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Speaker 1: Welcome in What's Driving Thick Right episode to ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: We will today, in very short order, get to the

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Speaker 1: NFC Championship Game, which somehow we had our maybe our

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Speaker 1: longest pot of all time and never got to. I

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Speaker 1: blame demons. He wouldn't shut up on Tuesday. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my god head to all these chiefs take so many

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Speaker 1: things to say, and because of it, we couldn't get

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Speaker 1: to Jalen Hurts and the Eagles and Jayden Daniels and

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Speaker 1: all of that. We also, I did not anticipate sometimes

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Speaker 1: I see stories coming down the pike. I did not

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Speaker 1: anticipate the latest as the world turns in relation to

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Speaker 1: Bronni James. So we'll get to that as well, and

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Speaker 1: a little kind of playoff picks recap all that coming

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Speaker 1: up shortly. Also a true media tour for me this

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Speaker 1: week the Collins Podcast, Levotard Show, and Patrick's show, Just

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Speaker 1: Did Pardon My Take? Invited myself onto Adam Shin's show,

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Speaker 1: went on Damon Mindo Lara's show. I'm leaving some stuff out.

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Speaker 1: There is something incredibly cool happening. I don't think I've

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Speaker 1: even told Demonse, and I can't Demonse call me after

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Speaker 1: the show to remind there's something really cool happening next

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Speaker 1: don't want to it's not my news, so to speak,

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Speaker 1: to share it right now, and so I don't want

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Speaker 1: to share it on the air. But a lot of

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm too excited to talk about the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and these games and the reps and the lunatics

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Speaker 1: subscribe on iTunes, Spotify, all that stuff. Okay, here's what

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Speaker 1: missed the cut. It's all Pro Bowl related, and demon's

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Speaker 1: I can just fix the Pro Bowl situation, okay, because

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Speaker 1: it's it's not actually a problem that Drake May and

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson are gonna participate in the Pro Bowl games.

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Speaker 1: The problem is that they will now be called Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowlers for the twenty twenty four season. The problem is

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Speaker 1: that on football Pro Football Reference and you're gonna look

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Speaker 1: at the twenty twenty four season and it's gonna say

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Speaker 1: Drake may was a Pro Bowler and Patrick Mahomes wasn't,

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Speaker 1: and that's gonna be like, that's weird. So I actually

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Speaker 1: think this is a bookkeeping solution. The solution is bookkeeping.

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Speaker 1: I think the official NFL record books should go go

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Speaker 1: back retroactively and moving forward and have the rule be

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Speaker 1: very simple. In order to be called a Pro Bowler,

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Speaker 1: you have to make the original roster. Those are your

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Speaker 1: However many it is one hundred and six Pro bowlers

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Speaker 1: a year are the guys on the original roster. If

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Speaker 1: you were an injury replacement or a guy who opted

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Speaker 1: out replacement, then you do not get on Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Reference or in the NFL record books a Pro Bowl

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Speaker 1: designation next to your name. That way, we don't have

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Speaker 1: this weird stuff where it's like, wait, Tyler Huntley the

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Speaker 1: year Lamar got hurt and he started four games, was

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Speaker 1: a Pro Bowler. That is, that's on his record. So

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Speaker 1: it's a book keeping solution more than anything. You can't

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Speaker 1: ask Josh Allen to go play in this game. He's devastated.

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Speaker 1: The artist hand Lamar and Derrick Henry are devastated. So

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Speaker 1: it's just that's the way you do it. The other

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Speaker 1: thing that Greg Jennings brought up, which is a good point,

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Speaker 1: is the Pro Bowl used to be in Hawaii and

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Speaker 1: it was a vacation for your family and it was cool.

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Speaker 1: Now it's in Orlando, and nothing against Orlando. People are

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Speaker 1: less likely to be like, Okay, I want to spend

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Speaker 1: time there as supposed to go into Hawaii. So there's

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Speaker 1: the solutions. Demons. You had an interesting idea that I

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Speaker 1: think is worth throwing out into the audience before we

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Speaker 1: get the NFC championship game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm mad that I didn't think of what you said,

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Speaker 2: because that makes a lot of sense. But I just

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Speaker 2: said that they should make the Pro Bowl to where

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Speaker 2: up and coming stars in the college and the college

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Speaker 2: team should be able to play. So it makes it

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Speaker 2: more embarrassing for the NFL players that didn't make it,

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, and so it maybe gives more pressure for

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Speaker 1: it's like, listen, you opt out, it's fine, but Shador

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Speaker 1: Sanders taking your spot. Whatever it is, I think it's

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Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of senior bullish, but would be

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Speaker 1: Championship game. Go ahead, demons.

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Speaker 2: So Philly obviously watched the Commanders in the NFC Championship Game.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they might have done that just to

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Speaker 1: Well, I obviously think the Chiefs are the better team,

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Speaker 1: And sometimes someone else has a take that I hear

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Speaker 1: feels fair. I know that sounds silly, but you just

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Speaker 1: don't want guys who are not main characters of the

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Speaker 1: get so nervous with the Chiefs kick returner Nico Romihio,

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Speaker 1: I was making it about those Washington mistakes, and Wild's

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Speaker 1: on the show said, man, that game was over on

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Speaker 1: the very first play of that Philly had the ball.

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Speaker 1: He's like, when Sakuon Barkley in the regular season destroys you,

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Speaker 1: take about that exact thing. The Eagles not only didn't

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Speaker 1: Dead wrong across the board on it. With all that set,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Saquon's going to annihilate the Chiefs. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure he'll be good. The Chiefs are too good at tackling,

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Speaker 1: have to be more on Jalen Hurts. And we'll get

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Speaker 1: The other piece of this game that I really do

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Speaker 1: it wasn't something that was schemed wide open a crossing

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Speaker 1: was a difficult throw, it was a high leverage throw.

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Speaker 1: let's talk toush pushes tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been saying that they should Jesus, you've been

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Speaker 2: saying that they should ban the toush push for years.

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Speaker 1: shocked how few people knew the referees could award a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: So many media members were like, I've never heard and

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Speaker 1: again this is my own nerd nerd, I guess. But

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Speaker 1: so Saquon esque super long run, has nothing but daylight

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Speaker 1: that is more punitive than we'll give you the ball

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Speaker 1: the one and that just intellectually makes perfect sense that

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Speaker 1: and stop them. The other reason, yeah, and so it

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Speaker 1: in that situation theoretically if they thought Tomlin did that

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Speaker 1: on purpose, or if he did actually trip Jacoby Jones,

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Speaker 1: awarded them a touchdown. The other scenario it's in place

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Speaker 1: not reeally, which is if a team just commits a

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Speaker 1: So to Monsey, let's say In this game, Jaden Daniels

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Speaker 1: has the ball throws an interception. It's the exact golf

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Speaker 1: however long that takes. Without this rule in place, the

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Speaker 1: It's it's possible. I don't think it's likely. I don't

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of fits and starts up and down,

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Speaker 1: like trying trying to move them. So I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to pour cold water on the commander's season, but I

431
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Speaker 1: wouldn't going into next year, I would anticipate Detroit is

432
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Speaker 1: better than them. Philly.

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00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: Saying that them losing the Philly like if they obviously

434
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: had to eventually play Philly sounds like that, like kind

435
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: of undid everything that they did.

436
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: Like it's not, no, it's not that it undid everything

437
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: they did. It's that in the NFL, every year, really

438
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: you are starting from scratch, and this idea that, well,

439
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: we got so far last year, therefore you know you're

440
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: you're you're really truly starting over. And when I look

441
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Speaker 1: at the roster, I do think Detroit will be better

442
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: next year. I do think Philly will be better next year.

443
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: And if we want to say they're right there, then

444
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: with everyone else, I don't know it. Maybe I mean

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00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: I think that for Washington next year, the expectations should

446
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: be let's make the playoffs again. I think anything past

447
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: that is probably a little too strong. All right, let's

448
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: go to the AFS. You think that's fair, right.

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00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, that's very fair. I don't think I

450
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't say, like they're going to go win the super

451
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: Bowl next year, I would say that. Well, that's why to.

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Speaker 1: Me is like every year there are five or six

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Speaker 1: what I consider contenders. Now that doesn't mean those are

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Speaker 1: the only teams that can win the super Bowl, but

455
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: they're the only teams that if they won the super Bowl,

456
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be shocking, right, And going into this year,

457
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Speaker 1: the I think the consensus six teams were Chiefs, Bills, Ravens. Well,

458
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: maybe the Bills weren't won. They were to me, but

459
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Speaker 1: maybe they weren't to the general public. Lions, Eagles, Niners,

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Speaker 1: and I know the Niners fell apart, but they were

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Speaker 1: say it again.

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Speaker 2: No I was gonna throw the Bengals in there, but

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Speaker 2: oh yes, no, no, no they were.

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Speaker 1: You're the Bengals probably were where I had the Bills

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Speaker 1: in my head. Like, and then there's the next group

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Speaker 1: of teams that to me this year, Texans, Packers were

467
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Speaker 1: you know, two of them where it's like, okay, we

468
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Speaker 1: expect them to be good, but I'm not ready to

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Speaker 1: call them contenders. All right, let's do Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: Uh So you and Brew had wildly different takes on

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Speaker 2: why the Chiefs have become villains. Wild's actually discreet with

472
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: both of you guys and said that they're not villains

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Speaker 2: at all. What do you what's your what's your take there?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, first let me Wilds thinks that the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: aren't hated, and I think that's an insane opinion. Personally,

476
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: He's like, look at hown and people watch the games

477
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: all this stuff. I think the Chiefs are well. He

478
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Speaker 1: also says hate watching is a myth, and that might

479
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: be true, but I think sports it doesn't really work.

480
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: Is hate watching. It works as rooting for the other team,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, so the you are

482
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Speaker 1: deeply invested in the game, you're not hating watching the

483
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: names rooting for the other team. I think the Chiefs

484
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: are simultaneously the league's most popular team and the league's

485
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Speaker 1: most hated team. I think amongst young people or super

486
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: casual fans, the Chiefs are probably the most popular team

487
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: in America. I think amongst people that have Sunday ticket,

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00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are the most hated team other than your

489
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: team's number one rival. So like that's you know, if

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Speaker 1: you're a Steelers fan, I think you hate the Ravens

491
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Speaker 1: and your number two hate is the Chiefs. I think

492
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Speaker 1: if you are a Vikings fan, you hate the Packers

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Speaker 1: and maybe the rest of the NFC North, and your

494
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Speaker 1: number two most dislike team is the Chiefs because of

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00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: the success and other things, and the other things is

496
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: doing a lot of work there, and I'll get to

497
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: it in a second. Bru's answer was they're not exciting anymore,

498
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: that they went from being a high flying team and

499
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: now they're not. And I think that is absolutely wrong.

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00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: I think that maybe they would So here's where I

501
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: think Brew is kind of right. If they were still

502
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Speaker 1: scoring forty points all the time, I think they would

503
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Speaker 1: be less hated. But not scoring forty or even more

504
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: than thirty all year did not make them hated. What

505
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: made them hated was the success combined with the conspiracies,

506
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Speaker 1: and you, I do not believe you can close success, correct,

507
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: It's the it's that all these games are close. It

508
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: feels like they're vulnerable when they're not. And then you

509
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: add to it the level of conspiracy associated with them,

510
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: and I think that I think the ref stuff has

511
00:33:54,320 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: taken on a totally different tone and feel over the

512
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: last six weeks to where it is the overwhelming sentiment

513
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Speaker 1: for a lot of people that the games are not

514
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: on the level, and I feel like that is driving

515
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: the villain narrative more than anything, because you look at

516
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Speaker 1: the other like the Patriots were villains, yes, the success,

517
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: but then you add to it that they did have

518
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: two separate, documented, adjudicated cheating scandals. You then add to

519
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: it that Belichick embraced that villain role with his gruff

520
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: demeanor and kind of shadowiness. The Chiefs are none of that.

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Speaker 2: They've had no Patriots for the reason that the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: are aided what do you mean? You know, because maybe

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Speaker 2: back then when they were doing all that cheating and

524
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: they were winning, it's like, oh, the Chiefs must be cheating,

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00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 2: that's why they're getting all these wins. The the three

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Speaker 2: p oh I like that.

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Speaker 1: Take that it's the audience has been conditioned to think

528
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: the only way to win at this level is to

529
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: break the rules. Okay, maybe, but you know, Andy Reid

530
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: is not Bill Belichick personality wise, and and Mahomes is

531
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: just visually objectively talented in the way Brady wasn't. That

532
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: it's captivating for the audience, so you wouldn't think that

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00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: they should be hated. But I think it I the

534
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: other and I didn't talk about this on the show

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00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: because it was just too unwieldy. But the other the

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00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: non ref non style, non all of it, part of

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00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: some percentage of the Chiefs hate is I'm sorry, hate

538
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: to go here with it, but it's true, is actuallyogyny

539
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: and it's anti Taylor Swift being shown for eighteen seconds

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00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: on the show. On the games, it is a reflexive

541
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: allergy to why are you showing this woman cheering for

542
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: this team as often as you are during my football games?

543
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: That was You saw a lot more of that last

544
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: year when people were freaking out over what when they

545
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: documented it was forty two seconds of airtime that Taylor

546
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: would get during the game's cheering. But a lot of

547
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: that just feels like, really just kind of old school.

548
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: This is my sandbox. Get out of my sandbox, you

549
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean? He man woman hater type of nonsense.

550
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: All right, speaking of nonsense, I did not see this

551
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: one coming, but Bronnie was a super hot topic on

552
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: a bunch of shows yesterday. Your friend Colin Coward, when

553
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: I was on his pod last night, led the pod

554
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: talking about Bronnie, and I told him I totally disagreed

555
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: with him. I know it was a big topic on ESPN,

556
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: So go ahead, let's let's do the Bronny discussion.

557
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: So Bronni got some real minutes in that Philly game

558
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: the other day, even first quarter minutes in fact, he struggled,

559
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: and JJ went on the podium and said that he

560
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: kind of blamed himself, put him on national television. Stephen

561
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: A even came out and blamed Lebron or or said

562
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: that Lebron has a serious role in it. What's what's

563
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: your whole take on the situation?

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00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: I was shocked at the reaction to this game. Shocked. Now, Listen,

565
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: Bronni did not play well. He was oh for five,

566
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: he had three turnovers. There's the there's no denying. And

567
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: Bronni now is one for sixteen shooting in the NBA.

568
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: I think oh for seven from three, and that's brutal

569
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: for a number of reasons, but not the least of

570
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: which are he's gonna play so little now, even if

571
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: he has a couple decent, you know, two three minute

572
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: stretches in garbage time, his numbers are gonna be horrifying.

573
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: And so you know that that just you know, is

574
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: life of a late second round pick into the bench Guy.

575
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: Where I was shocked was there has been so much

576
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: disingenuous commentary surrounding the Lakers and surrounding Bronni and folks

577
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: immediately resuming it after being quiet on all fronts for

578
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: a month. The moment Bronni gets some more NBA minutes

579
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: and plays poorly, it just struck me as transparent. So

580
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: let me go to the Lakers piece of it, and

581
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 1: then the Bronni piece of it. I know you all

582
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: saw it. It was TV commentary and also very popular

583
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: social media posts where they would show the Lakers record

584
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: last year with Darvin Ham through ten games, twelve games,

585
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: twenty games, twenty four games, and then their record this

586
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: year with JJ Reddick. Show last year they won the

587
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: in season tournament with Darvin Ham. This year they even

588
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: qualified for it with JJ Reddick, and it was, oh,

589
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: everyone blamed Darvin, but now look at them now. And

590
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: then the Lakers got hot, moved up to the five seed.

591
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: The records are wildly different. They're five games over five

592
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: hundred earlier than they have been in any year in

593
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: the last few years. And all those accounts and takes

594
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: went away, and the exact same thing happened with Bronni. So,

595
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: Bronni started off in the G League struggling, and you

596
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: would see his stats and his plus minus and his

597
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: all of it publicized all the time. And then the

598
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: last few he is crushed in the G League. Last

599
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: three games in the G League twenty three six and

600
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: five averages a career. I had thirty something the other night,

601
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: forty three percent from the field, forty six percent from three,

602
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: eighty nine percent from the line, and all those accounts

603
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: went away entirely, We're not talking about it. So I

604
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: was like, well, that's just shitty, you know, like the

605
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 1: and so there was because there was so much of oh,

606
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: my goodness, I know this is what lebron wants, but

607
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: is it good for Bronni? Is he you know, is

608
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: so much of that. And then when Bronni was cooking

609
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: in the G League, which now people are gonna be like, oh,

610
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: anybody can cook in the G those the general conventional

611
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: wisdom was he's really going to struggle in the G League. Guys.

612
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: He didn't play that well at USC. It's grown men

613
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: in there fighting to, you know, get a roster spot,

614
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: and he had a bit of a slow start, but overall,

615
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: on the year, now in the G League, and don't

616
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: show the stats of the other guys yet. Just stay

617
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: stay with me on this. He's sixteen four and four

618
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: and again in the last few weeks twenty three points

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00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: at twenty three points per game, six rebounds per game,

620
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: five assists per game, two steals per game on forty

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00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: three forty six eighty nine splits. And the other thing

622
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 1: you were hearing, you heard a ton of right after

623
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: he was drafted, was it's unfair to the guys. You know,

624
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: he took someone's roster spot, he took someone's draft position.

625
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: He you know, this is this is nepotism at its worst.

626
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: Forget the fact that with an end of the second

627
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: round pick, if someone said, hey, here's the deal. There's

628
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: a kid who was a legitimate, top high school prospect

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Speaker 1: who had a massive medical event that derailed his freshman

630
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: year of college. However, his you know, at the NBA combine,

631
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: his shooting was off the charts. Everyone says his intangibles

632
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: as far as characters suffer, off the charts, and oh yeah,

633
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: one just added bonus, he literally has the same DNA

634
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: as arguably the greatest athlete of all time. Do you

635
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: think he's worth a flyer. I think a lot of

636
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: people are like, yeah, sure, fifty to fifth pick, fifty

637
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: six pick, why not? None of that commentary was there

638
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: at the time, and then he was kind of validating

639
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: the belief by his playing the G League. And then

640
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: he gets these minutes against the Sixers, and Steven Aid

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Speaker 1: pleads with lebron to stop this. As if, guys, if

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Speaker 1: you have an older team like the Lakers, and you

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Speaker 1: are on a back to back, it is totally reasonable

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Speaker 1: and expected that the coach might then say, hey, kid

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Speaker 1: on the two way, who we drafted, who's playing the

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Speaker 1: best ball of his career. This is a game you

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Speaker 1: might get some minutes. Be ready. Now, again, Bronni played very,

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Speaker 1: very poorly, but for that to then be a controversy

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Speaker 1: is absurd. But here's what really bothered me were if

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Speaker 1: we are going to recite Bronni's current NBA stats, then

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Speaker 1: let's put them in context. So he was taken fifty fifth.

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Speaker 1: There were fifty eight picks in this year's draft, because

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Speaker 1: there were picks taken away. The guy taking fifty sixth

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Speaker 1: has not played because he had knee surgery. So we

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Speaker 1: will compare Bronni's NBA stats. The guy's taking fifty seventh

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Speaker 1: and fifty eighth, We can put them on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Bronni averaging three minutes a game, point three points point

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Speaker 1: four rebounds, point three assists. That's can you imagine something

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Speaker 1: being worse? Well, I don't know, man. The guy taking

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Speaker 1: fifty seventh, that's averaging point eight points one rebound, point

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Speaker 1: three assists. And the guy taking fifty eighth, who's played

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Speaker 1: double minutes per game. All the other Bronni and Ulbrick,

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Speaker 1: pardon Ulric three and a half minutes when he's played

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Speaker 1: RILs with seven and a half one point six points,

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Speaker 1: one point eight minutes point four assists per game. They're

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Speaker 1: all the same. What about their G league numbers? And

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Speaker 1: this is where people are really disingenuous. So Bronni's G

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Speaker 1: league numbers twenty eight minutes per game, sixteen four and four.

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Speaker 1: The guy taking fifty sixth has not played because he

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Speaker 1: had ANEE surgery. Fine guy taking fifty seventh six points,

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Speaker 1: seven rebounds, one assist. The guy taking fifty eighth six points,

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Speaker 1: five rebounds, point six assists. So what the hell are

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Speaker 1: we talking about? It was such a narrative, wasted draft

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Speaker 1: picks service of Lebron's ego unfair. Okay, So the guy like,

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Speaker 1: let's just assume the Lakers board was what everyone else's

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Speaker 1: board was. The three guys taken after him again. Put

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Speaker 1: the G League numbers up again, because I think it's

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Speaker 1: worth noting. Lebron's played twenty Bronni's played twenty eight minutes

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Speaker 1: a game. The guy taking fifty seven has played twenty

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Speaker 1: four minutes a game. The guy taking fifty eight is

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Speaker 1: played twenty two minutes a game. So Bronni is getting

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Speaker 1: a little more opportunity. Bronni's averaging sixteen a game. The

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Speaker 1: other two guys are averaging six point six and six

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Speaker 1: point seven. Brian's getting you four point two rebounds a game,

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Speaker 1: the other two guys getting you seven point five and

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Speaker 1: five point seven. Brian's getting you four point two assists

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Speaker 1: a game. The other guys are given you one point

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Speaker 1: one in point six. So here's why I bring this up.

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Speaker 1: The little bit of data we have suggests, oh, that's

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Speaker 1: a fine draft pick. It's totally in line. In fact,

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Speaker 1: he is slightly outperforming the guy's taken after it. So

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Speaker 1: to have that data and then seizon ten bad minutes

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Speaker 1: against the Sixers and do an impassion plead to Lebron

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Speaker 1: or to the league or to the Lakers to stop this,

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Speaker 1: like it's a farce, is to me just wild. And

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Speaker 1: the fact that all of these people were so quiet

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Speaker 1: in the weeks leading up to it when he was

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Speaker 1: cooking in the G League. Now again he might be like, oh, Nick,

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Speaker 1: nobody's gonna talking about the G League. I'd be fine

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Speaker 1: with that, except they were when he first started in

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Speaker 1: the G League and was playing really poorly, And so

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Speaker 1: I just think it's bullshit, And I think there is

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Speaker 1: a lot of I don't like Lebron, and therefore I

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Speaker 1: am going to be wildly disingenuous about his son from

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Speaker 1: folks on social media and some folks in the media,

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Speaker 1: in the actual media, and I'm no big fan of it.

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Speaker 1: All right, demons, we'll obviously go to next week. I

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Speaker 1: think we will do like a prop special uh show,

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Speaker 1: But let's just do a quick recap of where we're at.

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Speaker 1: My quest for an undefeated postseason. Died early, so then

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Speaker 1: I side quest ten win postseason. I can't. I needed

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Speaker 1: to go undefeated last weekend, and I got the Washington

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Speaker 1: game very wrong. So so here so recap my record

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Speaker 1: if you would please.

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Speaker 2: Uh So, your conference record right now is one in

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Speaker 2: one playoff record. You are eight three and one season

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Speaker 2: record fifty six forty three and three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so figainst the spread more importantly, and maybe this

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Speaker 1: needs to be a bigger piece of next year. Touchdown Genie,

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Speaker 1: I'm just the I the I don't bet the anytime

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Speaker 1: touchdown stuff, but everyone loves it. And I've been undefeated

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Speaker 1: on the season on the times I've given one out.

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Speaker 1: I told you guys, Kareem Hunt at plus one ninety

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Speaker 1: he scored the first touch round of the game. It

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Speaker 1: was just a snap in your teaser ended on a

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Speaker 1: sad note. It made I was I it's you know what.

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Speaker 1: I don't blame you for it. I get the you

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Speaker 1: had Washington. It was the right way to tease it.

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Speaker 2: But that was a bummer, honestly, like maybe it's because

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Speaker 2: I already lost the bat, but looking back on it,

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Speaker 2: probably you know, honestly, though, I think that teas and

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Speaker 2: Philly Beck could have been just as smart of a move.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was. I mean, looking back on it,

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Speaker 1: it was the obvious move. However, I thought Washington could

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Speaker 1: win the game. Yeah, And so what I will say

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Speaker 1: is about the super line is kans City opening one

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Speaker 1: and a half? Is the is fair? I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: act like it's disrespectful. Philly's been so good. I would

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Speaker 1: have been annoyed if kanc City was underdogs. But it

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Speaker 1: feels like Vegas is and the listener or the betters

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Speaker 1: have kind of learned their lesson there. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: ask a few listener questions to Monday before we get

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Speaker 1: out of here.

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Speaker 2: Indy Nick, where do you see the game? Where do

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Speaker 2: you see the end game being? And the mainstream media

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Speaker 2: is going to be influenced by social media.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's positive. And I think that it's

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Speaker 1: one thing for the mainstream media to be taking the

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Speaker 1: temperature and the pulse of what people are talking about

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Speaker 1: genuinely and having that influence their coverage. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a good thing. The problem is social media is because

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Speaker 1: all of the algorithms are made in a way to

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Speaker 1: generate the most engagement and to usually keep people the

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Speaker 1: most angry and outraged and online. That it skews your

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Speaker 1: perspective of what people are actually talking about, or thinking

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Speaker 1: about or believing, and then eventually perception becomes reality. If

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Speaker 1: there is a small portion of the world or that

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Speaker 1: thinks something but that is amplified on social media, and

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Speaker 1: that then therefore dictates what the actual media is covering,

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it does become the story.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that there's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: involving the way discussions are framed and which discussions are

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Speaker 1: rewarded online that I don't know if the mainstream media

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Speaker 1: has a good grap grasp on what people what the

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Speaker 1: majority of the population actually care about as opposed to

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Speaker 1: what the majority of their Twitter feed is talking about.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to bref.

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Speaker 2: Uh bref Nick. Time to admit your King Kingsbury take

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Speaker 2: is a category three.

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Speaker 1: It might be he maybe learned, maybe he listen. He

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Speaker 1: was he was not a good head coach in college.

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Speaker 1: He was not a good head coach at U Arizona.

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Speaker 1: But maybe he's he's been an excellent offensive coordinator for Washington,

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Speaker 1: and I do think he's gonna get another head coaching job.

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Speaker 1: But this is a great year for him. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go on to Monkey.

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Speaker 2: I guess bear if there. He also added, is it

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Speaker 2: more Jayden than him?

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Speaker 1: Well, he listened. Jayden certainly helps, but he helped Jayden. I

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Speaker 1: think Caleb would have had a far better year than

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Speaker 1: he had this year if he had Cliff Kingsbury instead

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Speaker 1: of the coaching situation he had. So Cliff gets credit.

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Speaker 2: It's fair. Monkey says this takes on takes is so necessary.

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Speaker 1: Very well, that's not. Well, listen, We're gonna try to

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Speaker 1: do more of it. I don't want to listen. I

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to always be like picking fights. So

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Speaker 1: I will also try to find some Yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: a spot for you and so uh so I will

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Speaker 1: also try to do some Hey, I saw this and

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Speaker 1: thought it was really good. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: A little balance balance. Yeah, all right, let's do Eric

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Speaker 1: and then get out of here.

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Speaker 2: Eric says Bronni is getting undue criticism for a fifty

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Speaker 2: fifth pick, But was he not getting undue praise slash

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Speaker 2: coverage for his draft position too?

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, no, I don't know that he was getting

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Speaker 1: undue praise, but obviously he got more coverage than every

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Speaker 1: second round pick in the NBA history combined. But that

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Speaker 1: is I don't look at those as hand in hand.

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Speaker 1: I would look at it as coming into the draft,

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Speaker 1: people were like Bronni and bron gonna be an unstoppable duo.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna change the Lakers' fortunes. Then this level of

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Speaker 1: like vitriol and criticism would be to me more warranted.

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Speaker 1: But there was none of that. It was a lot

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Speaker 1: of coverage. It wasn't a lot of oh my god,

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Speaker 1: this guy's gonna be amazing. I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 1: anybody was more optimistic, so to speak, or positive about

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Speaker 1: Bronni than I was. And I will admit, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm biased to a degree there. And I said, the

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Speaker 1: goal is that in one to two years maybe he

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Speaker 1: can be a role player. That was like the hot

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Speaker 1: the top end of the optimism. I'm surrounding it all right,

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Speaker 1: like rate, subscribe, review some really cool stuff. Also, next

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Speaker 1: week gonna be doing a live show from New Orleans,

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Speaker 1: so that'll be great. Uh, see you guys there first thing,

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Speaker 1: first and a few hours. Great job, Demons, a great job.

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Speaker 1: Everybody will trade