1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Tucklin. And 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: this is a bonus episode. Just in case you're wondering, Hey, 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: why why is there an episode here? I wasn't supposed 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: to go to download today. Well, it's a bonus episode. 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: And since we don't have anything particularly planned for it, um, 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: we thought we'd we'd we'd call the robot over here. Yeah. 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: I know, after all, we we get to talk a 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: lot and express ourselves. But Arnie, poor Arnie, the robot 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: just kind of comes back and forth on his little 12 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: wheels and that's about it. Yeah. So so co come 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: on over here, Arnie. How's how's it going? Well? Yeah, yeah, 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: I know, I know, we we we haven't had as 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: much time for the listener mail recently. That's what this 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: episode is all about. So this time you're you can 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: be more part of the episode, and you can you 18 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: can share more of the listener mail. So so let 19 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: us let us have some what have you got here? 20 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: That's interesting? Arnie? You don't need to stand so close 21 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: all This first one comes to us from Paul Paul writes, 22 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: and it says, Hi, Robert and Julie, I'm a long 23 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: time listener and have been wanting to write you guys 24 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: for a long time and just never got around to it. 25 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: I just listened to your Healing Power of Laughter podcast 26 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: and I wanted to let you know how inspired it 27 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: made me. I am a combat medic in the U. S. 28 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: Army and I am going through the process of getting 29 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: medically retired. I am lucky enough to be doing this 30 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: in a specialized unit called the Warrior Transition Unit. This 31 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: unit is special because it allows soldiers to do whatever 32 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: it takes to heal. One of the newest programs they 33 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: have implemented is recovery through music, guitar lessons, piano, et cetera. 34 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: So I know that they are willing to think outside 35 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: of the box when it comes to healing. Your podcast 36 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: pushed me to try to create a program that connects 37 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: soldiers with comedians and teaches them to laugh and make 38 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: others laugh. It's going to be complex and take some 39 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: work to develop on my part, but I think in 40 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: the end it will be a great program. I love 41 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: your show and couldn't do this without your inspiration. I 42 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: listen to you guys on my forty minute drive to work, 43 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: and you make it fly by. Thanks Paul. Oh that's 44 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah. Oh, but and he was in the 45 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: hundred airborne by the way, that is very cool and 46 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: I love that he put that together. I do wonder 47 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: if he is about to look into laughter yoga as well, 48 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: which in this case, I would say, yes, I think 49 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: laughter yoga would be very helpful. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, 50 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: I think that the great thing about the program, like 51 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: you said, it's it's showing that they're willing to think 52 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: out the outside of the box about healing, and it 53 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: shows more of a focus on actually healing people instead 54 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: of going through just a regimented process to be like 55 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: all right, step one, two three, you should be healed 56 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: by now, how you know, go out and live your life. 57 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: It's it's more it seems more results oriented, which I 58 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: think is great. Well, and you had brought up and 59 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: we were talking about stress and stress being that paper 60 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: tiger um that that puts us on all alerts, and 61 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: how laughing is one of those things can that that 62 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: can be that chemical release, that the way that you 63 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: can return your blood pressure to normal, and the way 64 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: that you can sort of vanquish all those chemicals that 65 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: are building up the cortisol and so on and so 66 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: forth in your body. So very cool stuff to hear about. 67 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: And m Paul, please let us know how that turns out. 68 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. All right, here we have another one. 69 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: This one is from Chris and Baton Rouge, and Chris says, Hi, 70 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: I've been listening to you guys for a while, and 71 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: for my obligatory comment, you two have very soothing voices. 72 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: And don't take this the wrong way, but I often 73 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: listen to your podcast as I go to sleep. We've 74 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: heard that from people before, which I I never take 75 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: it the wrong way, but it does make me want 76 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: to do a podcast where we talk softer and softer 77 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: and softer and then either you're very sleepy right now, yeah, 78 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: and then and then start messing with them, either with 79 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: loud noises or just nightmare inducing like I said, Yeah, 80 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: I hope nobody's sleeping right now and they just bolted 81 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: up in their beds. Chris continues and he says, Anyway, 82 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: recently I listened to your podcasts on the Dark Side 83 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: of Creativity, and let me say mission accomplished. You successfully 84 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: blew my mind. What you described was me exactly. The 85 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: analogy of the flashlight view and the lantern view was perfect. 86 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: This was especially important to me because I feel it's 87 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: hard to explain to others my mind mindset, and often 88 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: I get frustrated with others not trying to get all 89 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: the facts or look at the whole picture. But I 90 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: do envy other mindsets because they are sure and uh, 91 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: and that they're better at shooting straightforward down a path 92 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: to a destination. Well, I seem to be forever scheduling 93 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: searching for the best destination, if that makes any sense. Sincerely, 94 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: Chris and Baton Rouge. I think that's uh, that's really fascinating. 95 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: I think it also. I mean, as we talked before, 96 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: I mean you really need the different types of viewpoint 97 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: in life. I mean the people who have the flashlight view, 98 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: Arguably they might not it might not be the best 99 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: view for like a full experience of the universe or 100 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, or what have you. But in terms of 101 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: say getting done with the task on the other end 102 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: of that flashlight that's great. Likewise, people with more of 103 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: this lantern view of the universe, um, you know, that 104 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: may be great for for bursts of creativity and whatnot, 105 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: but maybe it means you can't focus as well on 106 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: a given test, so nothing to trade off with both. 107 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: Now the origins of those terms, um, I think we 108 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: have to talk about Alison got Nick, and she is 109 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: the child psychologist who who talks about how kids have 110 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: this highly creative mind, in particular babies because they have 111 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: that lantern view because they are more aware than adults 112 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: and they're streaming all of this stimuli. And um, so 113 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: that's kind of what we were talking about. We were 114 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: talking about the dark side of creativity or not necessarily 115 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: dark set of creativity, which is creativity in general. Is 116 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: this ability to tap into that and to not let 117 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: those details that are all around us at all times 118 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: just fly by, to be able to consider these things 119 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: and and um find sort of unique meaning in them. Yeah, alright. 120 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: This next one comes to us from a listener by 121 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: the name of Jim. Jim written to us before and 122 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: he has a book recommendation for everyone. He says, Robert 123 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: and Julie, about a year ago you did a podcast 124 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: on whether mathematics was an invention or discovery. I wrote 125 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: to you shortly after that that, placing myself mostly in 126 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: the invention camp. I would like to update my position 127 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: based upon a book I received for Christmas, The Joy 128 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: of X by Steven Strogatz, an applied mathematic it's professor 129 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: at Cornell. On page five, Dr Strogatz, who is a 130 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: regular contributor to Radio ad right to following. Math always 131 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: involves both invention and discovery. We invent the concepts but 132 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: discover their consequences, as we'll see in the coming chapters. 133 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: In mathematics, our freedom lies in the questions we ask 134 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: and how we pursue them, but not in the answers 135 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: awaiting us. So, uh, yeah, that sounds like a very 136 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: interesting text. Well, I don't have to pick up the 137 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: next time I get on a mathematics kick. Yeah. I 138 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: was talking to my friend Maria um over the weekend, 139 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: and she is a mathematician and she actually she teaches 140 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: in Germany now, but she teaches UM math to to 141 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: physics students, and she was saying she was kind of 142 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: talking about some of her interests in her field, and 143 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: she was talking about infinity, and so I, who don't 144 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: have a very large mathematics background, and said, look, don't 145 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: strike me down for saying this, but a lot of 146 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: what you're talking about releasing very philosophical, and she said, yes, yes, 147 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't realize that when they're 148 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: talking about math, they are in a sense talking about philosophy, 149 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: albeit in another language. All right, well, this one comes 150 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: to us from Charles. Charles writes in, and uh and 151 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: he isn't. He's writing in response to our Splendid Isolation 152 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: podcast a while back, where we talked about how isolation 153 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: affects us and about how there's with many of us, 154 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: there's this desire for it, like, oh, I don't I 155 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: don't have enough alone time in my life, and then 156 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: if you have too much alone time, then you start 157 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: going a little crazy sometimes. And we talked about it 158 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: too in the context of Astronauts, right, yes, yeah, so, 159 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: Charles writes in and says, Robert and Julie, I enjoyed 160 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: listening to your podcast Splendid Isolation. I found the concept 161 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: so intriguing that I decided I'd like to try it 162 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: myself for a full year. In June two thousand twelve, 163 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: at the age of forty, I charted a boat to 164 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: drop me off on an uninhabited island in Alaska with 165 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: my dog, a goat and supplies. This was my first 166 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: time to the island. I found a good spot to 167 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: build and erected a seventy seven square foot cabin. I've 168 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: encountered hurricane force winds, heavy snow, constant rain, and had 169 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: to bear encounters while filming everything. Besides a few chance 170 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: encounters with hunters and vacationers, I've been completely alone for 171 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: six months. As of last Friday, I post updates on 172 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: Facebook on the Alaskan Pioneer page and uh if you 173 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: want to visit that, that's Facebook dot com slash Alaskan Pioneer. 174 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: One word, he says. While I do have limited communication, 175 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: the isolation has had some interesting effects on my cognition 176 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: and emotions. It's increased my sleep, impaired my memory, and 177 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: at times increases aggression and vigilance. My mood has remained 178 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: consistently positive, however, and I've experienced no sense of loneliness. 179 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: I've long wondered what it would be like to live 180 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: alone in the wilderness for a full year, and now 181 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: I am finding out. While I look forward to returning 182 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: to society next summer, I suspect it will be difficult 183 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: to leave. I look forward to sharing my footage of 184 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: my time here when I returned. Thanks again for the 185 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: fun podcast, Charles. Wow, indeed that I mean, that's a 186 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: lot to take in, and that is amazing and and 187 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: uh I I know I had talked about like living 188 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: on a boat with one of my dreams, but that 189 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: is sort of one of my dreams too, is to 190 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: go off and to to be able to not like 191 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: leave my family necessarily. But there's a fantasy in being 192 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: able to go off and know what it feels like 193 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: to rely on yourself and to be out in the wilderness. 194 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: And that's just an amazing plug and everything. I think 195 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: it's neat that he brought. He brought a dog and 196 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: the goat. I'm assuming he did not eat these say 197 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: that they're both alive, they're all doing well. But I 198 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: feel like that would help enormously, like having some sort of, 199 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, a companion, even if it's not human. We've 200 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: talked before about how how intense and how emotional our 201 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: relationships with pets can be, and and goats have a 202 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: lot of character. I love goats. Joe's Carol Oates has 203 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: a short story about a lighthousekeeper in the eighteen hundreds, 204 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: and I believe at the point where the dog runs off. 205 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: That's when his madness sort of give us into effect. 206 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: But anyway, that that that's of course the eighteen hundreds 207 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: and Charles, you sound like you're having a wonderful time, 208 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: and I really I think this is wonderful. I'm living 209 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: vicariously through you. Um did he say the Facebook page 210 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: is Alaskan Frontier, Alaskan Pioneer, Pioneer excuse me, Yeah, but 211 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: I definitely have to check that out. Oh and speaking 212 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: of Joyce Carol Oates, real quick, have you been following 213 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: her Twitter? I have. It's awesome. Yeah. I think she 214 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: maybe the best Twitter account out there. I was telling 215 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: someone the other day, like, if you just have to 216 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: do one Twitter account and just mean besides ours, right, Um, 217 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, check it out because she always has something 218 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: terribly interesting to say. It is it's it's always interesting 219 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: and insightful, and I wish more more Twitter feeds were 220 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: like hers. Alright, here we have a couple of emails 221 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: regarding our recent Hallucinations episode. Now, this first one comes 222 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: to us from Justin Justin Wrightson and says, Hi, Robert 223 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: and Julie, I recently listened to the leprechn Hallucinations podcast 224 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: and wanted to share something from my childhood. When my 225 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: brother and I were younger, we would infrequently get what 226 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: we called small vision. For a short time, everything in 227 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: the world would seem to be smaller, further away than 228 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: it really was. You could even put your hands in 229 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: front of you and your arms would seem much longer 230 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: than they should be. This would be accompanied by a 231 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: slight pain pressure at the back of the head. I 232 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: believe this is where the visual cortex is located. I 233 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: have no idea why this happened, but it sounded a 234 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: lot like Alice in Wonderland syndrome you described in the podcast. 235 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: Until not now, I had never heard of anyone else 236 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: experiencing something like this. Thanks for sharing the information with 237 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: your listeners and giving me a little more perspective on 238 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: my own experience. Wow, that's pretty pretty fascinating. Um. Yeah, 239 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: I mean it does sound a lot like the Allison 240 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: Wonderland UH syndrome about some of the lillipution of hallucinations 241 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: we were describing, where it starts messing with the way 242 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: you're perceiving the size of objects and distances. Yeah, and 243 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: so it's interesting that the visual cortex was brought up right, 244 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: because just to root everybody back in that podcast for 245 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: context we talked about is that when your vision is 246 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: impaired um in a variety of different situations, your brain 247 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: doesn't like, uh, the void and will begin to construct 248 00:11:55,280 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: images for it. So that's why these hallucinations occur. And uh, yes, 249 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: it's very interesting to hear about that account. There anything 250 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: talking about the pain that accompanied it, which which brings 251 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: to mind like a small like I haven't even I 252 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: haven't researched this. Perhaps there's a there's a miracle blog 253 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: post out there that explains at all. But we've all, 254 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: at some point the other probably tried to bend spoon 255 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: with our mind or move it with our mind. Have 256 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: you done this, tried to do something psychically? Yeah, it 257 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: was probably. It was probably like when I was yesterday. Yeah, 258 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: But when you do it, did you you inevitably start 259 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: to feel strain. You feel something straining, You feel like 260 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: a slight I'm trying too hard? What what where is 261 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: that taking place? What are we straining? I have a feeling. 262 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just something as simple as we're we're straining 263 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: our vision because we're kind of thinking hard, we're kind 264 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: of squinting, but but I don't know. It got me 265 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: thinking it's like if because if I can't do something, 266 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: I shouldn't feel the strain of trying to do it. 267 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if your pupils dilate and tried to take 268 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: in more light. I have a feeling it's eye related, 269 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: But if anybody has any any feedback on that, I'd 270 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: be interested to hear. Like I said, I haven't looked 271 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: into it, but just thought about it the other day 272 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: in the car Car Thoughts with Robert Lamb. All right, 273 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: this one comes to us from Tony. Tony says, hey, guys, 274 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: love the podcast. Great topics to get me through my 275 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: long walks on this very large campus of Michigan State 276 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: and my long meals in the cafeteria Go meals. Fun fact, 277 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: Brody Hall, an area of dorms on the northwest side 278 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: of campus, actually houses the largest non military cafeteria in 279 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: America and maybe the world. I'm not sure, but anyway, 280 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: I was listening to your lepro Con Hallucinations episode and 281 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: I actually experienced very bizarre and usually arguably terrifying hallucinations 282 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: When I slip into a lucid dream. I think lucid 283 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: dreaming is an interesting category of hallucination because you were dreaming, 284 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: but you are aware of it, and in many cases 285 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: you're able to control what goes on. Usually, when I 286 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: dream lucidly, I like to take a back seat and 287 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: let my mind unwind the story. But there are sometimes 288 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: when things will pop up that are very jarring, and 289 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: I typically undergo a fight or flight reaction in this 290 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: dream dreamland, it stays asleep or wake up. I don't 291 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: dream lucidly very often, maybe two to three times a 292 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: month at most, but I've had some very bizarre encounters 293 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: with interesting creatures popping up. For instance, about a week ago, 294 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: I was dreaming that I was sitting in a room 295 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: and there was a rain storm. It wasn't actually raining 296 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: at the time, and I was really just enjoying my 297 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: night in content. Then a very large thunderclap echoes through 298 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: my mind, most likely a door slamming down the hall 299 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: in my dorm, and the lights uh in my dream 300 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: go out, but I can still see they various shapes 301 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: and shadows. I then turn and look to the left 302 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: physically and mentally and see a large dark shadows standing 303 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: in the doorway which I am concluding is the dresser 304 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: that is in the exact spot I was looking, So 305 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: I immediately think wake up, but instead I slipped into 306 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis, which if you have ever never experienced, is 307 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: extremely bizarre. When I experienced sleep paralysis, I am still 308 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: able to move, but only very slowly, or so it 309 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: seems from my perspective in the dream. I wonder if 310 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: brain activity is so high or low that I am 311 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: actually moving normal, but but the speed is perceived as slow. 312 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: I am also able to open my eyes see the world, 313 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: but not actually be awake. It's easily, easily the weirdest 314 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: visual experience. So this dark figure appears, walks towards me, 315 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: and my body feels like it feels like it's under 316 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: immense pressure. I try to raise my arms, but it 317 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: takes ten minutes. My eyes are open, but I still 318 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: can't wake up. The figure is almost there, and then 319 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: out of nowhere, I'm awake with the most intense body 320 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: tingle and an elevated heart rate. Maybe it doesn't technically 321 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: classify as hallucinating, but I think it does. Again, thanks 322 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: for the cool topics, Love you guys. Tony. Well, that's 323 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: that is fascinating because for the most part. What we're 324 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: talking about there in an example isn't a hallucination, but 325 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: it is. It is sleep paralysis, which we have talked 326 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: about before in its relation to paranormal experience, which is 327 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: also something that relates to hallucination experiences where something unreal happens, 328 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: but but it feels real and it's observed as real. Yeah, 329 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: when first is used the concept at the beginning of 330 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: that email, I wasn't quite sure that that it could 331 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: be a hallucination. But in describing that, yeah, I mean 332 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: because you talk about sleep paralysis in the problem with 333 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: that is that your brain has not quite come back 334 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: online with your body. Because the idea is when you're dreaming, 335 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: you may be throwing kung fu chops and kicks everywhere, 336 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: but it's kind of like a simulation. You don't need 337 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: to actually throw kung fu chops around, So your body 338 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: is under lockdown, and when sleep prolysis occurs, your mind 339 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: wakes up, but your body is still locked down. Right, 340 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: So if you're receiving data again from your eyes visual 341 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: cortex that isn't driving with the rest of your experience, 342 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: then you know again the brain abhores avoid and it 343 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: will fill in for you, So I do kind of 344 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: like I said, I wasn't quite sure the beginning, but 345 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: in the description of Chinese experience, I see how that 346 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: is a possibility. Um, it would be very interesting to 347 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: see some sort of mri I studies that could correlate 348 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: with that. Of course, then you'd have to do someone 349 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: into loosen dreaming and then sleep. But the graalsa the 350 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: great thing here. It's Tony is applying critical thinking to 351 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: an experience that in other cases might be perceived as 352 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: something supernatural or abnormal. I mean it's still terrifying obviously, 353 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: but he was able to afterwards realize, oh, well, what's 354 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: going on. There's a scientific explanation for it, all right. 355 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: Here's one from Michela Mickello writes in in a response 356 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: to our PoCA episode, and she says, love the podcast. 357 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: I had my own experience with PoCA during my second pregnancy. 358 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: I craved I so strongly I started bringing cups of 359 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: it to work with me from home to keep up 360 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: with the demand. The weirder craving was was of a 361 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: smell the a c in my car. I would sit 362 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: in my driveway for fifteen minutes with my nose as 363 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: close to the then as possible, breathing in the beautiful fragrance. 364 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: This became increasingly increasingly hard is my belly group. Almost 365 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: immediately after having my son, the smell all but disappeared 366 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: from my radar. My doctor, although pretty surprised at this 367 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: odd habit, attributed both of these to my anemic status 368 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: during my pregnancy. All Right, that is unusual because again 369 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: when we talk about pica, which I think we were 370 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: saying pick up by the way, so we have to 371 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: apologize for that, or I was when you think about it, 372 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: more is is eating dirt for the nutrients that are 373 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: inherent there, but not necessarily the ac coming in of 374 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: the car. I mean, I I love the smell of 375 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: air conditioning. I can remember that as a child, like 376 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: loving it, maybe because I liked you know, I like 377 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: the cool and all, and I didn't like being out 378 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: in the sweating heat. But there's something even today, like 379 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: when you when you reached that point we were suddenly 380 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: turning the air conditioning back on, kind of like the 381 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: smell that smells good. I did not even realize that 382 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: air conditioning had a smell. It does it has. It 383 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: has a smell and uh and a quite lovely one 384 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: if you're in if you're in the mood for it. Okay, 385 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: So now that makes me wonder, is there a large 386 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: part of the population that likes to smell or conditioning 387 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: and can't detect the smell of it? And I believe 388 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: that I cannot. Well, we talked before. I mean, smell 389 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: is a powerful thing, and we attached memories to smell 390 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: that that we almost really can't completely fathom. We've all 391 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: had that experience where we're walking down the street and 392 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: we smell something and we're like, and it just takes 393 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: us back to like a childhood memory, and then we 394 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 1: don't even know where the smell came from or even 395 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: necessarily what it was. But the press Dan Pressy and 396 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: a Madeleine's right from the story that he talks about 397 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: his memory and food. Yeah, I was at a friend's 398 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: house and they opened up a new board game and 399 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: I ended up having to like just basically huff the 400 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: board game box for a little bit because the smell 401 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: was taking me back to something that I had some 402 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: positive feelings about with nostalgia for and I think maybe 403 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: it ended up having the same smell as like dungeons 404 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: and dragons manuals from the mid nineties or something. I 405 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: don't know, I think that's what it was. I couldn't 406 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: quite put a pin on it, and it's so, you know, 407 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: it's probably like a weird chemical smell, you know, but 408 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: it pulled something out of me. Crazy game board sniffer. Yeah, alright, 409 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: this one comes to us from Antonio. Antonio writes, and 410 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: it says, Hi, Robert and Julie, my name is Tony, 411 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: and I just wanted to comment on a podcast you 412 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: did a couple of months ago about bad neighborhoods and 413 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: how people generally don't help to start. I live in 414 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: a city of about thirty thousand people, so pretty small 415 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: and not really any bad neighborhoods to speak of. But 416 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: I recently went to Las Vegas, and it was almost 417 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: a sickness to me to give money to every homeless 418 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: person I saw. I believe it is because I live 419 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: in a place where we don't have a homeless population, 420 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: therefore I'm not blind to it. Also, I just watched 421 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: a show on the Science Channel called Alien Encounters, and 422 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: it was mentioned that we just might be developing a 423 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: hive brain mentality with the help of the internet. Um 424 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: in our smartphones, iPods, etcetera, and how that could greatly 425 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: help us against not only an alien invasion, but just 426 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: about any problem human god could face. I'm curious as 427 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: to what you think about the hive brain versus the 428 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: plain old single brain. I love your podcast. I listen 429 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: to it while I work my factory job, and it 430 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: keeps me saying in my brain working, keep it up, Tony. 431 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: So two interesting things. He's he's responding to their one 432 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: talking about you know what happens when we encounter, you know, 433 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: say a homeless individual or somebody in need, and how 434 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: group dynamics affect that. You know, where if if if 435 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: you're seeing other people pass them by, then it kind 436 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: of becomes the norm and you want to and a 437 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: lot of times you feel like you need to keep 438 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: with the norm, or if there's kind of a culture 439 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: of not helping, you know, versus versus other environments where 440 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: you're going to be more in close proximity and they 441 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: seem more human to you strangers in general. Yeah, we've 442 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: seen this in countless experiments, whether conducted on the street 443 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: or you know, in an instance where someone is placed 444 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: at a situation where they could give money to another person. 445 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: But if the other person knew they were giving them money, 446 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 1: then they would give them it. But if they you know, 447 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: like there's all sorts of they are all sorts of 448 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: experiments that involve altruism, and it does seem that whoever 449 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: sort of does the first thing dictates what the protocol 450 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: will be. So if you help that stringer industry, other 451 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: people will follow suit. Yeah, we've talked about this too 452 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: in terms of corporations and industries large you know, any 453 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: kind of large social structure where if you have if 454 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: there's like a caring um culture at the beginning of 455 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: it and the roots of it, then that tends to 456 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: carry on out through the company as it grows. But 457 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: to whatever degree it's not there, then it's not there 458 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: in the larger social organism as well. So anyway, it 459 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: was an interesting email because he really drives home like 460 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: two aspects of the group think and uh and this 461 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: hive mind the idea that it can it can lead 462 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: to some great things, some some bringing together of ideas, 463 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: our potential to better the world and potentially protected against 464 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: an alien invasion, but also in our ability to all 465 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: decide not to do anything for someone that needs help. Well, now, also, 466 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: I think points towards the self organizing nature. And I 467 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: always think about this whenever I get an elevator. Now, 468 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: since we did the podcast on elevators, and you watch 469 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: people come in and see how they organize themselves, and 470 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: over and over again people will self organize into these 471 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: certain configurations. So um for of these invisible forces always 472 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: at play, and we just don't always realize it, all right, 473 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: And here's a one from a listener. Eric Eric writes 474 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: in and says on the subject of laboring, labeling food 475 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: with gross names, like writing cloaca cake on a cake. 476 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: My mother came up with a recipe she calls garbage 477 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: can casserole. She invented it shortly after getting married. She 478 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: had a can of soup, some chicken, and a little 479 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: bit of other food, but not really enough of one 480 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: thing to make a meal for two people. It's basically 481 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: a chicken casserole with cream of chicken and cream of 482 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: mushroom soup right from the can without deluding it so 483 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: it stays thick chow, maine noodles, water, chestnuts, and quote 484 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: unquote other stuff, topped with corn flakes and baked. She says, 485 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: it makes it. It makes you clean out your refrigerator, 486 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: and anything that's not green and fuzzy it goes into 487 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: the dish. It's not quite that easy, but the other 488 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: stuff usually consists of different vegetables like peas, green beans, 489 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: and or a corn i ate. It a lot growing up, 490 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: and despite its name, it's one of my favorites. I 491 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: usually make it for potlock parties and it's almost always 492 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: gone by the end, so long as I don't display 493 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: it with the name garbage can cast role. I've tried 494 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: displaying it with that name in the past as an experiment, 495 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: and if I do, it's almost always untouched, except for 496 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: the helping I took for myself to show it was tried. 497 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: So there you go. Eric has already done this experiment 498 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: that we were talking about to it to a certain extent. 499 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: Call it garbage cat roll. Who's gonna eat it? Call it, 500 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, beautiful cast role or just cast role and 501 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: then country cast role. People will go for it. You 502 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: see the same thing with with some fish species, right 503 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: you have fish where it's like if it's called a 504 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: slime head or if it's called a dolphin. Because we 505 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: have the fish that is the dolphin as well as 506 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: the mammalian dolphin. People are going to be hesitant to 507 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: eat it, but you rebrand it as something I forget 508 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: what the slimehead brand it has, but with the dolphin 509 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: became my ma right yeah, yeah, um, it's true. Yeah, 510 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: So I still want to do the I think we should. 511 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,719 Speaker 1: I think we should do it. We should film it 512 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: and uh and see see how it pans out here 513 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: in the office. All right, So there you go. Um, robot, 514 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: do you do you feel better about things now? Look good? Good? Yes? 515 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: Well I love you too, all right, and we love you, guys, 516 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: I love you. This is a lot about just sharing 517 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: some of your feedback with everybody else. And we love 518 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: to get this email and it makes us. It remind 519 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: is us of why we love this job so much. 520 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 1: And it's very nice to thanks guys. 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