WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Better or Worse? 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:07.480 The following Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:17.960 and the Dallas Cowboys Football clubs. Let go. Are you 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:22.119 ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:26.479 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:30.800 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:40.760 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hey, guys, 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:45.120 welcome back to the break. Um, I have Nick, Dave 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.800 and then here's me. But we'll wait. We're still waiting 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.920 on Derek. He will well, he's supposed to come over 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.160 here in a little bit. So well, when you're a 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.960 vice president, you know, stuff happens. You got into the 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.760 intro quickly and not a whole lot a rigamar roll. 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.520 I like it. I'm ready for it. Episode Nope, no, 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.800 so too. Okay. Used to be Greg's airline, but it 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.440 isn't anymore and it won't be. Well, wait, way to go, 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.240 that's true. Let's move on. We're in here. Let's go. 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.440 We're in here. Well, a lot has happened since the 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.160 last time we did the show. We have Steven Jones, 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.960 who has talked. We have Jerry Jones. Also, Mike McCarthy 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.160 spoke to the media. So a lot of things have happened, 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.680 owner's meeting, Dave, you just came back from the trip, 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.560 So a lot of different subjects, but I wanted to 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.800 start off with real quick because I am fed up 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.440 with the subject and I'm ready to move on. No, 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.440 it's nothing major, Okay, Brandy Gregory, Amari Cooper. This is 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.000 the first time we kind of hear comments from them. Yeah, 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.040 so just wanted to ask you, guys, is there anything 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.520 else that we should talk about in regards to that 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.120 whole situation or are we finally ready to kind of 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.040 move on from that at least until the season starts. Okay, 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.720 I'm glad you said that, because that's I think that's 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.480 what it is. Is these the lines have been drawn 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:07.280 between the two sides of this argument, and yeah, talking 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.720 to everybody in the Cowboys front office, I mean that's 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.120 the line. The spin if you, if you're a more 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.959 pessimist excited person, the spin is that the Cowboys took 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.280 the savings from those two players and invested it in 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.760 a bunch of other guys. And I think the counter 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.639 to that is, yeah, but who are they as good 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.480 as the guys that you lost? And there to your point, 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.280 it's almost not worth arguing about until we start playing 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.840 games and we'll have we'll have some some bodies of 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.360 work to compare it to. I can't wait. I can't 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.919 wait to see how Randy and Amari do with their 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:41.760 new teams and to see how that stacks up with 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.560 what the Cowboys do. Yeah, let me ask you this, Nick, 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:50.160 going back to what Dave just said and about you know, 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.240 the price and what you got for and all that 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.120 the players, the amount of players that you got. Jerry 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.639 Jones guy criticized a lot on social media by a 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.720 lot of people by saying a comment like that. You 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:02.760 were one who kind of mentioned it, and you got 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:06.240 on Twitter and you got criticized two about kind of 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.840 the two options. You know, this was the player that 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.120 you were gonna get versus well, now you got all 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.520 these other players. Yeah, and I didn't get criticized by everybody. 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.040 There's a lot of people that that thought that was 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.200 that was a good plan. I mean basically what I 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.760 said is they took this money from Randy and they 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.160 basically got four guys. They got four guys that that 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.840 that they signed for cheaper. In this particular case, I 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.880 liked that one better. I liked it better because I thought, 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.600 I think Dorin's Armstrong and Fowler. I'd rather have those 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.560 two guys than to have Randy, because I don't think 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.880 Randy is as dynamic as everyone says. And I'd rather 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:40.800 have the two guys. You're gonna get a little bit 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.800 more production out of it, plus Layton plus James Washington, 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.600 two players that are there were high draft picks that 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:49.760 you hope maybe can turn it around. So I take 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.280 those four over one. Not in every case, but in 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.480 this case. Yes. And that's how the Cowboys for an 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.440 Office feels too. And that yeah. Jerry's direct quote was 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.240 we got three top players with the savings, and the 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.440 response on social media was like, looking for these players, 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.760 which three are we talking about here? Yeah? Darn curse 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.760 from last year. I mean, that's that's another thing I 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:13.880 can't remember. Everyone was like, Hi, Derek, Hi, Sorry, how 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.320 are you? I'm good? Good, let's good to included here. 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.280 We're talking about Amari Cooper and Randy Gregory. The comments 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.560 that were made, We're kind of ready to move on 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.599 from that subject, but wanted to see if there is 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:29.200 anything else that you maybe want to comment on. Get 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.560 off your chest before we put a pause on that. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.520 I'm kind of torn on this one because on the 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:39.599 one hand, I get the idea that Randy, although Randy 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.880 was a promising player, and I've said this on this 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.120 show before, you look at his numbers in his production 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.360 year over year, and the fact that he hasn't completed 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.960 a single season in his career, like, there are lots 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.360 of things that make you say it still was a projection. 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.200 You still were hoping at some point that Randy would 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.840 become a premier pass rusher in this league. He has 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.839 not done that yet. But at the same time, I 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.240 hear the comments about the what we got three players, 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.720 four players, whatever, I don't know, it seems a little 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.720 hollow to me, just because the way I look at 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.159 it is, I think everybody here I'm talking about everybody 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.599 in this building wanted to sign Randy. It wasn't like 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:18.799 they were making the decision We're gonna pass on Randy 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.200 to go get these three or four guys. They wanted Randy. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.680 It just didn't work out. So the consolation prize was 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.400 you get these three or four guys. So from that standpoint, 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.039 I think that's right. I just don't think that's how 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.080 it's being said right now, and I take a little 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.480 bit of like, I take a little different opinion on that. 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.480 That was just the consolation. You can get three or 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:40.200 four guys. But I think everybody wanted Randy, as everybody's admitted. Okay, 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.920 But here's the thing, and I say this every year 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:44.960 I say about building your team, I thought, I think 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.039 the Patriots do it very well about the one to 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.800 fifty three having good depth all across the board. If 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:56.240 you keep Randy and if you keep Amari Cooper, okay, 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.360 what does the rest of your roster look like? Like, like, 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.880 are you and are you okay with that? It's not 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.800 a James Washington, It's not a Dante Fowler, Dorn's Armstrong, 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.520 it's not it's Bradley and I like, who's not I 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:09.760 don't even know if he's in the league. Got a 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:14.200 place for the Jets? Okay? Okay? Uh close? Um. So 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:15.920 I'm just saying, so if you do all that, like 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.080 who who are the guys so they're getting? Are you 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.000 fine with that? If you? Well, my question is, are 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.360 we sure that if you got Randy, you couldn't get 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.440 Don's Armstrong or you couldn't get James Washington or you 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:32.599 couldn't get Drance No, Fowler and Washington could be here, friend, 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.719 okay here. So so if you got Fowler and you 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.080 had Randy Gregory and you had d Law and you 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.840 had James Washington, is that is that? I think that's 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.520 pretty good. Who's blocking on the offensive line? I mean, like, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.640 well we still got that problem right now. That hasn't changed, 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.200 I'm saying. So, I mean, it's a whole scope. It's 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.040 like it's a you're getting these two guys and you're 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:54.680 keeping them. But I mean, are you want to be 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.880 I'm sorry, I'll say it. You want to be Washington forever? 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.279 You just want to be these get these top front 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.480 line guys, and then you have Arena league players at 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.240 the bottom. I mean, but that's what I'm saying. I 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.760 don't I don't think that that's necessarily how it has 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.320 to work because as we just said, Gott but Dan, 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.880 let's not act like Darran's Armstrong is some like that's 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.040 not the difference maker here. Like if you're getting if 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.240 you're getting Dante Fowler and you're getting Randy Gregory, I 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.880 think that is better than getting Dante Fowler. Fowler and 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.960 and um and Doran's Armstrong. I don't think you're getting 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:25.560 I don't think you're gonna get that. I don't think 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.760 you'd get both guys. You wouldn't try to get both guys. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.840 And Fowler's deals worth like three million dollars. That's that's 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:35.440 the point, is that how many how many like skinny 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.760 pass rushers do you need? I mean, how many how 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.120 many guys do you do you need? Like that? You're 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.360 not going to get another Dante Fowler. I mean, Randy 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.080 Gregory got you seventeen tackles last year. Okay, so how's 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:46.880 but let's say let's say we back away from that. 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.040 Let's say that Let's say you've got let's say you 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.320 got don Let's say you get Randy Gregory. Let's say 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.840 they got Randy Gregory, and let's say that their third 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.600 guy was going to be Gholston, Like, do you not 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.920 think Gholston can be Doran's armstrong? Yeah? Okay, So so 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.840 your defensive defensive ends now they look pretty good? Right? Okay, 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:09.320 So okay, what are you arguing? I understand, like, guess 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.800 what I'm mark. You get Randy Gregory and you get 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.680 Amari Cooper, Then what else. Yeah, I think what what 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.400 I'm arguing is, it sounds like what you're saying is 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.240 if if you got Randy Gregory, then you can't get 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.680 all these other pieces. You're basically stuck with Bradley and 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.520 I And I don't think that's necessarily the case. What 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.520 they do? I think you could. I think you they 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:28.920 still had money. I mean, they got rid of Amark Cooper, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:30.880 but they still had money. Okay, so they still could 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.840 have had Layton vander Esh, they still could have had 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.000 James Washington, like, they still could have done a lot 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:36.880 of the things they've already done if they would have 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:42.240 signed Randy Gregory. Right, No, allright, I mean okay, but 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.040 well I mean argue with then. I mean, they still 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:46.760 have cap space right now. So what do you think 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.680 they're doing? Then? I have no clue. I don't honestly, 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.679 like I think they got all this money. They just 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.560 kept it because they want to know. I think, I mean, 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.400 they know they are there. They want the long term 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.720 health of their cap to be good. But that doesn't 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.920 help me in twenty twenty two. Doesn't make the team anybody? 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.000 And aren't they still getting ten million in June from 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:08.400 from le Yeah? So that'll take care of your draft picks. Right. So, 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.400 all I'm saying is, and we've seen this throughout the league, 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.720 the people you want to keep, right, you can keep Like, 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.480 there's a way to do it. There's there was even 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.160 talk out there, which I don't know if this is 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:21.760 true or not, but there was talk out there that 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.760 there was a possibility they could have redone Amari's deal 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:28.120 and maybe Amari would have been open to it, and 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:29.480 they could have done it in a way to where 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.439 it would have been a lot less of a hit 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.240 on their cap, still saving them a ton of money. Right, So, 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.480 all I'm saying is there was a way to do it. Yeah, 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.040 they could definitely have kept them, right, they didn't want to. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.040 They didn't want to keep it. That's at the point. 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.000 They didn't want to it. So it's not it's not 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.120 about the cap, I don't think, And it's not about 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.079 the money. I think they can make the money work. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.480 I think Yeah. I think it's more about who do 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.360 they want to not want And that's a whole different conversation. Well, 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:55.839 I really thought this was gonna be something. Yeah, You're like, oh, 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:57.800 we're gonna touch on this briefly and move on to 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.079 something else quickly. But one thing we know is what 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.880 they do have currently. That's what it is. We can 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.680 talk about different scenarios, but this is the reality of 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.920 what they currently have. So I wanted to ask you 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.800 guys about what are some other priorities on the team 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.920 position wise? Stephen Jerry. They've talked about the old line. 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.360 We know what's there. They need guard, they need to tackle. 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.600 We also heard about the kicker. You know, they want 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.880 to add a veteran guy that could come in. They 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.800 did want to assign Greg Serlin back, but he ended 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.880 up going with the Jets. So what they look like 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:36.480 right now? What is another position that you guys think 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:40.480 of as a priority in high need, Whether it's mainly 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.600 I'll say mainly free agency right now before we head 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.520 into the draft. I mean in free agency, they need 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.720 a kicker. They're not shy about saying that. They I 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.240 think they need to do something about their offensive line again, 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.880 just to cover themselves. I don't think they'll bring in 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.760 another receiver, but I think this team desperately needs one, 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.080 and like and like I said, I would be I 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:04.600 don't know. I think i'd be surprised to see them 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:05.839 bring in a vetter and I don't know if there's 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.079 anybody left that is really worth the money, but they 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.120 need one in the top one hundred. I mean, Stephen 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.960 Jones said yesterday they're optimistic about Michael Gallop, but they 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.320 have to prepare for the very real possibility that he 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.600 misses as much as like two or three games first 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.440 month of the season. Basically, what does that leave you 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.160 with if he's not available right now? It would be 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.839 Semi Fihoko and guys that were on the practice squad 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.920 last year as guys that would have to play like 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.560 meaningful snaps for you. So, yeah, they got to do 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.920 something about that offensive line for sure. I mean, you 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.120 gotta get oh line, you gotta get a you know, 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.520 it sounds like even a tackle is in play here, 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.080 like a swing tackle type guy should be. Yeah, because 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:49.880 he's gonna have to start for you a few games. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:56.400 And you know that. So offensive tackle, U center, guard, 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:00.000 I mean, you know, once again, they're they're they're probably 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.800 them at center is not the same that I would 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:04.880 have at center. I mean I'd have a bigger problem 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:07.400 at that position than they do. Well, you're saying you 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.360 would you would evaluate that as a bigger problem than 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.800 they do. I have evaluated that as a bigger problem, 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.000 and we talked about it a lot, and you know, 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.440 they want to see this out and I'll and I'll 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.080 say this, I would have been shocked if you would 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.000 have told me a year ago that Terrence Steele would 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.080 end up playing enough to pretty much not lie all 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.040 columns out of a job. I would be like, no way. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.520 So I disagree with that decision, though, I mean like solve, No, 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.800 I don't disagree with with the decision. So I'm saying 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.079 I was wrong about that. They stuck with them, They've 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.280 developed them, and they think the same thing's going to happen, 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.480 to be honest, and you know what if that's the case. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.880 I mean, I'm just I'm not saying when you look 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:45.560 at how the priority on other positions like guard or 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.280 even swing tackle, I think that's where the issue comes. 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.520 It's like who do you put first? Like you you're 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.079 not giving that much attention to center when you have 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.120 all these other positions that are a lot higher as 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.560 far as need. I'll keep saying it like I'm not 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.360 trying to convince anybody that Tyler is Travis Frederick. But 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.320 it's not this five alarm fire that I think a 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.040 lot of people think it is to me because if 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.680 they upgrade the left guard, if Tyler Beotist is playing 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.800 between two badasses instead of him and Connor Williams forming 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.840 a weak link of substantial size, I think I think 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.760 it could be fine. Again, probably not an all pro, 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.920 but like I if right now, especially shockingly, they haven't 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.400 done anything. They have not brought in a veteran who 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:36.080 can play right now, And so you're saying, what would 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.280 I rather come out of the draft with a badass 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.000 left guard or a better center? I need the guard. 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.839 I don't want to start Connor McGovern again. We did that. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.000 I don't know, thank you. So you'd rather just have 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:51.240 center with a first round guard probably then a first 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.959 round center and then whatever you're stuck with a guard? Yes, yeah, 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.880 And I get. I mean that gets into a fun 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.600 draft conversation because I think Tyler Lindenball, the center out 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.600 of Iowa, is a better player than a guard that 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.760 you would get in the first round. But they don't 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.120 have anything. And that's why I think they're crazy if 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.360 they go into this draft without signing a guard, and 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.160 they're honestly, they're running out of options. I mean, we 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.319 joked last week. It feels like a month ago already. 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.200 But Will Hernandez is off the market now, Ethan Posuk 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.640 is off the market now. Eric Flowers is still there. 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.440 But like the name, the list of names is dwindling 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:30.040 in terms of are you though, like, Okay, I hate 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:31.560 that this is coming out of my mouth, but Eric 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.760 Flowers has started a lot of football games, Like I 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.560 would at least like to have somebody in here who 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.160 it's like, well, he's played NFL football. Eric Flowers, to me, 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.880 is very similar to those other guys that have played 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.840 over the years that you drafted high because you like 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:47.920 them and you have to you have to make them 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.680 a tackle. But in reality, Leonard Davis was a guard 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.000 and he was a bust in Arizona. But he was 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.480 a guard and he was an all pro. Robert Gallery 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.400 from the Raiders, same thing. He goes to guard. You 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.640 draft them because they're big and they're strong. In their 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.240 second round, I mean, first round, you gotta gotta gotta 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.320 be a tackle. But in reality, Eric Flowers was a 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.360 was a better guard. Honestly, I think both of you 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.320 guys are saying similar things. Basically, you're saying, I can't 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.280 have two week links, like I can't have center and 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.760 guard be weak. So give me one, give if you can, 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:19.760 if you can up from the chiefs. Was like, M, 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.280 I'm gonna rush, yeah, right, if you can give me 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.200 one of them. If you can fix one of them, 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.000 then the other one becomes negligible. And I've got maybe 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.440 not negligible, but less of a problem. And I've got 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.840 more faith than Tyler to continue to improve and be 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.000 a quality starting center than I have faith in what 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:36.960 we saw out of the left guard positions. YEA. To 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:38.800 be honest with you, the only area I had a 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.000 real problem with Tyler beiottish was when he was facing 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:46.480 the really good, big, strong defensive tackles that were lining 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.520 up right over him and basically just overpowering him. We 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.160 saw it in Week one when he played v toa 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.960 VA like that was just he's not gonna win those 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:55.400 kinds of matchups. And I don't know if these are 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.840 anything he's gonna do over time. Maybe he figured out 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.880 how to play with more leverage, whatever that might be, 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.800 But how many of those guys are in the league. 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.400 You don't face those every week, So I do think 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.840 that for a guy like Tyler Beidis, you probably can, 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.440 for lack of a better way to put it, hide 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.520 him a little bit more if you have a really 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.200 good guard. And so I would probably enter the draft 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.960 thinking the best guard or center I got available to 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.440 me is probably the guy I'm gonna take, and either one, 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.600 I'm willing to do that. If I can, then you know, 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.400 kind of make do at the other position, which I 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:29.280 was sorry, But if the best position on offensive line 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.240 is a tackle, you're gonna take that, They're gonna do 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.360 it because, by the way, like you said, he's gonna 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.960 have to play some right now, and he's gonna be 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:37.840 playing a lot. I can get to you, and I'm 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.560 gonna go back twenty years or so, twenty five with 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:42.960 flows l Adams, or I'll go back a few years 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.040 with Lyle Collins. If I can get the tackle that 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.880 can play guard for me right now, then I want 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.200 that guy because then eventually he can slide out the tackle. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:53.960 But if he's good enough to play guard right now 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.680 and then eventually the tackle, that's what I want. Who's 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.840 that guy, Dave? In this draft? Probably Trevor Penning at 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.280 least among the like elite guys the problem. I don't 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:04.560 know how long he lasts. I don't know if he 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:08.480 gets to you at twenty four. Um, Northern Iowa. Yeah, Um. 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.080 I mean the other guys are our tackles. Well, I 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.480 mean obviously they can do whatever. It won't matter because 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:15.200 they won't be there. You're probably I mean an A 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.159 and M guy that they say plays Yeah, no, he 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.240 plays four or the five. He doesn't play center. Yes, 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.359 I mean if he should be on your short list 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:31.159 of draft prospects to consider again, he's good, he's no, 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.879 he is a good player. He is a good player, 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.320 and you should be happy to draft him. But he 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.520 I don't. He's not Zach, that's all. I mean. I 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.440 don't know if he's that rookie pro bowler, but I 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.600 think going to last sooner. If he was Zach, he 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.159 would be at won. Zach went sixteenth. I mean, guards 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.320 not a valued position, and I get it, but twenty 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:53.320 four you're probably not gonna get the same quality sixteen. Right, No, never, right, 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.760 I don't want to talking about sixteens where it's kind 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:57.600 of the whatever, it's kind of that's the cutoff of 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.159 what first round case typically are right around that that 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.600 are Yeah, they're sixteen to eighteen first round grades, but 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.920 somebody's gonna be dead ass wrong. Justin Jefferson was picked 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.119 twenty four, but we know they're except I'm just saying no. 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.480 But I mean Travis Frederick was picked thirty one. You 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.680 can fin I mean this stuff fluctuates all over. There 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.800 are teams that won't take a guard or center. They 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:17.960 just won't do it. So therefore that's why you get 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.159 good value there. Now, I was asking Rob Phillips, who's 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.600 you know, obviously big Texas A and M fan, and 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:28.240 he went there, yes, and he just didn't do all this, 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.960 And I was like, what was happening at their pro day? 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.879 I mean, like did they do it like on a pastor? 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.400 I mean, like I don't know, Like Kenyan Green did 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.040 not have a good pro day, Spiller didn't run the well, 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:43.960 whadenmier ran Like like me, like you know, I mean, 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.320 like it just didn't go. But but those are good 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.080 football players. Yeah, Like I don't care if Kenyan Green 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:52.240 ran five two, he's not going off for a pass. 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.960 He's a guard. Yeah, yeah, I do care that wider 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.119 Meyer ran ran though those aren't the same. No, That's 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.480 what I'm saying maybe he should just run it with 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.240 shoes on. I'm like, I don't know what happened. He's 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.560 a good football players. Spiller too, man if Tony, if 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.920 you're getting the second round spillers there. I keep hearing 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.560 people talk about the tight end as you know, a possibility. 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:14.840 I just don't see that as big of a problem 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:16.679 as some people do. You what do you guys rate 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:18.399 that as far as we talk about offensive line, talk 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.560 about receiver. Where does tight end rate for you? Guys? 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.760