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Speaker 1: never know the stories of things. We simply don't know

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Speaker 1: the answer too. Well. Hey there, and welcome again to

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Speaker 1: another episode of Thinking Sideways. As always, I'm Steve, joined

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Speaker 1: of course by Devin and Joe, and once again we've

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Speaker 1: got a mystery. What yeah we do it's a pretty

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Speaker 1: scary one too. Well, no it isn't. But you know

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Speaker 1: what the thing is, I had so much fun last

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Speaker 1: week or not last week, last time that I hosted

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Speaker 1: doing a wrestling episode. I've been decided we do another one.

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Speaker 1: Seems like it's been a million years and we did

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Speaker 1: that episode. Really does, because in our world it's been

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Speaker 1: a month. Yeah, yeah, three weeks. Okay, Well, we're not

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Speaker 1: actually gonna do a wrestling story, well a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of kind of a wrestling story. We are

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Speaker 1: this week for anyone who has Devin would say, didn't

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Speaker 1: read the episode title, going to be talking about Mr

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Speaker 1: Andy Kaufman and you might say, well, why, Well, the

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Speaker 1: mystery is is Andy Kaufman really dead or not? Because

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Speaker 1: he's one of those people who has had sightings of

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Speaker 1: So let me give everybody just the quick, real brief

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Speaker 1: introduction to Andy Kaufman. Uh. He was a comedian. He

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Speaker 1: had his career was in the nineteen seven and these

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Speaker 1: TV show Taxi. He died at thirty five of a

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Speaker 1: But because of all of the stunts and the crazy

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Speaker 1: They were sure that it was a prank. Well he was,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was known as the guy who would

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Speaker 1: there's nothing bad. And he took jokes way too far

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Speaker 1: Lab I'm sorry to digress for a second, really really

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Speaker 1: interesting radio lab episode about this, in which I encountered

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Speaker 1: which you you all know her. She's got the voice.

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Speaker 1: You know who she is. She's She's Louise on Bobsberger's. Yeah. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: like this story I just told it is and thank

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Speaker 1: about Andy Coffin, as I briefly mentioned, started his act

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Speaker 1: Andy Kaufman's foreign man character. Yeah, that is a character too.

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Speaker 1: He was actually a non drinker and a vegetarian. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was actually in the hospital when Andy passed away,

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00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: but Bob was in or I'm sorry, not Bob. George

427
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: Shapiro was in on almost everything that Andy was up.

428
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: He was his manager. Yeah, you would need your manager

429
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: to be in yeah, you need your manage her to

430
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: back you up and help you out fake death certificate

431
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah. So Shapiro has always said, no, no,

432
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: he actually passed away, and I would know. I would

433
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: have been running this whole thing. So no, I'm sorry,

434
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: but it's it's he's really gone. We got one last

435
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: person in this theory, which is going to be Andy's girlfriend,

436
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: Lynn Margolis. Lynn and Andy had been together for about

437
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: a year before he passed away, and she has always

438
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: maintained that it's not a stunt, it's not a gag.

439
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: And this is something that we were just about to

440
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: touch on earlier, which is Bob's Moods, latest book. She

441
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: co authored it. Although I'll be honest, I didn't read

442
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: the book. I read a lot of reviews and a

443
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: lot of synopside of it. And it's very strange because

444
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 1: whereas Bob goes back and forth about the fact that

445
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: Andy might or might not have died and then kind

446
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: of semi settles on he did, she spends this weirdo

447
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: story about how, oh, yeah, no, Andy actually died, but

448
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: by the way, and he was bisexual, and he didn't

449
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: die of cancer, he died of AIDS. I don't. I

450
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: guess I don't understand why you think that's a bizarro story.

451
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: And I know that my sarcasm is sometimes so sophisticated

452
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: that you don't understand what I'm making a joke. But

453
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm not making a joke. Okay, there's a very huge

454
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: difference between cancer, But think about the symptoms that anybody

455
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 1: had reported of him, coughing AIDS, severe weight loss. AIDS

456
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: actually leaves you. That's actually leaves you open to certain

457
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: things like cancer too. I get that. But she she

458
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: pulled it out of nowhere. It was very new and

459
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: nobody else. I mean, she was saying that Andrew was

460
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: was patrolling the Castro district looking for men, which has

461
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: never come out, and those kind of stories always come out. Yeah,

462
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: so it's kind of hard to imagine cruising around the

463
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: Castro District and not being recognized by a lot of people.

464
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: That's that's my problem is that when any of these

465
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: very famous people who were doing things trying to keep

466
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: him on the down low, suddenly the revelations come out

467
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: thirty forty years later, Well that's weird. Well, he was

468
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: a very talented character actor, so it's possible he was

469
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: just putting on a character when he was trolling for men.

470
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: But no, I mean, I think, I mean, frankly, the

471
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: idea that he had AIDS isn't so far affetched to me.

472
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: And also the fact that in the you know, eighties,

473
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: that there would be a spin to say, I know,

474
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: he died of cancer to hide the fact that he

475
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: died of AIDS in the eighties, that is also not shocking.

476
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: So I'll give you that. I won't I won't say that.

477
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: There's no way that's possible because so much stuff around

478
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: Kaufman was a spin jobs. It's genuinely I think, I'm

479
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: fairly sure. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, But

480
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: in the eighties that was still a thing that people

481
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: were saying. Even in the nineties, Oh yeah, I know

482
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: he was. He was hidden because it was quote unquote

483
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: gay disease, and so, you know, to not solely his

484
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm rolling my eyes right now what I'm saying, it's

485
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: not his legacy. Yeah, I guess, let's you know, let's

486
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: say that, you know, none of us think the less

487
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: of Andy for being gay, indeed that was the case,

488
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: or bisexual, whatever. Yeah, but his family, especially his parents

489
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: probably would have wanted to keep it hushed up. Even

490
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: a Fandy himself wasn't that secretive about it. You know.

491
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: It's I'm sure his parents would have wanted to keep

492
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: it hushed up. Now, and I will say that if

493
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: if it was that it did come about and he

494
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: was notorious for liking prostitutes, yeah, well he couldn't. I mean,

495
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: and frankly, he wouldn't have had to be bisexual to

496
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: get AIDS. That's why I'm bringing this up is I

497
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to pigeonhole it one way,

498
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: and I don't want to say anything negative to either side.

499
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: But he had a predi action to putting himself in

500
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: a very risky scenario. I mean, he totally could have

501
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: so this that That's what I've got here on on

502
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: this No more, There's there's one There's one funny thing

503
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: that I want to point out. And I'm not tories

504
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: for doing this, and people probably hate me because they

505
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: think it's my nut ship and who cares. But I

506
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: find the relationship between Andy and Lynn over time very funny.

507
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: People lament that they were soul mates and it was

508
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: this perfect relationship and YadA, YadA, YadA, and all this stuff,

509
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: and it turns out that's not the case, according to

510
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: Michael the and some other other reports that I've read

511
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: that yeah, actually they had for the last six months

512
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: both of them been complaining about the other and had

513
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: to leave. But Andy got sick and so they didn't

514
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: They didn't do anything. Yeah, I find I find it

515
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: funny though when it it gets elevated to this this level.

516
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: If you if you watch Man of the Moon, that's

517
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: one of those places where I see that happen. Well,

518
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 1: I mean again, it's like, okay, was it. They were

519
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: together for a year and for literally half they're saying, Wow,

520
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: we probably don't need to be doing this anymore. It

521
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: really means that, you know, a couple of months in

522
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: they probably were thinking, well, we don't need to do this.

523
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: But he got sick and she was like, well, I'm

524
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: going to be the jerk who weaves a dude with

525
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: cancer or aid, which is you can't do that. That

526
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: looks pretty bad. That looks pretty bad, even if it's

527
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: only been a couple of months. You know. Yeah, that's

528
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: that's kind of admirable that she you know, to me,

529
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people would be understandably that's a tough

530
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: thing to handle. We're gonna move on to theory number two,

531
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: which is that or Andy did not die at that

532
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: time and he faked his death. I think or not.

533
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: It's that he did not die at that time. If

534
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: he were still alive today, he wouldn't be that old, really,

535
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: so he'd be he was thirty five and eighty four,

536
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: he be in his sixties, the sixty seven or something

537
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, that's not that's not old. That's not

538
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: crazy old listening, it's not listen a little girl, you

539
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: sure how this? Like goes in the little you know,

540
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: Joe says, that's not ald at all, and Steve goes, yeah,

541
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: that's not that old, crazy old. You're right, it's not.

542
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: It's old, but it's not elderly. Listen. Take your piece

543
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: of taffy and stuff. Okay, okay, warm out of your pocket.

544
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: The best time. Let's let's go into this. So Eddie

545
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: had been pretty excited or pretty interested in the concept

546
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: of faking his own death. Think obsessed as the term

547
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: people used, Well, it is, but I don't know that

548
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: obsessed is. But it came up quite a few times.

549
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: And um, to get into this, you have to get

550
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: in the mindset of to a little bit, we've got

551
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: to leave the land of logic behind and just fall

552
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: into the character or the characters of Andy Kaufman to

553
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: kind of think in his realm, that's your favorite thing.

554
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: He had a different way of going about stuff. It was.

555
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: It was a strange, twisted character. I don't mean twisted

556
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: in a really ugly way, no, No, he just there

557
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: was something a little warped about Andy. I think it

558
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: was great though, absolutely so. Let's things that he did though.

559
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: I was around when Andy was around, you know, and

560
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember all of this stuff. I can't

561
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: believe how damn long ago it was. That was a

562
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: long time ago. It just doesn't seem like it's been

563
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: that long. But I mean, we were watching the so

564
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about this later. But there's a

565
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: bit where he's on Letterman, and we were watching that

566
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: Letterman bit and it's Letterman's episode for eighty two. Yeah,

567
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: he led Herman looks so young in that, and he

568
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: had so much hair, early eighties hair. I had more

569
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: hair back then too. I did too. You guys are

570
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: looking at me like I was alive. I haven't had

571
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: no hair, No, I had no hair. Okay, I didn't

572
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: did any sense of the word we talked about in

573
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: the beginning Andy's This is gonna play into some of

574
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: the stuff we're talking about in a moment. But we

575
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: had talked about Andy's um foreign man character, and I

576
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: want to tell you some of the things that he

577
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: would do with that character, because that's going to help

578
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: us flow through this. So when um Andy got big enough,

579
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: of course, in I think it was nineteen seventy nine,

580
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: because Taxi ran for five years, so seventy eight or

581
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: seventy nine Taxi started vent or seventy nine, and he

582
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: got brought on as the character Latka. I think he

583
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: was originally on the show. I think he was. I

584
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: thought he came out a couple of years after the

585
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: show started. No, he was. I believe he was on

586
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: it from almost the very beginning. He might have come

587
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: in a year late. I gotta be honest. I don't

588
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: have the IMDb up in front of me, and I

589
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: can't remember off the top of my head. I didn't

590
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: watch that. I didn't exactly watch that show religiously myself. Yeah,

591
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: But but the point is he came in and it uh,

592
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: it launched him into the Spotlight, and of course he

593
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: was then able to go around and do tours and

594
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: have comedy shows. And again we're talking about what do

595
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: people expect. They expect you to go up on stage

596
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: and tell your jokes and do all your stuff. Yeah, exactly,

597
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't do that. I mean he uh so

598
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: one of the things that he would do with the

599
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: foreign man character, and this is actually what he did

600
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: when he showed up on Saturday Night Live in ve Is.

601
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: He gets up there. At all he does is he

602
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: walks up and he's got a record player because records

603
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: were the thing then, and he starts playing the theme

604
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: to Mighty Mouse and just standing there. I remember seeing

605
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: him do that the whole time, as except for when

606
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: the chorus comes, and then he gives this super emphatic

607
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: lip sync performance of I think it's the here I

608
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: come to Save the Day line, and he just gets

609
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: into it and he just drops back into completely I

610
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: don't know what the hell is going on, just great,

611
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: he's standing there to to the riot of of the

612
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: record player, and then he's just standing there and then

613
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it goes home to save the

614
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: Day and he he left sinks and then he swings

615
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: his left arm outward and upward, and he gaze us

616
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: up into the air. That's it. I just want to say,

617
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: we can't do this for every single one. This episode

618
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: can't turn down to us. No, no, no no. But

619
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: this is fine. So the reason I bring this this

620
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: particular bit up is this is now, like I said,

621
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: and he's able to travel around and he starts going

622
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: to tours and he wants to screw with people. So

623
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: he would go to a comedy show and he would

624
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: walk out on stage and everybody would applaud and they

625
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: would be excited. And he comes out on stage. He's

626
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: wearing a jacket, and he would look at the crowd

627
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: and in a English accent, obviously faked English accent, he

628
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: would pull out a book and it would be The

629
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: Great Gatsbeat, Governor, and he would begin to read from

630
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: the Great Gatsbeat, and at first, kind of like we've

631
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: talked about, people would laugh, and then they get angry

632
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: and and he would he would respond to the crowd

633
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: in character, stop it, you know, and if you don't

634
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: quiet down, I will I shall put on the record,

635
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: at which point they would go bananas, because yes, it's

636
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: gonna be mighty mouth, and he would finally give in

637
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: and he would play the record, which was him reading

638
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: the great Yeah, oh God, which man is my soulmate?

639
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: Is hilarious and is great. But if that was all

640
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: that he had done, and this entire legend was based

641
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: upon that, that would be a weak foundation. But it's

642
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: not because there's other things. There's there's a guy who

643
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine, the guy's name is alan Abel

644
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: Able fake to his own death. Hey, he was at

645
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: a ski resort and he faked a heart attack and

646
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: like the paramedics showed up and they hauled him away

647
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and these were all people that

648
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: he had set up to come in. By the way,

649
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: alan Abel was that he was the guy that found

650
00:38:53,360 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: a decided to clothe naked animals. Yes, no, he he

651
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: He was a giant hoaxer. He was known for hoaxes.

652
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: But he pulls. He does this, and he does such

653
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: a good job that the New York Times runs an

654
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: obituary for you. Oh good. The next day he comes

655
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: out and tells everybody that he's fine and that the

656
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,479
Speaker 1: tales of his death have been grandly overstated and something

657
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: something something. Calvin watches all of this and loves it,

658
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: and Pester's able about how did he pull it off?

659
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: What details that He just trying to get every detail,

660
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: to the point that Abel didn't like him because he

661
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: was a past He kept bugging him for details on

662
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: how he did it and annoyed the crap out of

663
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: him by the way. That it will ever render an

664
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: opinion on whether Andy was dead or not. Nothing I

665
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: know of. I read a few things from him, but

666
00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: nothing was ever related to the Kaufman alive versus dead

667
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: uh conspiracy. He never actually seems to have spoken to it.

668
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: Let's talk about there's an album that came out came

669
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: out relatively recently. It's called Andy and his Grandma. Who God,

670
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: who is it that helped narrate the Bill Hayter, Bill Hayter, Okay,

671
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: she's my favorite. This is This is a series of

672
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: conversations that Kaufman had recorded on the phone unbeknownst to people.

673
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: So he's talking to his h his friends, his business

674
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: car partners. Bob Samuda is one of the people that's

675
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: on specifically on the track we're talking about. He's also

676
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: talking to some ladies of the night that he knows,

677
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: which is in the beginning of that track, which is awkward. Yes, exactly.

678
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: In the in the I Want Those Tapes track, he

679
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: and Bob talk for guys like two and a half,

680
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: three minutes maybe four, about well, what if we what

681
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: if I faked my death? And how would they go

682
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: about it? How long could they pull it off? For

683
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: these things like like he talked about it there, so

684
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: he not only had been talking about it with trying

685
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: to get the information from Able, now he's talking to

686
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: Bob and they're kind of flushing it out at least

687
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: in this one recording that we know of, if not

688
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: other conversations. We're now going to move to from that.

689
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: So we got those two bits there, We're now going

690
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: to go to the over the top character for Andy Coffin.

691
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: We we briefly mentioned him before when Joe and I

692
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: were talking, which is Tony Clifton. Yeah, I love, I

693
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: love the description that I have worked up of Tony Clifton.

694
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: Tony Clifton is Andy Kaufman's foul mouth, big geled booge,

695
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: drinking giant sunglass and black tupee wearing terrible singing lounge singer. Yeah,

696
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: he was kind of like a really bad Elvis. He

697
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: was a terrible Elvis. He was. He drank, he smoked,

698
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: he ate red meat, He badgered audiences. He was crude

699
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: and foul to everybody. The Clifton character was the exact

700
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: opposite of Andy Kaufman ors. Andy Kaufman's like his forger

701
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: Man was meek and mild and very polite. Clifton was

702
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: the opposite he was. Andy Kaufman was really a very

703
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: good actor. Yeah, yeah, I mean, particularly when you look

704
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: at the pictures just physically, I mean, he he seemed

705
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: to have made himself into a different person. He did.

706
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: He had a big guy, the Clifton. The Clifton character

707
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: would wear a suit with the ruffle front shirt and

708
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: he had giant Elvis glasses and Andy didn't really have

709
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: those gals. No, those were definitely definitely, um what is

710
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: it you know this? No, he had the mutton shots,

711
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: but then he had the the prosthetics there, the fake

712
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: the fake chin and everything make a look fast. I

713
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out if you were looking for

714
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: the specific like latex prosthetics or just latex that was

715
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: that was the word I was looking for. Though he

716
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: did this stuff and one of the this is this

717
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: is one of those things. So the Clifton character had

718
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: been around for a long time, and when Kaufman got

719
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: picked up on Taxi, he worked into his contract that

720
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: Tony Clifton could be could be on the show four

721
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: times as Tony Clifton in random episodes which would also

722
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: not have the Latka character on them, and it's in

723
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: other words, Andy Coffin's known character on now and the

724
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: studio agreed to this request. It sounds like they didn't

725
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: know who Clifton was. They he was evidently made out

726
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: to be some great, great lounge ack and it's gonna

727
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: be great except that it except Yeah, he showed up

728
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: and he was such a monumental asked to everybody, to

729
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: the point that the security showed up and they escorted

730
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: him off of the studio a lot and told him

731
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: he was you could never come back again, And then

732
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: all of the other appearances were that bit of the

733
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: contract was cut and scrubbed. Yeah, it was like, Tony

734
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: Clifton can't come back. Lock they can, right, because because

735
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: I think that at least in the beginning, they didn't

736
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: realize that Clifton was Kaufman. They didn't get it. They

737
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: didn't know it sounds like Shapiro probably knew, but the

738
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: studio didn't understand it. Um So eventually though, people do

739
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: figure out, like, wait a second, funny, and he's never

740
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: around when when Tony's around? So what do you did?

741
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: Is he got Bob's Muda to get good enough at

742
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: the character that suddenly the two could show up at

743
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: the same time, and they'd show up on stage together

744
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: and you can say, hey, it's not me that this

745
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: guy's I think he's great, but it's not me. Again,

746
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: one of those things that he just took it so

747
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: far and he worked so hard. But here's the thing

748
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: about the Clifton angle. There's a movie script I think

749
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: it was written in and bohabs A Muda and Andy

750
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: Kaufman write it, and it's called the Tony Clifton Story.

751
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: Now this thing is hard to read. Did either of

752
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: you I didn't actually find a copy of the script. Okay,

753
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: I found a copy of it, and it's effing weird.

754
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: I've read scripts before it, and a lot of them,

755
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: but I've read scripts. This thing was so far into

756
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: left field. Is somebody had converted it to Microsoft Word

757
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: and it was a hundred and twenty four pages of

758
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: absurdity where Clifton is the star character and Kaufman discovers

759
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: him and all of this weird stuff happens, and and

760
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: evidently Andy Coffin was pretty excited about the idea of

761
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: breaking the fourth wall. Either you guys heard of the

762
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: fourth wall? Yes, okay, okay, I'm just I'm just asking

763
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: because I have to ask these things. But that's when

764
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: it's when you look at the TV screen to your

765
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: audience and and then you speak to him. Yes, So

766
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: it's not I'm just frankly. You know, it's a theater,

767
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: so it's before TV. So the thing was what Coffin

768
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: like to do is he liked to try to break

769
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: the fourth wall and then twist things to bring the

770
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: viewer even farther in and re established the fourth wall

771
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: like he did these weird twists and turns. That's not weird.

772
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: The the big thing about the script, the script is weird.

773
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: What happens, though very suspiciously in this script is Tony

774
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: Clifton dies of cancer? Where did he diet? In Cedar Sinai,

775
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: exactly the place that Andy Kaufman dies four years later

776
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: of cancer. But here's my question about lung cancer. Actually,

777
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: doesn't show up in the script. Oh, it's just it's

778
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: unspecified cancer. But my question about the script is is

779
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: that do we actually know for certainty that the script

780
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: was written by Andy before Andy died? Absolutely not. Yeah,

781
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: I can't. I cannot. I cannot validate that because the

782
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: copies that I found, we're all converted copies. So it

783
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: could be that at one point somebody made it up,

784
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: or it could be that that Tony and Bob actually

785
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: did write a script, but somebody else did a little

786
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: additing to it. Indian Bob, you mean, what did I say,

787
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: Tony Clinton person percent positive to Clifton Tony and Bob

788
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: got together to a movie about Andy Kaufman. Actually, Andy

789
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: Kaufman is the character, Tony is the real guy. Yeah,

790
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: you know. I I thank you for bringing it up,

791
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: because I was going to bring that up. I have

792
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: no way to know that that's true, no way to

793
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, but that is another a little bit

794
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: of evidence that he might have faked it. Okay, we

795
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: have one more big thing that we have to talk about,

796
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: which is the big one. Would you call it to

797
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: the Kuda Graw that that's not the right one. It's

798
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: not that's okay, not, but it was this is this

799
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: is one of his greatest gags. That's that's I was

800
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: trying to think of his his best thing ever, and

801
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: this is one of his his his great characters he played.

802
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: You know, he's playing himself but but a little different.

803
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, jerk right, So here's what happened. He's the

804
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: green bastard. In UH nineteen seventy nine, Kaufman comes up with,

805
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: as we said, maybe his greatest prank ever, which is wrestling.

806
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: He shows up on Saturday Night Live. It's his ninth appearance.

807
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: By the way, remember guys, N seventy nine SNL is tiny,

808
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: it's a tiny studio. It's he bits he thing, and

809
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: he shows up in thermal underwear with black trunks on

810
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: over the top, saying that he is the world intergender

811
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: Wrestling Champion and that he will pay five hundred dollars

812
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: to any woman who can beat him at wrestling in

813
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: three minutes or less, and at that point proceeds to

814
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: just make fun of women's lib and just generally be

815
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: a chauvin his jerk. That was great. It's been pretty funny.

816
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: It's funny because in retrospect we know it's a gay

817
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: and it's really funny, but it really pissing people off.

818
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: And mobi holds some lady gets into the ring with him,

819
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: by the way, she's a plant, and he beats her

820
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: in under three minutes. Yeah, it's it's it's great to

821
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: watch this interview of him. What he's bragging about. Hell,

822
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: you know, like I totally I just totally kick their

823
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: asses every time. I like when he you know, he

824
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: does the whole uh well, you know, I don't think

825
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: women are dumb. I think women are really great at

826
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: you know, cooking and ironing, and I think they're really

827
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: good at all of that stuff. He's hitting hot buttons

828
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: because this is women's move Yeah, and this is early

829
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: eighties and he is just he's just poking fun and

830
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: hitting all the right spots. And over the course, that

831
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: wasn't his first time to wrestle a woman in the

832
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: ring in this character, and he does this character as himself,

833
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: as Andy Coffin. Over the course of four years, he

834
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: wrestles over four hundred women across the country, and in

835
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: the beginning it's pretty clear that most of those women

836
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: were plants, but later on he took it far enough.

837
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: He started just grab he would pull five women out

838
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: of the crowd. He would have the crowd vote on

839
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: which one they wanted him to wrestle, which means they

840
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: wanted to pick the biggest, baddest lady in the bunch,

841
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: and then he would wrestler and he would win. He

842
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 1: would wrestle them, and it just it was so absurd,

843
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: And he kept taking this inter gender wrestling champion thing

844
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: farther and farther, and over four years he this staff

845
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: almost every woman in the country because a lot of

846
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: people thought he was being serious, because again, as we

847
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: talked about, he never broke character. Man he was he

848
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: was willing to take it, just go on and on

849
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: and on with these gags. Yeah, and and so he

850
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: starts moving this gag in to Memphis, Tennessee, and he

851
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: starts mocking women as he had been, but then he

852
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: starts also mocking the people of Memphis, and a local

853
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: wrestler by the name of Jerry the King. Lawler takes notice,

854
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: gets a little gets upset, and starts exchanging words with Kaufman,

855
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: at which point Kaufman starts ripping on Lawler and Memphis.

856
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: He's sending videotapes. This is the age of video tapes.

857
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: He's sending videotapes telling the people of Memphis, how do

858
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: you soap? Calling it the redneck capital of the world.

859
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna imitate him, but he just he does

860
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: so many outlandish, over the top things, and he he's

861
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: he's of coursing. Well, you know whatever, Jerry Lawler, I

862
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: don't wrestle women, wrestle men. I wrestle women because I'm

863
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: the intergender champion. Except that there's a top time where

864
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: suddenly Lawlers shows up and they get into it, and

865
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: he agrees to wrestle him, and he gets him into

866
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: the ring, And of course this whole thing was a

867
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: set up from the very beginning. Yeah, Lawlers in Yeah,

868
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: so we're gonna spoil it, Lawlers, I guess it's not

869
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: really spoiler. Most people know this. Lawlers in on it

870
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: from the beginning, and he and Kaufman would sit around

871
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: and work out the lines and how the gag was

872
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: gonna go. So what happens Howler and he finally agreed

873
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: to wrestle. They get in the ring, and Kaufman runs

874
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: around the ring and circles away from Lawler until Lawler

875
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: eventually catches him and appears to knock the snot out

876
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: of him, and then deliver two pile drivers in a row.

877
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: And Kaufman is laying on the grounds. Those of us

878
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: who don't may not know what a pile driver is.

879
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: That's where you pick somebody up so their feet are

880
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: straight up in the air, their head is pointed at

881
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: the ground. You jump. The wrestler who was holding the

882
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: upside down person lands on their butt, and the person

883
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: who is upside down lands on their head. It's a

884
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: pile you're piling driving their head into the ground, and

885
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: it does two in a row. It looks it looks painful.

886
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure Lawler was a professional size I'm sure he

887
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: knew how to do it without actually hurting. Sure they

888
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: had practiced it, I'm sure. But anyway, so Kaufman injrews

889
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: his neckan Yeah, he's all on the ground, he's failing,

890
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: He's flipping around the and the paramedics show up and

891
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: they haul Andy out of the ring on a stretcher.

892
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: I was telling you two earlier that I had read

893
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: stuff from Lawler that talked about or somebody was talking

894
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: about Lawler was prancing around the ring all excited because

895
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: he was playing a part of winning, and Kaufman is

896
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: laying on the ground trying not to move his mouth

897
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: so that nobody gets it, going clawing ambulance and was going, no, right,

898
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: that's going to cost two fifty bucks all period, called

899
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: the ambulance. It'll be great for the gag, which it

900
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: was because then people really believed it. Kaufman is then

901
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: seen running around screaming about Lawlor in a neck brace

902
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: for months and months, and six months later they go

903
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: on TV they fight or six months later. Yeah, they're

904
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: they're trading insults via videotape back and forth, and this

905
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 1: is the day when the kind of WrestleMania, the wrestler

906
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,479
Speaker 1: will stand there and talk to the announcer and talk

907
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: trash and then go wrestling. Well, in fact, then it's

908
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: when it was new they first figured it out. Okay,

909
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: that's why that's not true. But um so that they're

910
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: sending these tastes back and forth, and finally there's a

911
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was if it was proffered

912
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: as a way to broker peace between the two, but

913
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: they go on the Letterman Show and there we watched

914
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: this and they're they're kind of being civil and then

915
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: it slowly starts escalating until Kaufman says something. Lawler stands

916
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: up and smacks Kaufman in the face and knocks him

917
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: out of his chair, at which point Kaufman stands up.

918
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: And the version we watched together today was edited for

919
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: foul language. Well, and we should also mention that at

920
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: this point Andy Kaufman is still wearing his neck brace

921
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: and character. Five months later and still in character. And

922
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think Letterman's live, isn't it.

923
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I thought they taped in like

924
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: in the afternoon. Maybe it's not. You know what, you're

925
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: probably I don't know if it was at that time.

926
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: That's my problem. I didn't know. What I didn't know

927
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: is I actually had never thought to look to see

928
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: if Letterman was live. But you're probably right, probably is

929
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: not was not live. But he readets out and he starts.

930
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: Kaufman freaks out and wisely and this is the great

931
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: this is the part of the love the best. He

932
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: gets on the other side of Letterman's desk and puts

933
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: Letterman between him and Lawler and starts swearing at Lawler

934
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: and saying angry. Oh, he was a good actor. He

935
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: was spinning mad foul, like's like the beeps. You know,

936
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: sometimes you hear somebody be just like beep word word,

937
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: beep word. No, this is just people sounds like Morris Code.

938
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: They're beeping him so much, and they're actually black blacking

939
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: out his face and his mouth. Apparently Letterman was not

940
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: in on it, because he's like he's cowering. Where is

941
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: cowering between the pair of them if you watch their

942
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: certain angles, and you can just see him just he's

943
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: just like, oh God, what's going to happen. And at

944
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: the end he grabs aged coffee and that Andy grabs

945
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: age coffee and throws it Lawler's face and then runs away.

946
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: Apparent you know to watch this if you haven't already.

947
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: Are are retellings are long and not quite as good

948
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: but still fun but still fun. Yeah, yeah, but you

949
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: you should watch it. But this thing is actually I

950
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: would recommend if you're going to watch this whole thing

951
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: that happened with Lawler. We may post this up, but

952
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: there is of YouTube playlist that is almost two hours

953
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: long of all of the crap that happens back and

954
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: forth between these guys, and it it is so absurd.

955
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: It is again. It's just taking the joke and never

956
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: letting it go, and it just gets funnier. And I

957
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: watched it and after a half hours, like god, I

958
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: remember to watch more. And then twenty minutes later, I

959
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: I I'm about to pee myself. I'm laughing so hard.

960
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that after the lean thing, I'm sure

961
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: Lawler and and Andy Kaufman probably got met at the

962
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: bar around the corner and had a beer together. Oh yeah, absolutely,

963
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: But they they took it so far. At one point,

964
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: U Kaufman is offering money to other wrestlers to quote

965
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: unquote take out Lawler, and then eventually he tagged teams

966
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: with another wrestler and I can't remember who it is is,

967
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:05,479
Speaker 1: but they they beat him, and then Kaufman's running around

968
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: in the crown saying he's the King of wrestling, at

969
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: which point Lawler runs out of a crowd and throws

970
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: a fireball of some kind in Kaufman's face, and they

971
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: show Kaufman in the back room all burnt up. I mean,

972
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: like they just they'd never let this. This whole thing

973
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: went on for over a year on national television. That

974
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: never broke, I know, I say, I remember when this

975
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: happened too. It makes me feel kind of old that

976
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: because I remember talking about what we were talking to

977
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: my friends about at the time. We're going, is this

978
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: is this for real? And most of us were like,

979
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: they cannot yeah, you know, I mean yeah, but it

980
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: just it kept going on and on. And of course

981
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: there's the whole thing. When Andy died, they some wrestling

982
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: announcer asked Lawler about him, and he said very few

983
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: words but made it sound like he didn't like him

984
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: at all. Again, he kept it up. He he had,

985
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, must have told Andy, I'll keith the character

986
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: going and would not give in. So this this is

987
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: this is one of those things where this is an

988
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: example of Kaufman ran a gag that was so above

989
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: and beyond, and he planned it out so far in advance,

990
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: and he let it run for so long. And of

991
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: course Andy is alive, right right, And and of course

992
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: Bob is involved in this thing thet the whole time,

993
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: so he's the man behind the scenes that nobody sees

994
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: that's setting things up. So Bob's working tirelessly for him.

995
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: The only the only thing in this entire theory that

996
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: doesn't work is who the hell was in the casket,

997
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: which I've seen various various tellings of. Uh, there's two

998
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: different ways that this guy. One is that and he

999
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: never was sick, and he actually met a cancer patient

1000
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: who agreed or an aids. He met a sick patient

1001
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: who was willing to stand in for him and be

1002
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: in his casket and let Andy run this gag or

1003
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: and he did actually have cancer, but the treatments actually

1004
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: did cure him, at which point he found this person

1005
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: who was willing to be his body double and sit

1006
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: in the cat or lay in the casket. Is the

1007
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: case maybe for him, And that's where the body came from.

1008
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: I gotta say everything else about Andy Kaufman and how

1009
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: he masterminded this crap. I like, I want to believe

1010
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: the body double is the only thing that I have

1011
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: a hard time getting behind. That's part. But you know

1012
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: the thing about it is is that if he really

1013
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: had lost a lot of weight and everything and he

1014
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: was looking like a die of cancer, possibly, uh, you know,

1015
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: you could have just he could have just had himself

1016
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: drugged and been laying in the cat in the coffin,

1017
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, So that way when people poked him, he

1018
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: didn't react because he was out cold. It's possible. Yeah,

1019
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: and then later on he gets out of the coffin

1020
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: and it's uh, it's of course taken off and buried.

1021
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: So possible. He looked at the pictures of Andy Kaufman

1022
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: like when he was sick, Like when he's amazingated and sick,

1023
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: he looks terrible. It doesn't really look like him. Okay,

1024
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: are you looking at the ones that are the photograph

1025
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,919
Speaker 1: reproductions and newspapers or okay, yeah, they some of those.

1026
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: The problem is is that black and white photography was

1027
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: crap and most of it was done. It's black and white,

1028
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: and he looks like hell. But it also I've known

1029
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: some people who got pretty sick and they didn't look

1030
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: like they had several years so prior for sure. Yeah,

1031
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: but I mean just too because I I like, you

1032
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: want to believe that Andy totally faked the whole thing

1033
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: for this, I mean, quote unquote hilarious gag. Uh you know,

1034
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: so I kind of you know, I'm looking for that stuff, right,

1035
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm looking to say, well, it doesn't totally look like him,

1036
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: so it could totally be someone else. He did go

1037
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: away for a while for six weeks and came back

1038
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: looking totally different. So what's to say that, you know,

1039
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: he that he didn't. He didn't look totally different, but

1040
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: he went down the hill immediately upon his return, he

1041
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: looked totally different when he returned. I think it was

1042
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: black and he answered to the name Bob Zamuda. It

1043
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: was weird. It was very strange. I M the only,

1044
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: the only, the last thing that I have here. So

1045
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: Kaufman got a weird kind of cult following. I mean,

1046
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: not too long after he is supposed death, people are

1047
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: still writing about did Andy fake his death? There's obviously

1048
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: three dummies with the right Yeah. I read an article

1049
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: that was just published like last year. Yeah, people are

1050
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: still talking about it, and he's still being excited. I mean,

1051
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: we were talking about the one that was Albuquerque they

1052
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: had and by the way, that that that was the

1053
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: worst video ever. I mean, I'll see it actually made

1054
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: the news in Albuquerque and they played some of that

1055
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Speaker 1: security camera bit and I don't see. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: could be any Kaufman, it could be a million anybody.

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Speaker 1: It could be anybody. And that was the problem. But

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Speaker 1: there's all these cult followings, all these cults sightings. One

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Speaker 1: of the things it's I find it entertaining every five

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Speaker 1: year anniversary of his death. Suddenly there's reports that Coffin

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Speaker 1: said he was gonna take it for fifteen years, so

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Speaker 1: he's gonna come back this year. Coffin said he's gonna

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Speaker 1: take it for twenty years. He's gonna come back this year.

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Speaker 1: Thirty thirty five, Like like thirty five is the next

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Speaker 1: number that we've got. I really, in my heart of hearts,

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Speaker 1: want to believe Eve that Andy Kaufman is sitting in

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Speaker 1: a retirement home right now, getting his giggle over the

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Speaker 1: fact that the entire world thinks he died in mostly Actually,

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Speaker 1: I think he's probably in a nursing home somewhere, saying

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Speaker 1: to some nurse, you know I was Andy Kaufman, and

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Speaker 1: the nurses like, I don't know who that is in

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Speaker 1: a nursing home yet, did you know? You know what?

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Speaker 1: You know? What I want? I mean, this is this

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Speaker 1: is I want this to be true, just like what

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Speaker 1: I saw in Bubba ho Tap for Elvis to be true,

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01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: because that was a hilarious story as well, and I

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Speaker 1: want that to be truly what had happened to Elvis? Yes,

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Speaker 1: because well I just have a weird thing about famous

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Speaker 1: people like that. Yeah, No, I mean I think that, Uh,

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Speaker 1: in my perfect world, Andy Kaufman faked his death, and

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Speaker 1: I mean sure, he faked his death when he was

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Speaker 1: thirty five, so it makes sense he would come back

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Speaker 1: thirty five years later. Could there's a little serendipity in that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that you can. You could find you could

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Speaker 1: pick and choose a number from his thirty five years.

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Speaker 1: You could very easily do it. One year increments you

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Speaker 1: could do. I'm sure that you could. You know, you

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Speaker 1: could say, well, you know, twenty was a really sacred

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Speaker 1: number to to to Andy. So he's so he's going

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Speaker 1: to come back twenty. You know. You guys ready to

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01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: know the truth? Yeah? Andy? Yeah, No, I don't want

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01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: the true and you have too much hair to be Andy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But you know what happened is he did fake his

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Speaker 1: own death. He moved to Mexico, and he became a pro. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Actually did die. Yeah. Actually, I think that if if

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Speaker 1: he had faked his own death, he wouldn't have I

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Speaker 1: don't think he would have stayed away more than a year.

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Speaker 1: I'd agree. I don't think he would have. He would

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Speaker 1: have done enable. It would have been like two days later, well, no,

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Speaker 1: I think Joe's the most joke before people consider it offensive. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you don't know. What I really think is that

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I do, but okay, yeah, now

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Speaker 1: I think that it's it's entirely possible. What I think

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01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: really probably happened is that he actually faked faking his

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Speaker 1: own death. I think that probably when he found out

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Speaker 1: he was terminally ill. And this is this really kind

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01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: of fits in with his personality. He probably got together

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01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: with Samoda and with his manager Shapiro and said, guys,

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Speaker 1: we've got to pull off this one last big joke.

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Speaker 1: We've got to convince the world, or at least half

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Speaker 1: the world, that I faked my death. And I since

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Speaker 1: I said, I'm not saying that's proof, that's proven that.

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Speaker 1: I just know that I get where you're coming from.

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Speaker 1: But I get where you're coming from. Is the last

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Speaker 1: gag is death? Yeah? Yeah, except I don't know that

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Speaker 1: that would be. It doesn't fit in his character, like

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01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: his character was always pulling the wool over their eyes

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01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: for what wasn't happening instead of what was really happening,

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Speaker 1: which is the I'm alive is what wasn't happening so

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm in the camp of I want him

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Speaker 1: to have faked all of it, all of it too,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think he did. I don't sadly don't

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Speaker 1: think so either, But I agree with that. I want

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Speaker 1: him too, but I don't think. Yeah, I think that's

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Speaker 1: you know, as far as faking on death and not

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Speaker 1: letting anybody in on it other than a couple of

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01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: close associates, it's kind of a dick move. You know,

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Speaker 1: you come back a year, a year or two later.

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Speaker 1: You know, not everybody's gonna be thrilled about it. They're

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01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: gonna be happy that you're alive, but they're gonna be

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01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: really and they're never There's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that don't talk to you ever. Again, he's a

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01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: huge emotional trauma. Yeah it is. He did one out

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01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: of his relationship. But yeah, that that is. That is

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01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: the ultimate way to get relationship. You know that A

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01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: few times I have to move away. But anyway, that's

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm taking a half. I think that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: I think he probably toyed with the idea what it

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01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: was before he became tremorally ill. He toyed with it.

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01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: And then uh, and then when I finally came around,

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01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: he talked to you, talked to you, talked to Bob

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01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: and greg or George George and said, dudes, dudes, you know,

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01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: just keep this alive, okay, you know. And when you

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01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: think about it too, because he was he was a

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01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 1: celebrity and you know, famous guy and everything, he probably

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01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: didn't want to fade away. And this is a way

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01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: to keep his It is a way to keep the

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01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: legend going out. Yeah. Absolutely, So that's kind of what

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01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: I suspect. Well, that's all we got on this particular one.

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01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: We will of course have some links that will be

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Speaker 1: discussions or articles about Andy. We might put a link

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01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: to a YouTube playlist on the website. I don't know

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01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: what it'll be at this point, but if you want

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01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 1: to see that stuff, you're more than welcome to do

1155
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: so that website, of course, as always his Thinking Sideways

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Speaker 1: podcast dot com. On the website, we do have several

1157
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: different options for supporting the show. We've got merchandise. This

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01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 1: will all be on the right hand side by the

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01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: way in the in the little callum there. We've got

1160
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: shirts and phone cases and bugs and all of those

1161
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: good things, So those are available on Zazzle or red Bubble.

1162
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: The stickers as well. Uh, if you want to do

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Speaker 1: a monetary contribution to the show, you're welcome to do that.

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Speaker 1: We have PayPal for a one time contribution, So if

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Speaker 1: that's what works for your budget, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate that. If you would like to be more

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Speaker 1: of a ongoing donation sustaining, as Devn likes to say it,

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01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,560
Speaker 1: you are welcome to do that. We have we have

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Speaker 1: a profile set up or account set up on Patreon,

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Speaker 1: Patreon dot com, slash Thinking Sideways and that is just

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Speaker 1: so everybody knows that is a donation per episode that

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Speaker 1: we come out with. So if you decide that you

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Speaker 1: want to give us twenty bucks per be aware that

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Speaker 1: that's going to be twenty bucks per episode, not just

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01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: a flat twenty bucks unless you cap it at a

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Speaker 1: monthly a month, which then yeah, then it's weird. It

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Speaker 1: becomes weird. Also, by the way, we we we drop

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Speaker 1: a regular episode once a week, ye and yeah yeah,

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01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: so so occasionally we drop a short or something like that.

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Speaker 1: We never charged, you know, those are those are extras

1181
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: bonuses I've never charged that we're not putting those in

1182
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: there to make more money as much is Joe asked

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01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: me to do it, I decided not to take. Yeah.

1184
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: And by the way, this is this is optionality. Yeah,

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01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: the contribute if you don't want to, we make this.

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01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: We make the content because we like to. If you'd

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Speaker 1: like to contribute, we appreciate that, but by no means

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Speaker 1: a requirement. Yep, we are. We are on iTunes. That

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Speaker 1: is seems to be the primary portals that people find

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Speaker 1: the show through. If you're finding us on iTunes, please

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Speaker 1: do to take the time to subscribe, and if you're

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Speaker 1: enjoying it, leave a positive review and rating. Uh. If

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Speaker 1: you're not enjoying it, go ahead and leave a positive

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Speaker 1: can email us at Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Where we do we feel, conversations, story suggestions, general fan letters,

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes a little bit while we're on just

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Speaker 1: about every streaming site that's out there. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to name all because I don't have that kind

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Speaker 1: of time. But if you use one of those awesome.

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Speaker 1: Find us on it. Are on the Facebook. We are

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Speaker 1: on the Facebook. We are on the Facebook, and we

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Speaker 1: have a Facebook page and a Facebook group, both of

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Speaker 1: which are very busy and very fun. So do take

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Speaker 1: the time to like the page and or on the group.

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Speaker 1: We have a subreddit, which Devin knows about, and I

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Speaker 1: still haven't gone to Thank god, I have gone to it,

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Speaker 1: I just don't. I'm just not in the habit of

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Speaker 1: going up there forget um. And we also have a

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Speaker 1: Twitter account, so we are on Twitter at thinking Sideways

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Speaker 1: without the G in the middle. You can see pictures

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Speaker 1: of my weird bruises I didn't really have. That was weird,

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01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: really weird. People liked it, and I get to prove

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Speaker 1: that I'm falling apart at yeah, weird robotic device you. Um, okay,

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Speaker 1: Well that's all I've got on this particular episode. You

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01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: guys got anything else? Not? Just if you're Andy, like

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01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 1: you know, find us on Facebook and join the group

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01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: and tell us what you've been up to. You can

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01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,879
Speaker 1: just email us and you don't have to at yourself publicly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's a good point. I'm just gonna go ask

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Speaker 1: my uncle Andy. All right, good idea, Andy,