Speaker 1: Good evening. This is Josh and for this week's select,
Speaker 1: I've chosen Boom m mmmmmmmmm. Sorry about that. My lockjaw
Speaker 1: was acting up. Where was I? Oh? Yeah? For this
Speaker 1: week's select, I've chosen a very spooky episode from two
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen, How Vampires Work. Hopefully it will really boost
Speaker 1: your Halloween spirit with its spookiness. Um. And also, I
Speaker 1: just want to include an apology at the outset to
Speaker 1: all the Twilight fans out there. When this episode was recorded,
Speaker 1: I hadn't fully adopted the concept of not yucking someone's yea.
Speaker 1: And with all that said, from Chuck, Jerry, Dave, and me,
Speaker 1: Happy Halloween. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production
Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Bryant sitting across
Speaker 1: from me back in the saddle. Uh, and this is
Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know yo, back in the satellite. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you want to explain that or should we just
Speaker 1: leave it a mystery saddle? Well, with the metaphorical saddle
Speaker 1: is in this case? Yeah? Well, um, you know, we
Speaker 1: have been kind of away, even though it seems like
Speaker 1: we've been here every week through the magic of um
Speaker 1: digital recording. That's right, pre recording. We uh, we batch
Speaker 1: recorded our episodes and covered ourselves. We built up what
Speaker 1: we call a kittie and uh we've been releasing them
Speaker 1: steadily and faithfully while we've been off recording a TV show,
Speaker 1: recording a TV show. That's right, our own TV show
Speaker 1: where and you me pointing this out to me, how
Speaker 1: cool it says we play ourselves. Yeah. I think that's
Speaker 1: the only thing I'm qualified to do it. Oh, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: We would have failed miserably if we've done, you know,
Speaker 1: anything else, like a Sherlock Homes Up eight or something
Speaker 1: like that. There's so many of those going on already,
Speaker 1: I know, So why not? Yeah, why not elementary my
Speaker 1: dear Clark. Yeah, um, but yeah, we have a TV
Speaker 1: show coming out. I guess we can talk about it freely.
Speaker 1: We're done. Yeah, we'll we'll really ramp up the plug
Speaker 1: edge come December, but look forward in January on Science Channel.
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Speaker 1: don't know yet and we're working on that. We'd love
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Speaker 1: provider doesn't offer Science Channel, you burn down their offices
Speaker 1: until they do. That's right. Um? Okay, So Chuck, Yes,
Speaker 1: have you ever heard of a little movie called Twilight? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen all those You've seen them? Oh yeah, Emily
Speaker 1: has read the books and she's way into it, so
Speaker 1: I have been I sucked into it. That's very supportive
Speaker 1: of you. I don't think they're very good. Um, but
Speaker 1: I must admit I do want to see the final one,
Speaker 1: just because it's like when you watch four of something,
Speaker 1: or however many it's been three of something, it's just
Speaker 1: become a weird to stop there. So I will see
Speaker 1: the last one. When does that come out? I think
Speaker 1: probably sometime around this published date? Oh really, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's a Thanksgiving her Christmas release. Yeah, okay, Um, well,
Speaker 1: I bring that up to propose that that's the only
Speaker 1: time we talk about that franchise for throughout this whole podcast. Agreed, Agreed. Um,
Speaker 1: Because vampires, which is what we're talking about, they go
Speaker 1: back a very, very very long way. They've evolved, they've changed,
Speaker 1: they've shifted their shape. But um, they seem to all
Speaker 1: have certain characteristics in common. Right. For example, Um, they
Speaker 1: can't see their reflection, well, not necessarily. Okay, if we
Speaker 1: go back to the ancient myths, Okay, Uh, they are
Speaker 1: wary of crucifixes, crucify na crucifixes. Uh, they only come
Speaker 1: out at night. Yeah, they're the undead. Yeah, suck blood
Speaker 1: from a victim's neck. They have to be invited into
Speaker 1: your home. Yeah. Garlic as well, holy water, Yeah, superhuman strength,
Speaker 1: al tenants of the modern vampire lore. Yes, and modern
Speaker 1: is a good It's a good way to put it,
Speaker 1: because all of this is a fairly recent um image
Speaker 1: of the vampire. Thanks to Bram Stoker and then shortly
Speaker 1: after that Bella Lagosia, we now have this conception of
Speaker 1: the vampire. But like I said, it goes back way
Speaker 1: way further than the nineteenth century or even the eight
Speaker 1: eighth century. Yeah, it goes back as much as four
Speaker 1: thousand years as far as we know. I'm probably further back, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I will say one thing, not to bring up
Speaker 1: the T word again, but brom Stoker and other authors
Speaker 1: and filmmakers, the cool thing I like about the vampire
Speaker 1: and pop culture is you can pull from all these
Speaker 1: different things to create your own creature of the night. Yes,
Speaker 1: like some of them. You know, in in like True
Speaker 1: Blood for instance, you know, they can retract their fangs,
Speaker 1: they're super sexy. They you know, Lilith is in that
Speaker 1: a version of Lilith that we'll talk about. So I
Speaker 1: just think that's kind of one of the cool things
Speaker 1: about vampires is brom Stoker did the same thing. He
Speaker 1: pulled from different areas of mythology and said, this is
Speaker 1: a fictional character I'm going to create using all these
Speaker 1: old folk legends. Right. But there are some things that
Speaker 1: are are very basic. The commonalities among all vampires that
Speaker 1: generally they suck blood um, and they are dead in
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form. They are they're undead. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a great way, just coined an excellent term.
Speaker 1: Just made that up. Um. So you have undead people,
Speaker 1: former people in most cases, um, feeding on the living.
Speaker 1: That's the vampire. That's the basis of almost all vampires,
Speaker 1: but even that has exceptions because these early, the earliest
Speaker 1: vampires that we know of that arose out of the
Speaker 1: first civilization Mesopotamia. Um, we're actually demon goddesses, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Lamas Do was a demon goddess and she was the
Speaker 1: daughter of Anu, the sky god. And she would um,
Speaker 1: creep in and kill your babies. Yes, she was not
Speaker 1: a happy, nice person. She had talents wings um. And
Speaker 1: they believe that the Assyrians and Babylonians were basically going
Speaker 1: like what is going on when they would encounter sudden
Speaker 1: infant death syndrome or miscarriages, and they said, well, of
Speaker 1: course it is lamas Do, thank you. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: it's so funny how so many of these things were
Speaker 1: sort of used to explain and not vampires, but all
Speaker 1: kinds of folk legends to explain like what medicine health
Speaker 1: says is Sid's right, yeah you know, but I mean
Speaker 1: like it's that that this basis of the vampire legend
Speaker 1: using it to explain stuff people didn't understand, usually some
Speaker 1: sort of sudden death or wasting away as we'll see later. Um,
Speaker 1: it spans thousands of years. People have been going back
Speaker 1: to that, well for thousands and thousands of years. That's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting, you know, when you look at this one
Speaker 1: group in the nineteenth century with the Assyrians four thousand
Speaker 1: years ago, and they're all thinking the same thing. That's
Speaker 1: I find that very interesting. That's that's an archetype if
Speaker 1: you ask you. Yeah, and it just goes to show
Speaker 1: you we're all humans all over the world for as
Speaker 1: long as we've been around. We're all stupid. We're all stupid,
Speaker 1: all right. Um. Lamas Do is also associated with lilith
Speaker 1: who I mentioned who this past season was on True
Speaker 1: Blood like a version of Lilith but Um. She is
Speaker 1: in prominent in Jewish texts and is a lot like
Speaker 1: lamas Do. She Um was the first woman, supposedly not
Speaker 1: Eve but Adam and Lilith. Yeah, that's like that question
Speaker 1: about like who's the first president. Yeah, well, apparently there
Speaker 1: were other presidents before Washington, like eight or nine before Washington,
Speaker 1: but you just have to say, well, were they the
Speaker 1: president of the United States? No, they weren't, right, So
Speaker 1: lilith Um was a modern woman and she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, Adam, I ain't putting up with this because
Speaker 1: I am just the same as you. I was created
Speaker 1: from God just like you are, and so, um, stop
Speaker 1: acting like you're not made of dust exactly. So she
Speaker 1: left Eden said I'm out of here. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: my own kids. God sends angel Us to bring her back.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, I'm not going. And the angel said,
Speaker 1: all right, you think angels are nice, We're gonna kill
Speaker 1: one hundred of your children every day until you get
Speaker 1: back up to Eden or Heaven. Yeah. And rather than
Speaker 1: say okay, well let's go back to eat and then
Speaker 1: Lelis said do it, and they did it, and so
Speaker 1: she started killing human children in return. That's right again,
Speaker 1: with sharp talents, winged demonus stealing infants and fetuses. And
Speaker 1: I find that extremely interesting, um that the vampire legend
Speaker 1: is kind of born out of this um, this folklore
Speaker 1: of how you're supposed to be subservient to men, you know.
Speaker 1: That's uh, that's very interesting because they there's this element
Speaker 1: of seduction that kind of was reinvented with vampires here there,
Speaker 1: but it's one of the It may have gone away
Speaker 1: in some areas, but it always came back, this idea
Speaker 1: that there was a woman or a person who didn't
Speaker 1: follow sexual mores, whether that sexual meaning like intercourse or gender. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't follow the rules. And that's kind of like
Speaker 1: another thing that's always kept the vampire legend going, or
Speaker 1: that's always been a part of it. I guess that's
Speaker 1: a good point, because lilithaus set up the notion of
Speaker 1: the uh seductress. You know, we see over and over
Speaker 1: in further legends, right Um. And then so Lilith is
Speaker 1: associated with ancient Jewish texts. Um, Lamas too is Uh
Speaker 1: from Mesopotamia. And they aren't certain if Um Lilith was
Speaker 1: a variation of Lamas too or if they both evolved
Speaker 1: from a third character. But um, those are the two
Speaker 1: most ancient ideas of vampires that we have. Shortly after that,
Speaker 1: we can head on over to Greece, and they had
Speaker 1: they feared a lot of vampire like creatures. Yeah, Lamia
Speaker 1: was another demonus um head and Torso a woman lower
Speaker 1: body of a snake and Um. Evidently this was one
Speaker 1: of Zeus' mortal lovers. His wife did not take kindly
Speaker 1: to this Hara, and she was like, no, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make you go insane, lady and eat all your children. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're so crazy, You're gonna eat your kids and then
Speaker 1: come to afterward, that's right. And when she did, she
Speaker 1: went so she she went so berserk, not in the
Speaker 1: Viking way, not berserker, no, just straight up berserk that
Speaker 1: she um became a monster again killing children. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: she was jealous of other women who had children. Um.
Speaker 1: Who else? Um? They also had the mp Yes, the
Speaker 1: daughters of Hakad, who was the goddess of witchcraft, and
Speaker 1: they were shape shifters for the first time. Right. So
Speaker 1: like you have all these all these different cultures contributing
Speaker 1: to the vampire that we understand today here there. Um.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just the Greeks. It wasn't just the Mesopotamians.
Speaker 1: You also had India getting into the mix with the
Speaker 1: rock Shassa right, um, which was basically like a a
Speaker 1: ghoule shape shifting google who once again killed children. Right.
Speaker 1: And same with the Vitala, but they were more like
Speaker 1: a zombie if you ask me. Yeah, a demon who
Speaker 1: took possession of recently dead bodies freak havoc on a
Speaker 1: living that's a that's a sounds like zombie. Um. And
Speaker 1: then the Chinese also had their own thing, um, the Kuei. Sure, Okay,
Speaker 1: you have to say, like that. Yeah. Yeah, Like, um,
Speaker 1: the guy on NPR who always reports from China, he
Speaker 1: speaks to normally and all of a sudden, I mean
Speaker 1: he's doing it accurately, but it's like, um, a little
Speaker 1: bit like Daniel day lewis doing Lincoln. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's accurate, but do you do you know what? You
Speaker 1: sounds like I wanted to get rid of slavery. That
Speaker 1: was sort of like a jacked up Kennedy. That's weird.
Speaker 1: Little Um, So, how do how do quai come about?
Speaker 1: They are corpses who would rise from the grave kill again,
Speaker 1: and that happened when a person's lower spirit did not
Speaker 1: pass into the afterlife because of bad things they did.
Speaker 1: So the po was angered by the lower spirit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that would reanimate basically and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna attack the living at night once again, because
Speaker 1: what else do I have to do? Nothing? Well, it's
Speaker 1: a good way to exact revenge. Just have to hang around.
Speaker 1: Here's the wheelbarrow. So all of these stories were floating
Speaker 1: around the world and eventually, um, through trade and things
Speaker 1: wound up in Europe. Yeah, the first globalization, the silk
Speaker 1: roads started bringing all these things together and Yeah, they
Speaker 1: moved over to Europe, and that's where they really sort
Speaker 1: of took off, I guess you could say. And in
Speaker 1: the place that became the epicenter um was Central Europe
Speaker 1: or Eastern Europe, Russia. Yeah, early on with the upier
Speaker 1: and again Greek with the oh boy uh rycholacas or kilacas. Yes,
Speaker 1: one of those, one of those. You can't start a
Speaker 1: word with four consonants, one of them got to be silent. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And this kind of like um was an offshoot of
Speaker 1: the Chinese conception of how a vampire became a vampire. Uh.
Speaker 1: The upier um, which they think is the word that
Speaker 1: led to vampire or vampire um, was basically a person
Speaker 1: who during their life was a sinner un baptized baby,
Speaker 1: which is really sad, a vampire baby, that's kind of funny. Um.
Speaker 1: And they anyone who wasn't a Christian, Yeah, practitioners of witchcraft,
Speaker 1: especially of course for obvious reasons, because you'd already sold
Speaker 1: your soul of the devil. Yeah, so you were you
Speaker 1: were doomed. You're like halfway there, right, So um, all
Speaker 1: of these fa actors combined to basically make you a
Speaker 1: loser in the afterlife and you're going to come back. Um.
Speaker 1: And families were I guess aware of this kind of thing.
Speaker 1: They knew that there was the possibility that you know,
Speaker 1: uncle Uncle Vigo who had a lot of big gambling
Speaker 1: problem which the village looked down upon, um when he
Speaker 1: was alive. When he died, well, he was probably going
Speaker 1: to become a new pier. And so if all of
Speaker 1: a sudden Uncle Vigo's like nephews start dying in a
Speaker 1: weird way, um say of maybe a dread disease, the
Speaker 1: family probably go dig up Uncle Vigo and do crazy
Speaker 1: stuff to his body. Yeah. And uh, one thing to
Speaker 1: point out here this is I think the first time
Speaker 1: with the upier that we get the notion that they
Speaker 1: would go back to the grave to rest. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a big one on a regular basis, And that
Speaker 1: sets things up moving forward kind of right. So, like
Speaker 1: you said, they would, um sometimes dig these bodies up,
Speaker 1: sometimes burn them, um, drive a stake through the heart.
Speaker 1: They would really take care of this corpse. They would
Speaker 1: bury them face down sometimes. Yeah, so like if they
Speaker 1: tried to crawl out, they would be headed in the
Speaker 1: wrong direction. That's pretty awesome, or steaks facing down, so
Speaker 1: if they tried to crawl up, they would stake themselves.
Speaker 1: And um. That was this was the about a thousand
Speaker 1: years ago in Central Europe, this stuff, or central or
Speaker 1: Eastern Europe, this stuff started to Um, these beliefs started
Speaker 1: to come about that you could solve your vampire troubles
Speaker 1: by butchering the corpse of the suspective vampire. Um. And
Speaker 1: it started then and it carried on anytime there's a
Speaker 1: vampire panic, which uh, interestingly all almost always attended a
Speaker 1: an outbreak of some sort of disease. Yeah, I could
Speaker 1: see that, um, because once again they're just trying to
Speaker 1: explain away exactly medical conditions, right. Um. People would dig
Speaker 1: up corpses and like do crazy things to them, Like
Speaker 1: in Venice they found a sixteenth century corpse that had
Speaker 1: a brick in its mouth and they no, it hadn't
Speaker 1: it didn't fall in there. Um. And then in the
Speaker 1: eighteen fifties there's this really cool article Chuck called the
Speaker 1: Great New England Vampire Panic. It was on the Smithsonian
Speaker 1: website recently. It is awesome. And in the eighteen fifties
Speaker 1: in Connecticut there was a tuberculosis outbreak and people panicked
Speaker 1: and started digging up graves and just completely um rearranging
Speaker 1: the people's bones, are cutting out their hearts and burning
Speaker 1: them and doing all sorts of crazy stuff. And these
Speaker 1: were this is the eighteen fifties. I mean, this wasn't
Speaker 1: the Dark Ages. Like people were starting to have an
Speaker 1: understanding of like disease like the Salem which trial same deal, right,
Speaker 1: but hundred years later, a hundred fifty years later, you know, so, um,
Speaker 1: there there was this big panics still as recently as
Speaker 1: the eighteen fifties in the US among you know, folk
Speaker 1: who dug up their family members and like burn their
Speaker 1: their hearts. Those people are funny. Yeah, they call them
Speaker 1: undecided voters, but those are right, those are the people
Speaker 1: that I'm talking about that they're doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: We're thinking the same things that the Assyrians did four
Speaker 1: thousand years before. I just think that's so interesting and backward. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Stuff you should know, stuf stuff you should should know. Um.
Speaker 1: So in uh Wallachia, Moldavia, in Transylvania which is now Romania, Um,
Speaker 1: they had something called troy and strictoi were um they
Speaker 1: were a little bit different because they were um they
Speaker 1: would go through different stages after rising from the grave,
Speaker 1: Like at first they were just poultergeists and they were
Speaker 1: invisible spirits that would torment their family in the afterlife,
Speaker 1: um or in their regular life district boys, afterlife? Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? Um? But then they would as time passed,
Speaker 1: they would become visible looking like they did in life,
Speaker 1: and they would still return and steel cattle and bring
Speaker 1: disease and all that stuff to their family for food. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Why would they do this to their family? That's what
Speaker 1: I never got I think I saw later. Um that metaphorically,
Speaker 1: it's a it's basically a vampire lore is um a
Speaker 1: life lesson, like, don't be a drain on your family.
Speaker 1: Support your family, take care of your parents in their
Speaker 1: old age, Like you don't want to be a strogoy. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Sure, I guess that makes sense. Um.
Speaker 1: And strogoy or a strigg O, which I guess is
Speaker 1: the singular of the strogoy would um. They would have
Speaker 1: to go back to the grave a lot, just like
Speaker 1: the upier did, and they followed the same pattern. They
Speaker 1: if they thought someone was a striggo, they would exhume
Speaker 1: the body and take care of it. The old fashioned way.
Speaker 1: And um, but here's a little loophole. If you managed
Speaker 1: to survive for seven years as a Striggo, then you're
Speaker 1: good to go. And they're like, all right, you've got
Speaker 1: staying power. You just go do your Striggo thing. Right.
Speaker 1: You are like the living debt. You no longer have
Speaker 1: to like return to your grave to rest. You're basically reborn.
Speaker 1: Well done. Um. And apparently the Striggo couldn't um or
Speaker 1: the strogoy couldn't make their way in their town after
Speaker 1: that seventh year, you know, because they went on to vote.
Speaker 1: There is all sorts of the title relations right, Um.
Speaker 1: So they would move to other towns and they would
Speaker 1: have secret meetings with other str oy and um, that's
Speaker 1: where the idea of vampires fraternizing came from. Yeah, hanging out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: talking shop. Yeah. Basically a secret culture of vampires existing
Speaker 1: outside of our awareness. You remember, remember like on Jerry
Speaker 1: Springer when that was on, or it might still be on.
Speaker 1: Have no idea I think it is? Is it really? Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 1: Is it still the same crap? Oh? Yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: didn't take the high road at some point. No, I
Speaker 1: just remember back in the day, they would have like
Speaker 1: those real vampires, the people that lived the vampire lifestyle.
Speaker 1: There's a video of it in this um is there
Speaker 1: in this article? Oh boy? Yeah those people. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: guy looks like a cross between Marilyn Manson and um
Speaker 1: Brandon Lee. Oh yeah, yeah, interesting, kind of kind of
Speaker 1: odd looking. He's got the contact lenses and everything. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they'll they'll shave down their their fangs, like for real, right,
Speaker 1: they'll file them down. Yeah. Um. So there's two types
Speaker 1: of STROGOI. Right, you've got the strigoi mort not morty
Speaker 1: no more isn't dead. So this is the basically who
Speaker 1: we were just describing, and then the strong oy view,
Speaker 1: which is the living, the person who's going to become
Speaker 1: a streak o when they die. Yeah, people that I
Speaker 1: feel very sorry for because they were probably just born
Speaker 1: with a bump. What are those called? The when you're
Speaker 1: born with a like really just racking my head with
Speaker 1: a vestige like a partial tail, yeah, uh, vestigial tail. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: there's a word for it. I can't remember. I'm so
Speaker 1: tired of doing this. Stories have we wasted combined saying
Speaker 1: oh I wish I could remember it? Well, we just
Speaker 1: invented this off the top of our heads vans at, Yes,
Speaker 1: exactly right, and it sort of drug. Yeah, it is actually.
Speaker 1: Um so, if you're a poor baby born with a
Speaker 1: vestigial tail a little bump on the top of your
Speaker 1: tailbone or um uh, some sort of fetal membrane still
Speaker 1: attached to the head, which is called a call, yeah,
Speaker 1: they would just call you a string strong o view
Speaker 1: or vou right, and you're sort of like, sorry, I
Speaker 1: was born with his bump. I'm not a vampire living
Speaker 1: walking on the earth. They said, no, you are, and
Speaker 1: if you have kids, and they're gonna be h string
Speaker 1: oy in the afterlife, and we'll have to destroy your
Speaker 1: body when you die, and they did, and they did so.
Speaker 1: But I guess it's kind of nice that they didn't
Speaker 1: just kill the person while they were living. They just
Speaker 1: showed them. I'm sure. Yeah, exactly. Um. The idea of
Speaker 1: a call like having some sort of um special significance
Speaker 1: is it goes beyond the vampire thing to like like
Speaker 1: you're gifted with the second side or there's all sorts
Speaker 1: of like supernatural paranormal folklore surrounding people born with a call.
Speaker 1: Once again, people have proven to be stupid over the years,
Speaker 1: so um, but this is where vampire came in, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this street go, this tregoy um started to come to
Speaker 1: be called the vampire, which is again from Upier in
Speaker 1: the Russian and all of a sudden, the stages set
Speaker 1: for the vampire legend to really take hold. As it's
Speaker 1: taking shape. Yeah, and like this is where pop culture
Speaker 1: came into plague. Hysteria had set in, and so painters
Speaker 1: and artists and authors had this material that's pretty rich
Speaker 1: for the time. All this hysteria's gone on, So let's
Speaker 1: write a scary book about it. And that's what Bram
Speaker 1: Stoker did. Yeah, and he was, um, he was, are
Speaker 1: you going with Brom? I go with Bram, you go, Bram? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Have you ever read it? I know I saw the
Speaker 1: movie though I took it literally. The movie was a
Speaker 1: pretty faithful add taste with the couple one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was pretty good. The book is great, though. I
Speaker 1: took a literature of horror class at Georgia and it
Speaker 1: was one of the cooler classes I took. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he did Dracula and f Kenstein and like the House
Speaker 1: of Usher and then a bunch of short stories. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very cool. So Bram Stoker also Abraham Stoker, which I
Speaker 1: didn't know until I read this that was his first name. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just because the class um. He he was a theater
Speaker 1: manager and a novelist and also a really great researcher
Speaker 1: because you know all this stuff from this vampire um um, hysteria, yeah,
Speaker 1: panic from all this took place like hundreds of years
Speaker 1: before him. And I guess I don't know what inspired
Speaker 1: him exactly or where he saw it or where the
Speaker 1: where this all took place. But he didn't just go, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good idea and wrote his book like
Speaker 1: he went and did some serious research. Yes, supposedly he
Speaker 1: was inspired by uh he was a personal assistant to
Speaker 1: this actor um who ran the theater that he worked at.
Speaker 1: And supposedly Henry Irving was a guy's name was the
Speaker 1: inspiration to write the book. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: that meant he was some jerk he was like, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna personify he was a blood sucker or what.
Speaker 1: But or maybe he just inspired him creatively. Who knows, Um,
Speaker 1: But I bet someone knows more about this and I do.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure, so right in and tell me, um,
Speaker 1: and so Bram Stoker goes and he starts to do
Speaker 1: some research and pokes around, and he finds a great
Speaker 1: place to set this vampire tale is in Transylvania, which
Speaker 1: is the heart of the Strigoy vampire. This is where
Speaker 1: everything that we just talked about came together. Wallachia, Transylvania,
Speaker 1: Romania is what we call it today. Um and uh.
Speaker 1: And he he thought, well, this is just perfect. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna set it there and let's see if I can
Speaker 1: find somebody of that area how it can base this
Speaker 1: vampire character on. And he came up with a guy
Speaker 1: named Vladislav Bazzarrob. Yeah, that's a creepy name period, yea. Um,
Speaker 1: but it would be even creepier. He was the prince
Speaker 1: ruled Wallachia in the mid fourteen hundreds. Uh. Creepier is
Speaker 1: that his father was Lad Vlad the Dragon or the
Speaker 1: Devil and um. Vlad Jr. Was referred to as Vlad Dracula,
Speaker 1: which is son of Dracula or Vlad Tepis or Vlad
Speaker 1: the Impaler because, even though it's not verified, supposedly he
Speaker 1: was a very fierce warrior. He would impale his victims. Okay,
Speaker 1: I really feel like we should do um the real
Speaker 1: Count Dracula episode sometime. Yeah, I wrote this awesome article
Speaker 1: on it, and it is it's verified. It was there
Speaker 1: a real countract. It's about Vlad Tepis, the Vlad the Impaler. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he just borrowed the name in the in the title, right,
Speaker 1: he wasn't really based on this guy who Count Dracula
Speaker 1: brom Stoker's yes version, right, Vlad Tepis was probably far
Speaker 1: far worse than um anything bram Stoker wrote about Count Dracula,
Speaker 1: way worse. Yeah, yeah, his like it is verified, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: he had all sorts of guys who were um against
Speaker 1: him and who published extensively all these um like books
Speaker 1: and pamphlets and all this stuff to smear his name.
Speaker 1: But they got a lot of stuff, right, Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: he was into some horrible stuff. He killed a lot
Speaker 1: of people. Uh, he had a lot of people killed.
Speaker 1: His armies killed a lot of people. He Uh, he's
Speaker 1: probably like most rulers of the day. He was he
Speaker 1: was worse. He was most likely worse than anybody else.
Speaker 1: So he borrows this name in this title and social
Speaker 1: standing as an aristocat aristocat great movie aristocrat. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a naked woman in that um in that one
Speaker 1: in the Aristocats, Yeah, the Disney cartoon. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: one with the is that the one with the No,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the Rescuers. I remember that there's a
Speaker 1: naked woman in the Rescuers. Yeah, when they're flying through
Speaker 1: the city. If you watch it frame by frame, they
Speaker 1: passed by a window and there is a photograph of
Speaker 1: like a woman standing in the window naked. Um and
Speaker 1: like you have to watch it like in in you know,
Speaker 1: frame by frame is the only possible way to see it,
Speaker 1: but it's in there. Yeah, they were dirty. There's also
Speaker 1: the little mermaid thing the the palaces. Yeah, hidden, not
Speaker 1: so hidden, pallast Yeah. I'll bet that guy was like,
Speaker 1: no one's ever going to see this, and then he
Speaker 1: lost his job forever. So um, So Stoker borrows this,
Speaker 1: uh the name. Like I said, the social standing says,
Speaker 1: this would be a great setting. Let's throw it in Transylvania.
Speaker 1: Let's let's change a few things. Let's borrow from a
Speaker 1: bunch of different uh folklore, and let's let's say maybe
Speaker 1: you can't go out in the sunlight, and let's bring
Speaker 1: up the crucifixes. Now, and let's make him really smart
Speaker 1: and um charming, and well that was largely Bella le
Speaker 1: GHOSTI that did that. Well, No, brom Stokers was totally
Speaker 1: like that. I thought his was um that he was
Speaker 1: like a withered, ugly old man, you know, but he
Speaker 1: was still had like the stuct of powers, suave and
Speaker 1: all that wave because he would Yeah, he changed ages
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, Well he does in the movie,
Speaker 1: and I've heard the movies are pretty faithful adaptation. And
Speaker 1: it was also I think the first time where um,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they didn't have any reflection because
Speaker 1: most of the previous les uh legends they love their reflection. Yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently not only were they in love with their own
Speaker 1: reflection and they could be lost for hours staring into
Speaker 1: a mirror, they were also supposedly obsessive compulsive, as some
Speaker 1: like Eastern folklore goes. And one way to ward off
Speaker 1: vampires was to spread seeds outside of your house because
Speaker 1: the vampire would be um bound to count every single seed,
Speaker 1: and if you put a little nail or attack or
Speaker 1: something in there, when the the vampire went pick that
Speaker 1: one up, it would prick itself and I'll drop all
Speaker 1: the seeds and forget where it was and start counting
Speaker 1: all over. Oh, you gotta start counting again, and then
Speaker 1: you'd just be sitting inside, laughing, drinking your ale. Stupid vampires.
Speaker 1: So um, that was another difference. I'm sorry, we've been
Speaker 1: calling them stupid vampires and up until the nineteenth century,
Speaker 1: like you could make that case like they were kind
Speaker 1: of dead zombiesque a little bit. Um. It was Stoker
Speaker 1: that introduced, like you say, not not to sell this
Speaker 1: other stuff, but the acute intelligence, that's right, this this
Speaker 1: very smart like power of persuasion, almost hypnotic um Svengali type.
Speaker 1: And in True Blood they have this thing they do
Speaker 1: called glamouring, which is kind of a silly name, but
Speaker 1: it's almost like a charm, like a spell that they
Speaker 1: can put over you if you like black eyes with
Speaker 1: one and you know, when you glamor them there you know,
Speaker 1: basically in a hypnotic state, you can They're highly suggestible,
Speaker 1: I get into a sexual way, well, in all kinds
Speaker 1: of ways, but yeah, there's plenty of They usually are
Speaker 1: just like take off your pants, did you say like
Speaker 1: that point and say in a creepy tone, yeah, see,
Speaker 1: you don't tell me you can't act, you could play
Speaker 1: the role as a vampire. Take off your pants. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got the job. Let's do some voguing stuff you
Speaker 1: should know, Stu, stuff you should you should know. So
Speaker 1: you mentioned Bella Lago Si film Dracula um, which was
Speaker 1: you know, where we get the cape and the I
Speaker 1: want to Drink your blood and the sort of familiar
Speaker 1: modern vampire that pop culturally speaking that we're familiar with
Speaker 1: today and one of the best songs ever Ba houses
Speaker 1: Bella Ghost He's Dead. Yeah, excellent silent film Nosavarato with
Speaker 1: Max Shrek a little more true to the original creepy
Speaker 1: looking guy. What was the movie starring Willem Dafoe and
Speaker 1: um uh oh about Yeah, yeah, that was good. What
Speaker 1: is the name of that movie? Do you remember? I
Speaker 1: can't remember, dude. That is such a good movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to see that movie again. I do too. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's a great one. The ending is just yeah, what
Speaker 1: is it? Shadow of the Vampire? R that live correction? Uh.
Speaker 1: And Rice then came along and um yeah, nothing happened
Speaker 1: in between, but and Rice definitely brought things more into
Speaker 1: the forefront as far as um this range of emotions
Speaker 1: and he's really complex characters. Um, I didn't think the
Speaker 1: books were very good, but it's just not my bag.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I read the first one and it's just
Speaker 1: not my thing. Okay, yeah, I mean I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it was not good. It's just not my thing. I'm
Speaker 1: with you. Buffy the Vampire Slayer, of course, classic, not
Speaker 1: so a great movie, great TV series. I love that movie.
Speaker 1: Well that's good. God. Yeah, I thought it really became
Speaker 1: itself when the cast changed. And I love that movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's great. Have you seen that South Park where
Speaker 1: like all the kids start becoming like vampires, all the
Speaker 1: good kids. It's like very trendy and hip to be
Speaker 1: to be like a vampire and give yourself a new
Speaker 1: name and everything. Um, and they drink clomato. Oh I
Speaker 1: love clomato. Yeah, you're in the minority, buddy. That's the
Speaker 1: secret to my famous bloody Mary. I know you've told
Speaker 1: me it's a good South Park Chuck. I'll check it out. Um,
Speaker 1: where are we now? Should we talk about psychic vampires
Speaker 1: a little bit? I guess all right? These are people
Speaker 1: in modern times that claim that they crave and feed
Speaker 1: on others energy, their psychic energy and they claim to
Speaker 1: be vampire rish or vampire rick, vampire esque, vampire esque um,
Speaker 1: and that they will not If they do not do this,
Speaker 1: then they will not have feel like they have fed
Speaker 1: on you know, sustenance like that is their sustenance is
Speaker 1: other people's psychic energy. And it also goes back. It's
Speaker 1: you know, modern people claim this, but it goes back
Speaker 1: you know, thousands of years. Um. This phenomenon does is
Speaker 1: nothing new. Well, they actually think that it may have
Speaker 1: given rise to vampire lords. We understand it now. And
Speaker 1: it's also a metaphor if someone you know, someone can
Speaker 1: call someone a psychic vampire if they're just a drain
Speaker 1: as a person. You know those people I do energy vampires.
Speaker 1: That's right. Not to be confused with the other kind
Speaker 1: of energy vampire, which is like your coffee maker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these things that are left on all night. Um. So
Speaker 1: there's there's we kind of touched on it earlier, the
Speaker 1: idea of why, um, where we would have gotten vampire legends.
Speaker 1: People use it to explain phenomenon that we didn't understand
Speaker 1: before there was such a thing as like germ theory. Right,
Speaker 1: so you have like um lamas too being blamed for
Speaker 1: sids and and um, uh, miscarriage is that kind of thing, right,
Speaker 1: And then you have, um, a couple other diseases that
Speaker 1: we've come to understand that they're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: We've never really definitively linked this to vampire lore, but
Speaker 1: I'll bet you this gave rise to it. It probably
Speaker 1: didn't help, so like like, what, uh, porphyra? Do you
Speaker 1: pronounce that? Porphyria? Porphyria? All right, we'll go with that.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the others? Nicole? Is that what
Speaker 1: those kids had? Okay, all right, that makes sense. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's a rare disease. Um irg irregularities in the production
Speaker 1: of of him with himmy, which is an hemoglobin hem
Speaker 1: hem yeah, like himmy, but then got a himmy that's
Speaker 1: a that's an engine. Yeah. Um. And basically what you're
Speaker 1: gonna be sensitive to sunlight, You're gonna have a bad
Speaker 1: stomach pains, you may be delirious. Um. Back in the day,
Speaker 1: one prescription may have been to drink blood. So I
Speaker 1: would say that's probably a dead giveaway right here. And
Speaker 1: have you seen pictures? Yeah, people stricken with us creepy looking.
Speaker 1: Their teeth can be like red or black, and their
Speaker 1: gums can be red and black, which is I think
Speaker 1: probably another reason why they link that to that. And
Speaker 1: it's hereditary, so there, you know, there were places where
Speaker 1: there was more of this um happening than other places,
Speaker 1: which would also lend itself to the whole vampire thing
Speaker 1: and feeding on your family. Yes, the same with tuberculosis,
Speaker 1: like when when people were kind of spread out except
Speaker 1: your family and there were nineteen of you and you
Speaker 1: all lived in one house. If one of you had
Speaker 1: TB probably the rest of you were going to catch
Speaker 1: TV and a lot of you were gonna die from it.
Speaker 1: And whoever was the first one to die of this
Speaker 1: was probably the original vampire who's feeding on the other
Speaker 1: and you're probably the one who's going to be dug
Speaker 1: up and have your heart cut out and burned. But
Speaker 1: at that point, who cares. And then there's another disease
Speaker 1: called catalepsy, which is associated with epilepsy. This one is freaky.
Speaker 1: Do you ever see that Twilight Zone where um, I
Speaker 1: can't remember what actor it was. It may have been
Speaker 1: the professor from Gilligan's Island or he's in a cart
Speaker 1: and he's paralyzed and he's the whole thing is just
Speaker 1: him talking to himself in his head like locking these people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to not bury him because he's not dead, and um,
Speaker 1: it's really it's a great episode. So is he cataleptic? No,
Speaker 1: he was kind of like you said, locked in Twilight Zone.
Speaker 1: Catalepsy is a it's a specific neurological disorder, like I said,
Speaker 1: associated with epilepsy, where your muscles just freeze up and
Speaker 1: an episode like this can last for days and your
Speaker 1: heart rate slows and your respiration slows and you're alive
Speaker 1: and God knows what yourans doing, but you're alive during
Speaker 1: this time. But you know, prior to say embalming, you
Speaker 1: may have just been taken for dead and putting in
Speaker 1: the ground and you had to dig your way out
Speaker 1: and go back home. Yeah. And it's also associated with schizophrenia.
Speaker 1: So you're sitting around the dinner table and uncle, um, uncle,
Speaker 1: what Vigo? Uncle Vigo? Remember like the gamble. He comes
Speaker 1: in three days after you buried him, brushing dirt office
Speaker 1: overhauls in a schizophrenic having a schizophrenic episode, and you
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna put a stake through his heart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know if you're smart, which is just not fair
Speaker 1: because after an experience like that, it's like, why would
Speaker 1: you wait? Why not? Why not let fate kill this
Speaker 1: man before he goes to this horrific stalectic experience and
Speaker 1: then it all end with a stake through the heart.
Speaker 1: Let him get hit by a truck with a hemmy
Speaker 1: or something ahead of time. Uh. And then I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure about this suggestion, but it might carry a
Speaker 1: little weight that what happens after a regular human body dies.
Speaker 1: Um might have fed into this a little bit, I
Speaker 1: would say, so um, fingernails and hair um continue growing.
Speaker 1: So this is like if they dig you back up,
Speaker 1: they're like, look, the fingernails are long, the hair has grown.
Speaker 1: They're bloated because you're full of you know, gases expanding.
Speaker 1: So let's cut them open and this all this fluid
Speaker 1: drains out and say, see they've been growing their hair
Speaker 1: and fingernails and feeding on others bodily fluids. They're alive
Speaker 1: there well or undead, but uh well, I mean I
Speaker 1: can see like they're going back and resting, and like
Speaker 1: they obviously have gorged themselves. Look at their stomach, it's
Speaker 1: all distended. So I mean I think it was probably
Speaker 1: like the nailing the coffin on their beliefs like this
Speaker 1: is just is all absolutely correct. Yeah I could see
Speaker 1: that though. Yes, and then the notion of the vampire
Speaker 1: bat um came along later on, where the vampire could
Speaker 1: shape shift into bats and sometimes wolves, although in Twilight,
Speaker 1: wolves and vampires are on opposite sides. Yeah, I said
Speaker 1: I would mention it again. Yeah, there I went. Um,
Speaker 1: but the whole thing of the vampire bat was just
Speaker 1: like a creepy uh. You know, real vampire bats are
Speaker 1: docile creatures and they might drink like the blood of
Speaker 1: a cow, but they're not attacking people. No, that was
Speaker 1: all for there's harmless as vampire babies. You know, what
Speaker 1: are some of your favorite movies, Josh, Oh, vampire movies? No,
Speaker 1: just comedies like a DC cab dr Detroit Um. I
Speaker 1: would say probably the best of all time in my opinion,
Speaker 1: as Lost Boys, it definitely has a kitch value. Now,
Speaker 1: that is a great movie. It doesn't hold up super well.
Speaker 1: Have you seen it? No, I haven't seen it in
Speaker 1: a while, And it's the ways that other eighties movies
Speaker 1: don't really, because that was like a cool movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Echo and the Bunny Man covered the doors in it.
Speaker 1: Come on, shall not ki? It's a it's a strange song.
Speaker 1: Near Dark. Did you ever see that one? I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Seven Bill Paxton and uh that one guy
Speaker 1: Lance Heinrixen. They're like these modern vampires traveling in a
Speaker 1: r V through the desert and killing people. Really good.
Speaker 1: I have not seen that. Near Dark is excellent. What
Speaker 1: about first bite with the George? George Hamilton's first bite
Speaker 1: was yeah, he's like a disco Dracula. Vampire's kiss was funny.
Speaker 1: Nick Cage, I never saw that one. It was good.
Speaker 1: I thought the original Fright Night. Granted it was the
Speaker 1: eighties again, but for me, it was pretty good back
Speaker 1: in the day. I haven't seen that. Um Cronos, have
Speaker 1: you seen that? Garma del Toro? I don't good one.
Speaker 1: I think I've seen it, and then um, of course
Speaker 1: let the right one in Both versions to me very good.
Speaker 1: I really I heard the American version of us compared
Speaker 1: to the original, I thought they were both pretty great.
Speaker 1: I'll check it out. Then you know they didn't like
Speaker 1: definitely didn't ruin it by americanizing it. And then there
Speaker 1: of course the bad ones like Van Helsing West Craven's
Speaker 1: Dracula two thousand, Um Blood rain R A Y n E.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's lots and lots of bad vampire movies.
Speaker 1: Dracula Dead and Loving It. That was good, though. Um,
Speaker 1: do you know how many emails we're gonna get from
Speaker 1: people that would say, like, you forgot about this one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just say there are hundreds of vampire movies. There's
Speaker 1: TV shows now, the Vampire Diaries, True Blood, which I mentioned,
Speaker 1: which is sort of good again after falling off the
Speaker 1: rails in my opinion, and um, Twilight Breaking Dawn part two,
Speaker 1: what is your problem? It's twice in theaters near you. Oh. Actually,
Speaker 1: that seventy nine Dracula with Franklin Jella. That was good.
Speaker 1: Did he play Dracula? Yeah? Yeah, he was good. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I could see him. I'm sorry I wasn't thinking of
Speaker 1: the right person. And then if you're into old movies,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't go wrong with with Bella Orghosi
Speaker 1: or uh not Sparatoya. Take some time watch an old movie.
Speaker 1: That's what I say. Yeah, that's uh, that's pretty much
Speaker 1: your life coaching, I think. So take some time watch
Speaker 1: an old movie, says Chuck. Watch some of them black
Speaker 1: and white for a change. Um. Hey. Also, while we're
Speaker 1: while we're on this kind of scary esque topic, you
Speaker 1: want to plug somebody real quick? Yeah, I think we
Speaker 1: have another horror fiction as right as we said we
Speaker 1: would um plug people who sit in their stuff for
Speaker 1: a horror fiction contest. Um and who went on to
Speaker 1: publish stuff? Um. And one of the guys, Christopher Kelly,
Speaker 1: who wrote the very cool short story Variable UM, took
Speaker 1: us up on that, and he says that he has
Speaker 1: a creepy novella about two boys whose father tries to
Speaker 1: kill them called Abraham Road not Bram Road. Uh. He
Speaker 1: says that it's, um, it's what would have happened if
Speaker 1: HP Lovecraft free wrote of Mice and Men, which is
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. It's available on Kindle. You can go find
Speaker 1: that on Amazon dot com Abraham Road ebook. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then he also has a collection called I Held My
Speaker 1: Breath as Long as I could twenty three stories of
Speaker 1: the strange, the Sinister in the literary um. And you
Speaker 1: can get that on Amazon as well, So check those out.
Speaker 1: Christopher Kelly, thanks for sending in your work. We liked
Speaker 1: it a lot. And remember anybody else who has published
Speaker 1: and entered our horror fiction contest. We want to say
Speaker 1: thanks by letting everybody know about your stuff. If you
Speaker 1: wanted more about vampires, and it's been a while, hadn't
Speaker 1: um You can type that word into the search bar
Speaker 1: a House of worked dot com. It will bring up
Speaker 1: a bunch of cool stuff, including um, who was the
Speaker 1: real count Dracula? This vampire article written by Tracy Wilson,
Speaker 1: which is a great one. Oh. Tracy wrote that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: couldn't you tell? It was pretty thorough? Uh. And then
Speaker 1: also another one I liked a lot was a Hungarian
Speaker 1: um countess the world's most prolific serial killer. She's like
Speaker 1: the female Dracula, Elizabeth Bathroy. Yeah, yeah, awesome stuff. Type
Speaker 1: that in the search bar and it will bring all
Speaker 1: this great stuff up. And since I said search bar,
Speaker 1: it's time for listener mail. All right, Josh, we're gonna
Speaker 1: call this a trivia plug. Um. We went to New
Speaker 1: York for Comic Con and we had one of our
Speaker 1: trivia nights there and one of the things that we
Speaker 1: were required to do and want to do is read
Speaker 1: the names of the trivia winners, and so I got
Speaker 1: emails from them, and the thought in the runner up
Speaker 1: team because they were cool and I'm gonna read them all.
Speaker 1: This is from the winner, Kyle um Jannish or Yannish.
Speaker 1: I'm sure how he pronounced that. Thanks guys for hosting
Speaker 1: the event. Um as an Avid s y s K listener,
Speaker 1: our team, Steve Holt, had a great time. Nick team
Speaker 1: name was Steve h Holt. We were made up of
Speaker 1: mainly former Midwesterners, which gave us a good advantage in
Speaker 1: the Great Lakes question. We had three girls in fashion,
Speaker 1: Caitlin Grummel, Monica Lange and Amy Guidal. We also had
Speaker 1: three teachers, Dan Ferrell, Michael Rakowski and myself Kyle Jannish
Speaker 1: and my twin who does social work Mike Jannish and
Speaker 1: my friend who seems to always be working for a
Speaker 1: pyramid scheme, Mica Sterling. So those were the winners there.
Speaker 1: And uh, he says the fashion expertise did not come
Speaker 1: in handy this time, but we were prepared for anything
Speaker 1: except for the Kevin Smith movies category, which I wasn't
Speaker 1: a fan of. They were far behind coming to the
Speaker 1: last question, but wager did it all and one, um,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. That's how it goes in At one of
Speaker 1: our trivia events. Yeah, so Kyle, AND's there, Mike remember
Speaker 1: meeting them? There were buddies with Joe Ran does him
Speaker 1: and he says thanks for hosting and thanks for the
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