WEBVTT - Kings Stop Killing Kings 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:07.120 Yeah, that's what's going on. Yard Ship boy my Son. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:09.920 I'm here by myself today. I'm holding up the slack 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.320 for my co host our assisted to Mika Mallory. You 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.320 know that state of emergency book is fire. She's on tour, 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:18.919 she's doing a lot of things. We just left the 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.560 Freedom Rides Tours. Shout out to Black Voters Matter. We're 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.159 on tour with them, which we did three of the 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.120 seven cities and states that they did. Then we went 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.120 to d C and did action to end the Filipbuster, 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.199 you know which we got arrested. We did so much 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:35.839 stuff this week. It was a time in week and 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.559 now she's on the road. So let's give her some 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.640 prayers and make sure that you know she has traveling mercies. 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.160 But in the meantime, if boy my Son is here, 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:46.199 you know what, I'm gonna give you a couple of updates. Yes, 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.240 we did do the Freedom Rides tour and it was amazing. 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.640 Shout out to the Tasha Brown and everybody at Black 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:57.720 Voters Matter. It was a beautiful experience. You know. We 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:01.720 did um we did three different states. We did Atlanta, 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.960 we did South Carolina, and we ended off in d C. 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.520 In which we talked about the voting rights and how 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.640 they trying to push back our voting rights and how 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.000 is um imperative that we continue to show up and 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.240 it's imperative that we fight to make sure that our 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.360 rights are given to us. So that was a beautiful tour. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.440 Then Um, we went to d C prior to that 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.080 to do an action with my Until Freedom Family. Shoutout 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.759 to Um, Linda sars Or and Angelo Pinto on which 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.760 we went to end the Philipbuster, and shout out to 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.399 Stephen Green also, who was one of the organizers of 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.160 this action in which we we demonstrated in this civil 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:45.880 disobedience in d C in which we were arrested, and 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.200 and it made sense. Man. You know a lot of 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.600 times people like, oh, yeah, marching, what are y'all doing 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:55.680 all this for? You know, everybody has a role to play, 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:57.320 you know, and I say that all the time. And 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.120 in order to fight for civil rights, in order for 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.120 us to get the freedom, you know, all of us 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.240 to get everything that we say we want, there has 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.800 to be some level of sacrifice. So when we go 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.400 out there and we make a conscious decision that we're 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.880 gonna do civil disobedience, that we're gonna sacrifice our freedoms 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.400 because we don't know how the police are gonna react. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.720 There are times when the police are violent with us. 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.440 There are times when the police are respectful to us, 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.720 as times that we sit and selle for for long days. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.520 Then it's sometimes that we're saying there surely, so we 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.600 never know what to expect, you know, but we know 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.160 that in order to get some level of understanding, to 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.640 bring awareness and attention to these issues that we're fighting, 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.360 it takes that sacrifice. It takes us to be willing 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.960 to give our freedom, our bodies, in our life if 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.200 need be, to the cause. You know. So a lot 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.520 of people don't understand it, and like y'all don't understand 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.280 why are your march? Why do your protests? Because that 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.680 is the first that is the first form of awareness, 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.560 you know, in order for us, there's march, there's protests, 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.920 there's planning. Then then we need policy changes, you know, 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.520 we demand policy changes, and we continue and then there's 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:07.120 a worldwide call for policy changes. Change and freedom are 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.720 not free. They don't just happen, you know. People just think, oh, 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.799 you you know, it's I don't understand why you're doing this. Well, 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.920 maybe you don't understand. You know that people telling me 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.919 you're you know, I don't understand why you're still voting, 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.799 and I'm like, I don't understand why you're not voting. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.000 You know, it's it's bigger than the fact that our 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.760 ancestors just died for us to vote, you know, it's 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.120 our future needs these votes. If you are not involved 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.760 in the process of voting, but you still I say 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.000 this all the time, you're not involved in the process 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.400 of voting, but you still have to live under the regime, 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.560 under the policies, under the laws that are passed, and 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.440 those laws are still governing you, and you still are 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.600 governed by those laws, and you live by those rules, 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.360 and you have to participate in everything that we have 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.400 to participate. But you are not involved in the process 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:59.840 to elect the people who implement those laws. It is 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:05.040 insanity unless you have a real organized plan. If you 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:09.320 are not voting right, then you're not counted in the vote. 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.560 If you're not voting, then you are what they call 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:16.240 a low perplexity voter. They do not care about you. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.320 You are somebody who is not even on the table. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.480 You're not They're not thinking about your issues. They don't 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.640 care what it is that you want because you are 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:28.360 pretty much a ghost. So what happens is when candidates come, 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.480 they think about the issues of those people who they 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.920 know are voting. They want to appeal, They want to 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.560 figure out how do I attract those people who are 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.520 going to go to these polls. And if you are 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.480 not one of those, if you have never been one 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.720 of those, they are not trying to attract you. They 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.840 are not worried about your issues because they don't even 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.440 know what your issues are. And if you don't, if 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.760 you're not doing this and you're not sitting out with 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.800 a large number of constituents and people who are able 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.480 to vote, if you haven't put together and say, okay, 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:06.200 we have over five million people and we're not going 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.200 to vote, and all of us are saying we're not 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:13.080 voting right until these things happened. That makes sense to me. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.480 But you as an individual just saying I'm not voting 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:18.960 and you stupid for doing it. But you have no 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.839 collective plan, you have no unity, you have put nothing 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:27.120 together to combat the structure that is here, but yet 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.039 you still have to live in this structure. It makes 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:34.000 no sense. So yes, we went out there to advocate 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.320 for our rights to vote, to make sure that the 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.600 way they're rolling back the rights to vote in the 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.560 land and all the way through the South because of 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.840 what happened in this election, because the black vote was 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.160 able to turn the tide and switch this election around. 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:51.000 So now they want to do everything they can to 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.040 suppress the black vote. So we have to be intentional. 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.240 We have to be intentional. We we we see our power. 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.480 So now it's time for us to say, okay, we 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.560 got four years to get this. We got a little 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.120 less than four years right now, and to get this 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.720 together and say, okay, the next people that we elect 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:14.200 locally president, everything have to adhere to these causes. This 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.160 is what we need. We need this document, We need 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:23.080 these things to be on the first agenda. You know. 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.440 That's that's what we That is the process that we 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.040 should be in that we we've seen how we're able 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.760 to mobilize. We've seen that when we've turned out the vote, 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.120 what is able to do. Now it's time for us 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.200 to say, okay, we are collectively coming together as one 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.200 and we are demanding certain things happen in order for 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.680 us to even have a candidate and and actually we 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:47.120 can create our own candidate when we have those principles, 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.000 when we have what it is that we want, now 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.480 we can sit and say, Okay, this person right here 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.640 is who we want to represent us, and we're gonna 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.880 put all of our energy behind that person because they 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:00.200 fit the mode of exactly this that we want. But 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.600 just not voting and saying it's you you're doing something 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.320 about not voting makes no sense. It just doesn't make sense. 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.920 And anybody who's trying to tell you that just not 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.680 voting without doing something else, So creating something else to 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:18.560 combat the structure, it's doing something. They're lying to you, 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.880 you know. So that's what we did, man, we did. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.680 We had a whole weekend, a lot of things coming up, 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.600 you know. So I want you to stay tuned once 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.320 again to meet us on tour. But she will be 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:36.600 back soon. This episode is one that's really dead to me. Um. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:40.400 It's called King Stop Killing Kings. It's a it's an 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.920 initiative that I started right after the death of the 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.640 late Great Nipsey Hustle. You know, he was, as we know, 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:52.840 he was killed by another black man, and just thinking 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:56.400 about that spark something in me and I did a 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.800 rally in the Bronx which brought out a lot of people, 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.960 and shortly after that we went to New Jersey and 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.520 did the same thing where to Baltimore did the same thing. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.040 Then we did another one in in New York again. 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.400 So you know, it's something that I've been intentional about, 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.560 you know, really trying to stop the violence in our communities. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.040 You know, I understand that poverty is violent, so I 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.320 understand what the root is. You know. They say, were 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.320 with their darkness that will be sin, But the guilty 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.920 one is not the one who commits the sin, but 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.400 it's he who creates the darkness, you know. And that's 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.000 just pretty much saying that the situations that we live in, 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:34.280 there's nothing else that can happen but violence, you know, 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.840 But we have to figure out a way to combat that, 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.840 to build out communities, to get the resources in our communities, 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.400 to change the mind state of our young kings, you know, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.400 and put them on the right track. So this episode 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:51.160 is pretty much dedicated to that. You know. Um my 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.160 brother Prince Map is gonna show up today and he's 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.120 somebody that I really look up to. Man brother from 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:02.000 Queens who actually was a shooter you know. And he 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.599 wasn't call straeted. He did twenty years for taking a 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.440 life um and since he's been home after the twenty years, 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:12.640 he's a complete three sixty. He's been invested in preventing 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:16.120 violence in the communities, mentoring these young kids, you know, 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.920 and he is the head of community and culture at 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:24.000 Citizens and he's somebody that we really need to hear for. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.880 I say all the time that those directly impacted have 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.080 to be the ones who create the solutions. So you know, 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.760 he's gonna be on. We also have another one of 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:37.000 our brothers, shan Duke mcfadah, who is the founder of 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:42.440 g MAC and his gangsters making astronomical community changes. And 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.840 he's another brother who was in the streets. He's he's 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.640 a gang member, still a game member, but he utilizes 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.520 his influence for positivity and to take the guns out 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.520 of the hands of the shooters and employed the gang 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:59.760 members and give them positive, you know, structures because originally 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:05.520 we know is that gangs were originally started to combat 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:09.000 police violence in our communities. They were about brotherly love 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.880 and protecting our communities. And he's one of those brothers 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:16.360 who are putting those principles back into it the gangs means. 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.520 So we're gonna hear from him, and you know, we're 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.560 gonna have an excellent episode, man, So make sure that 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:25.520 you tune in and we're gonna be right back. Welcome 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.439 back to this episode of Street Politicians. We we labeled 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.280 this episode King Stopped Killing King's Episode UM. We were 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:37.200 originally supposed to interview Miss Jenkins, who was a woman 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.280 who lost all three of her children to gun violence, 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:45.199 but unfortunately due to UM some circumstances that she had 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:48.320 to deal with. Originally, she had got a call from 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.599 an officer who had some leads in one of the 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.080 murders of one of her children, which she became very 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.439 emotional and couldn't do the interview. And then we've been 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.839 trying to connect but she's still work and she's still 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.760 dealing with a lot of things, but she definitely wants 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.920 to do the interview. So we'll definitely take time to 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.520 do that interview in the near future. But you know, 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.600 we still have someone who I feel is very dead 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.360 to this work, someone who I see as a brother 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:19.880 of someone who is a community UM activists, who is 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:24.320 who speaks from experience, who speaks from, you know, a 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.440 place of being very genuine. You know, someone who since 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.400 I met him, he's been the same way. His his 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.320 will and his wanting to do this work and to 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:38.120 do something to change his community is something that's like 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.560 none other. My brother, his name is Prince Matt. He 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.360 is the head of Community and Culture at the citizen At. 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.240 Welcome brother. How are you doing today? But I'm good man. 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:52.920 Thanks for having me, Mice well, thanks for being him man. Um. 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.079 Like you know, I always tell you, Man, I appreciate 0:11:55.120 --> 0:12:00.000 the work you do, you know, understanding the circumstances, understand 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.280 where we come from and how it's difficult it is 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:07.000 to change, and watching you be a leader in that change, 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:11.319 watching you, you know, reflect what it really looks like 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.680 to come from the community and protect the community and 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.320 grow and evolved. Man, You're somebody that I respect, you know, 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.400 and I just want to give your flowers or you're here. Man. 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.080 The work that you're doing in the way that you evolved, 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.880 this is nothing short of admirable. I appreciate that. So 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.400 before before we start, if I may, I would like 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.080 to Um send my send an apology to Miss jenkins 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.440 Um from being a victim of gun violence and also 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.880 a perpetrator gun violence. UM, where I spend half my 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.160 life in prison for I want to personally apologize for 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.560 the shooter because she may not never get that, you 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.640 know what I'm saying, Um, she may not never get 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.880 that that that that genuine apology that's come from a 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.199 shooter for those who killed her three sons, and for 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.920 anyone who has been a big them of gun violence, 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.600 I personally print, I personally apologize for every last one 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.079 of them, for a lot of them do not know 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.720 them the consequences and the hurt and pain and trauma 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.600 that they have cause. So before we even start anything, 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.640 I'm gonna take for responsibility because I played a part 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.040 and its violence in America. I played a part in 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.839 gun violence specifically in America, and I want to take 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.880 a first say I apologize for them and many more 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.080 to come. So before we start that, man, I want 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:33.200 to give my my my utmost condoses to Miss Jennison 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:38.120 and her family. Well, and that's it's things like that. Brothers. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.120 Why I admire you and I look up to you, 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:41.920 and I wanted to have you on this show because 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.320 you know, like you said, you work in the field 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.680 of gun violence. And you actually have been a perpetrator 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.760 of gun violence, and you understand both dualities. You understand 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.600 the reality that the shooter has, you understand the reality 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:57.880 that someone who is not the shooter has, and you've 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:02.240 been able to, um to see both sides. You know. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.120 You you spent, like you said, you spend half for 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.400 your life in prison. Could you give us a little 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.560 you know, tell us about that situation and how that occurred. 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.319 Of course, UM just bottom line as I was a coward, 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.120 you know, UM, I made a coward that you know. 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:20.280 I UM, I could fight with my hands, but I 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.960 was much more tougher when I walked around every day 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:24.760 with a gun on my waist, you know what I mean. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.160 It made me feel powerful. It made me feel invisible, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.840 you know what I'm saying. And I was shot twice 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.680 in South Jamaica Queens on both in robbery attempts. The 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.000 last time or a shot from my chain, and it 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.280 wasn't it wasn't um if I was gonna shoot somebody 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.440 or kill somebody, it was winning, you know what I mean. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.040 So when I got shot a second time, you know, 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:45.920 I started to get a lot of feedback from people 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.560 in the community. But it wasn't really like the same 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.200 prince you need to go retality. It was like I 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.360 was making stories up in my head that they wanted 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.480 me to go retality. They wanted me to do something 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.760 to show that I was tough, and I say I 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.800 was a coward and beginning because it was a coward act. 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.480 You know what I'm saying, Because no one, no person, 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.960 no matter what the circumstances, deserves to lose their life 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.680 over anything. You know what I'm saying. Real men talk 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.160 things out. And I took the cow away out. I 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.800 pulled the gun out and I shot somebody five times 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.440 and I took his life, you know what I'm saying. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:20.480 And I paid. I paid my debt society, you know, 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.760 but I can never repay my debt to the family, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.320 you know what I'm saying, because I took a life 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.280 I took. I took someone from them that they're never 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.480 gonna see again. You know, I get to see my children, 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.600 I get to see my grandson, you know what I'm saying. 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.120 So I end up spending eighteen years in prison. But 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.960 you know, I don't want to justify for my behavior. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.280 But I wasn't educated, you know, I did lack of resources. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.840 I didn't have opportunities you know, I'm saying that that 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.080 was presented to me that I have today, you know 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.360 what I mean. And those things, those elements of my 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.880 life um propelled me to make terrible decisions, you know 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.240 what I'm saying. It wasn't an accident on my part. 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:57.680 Accident is like driving a car and having a class. 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.560 And it wasn't an accident. My act was intentional, you 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.200 know what I'm saying. So it was a bad decision 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.760 on my part, mice and I regretted to this day, 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.440 you know, and and spending eighteen years in prison. And 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.200 I want to be clear about something because a lot 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.200 of people come on your show and they say these 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.960 things like they spend time, but you know, and it 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.960 rolls over their tongues so easily. Eighteen years. I don't 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.720 want you to think about eighteen years and years, months 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.080 old days thinking about eighteen years and seconds, that's how 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.960 long it is. There's something about the clocks in prison 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.680 that you hit every tick on the clock, you know 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.520 what I'm saying. So think about doing that time in 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:35.400 seconds and then when it would when did you come 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.280 to a point where you used to be disgusted with 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.520 the life who lived and started to change because my 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.480 chain started in prison. I didn't change when I came 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.720 home because I I didn't want to be the same 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.440 person I was when I left. I left uneducated. I 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:50.080 left um not take care of responsibilities. I left destroying 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.440 my community. I sold crack to pregnant women. I sold 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.480 crack to family members. You know what I'm saying. I 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.360 did the most disgusting things in my life, you know 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.600 what I mean. So every day I'm gonna live. I 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.880 wanna be intentional. Every day I want to try to 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.920 get back and this is why I wake up every 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.280 day and I try to stop at least one kid 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:14.160 from losing his life. Man speaking speaking of such man Um, 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.080 you've been working with you know, it's a video that 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.679 went viral with a young man who was chasing a 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:26.520 young man down and he felt buy some children and 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.720 the young man still was was shooting him like right 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:34.280 with the kids there just disregard, you know, and you've 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.680 been working with one of them. I don't know exactly 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.280 what wood family of that situation. How is that? How 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.920 was that been again? That's the coward that I talked about. 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:46.520 You know what I mean, that's the coward that I 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:48.840 speak up. That was me. You know, we no reglf 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.439 of human life, you know what I'm saying. And when 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:52.240 you got that gun, you're not even thinking, You're not 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.879 even thinking. I'm actually working with the two children and 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.400 their family, you know what I'm saying. Because the ten 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:01.160 year old girl, her name is me, she went missing 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.639 like two weeks before that happened, and citizen played a 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.040 part in bringing a home. So the father became close 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:10.840 with me, you know what I'm saying because he said that, 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:12.760 you know, we played a part of bringing his daughter home, 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.600 and we was someone that he respected a lot because 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.040 no one else will helping find his daughter. And me 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:19.560 and a couple of friends of mine, we were looking 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.400 for his daughter, and a friend of mine actually helped 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.200 him find his daughter, the same little girl who covered 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:28.160 her little brother Christian in that shootout. So what we've 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.440 been trying to do is, you know, um um cover 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.480 them without protection and make sure that they're protected, make 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.600 sure they're not being exploited, you know, because all of 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.639 these news meetings and stuff there trying to exploit them 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.199 and use them for different purposes instead of trying to 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.000 relocate them out of the Bronx where they live. They 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.040 need to be relocated. They need to be they need 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:50.000 to be given other opportunities because this girl has seen 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.520 so much already. And then she was in the middle 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.760 of a shootout where she took that she had more 0:18:55.840 --> 0:19:00.000 courage than I will ever have while covering her little 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.760 brother and making sure that he wasn't shot, willing to 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.960 sacrifice how long her own life at ten years old. 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.040 So I work closely with them, trying to make sure 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.639 that we can, you know, relocate them. Um, the Yankees 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:14.440 did something nice for them, put them in the sky box. 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:15.639 But I said, you know, don't put them in the 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.359 sky box. Put them in a scott scraper. You know 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:20.840 what I'm saying. Don't put them in the sky box 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.560 to a game. And put them in in the same 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:24.560 building you live in and let them. Let them live 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.280 a great life for the rest of their life. She 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.240 already sacrificed her life, that's right, you know what I'm saying. 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.480 So that's that's why I worked with now the the 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.280 young the young brother. He was arrested, you know, and 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:35.800 I pray for him, you know what I mean. I 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:37.600 pray for his family. You know what I'm saying because 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.320 a lot of times that the cities that we make 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.240 are not based on our own thoughts and our own decisions. 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.040 They're based on influences from the outside. And a lot 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.720 of times we think that people wanted to do things 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.600 and they're not even thinking about you know what I'm saying. 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:54.399 So he felt that he needed to do that, He 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.520 felt that he needed to kill this young this other 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:59.760 young man, you know what I'm saying, And and now 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.359 he's gonna spend a lot of time in prison for 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:06.000 being reckless. Mike, I want you to think about something. 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.680 In every community, in every black and brown and under 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.800 resource community, we can almost tell who we're gonna be 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.639 raising money for for their from room next and every 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:22.720 single community in your hood. It's unfortunate, Mice, you know 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:24.120 what I'm saying. And I say this from en buying 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.000 my heart. It's unfortunate that you've been riding your hood 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:31.399 and know who you're gonna be raising money for to 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.040 bury one day, you know what I'm saying. So if 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.280 we know this right, and we know that we're gonna 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.640 this guy is active and we're gonna be raising money 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.440 to bury them because we know you don't got life insurance, right, 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.120 and we know this, Why we can't raise the same 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.720 money to change his life while he's alive, you know 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.760 what I'm saying. And the police, the police alone have 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:53.560 this intel, mice. They know who's active, who's doing this, 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:55.440 who's doing that, and they know they're gonna be picking 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:56.920 them up and put him in the body back soon. 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.760 Why they don't use the same intel to change this 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.399 person's life because it's not the goal, Prince, the prince. 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.520 The goal is they need purpose, they need collars, right. 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.280 So they see a third team four toyod kid they 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.200 see is on the road to this and rather than 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.960 give them different opportunities and and change the scenario, give them, 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:19.120 you know, a different perspective. They watch them and then 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.800 they interact with them to what they make them feel like, 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.440 you know, you're a criminal already. And and they watch 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.600 it and they just and they just playing cat and mouse. 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:28.800 They're just waiting for them to slip up. They just wait, like, 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:30.400 we know what you're gonna do this because we see 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.080 the trajectory on. They don't want to invest no moneys 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:36.000 in the community to make sure that those kids right there, 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.560 you know, are redirected, you know, and the energy that 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.680 they have, which is usually just lying energy that's been 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.960 misdirected and pointed in the wrong direction. You know, they 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.159 don't point it and give it to something else. They 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.159 don't they don't give them something else to give that 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.439 energy too, because it's intentional. They want to lock you up. 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:55.600 They building jails for our kids. I say that all 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:57.560 the time. They're not building jails for me and you 0:21:57.560 --> 0:21:59.800 because they know we're not going back to jail. They 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:01.919 know that they're building jails for our kids, the new 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.720 jails just for our kids. And that's why we're the 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.000 most dangerous to them, you know what I'm saying. That's 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:10.160 why that's why I fight with people on your post 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:11.560 all the time. You know what I'm saying, those are 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:15.119 the ones that are the most dangerous. Like so, for 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:17.439 first of all, we have to identify who are the 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.840 higher risk. The higher risk are the people who stopping 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.479 people like me and you from eliminating those higher risk 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:25.960 in the visions. You know what I'm saying, those people, 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.600 that's that's trolling, that's saying these nasty commas. That's allowing 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:33.080 people to you know, build a momentum. So we can't 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.199 do the work that we want to do. Don't forget. 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.040 I have a whole time job. So everything I do, 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:39.920 I do it on my own time, you know what 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.000 I'm saying. And I do this because I do not 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:44.920 want to want to bury my nephews. I don't want 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.120 to bury my grandson. You know what I'm saying. I don't. 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:49.080 I don't want to bury nobody. I don't want to 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.080 bury nobody's there's nobody grandsons. So I go extra hard 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:53.400 with this, you know what I'm saying. But you've got 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:56.960 so many people that fight against the truth, and the 0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.240 truth is the same money that we raised to bury them, 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:01.320 we could give these get the same money while they allive. 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:05.040 We get the same opportunities while they alive, you know 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:07.000 what I'm saying. And they don't want you to do that. 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:13.400 They don't want you to save lives in lives, that's 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:17.280 the goal. You know, what what do you think us? 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:19.800 You know, we understand the powers that be, we understand 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:22.880 the structure, we understand the system, we understand how everything 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.359 is good towards and either imprisoning us or watching us 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.880 going in engraves, what do you think that we need 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:33.880 to tell the people like us, the people in the communities, 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:37.000 the quote unquote O g s, the ones, the gangsters 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:39.480 and what what what? What message? How how do we 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:43.840 get through to them that they have a responsibility to 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.040 leave these kids in a different direction, If they have 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:50.600 a responsibility to give these kids opportunities and chances and 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.159 things that they didn't have so they don't make the 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:55.399 same mistakes, how do you how do you think we 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:58.639 relate that message? What do you think we need to do? So? 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:00.639 I read this book when I was when I was 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:03.800 teaching at the New School UM. I think it was 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.000 called Teens Who Hurt Right, and they spoke about I 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:08.520 think it's Tracy lash Wealth and Kennem Haudio or something 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:11.920 like that, and then talking about UM a thing called 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:15.280 vc'all not to be show that we know about as validation, 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:19.480 challenge and requests right, and a lot of the ogs 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:21.879 in our hood are being validated for the growing things, 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:24.840 you know what I'm saying. So we could validate them, 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:26.800 but when they start to do the right things and 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:29.359 we start to validate them, we could validate them and 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:32.880 give them that, you know, that power that they need 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:36.120 to make what we're talking about trending, just like they 0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:38.400 make tight pains trending. Or we we we we could 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.119 make peace trending. You know what I'm saying, Just like 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:43.200 they make tight pains trending. The ogs have the ability 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.320 to make peace trending and to make you know, um 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:50.359 um cleaning our neighborhoods trending. Because they love validation. They 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:52.119 could be part of a cleanup in the hood. If 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.080 they could be part of a running the corner in 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:55.919 their name in the hood. We don't have to we 0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:57.679 don't have to be out there. We could give it 0:24:57.760 --> 0:24:59.840 all to them. They could do everything that you're doing. 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:02.520 They can do. You don't have to do it, you 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:04.800 know what I'm saying. But we gotta give them that 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:08.800 that validation. Then we have to challenge them. We have 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.160 to challenge them because you can't live on you can't 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:14.840 live on both sides of the narrative. Either you want 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:17.000 to save your community and health the community, or you 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.840 want to continue to destroy. You can't go to the 0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:23.199 doctor to get poison, you know what I'm saying, And 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:25.280 that's what we're going to the doctor they get poison. 0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:29.159 And now we gotta make a request. We gotta, we 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:32.679 gotta challenge these corporations. We gotta challenge these big you know, 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:36.399 people get killed over with Jordan's, they get killed over nikes, 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:38.639 they get killed over deaders, they get killed over I phones. 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:41.879 We gotta challenge these big corporations to to to funnel 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.480 some of that money that we spend not much. How 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:46.439 how easy they get up to a hundred hours ago 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:48.040 get the new I phone when it comes out. But 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:51.280 App we ain't even thinking about coming to the communities. Mhmm. 0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.159 You know what I'm saying. A kid will go crazy 0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.400 to get that tors he will scam, he will still, 0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.080 he would rob, he would kill to get an I phone. 0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:01.879 But Apple will not coming to the community and change 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.680 that change life. So we gotta we gotta, we gotta 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:08.640 have the ogs in questions. Yeah, and I think that's 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:10.600 that's what it is for me. You know, I started 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:14.000 this campaign called boycott and black Murder, and it's based 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:16.440 on that. It's you know, it's us being set in 0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:20.320 the trend, like you said, like they want validation from us, right, 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.840 so we we we dictate what cool is, you know 0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:27.480 what I'm saying. Somehow we make we made the negative, 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.760 the murder and the violence cool that that's what validated you. 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:33.399 That was your right to passage if you wasn't somebody 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:35.919 who was notorious or savage like these is words that 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:39.320 we use to describe us, all types of derivator, monster, 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.919 and all types of names that are negative connotations to 0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:46.199 describe us. And that's some level of validation. So what 0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:48.680 I say is we have to we have to utilize 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:54.520 that same you know, the same method and make being unified. 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:57.040 Make the person the gangster person is the one who 0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.600 stopped somebody from shooting. You know, when you when you 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:02.800 that's what you respected. You respected when you protect your community. 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:05.639 That's what we're given accolades to. That's the people you 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:07.919 want to respect. That's the one who's lit. You know, 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:10.040 when you walk in your community and the old ladies 0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:12.119 respect you and they're happy to see you because they 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.080 don't feel threatened that you're gonna do something to you. 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.439 That you're not a master, that you're a king, and 0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.280 that you're general and you're a true soldier, the true soldiers. 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:24.000 You know, a real warrior never wants to after actually 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:26.920 have to engage in war. That's the truth, that is 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.280 the true measure of a warrior. That if the one 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.080 who is fully prepared but never has to engage in 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.200 war is probably the best warrior ever. I read that 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.480 is a Chinese proverb. And you know, and and that's 0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.000 what we have to We have to retrain because we 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:42.480 were taught wrong. So we gotta start retraining these kids, 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:44.960 so they start teaching to each other in his past, 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:48.280 out of generations, because somewhere along the way, you know, 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.879 we we were glorified and and and love violence and 0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:57.800 negativity so much that it has become embedded in our culture. Yes, 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:01.440 so so, Mike. So this year, actually, you know, um, 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:07.760 I studied the Cure violence model, and you know it's 0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:12.639 it's about detecting behavior and and um changing community norms 0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:14.840 and things of that nature. Right, And this year I 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:18.399 took a different approach to violence. I actually started to 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:23.280 identify high risk through and through a different limits. First 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:25.159 of all, in my language, there's no such thing as 0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:27.639 higher risks under resource. That they had resource, they wouldn't 0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:30.720 be high rich, right. But the high risk individuals are 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:33.879 the ones are are not the ones who are actually 0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.160 committing the crown because only a small percentage of people 0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.239 in our neighborhoods is doing these crimes. As doing these 0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:41.480 shooters right, the high risks are the ones that's listening. 0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.760 We need to start reaching to the ones that's listening, 0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:47.040 the ones that's in school, the ones that's trying to 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:50.400 get a job, because they're so easily manipulated and and 0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:53.600 can easily be forced into a life that they don't 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:55.960 want to being. They are the higher risk because they 0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.520 got to prove a point. I was just tolking somebody today. 0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:00.720 I'm not gonna say no names, but he's a gangster, 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:04.719 but he's privileged. You know what I'm saying. Mice, he's 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:06.720 he's a he's a ga, you know him. You know 0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:10.000 what I'm saying. He's a gangster, but he's privileged, you 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.360 know what I'm saying. And he doesn't want to look 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:14.600 at his privilege. And I told us that. I say, brother, 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:18.240 you have to identify who you are first. I'm not 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:22.240 seeing you're not tough, but I understand that your privilege 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:24.240 and that the people that you're hanging around were being 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:28.400 tough with, do not have that privilege. They don't have 0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:30.640 someone to buy them a car, they don't have someone 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.080 to put them in the new house, they don't have 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.520 someone to get them stuff. When they when they're home 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.440 with you know what I'm saying, So I need you 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:39.560 to identify that first, that is the high rist individual 0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:43.240 right there. M the ones that's listening who can be 0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:47.760 easy manipulated and to becoming a shooter. Because unfortunately Mice 0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:50.080 and and and I, it took me a while to 0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:52.600 come to this delusion. The shooters are going to cancel 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:56.880 themselves out, and we gotta start reaching out to the 0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:59.240 ones that are listening, the ones that are doing well 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:01.680 in high school, the ones that want to play ball 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.000 in high school, the ones that want to become engineers. 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:05.800 So we gotta start reaching out to them because they 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.520 are really the high risk. They are the ones that 0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:13.440 can really become very very treacherous in our neighborhoods because 0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:18.600 they're smart. They listen and they calculate their moves. You 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:21.880 know what I'm saying. The unfortunate dummies, the ones that 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.720 that's not listening does that's just out there recklessly shooting 0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:27.000 that kids and stuff like that. They're gonna see how 0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:30.200 you canceled themselves out. That's unfortunate, what that happens. We 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:33.440 have to reach the ones that's listening right now because 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:35.520 I just always trying to reach out the ones that 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:37.719 ain't listening enough of pads, this and that, And I'm like, 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.959 it's like beating a dead horse because they're they're gonna do, 0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:45.440 They're already there. A risk is trying to avoid some 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.920 of them happening. So with HIV, to avoid the risk 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:50.920 is using condoms, you know what I'm saying. But once 0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:52.680 you've got HIV, you know on the high risk, you 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:56.200 got it. So once you were a shooting, you a shooter. 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:58.680 So you gotta reach the ones that can become shooters 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.320 and nasty. That should be the approach, that should be 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:06.440 the model, that should be the new task. It makes 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:08.120 sense to me. I say that all the time, And 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.840 I said, you know, we talked about defunding and police 0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:15.280 and police police, community community police, and and that's what 0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:19.480 our job is. Our job is too, you know, to 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.720 be able to detect those people and see those and 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:26.040 and you know, intercept those situations because a lot like 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.360 you know, I know a kid from my community who 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:32.000 was young and you know, unfortunately I've seen him sleeping 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:33.480 on the streets. So he was one of the most 0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:37.840 privileged kids in the community. And his mother father both 0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.240 had good jobs and He just wanted to be outside. 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:44.200 He wanted to be in the mix of everything. And unfortunately, 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.760 you know, the streets got the best of them, and 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.200 and it looks like somebody probably slipped him some k 0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:51.640 to or something, and he was he was he was. 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.320 He wanted to he wanted to be accepted by the culture. 0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:57.920 And that's what it is that the privileged ones, they 0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:00.000 want to be accepted by the culture. They wanted to 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.520 be seen as this tough guy. They want to be, 0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:05.600 you know, someone who is respected by the coaches so 0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:10.600 much that they become the most detrimental ones. So you're right, man, 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.160 We we gotta we just gotta get back to get 0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:16.560 the resources in our community, getting people like ourselves and 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:19.840 the younger the younger versions of ourselves in the community, 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:23.400 who people you know, understand and respect and understand that 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.680 we we pretty much been through what it is that 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:27.680 they've been through. You know, like I said all the time, 0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:30.840 those directly impact, They've got to be the solution. Man. 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:33.960 We can't. We can't have people who ain't been through 0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:35.880 that coming to the communities and talking to these kids 0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:38.040 because they don't want to hear it. Because I didn't 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:39.680 want to hear it. You wasn't gonna come to my 0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:43.040 community or be even in the community, and you wasn't 0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:46.680 in the level of you know what it is that 0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:48.640 I was doing and tell me not to do it. 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.280 You know, you was a square like you can't have 0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:53.440 a conversation with me. And I wish I would have 0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.760 been the square back then, and I wish I was 0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.640 the square, but understanding that the square just wasn't gonna 0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:00.640 get to me. You know what I'm saying exactly were 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:04.680 Black squeeze now, But but back then, we the people 0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:07.760 who who had never been involved at any level of 0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:10.200 these streets, wasn't gonna tell me what was going on 0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.760 because they couldn't identify, my mam, what it is that 0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:16.400 I was dealing with your mice before before I caught 0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:18.720 my time in prison, right I was. I used to 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.320 hang out in front of the building UM called American 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:25.840 Towers in Queen's Right, and I never forget it was. 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:29.000 He was a senator. His name was Malcolm Smith. He 0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:31.000 was like the first achieved, like the majority leader at 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.480 one time when Patterson and them was here and he 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.280 came to the building and he said, hey, guys, how 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:37.800 are you doing. My name is Malcolm Smith, I'm senator 0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:39.920 and my offices around the corner and let you guys 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:43.000 know that, Um, I'm gonna have some jobs for you guys, 0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:44.840 you know, saying, get you guys from instruction jobs and 0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:46.520 stuff like that. He said, Um, but I'm just gonna 0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.760 let you know that this is no longer going to exist. 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.040 And he was saying this, He was saying, like this 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.480 drug game, this building is gonna be shut down. We're 0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:58.600 gonna like fix this area. I said, if you don't 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:01.920 get the out of face and don't ever come back 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.560 around here again, you do, You're gonna have a problem. 0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:07.080 You know what I'm saying. And I didn't even know 0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.600 who I was talking to at the time until I 0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:13.920 was in Sinxing watching David Patterson do an address and 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.360 I see Michael Smith sitting next to him. You know 0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:19.799 what I'm saying. And how power like who he was 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.399 at the time, he could have just came in eradicated me. 0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:24.440 You know what it been took me. I wish you 0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:26.799 would have because I would have never quote my case. 0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:28.239 You know what I'm saying that. And you know, but 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.279 what we do not respect those who come to the 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:35.680 hood or come to our neighborhoods that you know don't 0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.839 understand what we're going to. You gotta have the right uniform, man, 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:41.960 you gotta come the people at the people and and 0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:45.759 they own't like they love you, Mike, and but they don't. 0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:49.439 They don't respect the fact that they're taking a non 0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.400 traditional way of doing things. You know what I'm saying. 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.239 They'd rather like, you know, and I say all the time, 0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:57.200 like your fifth coming to the hood and tell these dude, 0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.320 you'll come by. All the comes from them. You know 0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:01.399 what I'm saying. We got two hundred three hundred million, 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:03.120 Come by all the guns from them. When I say 0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:04.880 come by, the away comes from them. Come say yo, 0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:09.200 give me your guns right and his opportunity. They do 0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:11.560 these buyback programs and give you two hundreds for a gun. 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.279 I'm not giving you know, I'm not getting my gun 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.320 from two hundred hours when I can get six hundreds 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:17.800 of the block. Give him a thousand hours in the 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:20.480 job and a promise that you're gonna give hi an opportunity. 0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:22.560 I bet we have a whole bunch of guns in 0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:25.400 the back of the U haul truck. That's right, you 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:27.960 know what I'm saying. We gotta take more aggressive approaches 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:31.160 when it comes to gun violence. That's that's a real conversation. 0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:33.840 That's a that's a that's a whole episode. You know, 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:37.399 what what should be the responsibility of these hip hop 0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:41.440 artists that that claim to represent and be from my communities? 0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:45.520 What is their responsibility to protect, you know, instead of 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:47.640 these kids in the right direction. We can we can 0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:49.359 talk about this all day, but I love you, bro. 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:51.799 I just want you before we leave. I want you 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:55.840 to um if you if you had one word to 0:35:55.840 --> 0:36:00.120 say to a young boy, young shooter like yourself, you know, 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:03.560 like you were, you know you evolved into way more 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.600 than that. You know, somebody who was at the stage 0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:07.279 that you on. You had to sit down, You just 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.160 have one one minute to talk to What would you 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.960 what would you say to I would tell him that 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.080 Rickers Aland is a jail that's surrounded by water, right 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:21.080 mice and you know, to get the Ricker's Aland. Like 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:23.040 when I when I went from like Elmhurst to go 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:24.600 of course the bridge, it took me five minutes to 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.439 go across that bridge. Right when we shackle you feel 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:31.040 the turbunce going across that bridge. It took me five 0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:34.400 minutes to go across that bridge. Almost twenty years to 0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:39.280 get back to the other side. Mm hm. That short 0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.799 ride across the bridge, it took me twenty years to 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.200 come back to the other side. So if you can, 0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:46.400 that's the only thing you could do in your life 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:50.960 is when you wake up. It's be intentioned. Hey man, 0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:53.200 I appreciate you, bro. I love you, man. Oh Man, 0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:56.080 I love you, Mike. It's a it's a pleasure of 0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:58.239 just talking with you. I love you to death, man, 0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.000 and I'm gonna follow you to the end of the world. 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.839 Are all great. Keep doing what you're doing. Man, love 0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:08.520 you can't create. Appreciate you. Man. Shout out to my 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.680 brother Prince Matt. You see why he's somebody that I 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:16.440 respect and love. Man. His energy, his intelligence, his growth, 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:19.080 his evolution. You know that's one of my things, being 0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:23.160 an evolutionary and the way he's evolved into this person, 0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:26.040 this beacon of life, someone who's been there. And when 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:28.560 you look at him, you can see that he understands 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.920 the coach, he understands what you're dealing with. But you 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.600 also see that he's involved to a place where he's 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.040 able to give the message to those who really needed 0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:38.400 so shout out to my brother Prince matt Man for 0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:40.840 doing the work, for being a beacon of life, for 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:45.080 being somebody who's changed. Keep doing what you're doing. Now. 0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:49.440 We have prerecorded this because you know, originally we were 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:52.080 supposed to have Miss Jenkins on what she didn't so 0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:55.279 we wanted to pause it and hopefully she'll get back 0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:57.719 another day, but unfortunately weren't able to do it. So 0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.160 me and to me it have prerecorded the Ever, so 0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:03.279 in the next interview is gonna be with our brother 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:05.600 Shan Duke father and she will be present. And I 0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:07.680 want you to pay attention to this one because this 0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:11.439 is another brother, another brother who was really outside making 0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:18.120 astronomical changes in his career. It's good to have Shan 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:21.040 Duke mcfadder of g MAC in Brooklyn, New York. I 0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.879 would change maker. That's right to come as our change maker. Um. 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:28.919 And also because Shan Duke deals with shooters every day, right, So, 0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:31.920 Shan Duke, we are happy to have you on Street 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.680 Politicians for the first time, but it won't be your last. 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:38.040 That's right, that's right, thank you, Yes, first time, not 0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:43.600 the last. What's going on? How are you feeling today? 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.200 I'm blessed Holly favorite. That's that's how it goes. You 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.560 know that. That was my brother famous favorite line, blessed 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.879 and Holly Favorite. So we always go with that every day, 0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:56.359 blessed and Holly Favorite. Amen. Man, that's I used that 0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.480 a lot all the time too. Man. So telling people 0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:02.719 give people some background on what what g MAX stands for. 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.160 With the work that you do, it's a little bit 0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:08.200 of background. Yeah, I got you. So, you know, in 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:11.120 this work, I realized I have to so often tell 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:13.040 who I am, what I've been through for people to 0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:16.160 understand how I'm capable of doing the work that I'm 0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:20.320 capable of doing. Pet in raised Brooklyn, Kings County Hospital, 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:24.480 Raised to a single mother, never see my father. I 0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:27.080 was raised in the projects after my mother got us 0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:29.680 back from force to care. I became a product of 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:31.319 what was around me in the white Hall of night 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.880 your houses in downtown South Brooklyn. By the age of sixteen, 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:37.800 I was first and conservated became one of the first 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:41.840 adolescence to join the United Blood Nation. This was Rica's 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:43.680 Island ninety four, So when I did it, it it was 0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:47.239 only adults. The adolescens didn't even have a box or 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.120 bing or shoot, we would send to HDM and that's 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.560 where we met the adults who ultimately introduced me to 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:56.680 what became a product of my life that sent me 0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.920 back and forth throughout the prison system. And two thousand 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.440 an eight, I was finishing up my last prison sentence 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:05.960 from five two five two thousand and eight becluding possess 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:08.560 of a weapon. And I've seen the father who seen 0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:10.400 who met his son who he had on the conjugal 0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:12.520 visit never seen that Chalit Dan in his life in 0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:14.760 the streets, and that Shilow came into Sing Sing prison 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:20.239 with thirty five years at seventeen years. And I was 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:23.319 the only person who witnessed that experience. And I had 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.160 to make changes because I had to win boys who 0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:27.600 were then about six or seven years old. And I 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.680 decided to change my mindset, and I ultimately know that 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:32.200 I had to be part of the solution and no 0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:35.080 longer part of problem. So I created an organization that 0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:38.160 made sense to me, which is g MAC, which stands 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:41.560 for Gangsters making Astronomical Community Changes, and that is a 0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:45.040 five of one seeds be nonprofit public charity that focused 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:47.919 on gun violence from a public health perspective, also dealing 0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.360 with social justice issues and all the things under the 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.480 unbrella that's causing the violence and the issues in our community. 0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:58.360 M that's dope, you know. You know, I'm always amazed 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:03.360 at how you able to be a conduit. You know, 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:06.719 how you're able to connect the culture, you know, be 0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:09.480 in tune with the culture of hip hop, understand what 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:11.640 goes on in our community, to speak the language and 0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:14.959 the lingo, and connect with those people who are still 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:19.360 respected in the streets but still have this positive and 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:22.400 make those people be the people that stop the violence. 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.080 Like you said, you know, you was once part of 0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:27.080 the problem and you want to be part of the solution. 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:30.799 And I'm amazed at how you engage these kids that's 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:34.399 in the streets that don't even understand how they can 0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:36.800 be the solution. How you able to speak the language 0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:39.520 with them and still make them feel Because we were 0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:44.040 having this conversation before about being cool or and being respected, right, 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.680 and the way that you're able to make people understand 0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:51.160 that you can be respected for stopping violence. You don't 0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:54.279 have to be in this this culture of violence and 0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:57.439 negativity that you can get respect and you can still 0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:00.359 look the same way, you still dress the same way 0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.040 you still, you know, can represent what it is that 0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:06.279 you represent, but you can do it in a positive form. 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.480 So you know, I'm amazed at the way that you're 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:12.320 able to do that. Think I appreciate that I created 0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:15.880 g MAC when I was upstate in Upstate box and 0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:18.000 I had to come up with the first that had 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:19.600 to come up with the name of acting and all that. 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:21.920 And I knew if I came home and said I 0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:24.200 was a good guy making change, they looked at me 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:25.520 and laugh, like, man, if you don't get out of 0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:27.360 here with that good guys stuff. So I had to 0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:29.360 come with what I knew, what experience I had, and 0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:31.879 I broke that to the table. And even that people 0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:34.040 look at the fact that the first world is gangsters, 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:36.400 and I get people, somebody, what what, what's this? What's that? 0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:38.680 Because they don't understand And it's not for everybody to 0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:40.640 understand the work that we do. We know people will 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:43.040 never understand everything that we do. People will never be 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.839 with everything that nobody does. But we have to use 0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:47.800 our actions to show improve and that's what I do. 0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:51.279 So I have nothing happened to me that made me 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:54.040 change other than me seeing a father witness his child 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.520 come through the prison system and I didn't want my children, 0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:58.600 nobody else shouldn't to experience that. So that was the 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.480 catalysts changed for me. I ain't telling nobody, ain't nothing, 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:03.640 nobody putting no hands on me. It was just about 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:07.279 change the shift of my prefunctal cortex, my brain. And 0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:10.560 when I came out, it was, oh you, Malcolm, the 0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:12.360 same thing used to go through brother. You know what 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:14.279 I'm saying with marcol We Malcolm, get out and listen. 0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:16.560 This is what it is, right, you know, we got 0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:18.560 to we can't be afraid of our children. We can't 0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:20.840 be afraid of things that we experienced and bring it 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:23.160 back to the table to get people to understand that 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:25.440 we have experienced that they don't have. We want to 0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:27.879 deter them from going through the things that we went through, 0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:30.759 but being genuine about it. You know, people afraid to 0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:33.600 be genuine. People want to follow with the trends, right, 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:36.239 and my goal to set trends to take the popularity 0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:39.560 out of negativity and bring the popularity of positivity, just 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.920 like y'are doing. You know when you talk about my 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.400 son and how some people say, oh you who you 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:48.000 think you are? Mar and a Malcolm it's like people 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:52.520 make try to make mockery of what he's doing today. Um, 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:55.400 you know, based upon his story, his trajectory where he 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:59.000 came from. Have have you experienced that did when you 0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:02.440 first came home decided to start an organization, did you 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:06.840 go through something similar? Oh? Yes, I definitely went through that. 0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:10.839 I'm still going through that like the brother. But one 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:12.080 of the things that I had to do when I 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:15.120 came home was, first I moved to Atlanta with my 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:18.040 twin sister. I had to make sure mentally I was 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:20.040 prepared to go back to the community. And so often 0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:22.239 brothers and sinces go back to the same neighborhood where 0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:24.759 they about names and susson and they for picked them 0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:27.239 to the same actions. So for me, I had to 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.400 mentally make sure I was ready. Second, when I created 0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:32.640 G Matt and came back to Brooklyn, I didn't go 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:34.640 to the neighborhood that I grew up in, which is 0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:38.120 white or honest, because I knew they would not understand it. 0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.800 Didn't make you know, me coming back talking about stop shooting. 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:42.239 They're like, hold on, what is this brother talking about? 0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:44.040 That's tripe. We're not trying to hear it, you know, 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:45.920 it was a lot that I had to think about 0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.200 before I made those choices. That was one of the 0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:51.960 reasons I went into sixty seven Precinct area these flappers 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.640 with Jamani because it was outside of the neighborhood and 0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:56.960 I was able to focus on the work where there 0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:59.319 was a high level of shootings over there. So I'll 0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:01.080 baby to show you through the work regards of what 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:04.080 assumptions you may have of me, especially with me still 0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:06.839 just being who I am dressed how for talk speak 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.239 about what I want to speak about. People misinterpreted that 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:14.480 with your actions around criminality, right, And that's just the problem. 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:17.080 I have to get people to see that I created 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:20.200 something for myself that gave me something to do where 0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:22.840 I didn't need to find a criminal aspect to provide 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:26.000 for myself, which is why we are creating these areas 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:29.000 for ourselves of crime that put us back and forth 0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:31.279 in the system. So this is what it's about. We 0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:34.080 have to overcome that. Me and Mice and generous like 0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:36.800 myself going to a neighborhood when people expect you to 0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:40.919 come back and bringing that same negative energy. So even 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.200 in the world there's people in other organizations that try 0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:45.840 to find something wrong with me in the work that 0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:48.359 I'm doing, because they don't understand that. You know, we've 0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:51.200 got a bunch of individuals who are forming concentrated. They 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:54.040 don't glamorize the fact that they've been concentrated for murders 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:57.360 and such, but recognizing it so that they can identify 0:45:57.440 --> 0:45:59.640 the people the pains that they've been through to be 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.719 able to to make change and shift our communities. So 0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:05.880 we are people are gonna continue to be oxercise right 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:07.320 if we look at all these dates, I need this 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:11.040 die up until the point of somebody believing that there 0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:13.280 was something wrong with Malcolm. There was something over Malcolm. 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:15.319 So we just got to keep working and pushing through. 0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:17.880 And we appreciate that. Man. And I want to ask you, 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:20.320 just looking at where we are right now, you know 0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:24.120 there's an uptick and violence, especially gun violence in our 0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:27.359 communities right now. And you know, like myself, you are 0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:30.600 aware of a lot of the things that cause the 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:32.759 violence in the communities. You know, I always say that 0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:35.560 poverty equals violence. You know, that's one of the main 0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:37.920 things that I say. So I just want to know 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:41.399 from your perspective of doing this work for so many 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:43.799 years that you've been doing it. What do you think 0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:48.200 it's gonna take to really cut the gun violence? And 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:50.440 you know, in the inner cities and in the communities 0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:54.040 that we come from, it's gonna take a lot more 0:46:54.440 --> 0:47:00.640 money community based organizations. It's gonna take other leaders that 0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:04.160 got money that they could give to these communities. We're 0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:06.840 spending too much time hoping that the city and the 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:09.680 lect of officials are gonna bail us out through our fight, 0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:13.080 and we cannot depend on that alone. So we need 0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:16.279 everybody invested because some way, some form, we got a 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:18.400 part to play. We paid a part when we were young. 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:21.040 And I'm just speaking in general, but to really answer 0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:25.359 the question, through my work, I've seen violence go down 0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:28.239 through our partners, the life camps, the man ups, the 0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:31.200 organizations that are doing this work. The work we are 0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:34.200 doing is shown in our areas where we focus. People 0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:36.360 don't know where we act, so they understand that we 0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:39.400 focus on a small area and we focus on the 0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:42.479 small percentage of the same individuals that's pushing the button, 0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:44.800 that's driving the bottom. It's not everybody in our community, 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:47.320 no matter what they're trying to portray. So if you 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:50.880 focus on all these individuals and throughout the city throughout 0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:53.880 east Borough, and you are you pinpoint who the shooters are, 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.480 you pinpoint the individuals that's pushing that you'll be able 0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:59.000 to bring down the violence. Because our goal is stopping 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:02.640 the transmission. So every time somebody gets into an argument, 0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:04.840 we need to be able as a as a people 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:07.080 to be in that conversation to figure out how we 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.920 could de escalate because mighty maybe more upset than the 0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:13.040 other person and walk off and things over and it's 0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:16.920 not over. And we had that incident where our young 0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:21.239 tenure over was shotting far rockaway a parking spot, and 0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:23.960 if someone was able to have had that conversation after 0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:26.440 the argument to bring that brother down, we would have 0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:28.759 saved the child's life. So that's what we gotta do it. 0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:30.279 On top of that, we're gott get these elders to 0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:32.840 step up. MI, I know what we're talking about, these brothers. 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:35.480 You know, I'm tired of brothers talking about these young 0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:37.680 boys is violing. And these younger man ain't no young 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:39.879 boy ever gonna tell me how to move. I don't listen. 0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:42.640 These are our children, right, we have much more experience 0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:44.399 than we gotta. We gotta pull a rod from under 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:46.400 them we gotta we gotta run up in and their 0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:48.400 stage spaces, make sure they ain't got access to the 0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:50.880 things they got access to. We gotta be accountable for them. 0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:53.600 These are our children pulling the trigger to not children, 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:55.799 So we're not the one stepping up the men. Our 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:58.040 women shouldn't be ad the front line. All these guys 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:00.160 is tough. The gangst all these music is talking about. 0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:03.120 The real toughness is in the streets stopping young person 0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:05.279 from killing somebody. And that's what we gotta do. We 0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:08.279 gotta saturate community with leaders who are not afraid to 0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:09.880 get in front of that that gunn and say this. 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.520 If you're not doing that, he is why amen, And 0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:14.920 I appreciate that. You know, I'm gonna I want to 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:17.160 touch you on something that's a little more, you know, 0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:21.320 touch you for you and personal. Um. You you you 0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:24.000 lost your brother to gun violence, you know, while you 0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:27.439 was doing this work, you know, and and that that's 0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:30.920 something that is just a two pronged situation, just understanding 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:36.160 what with the work entails. Well, you say, I like 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:41.080 to reference that different right because I didn't lose him, 0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:43.960 m h. And I tried to have a lot of 0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:47.680 survivors speak differently because you lose something means it fell 0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:50.640 out my pocket and I misplaced it. I misplaced my 0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:54.480 brother s mighty took right. So we gotta have our survived. 0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:57.759 Understand that the louse we it's lost inside of it 0:49:57.840 --> 0:50:01.200 was something I was taking from us. I appreciate that. 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:05.120 I'll definitely start talking with that terminology more so. You know, 0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:09.040 thank you for enlightening me with that. But your brother 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:11.239 was taken from you while you was doing the work 0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:14.360 to make sure that somebody else's brother is not taken 0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:16.640 from them, you know, and you're being close to me. 0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:19.759 We've had many discussions and different things, and I know 0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:22.560 a little a lot more than the average person does. 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:25.359 But I just want you to just kind of touch 0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:28.800 you on that experience and how you continue to do 0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:32.000 this work with the same mindst in the same heart, 0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.479 and you know, and you move forward. Maybe your mind 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:37.759 in your heart is not the same or are not 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:40.879 the same. My mind and my heart definitely ain't the same. 0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:44.880 Can't it can't be the same. Nobody who takes a 0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:47.879 takes has a feminine beer. Taking is ever the same. 0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:51.160 And people need to understand that they learned to deal 0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:53.560 with it to live with it, but they never get 0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:56.600 over it. And I'm mine who comes from a different 0:50:56.680 --> 0:51:00.360 level of life and experience, and I have uh family, 0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:04.680 my mother, my sisters, my brother, my brothers. Actually right 0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:06.160 now in n DC, we gotta go back to the 0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:10.320 NBC that's going on in there right now. But my family, 0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:14.080 we should tell people that m d C is NBC 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:18.239 Metropolitan Center, the federal jail in Brooklyn. We all us 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:21.880 until freedom. We went and did the protests and they 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:25.160 had no heat and lights in there. Remember like almost 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:30.879 two years ago, I said, winter the coldest time during 0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:38.000 the winter of two thousands. No electricity, no water, no 0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:41.080 no heat. We went both for those brothers in there 0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:43.799 and there we heard there's a lot going on there. 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:45.560 But we'll talk about that. Just started about it as 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:49.680 we referenced my brothers. So me coming up through the 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:52.799 work has been something that helped me when my brother 0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:56.480 got murdered. And if I wasn't his work, there's no 0:51:56.640 --> 0:52:00.279 telling the direction that I would that I would have went. Yall, 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:04.279 Remember I remember, I remember there was many nights when 0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:07.719 we had to walk you off the ledge because you're like, 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:10.560 how can I I remember you saying this to me. 0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:13.120 I don't mean to cut you off, but it's so powerful. 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:16.720 I remember you saying to me one night, tears rolling 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:21.920 down your face, how can I not go take a 0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:25.600 life for the life that was taken for me being 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:28.680 the man that everybody knows me to be, Like, this 0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:32.440 is who I am. I'm supposed to get revenge for this. 0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:35.879 And you said, but I know better. I know better, 0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:38.960 and and and and basically what I took from that 0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:42.319 is like, don't judge me because I feel it, because 0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:46.719 I'm being honest about the emotion. But I have I 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:50.480 have enough wisdom and um and I and I am 0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:54.280 I I've evolved enough. That's a good way of explaining 0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:57.560 it that I can. I need to go through this process, 0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.279 but I'm not going to make the wrong dec vision 0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:05.440 at the end. And I was so moved, proud and 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:08.799 humbled by the fact that you allowed me to live 0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:12.360 in that moment with you. Thank you, thank you and 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:18.120 sharing that emotional moment. Uh oh yeah, And I think 0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:20.359 you And that's an example example when I'm talking about 0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:22.680 right that I had the right people to call and 0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:25.080 talk to and get the right type of feedback. And 0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:27.520 there's so many people our communities that's not the feedback 0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:30.320 that they get. Let's go, let's get it done. You know, 0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:33.960 right in the high school, the retaliation start, the conversation starts. 0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:37.040 So what I realized for me, I had to turn 0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:40.520 that negative into some type of positivity for me to 0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:44.200 be able to move forward. And you know, it catapulted 0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:47.400 me further into the work. Right. I realized that before 0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:49.880 I was coming because I wanted to make change, because 0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:52.560 I was part of the problem growing up. I was 0:53:52.600 --> 0:53:55.080 putting too or the environment that I was put into. 0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:59.040 But I realized that now I had a different experience. 0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:02.400 I wasn't only speaking from somebody who had picked up 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:04.919 a gun, but I'm now speaking from a survivor's point, 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:08.840 and I saw how a mother could possibly feel. I 0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:11.520 could never feel a mother's pain because it's a brother, 0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:13.279 but it's still it's a brother that I raised. We 0:54:13.320 --> 0:54:16.080 had no farther so it's you know, just imagine the relationship. 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.040 So the fact that I had the right people around me, 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:21.560 it supported me and it kept me going. But I 0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:23.600 still have to find a different way to cope with 0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:26.600 it myself. And that's important for people to understand that 0:54:26.680 --> 0:54:29.000 there's a lot of things that happened when you're dealing 0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:32.879 with something like that that are traumas Families that still 0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:36.399 live in the same neighborhood and go back and forth 0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:39.839 home and believe that those guys they just passed one 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:44.440 of them killed their child. But the systems society don't say, 0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:47.160 I want to give you emergency movement, ma'am and move 0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:48.799 your family out of that neighborhood so that you can 0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:50.719 have some way to deal with your trauma. I had 0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:53.560 to realize that through my traumas right there. Maive me 0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:54.960 some of the challenge right to text y'all, like you 0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:57.200 what's still with this? And what's up with that? Because 0:54:57.280 --> 0:55:02.200 I could be drinking what's up with what? Yeah? All right? 0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:05.600 So for example, I may say, uh, I'm gonna I'm 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:07.239 gonna go to something that was really traumatic for me, 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:10.759 right where I told you that there's somebody that was 0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:14.040 speaking on the person who are leged league murdered my brother, 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:16.279 and I'm like, ye know, what's up? Why is why 0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:18.759 is these people speaking on this? Right? This is not 0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:22.320 the topic that people should be speaking on. I speak 0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:26.160 on it because there's somebody who is still being tried, right, 0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:30.120 And you know, so when you're talking about once again, 0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:32.440 you're talking about street CODs and ethics. Even though I 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:35.360 live a life that I'm not in the street committing crimes, 0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:40.480 I still found ethics and principles. So give somebody that 0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:42.440 opportunity to maybe do the course system before we talk 0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:45.040 about anything. Right, That's that's what's sup post that happened. 0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.760 You don't take a platform and and speaking on somebody 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:51.640 who was accused of a crime because of your voice. 0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:54.080 What you do is you change people who believe in 0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:56.319 you to believe that somebody is actually a good person 0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.040 where it actually isn't right there, not the person that 0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:02.120 you were talking about because of your personal relationship. That's 0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:05.279 one thing. Another thing was for me, I'm driving in 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:09.000 the car and I'm listening to the radio, and the 0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:12.440 radio says, on this day, we're having a concert that 0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:16.400 urban plaza. Right, How can you have a concert at 0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:19.880 the same place when my brother was killed and they 0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:24.000 have done nothing to reconcile, nothing, nothing to stop, nothing 0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:27.120 to stop it. Right, And so me and I spoke 0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:29.480 about this before. That could have been prevented. I know 0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:32.839 it could have been prevented, right, if the right people 0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:35.640 would have been in the conversation. When homeboy flew in 0:56:35.880 --> 0:56:38.680 who quote son, right, you don't want to do names. 0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:41.480 We could do that another time. But when the brother 0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:43.880 came in, he called the brother to the show because 0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:47.080 he felt the brother had some ground in the streets 0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:49.600 in New York. Right. So that's that's the method that 0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:51.319 happens in hip hop, and that's what we're talking about. 0:56:51.320 --> 0:56:53.320 When you come into a city, you should get in 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.399 tune with the real people in the city. And when 0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:57.960 you get people that talk about it, they talked about, well, 0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:00.320 what is this the no flies on or it's not 0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:05.520 about the check it we misinterpreted. That's about understanding the climate, 0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:08.719 the energy of the city that you're going into and 0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:11.839 making sure you don't create a further violent atmosphere, about 0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:14.960 bringing the wrong people into the same space, right, and 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:17.680 having to correct people in the community who are aware 0:57:17.680 --> 0:57:20.160 of the issues in that neighborhood to be there. So 0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:22.160 let's say one person comes in and somebody who we 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:24.720 identify as a problem pulls up to that door. We 0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:27.560 gotta have the right communication, not to agitate the situation, 0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:30.160 but the letting point the person know that this is 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:32.160 an environment that we can let you come in today. 0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:34.760 Preventive measures right and that's that's what I saw that 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:37.960 didn't happen right in that environment that my brother got murdered. 0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:41.080 It So it's it's it's an ongoing thing for for me, 0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:43.680 as an ongoing thing for my family, but I utilize 0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:46.320 it also to even help people who I know are 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:50.000 constantly going through that every day. So that goes something 0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:52.920 to my say earlier, I see brothers nowny, but you 0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:55.040 know my brothers got killed. I know what you're talking about. Bro. 0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:57.240 Come in, let me talk to you right, Let me 0:57:57.320 --> 0:57:59.560 tell you what I went through and what I when 0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:01.720 I was going through that. I also got people who 0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:05.240 I never knew of just DM me, messaging me and 0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:07.320 telling me they was watching me and how I dealt 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:09.520 with that and then helped them quote with it differently 0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:11.720 and not taking life. And there's people in other states 0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:14.960 and countries. So it's an ongoing process. Is trauma. I 0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:17.360 use it to help me help people, but there's people 0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:19.040 who are not as strong as me, and we need 0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:21.040 to be able to find the right resources to be 0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:24.320 able to provide ongoing trauma services to our community. That's 0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:28.400 continue to deal with the dumb violence. Wow, well, well listen, 0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:32.440 we can have this conversation all day, man, But unfortunately 0:58:32.560 --> 0:58:34.919 we gotta move on and do a few other things. 0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:36.280 You know, you've got a lot of work to do. 0:58:37.000 --> 0:58:39.840 You know, you gotta get you a battery for we 0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:46.880 got for your detect detective carbon monoxide. You know there's yeah, 0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:50.760 there's there's this thing on online where they say black 0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:52.880 folks just sit through it like it's a part of 0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:56.120 the sound in the house, like it just becomes background noise. 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:58.400 You didn't even hear it at first, but you know 0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:02.200 now that thing is in you that you need to 0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:05.040 change the battery because there could be a fire or 0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:08.160 carbon monoxide in the area and you won't know. Okay, 0:59:08.840 --> 0:59:12.160 I hear it now. It's the times we may ignore 0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:14.840 things in life. For someone who cares about his pointed 0:59:14.880 --> 0:59:16.960 out to us and ignore it. It will hurt us. 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:20.200 But we listened, we will learn and fix things right. Well, 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:25.920 we have had those conversations painfully and lovingly many times 0:59:26.400 --> 0:59:29.760 over the years, and certainly I think we've grown both 0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:32.080 of us from those conversations. So we love you so 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:36.240 much and do thanks for joining street politicians. Just wanted 0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:38.160 people to know right that you know what I'm saying, 0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:40.400 even though I'm tough and all that. You know, you 0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:43.840 called me out for a fair one and all that. Yeah, 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:48.360 she definitely did she call you. We've had to listen 0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:53.400 this one toimes. She used an explicit, she said, yeah, 0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:58.160 she used exponents. She definitely expletive. She used a lot 0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:03.960 of expletives. Yeah, well that's the world. But that's because 1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:06.720 y'all got on my nerves. So don't mess with me. 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:12.920 And I have no issues with you. La la la Yo. 1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:20.160 I love you, bro. We talked to you later. Peace. Yes. 1:00:20.240 --> 1:00:24.640 Shout out to Duke Man Dope interview, Dope person, another 1:00:24.680 --> 1:00:27.240 one of my brothers. Man. We always say we've got friends, 1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:29.080 and look at this is why we called on my friends. 1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:32.000 Our friends are literally changing the world. Like you know, 1:00:32.520 --> 1:00:35.920 we get so much flak from so many things, man, 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:39.440 that it is amazing. You know. I get called all 1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:42.680 types of names and all this, and and sometimes I 1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:44.600 get frustrated, But then I look at the people I'm 1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:48.520 surrounded by. I look at history, and I say, everybody 1:00:48.560 --> 1:00:51.120 who's doing what I what I'm trying to do. Everybody 1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:54.439 who has been you know, elevated, who's been talked about 1:00:54.520 --> 1:00:57.000 throughout history had to go through the same things and 1:00:57.080 --> 1:00:59.760 not putting myself on the same level as those brothers, 1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:02.720 was saying to myself, anybody who was really trying to 1:01:02.800 --> 1:01:06.720 make change, who is going left while everybody is going right, 1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:09.080 Who's trying to change a narrative that has been so 1:01:09.400 --> 1:01:12.680 engulfed and embedded in this culture for so long, It's 1:01:12.680 --> 1:01:16.000 gonna receive nothing but fact. You're gonna receive hate. Everybody 1:01:16.120 --> 1:01:17.880 is not gonna love you. I say all the time, 1:01:17.960 --> 1:01:21.640 I'm a quiet taste. I'm honest to a fault and 1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:24.560 sometimes you know it is a gift and a curse. 1:01:25.040 --> 1:01:27.400 But to me, you see what this has said. Shame 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:30.360 is fluck. Character is currency, man, And you know, my 1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:33.280 character is the way that I've survived my whole life. 1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:35.840 I wasn't somebody with a silver spoon. All I ever 1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:38.600 had was character, you know, and that brings me to 1:01:38.680 --> 1:01:42.600 my I don't get it, well, I really don't get 1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:47.920 is how did we as a culture allow people to 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:53.800 trick us into believing that violence and negativity was symping 1:01:54.360 --> 1:01:58.320 to glorify, Like when I and I and I was 1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:01.640 guilty of it, like I was, I was all the 1:02:01.680 --> 1:02:04.800 way into it. Like when we look at the what 1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:08.800 we call ourselves monsters and savages and all of these 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:13.240 names that that mean the most derogatory things, and demons 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:16.200 and all of these things. We we've taken on this 1:02:17.000 --> 1:02:20.040 narrative and these names to describe us, and it's some 1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:25.320 level of a badge of honor. It's something that we glorified, 1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:27.800 something that we look up to. How did we allow 1:02:28.440 --> 1:02:32.320 people to trick us into believing that we were savages indemons? 1:02:33.240 --> 1:02:36.000 How do we allow them to tell us to gify 1:02:36.280 --> 1:02:39.640 us taking our brother's lives. Somebody who come from the 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:43.000 same communities we come from, have to overcome the same 1:02:43.400 --> 1:02:46.360 ills that we have to overcome, have to step over 1:02:46.480 --> 1:02:48.800 the same pists and the same elevators, mothers on the 1:02:48.880 --> 1:02:53.000 same drugs as I was getting the same um, public assistance, 1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:56.919 you know, welfare checks, all those things. Somebody who's dealing 1:02:56.960 --> 1:02:59.960 with the same exact things we're dealing with. They tricked 1:03:00.200 --> 1:03:03.920 us into believing that taking his life and not value 1:03:03.960 --> 1:03:07.680 in his life made me some level of real quote 1:03:07.760 --> 1:03:11.200 unquote real. How do we do that? I really don't 1:03:11.240 --> 1:03:12.959 get it now, you know, when you when you start 1:03:13.040 --> 1:03:15.240 to reflect it and I'm not and I'm not talking now, 1:03:15.280 --> 1:03:17.640 because there is a lot of young kids they engulfed 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:20.120 in the culture and they go on O G. You're 1:03:20.160 --> 1:03:24.040 talking down positive and it's like, whatever, listen either you're 1:03:24.040 --> 1:03:27.800 gonna learn. See. A wise man learns from other people's mistakes. 1:03:27.960 --> 1:03:30.560 A smart marine learns from his own. I was a 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:32.400 smart man. I wasn't as well I was. I was 1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:36.160 a little bit wise, but for ultimately I was smart. 1:03:36.280 --> 1:03:39.000 I had to learn from my own mistakes. I'm hoping 1:03:39.520 --> 1:03:41.920 that the young people that I'm talking to can be wise, 1:03:42.160 --> 1:03:45.080 be wiser than me. I tell my son all the time, 1:03:45.200 --> 1:03:47.640 I am a cheat sheet through life. If you pay 1:03:47.680 --> 1:03:50.120 attention to me, if you just listen to me, then 1:03:50.160 --> 1:03:52.000 you will never make the same mistakes I make. You 1:03:52.120 --> 1:03:54.680 might make your own. You might have to do some 1:03:54.840 --> 1:03:56.480 things that I never went through, and you might make 1:03:56.560 --> 1:03:59.560 mistakes there, but you will never make the same mistakes 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:02.360 that I did, or never actually have to go through 1:04:02.440 --> 1:04:04.320 the same things that I have to go through. And 1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:06.640 that's what that's my message to your young kids. Man, 1:04:07.720 --> 1:04:12.760 don't allow anybody to trick you into losing your life 1:04:12.800 --> 1:04:16.760 for your freedom. Don't allow anybody to tell you anything 1:04:16.840 --> 1:04:20.000 that is detrimental to your life or your freedom. Is 1:04:20.080 --> 1:04:22.720 something that is a badge of honor, that is a 1:04:22.840 --> 1:04:27.120 right to passage, that is something to glorify. Anybody who 1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:30.440 is trying to put you in a position to lose 1:04:30.560 --> 1:04:35.440 your life, your freedom, your family, to lose anything that 1:04:35.720 --> 1:04:39.840 is of any value to you. It's not your friend. 1:04:41.600 --> 1:04:43.600 They are not somebody that you should listen to. I 1:04:43.640 --> 1:04:46.840 don't care if it's music, I don't care what it is. 1:04:47.680 --> 1:04:50.520 You know, we have to take back our culture. We 1:04:50.640 --> 1:04:54.920 have to redefine what manhood is. We have to redefine 1:04:54.960 --> 1:04:58.720 with cool, with lit, with real was popping. We have 1:04:58.880 --> 1:05:03.760 to redefine, to redefine what those things are because what 1:05:04.120 --> 1:05:08.400 is defined now is killing us. We're losing. Bodies are 1:05:08.480 --> 1:05:12.400 dropping every day in our communities, and it's only because 1:05:12.520 --> 1:05:17.280 somebody tricked us into believing that that was something to glify. 1:05:18.520 --> 1:05:22.479 So with that said, I'm gonna close out. My sister 1:05:22.560 --> 1:05:24.600 is not here, but she ain't gonna always be wrong 1:05:24.680 --> 1:05:27.720 when she's here, and I'm not gonna always be right, 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:29.880 but most of the time I am, but especially in 1:05:29.960 --> 1:05:34.800 this month, I'm right about this. Kings stopped killing kings, 1:05:35.720 --> 1:05:40.280 but we will always we will always be what the 1:05:42.840 --> 1:05:46.640 peace Number one show Baby number one you see along 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:47.840 my things number one