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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Car Stories.

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Speaker 2: With Son King and Amelia Hartford.

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Speaker 1: And today we have a living legend, mister John Oates,

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Speaker 1: not only as a great musician, but he is a

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Speaker 1: true lover of cars.

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Speaker 2: We don't talk about music very much. I mean we

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Speaker 2: talk about him touring in a gto and he just

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Speaker 2: has beautiful stories around cars. Who would have known you

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Speaker 2: such a car guy.

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Speaker 1: Just a wonderful young spirit about him one and it's

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Speaker 1: great to learn from him what it takes to be successful.

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Speaker 1: And now he approaches life daily.

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Speaker 2: He's lived an incredible life and it was such a

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Speaker 2: blessing to get to hear it. So, without further ado,

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Speaker 2: John Oates.

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Speaker 1: John, could you take us back and give us context

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Speaker 1: on how you found your passion because obviously your first

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Speaker 1: passion is music and then cars we'll talk about cars. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: But where did you discover that?

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Speaker 3: Well, if you're talking about music, I guess I was

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Speaker 3: born into being a musician. I was born to be

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Speaker 3: a musician. I started singing as a baby. Literally, my

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Speaker 3: mom would take me in a baby carriage in New

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Speaker 3: York City when we lived in New York City and

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Speaker 3: take me up to up the block to where there

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Speaker 3: was a garage, and there was a bunch of guys

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Speaker 3: in front of the garage and she would and they

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Speaker 3: would ask me to sing, and I would sing like

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Speaker 3: little children's songs. So I just sang. I don't know

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Speaker 3: why or how. And then you know, I have a

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Speaker 3: recording of me singing at four years old at Coney

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Speaker 3: Island Amusement Park. You know, one of those those recording

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Speaker 3: booths that like the kind of Jack White has where

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Speaker 3: you know, you put a coin in and you sing

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Speaker 3: and a little record comes out. So I actually have

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Speaker 3: a few of those. And I took singing lessons at five.

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Speaker 3: I began playing guitar at six. Never looked back, and

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Speaker 3: my mom was a bit of a stage mom, you know.

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Speaker 3: She pushed me, she you know, which some sometimes I

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Speaker 3: look back and regret it, but other times I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: But I was one of those kids, you know, I

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Speaker 3: sang in little kiddie shows. And she used to dress

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Speaker 3: me up in a red blazer with white bucks. And

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Speaker 3: to this day, I can't wear red. I have a

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Speaker 3: phobia about it. But you know, it was just one

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Speaker 3: of the things I was. I was performing from the

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Speaker 3: time I was like literally five and six years old.

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Speaker 1: So you were born to do this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I mean I never you know,

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Speaker 3: if someone ever would have said you suck or stop

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Speaker 3: or start booing, I probably would have quit. But that

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Speaker 3: never never quite happened. Happened a few times, but not

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Speaker 3: to the point where I would would reconsidered it. I

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Speaker 3: never really considered anything else, even though I went to

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Speaker 3: college for journalism, but I just that was just you know,

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Speaker 3: get a degree. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Really basically, is that what your mom wanted you to do?

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Speaker 3: You know she wanted she didn't want me to do anything.

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Speaker 3: I did it too, because I wanted to go to

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Speaker 3: the city. I grew up in a small town in

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Speaker 3: Pennsylvania after we moved from New York, and I knew

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Speaker 3: the city was where it was at, that was where

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Speaker 3: you know, the music was, that's where you know, other

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Speaker 3: people were. So I began to go to Philadelphia me

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Speaker 3: almost immediately in high school, and then I went to

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Speaker 3: right in the middle of the city and I could

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Speaker 3: be close to the music scene, and writing and journalism

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Speaker 3: always came easy. To me, So I just did it

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Speaker 1: Really, well, were the dudes driving in high school back

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Speaker 1: then in your small town.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: One of the reasons I've developed a passion for sports

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Speaker 3: cars was I had a very good friend when I

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Speaker 3: was in tenth grade who had a TR three t

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Speaker 3: the coolest thing. And then this exchange student came over

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Speaker 3: Cooper and I had never seen one of those. And

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Speaker 3: I drove as Mini Cooper and it was the greatest thing.

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Speaker 3: It could spin its front tires, it was front wheel drive.

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Speaker 3: It was so exotic to me, you know. And then

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Speaker 3: I started going to the local road races, the reading

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Speaker 3: was even midgets and stock car racing on dirt, you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, I saw all that stuff as a little kid,

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Speaker 3: and I just began to love it. And then as

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Speaker 3: soon as I got old enough to drive, I started driving.

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Speaker 2: What was the first car.

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Speaker 3: The first car that I had was a Renault Dauphin.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know even what that is. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: a little tiny Renaut and one of the things they

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Speaker 3: Had this little tiny switch under the steering wheel and

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Speaker 3: one went peepeep boop poop, peepee poop poop, and that

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Speaker 3: immediately to an MGB. MGB was my first sports car.

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Speaker 3: And I've a lot of cars, so I don't know

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Speaker 3: where you want to go with this. An Alpha Romeo

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Speaker 3: Show in the seventies. I was seventy two, and I

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Speaker 3: like I can't afford a Ferrari, but I can maybe

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Speaker 3: afford this. And it was black with a saddle interior.

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Speaker 3: It was absolutely beautiful, and to this day, the Alpha

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Speaker 3: Spider is still one of my favorite cars to drive.

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Speaker 3: The real change for me was right here in California,

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Speaker 3: about a mile or two away Beverly Hills Portie on

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Speaker 1: It's an auto body shop now, is it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, one day I was driving down Wiltshire and in

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Speaker 3: the corner of the showroom was a red nine thirty turbo.

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Speaker 3: They had just come out in seventy six, and this

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Speaker 3: I was reading all the magazines and I saw it

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Speaker 3: just look at this thing, because I've never seen one real,

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Speaker 3: and told me that Rod Stewart had a deposit on it.

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Speaker 3: It had gold BBS wheels by the way, and was

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Speaker 3: to my manager and I said, hey, I saw this car,

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Speaker 3: and I said, man, I said, it's too bad, it's

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Speaker 3: So my manager was a pretty tough Italian guy from.

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Speaker 2: New York, swelling, I love where this is going, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 3: And so we went in and Sonny Bono had a

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Speaker 3: and he told this salesman he said, he said, we

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Speaker 3: can make a deal. He says, I'll buy the Blackie

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Speaker 3: three fifty six, but we need to get this nine

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Speaker 3: last thing I saw was my manager with his arm

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Speaker 2: And then red became her favorite color again after that.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it was okay in the car. It was

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Speaker 3: okay in the car, but that that turbo. That one

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Speaker 3: of the greatest things I had ever done was drive

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Speaker 3: that from the East coast back to LA and I

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Speaker 1: Was it easy to just pick up and drive? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 3: It was dangerous because it was like an on and

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Speaker 3: didn't have much power really, And it's funny to think

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Speaker 3: back at that car. That car had two hundred and

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Speaker 3: seven horsepower freaking hondas you know, blow it away, right,

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Speaker 3: But in those days it was so light, and when

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Speaker 3: to spin. It was very dangerous. But you know, driving

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Speaker 1: But two hundred and seven horsepower, that's nothing.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: The European version had like two fifteen and it was

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Speaker 3: and yet it was a supercar.

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Speaker 2: At the time. That was a lot of horsepower, and

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Speaker 2: that was a pretty light and nimble car exactly.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you think about it in modern terms. You know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you've got two hundred horse power in the trunk of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how much horsepower is the car that you drove five?

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Speaker 2: It's like six something, six six something. My sedan is

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Speaker 2: like seven something? What I have a few cars?

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Speaker 2: No, we're not going to take turns stowhere. I want

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Speaker 2: to hear more about your collection. But I did recently

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Speaker 2: just buy a CT five E Black Wing, which is a.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah, oh my god, the Cadillact.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the last manual that they'll make, so I

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Speaker 2: had to get it. Yeah. Oh, it's fun, turn off

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Speaker 2: trash control. It's another car.

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Speaker 3: Well you are, I'm scared of you. That's great.

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Speaker 2: Every passenger in my car is as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I can see what So that that era people

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Speaker 1: who were into European cars like Porschas and you know,

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Speaker 1: because that was very like American Iron era, right, like

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Speaker 1: the Mustangs and the Chapelles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I never got into the muscle car era thing.

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Speaker 3: I think it had to do a lot with my

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Speaker 3: parents when my mother's side of the family, being Italian,

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Speaker 3: always had a I was always oriented toward Europe. You

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Speaker 3: So I just seemed to have that connection. And then

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Speaker 3: I started to one of the things that really kind

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Speaker 3: imported European track was I found a collection of road

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Speaker 3: someone had discarded, and they were went all the way

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Speaker 3: back to nineteen forty eight and I still have them.

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Speaker 3: I have an amazing collection of these vintage road and

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Speaker 3: track magazines. And they were in a box. Someone had

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Speaker 3: put them on the side of the street, and I

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Speaker 3: through them, and all of us sudden there was this

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Speaker 3: exotic world opened up to me. You know, one Manuel Fangio,

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Speaker 3: Stirling Moss, you know these names Ascari, you know, Tasio, Nuvolari,

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Speaker 3: and all these exotic circuits, you know, like Manza, the

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Speaker 3: whole world out there, and I didn't. I began to

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Speaker 3: You started with carts like so many drivers do. What

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Speaker 2: I love Limerock, you know, Limerock. Yeah, yeah, I've done

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Speaker 3: It was almost that bad. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: That's what everyone compared them to.

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Speaker 1: It was cool, and the GT model was like it

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Speaker 1: But I think there's going to be a resurgence.

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Speaker 3: I should you should lead the resurgence. I think you

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Speaker 1: I mean we could probably get a few for a

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Speaker 1: He had a mutual friend of ours, Rod Emory here, Yes,

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, it all happened, right, here in Hollywood. I

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Speaker 3: a hotel here in West Hollywood and I had a

436
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,879
Speaker 3: day off, so my drummer and I went got an a

437
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,640
Speaker 3: rental car and we drove out there and I said,

438
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,199
Speaker 3: oh my god. And I looked around and I remember

439
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 3: my drummer saying, he said, where you are in trouble?

440
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, I think I am. And so

441
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 3: we talked and Rod was, you know, obviously very friendly

442
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 3: and fun, and he said, do you want to go

443
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 3: for a ride? So you let me drive. He drove

444
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 3: the car down. We went down toward Burbank Airport a

445
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 3: little bit just on the street, and then turned around

446
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 3: he said you can drive it back. And I drove

447
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 3: it back and I was like, oh my god. I said, okay,

448
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 3: what is this going to take? And he started telling

449
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 3: me the reality of what it was going to take.

450
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,199
Speaker 3: How many years and the price and all you know,

451
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 3: we're close to the price. And so I told him

452
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 3: I had a fifty six Speedster back in the eighties.

453
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 3: I had a silver Speedster, and of all the cars

454
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 3: that I got rid of, that was the only car

455
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 3: I ever regretted. And he said, so you want a

456
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 3: Speedster to replace it? And I said, well, not really,

457
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 3: because I already had one. I said, but I want

458
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 3: that feeling. I want what the feeling of that speedster.

459
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 3: But not, And so that's why we came up with

460
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 3: this version of the three fifty six.

461
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 2: How long did it take to find the body of

462
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 2: the car?

463
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 3: Not long at all. He found it in Texas and

464
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 3: it was a true barn find. It was actually in

465
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 3: a bar and I have pictures of that, and it

466
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 3: was full of hornets nests. Oh there are bees nests

467
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 3: inside it. And the front was completely crushed in on

468
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 3: a telephone pole. So he got a pretty good deal.

469
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 3: And this was the Beak that's right with a removable hardtop.

470
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 3: And so they trucked it back to California and Rod said,

471
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 3: I found the right car for you. And he said,

472
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 3: and the cool thing is it's got this removable heardtop.

473
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 3: And I want to do something special with it, because

474
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 3: I thought, well, it'll be a convertible end up being

475
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 3: a real caberlet, right, And I do have the soft

476
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 3: top for it, and I've never put it on the car.

477
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 3: There's just no reason for it.

478
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 2: And you replace the front end of that right with

479
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: a different style, that's.

480
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 3: Right, because it was a B caballet that in Porsche.

481
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: You know, in those days, as federal regulations require different

482
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 3: safety things, Porsche was forced to raise the angle and

483
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 3: the height of the the pontoons that they call them,

484
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 3: and Porsche speak right, the the fenders raised those up

485
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 3: a little bit. So from the A model to the

486
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 3: B model, the front end got a little bit more

487
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 3: upright and a little less sexy and a little less sleek.

488
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: You know, still look good, of course, but the A

489
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 3: model was much more elegant. It had like a more

490
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 3: you know, cooler look.

491
00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

492
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 3: And so when Rod was going to have to fix

493
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,239
Speaker 3: the entire front end of the car, basically cut it

494
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 3: off and start over. So I said, if you're going

495
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: to do that, I said, let's put an a nose

496
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: on it. Why, you know, why bother, We're not We're

497
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 3: not trying for originality here. We know what this is

498
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 3: going to be, and he said, yeah, and not only

499
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: is it an a nose, but it's the headlights a

500
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 3: rake back even further about three degrees back. You know.

501
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: Of course, he took the trunk lid thing off and

502
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 3: just put a little emblem.

503
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: You're talking that long like strip.

504
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 3: The strip strip that's on the front, and it's just

505
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 3: a little antique Porsche of badge.

506
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: You were probably the first to do to combine the

507
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: two bodies at the time.

508
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't know if he had done that before.

509
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 3: Probably not. And that's what makes him so great is

510
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 3: that he he has a he has ah, he has

511
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: a respect and a reverence for the history. But he

512
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 3: has a Southern California hot rod background. You know. You

513
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: know his father and his grandfather. His grandfather in particular

514
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 3: was one of the early hot rodders in Southern California

515
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 3: right after World War Two. So Rob learned from his grandfather,

516
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: you know, the Southern California hot rod mentality, and he

517
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: carries that. But with the history of Porsche and being

518
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 3: and wanting to be you know, I guess you'd say

519
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: reverential to the brand.

520
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: He talks about. When he was eight years old, he

521
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: was assembling engines. Just to show how deep rooted his

522
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 2: love of cars is.

523
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: His dad helped him build his first car when he's fourteen,

524
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 3: so you know he and he's a master craftsman when

525
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 3: it comes to metalworking, and that's an old school technique,

526
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 3: really old school craftsmanship, you know, which is a dying art,

527
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: lost art.

528
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: Really, John, do you see any parallels with a I

529
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: would call Rod like a master builder, master artistan within

530
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: cars and the masters you met and had the privilege

531
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: to work with in music, do you see parallels and personality?

532
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: That's a good question. Yes, It's about passion. It's about

533
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: passion and dedication. It's about the people who are really

534
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: committed to their craft, whatever that might be. They're there.

535
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: There's i think, I think, very single minded in a

536
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: lot of ways. And they're they they they've kind of realized,

537
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 3: i think at some point in their life that they're

538
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: going to that's what they're going to do, and that

539
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 3: you're going to do it as as best as they can,

540
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: as well as they can. And you know, you find

541
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: out with instrumentalists, musicians, players, singers, you know, producers, engineers.

542
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 3: You know, once once they they they say they know

543
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: that that's where their life is going to take them.

544
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 3: Then they, you know, the good ones really, you know,

545
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: dive in, jump in with both feet, and that's it,

546
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 3: you know. I think that's to me, that's the the parallel.

547
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: I would say, do you have advice for people listening

548
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 2: seeking to find a passion who maybe haven't found it yet.

549
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 3: I don't know how you find it. I think it

550
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 3: finds you.

551
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: You know, i'd agree with that.

552
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. You have to

553
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: be open to it, and you have to be open

554
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 3: minded to to see the possibilities. And I think having

555
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 3: a mentor, you know, having aligning yourself with a teacher

556
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 3: or a mentor, I think is very important. And you

557
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 3: know the old cliche, you know, when you're ready, the

558
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 3: teacher would be found, you know, he'll find you or whatever.

559
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 3: I think it's true. I had a mentor, you know,

560
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: I had a guitar mentor in Philadelphia and back in

561
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: the sixties, a guy named Jerry Rix who he really

562
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: taught me. Not only did he teach me, you know,

563
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 3: about how to use my fingers and the kind of

564
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: mechanical side of things, but he taught me how to listen,

565
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: and he taught me, you know, how to critically listen,

566
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: you know, which is a hallmark of a great musician.

567
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 3: Is even to this day, you know, the best musicians

568
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: are the ones that knew how to listen, because by listening,

569
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 3: they're they're not only they're they're able to bring out

570
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: the best of themselves, but they can bring out the

571
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: best in the people around them, because it's like a team. So,

572
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: you know, I think finding a mentor and and finding

573
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 3: something that you know that just turns you on, you know,

574
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 3: and then you want to take that road and just

575
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 3: take it as far as you can.

576
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's harder today to find mentors

577
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: for your generation, for younger folks, you know.

578
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: I believe mentors are out there. I think, you know,

579
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 2: and this is my own perceived belief that maybe it's

580
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,239
Speaker 2: harder to ask for help today. Why, I don't know.

581
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: I would probably relate it to mental health and social

582
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: media issues in constantly comparing yourself. To use an example

583
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 2: for myself, when I first heard of mentorship, because as

584
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: you know, and people listening, I didn't really have a

585
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: father growing up, so I didn't have the guidance I needed.

586
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: So when I started learning about mentorship, I thought this

587
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 2: was like this huge thing, like I had to ask

588
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: someone and like present something like please, will you be

589
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 2: my mentor and we'll take these weekly meetings. But it's

590
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 2: not really like that, And I don't know that a

591
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: lot of people know that. You know, in ways, a

592
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 2: lot of your peers could be mentors to you in

593
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: different ways, whether it's easy or not. I think it's

594
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: are you open to listening and to hearing advice as

595
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: it's given to you? Do you respect the person whose

596
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: advice you're taking it from? Are you willing to do

597
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: anything with the advice or do you just want to

598
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 2: hear it?

599
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel, John, but you know,

600
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: with with social media today, I feel like information is

601
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: less precious before, you know, growing up, if I wanted

602
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: to go learn how to change oil in a car,

603
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: I had to go find the mentor. Had somebody had to.

604
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 2: Sure, you can't just YouTube it anymore?

605
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: Right, Well, so that relationship was super precious.

606
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, well then how about we talk about chat GPT

607
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: And now we're in a whole other level of that, right,

608
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: I mean, is there really going to be a society

609
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: where kids don't go to school anymore because there's no

610
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: reason to because if you want information, you can immediately

611
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: have it to teach it to you anymore, you just

612
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: access it. I'm taking a lot of deep dives into AI,

613
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 3: so don't get me started.

614
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: I think you're right in a degree where I think

615
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: it's at the end of the day too, it's how

616
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: well are you going to apply yourself to learning these

617
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: techniques because say like chat GPT could teach you what

618
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: chords are, but are you going to take the time

619
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: to practice them and learn them?

620
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: True? True, But what if you if you only have

621
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: a very specific interest and that's all you want to know?

622
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: What happens to the rest of your life? What happens

623
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: to your ability to understand anything else other than the

624
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: thing that you've decided to just focus on as a

625
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: well rounded human being, as someone who understands the perspective

626
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: of history, that there's a whole you know, multiple multiple

627
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: levels of of you know, kind of this being force

628
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: fed information or having this information you know, so easily accessible.

629
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 3: It's an interesting it's an interesting place in the world

630
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: we're going.

631
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: Recently, I heard this argument about AI saying that it'll

632
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: never really take over because I mean someone like yourself,

633
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: who is an artist who makes music. Do you think

634
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: that AI could actually duplicate, you know, and create new music?

635
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean I replicate.

636
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: Well, I'll give you an example. I was with a

637
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: friend who had chat GPT and he said, let's have

638
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: some fun with this. He said, let's he put in

639
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: write a song. A John Oates song has to do

640
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: with a girl on the beach in a summer, blah

641
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: blah blah, just some random images. Right three seconds later,

642
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: there were five verses and I looked at it and

643
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: it was it was an amalgamation of stuff from other

644
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: songs that I had written combined and it really could

645
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: have been I could have written it.

646
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: Did that trip you out?

647
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: It tripped me out. I don't think it was as

648
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: good as something I might have written, but it was close.

649
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 3: See it was close.

650
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: But without you there would be no verse. So there

651
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: has to be a human to that that noweah.

652
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: Or it can just replicate humans of the past. The

653
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: thing is is that I'm what I'm really afraid of

654
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: is that songwriting as an art and a craft will

655
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: disappear because everyone will be able to write a song,

656
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: but a good song, it's all subjective, isn't it. Do

657
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: you think the songs on TikTok Now are good? I don't,

658
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: but some people think they're great.

659
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: Do you think your music or your career would have

660
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: been different in some way if there was social media

661
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: when you were in the seventies?

662
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, I don't think you can even

663
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: compare the times. You know, it's just completely different. You know,

664
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: when I was in my twenties, if you wanted to

665
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 3: call someone, you call them at their house, and if

666
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: they weren't home, they didn't answer the phone. There wasn't

667
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: even an answering machine, and so you had to wait

668
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: until someone picked up the phone. I mean, it's like weird.

669
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: I mean to even think about how did anyone even

670
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: get anything done? Right? But life moved on and people

671
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: were able to function.

672
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,239
Speaker 2: I do remember a time of having to look in

673
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: phone books for numbers and pre area codes when you

674
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: didn't have to type in an area code.

675
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: You can't possibly remember pre area.

676
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: I do remember that. I do remember that, really, Yeah,

677
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: I remember preis.

678
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: That's what's pre what's that.

679
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: Beginning of number?

680
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: There was only seven numbers?

681
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: Oh they didn't it?

682
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: Really? God, I'm not older than you.

683
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: That's that's surprising that you remember that. Well, so I'll

684
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: just I'll just wave the flag for my old ags.

685
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: I remember when the three numbers were letters letters. Yes,

686
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: in New York, the numbers were murray Hill six eight

687
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: five zero zero, and it was murray Hill, like murray

688
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: Hill was an area in New York, and the first

689
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: two numbers were MU and so you type, you know,

690
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: you go m U six and.

691
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: Then you I just thought they were always numbers.

692
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: No, they were they were letters.

693
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: Who.

694
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember I grew up with the area in

695
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: the house that had phone furniture.

696
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: What.

697
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was like a table for the phone. Then yeah,

698
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: there was like furniture for the phone, and there was

699
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: like linen. There's like this, you know, like linen for

700
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: the for the for the furniture, and you my mom

701
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: would clean it because she's like, this is expensive. This

702
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: is expensive merchandise.

703
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 2: We have phone in the kitchen with a really long corner,

704
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: or you were.

705
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: Around the corner so you could have some privacy.

706
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't like the fact

707
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: that anybody could contact me. There's like a level of

708
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: stress and expectation today, like if if if I say

709
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: you a text, or you send me a text.

710
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: And if I don't answer immediately, you could assume that

711
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 3: maybe there's a.

712
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 2: Problem or yeah, right, yeah, one hundred person.

713
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: It's weird. I know. I agree.

714
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: It's almost too much communication today.

715
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's way too much.

716
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I have over twelve hundred on red text

717
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: messages on my phone.

718
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: It's a hundred. Yeah, so you're just ignoring people.

719
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say ignore ill these.

720
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: Are people, you know.

721
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: I Yeah, maybe you shouldn't be telling people this.

722
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard to keep up with the day

723
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: to day communications when everyone's trying to trying to reach

724
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: out about something.

725
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes, the world is accelerating very quickly.

726
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

727
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of accelerating, how do you feel about EV

728
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: cars taking over the world?

729
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 3: Now, I think there's a problem. I didn't the president

730
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: of Toyota just say he's going to back off now

731
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 3: on building EV's.

732
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't hear that.

733
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, he announced it at an auto show. Because there's

734
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: a I think there's going to be a backlash because

735
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: the electric grid cannot necessarily handle the amount of If

736
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: the world goes completely EV. I think that I personally,

737
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: I am a real fan of the mild hybrid. I

738
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: think the mild hybrid is the way to go. I

739
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: love an efficient gasoline engine that charges a battery without

740
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: a separate auxiliary, you know, electrical port. I just think

741
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 3: where our world is right now. I think it's a

742
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: more efficient ice engines. And they're developing artificial gasoline plant

743
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: based gasoline too, which is porstious involved in that as

744
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: well down in South America. So for me, that's the

745
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: way to go for now. The hybrids in general are

746
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: pretty cool.

747
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: Did you see the new Lamborghinia of walto No's that's

748
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: a hybrid, Yeah, the first V twelve hybrid that they've produced,

749
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: And I mean there's there's benefits to it as well.

750
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: To have something like that, which is.

751
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: That car three million.

752
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: Dollars a lot, it's a prettysh That new Contash is

753
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: pretty sweet.

754
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that are making a revie.

755
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: It is two million?

756
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: Is it a retro feeld So it's got the Quintash

757
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: kind of design language, but not really.

758
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like if Kuntash had a baby.

759
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it is.

760
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: Like. I'm not a big Lambeau fan like modern day lamps,

761
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: but when I saw this, I was like, and I saw.

762
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: I was like, oh wow, well I remember I remember

763
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: in the eighties when the Kuntash was the ship thing.

764
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: I still want one of those.

765
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: That was the thing. I mean, if you were like

766
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 3: in La especially like all the big rock stars had quintush,

767
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: that was like a big deal. Yeah. Were they reliable?

768
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: The people cares just cares. You couldn't even see out

769
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: of them much less, you know. But I remember going

770
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: to the recording studio and you'd see a Kantush sitting there,

771
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: you know, you know, somebody heavy duty was in there.

772
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 2: Was there her dream car that you wish to own

773
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: that didn't get a chance to.

774
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. The only car that I ever really wanted to

775
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 3: own was a five was a Mercedes three hundred SL

776
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: sure yeah, Goldwin Coop or or or the Roadster. Yesl R.

777
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: You never doing.

778
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 3: I always thought that just something about them is just perfect.

779
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: Beautiful huh pieces of art. You know what's amazing? John

780
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: is Wait, how old are you? I'm sorry, I don't know.

781
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: Seventies obviously, because you were saying you got your I just.

782
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 3: Turned seventy five to five.

783
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: But I feel like I'm talking to a seventeen year

784
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: old because I.

785
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: Have a young sir, I was pretty dumb when I

786
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: was seventeen. Thanks for the company.

787
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: In terms of intellect, No, I'm talking about like the

788
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: light behind your eyes, And this is something that I'm

789
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: always in search of because at least in Hollywood in

790
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: my business, like you meet people and they're so jaded

791
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: that light behind their eyes is damned how and if

792
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: you could give some advice, like how do you preserve that?

793
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: Like how did you stay this way?

794
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: I had no idea. I don't know. I like people,

795
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 3: I like life, I like what I do. I'm I'm

796
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. I don't know why I'm

797
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: who I am. I just am. But you know, thank

798
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 3: you as a compliment. I appreciate that. I try to be.

799
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: I try to, you know, enjoy interaction. I love I

800
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 3: love talking to people, and I love talking about myself. Now,

801
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: this is the greatest thing that ever happened.

802
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: No, I've been talking.

803
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: About myself all day long. And it's funny because I

804
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 3: always make a joke about it. If you'll say, well,

805
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: what did you do this?

806
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: I talked about myself so well, how do you stay grounded?

807
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 3: I had great parents. I was really lucky, you know,

808
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 3: good solid parents, and very lower middle class, you know,

809
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 3: immigrant parents, you know, came My mom was born in America,

810
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 3: but her mother was born in Italy. My father's mother

811
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: and father were born in Europe. They were just you know,

812
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: my grandfather was a fruit vendor. He went down the

813
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 3: street in New York City with a donkey and a

814
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: sold fruit. So you know, it's only up from there,

815
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: you know. And I just it's the kind of people

816
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: I came from, and you know, and I was just

817
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: lucky to have them and have them support me. And

818
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 3: I just felt, you know, I always felt like I

819
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 3: had to prove myself in a way.

820
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: Do you feel that you've proved yourself or do you

821
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: still feel that today in different areas.

822
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: Always, I mean, I know I proved myself, but I

823
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: don't feel that way. I feel like I really I'm

824
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: still working at being better. I practice guitar all the time.

825
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 3: I've always want to do a better show. I would.

826
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 3: I think I can still write a better song. I don't,

827
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if I can, but I

828
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: think I can, and that's what I try to do.

829
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: One thing I think is that I am very appreciative

830
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: of where I am, and you know, a lot of people,

831
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: I think when they achieve something, you know, they want to.

832
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 3: They just want to, you know that they want that

833
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 3: to be the reflection of who they are. I don't

834
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: want achievements to be a reflection who you are. I

835
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: want the essence of who I am as a person

836
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: be the reflection of who I am. I think that's

837
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 3: more important to me. But at the same time, I

838
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: push myself, you know, professionally to be as good as

839
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: I can be. The other thing is and you know,

840
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 3: and I know I'm probably going off on some weird

841
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: grant here, but you know, the commercial success of Hall

842
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 3: and Oates has given me this incredible opportunity to do

843
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: whatever I want in life, not only in life personally,

844
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: but as a musician. Not many musicians get that. You know,

845
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 3: a lot of musicians strive thetimate. The ultimate goal for

846
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: any creative person is creative freedom. That's what everyone wants,

847
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: whether they say it or not, That's what they want.

848
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: They want to be able to do anything they want

849
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 3: and not be concerned that they can make a living

850
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: doing it or you know that anyone is going to

851
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: criticize them blah blah blah. So I have achieved that

852
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: and it's a very rare thing to achieve, to be

853
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: able to do anything you want, and it's it's you

854
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: can squander it, and you can waste it, you know.

855
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 3: But to do that would be a real crime, and

856
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: it would be really you know, I think it would

857
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: just be it would cast a bad, you know, spell

858
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: on your on your actual achievements. So I'm very I'm

859
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 3: very conscious of that, and I want to be I'd

860
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: rather be an example of someone who has that and

861
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: could stop and could rest on his laurels, so to speak,

862
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: but instead make the most of it, make the most

863
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: of this unique opportunity that very it's very rarely people

864
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: get to have. But in the end, you know, I

865
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: just I just want to. I want to I want

866
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: to go out walking.

867
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's that's it. That's words of

868
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: wisdom because it's and I needed to hear that because,

869
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, lately I've been questioning like, like, you know,

870
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: why am I so result oriented in terms of my career, Like,

871
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm in the process of going out there

872
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: and trying to direct film now, and I'm out there

873
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: pitching to studios and most of the time it's no

874
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: you know, this is a business of knows, right, and

875
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: I get so down and like it's third are days

876
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: where like I just feel like, oh man, I don't

877
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: know if I can keep going. But then as I

878
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: get older, John, like, you know, the other day, I

879
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: had this epiphany. And I've heard it before, but I

880
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: never believed it and I never applied it to my life.

881
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, you get the opportunity to try

882
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: to do this, Like, it's pretty awesome that you got

883
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: to you know, collaborate with people and you know, you

884
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: got to write a script and then you got to

885
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: build this crew and then you get to actually pitch

886
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: your idea that you just pull out of your ass.

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Speaker 2: To a bunch of them. I'm going to mother bear

888
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Speaker 2: a little bit and say you shouldn't say try because

889
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 2: you are directing, and you did direct a film, and

890
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 2: you are incredibly successful and great and you've had great

891
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: meetings and people would love and dream to work with you,

892
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: you or a director. Just to think put that out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, I mean for the next project, right,

894
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: that's a good team. Yeah yeah, right, yeah, yeah, thank

895
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Speaker 1: you though, but yeah, I it's I mean, I I

896
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: do feel like that's something I needed to hear. Is

897
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: that the process, right is if for those folks out

898
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: there that get to even try to, you know, to

899
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: accomplish your dream, that's pretty much. That's a that's a

900
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: big feat within itself, right.

901
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people never even get close to it.

902
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's also scary just to do it sometimes

903
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: and that can de tear people, but it's worth it

904
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: at least try.

905
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 3: You have to try.

906
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

907
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, well this is quite a conversation, folks.

908
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Speaker 1: This has been amazing.

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00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is great. Thanks for having me. I didn't

911
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: know what we were going to do, but this is like.

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Speaker 2: We did it.

913
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: We did it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a it's a real blessing to

915
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Speaker 1: have you here, and thanks as someone of your stature

916
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: and your accomplished mints to be able to share not

917
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: only your love affair for cars, but you know, the

918
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Speaker 1: wisdom that you've been able to garner through your life.

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Speaker 3: You know, so my wife doesn't call it wisdom.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, John.

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Speaker 2: You