you. He says, well, look, I would have frozen.

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Speaker 1: If I thought it would have frozen, I would have

1001
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Speaker 1: made the same decision. But under the rules that had

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Speaker 1: been and he sued for wrongful termination, under the rules

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Speaker 1: that had been established, he was operated, He operated the vehicle,

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Speaker 1: and Gors just like, Look, I I think that this

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Speaker 1: isn't great. But the rule is the rule, and the

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00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: rule is you don't you don't have to drive if

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Speaker 1: driving is unsafe, driving away because staying would be unsafe

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Speaker 1: isn't what the rule says. Now we can get into

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Speaker 1: a philosophical discussion here about whether or not you would

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Speaker 1: agree with that, and and that there's this is obviously

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00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: extenuating circumstances um, and I do have a lot of

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Speaker 1: sympathy for that driver. I can imagine that was, you know,

1013
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: a tough call and this is how he's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's supporting himself by uh having this job and doing

1015
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Speaker 1: this job. But Gorsitch takes the approach that the law

1016
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: is what the law says, and if nothing else. We

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Speaker 1: know from Democrats and the leftists on the bench in

1018
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: recent years, they reject that they think the law says

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00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: what they wanted to say. Buck sextendable with America Now.

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Speaker 1: The Freedom Hut is fired up as team Buck as

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Speaker 1: symbols shouldered his shoulder, shields high all in eight four

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Speaker 1: four d Bucks. That's eight four four d to eight

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Speaker 1: to five. Welcome back to the Freedom What everybody eight

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Speaker 1: four eight to five. If you want to call in

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Speaker 1: eight four four nine Buck. Also, please go on iTunes

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Speaker 1: type in Buck Sexton with America Now and subscribe the

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Speaker 1: podcast of the show. You can share it with friends.

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Speaker 1: Very much appreciated if you would do me that solid

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00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: and check out the podcast. So let's one bit of

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00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: breaking news that I will get to. We have to

1031
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: put a pin in it for now, and it might

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Speaker 1: be a little bit of an oversell to call it

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Speaker 1: breaking news, but there are some details I have to

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Speaker 1: offer that are new. So I suppose this is news.

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Speaker 1: No fake news here. We don't roll with the fake news. Um,

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Speaker 1: but it's not breaking news like you know we you

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Speaker 1: know North Korea has invaded or something that's This is

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Speaker 1: lower down the scale of interest than that. But it

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Speaker 1: has to do with the GOP Healthcare bill. GOP Healthcare

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Speaker 1: Bill has some changes that will be made two it.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to see what those look like. I still

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Speaker 1: am waiting for an answer to the question that I

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Speaker 1: have posed in the past about why if you're a

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Speaker 1: conservative and you are a member of Congress, and you've

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Speaker 1: had years and years two understand Obamacare, its flaws, its deficiencies,

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Speaker 1: and to come up with something to replace it, why

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you put forward the most conservative, most free market

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Speaker 1: bill possible to start and then at least leave yourself

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Speaker 1: open to the possibility, because you know, the art of

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Speaker 1: the possible is what politics is supposed to be all about,

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Speaker 1: says every person who works in politics that wants to

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Speaker 1: repeat what everyone else says. But at least then you're

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Speaker 1: you're negotiating from position of well, this is what we

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Speaker 1: have established as what would be the best, this is

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Speaker 1: our ideal. Instead they put forward something that is not

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Speaker 1: nearly conservative enough in a negotiation. And I've learned this

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Speaker 1: from family members, family members of mine. I'm the only

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Speaker 1: remember my family who is in a media. Family members

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Speaker 1: who are in who are in entrepreneurship, finance, law, and anchoring.

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Speaker 1: One of them taught me about which is in a negotiation.

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Speaker 1: You if I come out to you and I say,

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Speaker 1: I would like you know you have Let's say you

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Speaker 1: have a car that you're trying to sell and the

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Speaker 1: car is worth ten thousand dollars and I come out,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's got some got some fuzzy dice up

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Speaker 1: by the dash, It's got some I don't know, it's

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Speaker 1: got wood panels with with flames on the side, because

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Speaker 1: you know that makes the cargo faster, So you know,

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Speaker 1: the wood panels. That's I had wood panels on my

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Speaker 1: car in college. It was amazing. Uh, this is a

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01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: wagon station wagon. Everyone made fun of the wagon until

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01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: you until they had to like move a piece of

1073
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: furniture or a mattress, and then all of a sudden,

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01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: the roadmaster was like the hottest thing on wheels. Man.

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01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, people are like, hey, buck

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01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: a li borrow if if you're nice, if you're nice

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01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: to the wood panel station wagon, maybe you can borrow it.

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Speaker 1: But I digress. So if I say tent back to

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Speaker 1: anchoring as a negotiation concept. If I say that your

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01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollar car, if you let me start the

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Speaker 1: negotiation off, and I say, well, you know, I'll give

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Speaker 1: you seven for it, the idea here is that I've

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01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: already and you haven't told me anything about what you

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01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: think it's worth, and you wanted you thought it's worth ten,

1085
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: but maybe you wanted to get twelve for it, so

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01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: you would have started out higher. Well, I've already been

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01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: able to put the first offer out there, and so

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Speaker 1: I'm pulling anchoring you, pulling you into my direction, because

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01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: if you say, well, it's worth twelve, I'll be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: come on, I mean that's not even that's not even serious.

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Speaker 1: If you say what it's really worth you say it's ten, Well,

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01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: I said, well, I offered you seven. Why don't we

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Speaker 1: go down, Well, we'll meet in the middle, you know,

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01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: why don't Why don't we do or not? We'll do

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Speaker 1: nine grant And you can see that there's already the

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: there's already an advantage in the negotiation, in negotiation from

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Speaker 1: me establishing the first point from which we will negotiated.

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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, why do members of Congress

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Speaker 1: who are and with Paul Ryan that there's a budget

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01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: expert and I really don't like this. Oh, Paul Ryan's

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01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, he's just so smart. Don't don't second guess

1102
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: Paul Ryan. He's so politically savy. Don't second guess Paul Ryan.

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01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't know him, and romy didn't exactly set the

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01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: world on fire. And they're running against Barack Obama. Side note,

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01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,479
Speaker 1: but I think he's a very capable congressman and speak

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01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: of the House. I think he's doing. I think he

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01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: understands budgets. That's fine, But let's not play the oh, well,

1108
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, don't don't question Paul Ryan game. Now. I'm

1109
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,479
Speaker 1: not buying that. Why I put out this. I see

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Speaker 1: I'm talking health care now, and I meant to get

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01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: into another story. But you know what, let me stay

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01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: with the health care for the for a few for

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Speaker 1: a few more moments here, Um, let's get into what

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Speaker 1: the bill will do. It will allow states. Sorry I was,

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01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: I said breaking news put a pin in it. And

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01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: then I started talking about my station wagon in college,

1117
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: which had a very special name, which maybe one day

1118
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you all. You have to stay with me.

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01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: I have to hang out in the freedom hunt for

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Speaker 1: a while. Tell you what we called the station wagon. Um.

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Speaker 1: But the the healthcare bill, this is These are the

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Speaker 1: details we know about it. It will be changed so

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Speaker 1: that states can impose a work requirement on some Medicaid beneficiaries.

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Speaker 1: It will give states more options in how they spend

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Speaker 1: Medicaid funds. Uh, it'll also include these are all expectations.

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Speaker 1: This is what's been put out there. I'm sure members

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01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: of the you know, people in the House have been

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Speaker 1: telling their favorite outlets and the press, and this is

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Speaker 1: how they get the story out. Uh, they're gonna quote

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Speaker 1: include A measure sapt by New York Republicans intended to

1131
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: largely stop the state from raising Medicaid funding through county taxes.

1132
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Speaker 1: And you had Representative Chris Collins saying that change was popular.

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Speaker 1: This from the Washington Post. I wanted to cite this,

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Speaker 1: but well, Wall Street Journal, sorry, thank you. Wall Street

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01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: Journal said the change was popular since it could lower

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01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: property taxes. People pay building support for the health bill

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01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 1: among the New York delegation quote. GLP leaders are also

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01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: expected to adjust the bills centerpiece tax credits, which some

1139
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: lawmakers worry aren't generous enough to enable low income in

1140
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: older people to buy coverage. Under the current bill, the

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01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: credits started two thousand dollars for those under age thirty

1142
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: and increases up to four thousand dollars for those sixty

1143
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: and older. GOP leaders aim to provide extraly for those

1144
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: between the ages of fifty and sixty five when people

1145
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: can enroll in Medicare okay, and they're also looking at

1146
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: a speedier repeal for some of the A c S taxes.

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Speaker 1: These are the changes, and we all knew there would

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Speaker 1: be changes. A few things about this. First of all,

1149
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: they keep on focusing on the shift in payment from

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01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,919
Speaker 1: well Effectively, under the GOP bill, younger people would stop

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01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: paying the bills of older, sicker people. Now you may

1152
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: think that that's kind of mean, but if this is

1153
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: really supposed to be free market and it's insurance, i e.

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01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: You're paying, you're paying based on your risk profile, which

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01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: is why this community rating standard that they have in

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01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: there where you can't take into a You can't take

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01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: into consideration as an insurer whether somebody has pre existing

1158
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: conditions and and the age and these other aspects of

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Speaker 1: the health profile. It just doesn't work because insurance is

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Speaker 1: based upon risk profile. Right, my insurance. Let's just make

1161
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: this about car. See, people understand home insurance, and they

1162
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: understand car insurance because they're in charge of it, they

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01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: pay it, and we all know how this goes. We're

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01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: gonna but health insurance isn't really insurance. It's healthcare through

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01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: redistributive schemes mandated by the government. Because really both sides

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01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: of the political aisle have accepted, whether they say it

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01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: openly or not, that the government has a responsibility to

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01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: provide health care for everybody at some level, and it's

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Speaker 1: just a question of arguing over the price and the

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Speaker 1: level of benefits. But they believe the government should be

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01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: providing this for you, that the private sector a loan

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Speaker 1: would not be enough. And we're not just talking about

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01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: emergency medicine. We're talking about medicine. We are talking about

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01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: people getting healthcare throughout the entire course of their lives.

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Speaker 1: Um But why should younger people have to pay for

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01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: older secer people and by the way, you notice that

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Speaker 1: they stopped. They say, fifty to sixty five year olds

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01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: or fifty to sixty four year olds are going to

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01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: be paying a lot more under the GOP plan. Well, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because they tend to use more healthcare. And at sixty

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01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: five we all accept, even though the costs are going

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01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: to continue to be rising and over time will become

1183
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: too much, but we all accept that at sixty five

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01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: the government starts picking up a huge portion of everybody

1185
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: over sixty five over sixty five healthcare bill with Medicare,

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01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: So you just gotta make it to sixty five, and

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01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: then you got you got the government paying a majority

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01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: or medical bills anyway. But fifty to sixty five they're saying, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: that's not fair, younger people. Why is this? Is this

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Speaker 1: a Ponzi scheme? Is this a redistribution of wealth scheme?

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01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: Or is this about insurance be as if you're older

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01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: and more likely to be sick, you would pay higher

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01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: insurance premiums. And then they say, well, buck, this becomes

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01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: a question of allowing people or putting people in a

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Speaker 1: position economically where they can even make the choice to

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Speaker 1: buy insurance. They have enough money to do it if

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Speaker 1: they don't have enough money that it's not even about choice.

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Speaker 1: I understand that. Okay, so they need to adjust. They're

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Speaker 1: going to adjust the tax credits that are in this

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Speaker 1: to make it easier. By the way, I did my

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01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: taxes the Totle sign. I did my taxes over the weekend,

1202
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to take a baseball bat and

1203
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: start and just starts swinging it at things that, you know,

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01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: look like little porcelain sculptures of Uncle Sam. That's all

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Speaker 1: I can tell you. I was not happy. It is

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01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: every This is a separate discussion that we will do

1207
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: on this show. But every automatic with hole that the

1208
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: Congress should be automatic with holding should go away. Everybody

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01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: should be forced to write a check. Everybody should be

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01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: forced to pay. I don't care if it's a dollar.

1211
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: Everyone should be forced to look at what they have

1212
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: and what they made and send in a check to

1213
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: the government. And people said, well, buck, what do people

1214
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: only get money back? Well, okay, fine, but you should

1215
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: have We should have many more people that have a

1216
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: conception of at the end of the year. This is

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01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: the amount of money that I am you know, this

1218
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: is the amount of money that is getting sent to

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Speaker 1: the government because they taken me a piece by piece.

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Speaker 1: You're like, well, I've I've budgeted for this all right, back, sorry,

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Speaker 1: that's a tax. A little tax interlude there. I just

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01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: was very Uncle Sam and I there was no love

1223
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: over this weekend. I was very I was very unhappy

1224
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 1: with him. Uncle Sam is being naughty. But back to healthcare.

1225
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Speaker 1: Uh here, here's the bottom line and all this we

1226
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: are arguing over the price and the skin and the

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01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: scope and scale of benefits. We are not trying to

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Speaker 1: create a completely free market in healthcare, because if you

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01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: were creating a free market and healthcare, you would be

1230
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: willing to let people choose not to buy insurance and

1231
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: then go bankrupt if they didn't have insurance. That's what

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01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: I free marketed. And and and Mike melv and you've heard

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01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: me say that here in the show before. I've and

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01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: saying this for weeks now. Well, you gotta make mulveney,

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01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: who have to say, very impressive, very impressive on the budget.

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Speaker 1: And he made an essential point. Unasked about this recently,

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01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: he said, well, let me let you hear from Mr

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Speaker 1: mulvaney himself. You're not gonna have universal care after this

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01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: we don't. The only way to have universal care, if

1240
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: you stop to think about it, is to force people

1241
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: to buy it under penalty of law. So it's mistaken

1242
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: when he said that, you should be keep in mind

1243
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: with what we're replacing. What you've got now is we're

1244
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: forcing people to buy it under Obamacare under penalty of law,

1245
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: and people are still looking for a way not to

1246
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: buy it. So clearly the government mandate doesn't work. The

1247
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: better process, the better function is exactly what we're trying

1248
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: to do now, which is to encourage people and enable

1249
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: them to buy a policy they want and can't afford.

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01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: What was that universal care was not really a promise?

1251
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: He could again, you know, the only way to get

1252
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: truly universal care is to throw people in jail if

1253
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: they don't have it, and we're not going to do that.

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Speaker 1: He's right. If you have the option not to buy insurance,

1255
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 1: there are people who will not buy insurance, and the

1256
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: only way to take away the option would be to say,

1257
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: if you don't buy insurance, we're gonna lock you up.

1258
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: Because if it's just a financial penalty, people are gonna say, yeah, right,

1259
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: what are you what are you gonna do about it?

1260
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna pay it. I'm not gonna do

1261
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: it right, there is no waydeot and and by the way,

1262
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: really to get universal care or universal coverage, you would

1263
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: also have to have the government just in charge of

1264
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: the whole system. You need single payer, and that's just

1265
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: going to bankrupt and destroy the country. And even people

1266
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: I know who are Democrats who are honest about it,

1267
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: will admit that that that's there's no way, there's no

1268
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 1: way you put the government charge this whole thing. And

1269
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: whether your health care gets way worse than it currently is. Uh.

1270
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Speaker 1: And there are lots of problems, and I can sit

1271
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: here and talk to you for hours about all the

1272
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: problems that currently exists with a health care system that

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01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: we have. UM. I was actually I was just speaking

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Speaker 1: to a doctor today who was telling me that routine

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01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: prescriptions now are not being covered by many insurers or

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01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: they're they're fighting and fighting and fighting because they they're

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01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: just there. They don't have the money and they don't

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01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: want to pay for us, and they're looking for ways

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01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: to they're looking for ways to avoid the outlays. Because

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,600
Speaker 1: we're we're playing with this system and we're engaged in

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01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: what is really a large scale social engineering going on

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01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: and redistribution of wealth, and nobody wants to come clean,

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01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: and no one wants to speak the truth about this.

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01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: Mulvanny is speaking the truth. The only way you get

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01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: universal coverage is if you threatened people with prison if

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Speaker 1: they don't buy health insurance. And I don't think we

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01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: want that. The mandate alone is not enough, and the

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01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 1: mandate is unconstitutional. I don't care what the Supreme Court

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01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: said the last time around. They looked at this. So

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01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: we need to be honest about this. If we want

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01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: coverage for if we want everyone to be able to

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01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: afford coverage, it means that people who still, people who

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01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: still are so foolish that even when it is made

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01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: available and easy for them to buy insurance, they don't

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Speaker 1: buy it. Ah, if they don't have it, they're gonna

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01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: go there, they will go bank or if they get

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01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: really sick, and that's gonna be sad, and that's gonna

1298
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: be unfortunate, but that is going to be reality. Just

1299
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: like if your house burned down, or if you're in

1300
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: a total car wreck and refused to buy insurance, you

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01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: are on your own. Nobody wants to say that. Nobody

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01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: wants to get go to that level here, because that's

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01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: not politically popular. You know, we want we all want

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01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: the magic cake that is that that never runs out,

1305
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: that doesn't that doesn't make you gain weight, and is

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01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, is good for you. Well, if you find that,

1307
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: let me know, because I want a piece. We're gonna

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01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: hit a break here. We'll be right back, all right,

1309
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: Team Buck. I see there is a Trump rally going

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01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: on right now in Louisville. I believe I said that

1311
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:48,879
Speaker 1: right Louisville, Kentucky. Or if you're from New York City, Louisville, Louisville, Kentucky.

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01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: You got President Trump saying that he will put coal

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01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: miners back to work. It was so interesting that this

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01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: was a place where I think Hillary's uh fraudulent persona?

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Speaker 1: Is that maybe, No, that's a good way to say it.

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01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: Where all of a sudden she got called out by

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01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 1: coal miners and she's just she knew that the left

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01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: wing environmentalist base. There's only so much pandering Hillary could

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01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: do to coal minors before it's gonna be a problem

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01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 1: for her. But back to healthcare for a second. So

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Speaker 1: I want to finish out on this because we're gonna

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01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: be talking this a lot this week because we're told

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Speaker 1: Paul Ryan said that the repeal could pass Thursday nineteen.

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01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: Play it, sir, So what would just say at the

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01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: prospects that you have the votes and we'll be able

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Speaker 1: to pass it on Thursday. Yeah. I feel very good

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Speaker 1: about it. Actually, I feel like exactly it's exactly where

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Speaker 1: we want to be. And the reason I feel so

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01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: good about this is because the President has become a

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Speaker 1: great closer. He is the one who has helped to

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Speaker 1: negotiate this bill with members from all over our caucus.

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01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: I call it getting the sweet spot. You've got to

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Speaker 1: get two eighteen Republicans who come from all different walks

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01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: of life to come together to agree on the best

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Speaker 1: possible plan to repeal and replace Obamacare. And the reason

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01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: I feel very good where we are, we all all

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01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: of us, all Republicans of the House, Senate, in the

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Speaker 1: President and made a promise to the American people that

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Speaker 1: we would repeal and replace this faulty, collapsing law. And

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01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna make good on that promise. Okay, there you

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01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: have Paul Ryan saying it. He says we're gonna make

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Speaker 1: it on that promise. Little little problem here that You've

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01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: got Representative Sean Duffy, though he's out there saying that

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01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: they don't have the votes. The bill is gonna coup

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01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: on Thursday. We still I don't think we have the

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01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: votes you have to actually pass it. So you've seen

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01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, the President engage. We have some Freedom Caucus

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01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: members who are still know and Donald's did. The President

1349
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: is pretty good at this, so he's gonna come in.

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01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: He can make some last minute tweaks on the bill

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01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: and hopefully get these guys on board. So I'm very optimistic.

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01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: Paul Ryan and our and our whip have been counting

1353
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: folks and and seeing what tweaks they need to make

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01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: to get them too. Yes, and I think we're gonna

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01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: get There are one more voice to weigh in on

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01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: this one, our buddy Ted Cruz, Senator Cruise pointing out

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01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: that they better get this right because otherwise Republicans are

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01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: gonna be really upset. Everybody should be upset based on

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01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: the promises that were made. Average families, pray mums. They've

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01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: risen over five thousand dollars under Obamacare. That's the central problem.

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Speaker 1: Now the current House bill as drafted, I do not

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01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: believe it will pass the Senate. It doesn't fix the problem.

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Speaker 1: My biggest concern with the House bill is it doesn't

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01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 1: lower premiums. How you if if Republicans hold a big

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01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: press conference and pat ourselves on the back that we've

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01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: repealed Obamacare and everyone's premiums keep going up, people will

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01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: be ready to tar and feather us in the streets.

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01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: And quite rightly essential point here if the Obamacare repeal

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Speaker 1: does not result in the benefits that Republicans have been

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Speaker 1: saying for quite a while would come from repeal. If

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Speaker 1: that does not happen, they're gonna be problems because what

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01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: have we been promised for all this time, so many

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Speaker 1: years now from the Republicans. Just give us the power,

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01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: will make it better? They say, uh, this, they've taken

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01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: on a court a critical central issue, and I appreciate

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01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 1: that they are tackling this. They're saying they'll pass it

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01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: in the House on Thursday. We will see. I am,

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01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: I am So far it would be fair to say

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01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: that when it comes to the GOP House Obamacare repeal bill,

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01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: fair to say that Buck is not impressed more coming up,

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01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: stay with me. He's an x by trained by the CIA,

1382
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: who knows how to outsmart the enemies of liberty. What

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01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: I do have very particular set of skills. Buck Sexton

1384
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: with America Now Team, your mission, should you choose to

1385
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: accept it, called the Freedom Hunt Operations Center nine hundred

1386
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: Buck make contact unless you're under hostile surveillance dred to

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01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: eight to five. The lines are open, Team, But we

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01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: gotta go to a Trump rally underway right now, live

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01:16:53,000 --> 01:17:00,040
Speaker 1: in Louisville, Kentucky. Play from to Boston, to sandburn a

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01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:06,480
Speaker 1: Dino and many many other places. We've seen attacks overseas

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01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 1: and France, in Germany, in Belgium. It's time for intelligence

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01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: and common sense to be used the single best way

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01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 1: to protect and you have to do this. You have

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01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 1: to do this. And to keep foreign terrorists from attacking

1395
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: our country is to keep these foreign terrorists from entering

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01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: our country in the first place of language certainly itself.

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01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: And we will stop radical Islamic terrorism. We will stop it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let it happen not here. I'm not

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01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: gonna let it happen. H Finally, we want a very

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Speaker 1: big tax cut, but cannot do that until we keep

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01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 1: our promise to repeal and replace the disaster known as Obamacare,

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01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: and we're going to be working very closely with our

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01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: leader Mitch McConnell to get that job done. Paul Ryan, everybody,

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01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: they're going to be working very hard. And Congress been

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01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 1: Andy Barr and Jamie Carman. I have to thank him

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01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: for the help and their support as we moved towards

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01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 1: the crucial House vote on Thursday, the seventh anniversary of

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01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: Obamacare's very painful passage. This is our long awaited chance

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01:18:53,439 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: to finally get rid of Obamacare. It's a long away

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01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: to chance. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it.

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01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: What's the alternative? The alternative is what you have. What

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01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: you have is nothing, the worst, it's the big lie.

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01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: And remember this so true. I happen to like a

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01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: lot Senator Ran Paul I do. I mean to Actually

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01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: I like him. I like his ideas. Good. It's a

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01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 1: good guy. Yeah, and I look forward to working with

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Speaker 1: him so we can get this bill passed in some

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01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 1: form so that we can pass massive tax reform, which

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01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: we can do until this happens. So we gotta get

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01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: this done before we can do the other. In other words,

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01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: we have to know what this is before we can

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01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,719
Speaker 1: do the big tax cuts. We gotta get it done

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01:19:56,160 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons, but that's one of them.

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01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: Kind of a study in the Trump community. And it's

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01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: important to realize how we got to Obamacare in the

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01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 1: first place. Back in two thousand and nine and two

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01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: thousand and ten, House and Senate Democrats fourth through a

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01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: two thousand, seven hundred page healthcare bill that no one

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01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: read and no one understood. By the way, today it's

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01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: thousands of pages more, it's not even understandable. They ignored

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01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: the public, they ignored the voters, and they jammed a massive,

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01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 1: failed health care takeover right through Congress. And this is

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01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: what we have. It's time for Democrat leaders in Washington

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01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: to take responsibility for the disaster they and they alone created.

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01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: The President Obama said, if you like your plan, you

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01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you

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01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: can keep your doctor. Nobody brings that stuff up. Do that?

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01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: Do they ever bring it up? Matt, I don't think so, right,

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01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: they don't bring it up. Knows how they forget all

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01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: those things? Or when the architect of Obamacare said the

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01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: law was passed because of the stupidity of the American voter,

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01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 1: or Bill Clinton on the campaign trail, Oh, he must

1443
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: have a tough night. When he went home that night,

1444
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: called Obamacare the craziest thing in the world, where people

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01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: wind up with their premiums double and their coverage cut

1446
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: in half. Bill Clinton said that the craziest thing in

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01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: the world war the Democratic governor of Minnesota who said

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01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: the Affordable Care Act is no longer affordable. It's been

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01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: one broken promise after another. People have been kicked off

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01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:13,600
Speaker 1: their plans, and their premiums have increased by double and

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01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: triple digits. Arizona up a hundred and by the way,

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01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: insurance companies in a great state known as Kentucky, have

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01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: you ever heard of it? A tremendous trouble will be fleeing,

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01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 1: and we're gonna save it all. We're gonna save it all.

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01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: Tremendous trubbles to disaster. In fact, to counter my speech

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01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 1: two weeks ago in Congress, I don't did anybody see that?

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01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: They used the former governor of Kentucky. And the plan

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01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: doesn't work in Kentucky, but Matt will save us. Many

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01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: of our best and writers are leaving the medical profession

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01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: entirely because of Obamacare. Obamacare has been a complete and

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01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,759
Speaker 1: total catastrophe, and it's getting worse and worse by the day.

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01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 1: And yet you watch the fake media, the fake news,

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01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: and they try and build it up. It's a disaster, fellow,

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01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 1: It's a disaster. We would be great if they told

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01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: the truth about Obamacare. It would be so wonderful for

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01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,839
Speaker 1: the people of this country because it would just sail

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01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: right through. Our plan would sail right through. One third

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01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: of the counties in the United States now have only

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01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 1: one Obamacare in sural left. Some have none, and in

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01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,639
Speaker 1: your state it's worse. In a sail interview, your Governor

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Speaker 1: Matt Bevan, who's right here so I better be careful,

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01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: said that Obamacare was a disaster in Kentucky. Is that right?

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01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm quoting that so accurately, and it is. It's been

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01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: an absolute disaster. Half of our counties only have a

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01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: single provider right now. It's a financial disaster waiting to

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01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: happen right here in your own state. Thursday is our

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01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 1: chance to end Obamacare and the Obamacare catastrophe and begin

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01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 1: delivering the reforms are people deserve. Let's hope it gets through.

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01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: Let's hope it works. Big thing, that we get the

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01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 1: tax cuts, big thing, and Remember, we're gonna negot shade

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01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: and it's gonna go to the Senate and back and forth.

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01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: The end result is gonna be wonderful and it's going

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Speaker 1: to work. Right once this is done, we are also

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Speaker 1: going to work on bringing down the cost of medicine

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01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: by having a fair and competitive bidding process. Some people

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01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 1: think that's just as important as health care. The cost

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01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: of medicine in this country is outrageous, many times higher

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01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: than in some countries in Europe and elsewhere. Why same pill,

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01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 1: same manufacturer, identical, and it's many times higher in the

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Speaker 1: United States. You know why? Campaign contributions. Who knows, but

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01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: somebody's getting very rich. We're gonna bring it down. We're

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01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: gonna have a great competitive bidding process. Medicine prices will

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01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: becoming way down, way way way down, and that's gonna happen.

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01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 1: Fast is not gonna like that. And we're just adding

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01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: that to the bill. I it. We gotta add that

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01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: to the bill. We're gonna do a bill later. We're

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01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 1: trying to add it to this bill, and if we can't,

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01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna have it right after. You have some crazy

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01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: arcane laws, folks. Just in case you haven't heard I

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01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 1: am confident that if we empower the American people, we

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01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: will accomplish incredible things for our country, not just on healthcare,

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01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: but all across our government. And by the way, that

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01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: Second Amendment is very very safe. Right now, All right,

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01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: let's we gotta we gotta put all this for a second.

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01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 1: So you got Trump in Kentucky Louisville, Louisville Louisville, which

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01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm being told by some Kentucky residents on social media

1507
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: right now is a pretty decent pronunciation for a New

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01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: York Yankee. Uh not a baseball player, but you know

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01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 1: what I mean, Uh Trump. I always when I listened

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01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: to him speaking, a couple of things hit me um,

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01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 1: And I'm reminded of it now because he's obviously speaking

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01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 1: in a rally the way that politicians speak to the

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01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 1: American people, at least way it's some politicians speak. American

1514
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 1: people will be changed for many years, maybe even generations

1515
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 1: to come, because it will now be it has now

1516
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 1: been established that speaking to people the way that people

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01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 1: speak is going to be okay. You don't have to

1518
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: have you don't have to always sound like you are,

1519
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 1: you know, reading lines and the Declaration of Independence. You

1520
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 1: don't always have to be holding up this aspirational Oh,

1521
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 1: it's like I'm quoting from the personal letters of the

1522
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: founding fathers, and no, you can just speak to people.

1523
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: They just want you to do. They want you to

1524
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: say what you want to do, and to do what

1525
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: you say you're gonna do. That's it. It's very straightforward.

1526
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: You don't have to fall into the legal ease and

1527
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: bureaucrates and the strained way that so many politicians are

1528
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: really trying to signal to us that they are so

1529
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: smart and so there are you die, They're educated, they're

1530
01:27:56,439 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 1: in charge. They know you can just speak plainly and

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01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 1: openly to people and they will respond. At least a

1532
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: lot of people will respond well to that, even some

1533
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: of some of the rhetorical I don't know if you

1534
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: call it a rhetorical tick or rhetorical trick or any

1535
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: of the above, but the repetition of certain phrases really

1536
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 1: allows you to take it in. I know that on

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01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: the left they say that they make and a lot

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01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 1: of people, not just on the left, a lot of

1539
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: never Trumpers too. They make fun of the way he speaks,

1540
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: They make fun of the idiosyncrasies of Trump's speech. I

1541
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: listened to it, and I think you never leave a

1542
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 1: Trump speech not knowing what he thinks about something, and

1543
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 1: you remember things that he said, and that makes him

1544
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: different from almost every other politician I have ever heard

1545
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: give a speech anywhere. It is powerful. Um, it is

1546
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: powerful stuff. Buck Sexton with America. Now the Freedom Hut

1547
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: is fired up as Team Buck as symbols shouldered as

1548
01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: shoulder shields high. Call in eight four d bucks. That's

1549
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred two eight to five. Phone

1550
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,600
Speaker 1: lines are open. You just heard the gentleman, and we

1551
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: are shoulders shoulder shields high. It's a little team Buck reference,

1552
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: or I guess the current Team Buck reference too. So

1553
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: what do we have to chat about here now? Oh? Yes, indeed, sorry,

1554
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 1: I started talking about that planet Earths here. It's amazing

1555
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: though if you haven't seen it, it's on BBC. The

1556
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 1: BBC America is the channel, right. Uh. And there's this

1557
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: there's first of all, they have a swimming sloth at

1558
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:33,759
Speaker 1: one point, and the swimming slot is trying to find

1559
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 1: a mate, and you know, you've got David Attenborough just

1560
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 1: fantastic voice over. It's like and the sloth goes slowly

1561
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: across the river, getting closer and closer to the sloth

1562
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: of his dreams, and then he arrives and it's the

1563
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: wrong sloth. Sure enough, you know my man, my main man,

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01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: the sloth. We didn't give him a name. Maybe we

1565
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: call him, I don't know, slothy or sloth like. Uh.

1566
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 1: He goes across in the show to find his his

1567
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 1: lady sloth and she's like not having it. So he

1568
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 1: did not bring over some sloth flowers. It was not

1569
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: gonna not gonna work out for him. He's got to

1570
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 1: go find another slot. Which, let me tell you, it's

1571
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 1: a big deal. Do you think it's a big deal

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01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 1: if you have to go out on a date or something,

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01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 1: or you have date night with the with the mrs

1574
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 1: or the Mr. Well, first law, that's like it takes

1575
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours ago a hundred yards, so

1576
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: you can imagine what that's like. Anyway, the show is

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01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: I really like it. I like this. It took them

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01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: ten years, I think to finally put another nature show

1579
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: like this out there. Um, so anyway, there is that.

1580
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: And I also wanted to spend a bit of time

1581
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: here on Oh we're just talking about the media, and

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01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 1: we do we we did check to make sure the

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01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: words were bleaped. Because Mr Zakaria, Mr Freed Zakaria, who

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01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:56,640
Speaker 1: is over at CNN. Uh. He he gives his analysis

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01:30:56,680 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: of the Trump situation, and his an elysis goes like

1586
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: this that because he has been b sing for so

1587
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 1: long so effectively, you can't tell him to stop b

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01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: s ng. Let's play as a car at first. Then

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01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 1: we'll get into a buck slap twenty three. I think

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01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 1: the president is somewhat indifferent to things that are true

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01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: or false. He has spent his whole life both, he

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01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: has succeeded by both. He has gotten the presidency by both.

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01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: It's very hard to tell somebody at that point that

1594
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 1: both kid doesn't work because look at the results. Right.

1595
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: So you got Mrs A car Let's buck slap it

1596
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: for a second. Here there we go. You know, are

1597
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: your your journalist, you're saying that the President United States

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01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 1: is b s ing, But next week it's gonna be

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01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a serious journalist. That's that's nonpartisan and

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01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 1: straight down the center and just the facts. And why

1601
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 1: is he going on TV saying B s ng. I

1602
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: like salty language in my private life, but I don't

1603
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 1: I don't go on air or go on TV dropping

1604
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: that stuff. No good, own good. All were joined by

1605
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 1: our friend David French. Now he's a staff writer for

1606
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 1: a National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute,

1607
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:11,719
Speaker 1: and an attorney and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. David,

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01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: thanks for calling in, well, thanks so much for having me.

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01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Kind of want to get your take

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01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: on a few things we've hit today, and we'll move

1611
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 1: into some new territory with the some of the court

1612
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 1: decisions of labor. First, ye know, what was what do

1613
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:28,640
Speaker 1: we learned today that matters from the FBI? The FBI

1614
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:34,839
Speaker 1: Russia Comy Collusion hearing. Well, you know, this was useful

1615
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: in the sense that it cut through. It kind of

1616
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 1: confirmed things that are a lot of us already suspected,

1617
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,759
Speaker 1: but at least now it's confirmed. We know the FBI

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01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:48,719
Speaker 1: is investigating motion involvement in the election that's been widely

1619
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:52,799
Speaker 1: reported but never really confirmed. We know they're investigating possible

1620
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 1: m links between the Russian campaign, as the Russian operation

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01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 1: of intelligence operations in the truck campaign that's long been

1622
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,719
Speaker 1: reported but not confirmed, you know, And it was also

1623
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 1: useful to once again, have intelligence officials reaffirmed that, uh,

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01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 1: there's no evidence of any painting of the actual voting

1625
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 1: process in the election. And you know, a lot of

1626
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 1: people on Twitter kind of rolled their eyes at that that.

1627
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: Republicans made a big point about making sure that these

1628
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,680
Speaker 1: intelligence officials stated that they had no information that the

1629
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 1: voting itself was compromised. But you have to realize was

1630
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 1: all this talk of Russian hacking of the election. They're

1631
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: an awful lot of Americans who believe that the vote

1632
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: count is actually suspect, so it's important to get that

1633
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 1: out there. Um. And then you know, of course there

1634
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,640
Speaker 1: was the much talked about discussion that there seems to

1635
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: be no evidence that Obama um ordered a wire tap

1636
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,720
Speaker 1: of Trump Tower. And then the final thing that I

1637
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: thought was interesting was there's intelligence of indicating that it

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01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: wasn't just a d NC that was hacked, that there

1639
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: appears to have been an RNC hack or a hack

1640
01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 1: of some sort of Republican network as well. But those

1641
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 1: documents aren't out yet. So those are all the high

1642
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: points I think from the from the hearing. Now, David,

1643
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 1: you you've in the past been very willing to criticize Trump, uh,

1644
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: as it's just a general matter, right. You're you're somebody

1645
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 1: who will say when you think Trump is is doing

1646
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,799
Speaker 1: bad things, and you say, with Trump is is actually

1647
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 1: moving in the right direction. I wanted your And you're

1648
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 1: also somebody who has held to clearance work in the

1649
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: military and as a lawyer. What do you think? I

1650
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 1: mean to me, I look at this, and I say, Okay,

1651
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 1: clearly the media has already come to the conclusion, and

1652
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:35,720
Speaker 1: I do believe that they This isn't a opposed They're

1653
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:37,679
Speaker 1: not just pretending to believe this. I think a lot

1654
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 1: of the journalists out there right now. I think that

1655
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,639
Speaker 1: there was an active collusion, that there was a plot,

1656
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: a conspiracy between the Trump administration and the Russian government too.

1657
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: And I don't even know what the proper term, not

1658
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: to not to hack the election, because we haven't seen

1659
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:57,440
Speaker 1: anything about, but that there was gonna be some propaganda

1660
01:34:57,479 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: effort against Hillary to help Trump, and that the and

1661
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 1: that the Trump administration was in on this somehow. Uh.

1662
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: To me, I keep coming back to that seems like

1663
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 1: a very ineffective, very high risk, very poorly thought out plot,

1664
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 1: which makes me think it's incredibly unlikely that is the case.

1665
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: Is there another way that you know, what do they

1666
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 1: think could be proven here? What do you think is

1667
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 1: a reasonable version of the conspiracy as the Democrats on

1668
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 1: the Hill and in the media see it. Yeah, so,

1669
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: I you know, this is this is a good quote.

1670
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,720
Speaker 1: You're asking and in might be the right question. What

1671
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 1: is it exactly that you think you're going to find?

1672
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: And I think if you pin down a reasonable person,

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01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 1: a reasonable person on the other side of the aisle

1674
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 1: who's convinced of at least some degree of collusion, would

1675
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:48,440
Speaker 1: say that that there was some information sharing from Russian intelligence,

1676
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 1: maybe two friends in the Trump campaign like a Paul

1677
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 1: man Afford or a Carter Page or a friendly people

1678
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 1: friendly to Trump, like a right like a Roger Stone,

1679
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 1: that there was some sort of information Asian sharing. Not

1680
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: so much hey, let's work together to hack d NC

1681
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 1: computers or um, let's work together to generate fake news,

1682
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 1: but some sort of information sharing UM and that at

1683
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 1: some point, maybe or maybe not, Trump found out about it.

1684
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 1: I think that's the most reasonable guests that I've heard

1685
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 1: um And And look, I mean, we have seen no

1686
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 1: evidence of that yet. We we haven't seen and and

1687
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 1: this is something that's really important to note, I mean

1688
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 1: intelligence of visuals. So far, speaking on and off the record,

1689
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 1: have seen no evidence of collusion. So we haven't seen that.

1690
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:38,600
Speaker 1: But I if I was going to articulate what I

1691
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:43,879
Speaker 1: would think would be the most reasonable democratic um assess,

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Speaker 1: the most reasonable sort of democratic suspicion, it would be

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Speaker 1: that that there was some improper information sharing between these

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01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 1: very Russia friendly um um earlier Trump aids and now

1695
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 1: remember all of those guys well Manaford and Page or

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01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: excuse from the campaign, so that towards the tail end

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Speaker 1: of the Trump campaign they were not a part of it.

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Speaker 1: They were part of it earlier, and they did have

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Speaker 1: long standing Russia ties. So I think that that is

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01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 1: one of the reasons, um why there's an awful lot

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01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 1: of suspicion. And I would guess that's what they're they're

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01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 1: look they're looking at. Is there what statute? I mean,

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01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 1: you're also you're a lawyer and familiar with the Federal

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01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 1: Criminal Code. What statute? Realistically? I mean, I know, conceivably

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01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 1: we could we could say, well, you know, maybe they're uh,

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01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 1: maybe they're guilty of violent and the Espionage Act or something.

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01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, that's you can come up

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01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,839
Speaker 1: with anything because we are now I'm asking you to surmise,

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01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm asking you to give me you know so, so

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01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 1: I just revering's clear on this. I'm not saying, Hey, David,

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01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 1: what do we know now? I'm saying, what is even

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01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 1: theoretically but realistically possible here? I am yet, I am

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01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: not aware And and it's a question I've been meeting

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01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 1: to post your colleague Annie McCarthy and National Review as well.

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01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm not aware of any federal criminal statute that anyone has, Anybody,

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01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 1: anyone in the Democrat already, anybody in the media has

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01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:05,040
Speaker 1: been able to point to yet other than Aaron Burnett

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01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 1: on CNN saying isn't that treason? Which no aeron, no aeron,

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01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: it is not. And treason is something for which you

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Speaker 1: can get the death penalty. It is not treason. Other

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01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 1: than that, I have not heard a single statue mentioned.

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01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 1: Is there a statue you think that could if what

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01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 1: the Democrats say is true and there were conversations between

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01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 1: Russians and Trump campaign members about the election, what statue

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01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,679
Speaker 1: would they if any have violated? You know that that's

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01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 1: a great question, and I'm you know, if you're talking

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01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:35,839
Speaker 1: about the scenario eye outlined. Let's say you have Russian

1728
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 1: intelligence operatives who say we've got this and this and

1729
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,839
Speaker 1: this on wiki leaks, and it's going to be released

1730
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 1: on such and such dates. Um, and that's conveyed to

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01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 1: say a Paul Maniford or a Carter Page. And again

1732
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 1: this is just to be super clear, there's a rank speculation.

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01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 1: You're taking the media's accusation more or less seriously. That's

1734
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: because this is what they believe. Yeah, this is zoom.

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01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 1: For the sake of argument, I don't see that as

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01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:06,760
Speaker 1: a violation of American criminal law. Now, as a practical

1737
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 1: political matter, it would be utterly devastating, it would become

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01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 1: It would be devastating if that if that kind of

1739
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 1: information hit the public square. Now, as far as a

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01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 1: criminal matter, you know, it's hard to see what kind

1741
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 1: of charge would stick there. Now. You know, there are

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01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 1: people who are more well versed in counterintelligence and and

1743
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 1: espionage legal issues than I am, to be sure, So

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01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 1: don't take that word as gospel. But I'm certainly not

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01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 1: looking at um, you know, what are the counts in

1746
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 1: the indictment here? I think it's much more, honestly, and

1747
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 1: much more of a. They're looking for a huge they're

1748
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 1: looking to hobble the administration politically. That's really the end

1749
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:49,160
Speaker 1: goal that they hope for the investigation. But I just so,

1750
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 1: just so ever listening, I mean, if you're the defense

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01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 1: attorney and you're sitting down with you know, I don't know,

1752
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 1: Paul Maniford or Carter Page, you've been assigned to them,

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01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 1: and the allegation against them is and let's just assume

1754
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 1: and somehow this has turned into indictment. And my my

1755
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 1: knowledge is kind of getting a little a little shaky here,

1756
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 1: but uh that they they had a contact abroad, they

1757
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 1: met with the Russians, and the Russians said, hey, just

1758
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 1: so you know, we're going to do our part to

1759
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 1: help out, you know, Donald and to beat him. And again, everybody,

1760
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:19,920
Speaker 1: this is complete speculation. I'm not saying this happened. But

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01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: if that had happened, I am very confident that that

1762
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 1: Maniford or carter Page saying okay, whatever UH is violates

1763
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 1: not a single federal statute. If that was the conversation

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01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 1: or something along those lines, there's no way they could

1765
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 1: be criminally charged with anything, right, And and people need

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01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 1: to understand there's a difference between counter intelligence and criminal.

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01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: Counter Intelligence investigations and criminal investigations are not the same thing.

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01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 1: And and people need to understand that there is such

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01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 1: a thing as a counter intelligence operation investigation where you're

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01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:58,280
Speaker 1: trying to determine and frustrate the strategies and tactics of

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01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: a foreign power who's trying to robe America for information.

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01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 1: That's counter intelligence. Now it can often morph into something

1773
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 1: criminal if, for example, of someone in the United States

1774
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:11,559
Speaker 1: violating the law of the United States, or American citizens

1775
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:15,920
Speaker 1: giveaway information they're not supposed to give away, or conspires

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01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 1: with a foreign power. There there are hosts in criminal

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01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:22,640
Speaker 1: statutes that can apply in in theory and counter intelligence operations,

1778
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 1: but they're not the same thing. And and when you

1779
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 1: hear FBI, you automatically think, well, they're only dealing with

1780
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:32,800
Speaker 1: criminal Well, they also have a counterintelligence side of the house,

1781
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:37,639
Speaker 1: and that's something that's in operation, uh you know, hopefully

1782
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 1: at at a high level of efficiency at all times.

1783
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 1: And so um, that's that's part of what's going on here.

1784
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 1: And but when you when anyone hears FBI, they think crime, crime, crime,

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01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 1: And that's not always necessarily the case, right, what we

1786
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 1: were told today was that the FBI has a counter

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01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:58,439
Speaker 1: intelligence investigation ongoing, which is about in which is yes,

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01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 1: it can turn into a criminal investigation, but it's generally

1789
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 1: about really information gathering. It's when the FBI is acting

1790
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 1: people who forget FBI as part of the seventeen agency

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01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 1: Intelligence Community, as part of the I SEE And this

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01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:13,720
Speaker 1: is when it is really exercising it's I C or

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01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:18,360
Speaker 1: intelligence specific function, which is just about getting information. And

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01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:21,440
Speaker 1: when we're talking about getting information about and on foreigners,

1795
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:24,360
Speaker 1: it's pretty much whatever we you know, however we can

1796
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 1: get it is how we're going to get it, as

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01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 1: long as nobody is hurting the process. Well and and again,

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01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, this is something the FBI has been doing

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01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:34,559
Speaker 1: for a very long time, and we want them doing

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01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 1: this and we want them gathering as much information as

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01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 1: possible about how and why Russia does what it does

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01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 1: and then be able to implement and recommend to federal

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01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:45,680
Speaker 1: agencies the steps that they need to take to to

1804
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:49,760
Speaker 1: frustrate Russian intentions. So that's why at some point, you know,

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01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 1: there's going to need to be a full report on

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01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 1: what happened, who talked to whom, how they did, what

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01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 1: they did and and there. It's possible. I mean again,

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01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:01,599
Speaker 1: we have not seen evidence of this. It's possible that

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01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 1: you would see some sort of contexts and information sharing

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01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 1: from the Russians to Russian friendly members of the earlier

1811
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 1: Trump campaign. Possible. Now, um, is that probable? Have no idea?

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01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 1: Is it possibly criminal? I think that's highly unlikely, highly unlikely.

1813
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,000
Speaker 1: But again, this is something that's serious enough when you're

1814
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:25,719
Speaker 1: talking about a foreign powers intelligence operations in a foreign

1815
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 1: power targeting and election. This is exactly what the FBI

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01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 1: should be doing, is investigating what that foreign power does.

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01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:35,800
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's no big news flash that they're

1818
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:37,640
Speaker 1: doing it. It It would shock me if they weren't, but

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01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:40,000
Speaker 1: it is news that they confirmed it. David, just a

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01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 1: couple of minutes before we have to run to a break,

1821
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 1: and I wanted to ask you about the judge out

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01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 1: in Hawaii that has put this stay on stay on

1823
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:52,799
Speaker 1: the executive order about travel from six Muslim majority countries.

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01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 1: You're a lawyer, what's your read on this? That Hawaii

1825
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,640
Speaker 1: judge's opinion is one of the worst opinions I have

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01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 1: ever read of from a judge at any level, at

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01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:06,559
Speaker 1: any point in my legal career. It's it's astonishing. What

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01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 1: he's essentially done is given people in the United States.

1829
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 1: And I'm not making this up, by the way, if

1830
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 1: they have hurt feelings, hurt feelings about a president's order

1831
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 1: as it impacts Muslims overseas, then they have standing to

1832
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 1: mount an establishment clause challenge against the president's ruling. I'm

1833
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 1: against the president's order. That's extraordinary. Now, keep in mind,

1834
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 1: the people who are filing suits under this against his

1835
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 1: sought disorder are not are not directly impacted by it.

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01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 1: Um they are here, they're not being barred from coming

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01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:43,480
Speaker 1: into the country, and so, but they have hurt feelings

1838
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 1: because they're Muslim, for example, and they think this exhibits

1839
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:51,720
Speaker 1: anti Muslim bias, and they're blocking a national security and

1840
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:56,519
Speaker 1: immigration order that is clearly within the constitutional purview of

1841
01:44:56,560 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: Congress and the president uh enacted under specific sick explicit

1842
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 1: statutes granting the president of the authority. But he's being

1843
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 1: blocked on the establishment cause ground. It's extraordinary, and you

1844
01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:12,720
Speaker 1: know this has to go. This president cannot stand. I

1845
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 1: look forward to seeing this appealed. I look forward to

1846
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 1: seeing if the Supreme Court will will address this squarely

1847
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 1: on the merits without suffering from excessive Trump arrangement syndrome

1848
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 1: and does the right thing. David French Everybody is a

1849
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:29,640
Speaker 1: staff writer for National Review and a senior review at

1850
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 1: the National Senior fellow at the National Review Institute. David,

1851
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,160
Speaker 1: thanks for calling in. Come back soon, Thanks for having me.

1852
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:38,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Team hitting a break, We'll be right back.

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01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 1: All of times here reporting that the judge Napolitano, who

1854
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 1: is an analyst and talking head over at Fox News

1855
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:51,800
Speaker 1: uh met talked to the judge, met the judge, work

1856
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 1: with the judge many times. He has been temporarily what's

1857
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 1: the well he has been pulled from the air, according

1858
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:00,840
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles Times. I don't know if this is true.

1859
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 1: I haven't seen this verified. It may just be right

1860
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:05,639
Speaker 1: now and on source report. But for those who are

1861
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:08,760
Speaker 1: asking me, as some did on social media, by the way,

1862
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:10,600
Speaker 1: at buck Sexon on Twitter, if you're listening, you can

1863
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 1: always ad me questions throughout the show or after the show.

1864
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 1: Follow me on Twitter at buck Sexton. Uh The g

1865
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 1: c h Q theory about how the British maybe did

1866
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 1: the spying on Trump for Obama and back, No, I

1867
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 1: don't I don't know anybody who is hanging onto that one. Now,

1868
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 1: it would not make any sense for the Brits to

1869
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:36,720
Speaker 1: play in in that in that sandbox at all. That

1870
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:39,599
Speaker 1: would be a very very bad idea. Um. They would

1871
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:41,400
Speaker 1: not want to be doing that. And it doesn't make

1872
01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:43,800
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense. So I don't know. Maybe

1873
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 1: somebody lied to the judge and now he's taken the

1874
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:47,519
Speaker 1: heat for it. But I'm just seeing this report in

1875
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Times that he's been full temper earlier from Fox.

1876
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:52,559
Speaker 1: So that the g h Q theory, which is British

1877
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:56,439
Speaker 1: intelligence spying on Trump, I think we can put that one.

1878
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 1: We can put that to bed for now. That does

1879
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:01,440
Speaker 1: not see him like anyone standing me find it. Um,

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01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 1: all right, we got a lot of show. I'm already

1881
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 1: thinking about the show for the rest of the week

1882
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 1: right now. Facebook dot com slash buck Sexton to follow

1883
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:11,719
Speaker 1: me there and also please download the podcast on iTunes.

1884
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America Now until tomorrow night, my friends,

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Speaker 1: Shield High