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Speaker 3: Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: Governor Jos Shapiro is here. I loved your theme of
Speaker 5: freedom last night. And you know, one question that I've
Speaker 5: been asking everyone in light of the Supreme Court's recent
Speaker 5: ruling is the fact we know so many Republican officials
Speaker 5: refuse to start a fight the results of the election.
Speaker 5: Do you believe our democracy is healthy enough to have
Speaker 5: a free and fair election come November?
Speaker 6: I do, cause look, last time we had a free
Speaker 6: and fair, safe and secure election in Pennsylvania and elsewhere,
Speaker 6: and our Court's health. The judges, when it was up
Speaker 6: to them, did do the right thing. But make no mistake,
Speaker 6: there are serious threats out there. It's one of the
Speaker 6: reasons why nine months ago, as a governor of Pennsylvania,
Speaker 6: which I think everyboy gery is kind of the ultimate
Speaker 6: swing state here. We put together an election protection task
Speaker 6: Force led by my Secretary of the Kamwal, who oversees
Speaker 6: elections importantly a Republican because I think the administration of
Speaker 6: elections is non partisan. Obviously, parties and exercise decide who
Speaker 6: you want to be for. But we want everyone in
Speaker 6: Pennsylvania to know that their ballot can be cast, their
Speaker 6: ballot will be counted. And I don't care what Donald
Speaker 6: Trump does to try and throw out a vote. We'll
Speaker 6: be ready to go to court.
Speaker 4: To protect it.
Speaker 3: And I can I say, I'm going to ask you.
Speaker 4: You can say whatever you want anything.
Speaker 2: It is a night of celebration, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you the truth. I'm gonna take you into our
Speaker 2: text messages. Don't be mad, Lenart. We were both surprised
Speaker 2: that you were not selected as the VP.
Speaker 4: I was disappointed.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that next. And I want to
Speaker 2: know what it takes emotionally to get past that. When
Speaker 2: you know you're qualified, when you know your friends are qualified,
Speaker 2: to when your standard shoulder started with them, and you
Speaker 2: know you got to carry on in the fight. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how do you move past something like that. I mean,
Speaker 2: we are a little biased as we got to sit
Speaker 2: with you. I remember interviewing you. I was like, he
Speaker 2: has it. There's like an it factor. Andrew has the
Speaker 2: it factor running for governor of Florida like a hell
Speaker 2: of a RaSE.
Speaker 4: And he's not done.
Speaker 3: If I got anything to do with it.
Speaker 2: But but yes, I just want to know what it
Speaker 2: takes for you to move past that.
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I hope you saw me that
Speaker 6: Tuesday night in Philly when Kamala Harrison Tim Maul's came out.
Speaker 6: I think I made clear that I'm all in for them,
Speaker 6: and I hope I also made clear that I'm more
Speaker 6: than at peace with this. And let me explain I
Speaker 6: said during that process, which I was really humbled and
Speaker 6: honored to be a part of, that this was, at
Speaker 6: the end of the day, a deeply personal decision for
Speaker 6: the Vice president. I'll tell you what was also a
Speaker 6: deeply personal decision for me. And you got to make
Speaker 6: sure that you're in the right situation, ultimately most importantly
Speaker 6: for her, she's the boss, but also making sure that
Speaker 6: you're in the best position where you can serve, where
Speaker 6: you can chart your course, where you can have an
Speaker 6: impact on people every day, and at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, I think she made an outstanding picking Tim
Speaker 6: Walls dollar. He's gonna serve her well in that role
Speaker 6: and I look forward to continue to do everything I
Speaker 6: can as governor of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5: It's a compliment to you, though, because people were saying, like,
Speaker 5: he's not a number two, he's a number one.
Speaker 4: So he let me so speaking.
Speaker 3: To number one because that was my follow up.
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of messy talk about when Kamala
Speaker 2: Harrison Tim Wallas win in twenty twenty four that what
Speaker 2: would prevent you from challenging them in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 3: Would you say, like I would come and do that.
Speaker 6: Listen, now I play that game, They're gonna win. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna do everything I can help, and I'm gonna do
Speaker 6: everything I can help make sure they win again.
Speaker 3: So I love that.
Speaker 2: But putting the noise the rest, I think is mission critical.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Governor.
Speaker 1: I'm curious well because I was trying to think, what
Speaker 1: was the last time that we had a broker convention
Speaker 1: at the DNC, So I was wonder where that speculation
Speaker 1: would come from.
Speaker 3: But governor.
Speaker 1: The question I want to ask, I know that you
Speaker 1: enjoy being governor of Pennsylvania and or dedicated.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry said three weeks ago. What was three weeks ago?
Speaker 3: Joe Biden stepped in.
Speaker 1: Oh, sorry, my bad, I'm governor. I know you enjoyed
Speaker 1: being a governor. You've been clear that you enjoy being
Speaker 1: governor of Pennsylvania. However, there is a speculation about what
Speaker 1: role you might take when Kamala Harris and Tim Wallas
Speaker 1: when the White House.
Speaker 3: Should you join her administration?
Speaker 1: I'm curious what your advice to her would be when
Speaker 1: it comes to what we're seeing happening in Israel and Gaza.
Speaker 6: Let me be clear, I love being governor Pennsylvania. I'm
Speaker 6: going to continue to be Governor of Pennsylvania, period, hard
Speaker 6: styles and this sentence full stop. If you're asking me
Speaker 6: about Israel, I'm happy to give you my thoughts on that,
Speaker 6: but ultimately that policy is going to be set by
Speaker 6: the Harris Walls administration with whoever she has hopefully negotiating
Speaker 6: a peace in the Middle East. Look, I'll just share
Speaker 6: with my views because I think a lot of this.
Speaker 6: You know, people like to project onto other people what
Speaker 6: they think.
Speaker 4: Here's what I know.
Speaker 6: On October seventh, a terrorist group Hamas, by the way,
Speaker 6: designated terrorist group by the United States of America, stormed
Speaker 6: into a sovereign nation, killed people at a music festival,
Speaker 6: killed people in their homes, ripped away babies and families,
Speaker 6: over two hundred of them, and took them a hostage.
Speaker 6: Back in Gaza, there were Americans taken hostage as well.
Speaker 6: The world should be unified in their outrage about that,
Speaker 6: and my heart breaks for what happened in Israel over
Speaker 6: the ensuing months. My heart also breaks for the death
Speaker 6: and destruction that we are seeing in Gaza every single day.
Speaker 6: Those babies in Gaza, they don't deserve to die, but
Speaker 6: yet we are here in this situation of warfare that
Speaker 6: is claiming far too many innocent lives. What needs to
Speaker 6: happen is a return of the hostages, and then what
Speaker 6: needs to happen is an end of the violence. And
Speaker 6: then what my hope has been four years long before
Speaker 6: October seventh, is that we can renew meaningful conversations to
Speaker 6: have a two state solution Palestinians and Israelis living peacefully
Speaker 6: side by side. Now, listen, all of what I just said,
Speaker 6: there's some nuance in that.
Speaker 4: I get that.
Speaker 6: Here's where there can be absolutely no nuance when it
Speaker 6: comes to all of us joining forces and condemning anti Semitism,
Speaker 6: condemning Islamophobia, condemning all forms of hatred and bigotry that
Speaker 6: should unify us as Americans be against that hatred and bigotry.
Speaker 6: And that is where I stand. I'm someone who's hopeful
Speaker 6: for peace, and the quickest way we can get toward
Speaker 6: a lasting conversation on peace is by being tolerant of
Speaker 6: one another, getting these hostages home and ending the violence.
Speaker 1: Definitely want to get the hostages home, for sure, I
Speaker 1: think everyone agrees on that. But given the over forty
Speaker 1: thousand many children included in that number of civilian lives
Speaker 1: that have been casualties.
Speaker 4: Of distribe, acknowledge is yeah, pain.
Speaker 1: What I'm curious what you might say to the people
Speaker 1: outside protesting who want to support this administration and they're
Speaker 1: just they want their humanity scene. What would your message
Speaker 1: to them be tonight?
Speaker 6: I would say, you not only have a First Amendment
Speaker 6: right to protest, one that as the Attorney General of
Speaker 6: Pennsylvania is the governor of Pennsylvania. I stand up and
Speaker 6: protect every day. I'd say that, you know, I think
Speaker 6: I understand your pain.
Speaker 4: I think I understand your pain.
Speaker 6: It's hard to fully understand someone's pain until you've walked
Speaker 6: in their shoes. But I have met with so many
Speaker 6: Muslim Americans, Palestinian Christians, people in Pennsylvania who have family
Speaker 6: in God's.
Speaker 4: I've heard their pain.
Speaker 6: I've absorbed that, and my heart breaks for them as
Speaker 6: it breaks for the Israelis that lost loved ones on
Speaker 6: October seventh and can continue to have loved ones held
Speaker 6: captive by this terrorist organization.
Speaker 4: This is horrible on every level.
Speaker 6: And if there's people outside peacefully protesting to make sure
Speaker 6: that powerful people inside this building here, that's their right
Speaker 6: to do.
Speaker 4: And it's good that they're out there doing that.
Speaker 6: As I've always said, you got to write to protest,
Speaker 6: you got to follow the rules, whatever the rules are
Speaker 6: that the mayor of Chicago or whatever set up, and
Speaker 6: it's got to be peaceful and then you can make
Speaker 6: sure your voice is heard.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you about Pennsylvania Governor. You know,
Speaker 5: Donald Trump's support among white working class voters without a
Speaker 5: college degree has shrunk significantly, not just in Pennsylvan, Michigan
Speaker 5: and Wisconsin as well. That group typically favorous Republicans, but
Speaker 5: they're now starting to back the vice president.
Speaker 4: Why do you think that is?
Speaker 6: You know, I'll just look obviously you cite all the polling,
Speaker 6: and basically we got kind of a tide race right now.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, Charlie.
Speaker 6: And anecdotally, when I'm out in these rural areas, I
Speaker 6: go there a lot foks kind of siddle up to
Speaker 6: me and they go, hey, what do you really think
Speaker 6: of her?
Speaker 4: What's her deal?
Speaker 6: What I'm trying to express you is there's like a curiosity, well,
Speaker 6: what's she really like?
Speaker 4: What's she going to be like? You know her?
Speaker 6: I take that as a really positive and hopeful sign
Speaker 6: that they're kind of open to considering her candidates. And
Speaker 6: that's a really really important thing, Andrew. You know that
Speaker 6: feel from when you're running and you kind of got
Speaker 6: somebody who maybe you think wouldn't take a look at you,
Speaker 6: but they are. That's when you know you're kind of
Speaker 6: onto something. And that's what I'm feeling out in the commandity.
Speaker 7: And that's I actually wanted to ask your advice, and
Speaker 7: I'm sure you're giving it to the campaign as a governor.
Speaker 7: I completely understand your hesitance on going wanted to go
Speaker 7: anywhere because it's such a powerful and important and responsible
Speaker 7: place to try to change, heal and mend the lives
Speaker 7: of the people for whom you've been elected to serve.
Speaker 4: You're doing that.
Speaker 7: I called you as the VP pick, not in any
Speaker 7: recent time, but the night I heard your acceptance speech
Speaker 7: once you won the race for governor, I was listening
Speaker 7: on television and I was like, Dad, dudes, got it.
Speaker 7: I was like, whatever it is, he's got it, Governor.
Speaker 7: I'm not going to take for granted in any way,
Speaker 7: shape or form that there are people out here who
Speaker 7: can't see a woman, let alone a black woman, as
Speaker 7: their command in chief. And I sometimes wonder how this
Speaker 7: conversation goes down amongst men when it's just men and
Speaker 7: you're trying to communicate to them in a way that
Speaker 7: is not politically correct, but is at the source of
Speaker 7: your heart and the source of.
Speaker 4: What it is that you believe.
Speaker 7: And I wonder what advice might you give to this campaign,
Speaker 7: the broader campaign, and us as individuals and individual listeners
Speaker 7: around how folks might go about that conversation, How might
Speaker 7: they go about that conversation amongst other men and what
Speaker 7: that might be, and not saying all men are the same.
Speaker 7: So there's a lot of qualifiers there. But I hope
Speaker 7: you get my point.
Speaker 6: No, I do, And I think it is really really
Speaker 6: important that people can vouch for the vice president who
Speaker 6: have had an opportunity to work with her, people who
Speaker 6: have had the opportunity to get to know her. Certainly
Speaker 6: I'm one of those people, and there are others. When
Speaker 6: you want to talk about whatever, just the guys sitting
Speaker 6: around having the conversation. It might be hard for Kamala
Speaker 6: Harris to be part of that conversation, but if I
Speaker 6: can be there, I can tell it. Hey, guys, listen,
Speaker 6: she's tough as nails. Yeah, she knows what she's doing.
Speaker 6: She is prepared to lead, and I've seen her do
Speaker 6: the job. I've seen her be tough and know what's
Speaker 6: at stake and how to make sure that she holds
Speaker 6: someone accountable or whatever the situation is. I think that
Speaker 6: those people who know her best vouching for her in
Speaker 6: those communities are going to be really really important.
Speaker 7: But I hope people take that as instruction because however
Speaker 7: taboo it may seem and sound. That's a barrier we
Speaker 7: have to get over in communities all across this country,
Speaker 7: and I hope folks will take note.
Speaker 2: And speaking of barriers, I just want to before you answer,
Speaker 2: a Governor, we've been joined by a history breaker, a
Speaker 2: history maker herself, big first black woman Speaker of the
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania House, and I know an ally of Governor Shapiro,
Speaker 2: so we wanted to make sure we had a little
Speaker 2: time to overlap with you both.
Speaker 6: Man Speaker Joanna McClinton, if you've not heard that name before,
Speaker 6: you're going to hear it again and again and again.
Speaker 6: She is the history making Speaker of the Pennsylvania House
Speaker 6: of Representatives for the first time. The Democrats are in
Speaker 6: the majority for about a dozen years, and look at
Speaker 6: who they picked to lead them.
Speaker 4: That is a big deal.
Speaker 6: She is awesome and as you said, a great ally
Speaker 6: of mine and I have hers. And we're doing big
Speaker 6: things in Pennsylvania, invest in record amounts in public education,
Speaker 6: public safety, economic opportunity, protecting our fundamental freedoms.
Speaker 4: It's big time stuff for getting done in Pennsylvania, in.
Speaker 6: The only divided legislature in the whole country. And Minister
Speaker 6: McClinton on Sundays.
Speaker 8: Appreciate women and ginger. What can I help you with,
Speaker 8: Governor Bishop, you were preaching out there last night.
Speaker 6: I need whatever you drink after church on Sunday.
Speaker 7: Well, there's no better introduction, ma'am speaker.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 7: Absolutely tell us how you did it. What's been the
Speaker 7: labor to get to this point is as I've heard
Speaker 7: in the commercial, my overnight success has been years in
Speaker 7: the making. Absolutely, and that's probably the story you could tell.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 8: So growing up, I was not one seeing myself running
Speaker 8: anything in government. I grew up with role models like
Speaker 8: Matt Locke and Claire Huxtables.
Speaker 4: Sir, I was going to law school.
Speaker 8: I was going to law thwenty seven. I mean I
Speaker 8: was in the eighties. These were my role models. No
Speaker 8: lawyers in my family. And once I got all the
Speaker 8: way through school, I ended up working as a public
Speaker 8: defender for almost a decade, doing that work in court
Speaker 8: with people who are in the worst circumstances of their lives,
Speaker 8: both struggling with poverty and also accused of serious things about.
Speaker 3: To lose liberty. It was there that I found my.
Speaker 8: Voice, and then finding my voice, I saw that there
Speaker 8: was a lot of injustices, just in the law, mandatory minimums,
Speaker 8: I mean, so many things that didn't make sense. And
Speaker 8: when I would ask my colleagues and our appellate lawyer
Speaker 8: down at the Philly PDS, I'm like, what's this all about?
Speaker 3: They're like Harrisburg.
Speaker 8: I'm like, well, where is Harrisburg.
Speaker 3: I'll live in Philly.
Speaker 8: I'm not one to get to the state Capitol ever,
Speaker 8: And I left the Public Defenders, got a job working
Speaker 8: for my state senator, was his chief council for a
Speaker 8: few years, and for nine years just right now, I
Speaker 8: have been serving my neighbors in west and southwest Philly
Speaker 8: and Delaware County as state rep. And for the last
Speaker 8: four years I have been in leadership in Harrisburg. And
Speaker 8: it's when we flipped the House in twenty twenty two
Speaker 8: that I went from the minority leader to the speaker.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 4: Can I and it can? I just jump in real quickly.
Speaker 6: I want you to understand what it means to have
Speaker 6: Joanna Mclinton as the leader. She mentioned that she was
Speaker 6: a public defender forever in a day. Pennsylvania was one
Speaker 6: of only two states in the whole nation that did
Speaker 6: not fund public defenders at the state level. Joanna McClinton
Speaker 6: is speaker for a hot second, and we got rid
Speaker 6: of that bad distinction.
Speaker 4: We now helped fund our public defenders.
Speaker 6: Right, it matters who you brock compositions of leadership.
Speaker 5: Talk about it, governorship, bro your speech got under Trump's skin.
Speaker 5: Right last night he called you an overrated Jewish governor.
Speaker 4: So what offended?
Speaker 5: I'm calling you overrated anti semitazy?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think my poll numbers right twenty points
Speaker 4: bearing his drop them.
Speaker 2: Is literally the definition of say less, ye say less check.
Speaker 6: Check Yeah, I'll say serious thing like I don't get
Speaker 6: upset when he criticized me.
Speaker 8: I don't.
Speaker 6: Honestly, I don't get too high when people say nice
Speaker 6: things too low and people say bad things. Here's what
Speaker 6: pisses me off, though, when he engages.
Speaker 4: In these anti Semitic tropes, when.
Speaker 6: He pushes hatred and bigotry into our political discourse. It
Speaker 6: makes other people around here feel less safe, makes them
Speaker 6: feel like they don't belong and it infects us. And listen,
Speaker 6: I got four kids. I try and raise them to
Speaker 6: be good people. You try and raise them to be
Speaker 6: the kind of people that you'd want in the leader
Speaker 6: of this nation.
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris is.
Speaker 6: That kind of person you know, no matter what you
Speaker 6: look like, where you come from, who you love, who
Speaker 6: you pray to, you belong here. She believes that. I
Speaker 6: believe that Donald Trump doesn't believe that. And that is
Speaker 6: what's upsetting to me, not that he calls me a
Speaker 6: bad namer, engages in attacks on me.
Speaker 4: It's how it makes other.
Speaker 7: People feel and the license it gives to people like
Speaker 7: him to then do the same thing.
Speaker 4: You would think you would.
Speaker 5: Learn his lesson because he's already created an environment of
Speaker 5: political violence. That's clearly you haven't been safe for him,
Speaker 5: So you don't think nobody.
Speaker 3: Say that that's a really good point.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I do have one more question for Governor
Speaker 2: We okay, with this staff, we keep getting cussed.
Speaker 4: Out by mercy.
Speaker 5: Okay, what do you say to people I've been seeing
Speaker 5: the right say this a lot. Democrats talk like they
Speaker 5: don't have the White House now, they talk like they
Speaker 5: haven't had to White House twelve with the last sixteen years.
Speaker 5: How come Democrats don't speak like they are in the
Speaker 5: driver's seat.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure I'd look at it that way, but
Speaker 6: I think what we have now as a result of
Speaker 6: what occurred over the last thirty is days or so,
Speaker 6: we got a change agent in Kamala Harris. We got
Speaker 6: someone who now gets to lay out a different vision,
Speaker 6: a different path forward. And so of course she's going
Speaker 6: to take up the mantle of change. We already know
Speaker 6: what the hell Donald Trump's going to do. He did
Speaker 6: it for four years, and you know what he did
Speaker 6: more chaos, less jobs, and a whole lot less freedom
Speaker 6: when he was in charge. He wants to do the
Speaker 6: same thing. So like he's not the change agent Kamala
Speaker 6: Harris is. And so maybe that's sort of what folks
Speaker 6: are reacting to.
Speaker 7: Well, Governor, you're being gracious with your staff. I was
Speaker 7: going to say anytime, we always say we don't always
Speaker 7: have six seats.
Speaker 4: But we at least got four.
Speaker 7: Where you want to come and join Native Lampi, we'll
Speaker 7: you know, lookome you on as guest hosts any day
Speaker 7: of the week when you're not to watch baruk Obama.
Speaker 6: Y'all, I'm not sure where that came from you, because
Speaker 6: in my lifetime.
Speaker 3: You definitely sound like him sometimes. Yeah, but you.
Speaker 7: Know he got he got his sound from some places too,
Speaker 7: so we're allowed to.
Speaker 3: Joanna Joyna said he was preaching. They both sound like
Speaker 3: we need an organ.
Speaker 4: All we need is an organ.
Speaker 3: Starts.
Speaker 8: But the fans have to have comments.
Speaker 4: Let's have both of y'all before y'all go, who had
Speaker 4: the best speach.
Speaker 3: Of the week that we had the best beach of
Speaker 3: the week.
Speaker 6: Come on, it's like a choose between my kids. I
Speaker 6: think Michelle, come on.
Speaker 7: Easily, Madam Speaker and Governor. The debate has been ship.
Speaker 4: She had been the closestold be she can close every night.
Speaker 8: She can close every night, Michell and closed and Governor.
Speaker 8: I have nothing in front of me. But it's like
Speaker 8: you took my talk points. But see they defer to
Speaker 8: the state rep. We'll come back to you. I was
Speaker 8: on the floor taking self several feet away.
Speaker 7: Well, the message from that is become governor.
Speaker 4: You know you have term limits and stuff.
Speaker 6: Just saying, mark my word, I believe that.
Speaker 3: So grateful for both of you all for.
Speaker 2: Joining us tonight night celebrate it's your night, and they
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