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Speaker 1: are starting to happen around the national football How about
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers going to trade for the number one
Speaker 1: picked the trade with your old team to Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you just just when you saw
Speaker 1: the trade, did you feel like the Panthers were fleeced
Speaker 1: according to social media? You know I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: because we know we've been watching the teams like the
Speaker 1: Rams and teams like all the teams that like pushed
Speaker 1: all the chips in to make sure that they get
Speaker 1: what they want because they think that the future is there.
Speaker 1: So is it worth it if you if that's what
Speaker 1: you feel like? Yeah, Now do I feel like that
Speaker 1: guy is in the dram? Uh? Nah? So you look
Speaker 1: at it that way, Yeah you got fleeced. Yeah you
Speaker 1: got flexed. But you never know what the draft, how
Speaker 1: guys are actually gonna turn out, so maybe it work
Speaker 1: out for them, but as of today, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, Yo, jumping all the way up
Speaker 1: to the number one, you would think that they know
Speaker 1: who they want um and so they should have some idea.
Speaker 1: I mean we say that that it doesn't look like,
Speaker 1: Look they don't have a guaranteed commodity out of college.
Speaker 1: That they don't you don't have the lawrences, you don't
Speaker 1: have the ain't no Joe Burrow, Ain't no Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: or nothing like your guys. And he didn't even go one,
Speaker 1: so my bad. But but the number one, Joe, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a hard position of being for a lot of
Speaker 1: teams because boy, if you miss on that big, it
Speaker 1: takes you a long time to get past that. As Cleveland,
Speaker 1: you know, that's trubisky. Look at it. Mistakes can be made.
Speaker 1: And the one thing I hate about this time of
Speaker 1: the year is a guy coming from obscure that you
Speaker 1: didn't have any respect for him as a player in college,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they're talking about him at
Speaker 1: number one. It's like, dog, you're gonna make a mistake
Speaker 1: if you go out and get that guy. And I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say the kid's name us. I want him
Speaker 1: to be the best that he could be. But still
Speaker 1: there may be a problem if you go out and
Speaker 1: get a player that isn't bona fide. Now, most teams
Speaker 1: when they do that, they go and get a quarterback,
Speaker 1: and you know that Carolina needs a quarterback. So as
Speaker 1: also has been reported that Carolina may drop back down.
Speaker 1: So that's confusing to me if they do that, you know,
Speaker 1: if they drop back down in the draft to do what,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But Chicago, on the other end, I
Speaker 1: felt like they came out with DJ Moore, Chase Claypool
Speaker 1: justin FI. I mean, I really feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're trying to solidify and then they can do some
Speaker 1: other things in the draft as well. So I mean,
Speaker 1: it's this week and going all the way up to
Speaker 1: the draft. Man, there's a lot of moves that's gonna
Speaker 1: be made, and Carolina was the first one to make
Speaker 1: the big splash. No, okay, I'm with y'all on that one.
Speaker 1: I don't think they got fleased because, like you said,
Speaker 1: if you're going up there, they know who they want
Speaker 1: number one overall pick, and hopefully that can be the
Speaker 1: guy that kind of turn that organization around. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: go the route you were talking about. What the I
Speaker 1: forget his name, I'm gonna say his name, Anthony Rigards
Speaker 1: run the quarterback out there, because if you look at it,
Speaker 1: you know, big strong athletic, you know, freak of an
Speaker 1: athlete out there, blew up on the combat. But if
Speaker 1: you watch the tape, I mean Florida went what I
Speaker 1: think seven and four, maybe seven and three, Like it
Speaker 1: wasn't like he blew the teams away in the SEC.
Speaker 1: So I'd be worried you of taking a guy like that.
Speaker 1: But if they're thinking about a quarterback they need, yes,
Speaker 1: we know, we know now in the NFL that you
Speaker 1: need a quarterback to win games in this league, and
Speaker 1: they've missed on a lot of quarterbacks these past couple
Speaker 1: of seasons. So maybe they'll hit there. But I just
Speaker 1: don't know who's gonna throw the football too. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're give it away, DJ Moore. I mean, it ain't
Speaker 1: like these guys coming out of the league's gonna be
Speaker 1: my homes where you can just have a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys and they can lead them to the championship. So
Speaker 1: who they're gonna throw the football too. Not sure, but
Speaker 1: I don't think they got fleaed. I don't think they
Speaker 1: got flee. Chicago definitely came out because if they have
Speaker 1: a solidified wide receiver group right now, when you add Mooney,
Speaker 1: you got DJ Moore, you got Clay Shape pull out
Speaker 1: there as well. They got a great running attack and
Speaker 1: then we all know fields what he can do out
Speaker 1: there as well. So I feel like Chicago came up.
Speaker 1: But I don't think Carolina got fleice. So you wouldn't
Speaker 1: take that guy. So if they take him, he got
Speaker 1: all that for him. Does it? Does it pan out
Speaker 1: for you what they gave up to If they do
Speaker 1: end up taking Richardson, If they take it, ain't it
Speaker 1: ain't it? And I would up And I was thinking,
Speaker 1: levis actually you do? That's who I was. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even that guy right there like this fool's go man.
Speaker 1: Don't do him like that, you know, put him where
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be. Secondly, the guy, I don't see
Speaker 1: the guy. What do you think? I don't see the guy.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I won't see anybody got fleeced,
Speaker 1: because if you get it right with the quarterback, then
Speaker 1: it's worth it. You look at the Chargers, they picked
Speaker 1: Herbert picked right. You get Joe Burrows Cincinnati, you picked right.
Speaker 1: So you make this deal and you get the right guy,
Speaker 1: then you're good. You're the Eagles. You trade all that
Speaker 1: for Carson Wentz looking good, You're the Rams. You traded
Speaker 1: all that for Jared Goff. You did go to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. So to me, no one's fleeced if this
Speaker 1: thing works out for you, So what will we know?
Speaker 1: And that then Aaron lies the key because it's it's
Speaker 1: a part of it. Is the player a part of
Speaker 1: the c organization. You've talked about it, all right, So
Speaker 1: whoever care a lot it takes? Who's a quarterback doing
Speaker 1: the ball too? You know who you're handing it off too,
Speaker 1: because because you let the run CMC go is shoot
Speaker 1: a Hubbard and that group of running backs. That is
Speaker 1: that what you're gonna do. So I look at I
Speaker 1: look at Dak Prescott, man. I remembered when he was
Speaker 1: out there battling with homeboys that Jamille Showers you know
Speaker 1: what bo tea splitting it? You know, so you know
Speaker 1: the time, you didn't really think much about it, but boy,
Speaker 1: what a goal mine. So you have to take your
Speaker 1: shots in this league to get a quarterback. You just
Speaker 1: have to. And if you hit, then it's all worth
Speaker 1: it's worth it. If you don't, then you're like, who
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Danny, I don't see I don't see
Speaker 1: a Burrow. I don't see a guy like Luck that
Speaker 1: you say, hey, man, go do this. Um When RG
Speaker 1: three came out, I was one of the guys, Hey man,
Speaker 1: r I would I would? I was? I said Luck.
Speaker 1: Then AI like, Man, you hit in one or two.
Speaker 1: So I think you have to do this in this
Speaker 1: atmosphere because it is a quarterback league. If you got
Speaker 1: one of these dudes, you got a shot. You don't.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. You brought up that because he's you know,
Speaker 1: we struck gold but in the fourth. But that's also
Speaker 1: their philosophy. Jerry's only taking a first round quarterback once.
Speaker 1: When he bought the team, they took Troyman. They hadn't
Speaker 1: ventured in that at all. That's just not what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys do. But if you're Carolina, you've got the owner
Speaker 1: who wanted Justin Fields. Reportedly and Matt Rule at the
Speaker 1: time was like no, no, we're gonna be okay, We're
Speaker 1: gonna take jac Horn and you know, we'll be good.
Speaker 1: So that helped him get fired. So the owner wants
Speaker 1: to see a quarterback. So that's what you gotta go do.
Speaker 1: And and he takes the shot. He may work, Kansas City,
Speaker 1: may it work. Cleveland take Baker Mayfield, you'll make work
Speaker 1: and it doesn't. All you do like New York and
Speaker 1: you take Daniel Jones. I mean, all of these teams
Speaker 1: understand in order to win, you have to have someone
Speaker 1: at the helm. And nobody's missing on that. And especially
Speaker 1: if you're picking number one in the draft, it's for
Speaker 1: a reason. It's because you wasn't very good. So I mean,
Speaker 1: whatever Chicago is doing with Justin Fields help. They've obviously
Speaker 1: doubled down on him to at least give him more
Speaker 1: rope or opportunity to succeed in Chicago. And to me,
Speaker 1: with the draft picks that they have, they should they
Speaker 1: should look rope. Give enough rope. No no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not enough rope. Whoa whoa back up? Double down
Speaker 1: on them, game, gave them some roll. They're giving you opportunity,
Speaker 1: like wrong choice of words, let you know, but I'm
Speaker 1: talking about up. I am building him up. Do they
Speaker 1: give him more runway? Yeah, like Michael Jordan's ceilings. So
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have been active in moving around in the
Speaker 1: first round for for trading picks through the years. Um,
Speaker 1: obviously this could be the case this year. But I
Speaker 1: love the fact. Be at least I've seen all right,
Speaker 1: there's trades and where things happen, where they go. Free
Speaker 1: agency now is stepping up to the forefront. Doesn't look
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys are gonna make any splashes. Man, a
Speaker 1: more philosophy. Oh, hey, you won twelve games last year,
Speaker 1: made the playoffs. You won twelve before we made a playoffs,
Speaker 1: so we can criticize it. But you know, hey, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm aught that hopium. So so
Speaker 1: I bring in you guys in here the hopium. Then
Speaker 1: restructure contracts last week, So Dad restructured seventy seven. Restructure.
Speaker 1: I saw seventy seven working out there last week. Hey, shape,
Speaker 1: best shape he's been here. Huh look good, look good,
Speaker 1: look good. So, so, guys, how are we feeling right now?
Speaker 1: As you know, how we feeling? Go to church feeling
Speaker 1: passing the plank? Best thing is so all right? We
Speaker 1: got a couple of games restructure and we got that,
Speaker 1: we got tearing and all that good stuff. So what
Speaker 1: are we gonna address, you know, the elephant in the room,
Speaker 1: which is twenty one. What are we gonna do with
Speaker 1: that situation right now? Because right now you got what
Speaker 1: Tony Pollot on the franchise and then he and Zeke
Speaker 1: still still scheduled to make what sixteen? Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: twenty six million in your back, that's what. So we
Speaker 1: gotta do something with that. We know where, we know
Speaker 1: that's not happening. We all he's stopped getting So is
Speaker 1: it the restructure? Is it? Is it? Is it a
Speaker 1: massive pay cut? I mean that's not think you gotta
Speaker 1: figure that out. Next does restructure and pay cut? Is
Speaker 1: that the same? Because a restructure happening? So they gotta,
Speaker 1: they gotta, they gotta make up their mind on that one.
Speaker 1: I think that's the next step that has to happen.
Speaker 1: That's the next dominant. It's just another running back today.
Speaker 1: I can't. I was just listening to NFL radio and
Speaker 1: another running back to a million dollar, million dollars pay cut?
Speaker 1: So you know, ohis the way Just to be clear,
Speaker 1: now you said seventy seven, it was seventy Jack got
Speaker 1: a restructure Smith, Yes, I want to make sure Chris
Speaker 1: being from the top rope to make sure that people
Speaker 1: know that Smith. No, no, come on back. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was about man. I've had I've had people explained the
Speaker 1: salary cap to me like I was in third grade,
Speaker 1: and I still don't understand why some teams can get
Speaker 1: around and pay the fine, take whatever draft pick penalties
Speaker 1: is going to be, and still get the players that
Speaker 1: they want. When it came down to the Jalen Ramsey trade,
Speaker 1: I was, I was, man, I threw my remote across
Speaker 1: the room. That was one I didn't want to hear
Speaker 1: because I thought we were in a position to possibly
Speaker 1: sign this guy. Really, yes, why why you didn't wait
Speaker 1: a minute? You didn't think that Jalen Ramsey was worth
Speaker 1: the the comp that he had he received? Okay, what
Speaker 1: do you get third round? But he also got his
Speaker 1: guaranteed right the twenty million money. Okay, forget the draft pick.
Speaker 1: The draft pick. The RAMS just wanted something they wanted
Speaker 1: off the money. Okay, I'm trying to do. The RAMS
Speaker 1: is trying to get off money. So you had to
Speaker 1: take Jalen Ramsey's money and you got digs coming up.
Speaker 1: You're not going to pay two corners top dollar? How
Speaker 1: in they? But then it again I prefaced. I've had
Speaker 1: people explain it to me like I was in the
Speaker 1: third grade. I still don't understand how other teams, How
Speaker 1: the Rams were able to win a Super Bowl with
Speaker 1: that much money on the books, How Philadelphia is able
Speaker 1: to do the same thing? What great? So the Rams
Speaker 1: are now the bills come due for the Rams. You
Speaker 1: didn't pushed it out? Did the credit cards say, dude?
Speaker 1: Or that you're like the rooms to go commercial? Go
Speaker 1: we do it three years. It's three years. Now it's dude,
Speaker 1: the money's due. So they are pushing dudes off. I
Speaker 1: would not be surprised if they if they found somebody
Speaker 1: to trade for Matthew Stafford. They're trying to get off
Speaker 1: all this money because they're paying a lot of money.
Speaker 1: They're not going to be able to win money is
Speaker 1: getting MS millions. So here here's I'm saying, you can
Speaker 1: kick the can down the road. The Cowboys have done
Speaker 1: that historically, year after year after year, kick the can
Speaker 1: down the road with these contracts. All right, but we
Speaker 1: understand that you're gonna have to have a certain amount
Speaker 1: of playmakers on your team to be able to make
Speaker 1: it to the Super Bowl. We feel like we are
Speaker 1: a player or players away. He could have fit that
Speaker 1: dynamic perfectly. If you look at digs and you look
Speaker 1: on the other side, what do we have unless you
Speaker 1: just believe that Kelvin Joseph is that guy. Come on, now,
Speaker 1: come on, we got playing No, no, no, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's not an l thing. I'm just saying. Then
Speaker 1: they pay Patrick Peterson tim million dollars les al right
Speaker 1: to paid him ten million dollars last year. He was
Speaker 1: one of the top corners for the team that he
Speaker 1: played on Minna for Minnesota. Now you think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go so I got an option to possibly play him
Speaker 1: ten or less, and then I got Jalen Ramsey, who
Speaker 1: ever play seventeen. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1: I think there are more options out there for you
Speaker 1: to go not spend another seventeen. Just said, you just
Speaker 1: said Patrick Peterson at his age where he is right now,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Pat p ain't that dude. He has me.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking now, we're just comparing players, that's all
Speaker 1: we're saying. I'm saying a guy that of his status,
Speaker 1: and then Jayla Ramsey chills all probably twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Do you listen with how our defensive we were serviceable
Speaker 1: with with Anthony Brown? Do we need to go get
Speaker 1: the best guy out there? Or do we need to
Speaker 1: need to go get a guy I got so many
Speaker 1: dollars a spin? All? Right? Then then then what about
Speaker 1: your receiver? Then let's start here. Why don't we do this?
Speaker 1: Why don't we do this? Who's off the table. Then
Speaker 1: let's say tell me who's on the table, and let's
Speaker 1: say who's on the on the people? Three? Yes, who's
Speaker 1: off the table? Give me seventeen towards the wide receiver report.
Speaker 1: You give me seventeen towards the sea. You saw you
Speaker 1: saw the receiver receiver we're talking about. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. You saw what the room looked like
Speaker 1: and the m CD and the maybe we drafted, we
Speaker 1: tried to drave them. We did all that, and free
Speaker 1: agency we bought in jay We come on now, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. I'm just saying because you were
Speaker 1: trying to get off cheap with you boom so so
Speaker 1: little at the receiver, Dan Quinn has been shown. He's
Speaker 1: been shown that he has the ability to go find
Speaker 1: free agents that could feel the spot that is needed
Speaker 1: without having to spend seventeen MS on them. I think
Speaker 1: you can still do that this year. If I'm looking
Speaker 1: at places where I need to sure up something, it
Speaker 1: is receiver, offensive line, defensive line, and then and then
Speaker 1: I'll touch my my my cornerback position. If I if
Speaker 1: I gotta go crazy like that and I gotta pay that,
Speaker 1: you ain't gotta pay him to day, ain't got We're
Speaker 1: gonna kick that down, gonna walk into camp and just
Speaker 1: you know, risk it all like like that did it
Speaker 1: and you know, be okay, No, no, you somebod I
Speaker 1: need a hat to get my money. You know how
Speaker 1: players are. You can't get my money? What do you
Speaker 1: mean if you did? You want you? You want it?
Speaker 1: Now I understand. And this isn't the organization that's gonna
Speaker 1: just you know, write that blank check to you so
Speaker 1: they can get it done. Now they're going to continue
Speaker 1: to kick that can down the road as well. No,
Speaker 1: what have you heard about Dig's this contract? Has anybody
Speaker 1: even started talking about that? Ain't even in the water.
Speaker 1: I'm not We're talking about all the guys right now.
Speaker 1: We need to bring guys in to even get to
Speaker 1: the point. We talked about Championship for cornerback seventeen. That's
Speaker 1: on Thista. No, that's with the defense that you watched
Speaker 1: last season and you said, hey man, was was the
Speaker 1: cornerback position in our playoff loss? That big of a
Speaker 1: reason where you said, hey man, we if we really
Speaker 1: wanted to win that game and we had a cornerback,
Speaker 1: that we would have won that game. Looking around the
Speaker 1: league and what if Philadelphia do laugh? I mean, since
Speaker 1: you let's talk about your boys. They went out and
Speaker 1: you got Slaying Brad. Come on, I mean, that's just
Speaker 1: act like they didn't go out and get two of
Speaker 1: the best cornerbacks in the NFL and put them on
Speaker 1: this week. They're trying to let Slay go out there
Speaker 1: and get back on the Oh, that's after the fall.
Speaker 1: They didn't win, but they got them. But Bertie Miami
Speaker 1: got Xavian Howard and now they have come on dogs
Speaker 1: and they have two owners. Kenny got Xavian Howard. Didn't
Speaker 1: they pay all the other money to Byron Joseph. We
Speaker 1: ain't talking about we talking about what did they win?
Speaker 1: With those two guys, they you win this. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about what they do with Xavian Howard the and the
Speaker 1: other guy they just bought in. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Come on now, look all right with two and we
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not talking boy. Look you know, really
Speaker 1: they really don't want Jalen Ramsay's contract though, because it
Speaker 1: goes it goes up. It's seventeen this year, eighteen five
Speaker 1: next year, and then nineteen. Man. We hey, we restructure
Speaker 1: all the time. We restructure all the time. Man, we
Speaker 1: could push that, we could push that down, we could
Speaker 1: push that down the road. That we do it all
Speaker 1: the time. Man, we don't even know. And this is
Speaker 1: interesting thing. Does he does he want a new deal? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you hear guys all the time, y'all trader
Speaker 1: and a new new deal. It's just under poor. I
Speaker 1: mean I just wouldn't do it. Bottom line is for me,
Speaker 1: when I saw a trade like, oh louy, then listen,
Speaker 1: I want the next segment. Whatever. Man, who's off the table.
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Speaker 1: Cowboys in a situation where they can pack guys to
Speaker 1: get a guy. Who's that guy? Who? Who are the
Speaker 1: guys that you're saying, we are absolutely not packaging this guy,
Speaker 1: you know, who's off the table? And I think that's huh,
Speaker 1: all of the dudes that we're talking about this coming
Speaker 1: up to get paid for sure, guys, you've been proble.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if you see you see Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl talent, especially talent that they have drafted, we don't know,
Speaker 1: we know the modus operendi here, it's it's resigned those players.
Speaker 1: That's that's what they do. So you know who's who's
Speaker 1: off the table. Can't touch the can't touch for us
Speaker 1: since uh, dank, you ain't touching your quarterback, you ain't
Speaker 1: touching cd uh. Ain't nobody touching gallop? Uh? And I'm
Speaker 1: talking about outside of here because what he was coming
Speaker 1: off of last year, But that doesn't make him untouchable,
Speaker 1: doesn't make him up touchable. I'm saying when you say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna trade for this guy, do you have another
Speaker 1: surgery like you just you look at it, you saying they, man,
Speaker 1: probably not that much value out there for the guy
Speaker 1: at this point. So when you think about tradable pieces,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't see that. You know
Speaker 1: they ain't touching him, you know that you want them.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, no, I ain't gon letting Rob, but
Speaker 1: I don't think nobody can ask me. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: People outside of the build and see what we see.
Speaker 1: Great player when he's healthy, but hasn't been healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: getting back to Zeke yell it, we talked about that,
Speaker 1: what what do you do? And I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you two guys, having watched other dudes teammates take restructure
Speaker 1: deals and pay cuts How does that? How? How did
Speaker 1: they react? And I know you even took you know,
Speaker 1: how how is that you come? You mad? You better
Speaker 1: what your family say? He's still man. Look question right now.
Speaker 1: He don't want the traffic question to go. You talking
Speaker 1: about is he mad? You know you know how to
Speaker 1: play this man. I just want walking him into you.
Speaker 1: I'm walking him into this. But let me tell you something, man,
Speaker 1: I bought my way not to being mad because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get my money someway. I'm here, I'm leaving out
Speaker 1: of here with something you think I want coming back.
Speaker 1: I would do another show. I'm getting that funny you
Speaker 1: know the side of my text the cow Boy. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get up and get all that money, especially at
Speaker 1: the time, just because I had uh I was on
Speaker 1: the free agent tender, right so I'm going into the
Speaker 1: to the season. I'm like, yeah, all right, at the minimum,
Speaker 1: I'm getting one point three I'm all right, you know,
Speaker 1: especially coming off undraft the free agent contract, and they
Speaker 1: set me down right after um, right after the last
Speaker 1: preseason game I had a poor hamstring. Was like, hey,
Speaker 1: come in this room, got to talk to you. We're
Speaker 1: cutting it. I said, a boy hot bus sixty percent.
Speaker 1: I said, so can I have some time to go
Speaker 1: talk to go think about it. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll lead a room pretty much. Do you lead the room?
Speaker 1: You about of him? And at that point I had
Speaker 1: a pool hamstring. I couldn't go to where I made
Speaker 1: a phone call, didn't have no help on the other side.
Speaker 1: So I went ahead and took it, you know. And
Speaker 1: then that year I was salty and I got got
Speaker 1: at bout here on the shot town Man sixty percent
Speaker 1: six percent. So based on that, they do something similar
Speaker 1: to zeke Go. He makes sixteen, you take sixty or
Speaker 1: fifty percent of that, and they're gonna take more than
Speaker 1: fifty percent. Of course. Oh yeah, um, how do you
Speaker 1: expect that player to be back in the locker room
Speaker 1: and going through it? Mean, just I think it's different
Speaker 1: for him than it is for me. One, he when
Speaker 1: he's drafted the first he also got paid. He got
Speaker 1: multiple years on that deal that he ended up getting
Speaker 1: paid for. And at that point he can look at
Speaker 1: his numbers and see that they have declined. He can
Speaker 1: look at his at his play and say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard actually was eating into my rips. It's there,
Speaker 1: is there a real legitimate chance here for him, like
Speaker 1: maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way versus mind
Speaker 1: where I was playing supposed to teams. Do you do
Speaker 1: you do you think he has the capacity to do
Speaker 1: a realistic self evaluation on himself and say, look, I
Speaker 1: think he got an eight. Somebody keep it real with
Speaker 1: him and let him somebody keep it real with him another.
Speaker 1: I don't think he could go out there and take
Speaker 1: You say, man, I'm open to taking a sixty percent
Speaker 1: pay cut, but I think in his mind he knows
Speaker 1: he probably got to take some type of haircut, um,
Speaker 1: like I said, but different from me than him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: For me, that was I was just that was my
Speaker 1: first opportunity to get some and I was only playing
Speaker 1: supposed to seams at the moment. But they were you know,
Speaker 1: it was like, man, that that seven hundred were willing
Speaker 1: to get to get that game. And I don't have
Speaker 1: to be Madame Cleo. I know, Bear Church, when they
Speaker 1: came in the room talking about sixty percent, you was
Speaker 1: out the league. Yeah, I'm the happen. It's gotta be
Speaker 1: a tough pill to swallow, especially you know you're talking
Speaker 1: about a Zeke. You know, he's always been that guy
Speaker 1: all the way. It's high school or how State took
Speaker 1: him on his back to the championship, came here rookie,
Speaker 1: I mean, just just m He's always been that guy's
Speaker 1: always been the focal point. So that's gotta be a
Speaker 1: tough pill to swallow for your ego, just to say,
Speaker 1: you know why if you want to remain here, you
Speaker 1: know we won't you, but not at this price. So
Speaker 1: it's I mean, that's gotta be tough swallow. So that's happening.
Speaker 1: I mean, they all did you know what's happening now?
Speaker 1: And his agents, from my understanding of people who talked
Speaker 1: to Rocky that they get it. They just are like,
Speaker 1: you know, don't don't, don't make it too much. You know,
Speaker 1: we got we got a number where we feel comfortable at.
Speaker 1: And that's obviously the case. But I'm just wondering, is
Speaker 1: it best not to just move on? Mickey Spackno how
Speaker 1: a great line he told me about ten years ago.
Speaker 1: He says, guys won't take a pay cut. They just
Speaker 1: won't take a pay cut for you. And that was
Speaker 1: right around the time Andre Jarribins like, I'd not taking
Speaker 1: that cut, and then he went up going to Baltimore
Speaker 1: to play. But I just wonder, is it just the
Speaker 1: best way to thank you for your service, We appreciate
Speaker 1: you and let him move on along. Y'all brought tiring back.
Speaker 1: You're talking about letting Zeke get about it. Man, don't
Speaker 1: play the whole year. Yeah, he's talking about a guy
Speaker 1: that's gonna get it here and literally give you seventy
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps. Can I fight you on that? Yes? Please? Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm going based on what they're saying. Okay,
Speaker 1: Stevens talking about we want tiring back. Stephen also said
Speaker 1: Zeke understands he's making some money, so he just put
Speaker 1: it all out there. Hey, he understand he's got to
Speaker 1: take a pay cut. So I'm just I hear what
Speaker 1: you're saying. But what they're saying is we're bringing tiring
Speaker 1: back Zeke. We got at minimum we go ahead to
Speaker 1: make sure. I know. I'm just I'm just thinking of
Speaker 1: the thought process of like, hey, man, like I said,
Speaker 1: the dude healthy is a still a good player. He
Speaker 1: has not been healthy almost for entire seasons. And then
Speaker 1: you don't know when. And then here's the other part,
Speaker 1: when it comes down to Zeke. You know that Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones for historically, since he's on the team, he's he's
Speaker 1: enamored with players, and you fit under that umbrella. And
Speaker 1: I think Zeke fits that umbrella. All the guaranteed money's
Speaker 1: already out of his contract. Will he take the pay cut?
Speaker 1: Because if you have someone that an agent that's keeping
Speaker 1: it real with you, then you understand that there's not
Speaker 1: a market for you. If you're Zeke, this may be
Speaker 1: the only place for you to be. And so I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to force his hand him, make him
Speaker 1: take it, but he may be in that position where
Speaker 1: he has to take a play cut because there's no
Speaker 1: market for his services. Oh he needs to take it
Speaker 1: a little bit, pay cut, take it no matter what,
Speaker 1: because he take nobody's gonna pay sixteen. Well, his question
Speaker 1: was should we just move on? And I was like, no, No,
Speaker 1: I want to take the pay cut, especially if you're gonna,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna when you win those two guys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man wasn't like Zeke was just trash
Speaker 1: this season. That's why you franchise Tag. That's why your
Speaker 1: franchise tag Tony Pollard Because if he gets an opportunity
Speaker 1: to see what his market is. You may end up
Speaker 1: when you say when you say, hey, the guy, the
Speaker 1: guy that you know he thought he performed. That's where
Speaker 1: I say terms of letting a guy go, because if
Speaker 1: you got to come back and you take less money
Speaker 1: and then you're like you said, man, he was been like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I did all this last year, play hurt this, I
Speaker 1: gotta take paka. How do you walk around the building?
Speaker 1: Do you walk around the build a little bit upset?
Speaker 1: And if you're Mike McCarthy, do you want that you
Speaker 1: got the new running back coaches? You running back coach
Speaker 1: who was the assistant? Like you think he can handle that?
Speaker 1: I mean Skippy Pete and out here anymore to talk
Speaker 1: to him? Yeah, that's true. What is he? Would you?
Speaker 1: Would you really want to be somewhere where you where
Speaker 1: you kind of wanted here, not really wanted to be
Speaker 1: Like and that's the thing to me, like, do you
Speaker 1: want to be that guy to come here and be
Speaker 1: like I'm just here because I'm here so they don't
Speaker 1: find Yeah, like you got that Walmart rollbacks to cart y'all.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I think I look at zeke
Speaker 1: as as the ultimate competitor, and if he was here,
Speaker 1: like you said, with a chip on the shoulder, realizing
Speaker 1: that if there's no market out there for you now
Speaker 1: and this is your only place, this is your last stop,
Speaker 1: then you have this is approve of year for you.
Speaker 1: And what do we know about players on improve of years?
Speaker 1: Most of the time the play. But so do you
Speaker 1: want that zeke? Do you want that? I want? What
Speaker 1: I'm saying, that's the Zeke that I wanted in the backfield,
Speaker 1: a guy that knows, hey man, this this might be
Speaker 1: the last shot. So I need to make sure that
Speaker 1: I'm doing every possible thing that I can't want to
Speaker 1: impress the new running back coach and the coaching staff
Speaker 1: and be disciplined enough to myself to say that I
Speaker 1: need to go to bed on time, eat on time,
Speaker 1: do whatever whatever it is I need to do to
Speaker 1: make sure that I have my best season. Ye let
Speaker 1: me ask you question. So let's just say the money
Speaker 1: is the same, Cowboys, is money the same as well
Speaker 1: as another team that's out there, you know, in the
Speaker 1: market for him. Would you stay here for that same
Speaker 1: money knowing that you're the kind of the clearance guy
Speaker 1: to backup guy, or would you go somewhere else and
Speaker 1: be you can be that starter for that same amount
Speaker 1: of money, put your ego on the chef and be
Speaker 1: a cowboy. You be a cowboy. Yeah, I'm leaving, I'm
Speaker 1: out speak. I would say he's not under your scenario.
Speaker 1: He stays. His sister is in is in law school
Speaker 1: here in town, mothers trying to move down here, believe
Speaker 1: dad's here as well, so so they basically have this
Speaker 1: just become home right, home base. So if you're having
Speaker 1: to leave and go someplace else, then they're here. You're
Speaker 1: not here. You're not gonna be most likely playing state,
Speaker 1: paying state taxes and trying to learn a new office.
Speaker 1: So based on the scenario you gave, if it's three
Speaker 1: two here and three two wherever else or five whatever,
Speaker 1: I would say he most most likely would take it here.
Speaker 1: But then again, that's why I asked a question. I
Speaker 1: don't know because obviously, man, this stuff happens. Man. Feelings
Speaker 1: are hurt, feelings are bruised. It's human. It's human nature. Man.
Speaker 1: If anybody, anybody out there, has worked for a company
Speaker 1: for a while and all of a sudden the company
Speaker 1: man with straight dollars, man daddy, he went through it.
Speaker 1: It's not a good feeling, man, it's not a good
Speaker 1: and and you guys cases are playing pro football. You
Speaker 1: hurt might roll out here and lifted out here and
Speaker 1: didn't he braces on and your warrior. Yeah that's my
Speaker 1: family and all that now to the families. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a tough thing, that senor. For me, just having seen
Speaker 1: enough of these, I usually think it's best to let
Speaker 1: dudes go because that way, thank you, We appreciate you
Speaker 1: that you go on gonna be mad somewhere else and
Speaker 1: look at me, give me the dirty stinker. I mean said,
Speaker 1: let me keep this clear, all right, the treatment that
Speaker 1: I got for my fake cut is not the treatment
Speaker 1: that Ezekiel is gonna get me here he get locked
Speaker 1: in no room, un telling you can't leave, all right,
Speaker 1: So let's let's make sure we got that out there.
Speaker 1: Let's gonna have call your mom. And now they're not
Speaker 1: gonna catch him slipping at the building. He go already,
Speaker 1: you know he got time I was at the building, Like, now,
Speaker 1: you ain't leaveing anything. If you do, you ain't coming back.
Speaker 1: That's that's what he ain't getting that treatment, bro. So
Speaker 1: to be a little different, so him being as salty
Speaker 1: is me. Probably not, I don't know. Let's take a
Speaker 1: take a break here. Um, there's a free agent on
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Speaker 1: Danny mccraigeg Ma Harrison, Mary Church. I'm new. He structs
Speaker 1: Knam a government a free agent, and we have not
Speaker 1: spoken a lot about kind of a government at all.
Speaker 1: No do you bring kindam a Government back and with
Speaker 1: the team putting all indications and Tyrann Smith will be
Speaker 1: back being right tackle depending on if Terrence Steel is
Speaker 1: playing or left tackle, and then whatever you do with
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith or you put Tyland Smith in left guard.
Speaker 1: I mean all of it. I come back, and what
Speaker 1: do you do with Kna mc governor, man, I can
Speaker 1: tell you I'm torn on that because I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: any NFL teams getting rid of offensive lineman unless they've
Speaker 1: exceeded their value in some way, they can't sign them
Speaker 1: or they've not exceeded you know, most of the time,
Speaker 1: young healthy offensive lineman is a commodity in the NFL.
Speaker 1: You want to hold on to that. Kantor m a
Speaker 1: Government when we drafted him, I think he had a
Speaker 1: red shirt year because of a knee or a hamstring
Speaker 1: or something like that. And when you have a guy
Speaker 1: work out the way that Kuna mc government has, you
Speaker 1: try and get him signed to a new contract. You
Speaker 1: don't let him go to another team because he's a
Speaker 1: guy that could possibly have a ten year or longer
Speaker 1: NFL career if he's if he's healthy. So I think
Speaker 1: Connor mcgovernor has done everything that you needed him to
Speaker 1: do as an offensive line, and you've built him up
Speaker 1: to this point. No need in getting off of that
Speaker 1: progress that you've built up in him. Now you have
Speaker 1: equity in him. I think you stay with it. We
Speaker 1: got a new old line coach, that's what I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we know about these coaches. They got their own
Speaker 1: players that usually they have an eye on. So I say,
Speaker 1: if you think this guy is about to hit the
Speaker 1: free agent market and you got a new offensive line coach,
Speaker 1: that that guy must have somebody in mind or he
Speaker 1: must have seen something on tape to say, this guy
Speaker 1: right here doesn't fit the technique or the system that
Speaker 1: I'm trying to bring to the Cowboys. So if that's
Speaker 1: the way it's going, hey man, bring your own people in.
Speaker 1: Bring him in, because the job it's on you at
Speaker 1: this point. When you come in here, they're expecting you
Speaker 1: to get this offensive line in shape to make sure
Speaker 1: that one we have a dominant offensive line they can pass,
Speaker 1: block and run protech. Because you're paying your running backs
Speaker 1: right now twenty six million dollars, so you want to,
Speaker 1: but you want to keep back healthy as well. You
Speaker 1: want to some time you don't want that pressure up
Speaker 1: in the middle. So uh yeah, I want to I
Speaker 1: want this like I want MacArthur to come here and
Speaker 1: call the players. I want this offensive line coach to
Speaker 1: bring in the guys that he thinks it's gonna work
Speaker 1: best in his system. That's true bringing. I say bring
Speaker 1: him back. You know, you gotta have as much depth
Speaker 1: as you can on the offsive line. And we saw
Speaker 1: last year we had you know, Jason Peters. Nothing against him,
Speaker 1: but you know he was up there in age. He
Speaker 1: was up there in the age, and you know, he
Speaker 1: performed while doing spot duty good. But when they put
Speaker 1: him in there, you know, the full time guy, he
Speaker 1: kind of struggled a little bit. So I think you
Speaker 1: have to go kind of young ger on the officive line.
Speaker 1: We're already flirting with the older tier guys out there
Speaker 1: with Smith. Martin's still phenomenal, but he's getting up there
Speaker 1: in the age as well, So I say bring him
Speaker 1: back depth along the offensive line. And then, uh he
Speaker 1: was doing good last year too, so I mean he
Speaker 1: can he can add some depth to this offensive line.
Speaker 1: He's got some position flex you can also play some
Speaker 1: center here. But it's Danny bring up a good point.
Speaker 1: I got you forgot about that boy. Yeah, so lor
Speaker 1: he's gonna come in here. So what does a new
Speaker 1: offensive line coach want to do there? So Dalton shows
Speaker 1: and we all agreement that that about it. Okay, Dad,
Speaker 1: he'll be he'll be with a you know, put your
Speaker 1: boys help y'all west with my guy. Thank you for
Speaker 1: when he is a top free agent on the list.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying one to five? He said one to
Speaker 1: five with two thousand yards over the last two seasons.
Speaker 1: You know the guy. The guy's a good player. Yes,
Speaker 1: it just depends on what you want from your tight end.
Speaker 1: From the tight end position, you want the pass catching guy,
Speaker 1: one of those safety blankers, or do you want a
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna be nasty in the ring game? And
Speaker 1: then also Casser passes out of the what we know.
Speaker 1: We know he's not nasty in the Usually it's hard
Speaker 1: to get bots like those guys, George, you know, it's
Speaker 1: few and far between for you to be able to
Speaker 1: find those type of guys in the league. Even like
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, he's not nasty in the ring, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he can get out there and really brought up some
Speaker 1: guys and play outside of the formation. So it just
Speaker 1: depends on what you want. So Church, I'll ask you,
Speaker 1: this is this NFL free agency comes around here, what
Speaker 1: was your agent telling you as this as this moment
Speaker 1: came and you knew, you knew you weren't gonna come
Speaker 1: back to the Capital. Oh, I knew. I think the
Speaker 1: uh the window opened to this today. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: had knew the day before, you know, the day before
Speaker 1: you know who all want shot, especially if you're one
Speaker 1: of them Day one guys that you know, as soon
Speaker 1: as the free agents hits your your contracts already basically
Speaker 1: signed up and ready to go. So I had knew
Speaker 1: I was gonna be out of here soon, especially halfway
Speaker 1: through the season. I forget the guys now you eat
Speaker 1: the ball cat kind of you know, he comes down
Speaker 1: there for I think his name's Adam. Maybe he was
Speaker 1: ahead of all the contracts back when we was playing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he came in him halfway through the season.
Speaker 1: You know, Nay, you know you got good market on
Speaker 1: you right now, you know, So we're gonna see what
Speaker 1: we can do. That on the phone my agent the
Speaker 1: next day, Hey, man, shop around. We gonna see what
Speaker 1: we ended up coming with the Jaguars, and I went
Speaker 1: for the highest bidder. I didn't care about teams or
Speaker 1: who's good and what's best skiing fit. I didn't care
Speaker 1: about nothings. I need this bread. So Jaguars came a
Speaker 1: knock and I said they are they the highest bid?
Speaker 1: Between them Carolina and uh the Commanders. Yeah, so it
Speaker 1: was between them through Oh man, I'm so happy I
Speaker 1: didn't do that. It was a little short. You didn't
Speaker 1: do that got the go so, you know, shout out
Speaker 1: Jon Hatcher didn't try to recruits you or anything like that. No,
Speaker 1: I think I think he might have been gone by
Speaker 1: that time. I think he might have been on his
Speaker 1: like they were releasing him his last year or something
Speaker 1: like that by the time I went to Jacksonville. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a couple dollars shorts. Did you visit anywhere?
Speaker 1: Just nah, I don't even visit. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: these figures is talking about it. Yeah, it worked, working,
Speaker 1: yea working? Or shows me the money you got it too?
Speaker 1: What that was my guy right there? I mean, but
Speaker 1: showing you know what? Man, so many you you're gonna
Speaker 1: start to see like you saw the run pain yesterday
Speaker 1: for the Commanders boy, he broke the bank. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about back the bring, struck up to the facility, throw
Speaker 1: the bags in there. I mean you got that. They
Speaker 1: didn't even allow him to even get to the point.
Speaker 1: You know. It's I mean, teams are gonna show you
Speaker 1: what they think about you. Man, You're gonna start to
Speaker 1: see real quick, exactly, real quick. I hated for the player.
Speaker 1: He's a really good player. It's just a bad organization. Man.
Speaker 1: You get paid a lot of money, man, but you're
Speaker 1: not going anything there. He's a bad owner. He's never
Speaker 1: won anything there. But hey, you know, I said, I'm
Speaker 1: sure the run pain don't care in the in the
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