WEBVTT - DNC Shorts: Gov. Josh Shapiro and Rep. Joanna McClinton 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.200 Natively and Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:08.160 with Resent Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.360 Welcome, Hey, fam, You're about to hear a replay of 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:12.440 one of our interviews from our live stream at the 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.480 Democratic National Convention. If you want to listen to or 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:17.880 watch the full stream, check out the links in the 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.680 episode description. You can also find a full list of 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:21.960 all the guests we interviewed. 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:23.480 Welcome home, y'all. 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:26.079 Man. 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.400 Governor Jos Shapiro is here. I loved your theme of 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:32.040 freedom last night. And you know, one question that I've 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.560 been asking everyone in light of the Supreme Court's recent 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:36.840 ruling is the fact we know so many Republican officials 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:38.600 refuse to start a fight the results of the election. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.080 Do you believe our democracy is healthy enough to have 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:42.599 a free and fair election come November? 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:44.720 I do, cause look, last time we had a free 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.160 and fair, safe and secure election in Pennsylvania and elsewhere, 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.159 and our Court's health. The judges, when it was up 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.280 to them, did do the right thing. But make no mistake, 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.800 there are serious threats out there. It's one of the 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.000 reasons why nine months ago, as a governor of Pennsylvania, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.400 which I think everyboy gery is kind of the ultimate 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:06.240 swing state here. We put together an election protection task 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.320 Force led by my Secretary of the Kamwal, who oversees 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:13.399 elections importantly a Republican because I think the administration of 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:17.479 elections is non partisan. Obviously, parties and exercise decide who 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:19.880 you want to be for. But we want everyone in 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.720 Pennsylvania to know that their ballot can be cast, their 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.200 ballot will be counted. And I don't care what Donald 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.400 Trump does to try and throw out a vote. We'll 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:30.360 be ready to go to court. 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:30.720 To protect it. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.600 And I can I say, I'm going to ask you. 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.720 You can say whatever you want anything. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.080 It is a night of celebration, but I'm going to 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.400 tell you the truth. I'm gonna take you into our 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.640 text messages. Don't be mad, Lenart. We were both surprised 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:47.800 that you were not selected as the VP. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:48.840 I was disappointed. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.920 I was gonna say that next. And I want to 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:56.800 know what it takes emotionally to get past that. When 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.000 you know you're qualified, when you know your friends are qualified, 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:00.680 to when your standard shoulder started with them, and you 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.920 know you got to carry on in the fight. Yeah, 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.440 how do you move past something like that. I mean, 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.320 we are a little biased as we got to sit 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.120 with you. I remember interviewing you. I was like, he 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.560 has it. There's like an it factor. Andrew has the 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.640 it factor running for governor of Florida like a hell 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:16.079 of a RaSE. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:17.720 And he's not done. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:18.600 If I got anything to do with it. 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.920 But but yes, I just want to know what it 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.400 takes for you to move past that. 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.040 Well, first of all, I hope you saw me that 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.440 Tuesday night in Philly when Kamala Harrison Tim Maul's came out. 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.119 I think I made clear that I'm all in for them, 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.079 and I hope I also made clear that I'm more 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.600 than at peace with this. And let me explain I 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.640 said during that process, which I was really humbled and 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.359 honored to be a part of, that this was, at 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.040 the end of the day, a deeply personal decision for 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.280 the Vice president. I'll tell you what was also a 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.799 deeply personal decision for me. And you got to make 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:57.200 sure that you're in the right situation, ultimately most importantly 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.320 for her, she's the boss, but also making sure that 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.080 you're in the best position where you can serve, where 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:04.800 you can chart your course, where you can have an 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.560 impact on people every day, and at the end of 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.600 the day, I think she made an outstanding picking Tim 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.920 Walls dollar. He's gonna serve her well in that role 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:15.840 and I look forward to continue to do everything I 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.079 can as governor of Pennsylvania. 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.000 It's a compliment to you, though, because people were saying, like, 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:20.720 he's not a number two, he's a number one. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.800 So he let me so speaking. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.120 To number one because that was my follow up. 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.280 There's been a lot of messy talk about when Kamala 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.280 Harrison Tim Wallas win in twenty twenty four that what 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.320 would prevent you from challenging them in twenty twenty eight. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:33.840 Would you say, like I would come and do that. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.440 Listen, now I play that game, They're gonna win. I'm 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.080 gonna do everything I can help, and I'm gonna do 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:40.760 everything I can help make sure they win again. 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:41.880 So I love that. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.600 But putting the noise the rest, I think is mission critical. 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:45.360 So I appreciate you. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:46.400 Yeah, Governor. 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:49.080 I'm curious well because I was trying to think, what 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.360 was the last time that we had a broker convention 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.520 at the DNC, So I was wonder where that speculation 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:55.560 would come from. 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:56.240 But governor. 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.080 The question I want to ask, I know that you 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.200 enjoy being governor of Pennsylvania and or dedicated. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.840 I'm sorry said three weeks ago. What was three weeks ago? 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:05.200 Joe Biden stepped in. 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.920 Oh, sorry, my bad, I'm governor. I know you enjoyed 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.120 being a governor. You've been clear that you enjoy being 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.520 governor of Pennsylvania. However, there is a speculation about what 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.600 role you might take when Kamala Harris and Tim Wallas 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:19.559 when the White House. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:21.680 Should you join her administration? 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.120 I'm curious what your advice to her would be when 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:29.520 it comes to what we're seeing happening in Israel and Gaza. 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.680 Let me be clear, I love being governor Pennsylvania. I'm 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.720 going to continue to be Governor of Pennsylvania, period, hard 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.440 styles and this sentence full stop. If you're asking me 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.200 about Israel, I'm happy to give you my thoughts on that, 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.880 but ultimately that policy is going to be set by 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:49.160 the Harris Walls administration with whoever she has hopefully negotiating 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.880 a peace in the Middle East. Look, I'll just share 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:53.960 with my views because I think a lot of this. 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.040 You know, people like to project onto other people what 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:58.040 they think. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:04:59.200 Here's what I know. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:04.279 On October seventh, a terrorist group Hamas, by the way, 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:08.840 designated terrorist group by the United States of America, stormed 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.320 into a sovereign nation, killed people at a music festival, 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:16.560 killed people in their homes, ripped away babies and families, 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.360 over two hundred of them, and took them a hostage. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:24.200 Back in Gaza, there were Americans taken hostage as well. 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:28.360 The world should be unified in their outrage about that, 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.200 and my heart breaks for what happened in Israel over 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:36.039 the ensuing months. My heart also breaks for the death 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:40.040 and destruction that we are seeing in Gaza every single day. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.919 Those babies in Gaza, they don't deserve to die, but 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.599 yet we are here in this situation of warfare that 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:51.719 is claiming far too many innocent lives. What needs to 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.960 happen is a return of the hostages, and then what 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.760 needs to happen is an end of the violence. And 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.719 then what my hope has been four years long before 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:05.320 October seventh, is that we can renew meaningful conversations to 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:10.000 have a two state solution Palestinians and Israelis living peacefully 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.760 side by side. Now, listen, all of what I just said, 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:15.279 there's some nuance in that. 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:15.960 I get that. 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:19.760 Here's where there can be absolutely no nuance when it 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:24.360 comes to all of us joining forces and condemning anti Semitism, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:29.400 condemning Islamophobia, condemning all forms of hatred and bigotry that 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:33.640 should unify us as Americans be against that hatred and bigotry. 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.640 And that is where I stand. I'm someone who's hopeful 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.280 for peace, and the quickest way we can get toward 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:43.320 a lasting conversation on peace is by being tolerant of 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:47.480 one another, getting these hostages home and ending the violence. 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:49.719 Definitely want to get the hostages home, for sure, I 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.360 think everyone agrees on that. But given the over forty 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:56.880 thousand many children included in that number of civilian lives 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:58.640 that have been casualties. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:59.560 Of distribe, acknowledge is yeah, pain. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.000 What I'm curious what you might say to the people 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:06.120 outside protesting who want to support this administration and they're 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.880 just they want their humanity scene. What would your message 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:09.600 to them be tonight? 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.760 I would say, you not only have a First Amendment 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.800 right to protest, one that as the Attorney General of 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.000 Pennsylvania is the governor of Pennsylvania. I stand up and 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:22.120 protect every day. I'd say that, you know, I think 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:23.960 I understand your pain. 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:25.480 I think I understand your pain. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.960 It's hard to fully understand someone's pain until you've walked 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.920 in their shoes. But I have met with so many 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:37.600 Muslim Americans, Palestinian Christians, people in Pennsylvania who have family 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:38.600 in God's. 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:39.720 I've heard their pain. 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.000 I've absorbed that, and my heart breaks for them as 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.880 it breaks for the Israelis that lost loved ones on 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.720 October seventh and can continue to have loved ones held 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.120 captive by this terrorist organization. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.720 This is horrible on every level. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.239 And if there's people outside peacefully protesting to make sure 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:01.000 that powerful people inside this building here, that's their right 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:01.320 to do. 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.320 And it's good that they're out there doing that. 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.440 As I've always said, you got to write to protest, 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.200 you got to follow the rules, whatever the rules are 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.760 that the mayor of Chicago or whatever set up, and 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:11.880 it's got to be peaceful and then you can make 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:12.880 sure your voice is heard. 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:13.560 That's right. 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.800 I wanted to ask you about Pennsylvania Governor. You know, 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.880 Donald Trump's support among white working class voters without a 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.120 college degree has shrunk significantly, not just in Pennsylvan, Michigan 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.440 and Wisconsin as well. That group typically favorous Republicans, but 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.600 they're now starting to back the vice president. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:28.560 Why do you think that is? 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.720 You know, I'll just look obviously you cite all the polling, 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.280 and basically we got kind of a tide race right now. 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:35.600 I'll tell you what, Charlie. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.480 And anecdotally, when I'm out in these rural areas, I 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.839 go there a lot foks kind of siddle up to 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.280 me and they go, hey, what do you really think 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:44.600 of her? 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:46.720 What's her deal? 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.800 What I'm trying to express you is there's like a curiosity, well, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:51.840 what's she really like? 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:53.960 What's she going to be like? You know her? 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.959 I take that as a really positive and hopeful sign 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.600 that they're kind of open to considering her candidates. And 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.480 that's a really really important thing, Andrew. You know that 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.679 feel from when you're running and you kind of got 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.120 somebody who maybe you think wouldn't take a look at you, 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.240 but they are. That's when you know you're kind of 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.880 onto something. And that's what I'm feeling out in the commandity. 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.680 And that's I actually wanted to ask your advice, and 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.200 I'm sure you're giving it to the campaign as a governor. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.400 I completely understand your hesitance on going wanted to go 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:27.280 anywhere because it's such a powerful and important and responsible 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.360 place to try to change, heal and mend the lives 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.400 of the people for whom you've been elected to serve. 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:33.560 You're doing that. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:38.600 I called you as the VP pick, not in any 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.880 recent time, but the night I heard your acceptance speech 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.320 once you won the race for governor, I was listening 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.079 on television and I was like, Dad, dudes, got it. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.240 I was like, whatever it is, he's got it, Governor. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.200 I'm not going to take for granted in any way, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.320 shape or form that there are people out here who 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.480 can't see a woman, let alone a black woman, as 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:03.000 their command in chief. And I sometimes wonder how this 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:08.600 conversation goes down amongst men when it's just men and 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.000 you're trying to communicate to them in a way that 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.120 is not politically correct, but is at the source of 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.360 your heart and the source of. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:17.320 What it is that you believe. 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:22.080 And I wonder what advice might you give to this campaign, 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.280 the broader campaign, and us as individuals and individual listeners 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.280 around how folks might go about that conversation, How might 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:33.120 they go about that conversation amongst other men and what 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.000 that might be, and not saying all men are the same. 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.440 So there's a lot of qualifiers there. But I hope 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:38.160 you get my point. 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.880 No, I do, And I think it is really really 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:46.160 important that people can vouch for the vice president who 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.520 have had an opportunity to work with her, people who 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.040 have had the opportunity to get to know her. Certainly 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.600 I'm one of those people, and there are others. When 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.480 you want to talk about whatever, just the guys sitting 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.959 around having the conversation. It might be hard for Kamala 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:02.960 Harris to be part of that conversation, but if I 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.679 can be there, I can tell it. Hey, guys, listen, 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.480 she's tough as nails. Yeah, she knows what she's doing. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:13.480 She is prepared to lead, and I've seen her do 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.160 the job. I've seen her be tough and know what's 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.120 at stake and how to make sure that she holds 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.720 someone accountable or whatever the situation is. I think that 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.160 those people who know her best vouching for her in 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.559 those communities are going to be really really important. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.720 But I hope people take that as instruction because however 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.680 taboo it may seem and sound. That's a barrier we 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.720 have to get over in communities all across this country, 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:39.959 and I hope folks will take note. 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.360 And speaking of barriers, I just want to before you answer, 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.960 a Governor, we've been joined by a history breaker, a 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:51.120 history maker herself, big first black woman Speaker of the 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.240 Pennsylvania House, and I know an ally of Governor Shapiro, 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:55.600 so we wanted to make sure we had a little 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:56.880 time to overlap with you both. 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:01.240 Man Speaker Joanna McClinton, if you've not heard that name before, 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.440 you're going to hear it again and again and again. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.480 She is the history making Speaker of the Pennsylvania House 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.480 of Representatives for the first time. The Democrats are in 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.440 the majority for about a dozen years, and look at 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.040 who they picked to lead them. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.079 That is a big deal. 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.320 She is awesome and as you said, a great ally 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.760 of mine and I have hers. And we're doing big 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.360 things in Pennsylvania, invest in record amounts in public education, 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:29.640 public safety, economic opportunity, protecting our fundamental freedoms. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.719 It's big time stuff for getting done in Pennsylvania, in. 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:37.360 The only divided legislature in the whole country. And Minister 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.320 McClinton on Sundays. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:47.200 Appreciate women and ginger. What can I help you with, 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.400 Governor Bishop, you were preaching out there last night. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:55.880 I need whatever you drink after church on Sunday. 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.360 Well, there's no better introduction, ma'am speaker. 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:04.480 Thank you for having me. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.760 Absolutely tell us how you did it. What's been the 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.480 labor to get to this point is as I've heard 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.079 in the commercial, my overnight success has been years in 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.640 the making. Absolutely, and that's probably the story you could tell. 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:16.439 Absolutely. 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:20.360 So growing up, I was not one seeing myself running 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.320 anything in government. I grew up with role models like 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:25.840 Matt Locke and Claire Huxtables. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:27.160 Sir, I was going to law school. 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:29.960 I was going to law thwenty seven. I mean I 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.439 was in the eighties. These were my role models. No 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.800 lawyers in my family. And once I got all the 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.040 way through school, I ended up working as a public 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.240 defender for almost a decade, doing that work in court 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.840 with people who are in the worst circumstances of their lives, 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:47.400 both struggling with poverty and also accused of serious things about. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.199 To lose liberty. It was there that I found my. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.920 Voice, and then finding my voice, I saw that there 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.600 was a lot of injustices, just in the law, mandatory minimums, 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.400 I mean, so many things that didn't make sense. And 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.960 when I would ask my colleagues and our appellate lawyer 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.320 down at the Philly PDS, I'm like, what's this all about? 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:03.600 They're like Harrisburg. 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.040 I'm like, well, where is Harrisburg. 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:05.920 I'll live in Philly. 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.760 I'm not one to get to the state Capitol ever, 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.000 And I left the Public Defenders, got a job working 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.360 for my state senator, was his chief council for a 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.120 few years, and for nine years just right now, I 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.480 have been serving my neighbors in west and southwest Philly 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.360 and Delaware County as state rep. And for the last 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.160 four years I have been in leadership in Harrisburg. And 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.600 it's when we flipped the House in twenty twenty two 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.320 that I went from the minority leader to the speaker. 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:30.080 I love that. 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.120 Can I and it can? I just jump in real quickly. 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.560 I want you to understand what it means to have 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.640 Joanna Mclinton as the leader. She mentioned that she was 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.640 a public defender forever in a day. Pennsylvania was one 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.400 of only two states in the whole nation that did 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:48.520 not fund public defenders at the state level. Joanna McClinton 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.160 is speaker for a hot second, and we got rid 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:52.240 of that bad distinction. 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.720 We now helped fund our public defenders. 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.800 Right, it matters who you brock compositions of leadership. 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.320 Talk about it, governorship, bro your speech got under Trump's skin. 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.480 Right last night he called you an overrated Jewish governor. 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:06.840 So what offended? 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.880 I'm calling you overrated anti semitazy? 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.320 I mean, I think my poll numbers right twenty points 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:20.080 bearing his drop them. 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.080 Is literally the definition of say less, ye say less check. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:35.720 Check Yeah, I'll say serious thing like I don't get 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:37.240 upset when he criticized me. 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:37.520 I don't. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.400 Honestly, I don't get too high when people say nice 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.880 things too low and people say bad things. Here's what 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:46.760 pisses me off, though, when he engages. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.320 In these anti Semitic tropes, when. 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:52.600 He pushes hatred and bigotry into our political discourse. It 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.960 makes other people around here feel less safe, makes them 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.560 feel like they don't belong and it infects us. And listen, 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:01.800 I got four kids. I try and raise them to 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.120 be good people. You try and raise them to be 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.200 the kind of people that you'd want in the leader 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:07.200 of this nation. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.040 Kamala Harris is. 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.920 That kind of person you know, no matter what you 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.160 look like, where you come from, who you love, who 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.480 you pray to, you belong here. She believes that. I 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:20.160 believe that Donald Trump doesn't believe that. And that is 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.480 what's upsetting to me, not that he calls me a 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.280 bad namer, engages in attacks on me. 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:26.480 It's how it makes other. 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.320 People feel and the license it gives to people like 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:30.920 him to then do the same thing. 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:31.920 You would think you would. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.000 Learn his lesson because he's already created an environment of 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.200 political violence. That's clearly you haven't been safe for him, 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.520 So you don't think nobody. 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.560 Say that that's a really good point. 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.920 Okay, well, I do have one more question for Governor 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.360 We okay, with this staff, we keep getting cussed. 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:51.240 Out by mercy. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.920 Okay, what do you say to people I've been seeing 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.560 the right say this a lot. Democrats talk like they 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.520 don't have the White House now, they talk like they 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.160 haven't had to White House twelve with the last sixteen years. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.840 How come Democrats don't speak like they are in the 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:05.440 driver's seat. 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:08.000 I'm not sure I'd look at it that way, but 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.479 I think what we have now as a result of 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.800 what occurred over the last thirty is days or so, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.320 we got a change agent in Kamala Harris. We got 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.080 someone who now gets to lay out a different vision, 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.360 a different path forward. And so of course she's going 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.199 to take up the mantle of change. We already know 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.240 what the hell Donald Trump's going to do. He did 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.280 it for four years, and you know what he did 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:32.320 more chaos, less jobs, and a whole lot less freedom 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.480 when he was in charge. He wants to do the 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.919 same thing. So like he's not the change agent Kamala 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.399 Harris is. And so maybe that's sort of what folks 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:42.199 are reacting to. 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.359 Well, Governor, you're being gracious with your staff. I was 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.840 going to say anytime, we always say we don't always 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.000 have six seats. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:50.800 But we at least got four. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.280 Where you want to come and join Native Lampi, we'll 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.960 you know, lookome you on as guest hosts any day 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.400 of the week when you're not to watch baruk Obama. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:08.800 Y'all, I'm not sure where that came from you, because 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:11.520 in my lifetime. 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:14.080 You definitely sound like him sometimes. Yeah, but you. 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.280 Know he got he got his sound from some places too, 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:18.879 so we're allowed to. 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.080 Joanna Joyna said he was preaching. They both sound like 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:25.120 we need an organ. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:26.280 All we need is an organ. 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:29.040 Starts. 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.480 But the fans have to have comments. 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:35.840