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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is the drummer for the Gil Goes,

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Speaker 1: soon to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame, the one and only Gina Shocked. Gina, good

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Speaker 1: to have you here. Hey Rob, thank you my friend,

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Speaker 1: but you'll be on your show. You have this new

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Speaker 1: book Meet in the Hollywood. It's a picture book in

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Speaker 1: the story book. What motivated you to do that at

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Speaker 1: this time? Well, um, it's something that I've been wanting

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Speaker 1: to do for decades and I the thought of trying

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Speaker 1: to get all of those photographs and ephemera that I

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Speaker 1: have collected over the years was like overwhelming. So I

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Speaker 1: was looking for a person to help me do it.

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Speaker 1: I finally found the right person to help me, this guy,

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Speaker 1: Steve in l A. He came up, I pulled out

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Speaker 1: all of my photographs, had him all in in my

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Speaker 1: living room floor. He walked and he said, Gina, this

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Speaker 1: is a credit. Sure, this is incredible. We got to

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Speaker 1: go right up. We're going to write up uh what

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Speaker 1: he called it, what he caught makeook. Yeah, Well we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do make a coffee table photo coffee table book anyway,

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Speaker 1: So we we wrote wrote up a what do you

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Speaker 1: call why can't I think of that? Proposal? Proposal Jane,

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Speaker 1: there's christ my senior moment lasted for ten minutes. Okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: a proposal for a photo book. So we wrote one up.

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Speaker 1: We set it to a couple of book publishers and

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Speaker 1: we right away we got back, you know, right away

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Speaker 1: that black Dog Hachette was interested and talked to them.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to do the photo book. But then they

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Speaker 1: started talking to me about, Hey, we used to feel

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Speaker 1: like writing a little and I was That was of

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Speaker 1: course overwhelming to me. Once again, I'm not a writer.

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Speaker 1: I don't write books. But when we started putting all

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Speaker 1: these photographs together, it's, um, it became very easy to

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Speaker 1: write about what was happening that time. It was very fluid,

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Speaker 1: very very easy because when I look at these photographs,

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Speaker 1: I remember everything that was going on, and you know

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Speaker 1: what I didn't remember, like maybe perhaps dates and where

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Speaker 1: I may have been. I keep a daily planner that

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Speaker 1: I've had. I've had daily planners since seventy nine, so

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Speaker 1: I referred back to them for dates and places, and

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Speaker 1: it was invaluable. I mean, I had everything written down

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Speaker 1: so I could refer to that, and I just and

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Speaker 1: then I have all the September I had, buttons and posters,

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Speaker 1: you know, you name it, I've got it. I just

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Speaker 1: all this stuff means something to me. I'm I'm a

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Speaker 1: very sentimental person. I like I keep cards and letters

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Speaker 1: and things from people that I love. And you know,

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Speaker 1: this is a part of my history and a part

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Speaker 1: of my life, and I wanted to keep it, you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: And so I have it all my possession. Finally found

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Speaker 1: the right person, help we put it together, and boom

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Speaker 1: it happened. Okay, can you make any money with a

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Speaker 1: coffee table? Book? Ers? Just a labor of love for

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Speaker 1: you and the fans. It is a labor of love.

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm gonna want up spending more money than

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Speaker 1: I make on this whole this whole endeavor. Um, But

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Speaker 1: you know what this, I know it's a pichete, but

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Speaker 1: it really has been a labor of love. Uh. Going

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Speaker 1: through all of these photos, it just made me so grateful,

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Speaker 1: so happy that that this has been my life and

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Speaker 1: I've captured it and the girls in the band with photographs,

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Speaker 1: and now I can share these photographs with our fans.

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Speaker 1: The general public. You get to see what I was

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Speaker 1: seeing a band member, someone in the band, you know. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then when I started writing about this, I feel

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Speaker 1: like anybody that picks this book up and starts to

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Speaker 1: gonna want to read the whole thing because it's honest

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Speaker 1: and it's true. It's ask anybody. I'm a pretty upfront person,

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Speaker 1: no bullshit with me, so and I write that way

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Speaker 1: and these are my words and these are my photos,

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Speaker 1: and um, I'm really proud of agree with you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and first I'm looking through the pictures, but you get

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Speaker 1: intrigued in the story. It's anything but a burden. You

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Speaker 1: cover the major points you could even want to know more. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the ephemer and the photos. Bill Wyman

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Speaker 1: of the Stones famously kept one of everything. The irony

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Speaker 1: Bill by the way, I had the Bill Wyman book,

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Speaker 1: had framed that I have it in my office. That

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Speaker 1: Um And you know what, I guess the other thing

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Speaker 1: me forty years to get this together. So it's all

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Speaker 1: One is all access to the Rolling Stones. That is

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Speaker 1: really cool. He got it. Yeah, of course it is.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I keep all my lambin It's stupid.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know there's I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 1: In my home, I have everything in its place. I'm

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Speaker 1: still have all the labments. I keep them from every

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Speaker 1: you talked about going to l A. Where is all

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Speaker 1: in storage? It's in my house. Where is your house?

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Speaker 1: I don't need the address, but the generally I live

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Speaker 1: clean it up, You do your emails every day? You

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Speaker 1: Do you have a significant other? Um? Well, yeah, I'd

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Speaker 1: Wendell took care of my father for the last three

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Speaker 1: lives up to the legend. And we've crossed pans a

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00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: couple of times. And I think Jane met him at once.

427
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't know where it was she met him, and

428
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: he said that he called us like rock goddesses or

429
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: rock icons or something, and Jane Coke came back and said,

430
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe with Stephen. Stephen Tyler said about us,

431
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: We're like U Steven Tyler. Yeah, Oh my god, are

432
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: you kidding? I love Aerosmith so much. I love that band.

433
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: Name the two best experiences of meeting famous musicians? Well,

434
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: David Bowie. So you met Bowie? What were the circumstances?

435
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: Did you have a conversation? All right? So I've met

436
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: him a couple of times, but the first time I

437
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: met him it was actually the most the best of

438
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: all the times was the first time because I got

439
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: to really hang out with him and spend time talking

440
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: with him, even though I was scared, shipless, I could

441
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: barely speak, but it was We had done a show

442
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: at where the hell in Sam in New York City.

443
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we had a record deal yet,

444
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: but we did a show at when Dell what's the

445
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: name of that venue? He looked it up the other day.

446
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of it in New York City, God,

447
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: damn it not whatever. I'll come back to that. But

448
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: at our show was John Lennon. Where was the Where

449
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: was the venue that we played at? When I said

450
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: John Lennon was at? Was there? And oh the Ritz

451
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: you remember the Rits Okay, so we were playing there.

452
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: So it was John Lennon, Yoko Ono um um um,

453
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: David Bowie, all the dudes from Manus, all the guys

454
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 1: from Manus because we had just finished playing with them

455
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: in England, and the who else, Pete Townsend. They were

456
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: at our show and after the show they came back.

457
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: In the night, they came back and we've met them

458
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: in the VI I P Room at the reds Now.

459
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: Unfortunately John and Yoko had left it during the encore

460
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: and it was but only a couple of months later

461
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: when he was murdered. Um, so you know that was horrible,

462
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: that whole thing. But I didn't get to meet him,

463
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: but did get to hang out with David and his

464
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: assistant Coco, who was seen to be with him. At

465
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: all times. Um, and there was a lot going on.

466
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: We were all for taking in various uh substances. Uh.

467
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: It was fun, it was great. It was perfect for

468
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: the time. He was such a gentleman, very conversational, and

469
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: he was super cool. He was He was everything I

470
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: had hoped he would be. This is really super cool guy,

471
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: very approachable. He wasn't a dick. It was a nice guy.

472
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: And Pete, God Blessing. Pete was was kind of out

473
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: of it. He was draped on two He had a

474
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: woman on under under each arm sort of holding him up,

475
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: walking him around. I think he hadn't had a little

476
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: too much that evening. And the guys from man is

477
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: raw about saying hi to everybody because we just finished

478
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: toward with them, and uh my, the bass player, Mark

479
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: Bedford was my boyfriend at the time, so it was

480
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: all great playing the drums and all of a sudden

481
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: seeing John lynnon I mean my body spikes. Would you

482
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: tell the story? Hey? Hey, I mean I couldn't see

483
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: him or anything when I was playing, But to know

484
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: that he actually came to a go go show and

485
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: saw us play, you know, that's a big one in

486
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: my book. That's a big one. Okay, so meeting David

487
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: Bowie was great. One other rock star great experience, oh well,

488
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: meeting the Rolling Stones meaning Stones when we opened for them,

489
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 1: and getting to spend a little time with Charlie Watts

490
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: and Bill Wyman. Although Charlie was my hero growing up,

491
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If it wasn't for Charlie

492
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: wattson John Bottom, I don't know if I would continue

493
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: playing drums um They were I mean, I idolized them.

494
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: And when I met him, it was another one of

495
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: those moments where I, you know, could hardly speak, but

496
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: I did because I had to, had to say something.

497
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: And once again I don't know if it's just being

498
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: English or what the deal is, but he was such

499
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: a gentleman, very very quiet and soft spoken, perfect gentleman.

500
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: Do you remember what you spoke about? Hell now, No

501
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: I don't, No, I don't, but it doesn't matter. Uh.

502
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: I was in his presence and I actually got to

503
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: sit on his drum kit and full around with his

504
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: drums at sound check, which was a big thrill for me.

505
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: And I've said this story many times, but that's when

506
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: his drum text said to me Gina that that that

507
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: rug that his drums any one. The drums are pittings

508
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: compared to what that rug cost. And in fact, that

509
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: was so that was so very Charlie Watts, wasn't it. Yeah, yeah,

510
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: of course it was. Okay, let's go back to Baltimore.

511
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: How many generations was your family in Baltimore? Oh, Christ,

512
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't know really. I uh well, let's see my

513
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: mom's sided the family. My grandfather Mitchell Muskawsky, Mitch Mskowski,

514
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: he was. He came over when he was a boy

515
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: on a boat, cabin boy or where the leased to

516
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: call him, and he he came over to the support.

517
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: Baltimore is where he got off, and you know, grew, grew,

518
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: became a man and met my grandmother, Jane Hill. Her

519
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: family was from Ireland, um, and that's who I'm named after,

520
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: Regina Hill Um. And my father's side of the family,

521
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: uh uh, the Shocks were all German. And I actually

522
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: found out that my father's aunts and uncles were in

523
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: the vaudeville circuit um and so there was a little

524
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: bit of that show biz h in my blood. Maybe, Okay.

525
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: I always thought when you broke the shock was a

526
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: made up name. So that is the family German it's

527
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: german Man and it was it was shocked when it

528
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: was in Germany. It wasn't changed in America. You don't know,

529
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: do you know what? I'm not positive, but it's something

530
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: I want to look up. I think that our name

531
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: was shook sc h O O K and it got

532
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: changed the STO c K. I think it was shook.

533
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: But you know what, now that you remind me of that,

534
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: I want to look up. And I don't know why

535
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: I think that, but there must have been something that

536
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: I found, uh that leads me in that direction. Okay,

537
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: how did your parents meet? Oh? Well they were. My

538
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: mom went to Catholic school twelve years, as did I.

539
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: I did my brother. Um. My mom and dad met

540
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: when she was in high school and they were high

541
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: school sweethearts. When she graduated high school, Uh, she was

542
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: eighteen and married my father, who was twenty one. And

543
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: my father was the first sweetheart she ever had. She

544
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: had never had a boyfriend. She met my father and

545
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: that was that and they lived the next seventy two

546
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: years together in marital bliss. They were the most beautiful

547
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: couple you'd ever want to me because they were so

548
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: in love. I mean, that doesn't happen often. But I'm

549
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: going to tell you what minds. Like the storybook thing, Like,

550
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: my parents were crazy about each other, and they were

551
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: both really good looking, and they loved to dance, and

552
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: they loved to get dressed up and like to go

553
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: to New York and shake it up. You know, they

554
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: were really happening. So what did they do for a living? Um,

555
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: my father worked on the waterfront. It was a steved

556
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: or or alongshore or whatever, you know on the waterfront.

557
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: When you don't watch that film, that's my father, Marlon Brando,

558
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: that's my father. Because my dad was offered a lot

559
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: of money to go to New York and work take

560
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: care of you know, work on the docks up there,

561
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't do it because we all know it's

562
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: run by the mafia. All that was and uh so

563
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: it's not run by the mafia in Baltimore. Uh, not

564
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: so much. It wasn't at the time, not so much.

565
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: New York was boom. That was it. You were in

566
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: when you went to New York and you can't get

567
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: out once you get in. We all know that. So,

568
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: um no, Dad said no to this huge opportunity, this

569
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: opportunity to make a hell of a lot more money.

570
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: And I remember that it was a big deal about

571
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: moving to New York and he finally said no, he

572
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: wasn't going to do it. Stayed in Baltimore. He was

573
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: the you know, he became the head of the pier

574
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: one um um and treated everybody the way they're supposed

575
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: to be treated. Because there were some folks that worked

576
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: doc workers that signed an X on their paycheck. Okay, um,

577
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: and my father treated everyone the same. Um. And my mom,

578
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: she was a model and then a beautician and then

579
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: a homemaker, and then she decided she wanted to uh

580
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: hang out with my dad a little bit more. So.

581
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: My father least some property right next to the pure

582
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: One where he worked on Clinton Street in Baltimore, which

583
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: I got a story about. I don't tell you about

584
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: the wire about the building that he built. He was

585
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: a builder. He could build anything anyway. Um. He least

586
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: this property and he built a little carryaut shop so

587
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: that my mother could work there. And he was right

588
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: next door. And you know, I worked there during the

589
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: summer and the hour from from six am to three pm.

590
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: And that's what I would do every summer. And my

591
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: mom did that for many years. And then she step

592
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: four with that, and so we sold that business, and

593
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: then Mom became just a homemaker. You know, she was

594
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: very good. Her cooking was really good. And Okay, So

595
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: what kind of neighborhood you grow up in? Very blue collar,

596
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: middle class neighborhood, Dundocum. Everyone knew each other. Uh, we

597
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: left our doors open at night. Uh. We'd sometimes sleep

598
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: on the front porch when it was too hot before

599
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: we could afford air conditioning. Um. And it was I

600
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: really had an idyllic childhood. I really, I really have

601
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: to say that. It was all kind of beautiful. And

602
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: what kind of kid were you? Shy? The group was

603
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: a rotten kid. My mother said she loved rotten kids.

604
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: I was bad, not really bad, but I was rambunctious,

605
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: you could say whatever. I I was always okay. I

606
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: grew up from a tomboy, grew up with I didn't

607
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: have any girls in the neighbor hood. It was all guys.

608
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: So I grew up riding bicycles with them, you know

609
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: what I mean, and running around and busting windows out,

610
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: and you know, I had a little dirt bike all

611
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. You know, I didn't think there

612
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: were no girls you know, until in high school that

613
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: I got to have other girlfriends, you know, but man,

614
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: it was a wonderful childhood. And uh you know, my my,

615
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: my dad's mom lived with us for many years and

616
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: it was all good. It was always and it was

617
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: our house was sort of the main base on the

618
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: street because my father used to love to take all

619
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: the kids on hay rides and you bring them down

620
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: our shore home and you know there were something else.

621
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: Let me tell you about they were really something else. Um, okay,

622
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: so you had a vacation home on the shore. Yeah,

623
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: that was chest be Baby. My mom and dad had

624
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: to borrow a thousand dollars from uh my my father's sister,

625
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: and they bought property on the chest Peak Bag and

626
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: my father built the home, the shore home down there

627
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: with a couple of buddies from work. He'd work on

628
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: the weekends and built this home that is still there,

629
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: that is gorgeous on a beautiful piece of property, um,

630
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: right on the water. And uh so we'd spend a

631
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: lot of time there every summer um fishing and crabbing,

632
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: and they would have their friends down. They'd be drinking

633
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: gin and tonic and the kids would be running around

634
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: you can have a little sip of that, and oh man,

635
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: it was just wonderful, you know. And he he had

636
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: a Super eight camera that he would take. He would

637
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: take pictures on them because he and Mom would go

638
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: to New York a lot and they were on the

639
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: prices right and Mom want to make a maxstol and

640
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: he won a super eight camera. So that's when he

641
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: started taking super rate videos. I had all that film, Uh,

642
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: put it on the DVD, so I had that. I

643
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: have all those super rates. Okay, so your brother is older.

644
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: What was he like growing up? Oh my god, Well,

645
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: my brother's seven years older than I am, so he

646
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: was protective of me. It was my brother and my

647
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: cousins that lived across the street, Henry Dennis, and I

648
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: ran with them. Well, they hadn't sort of take me.

649
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: My brother had to sort of watch out for me.

650
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: Um and I just ran around with them and he

651
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: was good. And then then came a time when you know,

652
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: he was like nineteen or twenty and he was out

653
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: the door all the time. So I was just sort

654
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: of left my own devices, which was sitting in my

655
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: bedroom putting headphones on and playing with every song that

656
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: I loved. Um, I was just immersed in music. Well,

657
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: what what would happened in the next fifty years for

658
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: your brother? What's he been up to? My brother, he

659
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: got he went to college. My parents were disappointed I

660
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: didn't go to college, but I made that all right,

661
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: so they were happy with the ending story here. But yeah,

662
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: my brother is a pretty bright guy. UM. He wanted

663
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: to be a professor. UM, and he did work out

664
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: that way. He spent a lot of time traveling, and

665
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: then he worked on the waterfront. Excuse me with my father,

666
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: and you make a lot of money working on the waterfront.

667
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: And my brother worked there for like ten years and

668
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: made it, made a ton of money, and bought a

669
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: bunch of apartment buildings. UM in a neighborhood uh in

670
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: Holland Town in Baltimore was right over Patterson Park, which

671
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: is this huge, big, beautiful park. I bought a bunch

672
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: of buildings that were facing the park. And at the

673
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: time it was kind of ghettot but it changed over

674
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: the years, UM, and it butted right up against the

675
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: neighborhood called Fell's Point, which is kind of famous. You

676
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: may have harder Fells Point in Baltimore. UM. So John

677
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: has his apartment buildings and that's they're all paid off

678
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: and he's living the life. You know, he travels and

679
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: does whatever he likes and he's good. My brother is good.

680
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: He I didn't get along that great, but it's okay.

681
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: Did he get married, did he have kids? No? No,

682
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: neither one of us are married. It's like, you know

683
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: what Bob, I think about I don't know why, because

684
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: I think the institution of marriage is kind of great,

685
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. It never worked out for me that way.

686
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: And my brother, I guess he's the same. I don't know.

687
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: I kind of think maybe it had a lot to

688
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: do with growing up seeing the perfect marriage. There's nothing

689
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: that you could ever you could never compete with that.

690
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, you tend to, you know,

691
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: when you're in a relationship, you tend to say, oh,

692
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: is he liked my father and she liked my mother? Whatever?

693
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: You do those things. I don't know why. You just

694
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: do and UH be tugh to to live up to

695
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: the expectations that you have, of of of of some

696
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: of of what you would think you would want your other,

697
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: your significant other to be like. When you watch the

698
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: perfect love affair happened, your entire life. And did your

699
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: parents ever lament that they didn't have grandkids? Yeah, my mom,

700
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: And I said, Mom, listen, if I had grandkids, I'd

701
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: never be able to hang out with you as much

702
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: as I do. He wouldn't be able to do all

703
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: these It's true, we wouldn't be able to do all

704
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: these fantastic things that we do together. I bring my

705
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: mother on tour, on tour with us. She'd be on

706
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: the tour bus with the girls and and they all

707
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: loved her, you know. And my parents they were there

708
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: for everything. They were in a lot of shows. The

709
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: band knew my parents very very well and loved them. Okay,

710
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: being as Steven Doore, that's a as you mentioned, lucrative

711
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: because because it's so physical, h did did have an

712
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: attrition to it. You know, we're father and brother and

713
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: their body somewhat beat up because they did. My dad's

714
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: body was beat up. Um. Yeah, he had terrible authoritis. Um.

715
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: But my father was like a little bull man. He

716
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: was strong as a horse. He loved work. He loved

717
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: to work. Okay, I mean they had to pay him

718
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: to get him to quit the job, to quit being

719
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: a Steven Doore, you know, they had to offer him

720
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: a lot of money to stop working so they could

721
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: bring younger dude and to do what he does. My

722
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: dad loved to work. He didn't like to sitting still.

723
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: He was always building something. He was always doing something.

724
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: And I tend to be more like my father because

725
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: I like to stay busy. I like to Sitting around

726
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: for me is like death. It's like sucks, man. I

727
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: like to be busy all the time. Okay, so what

728
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: were your first exposures to music? Oh? Well, you know,

729
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: my parents were always playing music and they loved the dance,

730
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: which used to embarrass the hell out of my brother

731
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: and I they started dancing, we were so embarrassed. Um.

732
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: But they listened to a lot of big band music.

733
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: I grew up with big band stuff. They loved count Bastie,

734
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: Cat Callaway, all these who you know, everybody, Benny Goodman,

735
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, anybody was playing big band stuff. They were

736
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: always playing and dancing too, which was hard to take,

737
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was that house was full of music

738
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: all the time. And how did you get into popular

739
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: music as opposed to the big band Because I still

740
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: love big band stuff. That's kind of some of my

741
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: favorite genre of music. Uh that Uh, I just it

742
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: was I was drawn to it. I don't know, man,

743
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: I When I was a kid, Uh, you know, I

744
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: had that little transistor radio, you know, am stuck to

745
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: my ear waiting to hear my favorite songs of the day,

746
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: you know. Um. And then I called into the radio

747
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: station and request something that I wanted to hear and wait,

748
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: you know, seven hours to hear at two o'clock in

749
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: the morning. Um. You know. I had that transistor radio

750
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: under the covers, um. Um. You know. And as I

751
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: got a little bit older, I just I started to

752
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: want to go. After my brother took me to my

753
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: first concert, which was led Zeppelin opening for the Who,

754
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: and then it was NonStop. That was an addiction that

755
00:41:52,760 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: never ended. Many people have a transitional moment where they

756
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: really get the bug. Was it the Beatles? Was it

757
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: something you heard on the radio? What made you go

758
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: all in? You remember, yeah, seeing led Zeppelin opening for

759
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: the Who in nine nine Mary with the post pavilion. Yeah,

760
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: but you were listening to you were listening to the

761
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: radio before that. What got you started doing that? I

762
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: don't know, it just it spoke to me. It was

763
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: something that that I felt that was important. To me.

764
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know why do you love doing

765
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: what you do? It just it speaks to you. It

766
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: touches you in a way that other things don't. I

767
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 1: knew as a kid that I wanted to be involved

768
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: in music. I didn't know what part I would play,

769
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: but I, like I said, it spoke to me, It

770
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: touched me, It was important in my life. Okay, so

771
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: tell me how you ended up going to that led

772
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: Zeppelin who gig. My brother had the babysit may and

773
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: so he took me and I just remember, you know what,

774
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: see led Zeppelin. That was our first tour of the States,

775
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: and that was mind blowing. But then to see the

776
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: who come out and play and then destroy their instruments

777
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: at the end of the show. I mean, I'm a kid,

778
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm eleven years old or eleven or twelve, and I

779
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: that blew my mind. I was like, I want to

780
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: be on that stage. I don't care what I'm doing,

781
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,479
Speaker 1: if I'm singing or playing the dramas or playing bass,

782
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: whatever it is, I want to be up on that stage.

783
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: This is what I want to do. I never thought

784
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: about gender. That didn't I didn't even think about that

785
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: for a second, Oh I'm a girl. That never occurred

786
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: to me. It was like, I want to do what

787
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: they do. I love this, this is what I want

788
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: to do. So you went home. What was your first step?

789
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: Did you buy the Zeppelin album? Do you get an instrument? No?

790
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: I uh. First think for me was I got a

791
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: base a bass guitar because I thought, oh, it's only

792
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: four strings, that will be easy. And it didn't. It wasn't.

793
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't crazy about it. So I bought a guitar,

794
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: took a couple of lessons, and that was too slow.

795
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: I could like listen to the things bob and figure

796
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: out how to play it. You know. I think I

797
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: have an ear. That was a gift, I think. And

798
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: then I thought, well, I'll try drums. So I saved

799
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: up all my allowance money and I bought a drum

800
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: set and what kind of drum set, what brand? And

801
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: that they were leto supremes. And I bought him at

802
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: Old Man Petro and his his music store up on

803
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: Eastern Avenue. To ride my bicycle up there. And you

804
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: remember how much you paid? I don't, but I bet

805
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: you I have. I think I had those receipts around here, somewhere.

806
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: I didn't save it. I had that. I'm not kidding you,

807
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: I do have that bob um. I got those drums

808
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: and put my head phone and I had the drums

809
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: set up in my bedroom and I started playing. And

810
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: I knew right away that this was going to be

811
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: the instrument that I would choose to to spend my

812
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: time trying to get good at it, you know, be

813
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: better at And because it felt really easy, it felt

814
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: like I didn't have to think about it. Uh, it

815
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: felt it felt easy. And you know, when you're eleven

816
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: or twelve years thirteen years old, you don't want to

817
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: you don't have time to mess around with stuff. You

818
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: just want to go out and do it. And so

819
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: playing drugs, I didn't have to think. I just put

820
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: headphones one and it came very naturally to me. So

821
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: you never took a lesson, never took a lesson. Okay,

822
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: so you're playing at home. Then how do you get

823
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: in a band? Oh? Well, first of all, there weren't

824
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: a lot of girls playing drums during that early seventies,

825
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: late sixties, early seven, so that it was easy to

826
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: get in bands. And I'll tell you what I was.

827
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: I remember being in a couple of bands and these

828
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: and the guys it was always guys, um. You know,

829
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: they were in their twenties and they would have to

830
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: sneak me in the backtor because I was under age, um,

831
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: and they were all doing we're doing covers, you know, um.

832
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: And that went on for several years, and then I

833
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: got into a band and these were guys in my

834
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: neighborhood called we and our band was called Scratch and Sniff,

835
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: and we were Baltimore's first punk new wave band and

836
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: it was great. I learned a lot from George and Charles.

837
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: They were really based on guitar player, really good musicians,

838
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: and it opened up my world to like Brian Eno

839
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: and Roxy music, and you know, I started listening to

840
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: more than just Aero Smith or Leonard Skinner or the

841
00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: Stems or the Beetles all of that. Um. And yeah,

842
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: it was pretty incredible. We would do we played four

843
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 1: sets a night. We do two sets of original songs

844
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: and two sets of covers. That was a big deal

845
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: and we got We did a couple of shows at

846
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: the Marble Bar, which was the premier punk club to

847
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: play in in Baltimore because like bands would come in

848
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: like the ramoons or talking heads. They play at the

849
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: Marble Bar. So that was a big deal. And were

850
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: you getting paid? Yeah, but who remembers what that was.

851
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: It didn't I didn't care what if we were making

852
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: any money. It was just to be able to do

853
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: My question is if you got paid, what did you

854
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: do with What did you do with the money. I

855
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: probably bought clothes. I don't really remember, but I would

856
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: imagine that. You know, I probably bought some really cool

857
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: bell bottoms or something. I don't know. Yeah, I probably

858
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: brought clothes. Okay. So and what was your experience with

859
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: Catholic school? Now you're in high school, you're in a

860
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: how's that going? Yeah? I got suspended, you know, um,

861
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: but it was you know, I was just used that

862
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: the nuns used to scare the ship out of me.

863
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean they were they were tough, and I guarantee

864
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: a man, I did my homework every night. It was

865
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: kind of a drag because everybody in the neighborhood when

866
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: they get home from school, you know, they were out

867
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: playing and having fun. But I'd be in there doing

868
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: my homework because I was afraid of those nuns coming

869
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 1: into school the next day and getting smacked in the facer,

870
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: having my hands mashed with a pointer. You know, I

871
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: mean they were rough, they were tough. But I'll tell

872
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: you what, Um, they're part of the reason why I

873
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: had the work ethic that I do. Uh. You know,

874
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: it's like if I you know, if you're gonna, I

875
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: feel like you're gonna do something, do it right. Don't

876
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: mess around with the half fast situation here? Why bother? Um?

877
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: And you know, so it was it was part. It

878
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: all worked out well in the end. Although I must

879
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: say that I would like to send by psychiatrists bill

880
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: to the Catholic Church because they did screw me up

881
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: in many ways, Like they filled me with guilt. I

882
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: was always I'm still guilty about everything. I don't know,

883
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. So that was gonna be my next question.

884
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: So you go to the therapist, Yeah as an adult,

885
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: I know. So how long have you gone? How frequently?

886
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: When did you start? Oh, I've been doing it for

887
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: many many years. I haven't. I haven't done it for

888
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: a while though. I go not that frequently. But I did,

889
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: like in the nineties, go a lot because you know,

890
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: I had to deal with like the guilt of making

891
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: it and you know, oh my god, what people think

892
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: and all you know, it's there's a there's a Catholic

893
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: guilt and it's a real thing. It's it's real, um

894
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: and it definitely definitely got me. How does it affect

895
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: you today? If it all, it still does affect me. Honestly,

896
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not worthy of things. You know,

897
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's like I put the time and I

898
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: do all the right things, but then I feel like, oh,

899
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, you're not really worthy. You know there's people

900
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: that deserve that more than you do. Then I then

901
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: I draw strength from what the way my parents raised me,

902
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: that we're sort of kick ass and yes you can

903
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: do anything. This crazy dichotomy, you know what I mean.

904
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: But and they set meid to Cathoit school. So, uh,

905
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, are you still a believer? Do

906
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: you still go to church? No? I don't go to church.

907
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: I might go a couple of times a year or something.

908
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: But when I walk into a church, I feel, uh

909
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: it's a good place that's to meditate or something. I

910
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: you know, I choose to believe what I believe. I Uh,

911
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a spiritual person, but organized religion

912
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: is a little disturbing to me. Um, I don't know.

913
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm sort of mixed up about it all, to be

914
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: honest with you. Uh okay, So why did you get

915
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: suspended in high school? Oh? Jesus because the disciplinarian nune doctor.

916
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: Her her name was John Helene. How do you like that?

917
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: I just I don't believe I remembered her name, John Helene.

918
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: She was such a bit um. She didn't like me

919
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: because I was. I spent half my time trying to

920
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: figure out how to get how to get into trouble

921
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: without getting caught, and she knew that, and she she's

922
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: I was. I was suspended for having a bad attitude.

923
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: There was nothing that I actually did that she caught

924
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: me at. And actually my mother and father went up

925
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: there and we're like, what do you mean a bad attitude?

926
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: What is what does that mean? You know? It's crazy.

927
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: Catholic school was sucking nuts. I gotta say, so did

928
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: you gra? Did you graduate? Yeah? I did, Yeah, of

929
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: course I did. And he fought of going to college

930
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: or like, I'm done? What was going through your head? No?

931
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: I mean I you know, I couldn't wait to finish

932
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: school so I could just starting playing in clubs and stinky,

933
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: dirty clubs. All I want to do was be, you know,

934
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: a musician, be a drummer, and and and and work

935
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: and make some money, and you know, try to find

936
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: a band that I fit in that really spoke to me.

937
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: And you know, Scratch and Sniff was a band that

938
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: that I love those guys and I loved where we

939
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: were going. Um, But after I'm gonna get ahead of

940
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: myself because after that, I got the opportunity to work

941
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: with Eat the egg Lady from John Waters film Let's

942
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: Let's wait. I want to get into that. Let's go back.

943
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: One thing you put in your book is you basically

944
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: went to see everybody. Tell me about your tell me

945
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: about your concert going experience, where you got the money

946
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: for tickets, Who was good, who was bad? Well, let

947
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: me tell you something. I had albums full of photographs

948
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: with my instematic camera from all the continents I went to.

949
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: And I learned that, okay, they played, if they played,

950
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: the bottom were Civic Center, the hotel they were going

951
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: to stay and was gonna be the holiday and which

952
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: was right next door. So I was like, okay, how

953
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: am I going to meet these people? I got to

954
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: meet him. You know, I need to learn from them, right.

955
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,959
Speaker 1: I'd see him on stage, I was just knocked out.

956
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: So I would go across the street and try to

957
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: get their autographs and take a photo with them. And

958
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 1: I figured out that the way to get to meet

959
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: them was you go up the service elevator and you

960
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: go on the floor. You get on the phone, and

961
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: you asked to be You asked to be connected to

962
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: either the bass player of the drummer, because they were

963
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,959
Speaker 1: usually the guys in the band that gave their real name.

964
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: They didn't have an alias, and so I would ask

965
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: for them and i'd get the room. I get like

966
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: a four digit number. The last three digit was the

967
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: room number. So I would go and I'd have somebody

968
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: with me, you know, a friend, and we'd rap on

969
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: the door. I'd say, can I take a photograph? Can

970
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: I take a picture with you? And they always said yes.

971
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: But I remember, like Paul Rodgers um for Bad Company,

972
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: I have a photograph of him where he's putting his

973
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: arm up because he didn't want his picture taken, but

974
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: I took it anyway. And like I had pictures of

975
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: Ted Nugent and Aery Smith and at Rod Stewart, and yes,

976
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: and you name it. I was taking I was taking pictures,

977
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: and I was meeting these people and saying, I want

978
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: to do that, the guys in Jay Giles band, I

979
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: mean I it was all I lived for, Bob. I'm

980
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: getting excited just talking about where did you get the

981
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: money for the tickets? Save up my allowance? Dishes, doing dishes,

982
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: cleaning the house every weekend, cut the grass, taking the

983
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: garbage out, doing anything I could to make the money

984
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: to buy those tickets. So tell me the eat story,

985
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: the eating stories. So when I moved out of my

986
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: house at the age of twenty, I moved into Fell's Point,

987
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: which was sort of the Hit area, and eat at

988
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: a store on we called Edith's Shopping Bag. And I

989
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: would go in and visit her all the time, you know,

990
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: And she'd be sitting at a cash register with her

991
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: like hand, her servant, lady Jeannie, who looked like a

992
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: crazy old witch, but she waited on eady hand and foot.

993
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: It was a strange thing, but kind of great. Only Baltimore,

994
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: it's such. It was all John Waters film, the whole thing. Man,

995
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: It's incredible. Anyway, I'd go in there and I talked

996
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: to her be facing Oh Ganea, hell are you what

997
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: are you doing? And I gotta punk band I want

998
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: to put together. Are you you know if you want

999
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: to get in they I was like, yes, I want

1000
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: to get in this band. We're gonna get to New York,

1001
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: LA and San Francisco, of course. So we put together

1002
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: this band, myself and two other girls and with Evie.

1003
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: We rehearsed a couple of times, put a couple of

1004
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: songs together. I even remember they were. It was all

1005
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: slapped together quickly. It was just the thought of getting

1006
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: to play at cebe GEB's Max's Kansas City, and then

1007
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: getting the first time I ever flew on a plane, okay,

1008
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: find across the country to play in Los Angeles and

1009
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: l a Hollywood whoo um, three nights, three shows, one

1010
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: night at the Neward Theater, and then up to San

1011
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: Francisco to play at the Newer at the Sorry the

1012
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: Warfield Theater. This was like a dream come true, and

1013
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: I could thank Eadie for that, which ultimately goes down

1014
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 1: to thanking John Waters, you know, for for discovering Eadie,

1015
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: who was just the sweet, old, kindly lady that loved

1016
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: all the attention she was a doll, you know. Um,

1017
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: So we did the Eating of the eighth shows. That

1018
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: was fantastic. Uh. You know, I couldn't believe all that

1019
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: I was experiencing. And the punk scene was thriving great.

1020
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: And came back to Baltimore and I was I knew

1021
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: that it was time to make a decision and I

1022
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: had to leave. I had to go. Uh after experiencing that,

1023
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: there was no turning back. Um Ok, I saved up

1024
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: money for like a year, and then I asked my

1025
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: friend Babs from high school, you want to go to

1026
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: l A. And she was like yeah. So we got

1027
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: my dad's pickup truck everything I own and and flew

1028
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: across I mean, and drove across country. And at that

1029
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: point I still had like an instematic camera that I

1030
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: was taking photographs with. UM drove across country and in

1031
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: search of a band. I didn't know who it would be,

1032
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: where I knew it was going to be in l A.

1033
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: Um that was the easiest place. The cost of living

1034
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: was easier in l A than in San Francisco to

1035
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: New York. And yeah, so that was it. We we

1036
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: we started our journey across country and I was taking

1037
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: taking pictures all the time. Okay, you land. What's the

1038
00:57:53,040 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: journey from there to getting into Go Goes. Well, I

1039
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: was staying with a guy named Steve Martin, not the

1040
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: Steve Martin UM. He's a filmmaker. And Steve and his brother,

1041
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: Doug Martin, they're identical redheaded twins. Um had done the show,

1042
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: produced the shows at the newer So I stayed with

1043
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: Steve and he was taking me around to all the

1044
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: clubs and I got into bands right away. I put

1045
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: my name up at all the stores, you know, the

1046
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: music stores and um so and Steve started taking me

1047
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: around to different different venues to see bands. And he said,

1048
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: there's this band, the Go Ghost Genia. You need to

1049
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: see them. You need to get the band kicked the

1050
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: drum round, you need to be the drummer and then

1051
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna be You're gonna be big stars.

1052
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, Steve. So he took me

1053
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: to Club eighty eight to see the Go Those play

1054
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: and it was fantastic. I they were having such a

1055
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: great time on stage. It was like such a joyful experience.

1056
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: It was like I, because I was so seri sarious

1057
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: about music, everything had to be perfect. I was way

1058
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: too serious and they injected this this whole fun thing

1059
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: which I never thought about. Oh, this can be fun

1060
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: as well. They were having the best time on stage.

1061
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: They were making mistakes, it didn't matter um and people

1062
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: were loving it. Mistakes and all, you know. And and

1063
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: I also heard something in the songs that they were

1064
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: playing that I felt I had value. And I just

1065
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: was like, I told Steve verywait, yeah, I want to

1066
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: get in this band. So his brother Doug was having

1067
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: a party that weekend and his place down in Santa Monica,

1068
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: and he invited the girls and whoever else was in

1069
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: the scene at that time, the punk scene, and they

1070
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: were there and I met I think I met Belinda,

1071
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: Margot and Jane and they were said they were looking

1072
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: for a drummer. Uh, and I said, well, I'm looking

1073
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: to join the band. And I invited them over to

1074
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: Steve's house that weekend. They were the following weekend, and uh,

1075
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: Steve was so good to me. He allowed me when

1076
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: I dream across the country. I had all my vinyl,

1077
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: I had a p A system and that drop all

1078
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: my clothes, everything I owned. I had a p A

1079
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: set up in his living room in the house on

1080
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: Beverly Glenn and I brought amps with me as well,

1081
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: So the girls came in. We started playing, and a

1082
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: couple of songs later, I knew that this was going

1083
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: to be the right, the right fit for for all

1084
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: of us. And and it was and everything changed. It

1085
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: all changed after that. Who was the who was the

1086
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: drummer before you? How did they get rid of that drummer? Um?

1087
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: They got rid of a Lisa. I don't know. I

1088
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: don't as I was told. I don't think she was

1089
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: like really into playing drums. I think it was just

1090
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: the fun thing she was doing. Not that they were

1091
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: that serious side of um. They just want to hang

1092
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: out with their friends and have fun. But I don't

1093
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: know whatever the problems were. But I was more than

1094
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: happy to step in because when I stepped in, they

1095
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: thought I was like a big shop because I could

1096
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: actually play, you know what I mean. I was like

1097
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: really serious, and I was like, you know, guys, we

1098
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: need to rehearse, you know, every night after work. They

1099
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: were used to rehearsing a couple of times a month,

1100
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: and I had come for this background where you know,

1101
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: you rehearsed after work every day, like four or five

1102
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: nights a week. You gotta you gotta play to get better.

1103
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen unless you spend the time and

1104
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: put in the work to make yourself better at your

1105
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: instrument or at your songwriting, whatever it maybe, or you're singing,

1106
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: whatever it is. You gotta put the time in. And

1107
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: they went right along with it. They were happy. They

1108
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: were happy to uh to change their ways about that.

1109
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: They were they were willing to put the time in

1110
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: because I think everybody kind of knew that we were

1111
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: something different, something special, and if we if we put

1112
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: the time in, it was gonna it was gonna happen

1113
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: for us. Okay, this was at the tail end of

1114
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: a huge scene in Los Angeles. All the you know,

1115
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: the only ones who really broke through were the Knack,

1116
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: but a million bands were sign right Motels. They made it,

1117
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: they actually got a deal with they were But it

1118
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: will happen even a little later though. But in any

1119
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: of that, you know, got all those bands. I have

1120
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: those records, like Danny Wilde had his band and God

1121
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: and then there was the other band on Arastuty. You know,

1122
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: you know all those things, such a scene. But you're

1123
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: playing gigs. What's going through your mind in terms of

1124
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: the next step forward. Obviously people knew who the Go

1125
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: Goes were, but you weren't getting signed and it wasn't happening. Yeah,

1126
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: it was um, you know, I guess some of the

1127
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: labels wanted to take a take a chance on this

1128
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: old girl band because there had never been an all

1129
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: uh female band that had been hugely successful. And we

1130
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: all know how record labels are. They want to they

1131
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: find a formula that works and then they stick to it,

1132
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, um, because they figured, you know, they're gonna

1133
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: make plenty of money. It's all about making that's the

1134
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: bottom line. Are they going to make money. We came

1135
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: into the picture and we were sort of like it

1136
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: or not. We're here, We're not going anywhere. Look at

1137
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: the crowds that are coming to our shows. You can't

1138
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: deny that we're getting We're getting bigger and bigger. You know,

1139
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: the line is now around the block. It's got to

1140
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: start like registering that this something's going on here. And

1141
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, it did finally, but only with I R.

1142
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: S Records, who was sort of as indie label that

1143
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: was distributed through A and M, which was fantastic UM

1144
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: and John Cornaria is a guy that worked at I R. S.

1145
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: Who who came to see us play, and then he

1146
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: told Mill Scope and You've got to see this band.

1147
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: Of course, Miles came and we signed with Miles April

1148
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: Fool's Day of nineteen, Okay, and that was it. Okay,

1149
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: let's go back a little bit slower because I'm on

1150
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: the other side of the fence. I'm reading the news

1151
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: back when you read a physical paper. There wasn't even

1152
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: article in the l A Times. Why have the Go

1153
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: Goes not gotten a record deal? Really? Okay? Yeah, well

1154
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: that makes sense because nobody would give us a deal

1155
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: and we were goddamn selling out every club we played

1156
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: in And we're going to San Francisco and we played

1157
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: in New York. We're selling out all these places. What's

1158
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: the problem. So did you sign the deal with I

1159
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: R S before you went to England or did you

1160
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: go to England first? Yeah, we went to England. That

1161
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: really got the ball rolling because when we went to England,

1162
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,959
Speaker 1: we toured with Madness and the Specials. So we got

1163
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: really tight during those tours because it was I mean,

1164
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: it was rough. Those those the audience did not want

1165
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: to see us. They hated our guts and let us

1166
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: know by throwing bowels and spitting all over us all night. Um.

1167
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: So we came back and we you know, we had

1168
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: been we had we just finished the School of hard

1169
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: Knocks when we played the UK. Um so uh, when

1170
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: we came back here, it was crazy. We thought we

1171
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: were going to really happen in the UK, and as

1172
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: it turns out, we didn't. We kind of flopped over there.

1173
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: But when we when we came back to the States,

1174
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: we got the beat. The single on Stiff was happening

1175
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: in the club scene. People were playing it and it

1176
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: was really starting to, you know, become a club favorite.

1177
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: People were knowing who the go goes were. And we

1178
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: get back to l A and that's what it really

1179
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: It really did change because then then it was like,

1180
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: instead of playing one night at the star Wood, you

1181
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: have to do two or three nights. Uh. It changed

1182
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: a lot. And we were really tight by that time

1183
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: because we've been playing every night. Um. And that was

1184
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: a pretty cool time. We played playing the Rosy and

1185
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: the Whiskey and the star Wood and then going up

1186
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: to Sandwich is gonna play with buo Hey And then

1187
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: then the venue stop bigger and bigger. It was. It was,

1188
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: it was. It was all welcomed. Okay, the Stiff single,

1189
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: we got to beat the original version that was done

1190
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: before the I R S deal, right, Yes, yeah we

1191
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: did that. Regarding Dave Rock, I think it was a game.

1192
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: Robinson Sift Records, Yeah, um uh yeah, he saw the

1193
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: band play and he had talked with Ginger several times

1194
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: about doing a deal he wanted. Our publishing with Ginger

1195
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: was like no way. Um, but we did do that

1196
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: that single deal with him. And you know, as much

1197
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: as we were like, oh, that's such crap, we don't

1198
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: really care about that, it worked to our advantage when

1199
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: we came back to the States because, like I say,

1200
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: it was happening in the clubs, they were playing it,

1201
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: so people all over the country were here in the

1202
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: go those for the first time. Um. Being an English import, fine,

1203
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: whatever takes um. So when we came back here, I

1204
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: think that the crowds that were showing up at our

1205
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: conscious were so big that people couldn't ignore it. And

1206
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: you know what what's funny is that I'm thinking about this,

1207
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: all the major labels offered up several major labels offered

1208
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: us uh EP deals nobody will offer us an LP

1209
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: deal except the I R. S Records, So we signed

1210
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: with them. Okay, you signed, You went to the u K.

1211
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: You came back. What was the process in the time

1212
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: period of getting it together and recording the album? Okay,

1213
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: so we get back to l A. We signed our deal. UH,

1214
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: milescope and had an idea of bringing in Richard Gotterer,

1215
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: a very famous songwriter, a great producer. He he had

1216
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: produced a couple of Blondie records. I thought it were

1217
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: a perfect fit and it was. Um. So we packed

1218
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: up and we went to New York for several months

1219
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: to work on our first album, Beauty and the Beat,

1220
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: and Richard was was guiding us and helped us to

1221
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: UH realized that what we needed to do was slow

1222
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: everything down a little bit. You could actually hear the melody,

1223
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: the vocal melody, which was sort of flying by so

1224
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: finished you couldn't appreciate it. We slowed it all dawn.

1225
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: We're still a punk band at heart, but we'd be

1226
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: came what was happening. He had these great pop mullies

1227
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: over top these punk punk chords, and you know, we're

1228
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: playing really fast. Um. He helped us change that up

1229
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: and make it more accessible to the general public. And

1230
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: it was at first when we heard our record we

1231
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: hated it. We thought, oh god, this isn't what we

1232
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: really sound like. What has he done to us? And

1233
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: then seven or eight months later, when the records number one,

1234
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: we were like, Richard is genius. What a trade guy.

1235
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: He knew exactly what to do, and we didn't, you know, whatever,

1236
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: Richard is genius. He's a great song man, and he

1237
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: did know what to do with those songs, and he

1238
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,919
Speaker 1: gave it a very classic sound. Okay, it wasn't exactly

1239
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: what we wanted, but it's classic. Cool. Okay. When when

1240
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: you showed up in New York, were the songs already written? Yeah,

1241
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: they were. They were already written when we got there.

1242
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: We had, you know, several songs, and he chose what

1243
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: he thought would be best on the record, and we

1244
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: worked on him. We worked on the arrangements, which were

1245
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 1: pretty close. But he really he was Richard, such a song.

1246
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: It's all about the song. You gotta start with that

1247
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: or you got nothing. You gotta have a great song.

1248
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: So did he hear the stuff before you came to

1249
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: New York? Did you work with you? No? He had

1250
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: been sent tapes. Okay, so now you're in New York

1251
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: for months, Needles just say, I hear kachin, kachin, kachin

1252
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: the bill, which is ultimately being paid by you. But

1253
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: you were also portray a wild time in addition to recording,

1254
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: You're hanging out with people, Jodie Foster, going all around.

1255
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: What was what was going on? Then? We were we

1256
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: were kids having a great time in our early twenties.

1257
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 1: We got a little money. Finally we're on our way

1258
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: to perhaps being rock stars. And it couldn't get much better,

1259
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, we were. I mean that was sort of

1260
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 1: when the rat Pack was happening, all with Rob Lowe

1261
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 1: and Andrew Carthy, that whole bunch that was all happening

1262
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: at the same time. We were all part of it.

1263
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: I am so lucky to have been involved in all that.

1264
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 1: It was great, Bob, it was great. You know. It

1265
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 1: felt like, oh my god, we have arrived. Here are peers.

1266
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: Look at everyone. I mean, we're all like, we're all

1267
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: on our way up. We're all working. Everybody stuff their

1268
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: ship together. We are partying, but we're young, and so

1269
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: that makes a difference. And it was the eighties where

1270
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: you're sort of I don't know that mentality was so

1271
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: different than um. Okay, so let's just assume it's the

1272
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: eighties for eaving today and I dry and I say,

1273
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: there's gonna be this great party. You have to go alone?

1274
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: Is that cool with you? Now? I have to have

1275
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: my my group with me. I've had my girl gang

1276
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: with me. I notice, anyway, what none of us went

1277
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: anywhere alone. We always had somebody, a couple of girls

1278
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: from the from the band. We're always hanging out together.

1279
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: You know, safety and numbers, bob. Okay, So you go,

1280
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: and it helps to have your wing people. But are

1281
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: you the person starting the conversation making friends or are

1282
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: you the one talking after they've already brought these other

1283
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: people into the circle. I've probably talked after they've brought

1284
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: into a certain because I am believe you're not kind

1285
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: of shy, so I wait for introductions and let other

1286
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: people do that, and then I'd sort of weasel my

1287
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 1: way in there. Okay. So when we first got on

1288
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: camera here, you were a ball of energy, really upfront,

1289
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: really energetic. Then we touched upon your parents, you got sad.

1290
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: So in terms of your personality, do you get depressed?

1291
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: Are you always upbeat? How do you cope? What do

1292
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: you like? Bob? I'm human, that's all. Of course I

1293
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: get depressed. UM, but I try to stay as positive

1294
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: as possible because you only go around once, and I

1295
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: want I want to look back on my life as

1296
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: as a as as a gift and and and try

1297
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: to keep it a joyful experience because you know what,

1298
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: there's so much crap going on that can bring you

1299
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: down on a daily basis. And I tried to, Um,

1300
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: I absorbed only so much and then I have to

1301
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: shut it out because everything it affects me deeply. And

1302
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: I you know, I just want to be happy and healthy,

1303
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 1: and I want the people that I love to be

1304
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: happy and healthy. And you know, I want to be

1305
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: in the Rock and Wall Hall of Fame. It's happening

1306
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. Duh. I'm I'm pretty. I'm okay, Bob,

1307
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm okay, Okay. So the record comes out. When's the

1308
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: first time you hear a song on the radio? And

1309
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: what's that like? I'm in my car and I heard

1310
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: I think it was our Lips are Steeled, and um,

1311
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: that's what I felt like, Oh my god, we really

1312
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: are going to make it like this is it. We're

1313
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: on the radio. My parents can hear this, my friends

1314
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: can hear this. I started getting calls from back in Baltimore.

1315
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I heard you on the radio. You know, Wow,

1316
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: it's great. How incredible is that. I'm a kid from Dune, doc.

1317
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 1: You know, I go to l A with everything I

1318
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: have in the back of my dad's pickup truck, and

1319
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: here it is. A couple of years later, I got

1320
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 1: a strong on the radio. Pretty magical. Okay, you have

1321
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: your story, but let's just assume the Go Goes didn't exist.

1322
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: Would you have made it anyway? I don't know. I

1323
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: had no idea. I know that I was very driven

1324
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: and I was looking for the right people to work with,

1325
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: But I have no idea. I really don't. I would

1326
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: have kept playing and played until I found the right fit.

1327
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: I know that. Okay, So over time the record builds

1328
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: ahead of steam and it's mega successful. You were on SNL.

1329
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: You know, you have the famous video where you're jumping

1330
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 1: in the fountain. Were you moving so fast you couldn't

1331
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: think about it? What was the experience? That's exactly, Bob,

1332
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it was. Things were happening at such

1333
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: a rapid pace that I don't think any of us

1334
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: had time to really take it all in. Um. You know,

1335
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: we were just like just doing whatever we were told

1336
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: to do. Uh. And it was all supposed to be

1337
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: part of what it takes to make your record sell

1338
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: and you know, to be a part of whatever of

1339
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 1: whatever that rock stardom stuff is. We were just trying

1340
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: to do what we were supposed to do. Um. And

1341
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: we didn't that really, we didn't. We never took time

1342
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: to really sit down and talk and think about it.

1343
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: And you know, that's the way the record labels pushed

1344
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: you back then. You would get off tour and have

1345
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks off and go right back on

1346
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: on tour, go right back out on tour. When you

1347
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: finished that tour, you come back and work on a record,

1348
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: and then you go right back out on tour. That's

1349
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: that's the way it worked, and that's what we were

1350
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: used to you know. Um. You know, in retrospect, it's like,

1351
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, you need to take time off to

1352
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: find yourself and to learn how to really communicate with

1353
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: each other. Um. There wasn't a lot of time for that. Okay,

1354
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 1: so who said when to make this second record, the

1355
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: record company or the band? And was the band company

1356
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: their record company the record company? Did you have the songs?

1357
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:44,480
Speaker 1: And when were they written? We had some of the songs, um,

1358
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: but I think that most of that stuff was written

1359
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: while we were on tour. We didn't have time to

1360
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,799
Speaker 1: go home and work on stuff. Um. You know that,

1361
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: you know the old saying the first record is a

1362
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: lifetime takes a life time, and make second when you

1363
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: gotta quick get it out. And of course we're all

1364
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: worried about the sophomore jinks. You know, it could never

1365
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 1: be as good as the first winner. I mean, it

1366
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: was incredible that our first album sold the way that

1367
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: it did, so we knew the second one was going

1368
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: to be tough. You know, we were going to get

1369
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 1: there going to say, oh, the first record you sold this, maney,

1370
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: what's the problem with the second one? We did the

1371
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: best we could, that's all. Okay. The second album comes out,

1372
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: Cathy's got this song vacation. You worked that up after

1373
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: it comes a hit. What's the perception being in the

1374
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: band of the second record. I think that we all

1375
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: felt rushed with that. We did feel rushed on the

1376
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: second record, absolutely, and thank god Kathy had written Vacation

1377
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: and we brought it into the band, changed it up

1378
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: a little bit, worked up the arrangement and it became

1379
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: a go go song, and that, you know, was the

1380
01:16:56,479 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: was the single, and thank god Cathy. And what about

1381
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: the other songs? Were they written in the studio? No,

1382
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: they were written on tour. Did you ever written in

1383
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 1: the studio, Bob? We have to have come in with

1384
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 1: it prepared. Did you consciously say we'd better be writing

1385
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: because we're gonna have to make a record, or it

1386
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 1: happens spontaneously. I think it happens spontaneously. I think we

1387
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: were all too busy and wound up, you know, at

1388
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: that particular time, with everything that's going on around us.

1389
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: And that's what I say. What what I'm saying here

1390
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 1: is that there wasn't a lot of thought put into anything.

1391
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: It was just do it, do it, do it, get

1392
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: it done, put the record out. You know. We we

1393
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: should have been allowed a little bit more time to

1394
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: do everything, but we didn't know any better. Okay, then

1395
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: you make the third record with Martin Russian, who of

1396
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: course had used success with the Human Leagues. No, longer

1397
01:17:55,160 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: with us. How did that come together? Um, well, we

1398
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:05,959
Speaker 1: did have some time off then and Martin I adored.

1399
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: I thought that Human League record Dare was a masterpiece.

1400
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: And when his name was brought up, I think it

1401
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:17,440
Speaker 1: was Kathy and myself that really pushed for him. Um.

1402
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean that album like I say that, albam there

1403
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: is a masterpiece. And Martin was you know, produced it.

1404
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: So I was like, please, just let's do it the

1405
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: record of everybody agreed to do it. Whatever to England,

1406
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: um to work on that record. But unfortunately, this was

1407
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 1: the hype of the drug intake and also everybody had

1408
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: plenty of money and uh, and the band was splintering

1409
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: at that point, where you know, there was a lot

1410
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: of there was problems, and no, we weren't communicating, we

1411
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 1: weren't realistic about our situation. Once again, we're just doing

1412
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: what we're told to do, um and not stopping to

1413
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: think about the consequences of not having enough time to

1414
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: really work on things on ourselves, you know, on our songs.

1415
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: We just had to get it together. I love that record. Nonetheless,

1416
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: I love Talk Show. I love the way it sunds.

1417
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 1: Martin was a great producer, a wonderful guy. Um, and

1418
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 1: I love that record. I'm happy with that record. How

1419
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: did you decide not to use Richard one more time? Oh?

1420
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: That was done. It was time to move on. It

1421
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: was time, it was we needed to change. It couldn't

1422
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: be the same thing again. Come on. Okay, So the

1423
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: third record comes out, there's no obvious single. Ultimately head

1424
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: over Heels. Head over Heels was a single, okay, but

1425
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say it didn't have the level of

1426
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: success of the previous tracks. And then ultimately Jane says

1427
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 1: she's gonna leave. Did you feel that coming? Was that

1428
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: a total surprise? What was happening there? Well, Jane wanted

1429
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 1: to be wanted to sing one of the songs Forget

1430
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 1: that day, and uh, we sat down and agreed that

1431
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be good. Belinda would feel her role would

1432
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: be diminished as a lead singer, and so you know, Um,

1433
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: that's the way that went down. And obviously Jane I

1434
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: couldn't deal with it and told us that she was

1435
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,600
Speaker 1: going to quit. Of course, I felt that, you know,

1436
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: if Jane wanted to do her own material and be,

1437
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 1: you know, be the lead singer, she should. She could

1438
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 1: go out and get a solo deal and still be

1439
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: in the band. But like I said, things were going

1440
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: so fast, and there was a lot of drugs and

1441
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: there was just everybody had their own camp and people

1442
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: that were pushing them to do this and that, and

1443
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 1: our management was not guiding us. They weren't really taking

1444
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: care of things the right way. Um. You know, they

1445
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: got to focusing on Belinda and her and she could

1446
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: be a star. It was just coming apart, so that

1447
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 1: the Jay thing was it was not a surprise, but

1448
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: I couldn't when it actually happened. It seemed like, oh

1449
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: my god, I can't believe she's really doing this. And

1450
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: then ultimately there's one more splinter with Charlotte and Belinda

1451
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: going off. Yeah, well that that was the final. Yeah,

1452
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:25,839
Speaker 1: that was it. Uh, that was weird because, um, Kathy

1453
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: and I were just trying to keep things together and

1454
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: Charlotte and we didn't put Charlotte in rehab and she

1455
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 1: was I thought would come out better and we'd be

1456
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 1: more united and we worked together. As it turns out,

1457
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,759
Speaker 1: she came out and I don't know what her Blenna

1458
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 1: we're talking about, but we were all called into a

1459
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 1: meeting at our management office and walked in and were

1460
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: told Charlotte when they said, you know, the band is

1461
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 1: over and that's that. And Kathy and I were mortified

1462
01:21:56,240 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: and couldn't believe it was happening. Um, and we just

1463
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: had to deal with it. That's the way it went. Dan.

1464
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't right. It wasn't done the right way.

1465
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: You know, what disbandinged to do is take a year

1466
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 1: or two off and come back and communicate and you know,

1467
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,640
Speaker 1: do what we need to do with each other to

1468
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: make it all right. Now. Charlotte, I only spent one

1469
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: night sit next to her at some gig and talking

1470
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 1: to her. But based on that experience, I know this

1471
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: is a stupid statement. She would be the last person

1472
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: I would expect to get hooked on heroin. How does

1473
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 1: someone like Charlotte get hooked on heroin? I don't know.

1474
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: You have to ask her. You know, it's a personal thing.

1475
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, man. You just uh, maybe the people

1476
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: that are around you are doing it and you sort

1477
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: of play with it and then it becomes a habit

1478
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: before you know it. I had an issue with it

1479
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: the nineties, um, and that was out of boredom, and

1480
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: my thing was like Oh, we're just smoking it. It's

1481
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 1: not a big deal. Well, yeah, it is a big deal.

1482
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: You know. Heroin is the fucking devil. It's bad news,

1483
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: bad news. So how long were you doing heron and

1484
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,719
Speaker 1: how did you get off? Oh? I was in rehab

1485
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: like three times and before I got it together. Most people,

1486
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: that's one thing I have to say about charge. She

1487
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 1: was in rehab once, since she stayed sober. Most people

1488
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: would take several times. It took me three times before

1489
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 1: I got myself together, and that's been over twenty years.

1490
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,600
Speaker 1: I'd never do that, never do it again. It's a

1491
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 1: you just become a different person. I look at that

1492
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: and I think, like, that's not That's not who I am.

1493
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not that person. It's dark. It's really dark. Okay.

1494
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: You know it's especially prevalent heroin now as a result

1495
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 1: of the OxyContin situation, and need to say, heroin is

1496
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: much less that's one of the reason people take it.

1497
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: It's much less expensive than OxyContin, which also is harder

1498
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: to get. But what was it like? You know, if

1499
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: people like David Crosby, who lose everything, you're taking heroin.

1500
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 1: You know, traditionally people say they spend all day thinking

1501
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: about where they're going to get their next fix. What

1502
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 1: was your experience, No, I just get what I need,

1503
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: that's all, and just stay at home and do it.

1504
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 1: That's it. When I would do that drug, I was

1505
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: I had a lot of it would give me a

1506
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: lot of energy, So I was constantly doing something. So

1507
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 1: if I had asked you at that time, if it

1508
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: was open, you're doing heroin, and I said you shouldn't

1509
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,879
Speaker 1: be doing it, you would have said, mind your business,

1510
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 1: mind your own business. It's that nothing to do with you.

1511
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you something. When you're doing that drug,

1512
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: people would say whatever they want, and people around you

1513
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: can die, can overdose from it. It It doesn't matter. You

1514
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 1: stop doing drugs when you are ready to. And I

1515
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: don't know exactly that when that happens or how that happens,

1516
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: but everybody has that moment if they're lucky, I had

1517
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 1: that moment and I stopped, and at the end of it,

1518
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: for me, I would never I would never deal with

1519
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: that drug again because, uh, trying to get off of

1520
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 1: it is such a horrible experience. I couldn't live through it.

1521
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 1: So I'll never that. That will never be in my

1522
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: life again. Okay, so if you went three times, you

1523
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 1: obviously relapse twice. What was going on there? It's easy

1524
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: to relapse, you know. It's just it's familiar territory. It

1525
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: numbs you up. It just makes you numb, so that

1526
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: everything around you good, If there's any kind of anything

1527
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: that's good or bad, it just evens it all out

1528
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 1: and you're numb to everything that's around you. So, uh,

1529
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: it's easy to live day by day that way. You

1530
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: don't you don't hurt, You don't hurt. However, what about

1531
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: the potential concept of odine? You just put that out

1532
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: of your mind. Or you're trying to be if you're

1533
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: if you're if you're iron, and if you're using a needle, Well, yeah,

1534
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 1: I guess so. I don't know. I would have never

1535
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: touched that. My stupidity on my behalf was that I

1536
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: was smoking it, thinking oh, it's not such a big deal.

1537
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:16,719
Speaker 1: It's like smoking pot. But of course that's ridiculous. Okay,

1538
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: the band breaks up. What goes through your head? You

1539
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 1: ultimately get a deal with House of Shock. What's what's

1540
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: going on there? Well, you know, when the band broke up,

1541
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: I was it was so bitter about the way that

1542
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: went down, and I couldn't. I don't gonna wallow in that,

1543
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 1: so I bitterness. So I just thought, Okay, I'm gonna

1544
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: get myself together, and I worked with Kathy for a while.

1545
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 1: We tried to put a band together, and that didn't

1546
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: didn't gel in the way I hoped it would. And

1547
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: then I thought, okay, I'm just gonna start from scratch,

1548
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 1: and uh, look for the right people. I found Vance Degenerous,

1549
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: and Vance and I started writing, and then we found

1550
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,719
Speaker 1: other players to work in the band House of Shock.

1551
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: I got Miles Copeland to manage us. We would rehearse

1552
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 1: up in his ass, and we did a show at

1553
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: the Roxy, and record labels were invited and we did

1554
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 1: one show and got a record deal with Capitol Records,

1555
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, that's pretty cool. Do one show get

1556
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: a deal? Very very cool? And then how did it

1557
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: play out after that? Well, then we got Richard got

1558
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 1: I brought I said, I want Richard back to help

1559
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: make sure the songs are all together. And Richard came

1560
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: in and we did the record and then I brought

1561
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: in Chas Stamford, who had written I Ain't missing you,

1562
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,839
Speaker 1: missing you whatever. I knew he was a good songwriter

1563
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 1: and a good producer, or brought him into sort of

1564
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: work on the single, fixed the track a little bit

1565
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 1: more um um, and we put the record out and

1566
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 1: did what it did not a hell a lot. Didn't

1567
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: have a lot of I didn't didn't have a lot

1568
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: of money behind it pushing it. But I did get

1569
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 1: a call. This sort of makes me happy. I got

1570
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,640
Speaker 1: a call from Billy Steinberg, who was a great songwriter,

1571
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: and he said to me, Gina, I just had to

1572
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: call you to let you know. I was driving to

1573
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: Palm Springs from l A, which is where he lived

1574
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: at the time, and he said, the song came on

1575
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 1: the radio and it was so good I had to

1576
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: pull my car over and listen. And at the end

1577
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: of it, they said, oh, this is house of Shocked,

1578
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: Gina Shocked, and the go goes. He said, I gotta

1579
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 1: tell you that single is fantastic, Gina. You've done a

1580
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:26,799
Speaker 1: great job and it was a song middle of nowhere,

1581
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 1: and that meant so much to me and it still

1582
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 1: does to this day. You know, you know whether you're

1583
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 1: whether your record makes it or not, as it's all

1584
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: timing and there's a lot involved in whether something happens money,

1585
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 1: it's sort of out of your hands. Once you make

1586
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: that record, you do the best you can to set

1587
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: it all up and h so the record is not

1588
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: as successful as you have as it happens, I'm disappointed,

1589
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 1: were you? And what happened with the act and what

1590
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:59,600
Speaker 1: was your next step? Well, I was, yeah, I was disappointed.

1591
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: And then to make matters worse, Uh, the whole regime

1592
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 1: at Capital Records changed. Our guy who was the head

1593
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: of Capital of the time he got asked, and even

1594
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: my head of the A and R. Tom Wally who

1595
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: signed me, who actually went on to help make UM

1596
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 1: Much Records. I can't think of it um anyway, interscope,

1597
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: thank you um And it was a tough time, but

1598
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: I thought I've done the best I can and you know,

1599
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: if this is what it's all about, I'm done with

1600
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: this crap. So I just thought, nowhere bands, I'm done

1601
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: with this. Then I went to New York and thought

1602
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: I was just going to be a songwriter, and so

1603
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: I got a record deal on I mean a publishing

1604
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,640
Speaker 1: deal with m c A in New York. John Alexander

1605
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 1: signed me and then I just wrote for several years

1606
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: and you know, worked on my songwriting skills and and

1607
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:00,080
Speaker 1: in the meantime, the go goes. We started playing and

1608
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 1: again started getting together. Sorry, okay, a couple of things.

1609
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: Ginger was the original manager, then you became part of

1610
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: the h K Empire. Why did you get rid of Ginger?

1611
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: And retrospect? Hole important? Was Ginger to your success? And

1612
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:23,839
Speaker 1: to what degree did her absence contribute to the breakup? Yeah,

1613
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 1: Ginger was the glue when when we when Ginger left,

1614
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: we didn't fire her. We didn't want her to go.

1615
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 1: We thought that, you know, Jimer just started out with us,

1616
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: and we thought like, wow, we've reached this point where

1617
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,680
Speaker 1: we might need a bigger management company to sort of

1618
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: oversee things. Can we have Ginger work with a bigger company?

1619
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: And you know, I guess a lot of things went

1620
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:53,600
Speaker 1: down that we weren't pretty to back then, And I

1621
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: only found out since then when I talked to Ginger

1622
01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: um and all of a sudden, Ginger was gone. She

1623
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: left l A and was in New York. I don't

1624
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 1: know what happened. It was, you know, we were sort

1625
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 1: of like, oh my god, we didn't want her to go.

1626
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 1: We wanted her to work with with the newer management company,

1627
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 1: a big company, you know, because we knew that her

1628
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 1: input would be sorely missed and it was and as

1629
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 1: it you know, turned out, the band broke up. I

1630
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: feel like if Ginger was there, she would have guided

1631
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 1: us the right way where things like that wouldn't have happened.

1632
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, Bob, you know, Okay, Ginger is out.

1633
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 1: Is she bitter? Um? I think she. I don't think

1634
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 1: she was bitter about the band. You have to ask her,

1635
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 1: but I don't think she thought that we were sort

1636
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: of behind the way she was being treated. Nevertheless, she's

1637
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 1: being treated really shabbily, and I I just felt really terrible.

1638
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: We all feel terrible about it because we didn't, like

1639
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 1: I said, there were things happening that we didn't know about. Um.

1640
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 1: When when Asoft's company came in, UM and we loved Irving,

1641
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: he was great, you know, Irving, Irving such a trip. Yeah.

1642
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I you know, I couldn't say one

1643
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: thing that. You know, we're all friends and we love

1644
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 1: Ginger and she's sort of back in the phone and

1645
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: has been for a while, and it's really nice nice

1646
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:27,640
Speaker 1: to tap her back. Okay, let's stay with the songwriting.

1647
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 1: Ultimately you have some success even today, like with Miley Cyrus.

1648
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: So tell us about your songwriting career. Well, you know,

1649
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: I wasn't a writer initially, and then I saw how

1650
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: much the songers. Man, I was like, wait a minute,

1651
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm working just as hard. Please give

1652
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: me a break. I don't know what we got. The

1653
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,640
Speaker 1: beat would beat without that drum beat, you know what

1654
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean. I just had all these It was I

1655
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:54,759
Speaker 1: couldn't figure it out, and I was really angry. And

1656
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: that was that was a big part of why. That

1657
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 1: being kind of I'm sure it was why of being

1658
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 1: kind of broke up um a part of it. Um.

1659
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: So I just continued sorry and trying to get better

1660
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 1: at my craft. And you know, in the like the

1661
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 1: two thousand eight or nine or whatever, I was writing

1662
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 1: with a couple of guys um and we wrote. We

1663
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:22,600
Speaker 1: wrote a bunch of songs, and Miley Cyrus heard one breakout.

1664
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: She had had a record done, but she heard that

1665
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: song and love it. She went back in and recorded

1666
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,600
Speaker 1: that became the title track of her record. That was

1667
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 1: where she was going for being like a kid into

1668
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: a young adult. And then Disney called us and John

1669
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 1: Allixander was like, Hey, I got this other young U.

1670
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 1: Her name is Selena Gomez, can you write something for

1671
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: So we were brought in to write for Selena and

1672
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 1: we wrote, uh, the first thing, all the title track

1673
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 1: and you know, four songs for her that record. Um

1674
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 1: and uh. So I felt like, well, guys, I actually

1675
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: can write, and let me just show you what I've done.

1676
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 1: So I felt vindicated at the end of the day

1677
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 1: because you know, um, if you're in a band and

1678
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,799
Speaker 1: the way some things are sort of setting stones. Certain

1679
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 1: people want to write with certain people and I get that,

1680
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 1: and when you bring another elements that might mess with

1681
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 1: that formula or whatever. But it was tough to get

1682
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 1: into their into the songwriting group with Charlotte and Jane

1683
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 1: h it was difficult, and so I just would write

1684
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: what I would write, and whatever was accepted by the

1685
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 1: band was But when I wrote stuff out on my

1686
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 1: own and other artists chose to record it, that made

1687
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: me feel really good and made me feel like, you

1688
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 1: know what, I am a goddamn songwriter and somebody's appreciating.

1689
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 1: And I didn't feel that much from the band, but

1690
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 1: just the way it goes, you know, I don't think

1691
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 1: it was a conscious effort on their behalfor just sort

1692
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 1: of the way things were working. I don't know. Okay,

1693
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 1: are you still writing songs today? I have not been.

1694
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 1: I haven't been for like I say, the last six

1695
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 1: years have been all devoted to my mom and dad

1696
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 1: and uh, but I'm gonna start getting back into that.

1697
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: I've been just super busy with you know, the last

1698
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 1: year and a half writing this book and uh, putting

1699
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:25,480
Speaker 1: the book together, getting the photos together, all that, um,

1700
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: and then of course there's always something going on and

1701
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 1: go go land and which I'm super happy about. I

1702
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,519
Speaker 1: feel very good about the band and the way that

1703
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: we communicate with each other. I just can't believe it,

1704
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,559
Speaker 1: all these years later, we're still it's still a five

1705
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 1: of us, and we still like care about each other,

1706
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a little family here. Man. It's

1707
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 1: a good thing. It's a good thing. Okay, let's go

1708
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:54,799
Speaker 1: back to thirty years ago. You do an House of Shock.

1709
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: You're going through your thing. Meanwhile, Belinda has a couple

1710
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:03,640
Speaker 1: of very are you significant hits with videos? How do

1711
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: you feel about that? Oh? I was piste off, but

1712
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 1: then when I got my House a Shock deal, I

1713
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 1: was fine because I was like, okay, I can do

1714
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: this too. And I was just the drummer in the band.

1715
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 1: It didn't get much songwriting in in in the go

1716
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 1: goes um. But you know what, when pushed came to

1717
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 1: a shove, I went out. I got a record deal,

1718
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 1: and you know I can do that. I you know

1719
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,719
Speaker 1: where it ends up is I only have so much control.

1720
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 1: But I still felt pretty good about what my contribution

1721
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: was and what you know, what I tried to do

1722
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 1: or what I did. So how did the band come

1723
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 1: back together? Jane Fonda got this band back together. Jane

1724
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 1: Fonda is the reason the band got back together. She

1725
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 1: contacted contacted all of us Belinda initially about getting together

1726
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,600
Speaker 1: and wanting us to do a show at Universal for

1727
01:36:58,080 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 1: a great initiative that she wanted to get on the

1728
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 1: back it. And of course we said yes because we're

1729
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:07,759
Speaker 1: all environmentalists, and we also said yes because it's Jane Fonda,

1730
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, a hero of all of ours. And so

1731
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 1: we met many times at her house in Santa Monica,

1732
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: and uh, everybody just started talking. We started going out

1733
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 1: to dinner, and you know it was a comfortable fit.

1734
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 1: You know, we're fatily What could I say? And before

1735
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 1: you know it, we're touring. We started touring a nine

1736
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 1: nine haven't stopped. Okay, in the interim before Jane fond

1737
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 1: it tracks you down, how much contact do you have

1738
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 1: with the other four? And now since you've been back

1739
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 1: together when you're not actually working, how much contact do

1740
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 1: you have with the other four? Um? We we know

1741
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 1: what we all Okay, we Lena's just has moved from

1742
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 1: Bangkok now she's in Mexico City, Kathy's in Austin, Charlton,

1743
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 1: l A. James in Hawaii, and I'm in San Francisco.

1744
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: So it's not like we get to see each other.

1745
01:37:56,360 --> 01:38:00,599
Speaker 1: We're not even the same place. But we do talk

1746
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 1: quite a bit, believe it or not. Um And because

1747
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 1: we have so much going on right now, so it's

1748
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 1: it's a necessity that we all speak and get on

1749
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 1: the same page about decisions that need to be made.

1750
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,799
Speaker 1: So it's it's like I said, it's pretty good now, Bob.

1751
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 1: I feel pretty comfortable with everybody and happy the way

1752
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 1: things are moving forward with the band. Where you know,

1753
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:24,839
Speaker 1: we're we're talking about doing some things next year. I'm

1754
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: pretty excited about things. The other thing I have to

1755
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 1: ask because I remember the final tour. Told I told,

1756
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 1: I said, don't put final tour. The gogoes are never over.

1757
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: Don't say final. That's ridiculous. Well, anyway, that happened, and

1758
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 1: that was a stupid move. I feel. I'm just gonna

1759
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 1: say it was really dumb, because you know what, we'll

1760
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 1: just tour until we fall am and that's the truth.

1761
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 1: We walk away from each other for six months or

1762
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 1: a year, and then we come back together. We're like, Okay,

1763
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 1: let's do some shows. Oh I miss you, Let's go

1764
01:38:57,439 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 1: on a vacation together, Let's do this, let's do that.

1765
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 1: Going was the decision? What? Why was the decision? Saying

1766
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 1: it was a final tour because people thought they were

1767
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: really out or you wanted to sell tickets was gone.

1768
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't a ticket thing. It was just a bullshit thing.

1769
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't remember who. It wasn't whatever that you know,

1770
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 1: they don't want to work anymore. It doesn't matter. It

1771
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: always resolved. And that was bullshit, and it's embarrassing. As

1772
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, that final show, final tour crap

1773
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 1: that everybody does. I was not a part of that. Sorry,

1774
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:35,639
Speaker 1: I wasn't. Okay, Rock and Roll Hall of fame. Where

1775
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 1: you at on that excited happy It's about time. I

1776
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 1: didn't care initially, but now it's like when it actually happens,

1777
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. I sing icing on the cake. Okay,

1778
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 1: So looking back, you were progenitors all girl group. There

1779
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 1: haven't been a whole hell of a lot since there

1780
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 1: was the Bengals. A to you. Now we're in more

1781
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 1: of a solo era. What can you tell us about

1782
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: being a woman in the music business as a performer?

1783
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 1: To what dick we are you held back to? What?

1784
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 1: What have you learned? I don't figure how back so

1785
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 1: much anymore. In the early eighties, late seventies, you worried

1786
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 1: because you had something to prove um although there aren't

1787
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: there still is not an all female band that has

1788
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:32,560
Speaker 1: done what we've done, and I'm waiting desperately for that.

1789
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 1: We talked about this all the time. Why where's the

1790
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 1: next goes? What the hell is going on? Well? There

1791
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 1: may be some neat bands coming around the band that

1792
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 1: are going to happen. I hope you know, um um like,

1793
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 1: I love the Linda Lendas. Have you heard them? Bob? Yeah?

1794
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:51,000
Speaker 1: They're very good, aren't they great? I just I've spent

1795
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 1: the weekend with them last last week last week in

1796
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: l A and I actually did. I played they play

1797
01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 1: a go Goost they played tonight and so I played

1798
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:04,599
Speaker 1: drums that song with them and they they filled me

1799
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 1: with joy. They are so wild and they're having such

1800
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 1: a great time, and they remind me of us, except younger.

1801
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 1: You know, they're so excited about everything. Oh man, I

1802
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:18,639
Speaker 1: hope they make it. What do you think, because there's

1803
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 1: a huge buzz. Why do you think there's not a buzzle?

1804
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 1: It hasn't happened already. I don't know. I don't know,

1805
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 1: and you tell me. I have no idea, But it's

1806
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 1: about time. I'm glad those girls are doing what they're

1807
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 1: doing and they're serious about it. And their parents like

1808
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 1: they're sending them to you know, they're they're all. They

1809
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:39,479
Speaker 1: take guitar lessons, they take piano lessons, drum lessons, like

1810
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 1: their parents grew up watching us do what we do

1811
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 1: and then started taking them as little kids. So they

1812
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 1: know their history and they are excited about doing what

1813
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:55,920
Speaker 1: they do. They love it. Like the drummer is, she's

1814
01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 1: like eleven years old or twelve. It's crazy and all

1815
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:04,800
Speaker 1: this girl is sixteen. I love it. It's a beautiful thing.

1816
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:08,559
Speaker 1: It's about time. Okay. You know, we live in the

1817
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:11,760
Speaker 1: me too era? To what degree do you have your

1818
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 1: own bad stories? So what degree do I have my

1819
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 1: own bad stories? Me two moments where guys were doing

1820
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 1: things that were inappropriate, I've never had that problem. I

1821
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:26,600
Speaker 1: think most guys are afraid of make and afraid of

1822
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:31,519
Speaker 1: this bam, and we're all together. The guys were always

1823
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 1: afraid of us. When we bring them back into the

1824
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: dressing room, they're like cowering in the corner. I mean,

1825
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:39,560
Speaker 1: when the five of us are together. I guess it

1826
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:41,640
Speaker 1: must be scary for guys. I don't know, but that's

1827
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 1: the way it's always worked out. I don't need problem

1828
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 1: with guys at all and getting you know, getting pushed around.

1829
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 1: We stand our own ground. That's why we were successful.

1830
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 1: That's why we've done what we've done. Okay, and the

1831
01:42:56,600 --> 01:43:00,200
Speaker 1: hopefully thirty years you have left. Other than playing with

1832
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 1: the go goes, you want to play until they bury you?

1833
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 1: What else do you want to accomplish? Oh, God, Bob,

1834
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, Um, I'm really happy to

1835
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 1: be in this span and very grateful, and I hope

1836
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 1: we play a lot longer, and I think we have

1837
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 1: we have some things up our sleeve that perhaps will

1838
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 1: be around next year. We're working on stuff all the

1839
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 1: time behind the scenes. Um. All I hope for is

1840
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:32,839
Speaker 1: that I stay healthy and happy and I am allowed

1841
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:34,679
Speaker 1: to do what I love to do, which is music,

1842
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 1: which will be writing, maybe some producing or you know,

1843
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 1: and playing with the band. Um. I think I've I've

1844
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 1: my life as far as been pretty fantastic. So I

1845
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: don't know what else is in store for me. All

1846
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: I know is that I'm gonna keep my ship together

1847
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 1: and um, you know, be open to whatever may come

1848
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 1: my way and be grateful about it. Well, Gina, you're

1849
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 1: really a force of nature. I gotta tell you. I've

1850
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 1: had a rough couple of days, been very busy, and

1851
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:09,360
Speaker 1: I was pretty fried. But as soon as you hit

1852
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:13,320
Speaker 1: the screen, blit right up right into the groove. I mean,

1853
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 1: you could feel the energy, and I'm sure that is

1854
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 1: part of why you're so successful. I don't know, Bob, everybody, everybody,

1855
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:24,599
Speaker 1: everybody tries the best way to know how. I'm tired

1856
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 1: to hear myself sound like such a good T shirt.

1857
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm kind of an asso sometimes, But you know what, Um,

1858
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:34,040
Speaker 1: after being around for a while, I just, you know,

1859
01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 1: when I see somebody you know, becoming famous or you know,

1860
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm also happy for them because it's a tough business.

1861
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 1: It really is, you know, And I would not want

1862
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: to be trying to get a deal this in this

1863
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 1: day and age. It is just so crazy. Um And

1864
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 1: so I you know, I watched younger artists or bands

1865
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:58,400
Speaker 1: and I am I am their fan. I'm there in

1866
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:03,960
Speaker 1: the background going yeah, yeah, do it. Well, I you know,

1867
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:07,520
Speaker 1: I echo all that stuff. But being in Los Angeles

1868
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 1: for forty five years and hearing everybody's bullshit and knowing

1869
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:17,760
Speaker 1: how hard it is to make it. Talent is at

1870
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:25,120
Speaker 1: most the other at work and drive. So anybody who

1871
01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 1: made it I have respect for because they really, they

1872
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 1: really had to go through the mill. It doesn't happen

1873
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,559
Speaker 1: when people say, oh I was just in the right

1874
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:36,559
Speaker 1: place at the right time. I was lucky. That's just

1875
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:40,600
Speaker 1: horse ship. If you got there, you had to be

1876
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:43,720
Speaker 1: one minded. Yea, yeah, you had to be a little lucky.

1877
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 1: But you have to make your own luck because this

1878
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:49,559
Speaker 1: is a town where everybody comes to make it and

1879
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 1: almost nobody does. Think of all the bands you played with,

1880
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:56,679
Speaker 1: the Club eight eight, etcetera. Who knows where those people

1881
01:45:56,720 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 1: are day They never even got signed, never mind, didn't

1882
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:05,520
Speaker 1: ever hit record. You're you're absolutely right. Yeah, it's uh,

1883
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,800
Speaker 1: it's scary. I mean, I can't imagine being one of

1884
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:11,680
Speaker 1: those first one of those people that that you know,

1885
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:15,280
Speaker 1: tried and tried and never really happened. Oh God, I

1886
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:19,720
Speaker 1: don't know what I do. I feel so lucky. And

1887
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 1: you're right about all that. It does. You know, you

1888
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 1: don't just you don't just you're not just in the

1889
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:25,720
Speaker 1: right place at the right time there. You have to

1890
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 1: work to put yourself there, and you have to know

1891
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: how to negotiate the situation. Yeah, because you know, what's

1892
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 1: the other thing. You know, we're musicians, we're not lawyers,

1893
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 1: we're not managers. That's not what we chose to do.

1894
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:41,680
Speaker 1: But yet you have to have a little bit of

1895
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 1: that with what you're doing where you're gonna get screwed.

1896
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 1: You've gotta you gotta learn the game. You gotta learn

1897
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:51,679
Speaker 1: how to play, and that takes that takes a while

1898
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,720
Speaker 1: before you really know the rules and you know how

1899
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 1: to how to look out for yourself. Well, you talk

1900
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 1: about you know, Charlie Watts and Bill. Why I'm in now,

1901
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:04,280
Speaker 1: Daryl Jones, You're anchoring the band. And I think the

1902
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:07,680
Speaker 1: most the most significant thing you were talking about is

1903
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:10,320
Speaker 1: when you joined the band, you were the pile driver

1904
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 1: said we gotta rehearse, we gotta do this. I mean,

1905
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:16,760
Speaker 1: I can't lift the whole band, but I can light

1906
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 1: a fire under you. Well, I just that was my way.

1907
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 1: It was the only way I knew how to do things.

1908
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 1: You know. Um, I didn't have the magic formula. All

1909
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 1: I knew was that if we I felt like, if

1910
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 1: this band rehearsed more something great, what's going to happen.

1911
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 1: I really believe that. And I think the girls, you know,

1912
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:42,840
Speaker 1: adhered to that whole concept because they were they were

1913
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 1: doing it, and they were excited about it, and they

1914
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:50,720
Speaker 1: felt that they believed in that idea and and and

1915
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 1: you could see the band transforming, you know, from week

1916
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 1: to week, month to month. Everybody was getting better at

1917
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 1: what they do. And so that is something that really,

1918
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, propels you forward. It's like, Okay, well I

1919
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:08,280
Speaker 1: see a difference now from a month ago. Make sure

1920
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 1: want to continue what you're doing and know that you're

1921
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 1: doing the right stuff to make things better, to get

1922
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 1: your songs out there, to be a better musician, to

1923
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:17,720
Speaker 1: be a better writer. All that goes into it. A

1924
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 1: better performer, better at handling record labels, you know all

1925
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 1: that stuff. It's a big picture. Well put and on

1926
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:28,559
Speaker 1: that note, I think we're gonna leave it. Gina, thanks

1927
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:31,760
Speaker 1: so much for doing this. Bob. It's a pleasure. You're

1928
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 1: a sweetheart. I really enjoyed talking with you. Good luck

1929
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:41,040
Speaker 1: editing it, and um we are editors. We've really much

1930
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 1: let her rip because we wanted to be honest. You

1931
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 1: condensed it too much, you lose the essence. Yeah, I

1932
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:49,519
Speaker 1: don't know. Uh, I think it'll turn out pretty good. Oh,

1933
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:54,479
Speaker 1: I know it's good keeping You're like, you got some

1934
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 1: energy up. That's good. Well, you know that's good. You

1935
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 1: know I'm guiding and I'm judging whether it's good. That's

1936
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about. Seven. As I say you earlier,

1937
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 1: as soon as you hit the mic, I said, this

1938
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 1: is gonna be no problem. Alright. Good. I'm glad you

1939
01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:10,879
Speaker 1: felt that way. Dave Um and I appreciate your gians

1940
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: through this. Okay, until next time, it's Bob left Sis