WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Andy Kaufmans greatest joke? 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.520 Thinking Sideways. It is not brought to you by Crawfish Boxing. 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.760 Instead is supported by the generous contributions of people like you, 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.160 our listeners on Patreon. Visit patreon dot com slash Thinking 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:22.599 Sideways to learn more Thinking Sideways. I don't think you 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:29.720 never know the stories of things. We simply don't know 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:34.960 the answer too. Well. Hey there, and welcome again to 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:39.320 another episode of Thinking Sideways. As always, I'm Steve, joined 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:43.160 of course by Devin and Joe, and once again we've 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.560 got a mystery. What yeah we do it's a pretty 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:48.920 scary one too. Well, no it isn't. But you know 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.160 what the thing is, I had so much fun last 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.760 week or not last week, last time that I hosted 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:58.400 doing a wrestling episode. I've been decided we do another one. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:00.800 Seems like it's been a million years and we did 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.960 that episode. Really does, because in our world it's been 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:08.760 a month. Yeah, yeah, three weeks. Okay, Well, we're not 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:10.880 actually gonna do a wrestling story, well a little bit. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.360 It's kind of kind of a wrestling story. We are 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:19.240 this week for anyone who has Devin would say, didn't 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:23.319 read the episode title, going to be talking about Mr 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:28.600 Andy Kaufman and you might say, well, why, Well, the 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:34.319 mystery is is Andy Kaufman really dead or not? Because 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:36.720 he's one of those people who has had sightings of 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:41.080 him four years. I like Andy a little more than 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.600 I like Elvis at times. I'm okay with that. I'm 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:47.600 gonna get so much hate mail for saying sorry, I'm sorry. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.559 So let me give everybody just the quick, real brief 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.240 version and then we'll get into some details. So brief 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.920 introduction to Andy Kaufman. Uh. He was a comedian. He 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.440 had his career was in the nineteen seven and these 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.840 the late seventies, mid to late and then the early eighties, 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.800 and he is known for being a character on the 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:12.160 TV show Taxi. He died at thirty five of a 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.800 very rare form of lung cancer on sixteenth of May. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.720 But because of all of the stunts and the crazy 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.400 things that he had done over the years, a lot 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:28.120 of people really didn't believe that he had really died. 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.240 They were sure that it was a prank. Well he was, 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.160 I mean, he was known as the guy who would 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.320 take a joke a little too far. I think a 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:41.079 little is an understand I'm trying to be generous. I 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.800 don't want to say bad things about dead people. Oh no, no, 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.799 there's nothing bad. And he took jokes way too far 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.560 to the degree he like he took it to when 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.560 it stopped being funny and then kept going and then 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:58.800 eventually started being funny again. There's a really interesting radio 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.040 Lab I'm sorry to digress for a second, really really 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.079 interesting radio lab episode about this, in which I encountered 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.040 one of my favorite comedians in the entire world for 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.240 the very first time ever. Her name is Kristin shaw 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.600 which you you all know her. She's got the voice. 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:16.760 You know who she is. She's She's Louise on Bobsberger's. Yeah. Anyways, 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.040 they did this show called Christian Shawl Is a Horse 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.639 where it was him and I'm sorry, it was her 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:25.240 and a male comedian on stage, and literally he would 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.320 just go, oh, Kristin Shawl is a horse. Kristin Shawl 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.320 is a horse, like for fifteen minutes straight while she 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.880 danced around on stage. And it's that's progression. It's a 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.680 very well studied thing now where it's like it's funny 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.640 for a minute and then it's not funny, and then 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:42.880 it's really not funny, and then it's hilarious. Again, just 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.800 like this story I just told it is and thank 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.760 you for sharing, Devin, welcome. I don't know how to 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.880 follow that, So we're just gonna start talking some more 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.840 about Andy Coffin, as I briefly mentioned, started his act 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:01.880 in the seventies, starting comedy clubs, and he wasn't always 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:06.600 that well received. He, as we had briefly mentioned, he 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.280 his style of comedy was different and it was not 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.960 what people were used to, and it really really put 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:15.920 people off, because I mean, we've all been to a 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.479 comedy show. The typical thing is a comedian gets up 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.840 there and he does his stick of jokes and for 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.479 five ten minutes whatever his time is, and then he 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.360 gets down and he leaves the stage. And he didn't 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.120 really think of himself as a comedian, No, he didn't. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:35.640 He was more of a It was performance artist, performance artists, 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.159 thank you, Joe. That is exactly it. It was art. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.080 And so Andy would get up there and he would 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.080 do very weird things that people didn't know how to 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.560 do how to react to. Um, so let's give an 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.359 example that Let's actually give a Kaufman example here, which 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.960 would be the character known as foreign Man. Yeah, which 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.760 if you've ever seen. Taxis basically the same character lat 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.520 The character he played was Lacka, and it was based 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.200 on the foreign man character, absolutely right. So here's what happens. 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.159 Uh Andy as foreign man would walk up on skate 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.840 stage and he'd be rather nervous and moving his hands 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.599 around and flailing and looking at the crowd wide eyed. 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.799 And then when he spoke, he had this weird, clipped 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:24.800 accent that nobody recognized, in this kind of high pitched voice, 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.440 and it was funny, and he would tell everybody that 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:33.000 he was originally from Caspar, which was an island in 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.839 the Caspian Sea. Both his accent and that place are 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.919 made up, of course, and then he would go on 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:46.600 to tell jokes and they were terrible because he intentionally 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.719 told the joke wrong, like he didn't get what how 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:55.839 a joke worked, and the audience would at first kind 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.719 of h and then people would get angry and they'd 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:01.440 start aren't too boo, And then other people in the 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.000 crowd would start to say shut up and trying to 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.960 defend him, and he would keep doing stuff. He would say, well, 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.480 um in his funny accent, which I'm not going to 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.440 try to replicate because I can't pull it off. He 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.359 would try to then say I'll do it. I'll do 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.040 an impression for you in his funny little accent, and 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.280 he would say, I'm going to be I don't know, 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.080 let's just say Lyndon Johnson. And then he would turn 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.120 around and he would turn back to the mic and 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.479 in the exact same voice and accent, say hello, I 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:36.720 am Lyndon Johnson. And of course people would laugh at 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.800 the first one. And he would do three of these 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.480 or four of these at a time, and by this 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.880 time the crowd it's just kind of losing it because 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.520 they just don't know what's going on. Well, it's funny 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.560 because it's so absurd, but it's also bad comedy and 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.720 paid to get into a comedy club. You get angry 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.279 because this guy looks like he's bombing. He's bombing in 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.160 the worst sort of way, and he doesn't he even 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.200 get it. And then he would say, wait, I'll be 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.320 Elvis Presley. I'm gonna do an impression of Elvis, and 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.359 he would turn around and they would start the music 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.400 that actually start the music for Elvis, and he would 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.480 really quick His hair was always kind of slicked back 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.240 in this weird style, and he would pop his collar up, 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:22.400 he'd brush his hair real fast while looking away from 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.360 the audience, and then just before the lyrics hit, he 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:31.120 would turn around and he would do a dead on Elvis. 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:35.400 He could sing and sounded really close to Elvis, and 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:39.280 the crowd would lose their mind because it's like, holy crap, 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.280 this is amazing. And then the song would end and 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.480 he would immediately flip back into the foreign man voice 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.880 and accent and say thank you very much and be 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:53.600 done and just leave. This sounds very familiar. Like there 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.160 there's at least one comedian right now that I can 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:02.480 think of that does comedy like this. Yes, that is 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.800 a great example. Borat Borat is the modern equivalent of 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:12.400 Andy Kaufman's foreign man character. Yeah, that is a character too. 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:17.640 I couldn't And what was a movie? Yeah, yeah, okay, 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:24.800 named after the char See here's the thing. Guys, guys 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:29.000 like Sasha Bary Cohen and Andy Kaufman, they committed to 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:35.079 a character. And Kaufman did not break character. Almost never 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.319 do you see him break character. He doesn't crack up. 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.920 He's so wholeheartedly committed because that's his performance art. He's 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.680 making art. And I didn't think. Here's the thing about 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:47.520 him too, is that he was so into his characters. 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.880 He was actually a non drinker and a vegetarian. Yeah, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.400 but what he was if his character ate meat and 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:57.000 drank booze, then you're talking about Tony Clifton, who we're 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.760 going to talk about later. Yeah, the character, and yeah 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:05.400 he was. He was amazing and uh, he was also 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.680 really weird. I will say this right now. I think 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.920 Coffman's a weird dude. I also think that he was 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.960 a creative genius in his own way, like the things 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.920 he came up with. What you're saying, Okay, is he 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.520 or is You're right? I apologize spoilers. He in his 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:28.920 performances was a creative genius and could continue to be 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.280 today if indeed he is still alive and performing and 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:37.600 possibly performing. But you know, as we talked about he, 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.880 uh you know we said this several times. There was 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.600 the performance, aren't He's quoted Blants is saying, quote, I'm 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.160 not trying to be funny. I just want to play 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.920 with their heads. So he really did just want to 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.720 mess with the ADDI I think there there's definitely a 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.839 group of people. I think I'm kind of one of 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.440 these people on a lot of different levels. But you know, 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:01.600 to me, being funny isn't so much that other people 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.080 laughing are laughing. It's as long as I think it's hilarious, right, 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.480 And so if I, if I or you know, Andy 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.960 are kind of pulling the wool over someone's eyes in 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.360 a hilarious way, that's extra funny to me, versus you know, 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.320 everybody else is laughing. But I'm kind of like, I 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.520 know this joke, you know, inside it out, and it's 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.400 kind of lame. Well that that kind of joke though, 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.800 going up on stage and telling the same yo mama joke, 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.880 you know, five nights a week, it's it's no fun. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.120 But going up and pulling the wool over people's eyes 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:35.079 and getting them all to react in crazy different ways, 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.640 that's gotta be just so gratified, absolutely, absolutely apparently like 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.400 he really did, because over the years he, as I said, 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.400 he pulled so many pranks and so many hoaxes and 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.000 so many gags on people, and he took them to 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:56.600 such a degree that people no longer knew what reality was. 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.360 An example, this is not a couchman example, but this 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.360 is the kind of same reaction and maybe we've talked 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.160 about this before, but was it Alan fund Fund? Yes, 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.880 thank you, Alan Fund. So he did Candy Camera, and 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:14.160 people began to realize that when he was around, there 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.000 was a camera going on and a gag was happening. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.680 And he gets on an airplane and this was Joe 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.080 do you remember this. It was in the seventies. He 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.520 gets on an airplane and this was the thing at 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:30.920 the time. The airplane got hijacked and they said, fly 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:35.240 us to Cuba, and the passengers on board are all 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.720 kind of nervous until one person realizes that Funt is 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:44.160 on the plane. Fund it's candy camera. Where do you 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.720 guys have the camera? He's like, no, it's not a joke. 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:49.400 It's not a joke. It's not a joke. Called and 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.160 cut it out there. They're serious, the real guns. Everybody's like, 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:58.600 this is like the whole plane is laughing on their 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:06.200 way to Havannah. But but yeah, it was. That's the 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.680 kind of thing, like he had done this so much 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.960 that nobody believed him when he told the truth, and 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.360 that happened with Kaufman. Nobody believed him when he would 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:18.000 say things like, oh, you're making this up. You're totally 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:22.520 making this up. He just did such crazy stuff that, 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:27.360 having been said, were the fun really? I mean he 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.480 had one he had one bit not was it, But Kaufman, 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.880 he had a whole slew of him, which brings us 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:38.040 right now we're already through the story because as I said, 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:42.120 he died in nobody believes he died, or a bunch 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.160 of people didn't believe at the time that he had 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:48.199 actually died. So we have two very simple theories. Is 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:53.360 Kaufman deadman alive or you know, his Kaufman dead but 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:57.559 at a different date possible. I roll that into the 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.880 Andy Kaufman is alive because that means he faked his death. Okay, 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:06.760 either he faked his death or he really really I 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:08.679 think he probably faked his death. And then he was 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.280 probably planning and coming back after God spoilers, and then 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.880 and then what happened is he's like he was all 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.360 making his plans to to make his comeback, you know, 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.320 about a year, and he get run over web bus 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.120 and I think, you guys, this is probably his last 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.360 thought was like, you know, oh this sucks, but god, 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:33.000 I love the Irony's actually probably okay, So let's go 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.840 into thirty one, which is that Andy Coffin really did 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.800 die in there are people who believe this. There's a 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.760 lot of people who believe that because officially, and this 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.080 is I pulled up his death by the way, because 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.080 you can find this on the smoking gun. He died 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:52.959 of renal failure caused by metastasized large cell lung carcinoma, 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:57.400 also known as lung cancer, on the sixteenth of May 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.440 four at Seniors Sinai Medical Center in Los Ange, Dualists. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.960 He was diagnosed in November of nine three. He'd had 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.800 a persistent cough and he finally went into the doctor 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.920 and they finally figured out what was going on, and 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.600 they gave him radiation therapy, but that didn't really do 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:21.520 anything because tat size cancers spread, they're moving around. Well, 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.640 that's it, the lung lung cancer like it goes like everywhere. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.960 My dad had lung cancer and he got into his liver, 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.880 as bladder, his brain, right, and that's what happened to Andy. 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:34.080 Is the same thing. And so Andy he also believed 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.479 in natural medicine. He was really big in the meditation 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.280 and transit transcendentalism. Is that the no, that's not the 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.280 right one. He was really into the spiritual side of 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.720 things and the belief that the brain could cure a 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.480 lot of things. So he did these natural medicines and 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:54.120 these natural diets with his vibrations and yes, and his 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.040 aura and all of that kind of stuff. He was 0:14:56.120 --> 0:15:00.480 trying to fix it um and the radiation and didn't 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.160 do any good. It didn't just couldn't take it out. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.080 So what does he do? He? Uh, he starts following 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.720 what a lot of people would consider fringe medicine, to 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.400 the point that he actually went to the Philippines in 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:19.560 I believe it was four months after he had been 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:25.640 been diagnosed, and he underwent psychic surgery. I think it 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.720 was six weeks. He went under the psychic knife for 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.480 six week periods and we stopped all of his Western 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:36.880 medications and he seemed to be fine. As soon as 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:41.400 he came back home, he immediately started going downhill um 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:46.280 and and at that point he then passes away. Okay, Well, 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.040 the reading I've done says that Kaufman had an open casket, 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.400 and I believe that to be true because there are 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:59.920 many many sources that this is terrible and Andy kind 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.520 have brought this out in people, But people went to 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.000 the funeral, and they went to pay their respects at 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:09.560 the casket and they were poking the body, like, Hey, Andy, 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:13.480 I know it's a gag, stand up your jerk, come on, Like, yeah, 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:17.080 I gotta say that. Usually they don't have open coffin 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.720 funerals for people who died of cancer because you really 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.640 do look like hell, and he did look like hell. 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:24.400 There was there was a report of him being at 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.840 a show with his girlfriend a month or several months prior, 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.560 and because of the radiation, he was losing his hair, 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.480 so he had his head shaved in the mohawk, which 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.320 I think is awesome. But he's also wearing this kind 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:39.120 of weird leather outfit. But he was so amaziated that 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.560 it was hanging on him. And that's when the world 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:48.000 really kind of oh, oh, he might sort of maybe 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.280 be actually be sick. He might be telling the truth. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:56.720 Either that or he's really committed to this. Yeah. Um 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:01.480 so yeah. But apparently people were poking the body, so 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.639 that leads me to believe that it truly was open 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.679 and they thought he was just playing sick joke on. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:12.719 Kaufman was laid to rest in Beth David's cemetery. You 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.720 can actually go on Let's find a Grave dot com. 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.960 I think is the website that that's the famous one. Yeah, 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.359 where you can find all the famous people and you 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.880 can see his headstone. It's there, so it's not like 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.040 he's mysteriously disappeared. Yeah, but if I were going to 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.760 pull it, you know I'm dead. I'm not gonna. I 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.680 understand that that did people fans go by there and 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.240 leave graffiti, like to do with Jim Morrison's grave. I 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.840 have no idea, to be honest with you, I have 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.400 no idea. If they just stand there and do their 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.520 their mon monologues, I have no Most fans probably just 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:54.320 think he isn't actually there anyway. So um so let's 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.920 let's go ahead in this theory. We're gonna go ahead 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:00.360 and move towards statements and things that were said people 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.680 who knew Andy closest. The first one is going to 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.919 be his brother. Is this to support the fact that 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.359 he actually died? Yes, this isn't We're in the theory 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:12.800 that Andy Kaufman actually did die. So this is I'm 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:21.680 submitting my evidence, prosecutor barrister. I don't know Michael did it. 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:25.080 Kind of both ways. Okay, let let me let me 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:26.800 run this through joke, because I know where you're heading 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:30.639 with that. Some things I think caught Michael off guard 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:34.480 and he got caught up in them. But he has 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:38.560 always said for many, many years that he believed that 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.760 his brother had died and was positive he knew his 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.119 brother has died. Now believed he knew his brother had died, 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:49.000 except that several years back, I actually think it was 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.879 in he said a man approached him with a note 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.919 and gave him a note, and the note was supposedly 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.240 from Andy, and supposedly looked like it was Andy's hand writing, 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.680 saying meet me at this diner at a certain date 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.160 and time, because that's before I'm going to come back 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.000 and reveal that the whole thing was a prank to 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.640 the world where he went and and he never showed. 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.080 And then a few years later, some woman came forward 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:20.520 to him and she started saying that she was Andy's 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.560 daughter now, and he did have a daughter. He had 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.680 a daughter. I think she was born in nineteen sixty nine, 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.040 But this girl was saying that she was twenty four 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.800 years old after he died, which would have made it 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.680 meant that she was conceived and born after Andy died, 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:39.560 absolutely right, and that he had left Hollywood, and one 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:41.920 of his reasons to do that was to raise her, 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.760 except that it was very quickly found out that the 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.960 logic of the math doesn't work, um and be um. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:56.120 She was an actress, her parent lineage was very well known. 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:00.240 People very quickly figured out who her father was. Actually 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:04.080 have a real father, yea. So that whole thing went sideways. 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.280 And I thought I had heard somewhere that Michael, Andy's brother, Michael, 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.040 had actually recruited her to do to play this role. 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:15.440 I read that too, I have to Michael has always 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:18.240 asserted that he didn't do it. The story I think 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:22.960 you're talking about is that, according to her, she met 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.720 him in an art gallery and he said, oh, you 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:28.720 kind of look like you could be part of my family. 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.920 Well let's do this thing. YadA, YadA, YadA. He has 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:35.159 always attested that that is not really what happened, and 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:39.320 that she came to him saying who she was, and 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:44.200 then he fell for it. He has since always since 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.000 gone back to the Andy Kaffin died and I know 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:50.840 my brother's dead own not I mean not to speak 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.480 ill of anyone, but I bet he got some money 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:57.760 from the like media. No, no, this that this thing 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:02.080 went south and her really fact, maybe he was trying 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.920 to get some money from the media. I don't know. Well, 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:11.600 it's a good point because there is the Andy Kaufman Award, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.600 or it's not the Andy Kaufman Award. What is there's 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.240 a comedy award thing that they do that is in 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:22.240 his name, and that's when she that's when she showed 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.720 up with her allegations. Correct, she showed up on stage 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:29.240 at that and so it is possible that it was 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.719 a way to generate publicity for the event or for 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:36.520 her or for her I don't know. The The interesting 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.560 thing is as a lot of people think this is 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.439 gonna make my career, and that tends to tank their career. 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:48.680 She is I've not found anything about her since, so 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.040 she just kind of disappeared. She got blacklisted. Yeah, I 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.040 can see why. Yeah. Let's move to the next character 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:59.840 in this theory, which would be Bob Zamuda. Would you 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:03.400 real real human being? Real human being? He uh. He 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:07.560 was actually Andy's right hand man. They worked together, they 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:11.639 were co creators together. They made a lot of the 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:16.880 skits and the gags and and masterminded a lot of it, 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:19.040 and it took over one of one of Andy's characters 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:24.200 at some point, right, right, So they worked together for years. 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:30.199 And the problem with Simuna is that he's not a 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.480 trustworthy character because he was in on all the gags 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:35.879 and he goes back and forth. He changes the story 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:39.120 a lot. He said no and he really died. No, 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.200 and he's really alive and he's hiding somewhere in Arizona. No, 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.520 and he really died No, and he's really alive and 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:48.959 he's hiding somewhere in Mexico. I. Yeah, there, That is 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.399 one of the most recent sightings that came up. But 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:55.840 so he um, he is really a hard one, just 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:59.760 because he switches his story up and changes camps all 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:03.080 the time. Yeah. Yeah, at one point switched over and 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.520 made that wrote a book about how Andy's coming back. Right. 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.439 He's written more than one book, Joe, I only heard 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.200 about the one he's Yeah, we'll talk about his most 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:13.840 recent book here in just a minute. But he's written 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:18.119 some uh. To be honest, that the Kaufman family doesn't 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:23.720 really like him that much. They Andy Kaufman's dad, for many, 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.960 many years, tried to broke her peace with everybody who 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:30.080 was involved with Andy, and you did you, either of 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:35.080 you guys watched the Jim Carrey movie Man on the Moon. Okay, 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:38.320 it's it's based it's a movie about Andy Kaufman. It's 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:41.119 actually a fun, entertaining movie. I laughed out loud, and 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:43.119 it's one of the few times that I didn't mind 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:47.160 watching Courtney Love on screen. Well and you know, speaking 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:52.520 of actually crazy people. Yeah, so yeah, it's not a 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:55.399 bad movie. Well, what Andy's dad did is he he 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.800 tried to bring Bob in to kind of fill in 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:03.440 some gaps and get some of the story. And Bob 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:07.480 then began to exert his influence in his opinions on 0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.760 thing to the point that it really it pushed the 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.720 family out. And the family has said that the movie 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:18.639