1 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: They tell you what I'm doing for Valentin, say tomorrow. 2 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: It's really cute, assuming I get it. Let out of 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: the whoscal At metrograph. They're showing a couple of romantic films. 4 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: The first one is Baz Luhrman, you're fellow Australian Baz 5 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Luhrman's Romeo and Juliet, which was like our era, you 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: know film. And then I'm taking her to dinner at 7 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: the Commisary. But it's a surprise, so I'm gonna have 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: her meet me there. 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: Nice. 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: She shows me she loves me by calling it a 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: paxslivid prescription. The second I show signs of having COVID. 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: It gets me medicine delivered. You know, her love language 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: is competence. 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: All right, let's get going. 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: Let's get going, Renee. It's the day after the super Bowl. 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: It's collective America's hangover. I know, we have so much 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: tennis to talk about. I'm particularly excited about talking e 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 1: bing Wu, China's first ATP champion ever, which is cool. 19 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm excited about talking European, Indoors, Middle Eastern. We have 20 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: a lot of tennis is here. It's everywhere, and there's 21 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: lots of stuff. But first, do you want to just 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 1: briefly touch on the Super Bowl? 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: Oh? Sure? Did you watch it from start to finish, Caitlin. 24 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: I'll be honest about a couple of minutes after Rihanna. 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: I was so hype about Rihanna and not hope about 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: the football that for the third quarter I watched an 27 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: episode of Physical one hundred, the Korean show where everyone 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: does feats of strength, and then I came back and 29 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: watched the very end of the football game. 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: Wow, you are an interesting human being. It's the only 31 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 3: thing that I can say. Let me start by saying 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: that it was a fantastic game. The first time there 33 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 3: was a couple of first first time we've ever had 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: two black quarterbacks in the Super Bowl facing each other, 35 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: which was a monumental moment and an amazing moment because 36 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: they both played so well too, which was just an 37 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: amazing moment to witness. And an all female flyover on 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: the on the national anthem, and that Chris Stableton national anthem. 39 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: Was ah Chef's kiss. It was really good. 40 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm not like a huge country fan, but he crushed it. 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: He really crushed it. 42 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: Well. 43 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: I love Chris Stapleton anyway, And I love the fact 44 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: that he didn't do it with his hat on, which 45 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: was really interesting to me because the guy never gets 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 3: seen without his hat when he's performing. So that was 47 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: a really nice moment for me. And I just thought 48 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: it was beautiful. I mean, it's got to be. That's 49 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 3: got to be. I think just behind Whitney Houston. No 50 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 3: all will ever surpass Whitney Houston, but that Chris Stapleton 51 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: was just masterfully done with the guitar and his incredible 52 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 3: voice and the illicit like you saw the Philadelphia coach 53 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: Sirianni Like crying on the side. 54 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: It was an amazing moment. 55 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: My favorite tweet was posting pictures of that guy crying 56 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: and somebody was like, this is me making onion dip 57 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: for the Rihanna ball, which I think sort of summed 58 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: up what a lot of my friend group was watching 59 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: it for, which was Rihanna. 60 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: There's no question I was watching for Rihanna as well. 61 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 3: I do like football, so I do it. I did 62 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: enjoy the game a lot. I thought the Philadelphia team 63 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 3: came out playing unbelievable and spare a thought for Jalen Hurts, 64 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 3: who had literally a career night, absolutely incredible. 65 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: A moment for him. He ran in a couple you know, 66 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: I think three touchdowns himself. I was just he. 67 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: Played rushing record for quarterbacks of often. 68 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like it was overwhelmingly a positive night 69 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: for him. Sadly for him, one one screw up when 70 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 3: he lost the ball in his own twenty and they 71 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: got the ball back Kansas City and ran it in 72 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: and that was when Philadelphia had full control. 73 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: They were up by a touchdown. They were they had 74 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: the ball back again. 75 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: They made a great defensive stop and they looked like 76 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: maybe they go down and go up by fourteen. 77 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: You know, who knows what happens. 78 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: But turn that ball over was so monumentally tough for him, 79 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: but God loving, he went over and said to his 80 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: whole offensive line, like, let's go, guys. 81 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: That was on me. 82 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 3: And he goes and plays an incredible couple of downs, 83 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: you know, in the next series and scores again. They 84 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: go up to touch you know, get back up a touchdown, 85 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: they get to ten points up and then Mahomes comes 86 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 3: out in the second half and just played incredibly well. 87 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: And you know, the defense from Philly was a bit 88 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 3: suspect in a couple of plays which they are known 89 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: for their incredible defense all year, So I don't know 90 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: what happened there. That was a breakdown on their communication. 91 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 3: And let me just say at the end, yes, I 92 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: didn't have a dog in this fight. 93 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: I didn't care who wins, who won the game. 94 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: But what the f with that bullshit call with like 95 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: a minute and a half to go. They had not 96 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: called a holding call, I believe all night long, and 97 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 3: then you decide to throw the flag on such an 98 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: innocuous hole. 99 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: I mean it was a hole. Everybody said it was 100 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: a hole, but there was like one. 101 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: Hundred and fifty holds in the second half alone that 102 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: no one pulls up because the game play. 103 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: Two minutes and a massive, massive It reminds me of 104 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: what you said about the Serena and Naomi Osaka match 105 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: about yes, everyone was coaching, Yes, Patrick Moradigli was coaching. Yes, 106 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: Serena doesn't even really get coached. But to make that 107 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: call at that time in that situation, bullshit. 108 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 3: It's like, come on, let them play. They stopped them, 109 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: they kick a field gold, they'll go up by three. 110 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 3: You got a minute and a half to go. 111 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: Let's go. Let's see if they can do it. 112 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 3: Let's see if they can score a touchdown to win 113 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 3: or kick a field gold to make it. You know, 114 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: even maybe we go into overtime, even more grate football 115 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: to play and you call that bullshit call and that 116 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: ended the game. That ended the game. Then they got 117 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: the ball back and they just ran the clock down. 118 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: And what a shitty ending to a great game. And 119 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: I don't call Anyone. 120 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: Says, ooh, it's a rule. He was hold. Give me 121 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: a break. 122 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 3: Go through the whole game and see how many times 123 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 3: people were held and they didn't call it. So you 124 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 3: can't call it then when you hadn't called it the 125 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 3: whole match. Long game, long anyway, But kudos to Kansas City. 126 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 3: They're an incredible fan base. I know of friends that 127 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: are Kansas City fans and people from Kansas City. I 128 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 3: also know a lot of people from Philadelphia, namely Chris McKendree, 129 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: my captain, Chris ESPN and Lisa Raymond, my old Doubts partner. 130 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: They were all very sad, but what a great game and. 131 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: A really well played game, and in good spirit from everyone, 132 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 3: and that is led by the coaching. They're both such 133 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: nice guys, those coaches, and that you can tell. It 134 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: just bleeds down through the whole team and the Kelsey brothers. 135 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: What a great story crying at the end, like the 136 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: mom is like, honey, well done. 137 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: And then I love sports so much. Sports are so great, 138 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: and you're right, both of those teams were really I 139 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: didn't really have a dog in the fight either, although 140 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: sometimes I pick which team I like based on mascot, 141 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: which would have to be the Eagles because Kansas City 142 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: you have to change your name a and that chant 143 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: is awful or has place has better food, and I'm 144 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: here to report Kansas City has really, really really good food, 145 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: better food than Philadelphia. H Okay, all right, well I 146 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: think it's. 147 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 3: I actually, when you speak about the mascot, it was 148 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: a masterful catch by the Philadelphia Eagles on the sideline 149 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 3: the Eagle, it was like the one of the funniest 150 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: parts of the game. And he was like, yes, And 151 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: I want to give props to T Mobile. I thought 152 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 3: their commercial was the best with Bradley Cooper. Oh it 153 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: was Bradley Cooper's mom just basically giving him shit. I 154 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 3: thought that was brilliant. 155 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: I mean, so my takeaway was more moms, just more moms. 156 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: Serena was in two commercials. Oh my gosh, we should 157 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: talk about Serena. I think this is a theory. I 158 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: think Serena saw Nameosaka's name at the top of the 159 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: highest paid female endorsement list the last couple of years 160 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: and said, uh uh, she gets coming for the bag. 161 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: She got paid. Michaelo paid her, Hennessy paid her, like 162 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: she got her money's worth out of Super Bowl. God 163 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: bless her because get your back. 164 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: God bless her. And I said, wouldn't it wasn't it? 165 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: Isn't it nice that she's fully embracing retirement by just 166 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: pumping the alcohol totally golf. I did will I will 167 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: tell you that a little insider. I did text her 168 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: and I said, I said, you can. 169 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: Coach me after that. That was so well done. 170 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: Like she was like, tell, I didn't understand the commercial 171 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: was a bit weird because she's like coaching and then 172 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: and then it just goes have a Remy Martin Like 173 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: I was like, what. 174 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: Didn't seem if it's a product at all? And the 175 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: field was on fire at some point. Peter was like, Hey, 176 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: is that Serena Williams And I was like, yes, it 177 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: is good job. I mean I always get excited when 178 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: my son recognizes the tennis players, I mean all those 179 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: Serena is like a pretty a gimmy because I've been 180 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: in a sushi is And then he was like, what 181 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: was that a commercial for? 182 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: And you're like, coaching. 183 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, she should have done she should have done what 184 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: all coaches do, which is give the speech, you know, 185 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: and they all go out and they go into the field, 186 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 3: and then she goes back in the office and grabs 187 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 3: a Remy Martin. It just goes, Yes, that's what would 188 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: have been appropriate in that situation. 189 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: But well, attention to Remy Martin. You have a new 190 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: creative consultant by the way of Renee Stubbs. You're gonna 191 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: make a commercial about coaching. Who better to ask than 192 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: America's coach who bet. 193 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: And Billy Jane. 194 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: She got a little show off in the in the 195 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 3: in the the women's touch football thing, you know, was 196 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: trying to grab the flags and she was like in 197 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: the car, in the car. 198 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: With the Mexican superstoff who was running away from everybody. Yeah, 199 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: the commercials are really good. I mean it was the 200 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: Rehanna ball for me. I like that. She just like 201 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: casually did some choreographer, but was like, listen, I have 202 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: too many good songs. You guys can deal with the 203 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: amount of emotion that I'm investing in this and it's 204 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: enough but maybe not too much. 205 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 3: And I don't know about you, Caitlin, but if you 206 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 3: check my Twitter feed, you will note that I did 207 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: say that I hope she starts with you, bitchberg bring 208 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: my money. 209 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: A great, great opener. I was extremely pleased. So the 210 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: Rihanna ball did not disappoint and she was doing it 211 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: for pregnant women everywhere. What's not the like? Okay, so tennis, 212 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: you watched a lot of it. We were just watching 213 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: some this morning when we talked earlier. For those of 214 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: you curious, yes, Renee and I do check in via 215 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: phone and FaceTime almost on a daily basis. 216 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: Therapy. We just have therapy every day. 217 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: By the way, before you say anything further, everybody out there, 218 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 3: poor old Caitlin after three years of like being an 219 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 3: asshole about never getting and it's finally gotten COVID. Okay, 220 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 3: so she's at home, she's sitting in her quarantine. She 221 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: finally got COVID. And you sound good, You sound fine. 222 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: She's got a mask not over her face now because 223 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 3: she's doing this podcast, but she's had to live with 224 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: her family having to wear a mask. 225 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: So Caitlin, I hope you're feeling better. 226 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: Thank you, I got some delivery. I'm fine. I'm totally fine. 227 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: It's very mild. But I my pride is wounded, which 228 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: is that I can't feel surprised. You thought I was like, 229 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: ohts totally. A guy came to drop off some Vietnamese fuh, 230 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: which is my Vietnamese penicilin whenever I feel sick. Where 231 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: that The first night I had a little bit of 232 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: a sore throat and he got to the door and 233 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: dropped off the bag and I was wearing a mask, 234 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: and he looked at me like, oh this loser, Like 235 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: who is still wearing a mask by themselves indoors? And 236 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's for you. 237 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: You should have said to him, come back and give 238 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: me that face and I'll coffin your face. 239 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: So I did watch a lot of tennis this weekend, 240 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: as in you, I have to say for me, the 241 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: biggest fun story was Ebing Wu Wui bing Chinese guy. 242 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: I first saw him play at the US Open. I 243 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: think it was not last summer, but two summers ago, 244 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: he handled the field in Dallas at the Dallas Open, 245 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: which looked to be a very fun tournament. I have 246 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: not been to that tournament, but it looked like it 247 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: was rollicking, and I liked how Blair was giving everyone 248 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: giant cowboy hats when they won their matches, which is 249 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: a nice touch. Did you see this guy play at all? 250 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: Geary Nathan wrote a really great piece for us in 251 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: the newsletter around on the site over the weekend. No 252 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: Chinese player has ever won an ATP title, and now 253 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: that is no longer true. No Chinese player before ebing 254 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: Wu had ever won an ATP title. He looked ferocious, 255 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: he was moving well, he had all the answers for 256 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: a big serving John Isner. But also he beat Taylor Fritz. 257 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: What a great title run. 258 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, what an amazing story. I mean to be the 259 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 3: first Chinese player male player to ever win a tournament 260 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 3: on the ATP, especially after the success of all the 261 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: you know, Chinese women tennis players over the years with doubles, 262 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 3: Grand Slams and singles of course with li Na and 263 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 3: the amount of you know, just just incredible results over 264 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: the last ten to fifteen years of all the women 265 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 3: so to finally have a male breakthrough this is like 266 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 3: huge for China. I mean huge for Chinese tennis. Sadly 267 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 3: for them, they don't have any ornaments there anymore because 268 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 3: of COVID and you know the Punng Chai situation. But 269 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 3: and incredibly, he hasn't been home for over a year 270 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 3: because of all the restrictions with COVID. You know, these 271 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 3: players from China have done it really really hard during 272 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: the pandemic because they haven't a lot of them don't 273 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 3: go home because they have to do the two week quarantine. 274 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: They're worried about not being allowed to get back out 275 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 3: of the country so much that they have to deal with. 276 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 3: So the fact that he is able to do this 277 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: after all the trials and tribulations that he's had over 278 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 3: the last few years, it's just it was great. And 279 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: to be down that many break match points against John Isner, 280 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: who missed that really easy volley on match point on 281 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: his own match point, and then just to keep fighting. 282 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,599 Speaker 3: So to beat John Is not in a final with 283 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: a tie break, two tiebreaks, mind you, was quite incredible 284 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: because you know, we saw JJ Wolf go down in 285 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: the third set tiebreak in the semi finals because he 286 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: just didn't play. He didn't play great tiebreaks whereas Wu 287 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: did and that's why he was the winner. So it's 288 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 3: a huge moment for the ATP and huge moment for 289 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: men's tennis in China. 290 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 1: Do you think, especially if you're playing John, isn'ter on 291 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: a hardcourt indoors? I mean that's served the way he 292 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: took away isn't her serve and those key moments was 293 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: the differentiator. I love playing tybreaks. I think that they're 294 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 1: my favorite format of tennis because they're so immediate and 295 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: every point counts. Do you have a specific like coaching 296 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: philosophy if you have a player who's going into a tiebreak, 297 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: like what are you telling that player like get the 298 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: first point momentum? Like how do you tell about. 299 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: Honestly, you've got to have such a short memory in tiebreaks, 300 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: like you know you could, particularly against a big server, 301 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: if you get down an early break, you cannot let 302 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 3: it bother you. You cannot be like that's it, I'm 303 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 3: gonna lose. Now you're gonna because everybody gets nervous. I mean, 304 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: look at John's volley on match point, Like everybody gets nervous. 305 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: It's not easy to win a match. It's not certainly 306 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: not easy to win a tournament. Everybody gets nervous. It 307 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: doesn't matter how many tournaments you won, or you know 308 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: what you've been through in the past, or how good 309 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: you are in tiebreaks. John isn't, it still gets nervous. 310 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: And so I think the critical thing for anyone in 311 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: tiebreaks is literally it's the most basic of basic comments. 312 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: Every point. Just concentrate on every point and let the 313 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 3: last one go because you cannot. I mean, you can't 314 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 3: afford to lose think about the past when you're playing 315 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: a game, but you can sort of get away with 316 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: it if you have a brain fit for two points, 317 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 3: but you cannot in a tiebreak, and you certainly can't 318 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: do that against someone as great a server as John 319 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: is nto if you have any kind of mental laps 320 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 3: for one or two points, and that's what happened to 321 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: JJ Wolf. He had one or two points that he 322 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: didn't quite take advantage of, and then bang, the match 323 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 3: was over. So I think the most important thing for 324 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: anyone out there is to be you know, you didn't 325 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 3: take the route of a Novak Djokovic who just literally 326 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: locks down. He doesn't make an error in time breaks 327 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: and he makes you beat him or you take you know, 328 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 3: the opposite, which is be super aggressive and like really 329 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 3: put your opponent under like that, under the pump immediately 330 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: and have that. It's very important in time breaks have 331 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 3: good energy and to have positive energy. And so I 332 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: think that that was, you know, the the difference maker 333 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 3: in this match. 334 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And I think for me, the reason 335 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: I like taybreak so much is because you can't waste 336 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: a point. The many momentum shifts. Going from having a 337 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: sitter volley on match point and then being down a 338 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: match point is a two point swing, Like that's crazy 339 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: to me. I love that so much. I like the 340 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: immediacy of it. Let's go over to the women a 341 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: little bit, because we had two amazing results over the weekend. 342 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: We were in Linz and Abu Dhabi. My girl chen 343 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: Win had a baller tournament, took out Aspenko, who still 344 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: has those dreads. Can we just can we not talk 345 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: about it? Okay? Yes, I just want to say maybe 346 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: the Hague should get involved for war crimes. She took 347 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: out Asapenco, and she took out Kazakina, went down to 348 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: Lyudmila Samsonova in three in the semis. This this was 349 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: a big, big result for Samanova to you know, like 350 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: what a good field. Yeah. 351 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, she struggled a bit this year. She's been a 352 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: bit off, you know, on on and off, particularly off 353 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: the way she played last year, particularly from you know, 354 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: midway through the season. She was just incredible, very very 355 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: one of the best players last year at the end 356 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 3: of last year. But she played such a good match, 357 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: and you know, she's such a nice girl. Like the 358 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: way she lost, she should have won that match. She 359 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: had I believe three or four match points, yeah, in 360 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 3: the second set, wasn't in the final. Yeah against Benchic 361 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: in the final, you know, comes out looking dominant, fights 362 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: back in the second set, was down at early break, 363 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: ben Chic was you know, fought really hard and had 364 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 3: I believe four match points and just didn't quite get 365 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: it done. But you know, even the way she handled 366 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 3: her loss, she walked to the net and she was 367 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 3: just like congretts, like well done. Like she's just a really, really, 368 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 3: really nice girl, and so I give her a lot 369 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 3: of credit for the way she handled that loss. And 370 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: ben Chic, to me, you can see the influence that 371 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 3: that the coach is having on her. You know, I'm 372 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: blanking on his name, Dmitri, Dmitri off. Thank you so much, Gitlin, 373 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: thank god you're. 374 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: Here because my memory shock Dmitri is. 375 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 3: You know, you can tell he's very very like, kind 376 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: of demire guy, very quiet, very much, you know, zen like, 377 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: and you can tell that he's having that influence over her. 378 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: And and honestly, it's if I could pick a couple 379 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: of play is that just need that influence of calm 380 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 3: the fomb, shut the fuck up, play tennis. Literally take 381 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 3: the mindset of every point metas, stop getting demonstrative. And 382 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 3: by the way, I can say this because that's how 383 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 3: I was okay. 384 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 1: And I was waiting for you to say, carrying on 385 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: like a pork job. Are you looking for meals that 386 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: are ready to eat, delivered to your door and actually 387 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: help you look and feel your best? Sokara is the answer, 388 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: and it's so much more than just a meal delivery program. 389 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: Sokara is a nutrition program that's sort of like having 390 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: a nutritionist and a chef in one. 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Jeff, Yeah, there our merches so cleoars 403 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: to carry on like chops and Benchich is one of them. 404 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 3: And she's that type of person, you know, because her 405 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 3: boyfriend's a fitness China and she would often have her 406 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: dad there. She would feel like she could just say 407 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 3: and do whatever she wanted to them and that would 408 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: still be there. 409 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: Right. 410 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. But when you're married or dating or blood relatives 411 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: of your team, you get a lot away with a lot, but. 412 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 3: Get away with a lot and with Dimitri, you're not 413 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 3: going to get away with I mean person, I was 414 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: going to be like, by no way, I'm not putting 415 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 3: up with this shit. So I think it's been a 416 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 3: really good influence on her, and you can tell. I mean, 417 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 3: you know, that was one of the things. And I'm 418 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 3: not trying to bring myself into this, but like you know, Serena, 419 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 3: like I was like, I just need you to not 420 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 3: show any negative body language, you know, and which was 421 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: really hard for her when things aren't going so well, 422 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 3: because she is a very emotional person, you know, and 423 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: it's amazing. It's so hard to do when you are 424 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 3: not a naturally very quiet, serene person and you like 425 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 3: to get demonstrative and you like to be a little 426 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 3: bit animated and drama like, it's really hard to not 427 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 3: be that way under pressure. And I don't I'm not 428 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 3: thrying the first stone here. I just think that that 429 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 3: difference of her keeping her calm and her shit together 430 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: in the final was so clear that that's what won 431 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 3: her the match. And I can tell you that match 432 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 3: will change her career, because I really believe she she 433 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 3: finally realizes even though she won the Olympics, well, I 434 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 3: think she finally realized. 435 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: Matched the final in Abu Dhabi against Lydmlisimsomeneva more than 436 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: the gold medal or more than another one of these 437 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 1: great results. 438 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 3: Well, because I think she I think she learned a 439 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: lot from the Olympics, but I think her attitude in 440 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 3: this final was actually better because she should have lost. 441 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 3: And I think she would say the reason she didn't 442 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: lose is because she did keep her shit together when 443 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 3: it looked like she should never have won, and whereas 444 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 3: I think at the Olympics she probably felt like she 445 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: should win. So so I don't know. I think this 446 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: could be a career of defining moment. We'll certainly see 447 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 3: over the next few months. But she's definitely a chance 448 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 3: to win, let's say the US Open. I think that's 449 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 3: her best chance to win the Grand Slam. 450 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of us who've watched 451 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: Belinda benchc especially given how complete her game is and 452 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: how she can really go from like a Hingis esque 453 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: Tools of the Trade type style to really be able 454 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: to hang in and bang big with some of the 455 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: heavier hitters like bunch of chairs of the tools. And 456 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: I think, if anything, granted she's quite young. The question 457 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: that has been around her, especially pre gold medal, but 458 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: certainly still today is like, what's it going to take 459 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: for her to get to like the lead stages of 460 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: a Slam, Like she's not made a final and she 461 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: doesn't have any wins. She tends to kind of flame 462 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: out in like the quarterfinals. And maybe that's exactly what 463 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: you're talking about, which is just this like sense of 464 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: calm and ability to move forward and not carry on 465 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: like a pork chop. 466 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, you will very rarely see someone who carries on 467 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 3: like a pork chop win a Grand Slam. It's just 468 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: not possible. It's not possible when you get to the 469 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 3: end of a tournament and you're playing the best players 470 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: in the world that you can get away with it, 471 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 3: because they will take advantage of it. And I mean, 472 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 3: I think a really good example of that through the 473 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 3: years has been Samona Hallett, you know, I mean her loss, 474 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 3: for example at the French Open to Ostapenko when she 475 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 3: was up a set and to love No. Thirty fifteen 476 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 3: of fifteen all or whatever it was and throws her racket, 477 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: Like what are you doing. You're giving your opponent small 478 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: window to say, hey, she's still nervous. Yeah, you know, 479 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 3: and there's there's been plenty that we could we could 480 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 3: we could dissect about their attitudes and how it's cost 481 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: them matches, including my own. And so it's a really 482 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 3: hard thing to do, is go against your natural instinct 483 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: to not be dramatic and demonstrative. And I think that 484 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 3: for her to get go forward, that's the area that 485 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 3: she needs to improve on, and she does. She has 486 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: all the tools, so conserve gets a bit dodgy and 487 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: it's not really a big weapon, so that can still 488 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 3: also hurt her. And there are certain matchups that she 489 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 3: doesn't like. But I'll give it credit because she had 490 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 3: I don't think she'd ever beaten sam Sonova, so that 491 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 3: that was a terrific effort. So look out for benchit 492 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 3: through the year. 493 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought sam Sanova was the best player of 494 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: the tournament just in terms of results and play, Like 495 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: what else her matches she look like. So yeah, I 496 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: think that's a really interesting point about like matches you 497 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: should lose but don't because you've found a way Like 498 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: that is I think, really, I don't know, that's really 499 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: While we're on the women, the other tournament final was Lince. 500 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: We had Petro Martich against Potpova. What do you make 501 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: of this. I love watching Petro Martich play. I think 502 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: she's just got such a like natural policism. She's loopy, 503 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: she's got those big strokes. I'm sort of shocked to 504 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: see her at late stage and finals because the kind 505 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: of tennis that I tend to like doesn't tend to 506 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: win that much. But I didn't give her much of 507 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: a chance in the final, and in fact, she didn't 508 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: do much against me. 509 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 3: I think Potapova just like you know, just hit her 510 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 3: off the court really, and I think that you know 511 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 3: her win over Sakari. I mean, Sakary is a perfect 512 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 3: example of someone who I think, you know at times 513 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: carries on like a pop chop. And I love Maria. 514 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 3: She's such a nice she is such a nice girl, 515 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 3: and she's such a great player. But there are things 516 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 3: about Maria Sakari's game that I would just take a part, 517 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 3: including her slice backhand. The way she hits her slice 518 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 3: back her footwork is absolutely terrible. She does not hit 519 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 3: her slice back end with the right technique. 520 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: And which is actually good news because that means it's fixable. 521 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: You know it's fixable. But yes, do you think she 522 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: has good coaching? 523 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: Well? 524 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 3: I don't want to. I would never like poop on 525 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 3: another coach, but that is an area that I mean 526 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 3: some I would, but but not you know, Tom, and 527 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 3: I think Michael Tilstrom was there with her, but or 528 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 3: I'm not sure who was that, one of the Swedish 529 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 3: guys from good to great. But it's like, you got 530 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 3: it if the footwork is wrong to the slices back 531 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 3: end and it actually really hurts her because it's a 532 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: shot that I think it would really make her a 533 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: better player because she would get out of a few 534 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 3: problems her backhand. As you know, she hits a really 535 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 3: good two hander, very flat, so she has a ton 536 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 3: of spin on the forehand flat backhand, and she would 537 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 3: have if she have a beautiful slie, she would have 538 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 3: three variations of ball spin, which I know you guys 539 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: are like, I don't really understand that, but think about 540 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 3: ash Barty. It was the same type of tennis. And 541 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 3: her serve is unbelievable. So I think she let an 542 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: opportunity go to win that tournament. And I think that 543 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: there are times where her attitude and her anxiety is 544 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 3: so obvious to the opponent that you're just like, oh, 545 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 3: I'm still in this, and that was the case against Martch. 546 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 3: I mean, Martich lost the first set, shouldn't ever gotten 547 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 3: into the match, and she was allowed into the match 548 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 3: ended up winning it. But yeah, I like Petra's game 549 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 3: four hands a bit funky, but so was mine, so 550 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: hey hated the funky four hands, And yeah, I mean, listen, 551 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 3: I think that it's nice we've got a young up 552 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: and coming like pot upover that steps up in finals, 553 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 3: and I love plays that step up in finals and. 554 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: Just bang it out of the park like that, take it. 555 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well it's interesting because I for me, I'm 556 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: glad you brought up soccer because that, to me was 557 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: her a tournament to win, like and Ibaddi, which is 558 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: a big tournament that should be like where she eats 559 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: you know, breakfast, lunch and dinner, where it's like the 560 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: field is good, but she's a level above, at least 561 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: in terms of the way she you know, competes in 562 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: her athleticism. So yeah, she should be like kind of 563 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: feasting on a draw like that and then kind of 564 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: finds a way to lose, which is sort of becoming 565 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: a little bit the Maria Soockery story, which is such 566 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: a bummer because she is so nice and she does 567 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: have such a fun sort of style of athletic game 568 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: that you kind of, I don't know, it can be 569 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: hard to watch her sometimes because when she does get 570 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: into that stressful place, like I feel stressed watching her 571 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: just knowing what even when she's winning and she'll go 572 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: to the box and kind of like wring her hands 573 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: and you know, pork chop time, and so you're kind 574 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: of like, oh man, you're demonstrating to your opponent that 575 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: you are nervous and they have a shot still, which 576 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: is such a I don't know, it feels like an 577 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: easy an easy. 578 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 2: Pan tell you. 579 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 3: I want to say, one of the best behaves she's 580 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 3: been in a long time. And but behaved, I mean 581 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 3: just staying very calm and not looking too anxious when 582 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 3: she played Donna Vicich, who's one of her best friends, 583 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 3: So she didn't show all the emotion that she would 584 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 3: normally show because she didn't want to be disrespectful to 585 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 3: her opponent, I think in some ways, but in a 586 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: lot of ways, and she should have lost the second set. Really, 587 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 3: Donna had three set points in that second set, but 588 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 3: because Maria was calm and sort of just was playing 589 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 3: she ended up coming out of that second set and 590 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 3: winning the second set and winning the. 591 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: Match in straight set. 592 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 3: So and she Maria served for the match and didn't 593 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: let it bother her that much, you know what I mean. 594 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 3: So that's a little thing for me as a coach. 595 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 3: I'll be like, let's look at this and then let's 596 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 3: look at this and let's see where the difference is. 597 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 3: And you won this match because you didn't carry on 598 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 3: like a pork chop. 599 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: Like a pork chop. I want to ask you very quickly, 600 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: going back to the men, did you have a chance 601 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: to watch this young French guy, Arthur Fields. He's eighteen. 602 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: He beat Gasca, he beat Bautista a goot, lost Sinner 603 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: but kind of gave. 604 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: Him a match. 605 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,479 Speaker 3: I watched him. 606 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: I was excited about him, actually, yeah. 607 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 3: Very excited, very young, very talented. He's only going to 608 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: get better and better. He had an opportunity in the 609 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 3: first set to beat Sinner. Yeah, and French men's tennis 610 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 3: needs a bit of a kick up the bunt, right 611 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 3: how do you say up the dairy air, of course. So, 612 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 3: so it's nice to see him. He hopefully will bring 613 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 3: more along with him, but super talent unbelievably quick around 614 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 3: the court, really nice game. Yeah, it's certainly a future star. 615 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 3: I can't wait to see him play the French because 616 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 3: the crowd is just going to be like bonkers for 617 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 3: this guy. It's just a terrific, terrific story for young 618 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 3: French male male tennis players anyway. But sinner, let's get 619 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 3: to Yannick. My guy didn't lose a I love him. 620 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 3: How much do we love maxim Gressi, who's actually French 621 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 3: even though he's American. 622 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: You know, this guy servant long. I love it. It's 623 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: so fun and people freak out about it. They really 624 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: aren't used to seeing it. He wins so many free 625 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: points because they panic they see him. How tall is he? 626 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: He's going to be six x right, he's Thomas. 627 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 3: No, no, no, he's not the Yeah, maybe like six' 628 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 3: four maybe, I don't know. 629 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: I just he gets up there and you're like, oh, 630 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: I have nowhere to go. And I've seen people panic. 631 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: I was watching him play rub Leve at DC this 632 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: summer and he's just at the net inn a flash. 633 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: I just watch Rubelev, who's got arguably like the sweetest groundstrokes, 634 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: just not know where to go, which is amazing to 635 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: see them panic. 636 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 3: I love it because you know, people like you can't 637 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 3: play certain volley tennis anymore. I'm I guess you can. 638 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: If you have a great serve and you have great volleys, 639 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: you can absolutely play certain volley tennis. And the thing 640 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: about Chressy is that he's improved his groundstrokes a lot. 641 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 3: Like his backhand. Sometimes he can pomp the shit out 642 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 3: of that thing, and his forehand has improved. He was 643 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: in rallies, even in the rallies on the baseline. He 644 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 3: was in rallies with Yannick Sinner, and I was impressed 645 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 3: with the way he was hitting the ball from the back. 646 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: Of the court. 647 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 3: And he's just going to get more and more confident 648 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 3: through the years of how to strategically play people with 649 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 3: the servant volley, when to come in, when to stay back. 650 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 3: So for me, it's really really nice to see this 651 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 3: and listen, indoors, servant volley it's still going to work. 652 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: I would love to see them speed up the wimbled 653 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: grass courts again to be as fast as the other 654 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: grass court. I would love for there to be carpet 655 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: events like there used to be when Steppigraph would just 656 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: take everyone to the abatoire. No I miss it. I 657 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: mean it like I like tennis when it was variable, 658 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: when Thomas Muster could not win a match on grass, 659 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: and you know your Pete Sampras couldn't win very many 660 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: matches on clay. Like, to me, that's cool. I like 661 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: when there's variation and you get all these different styles. 662 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 3: You know, I have said it four years, Caitlin, I go, 663 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 3: I don't understand why the tennis establishments want to make 664 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 3: slower and slower courts. All you're doing is taking the 665 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: variety of way players play away, and you also take 666 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 3: away the volley game because of the fact that the 667 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 3: court's too slow. Well, then don't have always slow courts. 668 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 3: Then quicken them up and then you have quicker matches. 669 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 3: Instead of playing five friggin hours out there, you're actually 670 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 3: playing a five set match under three hours or three 671 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 3: and a half hours maximum, and you're getting different varieties. 672 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 3: And there's nothing better than watching a guy or a 673 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 3: girl trying to figure out where to stand on the 674 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 3: return when someone's serving involving. Do I dip the ball low? 675 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 3: Do I go for the return winner? Do I throw 676 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 3: up a lob to? You have to have creativity when 677 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 3: you are playing people with different ways of playing tennis. 678 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 3: So for me, if I was and I had this 679 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 3: conversation with Philip Brook a number of years ago, who 680 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 3: was the All England chairman at the time, I go, 681 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 3: why are Wimbledon slowing it down? 682 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: Like? 683 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 3: Make it quicker and make the points faster. And that's 684 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 3: what grass court tennis is. It's not twenty five ball 685 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 3: rally sorry, and as interesting as they are from time 686 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 3: to time, that's not what grasscourt tennis is. And it 687 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 3: takes away someone improving their forward movement on the court. 688 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 3: And so for me, if I were to change something 689 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 3: with tennis, I would absolutely make the courts faster at 690 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 3: certain events completely right. 691 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: One of the things that's so amazing and interesting about 692 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,239 Speaker 1: the grass court season because it's not very long. It's 693 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: the shortest of our seasons. Despoke the fact that at 694 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: one time two out of the three Slams and I'm 695 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: saying two other three because this was before Australian Open 696 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,479 Speaker 1: was promoted to being a Slam, there were uh grass 697 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: was super super prevalent. They played US Open grass. The 698 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: first Australian Open at Kuyong was grass and Wimbledon was Grass, 699 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: so really Clay was the only differentiator. And to me, 700 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: I like hardcore tennis the least because it tends to 701 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: be the most monotonous, and I like the fact that 702 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: there's I don't I only minded it if it's the 703 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: only way, If it's the variety that we're talking about, 704 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: then it's great, and then it becomes a different way 705 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: to solve problems. Like the two players we've talked about 706 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: that I've been the most excited watching this season, probably 707 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: ebing Wu, who solved for a fast, hardcourt indoors returning 708 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: a serve of John Isner, and you could see him 709 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: in those three tie breaks, especially the last one, kind 710 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: of put the pieces together to your point, about where 711 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: to stand to go for, when to go for the winner, 712 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: when to hit a rallyball back, like how to manage 713 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: the risk basically. And Victoria Azarika, who has been this 714 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: season thinking her way through matches as opposed to just 715 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: being a great player and sort of helping the Brakes 716 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: go their way, but no being tactical. Like, to me, 717 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: that's the cool thing when you can see players figuring 718 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: it out. And I like so much the idea that 719 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: there's this variety that makes them figure it out. It's 720 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: also like when the rest of the grass court season, 721 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: because it's so small, is faster than Wimbledon, there's a problem. 722 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: Like all those other tournaments are faster than Wimbledon, right, 723 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: like Eastbourne, holla, all of those pree Wimbledon tournaments, that 724 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: grass is not slowed down. So what kind of warm 725 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: up tournament is it? 726 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, for sure, I mean really obviously 727 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 3: for that and it's even maybe a little less now 728 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 3: because they've slowed down east On slightly. Is that I 729 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 3: used to hit only like slider body second serves because 730 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 3: it was just dumb to hit a kicksurf on grass 731 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 3: because it didn't jump, and it was just mostly to 732 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 3: Most of the women anyway have way better back endo fourhands, 733 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 3: so you're like, well, that's the dumbest so you can 734 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 3: hit on grass because it's not going to help me 735 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 3: at all. Which that is why Sam Stosa for example, 736 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 3: struggled on grass, you know, because she was she couldn't 737 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 3: really hit her kicker. And then I would play that 738 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 3: serve at Eastbourne and then at Wimbledon. In my latter 739 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 3: years of my career, I was like I'd go to 740 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 3: the wood kick ass a second serve at Wimbledon because 741 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 3: I'm like, it's a totally different grass court. So that's 742 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 3: a perfect example of how Wimbledon is a little bit 743 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 3: different and a little bit slower than all the other events. Anyway, 744 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 3: is not a debate that I would like to see 745 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 3: happen more and more with the precis and it would 746 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 3: make for better tennis. 747 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: That's the thing. It would make for better tennis. And 748 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: also I think a lot about the kind of tennis 749 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: that recreational people play. Recreational people are playing doubles a ton, 750 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: which means they're volleying a ton, and the fact that 751 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 1: we don't show by a virtue of popularity doubles very much, 752 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: and the fact that singles players don't often volley right now, 753 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: Like I played this member guest at the Longwood Cricket 754 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: Club with our friend Tory last summer. She was a 755 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: member at that Boston club. The main reason I did 756 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: it was because I wanted to play on grass at 757 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: a private club. We played against a bunch of collegiate players, 758 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh God, my bad is not 759 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: up for this, Like I'm not twenty anymore. None of 760 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: them could Valley's fascinating. 761 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 3: None of them could Volli, So I was like most 762 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 3: of the two account Volly either Kate. 763 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: It was crazy. I was like, Oh, I'm winning these 764 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 1: matches just by virtual of the fact that I'm standing 765 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: in the right place, Like I don't even know how 766 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: to stand correctly. It was crazy. I miss it so much. 767 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: I missed that tea shaped worn down patch on those 768 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: grass courts when you used to look at the end 769 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: of wimbled and to be Boris Becker and Edinburgh and 770 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: all the court that's been trodden upon is the tea 771 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: up the middle and the two bars across the service boxes. 772 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: Like I missed that a lot. I'm sure you anyway, 773 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: that was your specialty. 774 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 3: Yes, that was my specially. Anyway, we don't have to 775 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 3: worry about that because the clay court seas it's about 776 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 3: to come up. But anyway, it was a great weekend. 777 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: It was a great NFL. 778 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 3: I want to also give a quick shout out, and 779 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 3: I will talk about this on my show today. I 780 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 3: love Dawn Saley, who coaches the women's South Carolina Gangcocks, 781 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 3: and she was wearing a Randall Cunningham jersey coaching her 782 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 3: own team. So I thought that was freaking cool, because 783 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 3: that is not South Carolina, that is Philadelphia. Yeah, so 784 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 3: I love when I when I when I when a 785 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 3: coach like that who's so dominant and they have not 786 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 3: lost a game all year, can just step out there 787 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 3: and be like, you know what, school, I'm still gonna 788 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 3: wear my Randall Cunningham Jersey. So shout out to Dawn Staley, 789 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 3: who's the boss lady. Anyway, it's been a great little 790 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 3: weekend COVID. Sorry positive Caitlin Thomson still in. 791 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: Her house for the next day and a half. But 792 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: you know what, I got to make time to record 793 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: a podcast with you, Renee, So we'll have to check 794 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: back in next week when I am fully ambulatory and 795 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: in Florida getting some very very overdo sunshine in my face. 796 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 3: Guys, thanks for joining us this week and stay tuned 797 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 3: for more Shenanigans next week. But