WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Death of Annie Börjesson 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.280 Thinking Sideways is not supported by aliens. Instead, it's supported 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.240 by the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon. Visit 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.200 patreon dot com slash thinking sideways to learn more and 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:26.000 thanks Thinking Sideways. I don't understand you never know stories 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:31.360 of things. We simply don't know the answer too. Well. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:36.200 Here there, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:41.360 joined as always by Devin and Steve, and this week 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.599 we're going to tackle another hard hitting mystery. The mystery 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:49.040 is who thought jar Jar Banks was a good idea? No, 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.279 it's not. I actually think we need to do an 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.080 episode on that though it's just Darth Banks. I mean 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.280 we can. We'll go there someday, you and I and 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.160 all three of us can take a big bottle of booze. 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.360 Let's keep going here. Yeah, okay, well I know our 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.560 real mystery. Then we're gonna talk about the mysterious death 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.199 of Annie Burgerson, who who was a thirty year old 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.240 Swedish woman who was living in Scotland in two thousand 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.080 five when our mystery begins. By the way, this was 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.600 suggested by our listener Mark, although he only got seven 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.759 ages credit because I actually found this on my own 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:23.399 and then I went and checked the list and his 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.199 name was on there. So yeah, that's been happening to 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:30.720 us to a lot happened last week with oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:35.000 starting to get really good at our own research. Don't 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.560 tell anybody, all right, back to this, so what are 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.960 we doing here? From okay? Back to our mystery. On 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.280 December third, two thousand five, and he left her apartment 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:48.200 in Edinburgh, Scotland, around one fifteen in the afternoon. Less 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:49.960 than a day later, she was found dead on the 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:54.080 beach at the seaside town of Prestwick, about eighty miles away. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:55.880 If you happen to be one of those people who 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.720 lives in the country that's still clinging to the metric system, 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:05.080 that's a that's a hundred third the kilometers. Yeah, okay, yeah, 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:06.360 I believe it or not, there's people who have not 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:10.960 converted to our system. I know it is crazy. Yeah, 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.160 that's we'll talk about that one someday too. So our mystery. 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.640 Her body has found. The police come and get the 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.160 body and investigate and did an autopsy and they concluded 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:25.320 that Annie had drowned. Probably not an unreasonable conclusion, given 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.079 that there was stuff in her lungs and uh. Then 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.400 they decided that she had either committed suicide or had 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.760 been an accident. Um. But her family and some of 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.919 her friends think that she was murdered and her body 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.839 was placed on the beach by the murderer or murderers. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.280 And of course you can give it even more juice 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.079 as a CIA angle to this story. Yes, I was 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.920 surprised when I came across that. Yeah, I'm surprised. Actually 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:50.480 it could be a CIA. It might be m I 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:55.560 five or m I six. Also yeah, yeah you too. 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.840 Also yeah, uh, let me give you a little background 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.560 on Annie. Uh. As I said, she was thirty years old, 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.480 native of Sweden. Of course, she spoke quite a few languages, 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.799 including English, and but it's one of the reasons she 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.520 wanted to live in Scotland for a while is to 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:14.880 perfect her English. Scotland the best place to learn definitely 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:20.440 the best place to learn English. Yeah, but our Scottish 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.960 listeners have said so themselves. Yeah, I couldn't understand about 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:30.000 is that what they said? Okay? Anyway, Annie, of course, 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.720 according to family and friends, was intelligent, good nature, very talkative, 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.960 unlikable and you started to get that feeling from reading 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:38.960 about her of course the same time. Of course, and 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.560 that's your dead daughter. You're not gonna say, yeah, there 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.360 is a lot of information that is curated by her family. 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:49.000 Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. Uh. This was her third 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.360 visit to Scotland and she had, reportedly I heard, had 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.080 just found a job or was on the break of 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.880 finding a job, and uh, so that was good news 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.840 for her. In the days leading up to Annie's death, 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:03.240 she did displace a little bit of unusual behavior. She 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.560 lived in a place called the Lytton Court Apartments, and 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.080 she had her own room, but that she shared a 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.560 kitchen with several other people. And I remember of the 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.080 staff at the apartments who goes by the name of Jane. 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.320 I've never found out what her last name was. Reported 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.920 to police that Annie had been depressed a bit about 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.440 a relationship with a man. Annie reportedly also told somebody 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.159 else at the apartments whose name I don't know, or 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.720 that she quote had to take care of something unquote, 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.760 and that she quote had made a decision that might 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.440 change her life unquote. So we don't know what that means. 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.960 Um well, I mean, we like to read ominous into 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.000 things like this, but we in retrospect especially Yeah, but 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.400 having you know, just decided, you know, just gotten a 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.599 job in Scotland and maybe being considering, you know, moving 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.920 their long term, that's a that's a pretty big life decision. Sure. 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.880 Or maybe she decided to become an Amway rep. Yeah. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.400 Or maybe she decided that she was going to do 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.920 out however, you know, a six month tour there and 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.520 then go home permanently. I mean, there's a million ways 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.280 that it could have gone. There are life changing. Yeah. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.480 Maybe she was gonna think she was going to take 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.560 care of was she was going to apply for citizenship 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:16.359 to America. Yeah, I meant, you know, these are things 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.720 it's easy to go really the dark angle, but it 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.800 could literally be anything. Yeah, any given day for me, 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.600 there's at least one thing that I need to need 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:29.160 to take care of, several things, And if you if 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.200 you want to be dramatic, almost anything I do during 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.520 the day could drastically change the course of my life. Absolutely, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.160 Clip your nails a little too close and you die. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:45.880 It happens. Forget to shaven. Yeah, my legs by the way, Yeah, 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.480 do you save any legs of you only use that 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:53.960 job as a leg model, Steve Listen, it's lucrative on 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.360 December second, and he went to the Scotch Whiskey Heritage Center. 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:01.440 Yeah she did. Yeah that sounds like a place, doesn't it. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.240 It really does, actually, but she had had a job 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.200 there earlier in the year, and uh she was. Once 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:07.680 she was there, she ran into a friend and former 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.839 co worker named Kat Dlmo, and Kat said that they 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.080 sat down and had a chat and Kat said that 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.880 Annie seemed her normal, cheerful self. Reportedly, though Annie's mood 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:18.760 changed what she got a phone call for her mother, 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:23.120 Guya at six fift PM. Annie had had some previous 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.480 phone conversations with her dad and her brother and they 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.640 had both gotten the impression that something was wrong. Now, 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.520 it might not be any big deal because I mean, 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.800 if she was a little depressed over some guy, you know, 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.000 maybe she was not quite as cheerful as would also 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.640 have been. I mean, again, if we go back to 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.320 the theory that she was planning to move to Scotland, 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.240 that's something she was already in Scotland well, but I 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.400 mean like move long term instead of saying I'm coming 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.600 back in a couple of months. That's something that's kind 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.680 of ner racking to tell your parents, especially if you're 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.520 close with them. Well, she's also a thirty year old woman, 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.120 and I know a lot of people who's who are 0:06:56.200 --> 0:07:00.560 very close with their parents, and sometimes saying mom, cut 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:04.360 it out doesn't go so well, and the parents immediately 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:09.440 presumed that there's something wrong. Yeah, eight year old woman. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:13.480 Sometimes you try to assert yourself, you know, to your parents, 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.120 and they take well, they take that as you know, 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:16.720 when you're trying to be an adult. They're like, but 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.360 you're still on my baby, so let me help you. 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:20.840 And that's I mean, that's a thing that happens, and 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.600 it's hard, especially if you maybe have been living at 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.560 home part time, I presume, and she lived in Sweed 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.640 and she was staying with her parents. Yeah she was, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.840 so I mean that it's hard. It can be hard 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.560 to drink any kind of news like that. So again 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.560 I'm just trying to continue to put the normal spin 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:41.960 on things. Yeah, this is the stuff is not necessarily sinister. Yeah, 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.200 but anyway, her mother was concerned, so she called, but 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.160 Andy said she couldn't talk because she was hanging out 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.280 with her friend Kat. And then Guya was a little 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.960 persistent and asked Annie what was wrong, and Andie said, 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:53.960 quote you have to respect this, but I have to 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.920 take care of myself unquote. At least that's that's what 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.400 you see on the internet everywhere. But I listened to 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.440 an interview Guya herself, and what she says in that 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.920 interview is quote, you have to respect this, but I 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.560 have to take care of this myself. So I have 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.600 to take care of this myself. A little bit a 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:14.440 little bit different, Yeah, but that's what actually said that 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.560 Annie said, Right, So I don't know what how sinister 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.760 at all is. I don't think it really is actually 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.560 and not if not everybody wants to talk about everything. 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.600 Maybe she was depressed about some guy, but she didn't 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.560 really want to talk to her mother about it. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:27.840 I mean do you want to talk about stuff like 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:33.160 that with your parents sometimes? But not. Yeah, there were 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.880 some other strange things that happened, like her mother said 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.800 that Annie, even though in her apartment she had a 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.320 phone and she had a cell phone, she would actually 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.679 leave the apartment to go to a phone booth and 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.680 call home from the phone booth. I wonder if it 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:49.320 was cheaper. I was about to say, you know, cell phones, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.679 I mean, this is ten years ago international calling, because 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:57.000 I obviously you guys family overseason. It was obscene and 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.640 I would use a phone card, but you know there 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.280 are there are some phones that couldn't you You couldn't 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:08.240 dial even she didn't get great reception at her you know, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:12.000 if you don't get good section, Yeah, then you don't 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:13.760 want to risk getting cut off if you're making this 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:20.160 really expensive across to a landline. Yeah. Yeah, So again 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.720 this is not necessarily first shattering, but we're doing really 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:27.760 good at just discounting everything. Seriously, God, you guys, come on, 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:29.480 we have to cut it out. We gotta a cool 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:33.360 mystery here. And then one of the weird thing happens again. Again. 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.880 I have no idea that this had anything to do 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.000 with Andy's death. But she met a guy at a 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.920 nightclub called Mood and the guy wasn't called the nightclub. 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.640 Yeah yeah, this guy, this guy said that he was 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:50.320 a rugby player from from New Zealand named Martin Leslie. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.160 And there really is a Martin Leslie from New Zealand. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.480 He plays rugby. I played for Scotland for for five 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:01.000 years from like three. Just have to be this dude. 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.360 Yeah yeah, but but yeah, he actually he actually hadn't 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.800 been to Scotland in that year, a couple of years. Yeah, 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:09.400 he hadn't been there for a while. Oh so that 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.320 was just masquerading as he was apparently masquerading. It might 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.040 be if she she hung out there a lot at 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:19.000 this nightclub, and she was also kind of into rugby players, 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:21.280 so it might it might well have been to some 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.040 other guy that kind of knew her was accorinted to 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.520 with her, said said to this guy, hey, just lie 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.319 to her, telling you to play rugby, show fall for 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.720 that everything. It might have been. Yeah, but I mean 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:31.440 I guess on the other hand, right, you don't have 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.960 to lie, so the lie doesn't have to be so grandiose. 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.400 You can just say, like, yeah, I play rugby. But 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.160 she was yeah, and she was exactly that would be better. 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.800 Oh no, no, no, no, no, you obviously have not 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:47.000 been a drunken dude in a nightclub before. Who the 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.040 bigger the lie, the better Bernie Stinson or like what No? 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:55.400 But I um, but there there. I mean, you see 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.600 these things where these people will say I met Shaquille 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.800 O'Neal and here's my photo with him when we were 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:05.240 at the mall, and it was so awesome, and they tweeted, 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.560 and Shaquillo would right back. I mean Chicago playing a 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.760 game right now. So I don't know who that dude is. 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.280 Like this, it's a cardboard it's a cardboard cut out. Yeah, 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.720 but no, it happens where people impersonate others all the 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:24.040 time because adoration feels wonderful. YEA true. It's a good 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:25.640 way to get you know what, if you're a guy. 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:29.920 It really it does kind of serve a very base need. 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:34.840 Yeah need, need, wont want desire, let's say desire. Apparently 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.520 they did get along though, because they did spend several 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.120 hours talking and yeah in the club and then the 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:42.920 guy had a glass of champagne and he kept trying 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.960 to get her to drink it and yeah, really seriously, 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.920 that's like that that catchy yeah rufi, that's the first 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.920 thing that pops into my impersonating somebody famous and here 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:59.200 drink this drink drinking I only have one of these drinks. You. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.040 If you're gonna drink a drink, it's got to be this, 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.080 I mean not the other thing, right is especially like 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:05.480 it's one thing to be like, I'll let me get 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.480 you a drink. Oh I have this glass stream change 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:08.960 do you want to know, Okay, I'll drink it. What 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:10.959 do you want? Or over the course of the night, 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:12.840 a couple of different glasses of the champagne, but to 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.080 be like, here's this one glass, drink it. Yeah, apparently, 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.959 and he was sensible enough to not take it when 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.559 she hadn't actually seen the glass, being you know, booze 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:26.000 obviously smart girl. Yeah yeah, so yeah, so she didn't 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:30.120 get roofing. Uh. And she also I didn't mention Danny 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:31.960 was a swimmer. She was a good swimmer, and she 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.120 swammed regularly at a pool in Edinburgh. And this Martin 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.680 Leslie guys showed up on December one unexpectedly at the 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.040 pool where she was swimming. I don't know that there's 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.120 anything sinister about that. Again, she probably mentioned to him 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.320 that she swam at this particular pool, and he probably 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:47.480 just wanted to come by and look at her in 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.240 her swimsuit. And well, I mean, or she mentioned offhand 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.640 that she swim at this particular pool. But that's the 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.160 only he didn't you get a phone number or anything 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.160 like that, and you wanted to talk to her again, 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.760 and that was the only way, Yeah, that's possible getting 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:04.400 con tact with her. Yeah, he's looking like maybe that's suspicious. Well, no, 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.920 I mean dual purpose, right, I mean this guy probably 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.840 wanted to see her in a swim series. I'm not 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:14.840 trying to figure out how you overcome. Oh and by 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.880 the way, I totally lied to you about who I am. 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.200 Now that I'm here at the pool, I don't know 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.640 if that lie had to ever have been overcome. Oh 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.000 you're thinking that he might have tried to stay in character, 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.480 that he continued the ruse, or even maybe he should 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.319 be going to the place, you know, somebody works out 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:37.720 at to meet them again, and staying in in character 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.280 seems like quite a length. You don't really have to 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:45.200 stay in character. You're just Martin Leslie rugby player, you know. Yeah, 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.480 I mean if she's never met Martin Leslie, Yeah, it 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:52.200 seems like it seems like a stretch and focusing on something. 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.680 It's also two thousand five, and it's not as though, 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.560 I mean, the internet is a thing, right, But it's 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.520 not as though, you know, everybody's immediate impulses to go 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.800 out and google this person and learn everything about them, 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.280 you know. So it's it's quite possible that she hadn't 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.160 done any research that he was still easily passing. Yeah, 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.120 she actually in her apartment she did not have an 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.000 internet connection. That was not so it was not a typical, 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:21.080 especially I mean in England or I'm sorry, in Europe 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.760 in two thousand five. So she would go to internet 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.200 cafes and so you know, she it's one of those 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.360 deleos or if she had limited time in the computer, 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.240 she had better things to do than look up Martin Leslie. Yeah. Probably. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.880 And let's let's talk to about Andie's last day. That 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:40.560 would have been December December third, Yeah, her last So 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.680 he went to the sorry not to really at home, 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.880 but he went to there or the pool, the pool 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.680 the two days before, two days before she disappeared. Yeah, exactly. 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.440 Her last setting in Edinburgh was at one fifteen when 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.840 she left her apartment, although the timing of that has 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.040 been called into question because she couldn't have gotten to 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.000 the Glasgow Central station where she actually showed up a 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.760 two fifteen and she had left that late apparently what 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.320 I hear. Yeah, there's all kinds of timeline problems with this, 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:14.240 but there's also problems where the time was recorded by 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.760 her bank in the time zone the bank was in yeah, 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:21.000 which is an hour earlier than Yeah, exactly. So I 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:22.800 just want to say that, so there's people will listen 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:26.520 to this, they understand that. And yeah, the things we 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:30.120 can probably count on our like CCTV and yeah, and 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.680 and the Glasgow Central station where the A t M 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.520 recorded the time she tried to make a withdrawal. Um, 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:41.280 yeah she tried to twice. Yeah, she had insuficient funds. 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:45.000 And so was that I mean, is that something that 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.200 strikes people as odd or is that not surprising to 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:53.360 people generally? It's not necessarily surprisingly. Yeah, well she was unemployed. 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.520 I mean that's that's forget. So funds were probably a 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.160 little short, but she she had she wasn't a habit. 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.400 She carried this thing called Filo Facts, which was basically 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.000 like a day planner. Yeah, she have one of those. Yeah, 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:04.880 I mean I don't have one of those. You don't 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.280 have one of those? Okay, Yeah, so she kept money 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:09.840 in there. She was found when they found out she 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.200 had money on her I assumed in her pocket, her 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.080 pants pockets or something. She was just trying to take 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.160 out more than she wanted. She wanted some more money 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:20.400 for some reason. Yea, Um, it's it's believed that she 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.880 hopped onto the two thirty train to Prestwick from Glasgow 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.240 and her next sighting is at three fifteen on a 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.720 close circuit TV camera. There's an overhead walkway that connects 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.040 the Prestwick railway station with the Prestwick airport because there's 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.720 a four lane carriageway in between the two. And is 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.800 that that's and that's the typical travel time for like 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:44.000 that right about an hour? Okay? Ask you? Is that 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.600 the timetable never made sense to me because when I 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:51.200 looked at up from where she lived and maybe you know, 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.440 maybe it's just that traffic was being taken into consideration 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.800 when I did this search, but it was by car, 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.400 it was over an hour and a half trip and 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:09.360 from where she lived to where she would to the airport, Okay, Yeah, 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.680 So that was always there was always a bit of 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.480 of hinky nous with this timetable because she is, well, 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.040 if she's getting on the train, um, the train takes 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:23.720 even longer though, right, but in Glasgow from Glasgow to Prestwick, 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.879 how long does it take from Glasgow to Prestwick by car? 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.480 According to the what I ran, it was an hour 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:37.400 and forty minute. Yeah, and it was almost three hours 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.600 by bus and two and a half hours by train, 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.159 and she was reported to have known she didn't have 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.960 a way to get there by car. So I bring 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:48.760 this up because I don't have an answer to it. 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.199 But this always struck me as odd, is that she 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.400 leaves from Glasgow and then she goes she goes all 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.800 the way over to press Wick, which is on the coast, 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.240 on the West coast, and it seems like it was 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:06.639 a long way. According to the Glasgow Presswick Airport website UM, 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:10.640 from Glasgow Central Station to the airport UM, the train 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.720 time is fifty minutes, but if you were looking from 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.280 where she was living, it would have taken much longer. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.440 That's what that's where I'm looking from, right, So it 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.800 would have taken much longer because she it also took 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.000 her that hour to commute from where she was living 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:27.400 to the Glasgow Central station. She was seen leaving at 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.800 one fifteen and she didn't get to Glasgow until two 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:34.639 thirty to fifteen, so then it probably counted for that 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:36.560 time as well, which would make sense for the our 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.199 forty travel time. Right if she went by car, if 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.399 she went by car directly from the place she was living. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:45.520 And part of the weirdness with this timetable is the 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.239 person at her apartment who said they saw her at 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.240 a certain time. We don't we don't know if that's 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.080 actually solved. Yeah, that's not solid. But I would say 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:59.200 that the timetable from Glasgow to Presswick makes sense via train. 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.920 But I I would agree that if I looked it 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.359 up from where she was living in Edinburgh, it would 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:09.840 take probably that long at least. Yeah, So anyway, we 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:15.520 have many mysteries here. But she's arriving at the airport. 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.080 It's cut at three fifteen on the overhead and then 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.600 she from the walkway, you go down an escalator and 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.920 into the main terminal. Terminal is kind of long, kind 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.320 of east west, and uh, she's captured at three sixty 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.399 and fifty five seconds later coming out the other end 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.560 of the terminal. That this is This has cost a 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:35.840 little bit of head scratching because and I think it 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.840 might just be that the that the the timers or 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:40.639 the clocks in the in the city are just a 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.439 little bit off. But yeah, they're saying she would have 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:45.840 had to have gotten all gone all the way down 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.359 the escalator and through the terminal in fifty five seconds 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.720 and apparently she could not have done that unless she 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.439 was running, which she might have been doing. Um, you 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:57.479 see people running an airports all the time, although it's 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.000 it's not as recommended a thing to do these days 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.199 as it used to be. And usually you see them 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:06.240 running through security right like after they've gotten through security, 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:11.000 because they're running from to make their connections. Yeah, that 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.600 seems less likely. And as I mentioned at three sixty, 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.960 she's captured again at CCTV TV footage coming out of 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.920 the terminal where there is a short term parking lot 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.000 car park to you Brits h and three minutes later 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.880 caught on the same camera coming back into the terminal, 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.320 heading back the way she came. So she spent three 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:32.560 minutes in the parking lot. Did she have a luggage 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.560 with her? Yeah? She had. She had I think a 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.440 shoulder bag and another bag, but not like a roller bag, 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:44.160 nothing like that, just to kind of day bags or something. Yeah, 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:46.879 it's it's apparent to me that she I think she 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.720 may be meant to go back to Sweden. Was everybody 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.440 ticket but she didn't stay in the airport. Yeah, according 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:56.440 to and his friend theory. Yeah, but anyway, she apparently 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.800 on the tape looked angry and again nobody knows why. 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:02.600 And at three twenty she's captured on a video again 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:05.320 getting back onto the walkway back over to the trail 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.160 the train station. Uh so she spent a grand total 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.639 of five minutes in the airport, three of it in 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.919 the parking lot, and then just left without buying a ticket, 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.080 because that's presumably what she would have been there to do, 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.119 buy a ticket and catch her flight, but apparently she 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:20.399