1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Natively and Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: with Resent Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: Welcome, Hey, fam, You're about to hear a replay of 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: one of our interviews from our live stream at the 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: Democratic National Convention. If you want to listen to or 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: watch the full stream, check out the links in the 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: episode description. You can also find a full list of 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: all the guests we interviewed. 9 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 3: Welcome home, y'all. 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 4: Man. 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 5: Governor Jos Shapiro is here. I loved your theme of 12 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 5: freedom last night. And you know, one question that I've 13 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 5: been asking everyone in light of the Supreme Court's recent 14 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 5: ruling is the fact we know so many Republican officials 15 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 5: refuse to start a fight the results of the election. 16 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 5: Do you believe our democracy is healthy enough to have 17 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 5: a free and fair election come November? 18 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 6: I do, cause look, last time we had a free 19 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 6: and fair, safe and secure election in Pennsylvania and elsewhere, 20 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 6: and our Court's health. The judges, when it was up 21 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 6: to them, did do the right thing. But make no mistake, 22 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 6: there are serious threats out there. It's one of the 23 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 6: reasons why nine months ago, as a governor of Pennsylvania, 24 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 6: which I think everyboy gery is kind of the ultimate 25 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 6: swing state here. We put together an election protection task 26 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 6: Force led by my Secretary of the Kamwal, who oversees 27 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 6: elections importantly a Republican because I think the administration of 28 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 6: elections is non partisan. Obviously, parties and exercise decide who 29 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 6: you want to be for. But we want everyone in 30 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 6: Pennsylvania to know that their ballot can be cast, their 31 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 6: ballot will be counted. And I don't care what Donald 32 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 6: Trump does to try and throw out a vote. We'll 33 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 6: be ready to go to court. 34 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 4: To protect it. 35 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: And I can I say, I'm going to ask you. 36 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 4: You can say whatever you want anything. 37 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: It is a night of celebration, but I'm going to 38 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: tell you the truth. I'm gonna take you into our 39 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: text messages. Don't be mad, Lenart. We were both surprised 40 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: that you were not selected as the VP. 41 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: I was disappointed. 42 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: I was gonna say that next. And I want to 43 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: know what it takes emotionally to get past that. When 44 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: you know you're qualified, when you know your friends are qualified, 45 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: to when your standard shoulder started with them, and you 46 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: know you got to carry on in the fight. Yeah, 47 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: how do you move past something like that. I mean, 48 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: we are a little biased as we got to sit 49 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: with you. I remember interviewing you. I was like, he 50 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: has it. There's like an it factor. Andrew has the 51 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: it factor running for governor of Florida like a hell 52 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: of a RaSE. 53 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 4: And he's not done. 54 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 3: If I got anything to do with it. 55 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: But but yes, I just want to know what it 56 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: takes for you to move past that. 57 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I hope you saw me that 58 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 6: Tuesday night in Philly when Kamala Harrison Tim Maul's came out. 59 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 6: I think I made clear that I'm all in for them, 60 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 6: and I hope I also made clear that I'm more 61 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 6: than at peace with this. And let me explain I 62 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 6: said during that process, which I was really humbled and 63 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 6: honored to be a part of, that this was, at 64 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 6: the end of the day, a deeply personal decision for 65 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 6: the Vice president. I'll tell you what was also a 66 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 6: deeply personal decision for me. And you got to make 67 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 6: sure that you're in the right situation, ultimately most importantly 68 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 6: for her, she's the boss, but also making sure that 69 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 6: you're in the best position where you can serve, where 70 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 6: you can chart your course, where you can have an 71 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 6: impact on people every day, and at the end of 72 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 6: the day, I think she made an outstanding picking Tim 73 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 6: Walls dollar. He's gonna serve her well in that role 74 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 6: and I look forward to continue to do everything I 75 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 6: can as governor of Pennsylvania. 76 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 5: It's a compliment to you, though, because people were saying, like, 77 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 5: he's not a number two, he's a number one. 78 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 4: So he let me so speaking. 79 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: To number one because that was my follow up. 80 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: There's been a lot of messy talk about when Kamala 81 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: Harrison Tim Wallas win in twenty twenty four that what 82 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: would prevent you from challenging them in twenty twenty eight. 83 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: Would you say, like I would come and do that. 84 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 6: Listen, now I play that game, They're gonna win. I'm 85 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 6: gonna do everything I can help, and I'm gonna do 86 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 6: everything I can help make sure they win again. 87 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: So I love that. 88 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: But putting the noise the rest, I think is mission critical. 89 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: So I appreciate you. 90 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, Governor. 91 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm curious well because I was trying to think, what 92 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: was the last time that we had a broker convention 93 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: at the DNC, So I was wonder where that speculation 94 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: would come from. 95 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: But governor. 96 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: The question I want to ask, I know that you 97 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: enjoy being governor of Pennsylvania and or dedicated. 98 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 3: I'm sorry said three weeks ago. What was three weeks ago? 99 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: Joe Biden stepped in. 100 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: Oh, sorry, my bad, I'm governor. I know you enjoyed 101 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: being a governor. You've been clear that you enjoy being 102 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: governor of Pennsylvania. However, there is a speculation about what 103 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: role you might take when Kamala Harris and Tim Wallas 104 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:19,559 Speaker 1: when the White House. 105 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: Should you join her administration? 106 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm curious what your advice to her would be when 107 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: it comes to what we're seeing happening in Israel and Gaza. 108 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 6: Let me be clear, I love being governor Pennsylvania. I'm 109 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 6: going to continue to be Governor of Pennsylvania, period, hard 110 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 6: styles and this sentence full stop. If you're asking me 111 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 6: about Israel, I'm happy to give you my thoughts on that, 112 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 6: but ultimately that policy is going to be set by 113 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 6: the Harris Walls administration with whoever she has hopefully negotiating 114 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 6: a peace in the Middle East. Look, I'll just share 115 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 6: with my views because I think a lot of this. 116 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 6: You know, people like to project onto other people what 117 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 6: they think. 118 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 4: Here's what I know. 119 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 6: On October seventh, a terrorist group Hamas, by the way, 120 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 6: designated terrorist group by the United States of America, stormed 121 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 6: into a sovereign nation, killed people at a music festival, 122 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 6: killed people in their homes, ripped away babies and families, 123 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 6: over two hundred of them, and took them a hostage. 124 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 6: Back in Gaza, there were Americans taken hostage as well. 125 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 6: The world should be unified in their outrage about that, 126 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 6: and my heart breaks for what happened in Israel over 127 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 6: the ensuing months. My heart also breaks for the death 128 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 6: and destruction that we are seeing in Gaza every single day. 129 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 6: Those babies in Gaza, they don't deserve to die, but 130 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 6: yet we are here in this situation of warfare that 131 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 6: is claiming far too many innocent lives. What needs to 132 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 6: happen is a return of the hostages, and then what 133 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 6: needs to happen is an end of the violence. And 134 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 6: then what my hope has been four years long before 135 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 6: October seventh, is that we can renew meaningful conversations to 136 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 6: have a two state solution Palestinians and Israelis living peacefully 137 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 6: side by side. Now, listen, all of what I just said, 138 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 6: there's some nuance in that. 139 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 4: I get that. 140 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 6: Here's where there can be absolutely no nuance when it 141 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 6: comes to all of us joining forces and condemning anti Semitism, 142 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 6: condemning Islamophobia, condemning all forms of hatred and bigotry that 143 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 6: should unify us as Americans be against that hatred and bigotry. 144 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 6: And that is where I stand. I'm someone who's hopeful 145 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 6: for peace, and the quickest way we can get toward 146 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 6: a lasting conversation on peace is by being tolerant of 147 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 6: one another, getting these hostages home and ending the violence. 148 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: Definitely want to get the hostages home, for sure, I 149 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: think everyone agrees on that. But given the over forty 150 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: thousand many children included in that number of civilian lives 151 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: that have been casualties. 152 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 4: Of distribe, acknowledge is yeah, pain. 153 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: What I'm curious what you might say to the people 154 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: outside protesting who want to support this administration and they're 155 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: just they want their humanity scene. What would your message 156 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: to them be tonight? 157 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 6: I would say, you not only have a First Amendment 158 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 6: right to protest, one that as the Attorney General of 159 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 6: Pennsylvania is the governor of Pennsylvania. I stand up and 160 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 6: protect every day. I'd say that, you know, I think 161 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 6: I understand your pain. 162 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 4: I think I understand your pain. 163 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 6: It's hard to fully understand someone's pain until you've walked 164 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 6: in their shoes. But I have met with so many 165 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 6: Muslim Americans, Palestinian Christians, people in Pennsylvania who have family 166 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 6: in God's. 167 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 4: I've heard their pain. 168 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 6: I've absorbed that, and my heart breaks for them as 169 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 6: it breaks for the Israelis that lost loved ones on 170 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 6: October seventh and can continue to have loved ones held 171 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 6: captive by this terrorist organization. 172 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 4: This is horrible on every level. 173 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 6: And if there's people outside peacefully protesting to make sure 174 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 6: that powerful people inside this building here, that's their right 175 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 6: to do. 176 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: And it's good that they're out there doing that. 177 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 6: As I've always said, you got to write to protest, 178 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 6: you got to follow the rules, whatever the rules are 179 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 6: that the mayor of Chicago or whatever set up, and 180 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 6: it's got to be peaceful and then you can make 181 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 6: sure your voice is heard. 182 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 4: That's right. 183 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you about Pennsylvania Governor. You know, 184 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 5: Donald Trump's support among white working class voters without a 185 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 5: college degree has shrunk significantly, not just in Pennsylvan, Michigan 186 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 5: and Wisconsin as well. That group typically favorous Republicans, but 187 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 5: they're now starting to back the vice president. 188 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 4: Why do you think that is? 189 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 6: You know, I'll just look obviously you cite all the polling, 190 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 6: and basically we got kind of a tide race right now. 191 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, Charlie. 192 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 6: And anecdotally, when I'm out in these rural areas, I 193 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 6: go there a lot foks kind of siddle up to 194 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 6: me and they go, hey, what do you really think 195 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 6: of her? 196 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 4: What's her deal? 197 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 6: What I'm trying to express you is there's like a curiosity, well, 198 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 6: what's she really like? 199 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 4: What's she going to be like? You know her? 200 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 6: I take that as a really positive and hopeful sign 201 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 6: that they're kind of open to considering her candidates. And 202 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 6: that's a really really important thing, Andrew. You know that 203 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 6: feel from when you're running and you kind of got 204 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 6: somebody who maybe you think wouldn't take a look at you, 205 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 6: but they are. That's when you know you're kind of 206 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 6: onto something. And that's what I'm feeling out in the commandity. 207 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 7: And that's I actually wanted to ask your advice, and 208 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 7: I'm sure you're giving it to the campaign as a governor. 209 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 7: I completely understand your hesitance on going wanted to go 210 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 7: anywhere because it's such a powerful and important and responsible 211 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 7: place to try to change, heal and mend the lives 212 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 7: of the people for whom you've been elected to serve. 213 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 4: You're doing that. 214 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 7: I called you as the VP pick, not in any 215 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 7: recent time, but the night I heard your acceptance speech 216 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 7: once you won the race for governor, I was listening 217 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 7: on television and I was like, Dad, dudes, got it. 218 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 7: I was like, whatever it is, he's got it, Governor. 219 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 7: I'm not going to take for granted in any way, 220 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 7: shape or form that there are people out here who 221 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 7: can't see a woman, let alone a black woman, as 222 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 7: their command in chief. And I sometimes wonder how this 223 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 7: conversation goes down amongst men when it's just men and 224 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 7: you're trying to communicate to them in a way that 225 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 7: is not politically correct, but is at the source of 226 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 7: your heart and the source of. 227 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 4: What it is that you believe. 228 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 7: And I wonder what advice might you give to this campaign, 229 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 7: the broader campaign, and us as individuals and individual listeners 230 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 7: around how folks might go about that conversation, How might 231 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 7: they go about that conversation amongst other men and what 232 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 7: that might be, and not saying all men are the same. 233 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 7: So there's a lot of qualifiers there. But I hope 234 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 7: you get my point. 235 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 6: No, I do, And I think it is really really 236 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 6: important that people can vouch for the vice president who 237 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 6: have had an opportunity to work with her, people who 238 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 6: have had the opportunity to get to know her. Certainly 239 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 6: I'm one of those people, and there are others. When 240 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 6: you want to talk about whatever, just the guys sitting 241 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 6: around having the conversation. It might be hard for Kamala 242 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 6: Harris to be part of that conversation, but if I 243 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 6: can be there, I can tell it. Hey, guys, listen, 244 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 6: she's tough as nails. Yeah, she knows what she's doing. 245 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 6: She is prepared to lead, and I've seen her do 246 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 6: the job. I've seen her be tough and know what's 247 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 6: at stake and how to make sure that she holds 248 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 6: someone accountable or whatever the situation is. I think that 249 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 6: those people who know her best vouching for her in 250 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 6: those communities are going to be really really important. 251 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 7: But I hope people take that as instruction because however 252 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 7: taboo it may seem and sound. That's a barrier we 253 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 7: have to get over in communities all across this country, 254 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 7: and I hope folks will take note. 255 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: And speaking of barriers, I just want to before you answer, 256 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 2: a Governor, we've been joined by a history breaker, a 257 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: history maker herself, big first black woman Speaker of the 258 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 2: Pennsylvania House, and I know an ally of Governor Shapiro, 259 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: so we wanted to make sure we had a little 260 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: time to overlap with you both. 261 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 6: Man Speaker Joanna McClinton, if you've not heard that name before, 262 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 6: you're going to hear it again and again and again. 263 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 6: She is the history making Speaker of the Pennsylvania House 264 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 6: of Representatives for the first time. The Democrats are in 265 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 6: the majority for about a dozen years, and look at 266 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 6: who they picked to lead them. 267 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 4: That is a big deal. 268 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 6: She is awesome and as you said, a great ally 269 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 6: of mine and I have hers. And we're doing big 270 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 6: things in Pennsylvania, invest in record amounts in public education, 271 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 6: public safety, economic opportunity, protecting our fundamental freedoms. 272 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 4: It's big time stuff for getting done in Pennsylvania, in. 273 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 6: The only divided legislature in the whole country. And Minister 274 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 6: McClinton on Sundays. 275 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 8: Appreciate women and ginger. What can I help you with, 276 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 8: Governor Bishop, you were preaching out there last night. 277 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 6: I need whatever you drink after church on Sunday. 278 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 7: Well, there's no better introduction, ma'am speaker. 279 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 280 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 7: Absolutely tell us how you did it. What's been the 281 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 7: labor to get to this point is as I've heard 282 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 7: in the commercial, my overnight success has been years in 283 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 7: the making. Absolutely, and that's probably the story you could tell. 284 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 285 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 8: So growing up, I was not one seeing myself running 286 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 8: anything in government. I grew up with role models like 287 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 8: Matt Locke and Claire Huxtables. 288 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 4: Sir, I was going to law school. 289 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 8: I was going to law thwenty seven. I mean I 290 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 8: was in the eighties. These were my role models. No 291 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 8: lawyers in my family. And once I got all the 292 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 8: way through school, I ended up working as a public 293 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 8: defender for almost a decade, doing that work in court 294 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 8: with people who are in the worst circumstances of their lives, 295 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 8: both struggling with poverty and also accused of serious things about. 296 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 3: To lose liberty. It was there that I found my. 297 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 8: Voice, and then finding my voice, I saw that there 298 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 8: was a lot of injustices, just in the law, mandatory minimums, 299 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 8: I mean, so many things that didn't make sense. And 300 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 8: when I would ask my colleagues and our appellate lawyer 301 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 8: down at the Philly PDS, I'm like, what's this all about? 302 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 3: They're like Harrisburg. 303 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 8: I'm like, well, where is Harrisburg. 304 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: I'll live in Philly. 305 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 8: I'm not one to get to the state Capitol ever, 306 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 8: And I left the Public Defenders, got a job working 307 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 8: for my state senator, was his chief council for a 308 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 8: few years, and for nine years just right now, I 309 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 8: have been serving my neighbors in west and southwest Philly 310 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 8: and Delaware County as state rep. And for the last 311 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 8: four years I have been in leadership in Harrisburg. And 312 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 8: it's when we flipped the House in twenty twenty two 313 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 8: that I went from the minority leader to the speaker. 314 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: I love that. 315 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 4: Can I and it can? I just jump in real quickly. 316 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 6: I want you to understand what it means to have 317 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 6: Joanna Mclinton as the leader. She mentioned that she was 318 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 6: a public defender forever in a day. Pennsylvania was one 319 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 6: of only two states in the whole nation that did 320 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 6: not fund public defenders at the state level. Joanna McClinton 321 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 6: is speaker for a hot second, and we got rid 322 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 6: of that bad distinction. 323 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 4: We now helped fund our public defenders. 324 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 6: Right, it matters who you brock compositions of leadership. 325 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 5: Talk about it, governorship, bro your speech got under Trump's skin. 326 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 5: Right last night he called you an overrated Jewish governor. 327 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 4: So what offended? 328 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 5: I'm calling you overrated anti semitazy? 329 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 4: I mean, I think my poll numbers right twenty points 330 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 4: bearing his drop them. 331 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: Is literally the definition of say less, ye say less check. 332 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 6: Check Yeah, I'll say serious thing like I don't get 333 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 6: upset when he criticized me. 334 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 8: I don't. 335 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 6: Honestly, I don't get too high when people say nice 336 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 6: things too low and people say bad things. Here's what 337 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 6: pisses me off, though, when he engages. 338 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 4: In these anti Semitic tropes, when. 339 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 6: He pushes hatred and bigotry into our political discourse. It 340 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 6: makes other people around here feel less safe, makes them 341 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 6: feel like they don't belong and it infects us. And listen, 342 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 6: I got four kids. I try and raise them to 343 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 6: be good people. You try and raise them to be 344 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 6: the kind of people that you'd want in the leader 345 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 6: of this nation. 346 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 4: Kamala Harris is. 347 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 6: That kind of person you know, no matter what you 348 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 6: look like, where you come from, who you love, who 349 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 6: you pray to, you belong here. She believes that. I 350 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 6: believe that Donald Trump doesn't believe that. And that is 351 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 6: what's upsetting to me, not that he calls me a 352 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 6: bad namer, engages in attacks on me. 353 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 4: It's how it makes other. 354 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 7: People feel and the license it gives to people like 355 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 7: him to then do the same thing. 356 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 4: You would think you would. 357 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 5: Learn his lesson because he's already created an environment of 358 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 5: political violence. That's clearly you haven't been safe for him, 359 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 5: So you don't think nobody. 360 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: Say that that's a really good point. 361 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: Okay, well, I do have one more question for Governor 362 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: We okay, with this staff, we keep getting cussed. 363 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 4: Out by mercy. 364 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 5: Okay, what do you say to people I've been seeing 365 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 5: the right say this a lot. Democrats talk like they 366 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 5: don't have the White House now, they talk like they 367 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 5: haven't had to White House twelve with the last sixteen years. 368 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 5: How come Democrats don't speak like they are in the 369 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 5: driver's seat. 370 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 6: I'm not sure I'd look at it that way, but 371 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 6: I think what we have now as a result of 372 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 6: what occurred over the last thirty is days or so, 373 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 6: we got a change agent in Kamala Harris. We got 374 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 6: someone who now gets to lay out a different vision, 375 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 6: a different path forward. And so of course she's going 376 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 6: to take up the mantle of change. We already know 377 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 6: what the hell Donald Trump's going to do. He did 378 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 6: it for four years, and you know what he did 379 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 6: more chaos, less jobs, and a whole lot less freedom 380 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 6: when he was in charge. He wants to do the 381 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 6: same thing. So like he's not the change agent Kamala 382 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 6: Harris is. And so maybe that's sort of what folks 383 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 6: are reacting to. 384 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 7: Well, Governor, you're being gracious with your staff. I was 385 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 7: going to say anytime, we always say we don't always 386 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 7: have six seats. 387 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 4: But we at least got four. 388 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 7: Where you want to come and join Native Lampi, we'll 389 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 7: you know, lookome you on as guest hosts any day 390 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 7: of the week when you're not to watch baruk Obama. 391 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 6: Y'all, I'm not sure where that came from you, because 392 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 6: in my lifetime. 393 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 3: You definitely sound like him sometimes. Yeah, but you. 394 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 7: Know he got he got his sound from some places too, 395 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 7: so we're allowed to. 396 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: Joanna Joyna said he was preaching. They both sound like 397 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 3: we need an organ. 398 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 4: All we need is an organ. 399 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 3: Starts. 400 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 8: But the fans have to have comments. 401 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 4: Let's have both of y'all before y'all go, who had 402 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 4: the best speach. 403 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 3: Of the week that we had the best beach of 404 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 3: the week. 405 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 6: Come on, it's like a choose between my kids. I 406 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 6: think Michelle, come on. 407 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 7: Easily, Madam Speaker and Governor. The debate has been ship. 408 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 4: She had been the closestold be she can close every night. 409 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 8: She can close every night, Michell and closed and Governor. 410 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 8: I have nothing in front of me. But it's like 411 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 8: you took my talk points. But see they defer to 412 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 8: the state rep. We'll come back to you. I was 413 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 8: on the floor taking self several feet away. 414 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 7: Well, the message from that is become governor. 415 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 4: You know you have term limits and stuff. 416 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 6: Just saying, mark my word, I believe that. 417 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 3: So grateful for both of you all for. 418 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: Joining us tonight night celebrate it's your night, and they 419 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,479 Speaker 2: get us to fight tomorrow. Thanks y'all, thank you, thank you, 420 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: thank you, thank you. Hey y'all, thanks for listening. 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