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Speaker 1: All right, this is Billy Wagner and this is the

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Speaker 1: Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd so lucky. Hope everybody's

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Speaker 2: doing well. It's the Philly Show. It's Friday, July twenty fifth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. A big, big announcement. We mentioned it

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Speaker 2: on Monday Show. We got a live show coming to

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Speaker 2: you Sunday Manco and Manco on the Ocean City Boardwalks

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Speaker 2: this Sunday, July twenty seventh, eleven thirty am. If you

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Speaker 2: like fun, you like the Phillies, you like pizza, stop

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Speaker 2: by Manco and Manco. We will be there. We got

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Speaker 2: a couple guests showing up. I'm looking forward to this, guys.

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Speaker 2: I'm bringing the whole family down.

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Speaker 3: A couple of Philly icon They're not necessarily baseball guys.

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Speaker 2: But one baseball guy. Yes, yes, so we have so

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Speaker 2: we have some fun plan for everybody. So stop by

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Speaker 2: Manco and Manco on Sunday, Mike, my kids are looking

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Speaker 2: forward to it. We're gonna walk the board walk a

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Speaker 2: little bit after before I get on my flight on

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Speaker 2: Monday morning in Chicago. So check it out. Stop by,

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Speaker 2: say hello, we'll press the flesh. We'll kiss. We'll kiss

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Speaker 2: some babies, kiss some babies, right right, We got Ed

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Speaker 2: Wade coming up in a little bit. We chatted with

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Speaker 2: Ed Wade, Ruben's former boss. The first GM I ever covered.

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Speaker 2: It's right, Jim, I don't know how many, what number

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Speaker 2: GM that was for you, but we had a fun

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Speaker 2: conversation with Ed talking about the Wall of Fame induction,

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Speaker 2: shared some stories of his time was Phillies GM, so

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Speaker 2: check that out. The Phillies on Wednesday lost to the

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Speaker 2: Red Sox and Lemon innings, nine to eight. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of brutal, it was. It was a brutal It was

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Speaker 2: a brutal loss. Jesus Zarto had a no hitter through

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Speaker 2: four innings. I think he had six strikeouts through four innings,

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Speaker 2: all six strikeouts on sweepers. He was great. He was great,

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Speaker 2: and then the fifth inning happened. So let's start right

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Speaker 2: a no hitter through four innings and then the fifth

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Speaker 2: inning walks four guys, gives up a grand slam jazus

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Speaker 2: Lozardo in his first eleven starts this season eight and

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Speaker 2: three two point one five era in his last ten

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Speaker 2: Are you concerned?

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Speaker 4: Of course, that's a lengthy amount of you know time there. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, last ten starts is over eight. Of course

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Speaker 4: you concern nuts, you know, a serious trend and he

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Speaker 4: just sort of hits this wall. You know, last three starts,

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Speaker 4: he's blown two you know, a five nothing and a

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Speaker 4: but it's just happening a little bit too much with

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Speaker 4: this guy, especially contrasting to that great start he had.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he came out on Wednesday night and he

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Speaker 4: had that great sweeper. You know, it almost looked like

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Speaker 4: old school John Candelaria Steve Carlton type of action. I

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Speaker 4: And he's getting the swings and misses and his offense

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Speaker 4: gets him a big lead. You get home runs from

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Speaker 4: the guys. You you need home runs from right. You

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Speaker 4: Harper and then you know runners on base, his heart

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Speaker 4: rate must just go crazy and he just he doesn't

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Speaker 4: sudden the lead has gone. There's a lot of a

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Speaker 4: lot of factors in that game. Got fast in a hurry,

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Speaker 4: And you know, I hear Rob Thompson taking some heat

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Speaker 4: a basis loaded situation with the way he's pitching. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Lozardo needs to lock down that lead. It is a concern.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you pretty much unpacked it all there.

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Speaker 3: The concern I have is, you know, and this is

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Speaker 3: speeds up on him a little bit and they can't

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Speaker 2: He's an emotional kid.

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Speaker 3: He looks calm, his face looks calm, but it's obvious

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Speaker 2: I mean, you see it in.

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Speaker 3: Flashes, and he just has to figure out ways to

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Speaker 2: Step away.

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Speaker 3: See, it's one of the things that you can't do

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Speaker 3: It also makes you think, hey, maybe this is the

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Speaker 3: But the concern is can he can he calm his

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Speaker 4: That's gonna if you put him in the bullpen, Ruben

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.

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Speaker 4: The stretch is killing him. And stretch James speeding up

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Speaker 3: First it was the pitch tipping, then it was something else,

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Speaker 2: Bit more time. Jesus was asked that why not go

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Speaker 2: He's like, he basically said, I'm back to pitching out

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Speaker 2: my concern. Guys in the postseason. To me, he's the

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Speaker 2: But again, what happens. How much faith can you have him?

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Speaker 1: You know that.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get too yeah, I don't want

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Speaker 2: Is something he's going to have to do. I think

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Speaker 3: Stretch all the time and work on that because that's

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Speaker 3: it's something they're gonna have to straighten out. I know

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Speaker 2: Will also do it. They've got to figure it out

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Speaker 2: because he's too important. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: and future Wall of Famer Ed Wade Ed, thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining the Philly Show. How are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Happy to be with you guys? Doing fine?

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Speaker 2: I know it's a huge thrill. You're gonna be inducted

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Speaker 2: down on the Phillies Wall of Fame next weekend Alumni

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Speaker 2: Weekend at Citizens Bank Park. But can you describe the

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Speaker 2: Ruben and angle Boy.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's good that the two of them are together.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather just make fun of Ruben and Jim if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be great. You know, how did they We've

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Speaker 5: The old school that was willing to to build relationships

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Speaker 1: Jim was Jim was a true professional.

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Speaker 4: But I was always uh looking for looking for a

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Speaker 1: But you know, you you you know.

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Speaker 5: You're giving yourself to much credit here because I didn't

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Speaker 4: That's all right.

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Speaker 2: So what what you are going on the Wall of Fame?

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Speaker 2: Uh next weekend at Citizen Bank Park, and you can

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Speaker 5: To you, unbelievable, nothing that I ever ever dreamed of.

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Speaker 5: You know, I thought the I thought the best salute

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Speaker 1: The highest phrase that that would ever come our way.

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Speaker 1: But that's selfish on my part.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I remember that night well, when they won

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Speaker 5: Again, in all candor, I'm the general manager in Houston

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Speaker 1: And I had no idea what they were.

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Speaker 1: And as I said at the beginning, that that.

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Speaker 5: Was a validation that that I really never anticipated, didn't

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Speaker 1: But it meant the world to me because not only.

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Speaker 5: From the standpoint of Pat saying it, but Pat and

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Speaker 5: They work together in Houston and with the Yankees, and

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Speaker 4: He also said something as an introductory press conference. He

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Speaker 4: I mean you talk about mentors, You were that to Ruben, right, Reuben.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no question about it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously I'd never be in a front office

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Speaker 2: So that sort of goes without saying, but it must

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Speaker 3: You know, have great gratitude for what he did for

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Speaker 2: But I didn't want to.

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Speaker 3: What are your proudest moments as in front office? Man,

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Speaker 5: So first of all, I can without you know, throwing

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Speaker 5: But the reason that I hired that I hired Ruben,

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Speaker 5: There were so many boxes that that Ruben was able

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Speaker 5: And the answer was, my concern was not the people

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Speaker 5: We went through all that process and I didn't change

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Speaker 8: Well, the things that you're proudest of as far as

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Speaker 5: Well with regard to the Phillies circumstance, we fulfilled the

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 5: The thing that I'm proud of ist of there, and

442
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Speaker 5: it sort of gets lost in the shuffle. And this

443
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Speaker 5: is self serving on my part, but I went back

444
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Speaker 5: because there were some things being said about the depth

445
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Speaker 5: and system when the sale took place. So I'm back

446
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Speaker 5: and looked at the day that I was fired as

447
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Speaker 5: the general manager there there were forty three players in

448
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Speaker 5: the Astros organization who ended up playing the big leagues,

449
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Speaker 5: including a couple of MVPs award winner, a lot of

450
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Speaker 5: guys who were developed from within, a lot of guys

451
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Speaker 5: that came over in some of the trades that we

452
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Speaker 5: were forced to make. So I take pride in the

453
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Speaker 5: fact that that in both circumstances, although it didn't work

454
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Speaker 5: out during during during my time or quote unquote our time, uh,

455
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Speaker 5: things things did evolve the way that.

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Speaker 1: We had hoped they would would would would evolve. Uh.

457
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Speaker 1: I wish we were you know, it's sort of like

458
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Speaker 1: the like my running speed. I run a lot, but

459
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Speaker 1: I don't get very far.

460
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 5: And we just couldn't run this up fast enough to

461
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 5: make it all happen uh on on our watch or

462
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 5: my watch, whatever way you want to look at it.

463
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Speaker 5: But you know, always showed up every day trying to

464
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Speaker 5: trying to put our best foot forward organization first, and uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, fortunately it worked out in a couple of

466
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Speaker 5: different circumstances for a lot of a lot of really

467
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Speaker 5: good people you mentioned.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to say something about, uh, just overall work

469
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Speaker 3: ethic and what ED meant to me as far as

470
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Speaker 3: that was concerned. I think more than anything else, ED

471
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Speaker 3: would never add ask somebody to do something that he

472
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: wouldn't do himself. That's sort of his one of his mantras.

473
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Speaker 3: And you're in a lot of ways. I mean, you

474
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 3: were sort of forced to be there and to work,

475
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: and that's what we did. And he never told us

476
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Speaker 3: to do it. He never you know, necessarily enforced it.

477
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Speaker 3: But he did it because he did it every single day.

478
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Speaker 3: And I will I will not find anybody on this

479
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 3: planet who was more dedicated to being his best every

480
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Speaker 3: single day. And I thank you for that, Ed for

481
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Speaker 3: putting that in my heart as well.

482
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Speaker 1: Well. I appreciate that, you know.

483
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Speaker 5: I again, I've been doing a lot of reflecting leading

484
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Speaker 5: up to August first. You know, first of all, you

485
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Speaker 5: know why and how kind of thing. But one of

486
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Speaker 5: the things that that that I keep going back to

487
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 5: in my own mind. And I'll talk a little bit

488
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Speaker 5: in my three minute speech on that day unless the cheery,

489
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Speaker 5: you know, the terry Irishman might show up in the

490
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Speaker 5: middle of it and make it a little bit longer.

491
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Speaker 5: But you know, I reflect on so many people. I'm

492
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Speaker 5: a guy from Carbondale, Pennsylvania, a mediocre, mediocre journalism major,

493
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 5: mediocre college player, all that kind of stuff. And for

494
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Speaker 5: whatever reason, a lot of different people took an interest

495
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Speaker 5: in my career and helped me along the way, both

496
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Speaker 5: here in Philadelphia.

497
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Speaker 1: You know, whether it was was you.

498
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Speaker 5: Know, as an intern, Larry Shank hiring me two to

499
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Speaker 5: fifty an hour and all the tasty cakes I could

500
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Speaker 5: eat to be as an intern, and then paving the

501
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 5: way for Houston, giving my first opportunity, and the people

502
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 5: like Tal Smith over the years, and then when I

503
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Speaker 5: got a chance to come back here to be able

504
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 5: to you know, not only have Bill Giles and Dave

505
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Speaker 5: Montgomery overseeing things, but giving me the opportunity to re

506
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Speaker 5: engage with Paul Owens, to be able to pick Paul's

507
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 5: brain on a lot of different things. I can remember

508
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 5: Dave coming to me and saying, hey, would you have

509
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 5: interest in bringing Dallas Green back into the organization, And

510
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Speaker 5: you know, in a heartbeat, I said yes. And so

511
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 5: I had a lot of a lot of people just

512
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 5: over the years, and I sit back and say, well, what,

513
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Speaker 5: you know, why would these people take this type.

514
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Speaker 1: Of interest in me? And I guess.

515
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Speaker 5: Where would I have been in this whole process if

516
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 5: this person didn't step in, if that person didn't start

517
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Speaker 5: you know, I tell people. When I took the internship

518
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 5: with the Phillies, there were only there was only one

519
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 5: other job possibility, and that was writing obituaries for the

520
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 5: Scranton Tribune. I didn't want to write obituaries. My dad

521
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 5: was a funeral director. Along with being twenty seven years

522
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 5: on the Delaware Hudson Railroad, I didn't want to write obituaries.

523
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Speaker 5: And in retrospect, I think the Scranton Tribune wrote its

524
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 5: obituary about fifteen years ago. So I think I think

525
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 5: the internship from a professional standpoint, made a lot of sense.

526
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Speaker 5: And as I've I've talked about, everybody's heard me talk

527
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Speaker 5: about meeting the Phillies usherre atte at the fourth floor

528
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Speaker 5: elevator at the VET and this past January we celebrate

529
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Speaker 5: our forty fourth wedding anniversary, so with Gary Maddox as

530
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Speaker 5: my best man, all that stuff. So you know, those

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Speaker 5: are the types of things that I've always thought about them,

532
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 5: but I've had to focus a little bit more on them,

533
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Speaker 5: just from the standpoint of trying to absorb exactly how

534
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 5: I got to the point where August first is gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: New York. If you can't watch the game up in

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Speaker 2: New York, you're not going up to New York this weekend.

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Speaker 2: You must be twenty one.

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Speaker 4: If you mentioned a lot of people have helped you

572
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Speaker 4: and you don't know why. I know why, because there's

573
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Speaker 4: a goodness to you, Ed, and you're a very earnest man,

574
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Speaker 4: and people like to be around those type of people.

575
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Speaker 4: People see skill and goodness and they want to help

576
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Speaker 4: those type of people. But I just want to get

577
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Speaker 4: back to you mentioned it not happening fast enough, and

578
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 4: I've actually used that expression over the years. I mean,

579
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 4: during your time in Philadelphia, under today's rules, you would

580
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 4: have twice been a wildcard team and one other time.

581
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: I think you would have missed by one game. Uh,

582
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 4: the whole thing could have been different. We know how

583
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 4: the game is now. All you do is you got

584
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 4: to get in the postseason tournament and get hot twice.

585
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: You would have been in the postseason tournament. Who knows

586
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 4: what could have happened. You ever kind of look back

587
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 4: at that and say what might have been?

588
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 5: I think it's human nature to put things, you know,

589
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 5: going under in retrospect, think about how things might have been.

590
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 5: I don't dwell on it though. You know the rules

591
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 5: were what they were. There's all kinds of different rules.

592
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Speaker 7: You know.

593
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 5: Just think about the economic environment that exists now. Uh,

594
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 5: It's it's sort of mind boggling in that respect. But

595
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 5: you know, again, there were just we we had a

596
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Speaker 5: chance to do a lot of things. Uh, and we

597
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 5: set out on certain goals, and I think we've fulfilled

598
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 5: a lot of those goals.

599
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Speaker 1: Uh, in a in a timely fashion.

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Speaker 5: You know, you can't you can't push the you can't

601
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Speaker 5: push the accelerator, uh if there's no gas left in

602
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 5: the tank kind of thing. Uh.

603
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Speaker 1: And you can't you can't.

604
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 5: Always be looking over your shoulder and say, boy, I

605
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Speaker 5: wish this I wish that you know, you guys have

606
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 5: you know, you guys have said a lot of nice

607
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 5: things about me, Reuben kind of testifact. I have pretty

608
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 5: pretty pretty high temperature at some point in time, a

609
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 5: little bit of throwing stuff and and uh.

610
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Speaker 1: And saying the wrong thing at the right wrong time.

611
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Speaker 1: And you know, remember a part of my resumes I

612
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Speaker 1: actually had a player assault me.

613
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Speaker 5: So uh, you know, there's all kind of things that

614
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 5: to go into the whole process and and uh and

615
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 5: you know, doing the retrospective thing, Uh, there are there

616
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 5: are good things and bad things. You can't do much

617
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 5: about any of those types of circumstances. But again, I'm

618
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 5: really happy with the way things turned out for for

619
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Speaker 5: the organization as a whole. And I really look at

620
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 5: what's transpired over the last couple of months and what's

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00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 5: going to happen in August is a chance to salute

622
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Speaker 5: a lot of those people well.

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Speaker 2: And I think back about your tenure, and I think

624
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Speaker 2: back about how history could have changed if you had

625
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: kind of given up on your core beliefs or given

626
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: up on some of these players coming up through the

627
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: Phillies Farm system. And you know, I know you could

628
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 2: have traded that believe Chase Utley to Oakland at least one.

629
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: I remember I had one of my one of my

630
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: most memorable moments covering you was a day when Harold

631
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: Reynolds went on ESPN and he said it might have

632
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: been baseball tonight or just during the day, and he says, listen,

633
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Speaker 2: I've heard herd he heard because his brother was Ryan

634
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: Howard's agent, and he said, uh, you know, I heard

635
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: that Ryan Howard's representatives have faxed the Phillies a trade demand.

636
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: He's he's asking a formally requesting a trade from the Phillies.

637
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,239
Speaker 2: And this was, you know, I guess maybe the four

638
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: oh five off season or three oh four, you know,

639
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: trade downline, whatever it was. And I remember my office

640
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: calling me. I was working at the Inquiry at the time,

641
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: and and they say, hey, you know you got to

642
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: you got to call Ed and get a comment. So

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Speaker 2: I pull over on the side of the road. I'm

644
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Speaker 2: in my car and I call you Ed, and you

645
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: picked up and you're like hello, and I said, hey, Ed.

646
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: Harold Runners went on ESPN and says that Ryan Howards has, uh,

647
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Speaker 2: Ryan Howard's agent has demanded to trade. You're like yes,

648
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Speaker 2: and I said, h well, what's your response to that?

649
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: And I'll never forget this. You go duly noted, duly noted,

650
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Speaker 2: And then he went into the explanation, like, listen, he

651
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Speaker 2: is a prospect. We are under no obligation to trade

652
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: anybody in the farm system, and we are definitely not

653
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Speaker 2: just going to trade a talent like Ryan Howard because

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Speaker 2: his agent requests a trade. I understand we have Jim Tomey.

655
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Speaker 2: I understand they're both first basemen. But we are under

656
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Speaker 2: no obligation to trade Ryan Howard. And thank goodness, he didn't,

657
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: you know, thank goodness, he didn't sell low like a

658
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: lot of opposing gms wanted to buy him at you know,

659
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: at the time. But what do you remember about Ryan Howard,

660
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: the interest in him at the time, and and why

661
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: did you stick with him? I mean, you could have said, hey,

662
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: we got Jim Tomy signed for the next four or

663
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: five years, let's trade Ryan Howard and get a reliever

664
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: or you know, a mid, middle of the rotation starter.

665
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 5: Well, Ruben can attest to the fact that we felt

666
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 5: that Ryan was still the developing player. You know, he

667
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 5: still had a he still had a hole inside. Defensively,

668
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 5: he had a lot of ground to cover, and so

669
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 5: we weren't we weren't entertaining any ideas about moving and

670
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 5: that not that I can remember. We knew what Jim

671
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 5: Tomy represented when we got him, uh, but also at

672
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 5: some point in time it was gonna be Jim was going.

673
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: To be a bridge that got us to Ryan.

674
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 5: So you know, there were whether a Harold Reynolds or

675
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 5: you know, an agent or whatever, we weren't going to

676
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 5: be compelled to do something because of outside influences.

677
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: We we felt that we had the.

678
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 5: Right personnel in in in our in our organization, seeing

679
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 5: these players, evaluating these players, trying to balance where we

680
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 5: were and where we were, we thought we were capable

681
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 5: of getting and how how to get there. And I

682
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 5: think by virtue of the fact that we got Jim Tomy,

683
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 5: not only did that energize our fan base and and

684
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 5: and justify what we've been saying, but it also made

685
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 5: us a very strong club uh in and of itself,

686
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 5: and then gave us the opportunity to to take our

687
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 5: time with with Ryan.

688
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: You know what would have happened if.

689
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 5: We brought Ryan up prematurely and he struck out two

690
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty times in the in the season, and

691
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 5: at you know, nineteen errors at first base, you would

692
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 5: hear in just the opposite, why, you know what, why

693
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 5: why did they bring this guy up? You know, why

694
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 5: why didn't they go out and get something? You know,

695
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 5: they say that they're trying to get to the finish

696
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 5: line sooner rather than later. But now they're you know,

697
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 5: they're living through this. Might know, why not have it

698
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 5: happen a triple lay or whatever. We try to balance

699
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 5: all those things and take all those things into consideration.

700
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 5: Some of the decisions we made turned out very well.

701
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 5: Some of them are you know, were a train wreck.

702
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 5: But that's when you're tasked with making a lot of decisions.

703
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 5: You're gonna make some bad ones at certain top points

704
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 5: in time, but not not letting yourself be derailed by

705
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 5: a couple of mistakes or or misjudgments and and end

706
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 5: up in a worse position than than not only you anticipated,

707
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 5: but what you could have avoided if you had done

708
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 5: things a different way. Well, one other thing I would say,

709
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 5: if you know, if if let's let's take Tone out

710
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 5: of the thing and throw Ryan into the thing and

711
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 5: things went well, you know, from a self preservation standpoint,

712
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 5: I could have convinced myself you know this, you know,

713
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 5: from a from a self preservation standpoint, I should do

714
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 5: a B and C instead of instead of one two three.

715
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 5: But that wasn't the task. The task was at self preservation.

716
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 5: The task was fulfilling the obligations that we had in

717
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 5: the positions that were in, whether it was Reuben and

718
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 5: his position, or Mike Arbucklen his or whoever the manager was.

719
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 5: At any particular time, I thought we I thought we

720
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 5: did a good job on hiring two really good managers,

721
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 5: Larry Boe the smartest baseball man that I've ever been around.

722
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 5: But time and circumstance dictated that we had to do

723
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 5: something different. We bring we bring Charlie in, and the

724
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 5: first reaction that our fans have, oh, I can't understand it.

725
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 5: Whord this guy says, you know, country bumpk and all

726
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff.

727
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: But Rubin played for him. We had a lot of

728
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: good intel coming at that point in time.

729
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 5: We had Tony, so we had a lot of different

730
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 5: intel that we could we could grasp and figure out

731
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 5: that Charlie. We interviewed a lot of really good baseball

732
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 5: people who we could have taken. We could have stayed

733
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 5: with Bo as the manager. There were a lot of

734
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 5: different things we could do. But I'm a big believer

735
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 5: in time and circumstance, and Charlie was a perfect fit

736
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 5: for the time and circumstance.

737
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: Could I have predicted that?

738
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: Could we have predicted that it would be as successful

739
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 5: as as it has been. Where Charlie goes from being

740
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 5: considered the country bumpkin to not being able to buy

741
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 5: a meal for himself and the entire Tri state area.

742
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 5: We could not have predicted that. But we knew we

743
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 5: had a good baseball man in Charlie who fit the

744
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 5: profile of what we were trying to do, and fit

745
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 5: the time and circumstances.

746
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: And couldn't be happy.

747
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 5: Couldn't be happier with the tomy, with with bringing Jim in,

748
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 5: couldn't be happier with Charlie, couldn't be happier with given

749
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 5: Ryan the opportunity to get his feet on the ground

750
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 5: and become the player that he was at the big

751
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 5: league level. Could he have been there sooner than that

752
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 5: and make.

753
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: It all happen. We'll never know that, but we know

754
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: what happened on the back end, and it was really

755
00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: really good.

756
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 4: I one of the things I always say about that

757
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: Ryan Howard thing, did he stay too long in the minors.

758
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 4: People still debate that when Ryan Howard showed up he

759
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 4: hit three hundred. Maybe he did it just right, you know.

760
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 4: So I was wondering. You mentioned Jim Tolmy, one of

761
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 4: our favorites all of us. Do you still have the

762
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 4: famous email that you sent him on Thanksgiving morning to

763
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 4: help persuade him to come to Philadelphia.

764
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't know.

765
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 4: Remember it.

766
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: No, I don't.

767
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 5: We we did, you know, we did a lot of things.

768
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 5: We we were you know, we were recruiters. And I

769
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 5: remember Ruben and I at the gener Managers meeting and

770
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 5: h and we flew over to Arizona to H.

771
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: Who do we fly over to see?

772
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: It was in Tucson.

773
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was there.

774
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 4: I remember you guys offered him at twelve oh one. Uh,

775
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 4: when the free agency period started. That was pretty well

776
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 4: while we were.

777
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 5: All headed in different directions. I remember I've flew up

778
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 5: to We flew from the the we flew from the

779
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 5: the GM meetings and had had a meeting with I'm

780
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 5: drawing a blank nower.

781
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: The third baseman Bell, David David Bell. So we flew Reuben.

782
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: I flew to meet with David Bell.

783
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 5: Then Reuben flew someplace, and I flew up to the

784
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 5: state of Washington to meet with Jamie Moyer. I had

785
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 5: to wait till like one o'clock in the morning because

786
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 5: he was doing the charity event. We were chasing, chasing

787
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 5: big name pitching and.

788
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: And toy Well, Glavin was the primary guy, and then

789
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: we had Jamie, and then we had Paul Byrd, and

790
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 3: those were sort of the three guys.

791
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: But we were really sitting on Glavin waiting to see

792
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: if that was going to be and and so we.

793
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 5: Sort of deluded ourselves to think that we were really

794
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 5: in the hunt. But in the meantime I called Jamie

795
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 5: Moyer and I said, look, Jamie, if if they're offering

796
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 5: you something to stay in Seattle, take the deal because

797
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 5: we have to run this thing out. So he resigned.

798
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 5: Glavin signs with the Mets, and now Paul Byrd signs

799
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 5: with Atlanta. So we're now we're shut out, and I'm

800
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 5: driving December the twentieth, which is a tender deadline.

801
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm dry.

802
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 5: I got into my car here in Washington Township. I'm

803
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 5: driving to the ballpark and my phone rings and it's

804
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 5: John Surehols.

805
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: He said.

806
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 5: He said, we're gonna We're gonna non tender Kevin Millwood,

807
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 5: which obviously makes him a free agent. Anybody can sign him.

808
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 5: You know, if we put him in this circumstance, he's

809
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 5: going to get a multiyear contract from somebody. Would you

810
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 5: consider trading Johnny Estrada for Millwood? I said, John, I'm

811
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 5: on my way into the ballpark right now. I'll call

812
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 5: you when I get back. I drove into the parking

813
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 5: lot when in the office, talked to Ruben, talked to

814
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 5: Mike Garbuck, a couple other people, and I called John

815
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 5: back and we made the deal. Wow, at that point

816
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 5: in time, we had nothing, and all of a sudden,

817
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 5: something like that falls in our lap. And it was

818
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 5: the fastest trade we've ever made. It was a two

819
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 5: phone call trade. But sort of give you a long

820
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 5: and not necessarily answering that question about where we were

821
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 5: going and what we were trying to do. But these

822
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 5: were the types of things some some things just dragged

823
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 5: on and on and on and you never get to

824
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 5: the finish line. And sure, host John is a straight shooter,

825
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 5: and it was a deal that made sense for us.

826
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 5: You know, we had liber Thall as our catcher, We

827
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 5: had Hues coming through the system, and it made all

828
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 5: the sense in the world. And so we go from

829
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 5: a big, a big zero for our chase for starting

830
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 5: pitching to a guy that really contributed a lot for

831
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 5: our for our ball club and continued the progress that

832
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 5: we were making.

833
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: What do you remember about the interest in Chase Utley

834
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: And how close or not close did you ever come

835
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,959
Speaker 2: to trading? You know, Oakland always gets mentioned.

836
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: Never got close.

837
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 5: I thought, I think the open thing gets mentioned a

838
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 5: lot because of moneyball that in all honesty, we you know,

839
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 5: and and and I know Chase wasn't happy with the process,

840
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 5: you know, the progress or or or the pace that

841
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 5: his deal, but that our our problem wasn't going to

842
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 5: be guys getting ticked off that they're spending, in their

843
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 5: mind too much time in the development process. Our mistake

844
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 5: would have been if we had accelerated the process and

845
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 5: things didn't go right, particularly in a city like Philadelphia,

846
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 5: because if it doesn't go right at the beginning, guy's

847
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 5: got to dig himself on an early big ditch. Sometimes

848
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 5: it's not of their making, but it's in the making

849
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 5: of whether it's the meeta or the fan base, or

850
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 5: their their expectation of how fast something's.

851
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: Going to happen.

852
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: I remember you, so you signed a Hall of Famer

853
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: in Jim Tomey, also traded for a Hall of Famer

854
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: in Billy Wagner. You brought to Philadelphia Who's going in

855
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame next few days. I guess, right,

856
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: what do you remember about that trade going down?

857
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 5: Well, Ruben and I made the trade, right, you were

858
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 5: the general manager at the time, so I recollect?

859
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: Is that is that.

860
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:51,959
Speaker 2: Three four?

861
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 5: This?

862
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Yeah, Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

863
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 5: Jerry Hunter, who was the general manager in Houston at

864
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 5: the time, we we gave up three young pittures between

865
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 5: Brandon Duckworth. But again time and circumstance, we we had,

866
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 5: we had the financial wherewithal at that point in time,

867
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 5: uh to to to push the push the pedal. And

868
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 5: here's a guy that sort of wore out his welcome

869
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 5: in in Houston despite the great numbers that he put

870
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 5: up down there, obviously Hall of Fame numbers.

871
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: Uh So, to.

872
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 5: Be able to make a move like that again, time

873
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 5: and circumstance roll the clock back maybe two years before

874
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 5: that there's no way we're trading three pitch three young

875
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 5: pitchers anywhere because you didn't fit the profile of what

876
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 5: we were doing. But as we got closer to saying, hey,

877
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 5: you know we're this is real, this is real now,

878
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 5: this is realistic that we can we can be a

879
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 5: much better ball club. We had a chance to get

880
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 5: a premier closer who we know. My wife and I,

881
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 5: Roxanne and I are have been invited up to Cooperstown

882
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 5: this weekend. Not sure that Jimy or not sure that

883
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 5: that he'll talk to me because we didn't have that

884
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 5: great been great, that that great relationship when he was

885
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 5: with us. But you know, Billy was a Billy was

886
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 5: a special piece. Uh that that made a lot of

887
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 5: sense for us at the time that that he became available.

888
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: That's good stuff.

889
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: Man.

890
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: And when I when you got the job in Houston,

891
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 4: I called you up for an interview. He did a

892
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 4: great It was a great interview.

893
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: I ever get rid of you.

894
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 4: You could never get rid of me.

895
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 5: He's he's like poop on a shoe, Like poop on

896
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 5: a shoe.

897
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 4: You know. I I called you up and did an

898
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,959
Speaker 4: interview and reflected a little bit on your time in Philadelphia.

899
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,479
Speaker 4: But you said you had like two regrets, and one

900
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 4: was trade and chilling and one was firing Tito. Can

901
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 4: you reflect on those two you still feel that way?

902
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 5: Well, you know, in the case of both Scott Rowland

903
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 5: then and Uh and Kurt that there's no question that

904
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 5: they were tremendous players. Uh. To have them on your

905
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 5: ball club makes you a much better team. But it

906
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 5: really got to the point where both those guys where

907
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 5: it seemed like our timetable certainly.

908
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: Wasn't gonna fit with their timetable.

909
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 5: You know, get good and stay good doesn't resonate if

910
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 5: you're thinking, now is the time that I wanted to happen.

911
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: So I'm not.

912
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 5: Saying we were pressured into those types of deals, but

913
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 5: I think from the standpoint of the environment that we

914
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 5: were that we were trying to create, it made sense

915
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 5: to do painful as it was. You know, you're not

916
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 5: going to get a great return on on deals like

917
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 5: that because people understand that you're you know, you're sort

918
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 5: of over the barrel uh to to a great extent.

919
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 5: But you know that that that was a you know

920
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 5: that that was the the process and that that thing Terry,

921
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 5: Terry did a great job for us, There's no question

922
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 5: about that. But again I go back to the I've

923
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 5: already used the term time and circumstance and and and I.

924
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 5: We really felt that at that point in time we

925
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 5: needed a different approach in the clubhouse. We had a

926
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 5: lot of developing young players, uh and Terry was great

927
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 5: communicating with them, but we felt we had we had

928
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 5: to have some type of different direction in that regard.

929
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 5: And when you've got a chance to out forever in

930
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 5: a day, nobody will ever convince me otherwise. We hired

931
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 5: the smartest baseball man that I've ever met, in Larry

932
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 5: Bow to take to take that role. And obviously, from

933
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 5: a personality standpoint, Bow was different than than Terry and

934
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 5: his approach to things, and it wore on some players

935
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 5: and I get to all that part. But again, from

936
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 5: from the standpoint of where we were with that particular time,

937
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 5: it made sense to bring Bow in, even though Terry

938
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 5: went on to it has had a very tremendous career

939
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 5: as a manager, There's no question about that. But Bo

940
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 5: was the right guy at the right time, and Charlie

941
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 5: was the right guy at the right time. Both those guys,

942
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 5: all three of those guys I still consider friends. I

943
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 5: haven't talked to Terry in a long time. Last night,

944
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 5: I think last time I talked to him when he

945
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 5: recommended Brad Mills as our manager in Houston. I but

946
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 5: but the other completely completely enjoy still being around bow

947
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 5: and and and Charlie, and I think all three of

948
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 5: those guys made contributions to the organization and what Ruman

949
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 5: and I and others were trying to accomplish at those

950
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 5: various points in time. But again, time and circumstance dictated

951
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 5: that those moves were the right things. And I still

952
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 5: stand by the fact that I believe, not the fact,

953
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 5: but my belief is that we made the right moves

954
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 5: at the right time.

955
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: And I mean, I remember when you hired Charlie, you

956
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: brought in Jim Leland for an interview, and I think

957
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons everybody was just up in arms.

958
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: They just went crazy, Oh my gosh, Jim Leland. And

959
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: you know Jim Leland, I you know, it was like,

960
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: you know, he was probably too uh opinionated, and they

961
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 2: didn't want anybody with opinions in the in the manager seat.

962
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: And I mean, I just remember you getting absolutely throttled

963
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: for that move at the time. You've talked about it already, but.

964
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Jim, Jim wasn't the only I think the

965
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: world of Jim. I've known Jim.

966
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 5: I know, I know Jim's white before he was married

967
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 5: to Katie and in in in Pittsburgh when I was

968
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 5: a pr guy there, So I've got still have tremendous

969
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 5: tremendous steam pulled him a tremendous esteem, as well as

970
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 5: a number of other guys that we interviewed. We had

971
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 5: a lot of good candidates come through the room. But

972
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, again we had some

973
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 5: inside information from Reuben and some others with regard to Charlie,

974
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 5: there was some other you know, I reached out and

975
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 5: talked to a lot of people who had a lot

976
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 5: of these candidates in.

977
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: Rules with their clubs, got their opinions on things.

978
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, it wasn't so

979
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 5: much eliminating other people as saying, Okay, who fits best

980
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 5: for our circumstance, our situation at this point in time.

981
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 5: You know, some people said that you know, you know,

982
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 5: Jim's going to be a little bit like bo which

983
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 5: is not a bad thing to any stretch of the imagination.

984
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 5: But we needed something that turned to a little bit

985
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 5: of a different corner there, and Charlie was the right guy.

986
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 5: It wasn't a case of this guy's not the guy.

987
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 5: Great candidates, but you have to say, well, okay, what

988
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 5: guy makes the most sense for us at this point

989
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 5: in time?

990
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 4: Right, ed, you're going on the Wall of Fame with

991
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 4: Jimmy Rollins. When you guys selected him in the draft,

992
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 4: you were in the front office assistant GM. You're the

993
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 4: guy who brought him to the majors. As GM, you

994
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 4: saw him mature and become a great one right before

995
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 4: your eyes. What does it mean to you to kind

996
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 4: of share that night with Jimmy.

997
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 5: It means a great deal, not only from the standpoint

998
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 5: of Jimmy getting his just deserve, but but I also

999
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 5: think that it's a it's a really big thing for Again,

1000
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 5: the scouts, you know, Mike, Mike Arbuckle and Marty Wooliver

1001
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 5: and the guys that work worked for both those guys,

1002
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 5: they they they built the cornerstone of that eight club.

1003
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 5: There's no question about that. With the work that they did.

1004
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 5: And again, what I what I said previously about our

1005
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 5: player development, situation. We spent a lot of time getting

1006
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 5: the right personnel in place who were willing to teach

1007
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 5: the Phillies' way and understanding what we were talking about

1008
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 5: the fundamental staying the same from rookie ball all the

1009
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 5: way through Triple A. Obviously, when guys get hiring your

1010
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 5: minor league system, it gets more difficult because you got

1011
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 5: a little bit of mercenaries there, guys bouncing around. But

1012
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 5: everybody was on the same page with regard to if

1013
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 5: we're going to build this thing from within, it's got

1014
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 5: to be the proper structure. It's got to be the

1015
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 5: proper structure that finds the right players to go into

1016
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 5: the system and once they're in the system, to be

1017
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 5: able to progress and become the types of players that

1018
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 5: they have to be whether they're going to play a

1019
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 5: veteran stadium or Citizens Bank Park. And really I take

1020
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 5: pride in the fact that we were able to build

1021
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 5: that type of infrastructure that allowed us to have these

1022
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 5: guys developed the way that they did.

1023
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 4: When you saw Jimmy and the Miners early on, did

1024
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 4: you know he was going to be a great one?

1025
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 5: I think from the standpoint of tools and personality, it

1026
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 5: was a perfect. It was a perfect situation. There was

1027
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 5: no question that our scouts hit it right on the nose.

1028
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 5: With regard to his ability to play, You're talking about

1029
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 5: a switch hitting short stop with great hands and great speed.

1030
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

1031
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 5: And then from a personality standpoint, I remember his first

1032
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 5: first spring training with us. It was like it was

1033
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 5: his fifth spring training in the big leagues.

1034
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: He was he was, he was.

1035
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 5: He was everything that you would want from the standpoint

1036
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 5: of a guy that's going to put it out on

1037
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 5: the field, but also willing to uh to make his

1038
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 5: presence known in the clubhouse and handle all the other

1039
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,959
Speaker 5: things he would have to handle it once he gets

1040
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,439
Speaker 5: to the big leagues, particularly when he becomes the type

1041
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 5: of player.

1042
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: That he became.

1043
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: And I want to ask you, I want to see

1044
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: if you remember this story. This is something that is

1045
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: seared in my memory bank, and Jim knows. Jim knows

1046
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: this story. So my first year covering the Phillies was

1047
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: two thousand and three. I started in April two thousand

1048
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: and three. I was covering high school sports for the INKORPT.

1049
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: I didn't know what the hell I was doing, so

1050
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: I was I was bending.

1051
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 5: Didn't either, but we just sort of walked past that.

1052
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: What I was calling Jim on his home line all

1053
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 2: the time is and probably thought I was like, oh

1054
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: my god, who'd you hire? But I would ask a

1055
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: lot of people for advice on what to do because

1056
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: I really did want to learn and get good at

1057
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: the job. And I realized I didn't know anything. So

1058
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: I cover the season my first season, and O three,

1059
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 2: now we're getting into the off season. Now I'm really

1060
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: panted because now if I have a question, I can't

1061
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: just run in you add on the field or in

1062
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: the dugout or in the press club or whatever. I'm like,

1063
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 2: what do I do? So I start. I was calling

1064
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 2: different people former inquirer where I was asking Jim alive advice,

1065
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: and I called one of my college buddies, Joe Christiansen,

1066
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: who covered the Orioles for the Baltimore Sun and at

1067
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: the time the Twins for the Minneapolis Starred Combune. I said, Joe,

1068
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: any advice on how to cover the off season? So yeah,

1069
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: just just just give at a call like every day

1070
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. And I go, what

1071
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 2: and he goes, yeah, just just call it at the

1072
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: end of the day, just like for you know, five

1073
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 2: minutes just kind of see what's going on. You pick

1074
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: his brain, you know, to come up with something to

1075
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: ask him. And I go every day and he's like, yeah,

1076
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: I call Terry Ryan like every day. I just talk

1077
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: with him for a few minutes. I go, all right,

1078
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: So so I call. I call you the first This

1079
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: is a friend of mine.

1080
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: Is he still a friend?

1081
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: This is a respected baseball writer. So I call you

1082
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: the first day and you were always great. I mean

1083
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: you're you're great. First GM to cover, I will say that,

1084
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: and you always treated me very well. Uh So I

1085
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: call you the first day and you're just talk to

1086
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: you an blah blah blah. I called you the second

1087
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: day and you're like, you know, same thing. You were great.

1088
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: And then I called you the third day and very

1089
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 2: very respectfully, you go that I got to tell you,

1090
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 2: I hope you're not planning on calling me every.

1091
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Speaker 3: Day, and so so I go, so I tried to

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Speaker 3: say face and I go, yeah.

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00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, now, what are you crazy? What do you

1094
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: think I'm gonna call you every day? Only would do that?

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Speaker 2: Ed call Jim up and I go, Jim, I think

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00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 2: I pissed off Ed.

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Speaker 1: I talked to Joe.

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Speaker 2: He told me to call ed every day, and I

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00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 2: mean it was just silent, you know. So Jim must

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00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 2: have hung up the phone, turned it in and said,

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00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: I think we've hired it moron to cover it. But

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00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 2: do you recall And I'm sure you don't, but maybe

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00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: you do it. Do you remember me doing that the

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00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: first off season and you're like, what an idiot? Who

1105
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: is covering the Phillies for the Philadelphia Inchoir?

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Speaker 5: No, I really didn't. There were enough idiots in the

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00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 5: mill in the media at that point in time that

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00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 5: you would have to really do a lot of really

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00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 5: bad stuff to match some of some of the particularly

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00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 5: the columnists that existed at that point in time.

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Speaker 1: That makes me feel better about it. I don't remember

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00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: telling you that.

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00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 4: I told him, Man, you can't be afraid to piss

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00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 4: people off. So you very good at it, Jim, So

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00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 4: that down to an art One day, I actually you

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00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 4: talked about bringing Reuben into the front office. I actually

1117
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 4: broke that story. It was it ninety eight, you were finishing,

1118
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 4: it was your last year playing.

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00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 3: It was ninety eight, and one of your cohorts got

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00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 3: really upset, so I break.

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00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 4: So we're in We're in Turner field ed in early September,

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00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 4: late August, early September, and it's during VP and I'm

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Speaker 4: sitting there in the dugout during VP and Ruben finishes

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00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 4: his round of VP's in uniform, obviously, and he comes

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00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 4: into the dugout and basically just wise cracks everybody sitting there,

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00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 4: you know, insults everybody sitting there. It gives him a

1127
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 4: little little hard time as he can do. And somebody

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00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 4: turns to me and goes, can you believe he's gonna

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00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 4: be our assistant GM next year? And I go, you're right,

1130
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 4: that's hard to believe. So I do some sniffing around

1131
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 4: and spend about a half hour sniffing around, and I'm like,

1132
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 4: I got myself story here, and I said, I just

1133
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 4: gotta do one thing. I gotta call Ed Wade. I

1134
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 4: gotta so I dial you up at home and I said, Ed,

1135
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 4: are you gonna spit out your cheerios if you read

1136
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 4: in the morning that Ruben's going to be your assistant

1137
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 4: GM next year? And there was this long pause and

1138
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 4: you go, no, you didn't get it from me.

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00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: How much did it cost Ruben to have you make

1140
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: that phone call to me? No?

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00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 4: Ruben lied to my face when I put it to him.

1142
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: Oh, well, I I actually I don't know.

1143
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: My interfmit is messing up right now. Hopefully you guys

1144
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 2: are picking me up. But I think, uh.

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00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: More than anything else, I mean, I don't think. I

1146
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 3: didn't think it was my space, and nor was it

1147
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 3: my job to be you know, cutting that cutting that information.

1148
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: And so I had to tell folks.

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00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 3: That it wasn't happening, but with the reality that it was,

1150
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 3: and uh, that was I was sort of in a

1151
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 3: in a tough position as far as the media was concerned.

1152
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 3: I don't think I got off on the right foot

1153
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 3: with him.

1154
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 2: I wasn't very honest, but.

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00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 3: I know sometimes just sometimes you can't reveal all all

1156
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: the cards.

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00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, we we thought that it was it was the

1158
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 5: right decision to make and and the appropriate thing was

1159
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 5: to give give Reuben his space and in the with

1160
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 5: regard to to his role at that point in time,

1161
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 5: because if it became sort of a not so quiet

1162
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 5: thing that's going to happen, it probably would have an

1163
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 5: impact on his relationship with player other players and you

1164
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 5: all of a sudden there's just a pipeline to the

1165
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 5: upstairs kind of thing.

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00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: And we never treated it that.

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00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 5: Way that this was, as I said at the beginning

1168
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 5: of the of this conversation that we've been having. This

1169
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 5: this was, you know, trying to figure out who the

1170
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 5: the right person was, the skill set uh that that

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00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 5: that person would bring that we may not have already

1172
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 5: on board, and being able to bring a at that

1173
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 5: point who would be a former player of this generation,

1174
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 5: of that generation, bilingual, you know, the Philly ties, his

1175
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 5: dad's ties to the organization, the lifelong aspect that that brought.

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 5: It made a lot of sense, But it also made

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00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 5: a lot of sense not to be out there broadcasting

1178
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 5: it because of what I said previously, No question it

1179
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 5: it sort of taints the relationships that Ruben possibly or

1180
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 5: obviously did have with his teammates and and for that

1181
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 5: matter of the coach as a manager on the club.

1182
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 4: Completely completely understandable. Well, you guys were a good team. Man,

1183
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 4: You guys were a good team. Fun to cover, always fair,

1184
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 4: and from my end, I'm very grateful.

1185
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 7: You know.

1186
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 5: The part that bozs me a little bit is you

1187
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 5: had fun doing it, so you know, knowing you is

1188
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 5: probably the most fun you had was when you could

1189
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 5: write those little rip stories about it.

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Speaker 4: Here and there. But you know, I enjoyed getting your

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00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 4: Irish shop because you mentioned that you can get a

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00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 4: little hot temper, and I've seen it, I've felt it,

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00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 4: and I can confirm.

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00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: Well, you never reached the Bill Conlins status.

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00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, thank you.

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00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: That exactly well.

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Speaker 2: Ed, Thank you so much for spending the time with us.

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Speaker 2: We had a lot of fun catching up. And I

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Speaker 2: really hope again congratulations on going on the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Well deserved. And I hope you hope you enjoy the weekend.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you, and I enjoyed this because three good

1202
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 5: guys and I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Thanks.

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00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: Congratulations, Ed. Happy for you, my man, Thank you, well deserved.

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