WEBVTT - Jason Smith

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Smith of Missouri, as chairman of the House Ways

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<v Speaker 1>and Means Committee, which was responsible for drafting tax legislation,

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<v Speaker 1>had a chance to ask him how the new tax

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<v Speaker 1>legislation is going to change the way the economy operates.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the overall bill itself. Now, the bill

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<v Speaker 1>has passed the House Ways and Means Committee. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>need to get a rule from the Rules Committee, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you take it to the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the way it works?

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty close to that.

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<v Speaker 4>Since we're using the rules of reconciliation, which is a

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<v Speaker 4>tool to help the Senate get the fifty one votes

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<v Speaker 4>to pass pass any legislation, there's certain parameters that we

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<v Speaker 4>have to fall under. We had to pass the Budget resolution.

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<v Speaker 4>The Budget Resolution was passed by both the House and

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<v Speaker 4>the Senate, and it gave us specific instructions. And within

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<v Speaker 4>that budget resolution, it instructed eleven different committees in the

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<v Speaker 4>House of Representatives. Ten of the eleven have marked up.

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<v Speaker 4>The last one is finishing up right now, the ad Committee,

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<v Speaker 4>And once all eleven are done their bills that they

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<v Speaker 4>marked up, it goes to the Budget Committee.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about how we got to where we

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<v Speaker 1>are today in coming up with the bill that you

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<v Speaker 1>have passed through the committee. Did you meet with the Treasury,

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<v Speaker 1>with the Senate Finance Committee people, and the President from

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<v Speaker 1>time to time? And how regularly did you meet with

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<v Speaker 1>these people?

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<v Speaker 4>So we had the Big Six meetings, which was referred

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<v Speaker 4>to as the Speaker of the House, the Leader of

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<v Speaker 4>the Senate, so mister Thune, also Chairman Crapo of the

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<v Speaker 4>Finance Committee, myself, It had Kevin Hassett economic advisor, and

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<v Speaker 4>then also the Treasury Secretary of Besson, and so the

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<v Speaker 4>six of us met quite often. Typically it's about every

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<v Speaker 4>week to two weeks, and we've been doing that for

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<v Speaker 4>several months right now, discussing different tax provisions. But in

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<v Speaker 4>regards to my counterpart over on the Senate side, Chairman Crepo,

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<v Speaker 4>we talk, our teams communicate NonStop, and we've been working

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<v Speaker 4>pretty well hand in glove.

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<v Speaker 1>President get involved too. Did you meeting the President in

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<v Speaker 1>the Oval office talk about the bill or how often

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<v Speaker 1>did that happen?

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 4>Our President is very accessible and he calls me when

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<v Speaker 4>he wants to talk tax or trade or some other

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<v Speaker 4>items that's within our committee's jurisdiction, and so I've met

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<v Speaker 4>with him several times. On this on this tax bill.

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<v Speaker 4>Twice in the last two weeks in the Oval office.

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<v Speaker 4>I shared with him the main priorities that he asked

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<v Speaker 4>us to deliver on, and what I could deliver on

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<v Speaker 4>and what I couldn't deliver on.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's go through some of those.

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<v Speaker 1>So the main thing that he wanted, I thought, was

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<v Speaker 1>to get the tax cuts that we'd had before extended

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<v Speaker 1>for corporations and for individuals, so individuals will have their

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<v Speaker 1>tax rate be the same as it's currently Is that right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 4>The first thing in his first priority was permanency of

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<v Speaker 4>his expiring two thousand and seven tax cuts, and some

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<v Speaker 4>of the main items that we're expiring was all the

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<v Speaker 4>individual rates would go up. This makes the current rates

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<v Speaker 4>that you're paying taxes right now will stay the current rates,

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<v Speaker 4>regardless of what tax bracket that you're in. The child

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<v Speaker 4>tax credit was going to be slashed in half. It

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<v Speaker 4>would have went from two thousand to one thousand. We

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<v Speaker 4>made permanent the two thousand dollars child tax credit, the

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<v Speaker 4>guaranteed deduction, which ninety one percent of Americans used to

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<v Speaker 4>file their taxes, that got doubled in twenty seventeen. It's

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<v Speaker 4>roughly fifteen thousand dollars per person right now, and we

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<v Speaker 4>made that permanent as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about things that President was famous for

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<v Speaker 1>morning and the bill No tax on tips. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>because people getting tips or paying a lot of taxes.

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<v Speaker 4>The idea of the no tax on tips to the

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<v Speaker 4>President was he was actually having dinner at one of

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<v Speaker 4>his properties in Nevada during the campaign and the waitress said,

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<v Speaker 4>can you not tax my tips? And that's where the

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<v Speaker 4>idea came from from a waitress in Nevada to the President.

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<v Speaker 3>And so what you know, what we've.

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<v Speaker 4>Done within this bill is to eliminate the tax on

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<v Speaker 4>tips altogether.

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<v Speaker 1>What about no tax on overtime? What if you take

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<v Speaker 1>care of that?

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<v Speaker 3>We did.

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<v Speaker 4>We eliminated no tax on overtime. It affects about eighty

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<v Speaker 4>million workers across the country. And we put special guidelines

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<v Speaker 4>both in no Tax on tips and overtime that it

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<v Speaker 4>can't be high compensated employees. For example, by definition within statute,

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<v Speaker 4>a high compensated employee as someone who makes more than

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred and sixty thousand dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 2>What about now?

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<v Speaker 1>President also talked about no tax on Social Security what

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<v Speaker 1>about that.

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<v Speaker 4>So within the rules of reconciliation, by statute, you cannot

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<v Speaker 4>touch social Security, and so we wanted to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>we delivered on this priority in reconciliation. And if you

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<v Speaker 4>want to know about the Social Security tax in like

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighty one, it was created that you were tax

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<v Speaker 4>free off your first twenty five thousand dollars for an

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<v Speaker 4>individual or thirty two thousand for a married couple, and

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<v Speaker 4>that hasn't changed in forty three, forty four years. And

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<v Speaker 4>so there is an item within the tax code that

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<v Speaker 4>you get an added standard deduction if you're a senior,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're sixty five years old or older. It's currently

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<v Speaker 4>about two thousand dollars that could be added on top

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<v Speaker 4>of your guaranteed deduction, and so we've increased that four

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<v Speaker 4>thousand dollars per person so that their deduction would be

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<v Speaker 4>six thousand. And that equates to anyone who makes less

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<v Speaker 4>than seventy five thousand dollars per person, so seventy five

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<v Speaker 4>for an individual or one hundred and fifty for a

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<v Speaker 4>married that they would not be paid any taxes on

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<v Speaker 4>their Social Security because of the tax cuts from the

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<v Speaker 4>income code.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the famous carried interest provision.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never heard of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I should disclose.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't collect carried interest the way I've structured my

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<v Speaker 1>affairs because I didn't like being criticized for it so much.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not a carried interest recipient any longer. It

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<v Speaker 1>is reporting the press that the President of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States likes to get rid of carried interest, and you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do.

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<v Speaker 2>That in this bill, So is he going to be upset?

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<v Speaker 4>So throughout this whole process, David, I've had to thread

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<v Speaker 4>a needle. We have one of the smallest majorities in

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<v Speaker 4>the history of Congress, both in the House and the Senate,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I can only lose three people in passing

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<v Speaker 4>this tax bill, and so trying to thread that needle

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<v Speaker 4>where people are in the extremes in all areas, whether

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<v Speaker 4>it's the green credits, whether it's salt, whether it's other

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<v Speaker 4>various tax provisions. Just trying to find that balance has

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<v Speaker 4>been what I've been striving and trying to to do

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<v Speaker 4>in this bill. In regards to carried interest, I got

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<v Speaker 4>a letter from thirty five different members of our Congress

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<v Speaker 4>for being committee chairman that was saying, do not put

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<v Speaker 4>this in the bill. We can't support the bill. It

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<v Speaker 4>was a priority. The President wanted it. The President had

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of priorities, and I delivered on most of them.

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<v Speaker 1>What about the other one which doesn't affect me, either

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<v Speaker 1>the sports stadium exemption or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that did that get in there?

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<v Speaker 3>Or what I delivered on that one?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So, but you're going to be fine.

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<v Speaker 4>You're going to be fine, David, because you've purchased the

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<v Speaker 4>team before it.

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<v Speaker 2>Takes Oh yeah, okay, good, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's only new owners.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, good. So I'm glad to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, I was thinking, oh, thanking, okay, thanks very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I saw it, which is a state and local

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<v Speaker 1>tax deduction. It was limited to ten thousand dollars. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you've increased its thirty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, we increased it three hundred percent because it was

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<v Speaker 4>currently ten thousand. Now it's at three three hundred percent increase.

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<v Speaker 4>It's thirty thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless you have a larger income than which case it

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<v Speaker 2>goes down a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's thirty thousand. If you make less than four

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<v Speaker 4>hundred thousand dollars. A year and then it starts phasing

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<v Speaker 4>back down to ten thousand. So we've we've tried to

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<v Speaker 4>find what is that that good spot. Even talking to

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<v Speaker 4>my ranking member, he's like, salts just salts an obstacle

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<v Speaker 4>for both parties in that sense.

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<v Speaker 3>And so.

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<v Speaker 4>We've checked numbers like I've I've got numbers from Treasury

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<v Speaker 4>and the irs of the different Salt congressional districts within

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<v Speaker 4>our conference, and this thirty thousand dollars cap that we

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<v Speaker 4>have under four hundred thousand will provide more than ninety

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<v Speaker 4>percent of every one of our SALT members districts coverage

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<v Speaker 4>under this.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a balance.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not everything that some of the SALT members want,

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<v Speaker 4>but I have members of our conference that doesn't even

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<v Speaker 4>think you should be able to deduct one dollar, let

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<v Speaker 4>alone thirty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's a fair balance approach.

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<v Speaker 1>When do you think the bill will actually become law?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it before the end of the year or before

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the Congress.

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<v Speaker 4>My goal is July fourth. I want the President to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to sign into law on July fourth. That's

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<v Speaker 4>my goal, and that's the president's goal.

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<v Speaker 2>You are from the Great state of Missouri, Missouri.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there any other all right?

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<v Speaker 1>And did you grow up in a city, a big

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<v Speaker 1>city like Saint Louis or something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>So the congressional district that I represent, David, my family's

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<v Speaker 4>called it home for seven generations. My hometown is less

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<v Speaker 4>than five people. It's called Salem, Missouri. It's the county seat.

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<v Speaker 4>The population of my county is only about sixteen thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is the main business of your district? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it farming?

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<v Speaker 3>Agriculture?

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<v Speaker 4>Agriculture without a doubt in manufacturing.

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up working on my grandparents farm.

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<v Speaker 4>My father was an auto mechanic, and so where I

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<v Speaker 4>lived was we had a single white trailer right next

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<v Speaker 4>to his auto repair business, which was just a two

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<v Speaker 4>bay unit, and my grandparents farm was three miles away,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I always spent the weekends, the summers, the

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<v Speaker 4>evenings working on the farm. And now I own that farm.

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<v Speaker 4>I purchased it when my granddad died.

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<v Speaker 2>But you decided to get into politics. So you went

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<v Speaker 2>to college.

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<v Speaker 3>Where University of Missouri in Colombia. Graduated with two degrees.

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<v Speaker 4>At twenty business administration emphasis finance and agriculture economics. And

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<v Speaker 4>then I went to law school three days later.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so you're a lawyer as well, but you

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<v Speaker 1>did not practice law.

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<v Speaker 4>I practiced law for just about a year and then

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<v Speaker 4>got elected to the Missouri State House when I was

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four. Was one of the youngest members in the

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<v Speaker 4>Missouri State House. I became the majority whip, the youngest

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<v Speaker 4>Speaker pro tem in Missouri's history, and then ran for

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<v Speaker 4>Congress at thirty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty two, So you got elected and what year did

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<v Speaker 1>you get elected Congress?

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<v Speaker 4>Initially it was June of twenty thirteen. I will never

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<v Speaker 4>forget my first day I got sworn in. My predecessor

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<v Speaker 4>was Congresswoman Joe and Emerson, and she led me down

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<v Speaker 4>to the floor. She was there when I got sworn

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<v Speaker 4>in entire with the Missouri delegation, and she's like, do

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<v Speaker 4>you know how to get back to your office, which

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<v Speaker 4>my office was her old office at that time in

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<v Speaker 4>the Rayburn House Office building.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, yeah, I can do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So okay, So now, how do you go from

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<v Speaker 1>being a young member of Congress to being the Waysey

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<v Speaker 1>Means Committee used to be Seniority?

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<v Speaker 2>How did you become the chairman of the Waysey Means Committee.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all about relationships.

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<v Speaker 4>I go back to that first day that when I

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<v Speaker 4>was sworn into office. My senator at that time was

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<v Speaker 4>Roy Blunt, and Roy Blunt pulled me aside and he said, Jason,

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<v Speaker 4>there's two.

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<v Speaker 3>Ways you can be effective in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 4>One you can be here for twenty years and just

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<v Speaker 4>build natural seniority, or two you can build relationships. And

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<v Speaker 4>so I made it a focus to schedule five to

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen minute meetings, coffees teas with every member of Congress

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<v Speaker 4>that would meet with me whenever I came up here,

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<v Speaker 4>because they all knew who I was, being the new

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<v Speaker 4>special election kid, but I didn't know who the other

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<v Speaker 4>four hundred and thirty four were. And so I just

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<v Speaker 4>started going through getting to know them, not asking for anything,

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<v Speaker 4>but just figure out where we have some common ground,

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<v Speaker 4>all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it used to be on seniority. You work your

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<v Speaker 1>way up up and then you become a chairman of

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<v Speaker 1>the committee. Now the members of each caucus decide who

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<v Speaker 1>they want to have. And so you ran for an

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<v Speaker 1>election as chairman of the Ways and Means Committee. I did,

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<v Speaker 1>and you got elected the last congress I did.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been elected twice now, as Chairman of the House

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<v Speaker 4>Ways and Means Committee.

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<v Speaker 3>I worked really hard.

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<v Speaker 4>I traveled to forty two of the fifty states, campaigning

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<v Speaker 4>for my colleagues and for candidates in eighty seven different

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<v Speaker 4>congressional districts. I did more than three hundred TV appearance

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<v Speaker 4>appearances trying to push the Republican message. And I met

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<v Speaker 4>with every one of the thirty plus members of the

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<v Speaker 4>Steering Committee multiple times, giving them the pitch of why

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<v Speaker 4>I should lead the Ways and Means Committee and under

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<v Speaker 4>what leadership I would lead on.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was your most effective argument for why somebody

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<v Speaker 1>from a farming district in Missouri should be the chairman

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<v Speaker 1>of the Ways and Means Committee at a relatively young age.

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<v Speaker 4>Believe that our party is not the party of seniority

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<v Speaker 4>or who's next in line, but it's the party who's

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<v Speaker 4>best for the job.

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<v Speaker 3>And I felt like I was the best.

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<v Speaker 4>Person for the job. That's why I was running for it.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't have wouldn't have done it. And I said

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<v Speaker 4>that if you elect me to be the chairman of

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<v Speaker 4>this committee, that the policies it's within the Ways and

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<v Speaker 4>Means jurisdiction, tax trade, healthcare, social security needs to be

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<v Speaker 4>the policies that reflect the priorities of the working class.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a product of the working class.

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up in a.

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<v Speaker 4>Single by trailer most of my life, and then we

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<v Speaker 4>upgraded to a double wide. My mother was a factory worker,

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<v Speaker 4>just so that we had health insurance. That's how we

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<v Speaker 4>made it by. But I am so grateful for how

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<v Speaker 4>I was raised, because it doesn't matter like what family

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<v Speaker 4>you're born into. If you get a quality education and

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<v Speaker 4>you're determined to work hard and not give up, you

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<v Speaker 4>can accomplish just about anything. And that's how I view

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<v Speaker 4>everything that I've done, whether it's becoming the Ways Means chairman,

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<v Speaker 4>or when I ran for Congress, there were twenty six

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<v Speaker 4>other Republicans that I had to beat out in order

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<v Speaker 4>to just become the nominee to take my predecessor spot.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you were elected chairman of the Weaseley Means Committee,

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<v Speaker 1>did you call your mother and explain it to her

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<v Speaker 1>and was she ecstatic or what did you say?

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Does she tell everybody her son is the chairman of

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<v Speaker 1>the Waisley Means Committee?

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<v Speaker 3>Or she doesn't she doesn't like people don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 3>My friends and neighbors don't care. It's so funny.

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<v Speaker 4>I woke up this morning with the text message from

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<v Speaker 4>a high school classmate who's a school teacher in my hometown.

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<v Speaker 4>She's like, why is your face continuing to pop up

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<v Speaker 4>on the TV?

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<v Speaker 3>Like are you important? I was like, no, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to call the President of United States?

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<v Speaker 1>How long does it take before you get a callback?

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<v Speaker 4>Most time when I call him, he answers, he's He

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<v Speaker 4>is the most accessible.

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<v Speaker 3>Executive I have or worked with.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll wake up in the morning sometimes from a text

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<v Speaker 4>message from the President at five thirty in the morning

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<v Speaker 4>and it's sent to me at like two thirty, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, oh, no, he knows I was sleeping, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's always working. He'll text you. I can text him.

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<v Speaker 4>He is so productive in regards to talking policy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that you've got this bill behind you, what is

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<v Speaker 1>the highest priority when you get the bill through the

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<v Speaker 1>House and the Senate and you've ultimately how he his

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<v Speaker 1>life worth ceremony?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it to deal with trade? Is that your next

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<v Speaker 2>big issue?

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<v Speaker 3>So multiple things.

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<v Speaker 4>We have to get this bill signed into law, delivered

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<v Speaker 4>for the American people, but after it's signed into law,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to hold I'm going to hold Treasury accountable

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<v Speaker 4>to make sure that they're implementing the tax bill how

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<v Speaker 4>Congress passed it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not always been fun.

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<v Speaker 4>That's going to be a big priority to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>that the tax codes implemented as the priority that we're

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<v Speaker 4>passing Congress.

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<v Speaker 3>But trade, trade is super poor.

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<v Speaker 4>Ninety six percent of the world's consumers are outside of

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<v Speaker 4>the United States. I represent a farming congressional district. We

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<v Speaker 4>were dependent on trade. We grow rice, corn, cotton, beef,

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<v Speaker 4>cattle in my district, and so we need more markets.

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<v Speaker 4>We need to eliminate those those non tariff barriers.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's suppose you have all this in the big bill,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's suppose it passes. The total cost of the

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<v Speaker 1>big beautiful bill, your parts and other things, is it

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<v Speaker 1>four trillion dollars or something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>It was the House number was you could not exceed

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<v Speaker 4>four and a half trillion, Yeah, trillion. And then they

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<v Speaker 4>had this ratchet item that if you didn't didn't make

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<v Speaker 4>two trillion dollars worth of spending cuts, it would ratchet

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<v Speaker 4>down to four trillion. And so our bill actually comes

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<v Speaker 4>in below four trillion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>But part of the Big Beautiful Bill is to have

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<v Speaker 1>the increase of the debt limit. Right now, we have

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<v Speaker 1>a debt limit that's pull more more or less, it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of expired a while ago. But you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>pass in this Big Beautiful bill as it a five

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<v Speaker 1>trillion dollar increase in the debt limit something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're right.

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<v Speaker 4>The debt limit, David expired at the first of the year.

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<v Speaker 4>We're operating under extraordinary measures right now is what they

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<v Speaker 4>refer to, and it's projected that will last us some

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<v Speaker 4>time in July.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we have to address that.

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<v Speaker 4>And part of the bill that we voted out a

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<v Speaker 4>committee increase the debt limit. It increased the debt limit

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<v Speaker 4>four trillion dollars, which was in the budget instructions that

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<v Speaker 4>we were required to do. The Senate instructions is higher

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<v Speaker 4>with a higher debt limit, and so that's one of

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<v Speaker 4>those things that I'm sure that is going to be

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<v Speaker 4>figured out throughout.

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<v Speaker 2>I just get rid of the debt limit completely.

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<v Speaker 1>We've raised it over ninety times since it first was

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<v Speaker 1>put into effect in the early part of the twentieth century.

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<v Speaker 1>We've never really complied with it, Why not just get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of it? I think President Trump said he would

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<v Speaker 1>like to get rid of it.

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<v Speaker 4>At one point I was about to say, you, David,

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<v Speaker 4>you and President Trump are exactly agreeing on that issue.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think there's a lot of members of both

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<v Speaker 4>parties that that view the debt limit as like a

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<v Speaker 4>very poison pill that individuals have to worry about, and

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<v Speaker 4>when you think about defaulting on US debt, that can

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<v Speaker 4>create a big problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, you think it's unlikely that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of the debt limit in this bill, We're

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<v Speaker 1>just going to increase it.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably.

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<v Speaker 4>I tell everyone, I've said this before the bills were

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<v Speaker 4>out there, is that pretty much everything's on the table

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<v Speaker 4>because we don't know what is needed to thread that

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<v Speaker 4>needle to get the votes. People will talk about different

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<v Speaker 4>tax brackets or whatever, and I would just say everything's

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<v Speaker 4>on the table.

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<v Speaker 1>Is your expectation the Senate will take your bill and

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<v Speaker 1>say it's really great and we're going to pass it,

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<v Speaker 1>or it's going to come back to you.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm sure they will make changes. We've been working

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<v Speaker 4>with Senate Finance. I've been meeting with numerous Senators have

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<v Speaker 4>been calling me telling me their priorities. We put a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of the senator's priorities in this bill.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is the best way to get something in

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<v Speaker 1>the tax bill? Or was the best way is it

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<v Speaker 1>to call you up personally? Text you certain lobbyists have accessed.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the best way to convince a member of the

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<v Speaker 1>Ways and Means Committee or the chairman put something in

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<v Speaker 1>the bill or take something out?

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<v Speaker 4>So I changed how we run the Ways and Means

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<v Speaker 4>Committee from my very first committee hearing. My first committee

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<v Speaker 4>hearing as chairman was not in Washington. We did it

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<v Speaker 4>in Petersburg, West Virginia, at a lumberyard, and we brought

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<v Speaker 4>in a restaurant owner, a coal miner, working moms, and

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<v Speaker 4>farmers just to hear of the issues that they were

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<v Speaker 4>facing in today's economy. I set up ten different tax

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<v Speaker 4>teams where I picked ten different members of my committee

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<v Speaker 4>to chair for over the last year, where they traveled

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<v Speaker 4>to more than twenty three different states themselves, had more

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<v Speaker 4>than one hundred and twenty site visits. They met with

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<v Speaker 4>stakeholders to listen to all items within the code, and

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<v Speaker 4>then we brought that all back.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's suppose I'm just a lobbyist. I have one provision.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it to wait outside your office and as you're

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<v Speaker 1>walking somewhere talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a very effective way?

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<v Speaker 3>Please don't.

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<v Speaker 4>What I do want to say is is we have

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<v Speaker 4>a three hundred and almost four hundred page bill, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure there's things that we may have not saw

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<v Speaker 4>all the facts in and when you hit one domino here,

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<v Speaker 4>it can really mess up some other dominoes.

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<v Speaker 3>I want.

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<v Speaker 4>I want any American who feels like that there's an

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<v Speaker 4>unintended consequence of what we're trying to do that we

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<v Speaker 4>may not be aware of, please let us know.

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<v Speaker 1>And are you ever thinking of running for a state

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<v Speaker 1>wide office? Would you ever consider running for the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>or the governorship.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't originally plan when I came to Congress that

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<v Speaker 4>I would be Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee,

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<v Speaker 4>and I've had such a great honor to do this.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to make a difference in the lives

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<v Speaker 4>of the people who have trusted me and sent me

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<v Speaker 4>to Washington, and so I haven't really planned ahead of

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<v Speaker 4>anything other than let's pass this one big, beautiful bill.

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