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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the break. Um, I have Nick, Dave
Speaker 1: and then here's me. But we'll wait. We're still waiting
Speaker 1: on Derek. He will well, he's supposed to come over
Speaker 1: here in a little bit. So well, when you're a
Speaker 1: vice president, you know, stuff happens. You got into the
Speaker 1: intro quickly and not a whole lot a rigamar roll.
Speaker 1: I like it. I'm ready for it. Episode Nope, no,
Speaker 1: so too. Okay. Used to be Greg's airline, but it
Speaker 1: isn't anymore and it won't be. Well, wait, way to go,
Speaker 1: that's true. Let's move on. We're in here. Let's go.
Speaker 1: We're in here. Well, a lot has happened since the
Speaker 1: last time we did the show. We have Steven Jones,
Speaker 1: who has talked. We have Jerry Jones. Also, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: spoke to the media. So a lot of things have happened,
Speaker 1: owner's meeting, Dave, you just came back from the trip,
Speaker 1: So a lot of different subjects, but I wanted to
Speaker 1: start off with real quick because I am fed up
Speaker 1: with the subject and I'm ready to move on. No,
Speaker 1: it's nothing major, Okay, Brandy Gregory, Amari Cooper. This is
Speaker 1: the first time we kind of hear comments from them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so just wanted to ask you, guys, is there anything
Speaker 1: else that we should talk about in regards to that
Speaker 1: whole situation or are we finally ready to kind of
Speaker 1: move on from that at least until the season starts. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because that's I think that's
Speaker 1: what it is. Is these the lines have been drawn
Speaker 1: between the two sides of this argument, and yeah, talking
Speaker 1: to everybody in the Cowboys front office, I mean that's
Speaker 1: the line. The spin if you, if you're a more
Speaker 1: pessimist excited person, the spin is that the Cowboys took
Speaker 1: the savings from those two players and invested it in
Speaker 1: a bunch of other guys. And I think the counter
Speaker 1: to that is, yeah, but who are they as good
Speaker 1: as the guys that you lost? And there to your point,
Speaker 1: it's almost not worth arguing about until we start playing
Speaker 1: games and we'll have we'll have some some bodies of
Speaker 1: work to compare it to. I can't wait. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see how Randy and Amari do with their
Speaker 1: new teams and to see how that stacks up with
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys do. Yeah, let me ask you this, Nick,
Speaker 1: going back to what Dave just said and about you know,
Speaker 1: the price and what you got for and all that
Speaker 1: the players, the amount of players that you got. Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones guy criticized a lot on social media by a
Speaker 1: lot of people by saying a comment like that. You
Speaker 1: were one who kind of mentioned it, and you got
Speaker 1: on Twitter and you got criticized two about kind of
Speaker 1: the two options. You know, this was the player that
Speaker 1: you were gonna get versus well, now you got all
Speaker 1: these other players. Yeah, and I didn't get criticized by everybody.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that that thought that was
Speaker 1: that was a good plan. I mean basically what I
Speaker 1: said is they took this money from Randy and they
Speaker 1: basically got four guys. They got four guys that that
Speaker 1: that they signed for cheaper. In this particular case, I
Speaker 1: liked that one better. I liked it better because I thought,
Speaker 1: I think Dorin's Armstrong and Fowler. I'd rather have those
Speaker 1: two guys than to have Randy, because I don't think
Speaker 1: Randy is as dynamic as everyone says. And I'd rather
Speaker 1: have the two guys. You're gonna get a little bit
Speaker 1: more production out of it, plus Layton plus James Washington,
Speaker 1: two players that are there were high draft picks that
Speaker 1: you hope maybe can turn it around. So I take
Speaker 1: those four over one. Not in every case, but in
Speaker 1: this case. Yes. And that's how the Cowboys for an
Speaker 1: Office feels too. And that yeah. Jerry's direct quote was
Speaker 1: we got three top players with the savings, and the
Speaker 1: response on social media was like, looking for these players,
Speaker 1: which three are we talking about here? Yeah? Darn curse
Speaker 1: from last year. I mean, that's that's another thing I
Speaker 1: can't remember. Everyone was like, Hi, Derek, Hi, Sorry, how
Speaker 1: are you? I'm good? Good, let's good to included here.
Speaker 1: We're talking about Amari Cooper and Randy Gregory. The comments
Speaker 1: that were made, We're kind of ready to move on
Speaker 1: from that subject, but wanted to see if there is
Speaker 1: anything else that you maybe want to comment on. Get
Speaker 1: off your chest before we put a pause on that.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of torn on this one because on the
Speaker 1: one hand, I get the idea that Randy, although Randy
Speaker 1: was a promising player, and I've said this on this
Speaker 1: show before, you look at his numbers in his production
Speaker 1: year over year, and the fact that he hasn't completed
Speaker 1: a single season in his career, like, there are lots
Speaker 1: of things that make you say it still was a projection.
Speaker 1: You still were hoping at some point that Randy would
Speaker 1: become a premier pass rusher in this league. He has
Speaker 1: not done that yet. But at the same time, I
Speaker 1: hear the comments about the what we got three players,
Speaker 1: four players, whatever, I don't know, it seems a little
Speaker 1: hollow to me, just because the way I look at
Speaker 1: it is, I think everybody here I'm talking about everybody
Speaker 1: in this building wanted to sign Randy. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: they were making the decision We're gonna pass on Randy
Speaker 1: to go get these three or four guys. They wanted Randy.
Speaker 1: It just didn't work out. So the consolation prize was
Speaker 1: you get these three or four guys. So from that standpoint,
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I just don't think that's how
Speaker 1: it's being said right now, and I take a little
Speaker 1: bit of like, I take a little different opinion on that.
Speaker 1: That was just the consolation. You can get three or
Speaker 1: four guys. But I think everybody wanted Randy, as everybody's admitted. Okay,
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, and I say this every year
Speaker 1: I say about building your team, I thought, I think
Speaker 1: the Patriots do it very well about the one to
Speaker 1: fifty three having good depth all across the board. If
Speaker 1: you keep Randy and if you keep Amari Cooper, okay,
Speaker 1: what does the rest of your roster look like? Like, like,
Speaker 1: are you and are you okay with that? It's not
Speaker 1: a James Washington, It's not a Dante Fowler, Dorn's Armstrong,
Speaker 1: it's not it's Bradley and I like, who's not I
Speaker 1: don't even know if he's in the league. Got a
Speaker 1: place for the Jets? Okay? Okay? Uh close? Um. So
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, so if you do all that, like
Speaker 1: who who are the guys so they're getting? Are you
Speaker 1: fine with that? If you? Well, my question is, are
Speaker 1: we sure that if you got Randy, you couldn't get
Speaker 1: Don's Armstrong or you couldn't get James Washington or you
Speaker 1: couldn't get Drance No, Fowler and Washington could be here, friend,
Speaker 1: okay here. So so if you got Fowler and you
Speaker 1: had Randy Gregory and you had d Law and you
Speaker 1: had James Washington, is that is that? I think that's
Speaker 1: pretty good. Who's blocking on the offensive line? I mean, like,
Speaker 1: well we still got that problem right now. That hasn't changed,
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, I mean, it's a whole scope. It's
Speaker 1: like it's a you're getting these two guys and you're
Speaker 1: keeping them. But I mean, are you want to be
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'll say it. You want to be Washington forever?
Speaker 1: You just want to be these get these top front
Speaker 1: line guys, and then you have Arena league players at
Speaker 1: the bottom. I mean, but that's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think that that's necessarily how it has
Speaker 1: to work because as we just said, Gott but Dan,
Speaker 1: let's not act like Darran's Armstrong is some like that's
Speaker 1: not the difference maker here. Like if you're getting if
Speaker 1: you're getting Dante Fowler and you're getting Randy Gregory, I
Speaker 1: think that is better than getting Dante Fowler. Fowler and
Speaker 1: and um and Doran's Armstrong. I don't think you're getting
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna get that. I don't think
Speaker 1: you'd get both guys. You wouldn't try to get both guys.
Speaker 1: And Fowler's deals worth like three million dollars. That's that's
Speaker 1: the point, is that how many how many like skinny
Speaker 1: pass rushers do you need? I mean, how many how
Speaker 1: many guys do you do you need? Like that? You're
Speaker 1: not going to get another Dante Fowler. I mean, Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory got you seventeen tackles last year. Okay, so how's
Speaker 1: but let's say let's say we back away from that.
Speaker 1: Let's say that Let's say you've got let's say you
Speaker 1: got don Let's say you get Randy Gregory. Let's say
Speaker 1: they got Randy Gregory, and let's say that their third
Speaker 1: guy was going to be Gholston, Like, do you not
Speaker 1: think Gholston can be Doran's armstrong? Yeah? Okay, So so
Speaker 1: your defensive defensive ends now they look pretty good? Right? Okay,
Speaker 1: So okay, what are you arguing? I understand, like, guess
Speaker 1: what I'm mark. You get Randy Gregory and you get
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, Then what else. Yeah, I think what what
Speaker 1: I'm arguing is, it sounds like what you're saying is
Speaker 1: if if you got Randy Gregory, then you can't get
Speaker 1: all these other pieces. You're basically stuck with Bradley and
Speaker 1: I And I don't think that's necessarily the case. What
Speaker 1: they do? I think you could. I think you they
Speaker 1: still had money. I mean, they got rid of Amark Cooper,
Speaker 1: but they still had money. Okay, so they still could
Speaker 1: have had Layton vander Esh, they still could have had
Speaker 1: James Washington, like, they still could have done a lot
Speaker 1: of the things they've already done if they would have
Speaker 1: signed Randy Gregory. Right, No, allright, I mean okay, but
Speaker 1: well I mean argue with then. I mean, they still
Speaker 1: have cap space right now. So what do you think
Speaker 1: they're doing? Then? I have no clue. I don't honestly,
Speaker 1: like I think they got all this money. They just
Speaker 1: kept it because they want to know. I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: they know they are there. They want the long term
Speaker 1: health of their cap to be good. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: help me in twenty twenty two. Doesn't make the team anybody?
Speaker 1: And aren't they still getting ten million in June from
Speaker 1: from le Yeah? So that'll take care of your draft picks. Right. So,
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is, and we've seen this throughout the league,
Speaker 1: the people you want to keep, right, you can keep Like,
Speaker 1: there's a way to do it. There's there was even
Speaker 1: talk out there, which I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: true or not, but there was talk out there that
Speaker 1: there was a possibility they could have redone Amari's deal
Speaker 1: and maybe Amari would have been open to it, and
Speaker 1: they could have done it in a way to where
Speaker 1: it would have been a lot less of a hit
Speaker 1: on their cap, still saving them a ton of money. Right, So,
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is there was a way to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could definitely have kept them, right, they didn't want to.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to keep it. That's at the point.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to it. So it's not it's not
Speaker 1: about the cap, I don't think, And it's not about
Speaker 1: the money. I think they can make the money work.
Speaker 1: I think Yeah. I think it's more about who do
Speaker 1: they want to not want And that's a whole different conversation. Well,
Speaker 1: I really thought this was gonna be something. Yeah, You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna touch on this briefly and move on to
Speaker 1: something else quickly. But one thing we know is what
Speaker 1: they do have currently. That's what it is. We can
Speaker 1: talk about different scenarios, but this is the reality of
Speaker 1: what they currently have. So I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: guys about what are some other priorities on the team
Speaker 1: position wise? Stephen Jerry. They've talked about the old line.
Speaker 1: We know what's there. They need guard, they need to tackle.
Speaker 1: We also heard about the kicker. You know, they want
Speaker 1: to add a veteran guy that could come in. They
Speaker 1: did want to assign Greg Serlin back, but he ended
Speaker 1: up going with the Jets. So what they look like
Speaker 1: right now? What is another position that you guys think
Speaker 1: of as a priority in high need, Whether it's mainly
Speaker 1: I'll say mainly free agency right now before we head
Speaker 1: into the draft. I mean in free agency, they need
Speaker 1: a kicker. They're not shy about saying that. They I
Speaker 1: think they need to do something about their offensive line again,
Speaker 1: just to cover themselves. I don't think they'll bring in
Speaker 1: another receiver, but I think this team desperately needs one,
Speaker 1: and like and like I said, I would be I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think i'd be surprised to see them
Speaker 1: bring in a vetter and I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: anybody left that is really worth the money, but they
Speaker 1: need one in the top one hundred. I mean, Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones said yesterday they're optimistic about Michael Gallop, but they
Speaker 1: have to prepare for the very real possibility that he
Speaker 1: misses as much as like two or three games first
Speaker 1: month of the season. Basically, what does that leave you
Speaker 1: with if he's not available right now? It would be
Speaker 1: Semi Fihoko and guys that were on the practice squad
Speaker 1: last year as guys that would have to play like
Speaker 1: meaningful snaps for you. So, yeah, they got to do
Speaker 1: something about that offensive line for sure. I mean, you
Speaker 1: gotta get oh line, you gotta get a you know,
Speaker 1: it sounds like even a tackle is in play here,
Speaker 1: like a swing tackle type guy should be. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to start for you a few games.
Speaker 1: And you know that. So offensive tackle, U center, guard,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, once again, they're they're they're probably
Speaker 1: them at center is not the same that I would
Speaker 1: have at center. I mean I'd have a bigger problem
Speaker 1: at that position than they do. Well, you're saying you
Speaker 1: would you would evaluate that as a bigger problem than
Speaker 1: they do. I have evaluated that as a bigger problem,
Speaker 1: and we talked about it a lot, and you know,
Speaker 1: they want to see this out and I'll and I'll
Speaker 1: say this, I would have been shocked if you would
Speaker 1: have told me a year ago that Terrence Steele would
Speaker 1: end up playing enough to pretty much not lie all
Speaker 1: columns out of a job. I would be like, no way.
Speaker 1: So I disagree with that decision, though, I mean like solve, No,
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with with the decision. So I'm saying
Speaker 1: I was wrong about that. They stuck with them, They've
Speaker 1: developed them, and they think the same thing's going to happen,
Speaker 1: to be honest, and you know what if that's the case.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm not saying when you look
Speaker 1: at how the priority on other positions like guard or
Speaker 1: even swing tackle, I think that's where the issue comes.
Speaker 1: It's like who do you put first? Like you you're
Speaker 1: not giving that much attention to center when you have
Speaker 1: all these other positions that are a lot higher as
Speaker 1: far as need. I'll keep saying it like I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to convince anybody that Tyler is Travis Frederick. But
Speaker 1: it's not this five alarm fire that I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people think it is to me because if
Speaker 1: they upgrade the left guard, if Tyler Beotist is playing
Speaker 1: between two badasses instead of him and Connor Williams forming
Speaker 1: a weak link of substantial size, I think I think
Speaker 1: it could be fine. Again, probably not an all pro,
Speaker 1: but like I if right now, especially shockingly, they haven't
Speaker 1: done anything. They have not brought in a veteran who
Speaker 1: can play right now, And so you're saying, what would
Speaker 1: I rather come out of the draft with a badass
Speaker 1: left guard or a better center? I need the guard.
Speaker 1: I don't want to start Connor McGovern again. We did that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, thank you. So you'd rather just have
Speaker 1: center with a first round guard probably then a first
Speaker 1: round center and then whatever you're stuck with a guard? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I get. I mean that gets into a fun
Speaker 1: draft conversation because I think Tyler Lindenball, the center out
Speaker 1: of Iowa, is a better player than a guard that
Speaker 1: you would get in the first round. But they don't
Speaker 1: have anything. And that's why I think they're crazy if
Speaker 1: they go into this draft without signing a guard, and
Speaker 1: they're honestly, they're running out of options. I mean, we
Speaker 1: joked last week. It feels like a month ago already.
Speaker 1: But Will Hernandez is off the market now, Ethan Posuk
Speaker 1: is off the market now. Eric Flowers is still there.
Speaker 1: But like the name, the list of names is dwindling
Speaker 1: in terms of are you though, like, Okay, I hate
Speaker 1: that this is coming out of my mouth, but Eric
Speaker 1: Flowers has started a lot of football games, Like I
Speaker 1: would at least like to have somebody in here who
Speaker 1: it's like, well, he's played NFL football. Eric Flowers, to me,
Speaker 1: is very similar to those other guys that have played
Speaker 1: over the years that you drafted high because you like
Speaker 1: them and you have to you have to make them
Speaker 1: a tackle. But in reality, Leonard Davis was a guard
Speaker 1: and he was a bust in Arizona. But he was
Speaker 1: a guard and he was an all pro. Robert Gallery
Speaker 1: from the Raiders, same thing. He goes to guard. You
Speaker 1: draft them because they're big and they're strong. In their
Speaker 1: second round, I mean, first round, you gotta gotta gotta
Speaker 1: be a tackle. But in reality, Eric Flowers was a
Speaker 1: was a better guard. Honestly, I think both of you
Speaker 1: guys are saying similar things. Basically, you're saying, I can't
Speaker 1: have two week links, like I can't have center and
Speaker 1: guard be weak. So give me one, give if you can,
Speaker 1: if you can up from the chiefs. Was like, M,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rush, yeah, right, if you can give me
Speaker 1: one of them. If you can fix one of them,
Speaker 1: then the other one becomes negligible. And I've got maybe
Speaker 1: not negligible, but less of a problem. And I've got
Speaker 1: more faith than Tyler to continue to improve and be
Speaker 1: a quality starting center than I have faith in what
Speaker 1: we saw out of the left guard positions. YEA. To
Speaker 1: be honest with you, the only area I had a
Speaker 1: real problem with Tyler beiottish was when he was facing
Speaker 1: the really good, big, strong defensive tackles that were lining
Speaker 1: up right over him and basically just overpowering him. We
Speaker 1: saw it in Week one when he played v toa
Speaker 1: VA like that was just he's not gonna win those
Speaker 1: kinds of matchups. And I don't know if these are
Speaker 1: anything he's gonna do over time. Maybe he figured out
Speaker 1: how to play with more leverage, whatever that might be,
Speaker 1: But how many of those guys are in the league.
Speaker 1: You don't face those every week, So I do think
Speaker 1: that for a guy like Tyler Beidis, you probably can,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better way to put it, hide
Speaker 1: him a little bit more if you have a really
Speaker 1: good guard. And so I would probably enter the draft
Speaker 1: thinking the best guard or center I got available to
Speaker 1: me is probably the guy I'm gonna take, and either one,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to do that. If I can, then you know,
Speaker 1: kind of make do at the other position, which I
Speaker 1: was sorry, But if the best position on offensive line
Speaker 1: is a tackle, you're gonna take that, They're gonna do
Speaker 1: it because, by the way, like you said, he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to play some right now, and he's gonna be
Speaker 1: playing a lot. I can get to you, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go back twenty years or so, twenty five with
Speaker 1: flows l Adams, or I'll go back a few years
Speaker 1: with Lyle Collins. If I can get the tackle that
Speaker 1: can play guard for me right now, then I want
Speaker 1: that guy because then eventually he can slide out the tackle.
Speaker 1: But if he's good enough to play guard right now
Speaker 1: and then eventually the tackle, that's what I want. Who's
Speaker 1: that guy, Dave? In this draft? Probably Trevor Penning at
Speaker 1: least among the like elite guys the problem. I don't
Speaker 1: know how long he lasts. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: gets to you at twenty four. Um, Northern Iowa. Yeah, Um.
Speaker 1: I mean the other guys are our tackles. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean obviously they can do whatever. It won't matter because
Speaker 1: they won't be there. You're probably I mean an A
Speaker 1: and M guy that they say plays Yeah, no, he
Speaker 1: plays four or the five. He doesn't play center. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean if he should be on your short list
Speaker 1: of draft prospects to consider again, he's good, he's no,
Speaker 1: he is a good player. He is a good player,
Speaker 1: and you should be happy to draft him. But he
Speaker 1: I don't. He's not Zach, that's all. I mean. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's that rookie pro bowler, but I
Speaker 1: think going to last sooner. If he was Zach, he
Speaker 1: would be at won. Zach went sixteenth. I mean, guards
Speaker 1: not a valued position, and I get it, but twenty
Speaker 1: four you're probably not gonna get the same quality sixteen. Right, No, never, right,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talking about sixteens where it's kind
Speaker 1: of the whatever, it's kind of that's the cutoff of
Speaker 1: what first round case typically are right around that that
Speaker 1: are Yeah, they're sixteen to eighteen first round grades, but
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna be dead ass wrong. Justin Jefferson was picked
Speaker 1: twenty four, but we know they're except I'm just saying no.
Speaker 1: But I mean Travis Frederick was picked thirty one. You
Speaker 1: can fin I mean this stuff fluctuates all over. There
Speaker 1: are teams that won't take a guard or center. They
Speaker 1: just won't do it. So therefore that's why you get
Speaker 1: good value there. Now, I was asking Rob Phillips, who's
Speaker 1: you know, obviously big Texas A and M fan, and
Speaker 1: he went there, yes, and he just didn't do all this,
Speaker 1: And I was like, what was happening at their pro day?
Speaker 1: I mean, like did they do it like on a pastor?
Speaker 1: I mean, like I don't know, Like Kenyan Green did
Speaker 1: not have a good pro day, Spiller didn't run the well,
Speaker 1: whadenmier ran Like like me, like you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: like it just didn't go. But but those are good
Speaker 1: football players. Yeah, Like I don't care if Kenyan Green
Speaker 1: ran five two, he's not going off for a pass.
Speaker 1: He's a guard. Yeah, yeah, I do care that wider
Speaker 1: Meyer ran ran though those aren't the same. No, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying maybe he should just run it with
Speaker 1: shoes on. I'm like, I don't know what happened. He's
Speaker 1: a good football players. Spiller too, man if Tony, if
Speaker 1: you're getting the second round spillers there. I keep hearing
Speaker 1: people talk about the tight end as you know, a possibility.
Speaker 1: I just don't see that as big of a problem
Speaker 1: as some people do. You what do you guys rate
Speaker 1: that as far as we talk about offensive line, talk
Speaker 1: about receiver. Where does tight end rate for you? Guys?
Speaker 1: In net? Who's your end next year? I'm pretty big need.
Speaker 1: I don't know yet. There we go, Okay, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: draft him next year. That's what I got one this year,
Speaker 1: a position where you know it takes two to three
Speaker 1: years for a guy to be a viable Pauson wouldn't
Speaker 1: caught thirty five passes his rookie year, didn't start all
Speaker 1: the games. He was pretty good. Dalton Schultz had nine
Speaker 1: career catches going into his third season. I get it,
Speaker 1: you're signing up for that on purpose. Now I'm saying,
Speaker 1: in the in the landscape of and this was the
Speaker 1: question in the landscape with the other problems, where does
Speaker 1: it fall? It does not meet the threshold of what
Speaker 1: I what I thought I need on the offensive line
Speaker 1: or at wide receiver. Yeah, but that's not what I said.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know what I'm saying. That was my question.
Speaker 1: There's a hierarchy of needs. I think they need to
Speaker 1: draft a tight end in this class, preferably not with
Speaker 1: one those picks. There isn't a tight end that's worth it,
Speaker 1: but fourth round, right where Dalton Schultz was drafted. One.
Speaker 1: Let's go. One of the big differences between what they
Speaker 1: do and what the fans do and what some media
Speaker 1: do and we do it here is that we're looking
Speaker 1: at how it's gonna look week one this year, and
Speaker 1: they are thinking, we've got to figure this out because
Speaker 1: Schultz is gonna be gone next year or Zeke's gonna
Speaker 1: be gone. You know, they're they're already doing that, so
Speaker 1: they have to draft that way. When we kind of
Speaker 1: look at it from a depth chart standpoint like this
Speaker 1: plugs in here here, I'll worry about next year next
Speaker 1: year and they don't do Are we sure they're not
Speaker 1: going to do a long term bual Schultz? No, we're
Speaker 1: not sure about that, but they're not sure that they are.
Speaker 1: I mean, what did Steven's answer yesterday when you were there.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't bank on it. I mean not saying that
Speaker 1: they won't. I just I don't. It's not like Dak
Speaker 1: where you're like it's getting done. Don't stress out about
Speaker 1: priority for them. We'll see what happens. I don't. It
Speaker 1: depends on what he's willing to settle for what the
Speaker 1: money looks like. He needs to take his game up
Speaker 1: a little more too. He's got good stats. I mean,
Speaker 1: the owners are going to take him because he's getting
Speaker 1: drafted and I mean he's getting I'm sorry, he's getting
Speaker 1: catches and he's getting you know, touchdowns, and but but
Speaker 1: he's got to get above that nine point, you know,
Speaker 1: nine yard average. He's got to be a little bit
Speaker 1: more of dynamic cats the ball, getting up the field
Speaker 1: and do some things. He does it some, but but
Speaker 1: I think he needs to be more that guy, not
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey, but be a poor man's Travis Kelsey. I
Speaker 1: want to go back to what I said about Green
Speaker 1: real quick, because I don't want anybody to misinterpret me.
Speaker 1: He is a good player, and drafting him at twenty
Speaker 1: four would be good. H The reason I gritted my
Speaker 1: teeth is because I think there's a high likelihood that
Speaker 1: a better player will be there, and you that's no
Speaker 1: a better football player. Jamison Williams or Traylan Burkes could
Speaker 1: be sitting there at the question. Derek Stingley could be
Speaker 1: sitting there. Shoot, with all the smoke we're hearing right now,
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton, who people say is one of the best
Speaker 1: safety prospects of the last decade, could slip. Why would help?
Speaker 1: Because his measurables don't match up with what you want
Speaker 1: from a guy that you're taking where people think he's
Speaker 1: going to be taking. His film's fantastic. Give me that,
Speaker 1: I could give me that guy, I don't care. Point.
Speaker 1: The point is there are like eight prospects and and
Speaker 1: and by the way, none of the guys at the
Speaker 1: top of this draft compared to like last year. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know that this ain't that. But there's like eight
Speaker 1: prospects that everyone feels pretty confident are gonna go at
Speaker 1: the top of the draft, and they're mostly tackles and
Speaker 1: edge rushers, offensive defensive tackles, offensive offense. And then after
Speaker 1: that it's a freaking free for all. Like it's all
Speaker 1: beauty in the eye of the Beholder. Derek, Yeah, Derek's
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll happen, Derek. That's very uncommon, Like
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I don't remember a draft like this
Speaker 1: where there aren't court First of all, there aren't any
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to like anchor the top of the draft. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, like everybody's got a different opinion about everything. Um,
Speaker 1: And it's funny because the top ten is like as
Speaker 1: unsexy as it's ever been. But then eleven through forty
Speaker 1: is like, he's good, he's good, he's good, he's good.
Speaker 1: And so and that's why, like it's borderline alarming that
Speaker 1: they haven't signed a guard because I'm like, don't do this, Like,
Speaker 1: don't don't pencil yourself into drafting Kenyan Green because you
Speaker 1: have to when George Karloftis could fall to you at
Speaker 1: twenty four and now that's a that's a guy that
Speaker 1: could start it right end on the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball day one. And we don't have to argue
Speaker 1: about Randy Gregory and Dante Fowler. So yeah, that's it's
Speaker 1: just something to think about. Yeah, we do need to
Speaker 1: take a break, Yes we do. Sorry you're the boss,
Speaker 1: but we do. Yeah, But even though we were talking
Speaker 1: about the draft, when we come back, I do want
Speaker 1: to take it back to free agency. Some of the
Speaker 1: free agent guys are still out there. Mike McCarthy made
Speaker 1: a comment about the Cowboys kind of waiting it out
Speaker 1: and seeing what's going to happen. But time's take in
Speaker 1: and time is running out before the draft gets here.
Speaker 1: So we'll see when we come back after the break
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Speaker 1: say welcome back. Sorry, it's a habit. It's okay, It's okay,
Speaker 1: welcome back guys. So blah blah blah too talked about
Speaker 1: it already. It's episode two. It is episode two that's
Speaker 1: really easy for you, which means number two is also
Speaker 1: going to be a number that probably a lot of
Speaker 1: players will want to get if they haven't already it's two.
Speaker 1: Does two elicit that from players? Like? Does anybody want to?
Speaker 1: I think so? I mean, yeah, I've heard school Helvin
Speaker 1: Joseph told me at Media Day last year, I want
Speaker 1: that deuce. Okay, he was talking about Jersey number. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was talking about Jersey. Otherwise I didn't go get it.
Speaker 1: Whatever he wants it, right, Yeah, Two's cool. I just
Speaker 1: you know, I think of like one and seven too cool.
Speaker 1: Looks cool. I like to. I think it looks good
Speaker 1: on Jersey. Yeah. I think that was my number when
Speaker 1: I hurt myself playing the flag football. Number two. I
Speaker 1: got a Brooks. All right, well, let's talk about free agency.
Speaker 1: What's left the free agency and some of the guys
Speaker 1: that are still available. McCarthy's comment didn't sit well with me,
Speaker 1: to be honest, but um, we don't have to comment
Speaker 1: on that. It's ok. You should stop him the next
Speaker 1: time he's walking through our area and be like we
Speaker 1: talk Wait which one? What did he say that made
Speaker 1: you mad? No? No, no, not mad. It's just annoyed,
Speaker 1: just hearing when you know, oh they're being patient and
Speaker 1: they're way oh yeah, that type of thing. Yeah, type
Speaker 1: of mentality. Um, but uh, well, I guess we'll see
Speaker 1: how he does play out for them. But as far
Speaker 1: as some of the guys that are still available, I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, guys, are there any names that
Speaker 1: you are still thinking as a possibility for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: or maybe uh someone that he might that you guys
Speaker 1: personally would like them to bring, and also comment on
Speaker 1: what happened with the whole Bobby Wagner's situation and why
Speaker 1: it's kind of Stephen Jones kind of closed down the
Speaker 1: door on that. Basically, well, you see, Bobby Wagner's really
Speaker 1: really good at football and commands a salary as such,
Speaker 1: and I think that's I thought it was kind of
Speaker 1: funny the way Steven worded it. He was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I just didn't work out with us, and I was like,
Speaker 1: he signed somewhere already. Literally, I like, I like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're sitting there, You're holding your recorder kind of looking
Speaker 1: at your phone, and like I'm simultaneously like googling, like
Speaker 1: did Bobby Wagner sign? And I miss it? Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I did. And I was like, I was like I
Speaker 1: looked it out and I'm like, Nope, he sure hasn't.
Speaker 1: Steven just knows he ain't bringing his price down to
Speaker 1: whether the Cowboys are willing to pay right. Um, that's all.
Speaker 1: That's it. But we all knew this. I mean when
Speaker 1: he became available, first thing we all do is probably
Speaker 1: like could it be? And then we all thought to ourselves, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not the kind of fru You know what though, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't want to give anybody false hope about Bobby Wagner.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's happening. But that ties back into
Speaker 1: the Mike McCarthy thing about being patient, and he brought
Speaker 1: out he brought up Andy Dalton as an example of
Speaker 1: like this stuff evolves, Like even now, the market is
Speaker 1: still going to evolve. Andy Dalton signed in Dallas after
Speaker 1: the draft once he had seen like who still needs
Speaker 1: a quarterback? Because that changed during the draft. Other stuff
Speaker 1: will change, like they might wait to do some of this. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. The wide receiver market is a
Speaker 1: little more intriguing than I thought it was. Like, there
Speaker 1: are still some interesting names out there. Um, I mean
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry again, not a guy that's not a guy
Speaker 1: that's probably gonna sign here, but would love him too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry. Um, I'm not I promise I'm not just
Speaker 1: naming LSU guys. But Odell is still out there as well. Well,
Speaker 1: he's coming up that does not do anything, doesn't do
Speaker 1: a anything for the Cowboys because they already have an
Speaker 1: acluy um. But is this the look as we're talking
Speaker 1: about that name pops up. Yeah, don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But is this the right kind of approach to have
Speaker 1: at this point and after last season? And also could
Speaker 1: this be something that you do see some of those
Speaker 1: names kind of their prices start dropping and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: do grab them. That's the thing I always say of
Speaker 1: like like, no, I don't I don't necessarily agree with
Speaker 1: it especially and so what I was gonna say is
Speaker 1: like the garden tackle market looks even it looks pretty
Speaker 1: die or not to not to be a naysayer, but
Speaker 1: like Eric Flowers, Eric Flowers and Trey Turner are probably
Speaker 1: the most interesting names. And then everybody else is somebody
Speaker 1: that you associate with not being very good. Uh, Billy Price,
Speaker 1: Quentin Spain, who was part of the Bengals line that
Speaker 1: tried to get Joe Burrow killed. Um, if Dwayne Brown's
Speaker 1: Dwayne Brown is still out there. There are yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean there are a few. Um No, I can't say
Speaker 1: I love it because, like, I mean, you're right, they're
Speaker 1: literally just like, well, if you're still out there, you
Speaker 1: can sit out there and maybe maybe you'll readjust your
Speaker 1: expectations the longer you go unemployed. Like that's that's what's
Speaker 1: happening here in my opinion, and I've always said that, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think they need to be spending the silly
Speaker 1: money on the first two days of free agency, but
Speaker 1: there's more they could be doing. And going back to
Speaker 1: the to what we were talking about at the top
Speaker 1: of the show, they still have money and they're gonna
Speaker 1: get more. Yeah, Like they can handle the draft class
Speaker 1: with the money they get from Lyle in two months.
Speaker 1: There's more they could have done with it. And in
Speaker 1: a couple of cases it looks like almost too little,
Speaker 1: too late at this point, which sucks. I think if we,
Speaker 1: I mean actually broke down on a sheet of paper
Speaker 1: of like the money that they're saving with all the
Speaker 1: guys that they got, I mean, I don't think they
Speaker 1: I mean I don't mean to bring this back up,
Speaker 1: but I don't think they could have done all of that,
Speaker 1: and that's just the approach that they took. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you add it all up, all the guys, Curse
Speaker 1: and everybody just you know, and it's hard to It's
Speaker 1: hard for us to do it because the way it's structured.
Speaker 1: We can keep saying fourteen million for Randy, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be fourteen million the first year that
Speaker 1: that wasn't how they had it structured. So I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not you can't even say that. You can't even
Speaker 1: say that they stayed fourteen this year because that he
Speaker 1: probably was going to count like seven or eight and
Speaker 1: then it just balloons out. So it's hard to do that.
Speaker 1: But um, you know the issue that I have. You
Speaker 1: look at some of the names that are out there,
Speaker 1: you know, big name like you know, Tyrn Matthew. I
Speaker 1: don't think they'll do that at safety or Jadavian Clowney
Speaker 1: or Stefana Gilmore. But it's like they've got players that
Speaker 1: they don't they don't want those guys to be progress
Speaker 1: stoppers as well. I don't think Bobby Wagner is going
Speaker 1: to stop anyone's progress, So that's one I could see it.
Speaker 1: But like they probably look at a guy like Patrick
Speaker 1: Peterson or Gilmore to say, all right, he comes in
Speaker 1: here and then does what, like what just Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 1: play this ghost to not play if we get a
Speaker 1: v you know. And that's the funny. That's we said
Speaker 1: that last week. I don't I haven't spent a minute
Speaker 1: thinking about free agent DBS. I haven't even thought about
Speaker 1: it because I mean, they brought back, brought back two
Speaker 1: important ones, and I think their corner depth chart is
Speaker 1: in great shape. Regardless of what some people think about
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown. Um, it's the other ones I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know what Will Hernandez signed for, and I don't
Speaker 1: even know if Will Hernandez is good, but he's still
Speaker 1: I mean, he was the thirty fourth overall pick in
Speaker 1: the same draft as Connor Williams. They liked him coming out,
Speaker 1: and he started sixty games in the NFL. Uh. That's
Speaker 1: the type of guy that I would have liked to
Speaker 1: have seen them bring in. That's the type of guy
Speaker 1: they get. That is the type of guy they get.
Speaker 1: That's what That's why I like, really, I'm zero I'm
Speaker 1: zeroed in on the offensive line and I'm just like this,
Speaker 1: you're not done here and you're kind of acting like
Speaker 1: you are. Ye. Well, but I'd be honestly, I'd be
Speaker 1: shocked if they don't add some free agent offensive line
Speaker 1: before the draft, Actually be shocked they'll do that. I
Speaker 1: would be surprised too. But that goes back to my point,
Speaker 1: like it's getting the pickens are getting slim, and to
Speaker 1: bring it back again, this could also be a situation
Speaker 1: where after the draft some things change. Maybe somebody drafts
Speaker 1: to tackle in the first round and cut a guy
Speaker 1: that's hanging out on the back end. I mean, you
Speaker 1: got to keep all that stuff in mind. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: also if they do add to someone from the old line,
Speaker 1: it makes me wonder. I'm like, Okay, are you at
Speaker 1: that point adding a body to add a body to
Speaker 1: kind of back yourself up before getting into draft, or
Speaker 1: are you actually adding a body that has good experience
Speaker 1: that will actually be able to contribute on the field.
Speaker 1: I think the longer you wait, the more prevalent that
Speaker 1: question becomes. Like the slimmer the Pickens get among the
Speaker 1: free agents, you're like not to throw guys that have
Speaker 1: been here under the bus, but like the cam Flimmings
Speaker 1: and the cam Irvings, of the world where you're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it means a body you've played. But it's what you said,
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers. He's had a lot of experience, So bring
Speaker 1: him in. Let's just see what I think. I may
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Maybe I'm just defending here.
Speaker 1: I think Eric flowers resume is, especially since he moved
Speaker 1: to guard, like I'm pulling him up right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: so bad as a tackler is so bad. He's started smart.
Speaker 1: That is just kind of getting that out of your
Speaker 1: mind that he's not a tackle anymore. He's started a
Speaker 1: hundred games in the league and he's primarily been he
Speaker 1: was a guard for the last like three years, and
Speaker 1: he's started every game. He's been healthy for three straight years.
Speaker 1: Not saying he's good and not saying he's good, but
Speaker 1: he started. That is an improvement over the options that
Speaker 1: they have here behind their top guys. And in the
Speaker 1: case of the left guard, that's the thing that's that
Speaker 1: is way better than what they have at left guard
Speaker 1: right now. Ye. And that's also but that's the point
Speaker 1: that I think needs to be made, is that's the
Speaker 1: kind of signing I think they're going to make, is
Speaker 1: somebody that's a veteran, may not be the greatest player,
Speaker 1: but he gives him insurance in the event that can't
Speaker 1: draft the guy that they want at the time that
Speaker 1: they want to draft him, he may not be there,
Speaker 1: or they don't want to be pigeonhole because something falls
Speaker 1: to them where they like, this other guy's just a
Speaker 1: much better player out of position we really don't need,
Speaker 1: but we want to take advantage of it. That's why
Speaker 1: they'll make that kind I just need I need them
Speaker 1: to be in a situation where they say, yeah, it
Speaker 1: would be nice to draft Green, but Jamison Williams is
Speaker 1: We've got a whole half round grade better on him,
Speaker 1: and Flowers can do it for a year, and we'll
Speaker 1: revisit this in the spring. And that's the remote. That's
Speaker 1: how they do do it. Cowboys have four fifth round picks.
Speaker 1: I would love if they in they don't have a
Speaker 1: seventh rounder, so draft draft somebody in the fifth and
Speaker 1: draft another one in the fifth to kind of make
Speaker 1: up for your seventh that you don't have. But I
Speaker 1: don't want them drafting four guys in the fifth round.
Speaker 1: I think that is a round where you can trade
Speaker 1: your pick and get some kind of player in return.
Speaker 1: And that's what I think could happen. You get offensive line,
Speaker 1: you get a line, you get a guard that's like in,
Speaker 1: we already took a guard and he's in tract year.
Speaker 1: He's probably not going to come back next year. And
Speaker 1: you might actually get a pretty good player, pretty decent player.
Speaker 1: I mean you think about shoot Austin, Amari Cooper fetched
Speaker 1: a fifth. We could get some great players with that.
Speaker 1: Good here you go. He's also a twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: time you got Tavon Austin. I mean, I mean he
Speaker 1: he was good at certain things. You know, Um, he
Speaker 1: was a good part the spin the spin on that
Speaker 1: the he's good at some things. He was good. He
Speaker 1: wasn't great, but he was a speedy punt returner and
Speaker 1: he made some plays. Yeah, No, I would like I
Speaker 1: would I was alarming at times, was alarming. I would love.
Speaker 1: I would love to see them do that type of
Speaker 1: stuff more even easy, every easy, everybody. It's not bring
Speaker 1: too much to this. He was a scary put return
Speaker 1: he really absolutely was. Yeah, and I still wish on
Speaker 1: that was at Minnesota game where he called fair catch
Speaker 1: and they said he shouldn't have called it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's a game in the time that I've
Speaker 1: covered this team that pisses me off more than that games. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Dak was just dealing and they would not let him
Speaker 1: win the game. They just were terrified of letting the
Speaker 1: quarterback win the game. They ran it and yeah. Yeah, anyway, well,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the draft and talk about some
Speaker 1: we've been talking about the O line. We've talked well,
Speaker 1: they talked also about the past rusher situation. That's the
Speaker 1: priority and all that. But looking at what happened last
Speaker 1: in last year's draft, I believe it was eight out
Speaker 1: of their eleven picks that they win with defense of
Speaker 1: defensive player and they really back that whole area that
Speaker 1: side of the ball very well. Now is this the
Speaker 1: year that maybe they could possibly do the same with
Speaker 1: all the picks that they have bought on the other
Speaker 1: side of the ball and really reinforce the offense. Maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys just been talking about it there.
Speaker 1: You know, you want to get a tight end, you
Speaker 1: want to get a wide receiver, you want to get
Speaker 1: offensive line help. They could turn us into just an
Speaker 1: offensive draft and go heavy offense. Right, No, I love
Speaker 1: that idea. Just because no, because I still think I mean,
Speaker 1: linebackers not deep and corner corner looks good now, but
Speaker 1: like Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis may not be here
Speaker 1: for you know, too much longer, safety, the press pressure.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's more of a split year.
Speaker 1: I think this is this is like, I mean, take
Speaker 1: good players and at the end of the day, it'll
Speaker 1: probably be a five four split or maybe six three,
Speaker 1: but it'd be kind of split. They blew me, wasn't
Speaker 1: it nine two? It was semi yeah, semi ball And no, no,
Speaker 1: it was eight to three. You're right it, yeah, Farniac,
Speaker 1: it was eight to three year. But they blew me
Speaker 1: away when they did that, because that's just not the
Speaker 1: way draft classes usually work. Like what are the odds
Speaker 1: that a defender is your highest grade every time you
Speaker 1: come up on the clock, or an or an offensive
Speaker 1: player for that matter. So I leaned toward thinking no,
Speaker 1: but I do, I do think an emphasis needs to
Speaker 1: be placed. Yeah, I if you've even and if you
Speaker 1: draft seven guys, you know, if you get rid of
Speaker 1: a couple of those late picks, two offensive linemen, probably
Speaker 1: a good idea a receiver, a tight end. I mean
Speaker 1: that's four right there. Yeah, maybe a day. I think
Speaker 1: this team would be very smart to draft a running
Speaker 1: back on day three. M So yeah, I yeah, I
Speaker 1: bet you there will be more offensive players drafted than defensive.
Speaker 1: But I do still think they'll even it out. Not
Speaker 1: Jerome bettest big, but I need I need a big
Speaker 1: running back. I mean a bigger guy. Rashad White, what
Speaker 1: team Arizona State? Okay, I like him a thing. Just
Speaker 1: give me a runner that can he's big guy. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not. I'm not talking about a slow
Speaker 1: guy here. I don't No. No, when I think you run,
Speaker 1: I mean they can run the ball like I don't
Speaker 1: care if he's big little, I don't care. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: can he play football well? And I think I think
Speaker 1: he can. Yeah. Because the reason why I say that
Speaker 1: is I think, you know, Tony Pollard could come back
Speaker 1: next year, and then I think you want kind of
Speaker 1: a complimentary type guy to him, and so that's that's
Speaker 1: what I'm looking for. I mean, don't have to get
Speaker 1: both Scarborough in here, but like somebody that's, you know,
Speaker 1: relatively big, that that's not a scatback type player, more
Speaker 1: of a more of a three down runner that you're
Speaker 1: sure you're gonna get Pollar back. No, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: about that. I'm not sure about anything with running back.
Speaker 1: Zeke might be here for the next ten years. I
Speaker 1: don't know. But that's also why I think I just
Speaker 1: get me a running back that can play like. I
Speaker 1: don't try to match up because I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen necessarily, you know, as you start moving
Speaker 1: down these next couple of years that you're running, just
Speaker 1: want the three down running back that that start not
Speaker 1: And I don't want another Tony Pollard type right now.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're not valuable. I'm saying I don't
Speaker 1: need to figuring out how to get Tony Pollard to
Speaker 1: the ball is it was a chore in itself. So
Speaker 1: I just another guy that can run the ball. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be your preseason hero. He's gonna get three hundred
Speaker 1: rushing yards in the preseason. He's gonna look great. That's
Speaker 1: the guy I want. Do you think Tony Pollers a
Speaker 1: three down back? Yeah? I do too. What's three downs, second, third,
Speaker 1: and fourth? Special teams? No, I don't, not really, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think I wouldn't want Tone
Speaker 1: Pollard to take the type of workload that Zeke takes,
Speaker 1: but probably in this day and age, nobody should, right
Speaker 1: I think most don't. Most don't, most teams don't. Tony
Speaker 1: could probably stand to improve on his pass pro but
Speaker 1: also just run him out on a route and if
Speaker 1: you think you're going to get decked there he is.
Speaker 1: You know, h yeah, I think he could do it
Speaker 1: for sure. He's not. Again, we don't need to have
Speaker 1: this debate right now. But like Zeke brings value in
Speaker 1: that regard, just is it enough to offset the explosiveness
Speaker 1: that you're not getting. Was Darren Sproles a three down back?
Speaker 1: I don't think he ever was, but man, he killed
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at times and he was so valuable in
Speaker 1: his own way, and so so I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's necessarily a bad thing. I'm not saying he's I
Speaker 1: don't think he should be a three down back, but
Speaker 1: I think they can figure out ways to get him
Speaker 1: the ball more and be a little bit more dynamic
Speaker 1: running back. It is not a problem for me right now.
Speaker 1: And you know, running back that comes in here is
Speaker 1: gonna be good if you don't fix this old line
Speaker 1: right now. So they better focus on that first and
Speaker 1: then we'll see what falls down the line in those
Speaker 1: later rounds. We're gonna take our final break when we
Speaker 1: come back. I do want to talk about the new
Speaker 1: rule that the NFL approved the owner's meetings, which is
Speaker 1: the overtime rule in the playoffs. So we'll discuss that
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Speaker 1: You guys's opinion on this new rule that the they approved,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, it would only happen in playoffs.
Speaker 1: And I thought that Stephen Jones quote was actually pretty
Speaker 1: interesting because I never actually thought of this stad but
Speaker 1: he basically said that every team and the team that
Speaker 1: wins the toss is ten and two in the playoffs
Speaker 1: as far as wins, So pretty interesting data. Ten and
Speaker 1: two with seven of the ten wins coming on the
Speaker 1: first possession of the game since twenty Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty compelling information right there. Yeah. So I've heard different
Speaker 1: kinds of opinions. People that hate this rule and don't
Speaker 1: think it's very good, some others that are kind of
Speaker 1: okay with it. So what are y'all thought on it.
Speaker 1: I don't mind the rule. I don't. Here's why I
Speaker 1: don't like. I don't like one game changing it. And
Speaker 1: I feel like that's sort of what happened because then
Speaker 1: in the FC Championship game the week later, it didn't
Speaker 1: really affect it. My biggest issue is that I just
Speaker 1: hate rules for playoffs but not regular season. I've seen
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in twenty eleven, twelve, and thirteen play week
Speaker 1: seventeen with the game on the line, the season on
Speaker 1: the line, when did vision or you go home? That
Speaker 1: game sounds like a playoff game to me, And then
Speaker 1: you're telling me that it's different because of you know, now,
Speaker 1: the overtime is different because it's not a playoff game.
Speaker 1: If I don't win this game, I'm going fishing tomorrow,
Speaker 1: So it's matters. I mean, I don't just don't understand.
Speaker 1: It's all about TV ratings and are not ratings. It's
Speaker 1: TV time slots and making sure that games don't overlap
Speaker 1: and go too far. But I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's not new though. I mean, hockey changes the
Speaker 1: overtime rule in the playoffs. If you wouldn't know, if
Speaker 1: you're tied after overtime. In hockey, you go to a
Speaker 1: shootout and the winner gets more points than the loot
Speaker 1: like I think the loser winds up getting a point
Speaker 1: for getting to a shootout, and the winner gets an
Speaker 1: extra point. And then in overtime or in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: you just play overtime until somebody wins. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a terrible example. Why because they play eighty two hockey games.
Speaker 1: If you haven't figured it out in the regular season,
Speaker 1: then you're not good enough to go in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But in sixteen or seventeen games. I think the regular
Speaker 1: season matters more in the NFL than any other sport.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think that I wouldn't change the rule.
Speaker 1: So I think NFL games in December are like almost
Speaker 1: like playoff games, and they shouldn't. You shouldn't change the
Speaker 1: rule for I don't. I don't. I don't care about it.
Speaker 1: I don't. I just you have the whole game, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you still have a chance to stop the guy.
Speaker 1: And I mean for the for that, I don't think
Speaker 1: the rule needed to be changed. I mean the way
Speaker 1: that it's the way that the league is so passed happy.
Speaker 1: It's it's nice to give the other team a chance.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like Pat Mahomes is going to go
Speaker 1: down and score, Josh Allen probably would have to. Um,
Speaker 1: I disagree, though, Like I love that the league saw
Speaker 1: a concrete example and was like, this might be broken,
Speaker 1: maybe we should fix it. How long did we have
Speaker 1: to wait for them to change the des rule after
Speaker 1: the Dez game? Where like I was thinking about that
Speaker 1: yesterday talking to Stephen the Bills Chiefs game happens, and
Speaker 1: then like two months later, everybody's like, this has to
Speaker 1: be fixed. Well, this has been a conversation for a
Speaker 1: few it has, but I just like it felt like
Speaker 1: for like, for for a while after the Cowboy Packer game,
Speaker 1: everybody was like shut up cow Boys, Like we get it,
Speaker 1: you're upset about the catch rule. Nobody cares, And then
Speaker 1: it finally got changed. After that, I thought it was
Speaker 1: nice to see the league like identify a problem and
Speaker 1: do something about it. Um, I don't know, I don't care,
Speaker 1: Like how often has this How often has it come
Speaker 1: up where this? I guess it's ten times since twenty ten,
Speaker 1: so like every other postseason. I don't know. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of weak. You day. I never really I
Speaker 1: wasn't as upset as everybody else in the rule. Like
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, you get yeah, I get it,
Speaker 1: And I thought the current rule does give you a
Speaker 1: chance to make sure that, like you can't lose on
Speaker 1: a field goal, So if you let him go all
Speaker 1: the way down the field and score a touchdown, you
Speaker 1: had a chance to stop him. You didn't, and you
Speaker 1: lost the game. Like I just wasn't. I wasn't as
Speaker 1: as as crazy about this one as everybody else. They
Speaker 1: didn't need it to be changed, but I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not mad about more drama like that. That game. That
Speaker 1: game is as much fun as I've had watching football
Speaker 1: in a long time. And if you had told me
Speaker 1: Josh Allen would have gotten the ball back, I'm okay
Speaker 1: with that. I'd love to watch him try to tie
Speaker 1: that game. So that's fine, especially how this postseason win
Speaker 1: last year. I mean a lot of crazy games, but
Speaker 1: they all came down to like those like like last quarter,
Speaker 1: those last few minutes where you'd actually got intense and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, what's gonna happen? And after playing three
Speaker 1: whole quarters of nonsense, basically terrible football, I guess What
Speaker 1: I'm saying too, is like, and I don't know this yet,
Speaker 1: but does the strategy change? You know? Do you do
Speaker 1: you want the ball second? Now? I think you do, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know what, you may know what you need
Speaker 1: to do. It's kind of like college, right. And also
Speaker 1: if you stop them, you know you're getting the ball,
Speaker 1: so might as well stop them, and maybe you punt
Speaker 1: and you get the ball at midfield and all you
Speaker 1: need at that point is a field goal. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what my point is. I don't think football
Speaker 1: strategy should change in week eighteen of the season and
Speaker 1: then the next week it changes. It completely changes, because
Speaker 1: now you're in the playoffs and you're not. Even though
Speaker 1: I've been, you know, it was a winner, go home mentality.
Speaker 1: And saying with baseball, which I don't really watch that too,
Speaker 1: I mean, why why is there two extra umpires in
Speaker 1: the outfield just for the playoff games? If it's neat
Speaker 1: and then do it, then do it. That's kind of
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking. So you wouldn't you would take the
Speaker 1: ball second? Now? I would take the ball second, just
Speaker 1: like college. Yeah, you can't lose on an offensive score. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would take take the wind if it's a if
Speaker 1: it's a need, yeah, I mean if I mean, if
Speaker 1: that's if that's a factor. Sure, wind, I mean I
Speaker 1: thought it was a factor again in New England. I
Speaker 1: thought New England won the toss and the Cowboys played
Speaker 1: that game the way the wind was, I was like,
Speaker 1: this works out good. I remember telling Dave and Rob that.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is actually a good thing, because
Speaker 1: you know, it was Mac Jones gonna get another miracle
Speaker 1: type play and score touchdown. Probably not, They're gonna punt
Speaker 1: into the wind. Cowboys are gonna get it and go
Speaker 1: get a field goal or touchdown. And so that was
Speaker 1: a case where yeah, weather, weather always is a factor
Speaker 1: up there. It seems like my hopes for this season
Speaker 1: were so high at that game and just like as
Speaker 1: good as I've ever felt about a Cowboy and what
Speaker 1: But then it was like nothing, this is this is great,
Speaker 1: Like nothing is wrong with the world, even it's raining
Speaker 1: on this and this is this is great, that this
Speaker 1: Cowboys team is really good. Why is that glimping? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's kind of grimacing there. That look good. Yeah he'll
Speaker 1: be fine, that was the thing. Oh, he'll be fine.
Speaker 1: They'd be fine. They're good and and you know he
Speaker 1: was healthy after that. But it did it changed? Well,
Speaker 1: everything changed, Like I still don't know how did that
Speaker 1: affect it? Did the chemistry go away because he was
Speaker 1: out for a week. Actually, I don't think that I
Speaker 1: felt better about the team than next week when they
Speaker 1: beat the Vikings with Cooper rush, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now this team we're rolling out they can't if they
Speaker 1: can win with Cooper rushing the inn, they yeah, they're ready.
Speaker 1: That's to bring it, which we're running out of time.
Speaker 1: But that's this is these are the things I think
Speaker 1: about where I'm just like that they wound up being disappointing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're not better than they were then now and
Speaker 1: they probably won't be. I'm just gonna go out on
Speaker 1: a limb and say they probably won't be. And that's
Speaker 1: a tough pill to swallow. Well, to wrap up the
Speaker 1: show and wrap up some of the things are summer right,
Speaker 1: some of the things that we talked about, which as
Speaker 1: far as like needs and all that. If the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had to play a game tonight and you had a
Speaker 1: choice to rain for reinforce three positions, only three, why
Speaker 1: would those three position positions be I could just get
Speaker 1: better than what we've got right now? How draft pick?
Speaker 1: I mean, like, can I call Randy, like, hey, can
Speaker 1: you do us a solid one week for one night?
Speaker 1: Easy question. This is a really easy question, guys. We've
Speaker 1: already said it. It's center, it's guard's wide receiver, like
Speaker 1: those you're right now, those are positions you need help with. Left, guard,
Speaker 1: wide receiver, defensive end more than center. Yeah, Like, if
Speaker 1: this is the hypothetical, I'm don't like these defensive ends.
Speaker 1: Like you don't think that that he just think that's comparable.
Speaker 1: I think I don't. I think Randy is like I
Speaker 1: think to be given being given a little bit too
Speaker 1: much credit here center him, I have a problem with
Speaker 1: center as much. And that that's really what it comes
Speaker 1: down to. See, that's not here I been. If it
Speaker 1: was the fourth position, you might say center might but
Speaker 1: that's okay. I mean, that's that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 1: Like I noticed that when we were talking earlier. It's
Speaker 1: just and and you know, and I said it, if
Speaker 1: he gets if he can continue to get better, I
Speaker 1: just not I'm not seeing as much but guard. For me,
Speaker 1: it'd be guards, center, and um a linebacker. You guys,
Speaker 1: if we were playing a game at night, you guys
Speaker 1: feel like wide receiver's fun, I said, receiver. Okay, I'm sorry, Nick,
Speaker 1: I terrified of this receiver corpus. It's especially for playing
Speaker 1: to night. Yeah, like receivers number one one can can
Speaker 1: gallop stiff arm with crutches. Who stiff arm? Then, yes,
Speaker 1: that's how my last boy scout pull out. While Washington
Speaker 1: you got Seze Lamb, you got Noel Brown. Okay, receiver, yeah, receiver, guard, center, Okay,
Speaker 1: figure it out, figured it out, you can do it.
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's part of this thing. It really is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really is. Yeah, they thought he figured it out
Speaker 1: last year, and they're gonna let him figure and I
Speaker 1: trust him to figure it out, like what he did
Speaker 1: with his defense, what you did with his defense goal.
Speaker 1: Oh that's actually going yeah, Actually, let's take the center,
Speaker 1: Let's take the center out and let's go with the guard.
Speaker 1: Let's go with the kicker, and let's go with the
Speaker 1: wide receiver. We're we're having we're joking right now, and
Speaker 1: it's it's not even April yet, so I get it.
Speaker 1: But there's they are putting a lot of pressure on
Speaker 1: their personnel. Department. The way that this is, well, it
Speaker 1: hasn't worked, and it's at some point it starts being
Speaker 1: unfair in my opinion, where you're like, man, you guys
Speaker 1: do such a great job. Do it again. Man, you
Speaker 1: guys did a great job. Again. You guys, do it
Speaker 1: again again. We don't want to pay. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: when you say hasn't worked, are you saying, like the
Speaker 1: fans say they haven't had another trophy? You know they Okay,
Speaker 1: you're right, I'm just asking like, what what do you
Speaker 1: mean hasn't they have? Well, I'm actually I'll take the
Speaker 1: words right out of Will mcclay's mouth. It's like it's
Speaker 1: not good enough because we're not accomplishing our goals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and they are again even more like I like,
Speaker 1: you can't you can't put everything on the super Bowl
Speaker 1: because there's so much randomness that goes into that. But like,
Speaker 1: barring a minor miracle, I don't think they're gonna be
Speaker 1: a better team than they were last year. And that's
Speaker 1: what it's about. And I know you got to worry
Speaker 1: about like the next three years, the next four years.
Speaker 1: I think it's still reasonable to expect them to be
Speaker 1: trying to take a step forward in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: and I don't feel like they're doing that. I could
Speaker 1: be wrong, that's my opinion. Yeah, mainly because they lost
Speaker 1: Amari and Randy. I just replaced that level. And it's
Speaker 1: it's you can take the names out of it, Like
Speaker 1: the production and talent that they've lost is more than
Speaker 1: what they've added in. And I don't think I don't
Speaker 1: think nine draft picks is enough to replenish that right away.
Speaker 1: You know, the last two drafts have been about as
Speaker 1: much as you could ask for, and you got like
Speaker 1: one immediate impact player per class win both of those.
Speaker 1: And and that goes back to my point, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you found CD, you found Mica. Everybody's human. This thing
Speaker 1: is really really hard, Like they're you're gonna slip at
Speaker 1: some point. Probably they drafted Taco, they'll probably do it again.
Speaker 1: And that's not a knock on Will and his guys.
Speaker 1: That's just the reality of the draft. And so it's
Speaker 1: just it puts a lot of pressure on him. You
Speaker 1: tend to realize so much on like, oh, well McClay,
Speaker 1: he's so great at his job, but Taco to Taco,
Speaker 1: Charlton and the other players that you know, you're you're
Speaker 1: not always gonna get them really really hard to consistently
Speaker 1: get them right. Being great at that job probably means
Speaker 1: you hit fifty percent in time, Like this is not
Speaker 1: a high percentage type thing to be great at at
Speaker 1: drafting players like you. Nobody drafts one hundred percent. Like
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna hit on every draft pick. So that's that's
Speaker 1: that's the nature of just that job in general. Like
Speaker 1: you to miss, there's absolutely you gonna miss. It's just
Speaker 1: a part of it. And that's like I said, by
Speaker 1: and by and large, I think their strategy is right
Speaker 1: in general, but he can't count so much on that
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and they refuse to agree with me
Speaker 1: about I think though honestly, like like if this was
Speaker 1: a football game, I think we're in the We're still
Speaker 1: in the first quarter of how this gang is going
Speaker 1: to go, because I think we sit here in Oxnard,
Speaker 1: if we're all there, and hopefully we all are and
Speaker 1: in Oxnard in a week looking good. Yeah, like like
Speaker 1: a week into Oxnard, I'd like to I'd like to see,
Speaker 1: like is this team you think it's it's better because
Speaker 1: of all the stuff that's happened draftwise, they got more
Speaker 1: free agency guys to sign, cut trade whatever. Now we'll
Speaker 1: look at we've seen it for about a week. Now,
Speaker 1: what do we really think Because this team won games
Speaker 1: without d Law and Randy, they won games. They figured
Speaker 1: out on defense without Amari, We'll see. I mean that
Speaker 1: that's that's a question. Seed's gonna have to take that
Speaker 1: that leap. He's got to be that guy. And if
Speaker 1: he is is and then some of the other guys
Speaker 1: can help, then then they might have a chance there.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say that they've taken a step
Speaker 1: backet because I just still think we're way too early
Speaker 1: in the game. But looking at it now, they haven't
Speaker 1: replaced it yet, so you have to say that. And
Speaker 1: that's another reference that did upset me from Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: was like, we haven't gotten to the fourth quarter just yet.
Speaker 1: In free agent. I'm like, oh my god, Well, it
Speaker 1: doesn't always work out for y'all in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: But whoa, you're not wrong. It doesn't. They struggle so
Speaker 1: much first, second, and third that whatever happened in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarters doesn't. Wow, that's a hell of an analogy, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So there's two ways to look at it. Yeah all right,
Speaker 1: well Derek, I'll let you do the honors. Thank you
Speaker 1: guys for joining us. We'll see you later. Bless wow wow, Okay,
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