WEBVTT - Selects: How Vampires Work 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:05.160 Good evening. This is Josh and for this week's select, 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:11.920 I've chosen Boom m mmmmmmmmm. Sorry about that. My lockjaw 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.320 was acting up. Where was I? Oh? Yeah? For this 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:19.439 week's select, I've chosen a very spooky episode from two 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:24.840 thousand thirteen, How Vampires Work. Hopefully it will really boost 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:28.840 your Halloween spirit with its spookiness. Um. And also, I 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.479 just want to include an apology at the outset to 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.959 all the Twilight fans out there. When this episode was recorded, 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:40.040 I hadn't fully adopted the concept of not yucking someone's yea. 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.760 And with all that said, from Chuck, Jerry, Dave, and me, 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:51.919 Happy Halloween. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production 0:00:52.120 --> 0:01:00.680 of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.200 I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Bryant sitting across 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.840 from me back in the saddle. Uh, and this is 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.800 Stuff you Should Know yo, back in the satellite. Yeah. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.240 Do you want to explain that or should we just 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:19.920 leave it a mystery saddle? Well, with the metaphorical saddle 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.720 is in this case? Yeah? Well, um, you know, we 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.360 have been kind of away, even though it seems like 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.520 we've been here every week through the magic of um 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:33.120 digital recording. That's right, pre recording. We uh, we batch 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.520 recorded our episodes and covered ourselves. We built up what 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.840 we call a kittie and uh we've been releasing them 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.880 steadily and faithfully while we've been off recording a TV show, 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.720 recording a TV show. That's right, our own TV show 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.000 where and you me pointing this out to me, how 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.640 cool it says we play ourselves. Yeah. I think that's 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:54.919 the only thing I'm qualified to do it. Oh, yeah, totally. 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.040 We would have failed miserably if we've done, you know, 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.600 anything else, like a Sherlock Homes Up eight or something 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.040 like that. There's so many of those going on already, 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.040 I know, So why not? Yeah, why not elementary my 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:10.400 dear Clark. Yeah, um, but yeah, we have a TV 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.480 show coming out. I guess we can talk about it freely. 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:15.360 We're done. Yeah, we'll we'll really ramp up the plug 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.840 edge come December, but look forward in January on Science Channel. 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.040 And if you don't have Science Channel, go out and 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.200 purchase Science Channel. Yeah, and we are. We do not 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.840 know because I know people are already asking about online 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.360 um stuff if they're going to be available, like, uh, 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.600 you know through various media outlets online. But yeah, we 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.040 don't know yet and we're working on that. We'd love 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:39.880 for it too, but it's not up to us. Yeah. So, 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.040 I mean you have to head your bets and yes, 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.760 added to your your cable subscription, and if your cable 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:50.280 provider doesn't offer Science Channel, you burn down their offices 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:55.960 until they do. That's right. Um? Okay, So Chuck, Yes, 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.720 have you ever heard of a little movie called Twilight? Yeah, 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.520 I've seen all those You've seen them? Oh yeah, Emily 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:06.360 has read the books and she's way into it, so 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.280 I have been I sucked into it. That's very supportive 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.640 of you. I don't think they're very good. Um, but 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.560 I must admit I do want to see the final one, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.720 just because it's like when you watch four of something, 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.240 or however many it's been three of something, it's just 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.000 become a weird to stop there. So I will see 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.320 the last one. When does that come out? I think 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:29.799 probably sometime around this published date? Oh really, yeah, I 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:35.360 think it's a Thanksgiving her Christmas release. Yeah, okay, Um, well, 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:39.000 I bring that up to propose that that's the only 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:44.160 time we talk about that franchise for throughout this whole podcast. Agreed, Agreed. Um, 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:50.960 Because vampires, which is what we're talking about, they go 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:55.880 back a very, very very long way. They've evolved, they've changed, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:04:01.720 they've shifted their shape. But um, they seem to all 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:06.360 have certain characteristics in common. Right. For example, Um, they 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.840 can't see their reflection, well, not necessarily. Okay, if we 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.480 go back to the ancient myths, Okay, Uh, they are 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:23.080 wary of crucifixes, crucify na crucifixes. Uh, they only come 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:27.120 out at night. Yeah, they're the undead. Yeah, suck blood 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.560 from a victim's neck. They have to be invited into 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:35.080 your home. Yeah. Garlic as well, holy water, Yeah, superhuman strength, 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.360 al tenants of the modern vampire lore. Yes, and modern 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.200 is a good It's a good way to put it, 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:44.480 because all of this is a fairly recent um image 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.919 of the vampire. Thanks to Bram Stoker and then shortly 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.400 after that Bella Lagosia, we now have this conception of 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.159 the vampire. But like I said, it goes back way 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.840 way further than the nineteenth century or even the eight 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.240 eighth century. Yeah, it goes back as much as four 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.599 thousand years as far as we know. I'm probably further back, right, Yeah, 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.000 And I will say one thing, not to bring up 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.800 the T word again, but brom Stoker and other authors 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.480 and filmmakers, the cool thing I like about the vampire 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:20.200 and pop culture is you can pull from all these 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:24.159 different things to create your own creature of the night. Yes, 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.360 like some of them. You know, in in like True 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.520 Blood for instance, you know, they can retract their fangs, 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.680 they're super sexy. They you know, Lilith is in that 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:35.720 a version of Lilith that we'll talk about. So I 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:36.960 just think that's kind of one of the cool things 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.520 about vampires is brom Stoker did the same thing. He 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:43.240 pulled from different areas of mythology and said, this is 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.840 a fictional character I'm going to create using all these 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.479 old folk legends. Right. But there are some things that 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:54.200 are are very basic. The commonalities among all vampires that 0:05:54.360 --> 0:06:00.560 generally they suck blood um, and they are dead in 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:04.320 some way, shape or form. They are they're undead. That's 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.880 a that's a great way, just coined an excellent term. 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.440 Just made that up. Um. So you have undead people, 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:14.080 former people in most cases, um, feeding on the living. 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.320 That's the vampire. That's the basis of almost all vampires, 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.479 but even that has exceptions because these early, the earliest 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.240 vampires that we know of that arose out of the 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:31.040 first civilization Mesopotamia. Um, we're actually demon goddesses, right, Yeah. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:35.240 Lamas Do was a demon goddess and she was the 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.600 daughter of Anu, the sky god. And she would um, 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.560 creep in and kill your babies. Yes, she was not 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:46.960 a happy, nice person. She had talents wings um. And 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:51.280 they believe that the Assyrians and Babylonians were basically going 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:55.360 like what is going on when they would encounter sudden 0:06:55.360 --> 0:07:00.760 infant death syndrome or miscarriages, and they said, well, of 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.520 course it is lamas Do, thank you. Yeah. I think 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.400 it's so funny how so many of these things were 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.039 sort of used to explain and not vampires, but all 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.560 kinds of folk legends to explain like what medicine health 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:18.120 says is Sid's right, yeah you know, but I mean 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:22.760 like it's that that this basis of the vampire legend 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:27.960 using it to explain stuff people didn't understand, usually some 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:32.440 sort of sudden death or wasting away as we'll see later. Um, 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.640 it spans thousands of years. People have been going back 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.840 to that, well for thousands and thousands of years. That's 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.920 pretty interesting, you know, when you look at this one 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.320 group in the nineteenth century with the Assyrians four thousand 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:49.760 years ago, and they're all thinking the same thing. That's 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.000 I find that very interesting. That's that's an archetype if 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.080 you ask you. Yeah, and it just goes to show 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.600 you we're all humans all over the world for as 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.440 long as we've been around. We're all stupid. We're all stupid, 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:06.239 all right. Um. Lamas Do is also associated with lilith 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.640 who I mentioned who this past season was on True 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:12.080 Blood like a version of Lilith but Um. She is 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.600 in prominent in Jewish texts and is a lot like 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:22.560 lamas Do. She Um was the first woman, supposedly not 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.679 Eve but Adam and Lilith. Yeah, that's like that question 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:29.840 about like who's the first president. Yeah, well, apparently there 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.920 were other presidents before Washington, like eight or nine before Washington, 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:34.680 but you just have to say, well, were they the 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.199 president of the United States? No, they weren't, right, So 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.040 lilith Um was a modern woman and she was like, 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.079 you know, Adam, I ain't putting up with this because 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.160 I am just the same as you. I was created 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:50.640 from God just like you are, and so, um, stop 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:55.040 acting like you're not made of dust exactly. So she 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.520 left Eden said I'm out of here. I'm gonna have 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.760 my own kids. God sends angel Us to bring her back. 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.160 She's like, no, I'm not going. And the angel said, 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.719 all right, you think angels are nice, We're gonna kill 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.760 one hundred of your children every day until you get 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.400 back up to Eden or Heaven. Yeah. And rather than 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.480 say okay, well let's go back to eat and then 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.360 Lelis said do it, and they did it, and so 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:21.240 she started killing human children in return. That's right again, 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:26.160 with sharp talents, winged demonus stealing infants and fetuses. And 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.440 I find that extremely interesting, um that the vampire legend 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:35.320 is kind of born out of this um, this folklore 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.880 of how you're supposed to be subservient to men, you know. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:44.760 That's uh, that's very interesting because they there's this element 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:50.040 of seduction that kind of was reinvented with vampires here there, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.000 but it's one of the It may have gone away 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:56.319 in some areas, but it always came back, this idea 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:01.079 that there was a woman or a person who didn't 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:08.120 follow sexual mores, whether that sexual meaning like intercourse or gender. Yeah, 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.679 they didn't follow the rules. And that's kind of like 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.440 another thing that's always kept the vampire legend going, or 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.199 that's always been a part of it. I guess that's 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.160 a good point, because lilithaus set up the notion of 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.880 the uh seductress. You know, we see over and over 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.160 in further legends, right Um. And then so Lilith is 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:29.800 associated with ancient Jewish texts. Um, Lamas too is Uh 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:35.120 from Mesopotamia. And they aren't certain if Um Lilith was 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.200 a variation of Lamas too or if they both evolved 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:42.319 from a third character. But um, those are the two 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:46.360 most ancient ideas of vampires that we have. Shortly after that, 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.720 we can head on over to Greece, and they had 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.240 they feared a lot of vampire like creatures. Yeah, Lamia 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:57.439 was another demonus um head and Torso a woman lower 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:02.360 body of a snake and Um. Evidently this was one 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:06.920 of Zeus' mortal lovers. His wife did not take kindly 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.480 to this Hara, and she was like, no, I'm gonna 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:14.640 make you go insane, lady and eat all your children. Yeah, 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.640 you're so crazy, You're gonna eat your kids and then 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.880 come to afterward, that's right. And when she did, she 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.440 went so she she went so berserk, not in the 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.680 Viking way, not berserker, no, just straight up berserk that 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:32.920 she um became a monster again killing children. Yeah, because 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.000 she was jealous of other women who had children. Um. 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:40.560 Who else? Um? They also had the mp Yes, the 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:44.480 daughters of Hakad, who was the goddess of witchcraft, and 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.440 they were shape shifters for the first time. Right. So 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.400 like you have all these all these different cultures contributing 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:57.480 to the vampire that we understand today here there. Um. 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:01.760 And it wasn't just the Greeks. It wasn't just the Mesopotamians. 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.880 You also had India getting into the mix with the 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:09.880 rock Shassa right, um, which was basically like a a 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:15.120 ghoule shape shifting google who once again killed children. Right. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.520 And same with the Vitala, but they were more like 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:22.440 a zombie if you ask me. Yeah, a demon who 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.200 took possession of recently dead bodies freak havoc on a 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.280 living that's a that's a sounds like zombie. Um. And 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:36.960 then the Chinese also had their own thing, um, the Kuei. Sure, Okay, 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.360 you have to say, like that. Yeah. Yeah, Like, um, 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.160 the guy on NPR who always reports from China, he 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.160 speaks to normally and all of a sudden, I mean 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.160 he's doing it accurately, but it's like, um, a little 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.959 bit like Daniel day lewis doing Lincoln. It's like, yeah, 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.839 that's accurate, but do you do you know what? You 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.480 sounds like I wanted to get rid of slavery. That 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.440 was sort of like a jacked up Kennedy. That's weird. 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.640 Little Um, So, how do how do quai come about? 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:08.559 They are corpses who would rise from the grave kill again, 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:13.000 and that happened when a person's lower spirit did not 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.360 pass into the afterlife because of bad things they did. 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.680 So the po was angered by the lower spirit. Yeah, 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.360 and that would reanimate basically and say, you know what, 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.920 I'm gonna attack the living at night once again, because 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.520 what else do I have to do? Nothing? Well, it's 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.960 a good way to exact revenge. Just have to hang around. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:34.439 Here's the wheelbarrow. So all of these stories were floating 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:38.480 around the world and eventually, um, through trade and things 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.120 wound up in Europe. Yeah, the first globalization, the silk 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.199 roads started bringing all these things together and Yeah, they 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.600 moved over to Europe, and that's where they really sort 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.000 of took off, I guess you could say. And in 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:58.400 the place that became the epicenter um was Central Europe 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:02.640 or Eastern Europe, Russia. Yeah, early on with the upier 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:11.199 and again Greek with the oh boy uh rycholacas or kilacas. Yes, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.280 one of those, one of those. You can't start a 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.720 word with four consonants, one of them got to be silent. Yeah. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.880 And this kind of like um was an offshoot of 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:25.760 the Chinese conception of how a vampire became a vampire. Uh. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.800 The upier um, which they think is the word that 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:35.000 led to vampire or vampire um, was basically a person 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:39.000 who during their life was a sinner un baptized baby, 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:44.680 which is really sad, a vampire baby, that's kind of funny. Um. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:49.520 And they anyone who wasn't a Christian, Yeah, practitioners of witchcraft, 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.520 especially of course for obvious reasons, because you'd already sold 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.080 your soul of the devil. Yeah, so you were you 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:59.360 were doomed. You're like halfway there, right, So um, all 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.680 of these fa actors combined to basically make you a 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.080 loser in the afterlife and you're going to come back. Um. 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:11.120 And families were I guess aware of this kind of thing. 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:15.200 They knew that there was the possibility that you know, 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:23.480 uncle Uncle Vigo who had a lot of big gambling 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:28.040 problem which the village looked down upon, um when he 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.520 was alive. When he died, well, he was probably going 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.360 to become a new pier. And so if all of 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:39.200 a sudden Uncle Vigo's like nephews start dying in a 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.960 weird way, um say of maybe a dread disease, the 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.800 family probably go dig up Uncle Vigo and do crazy 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.280 stuff to his body. Yeah. And uh, one thing to 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.080 point out here this is I think the first time 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.680 with the upier that we get the notion that they 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.800 would go back to the grave to rest. Oh yeah, 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:59.560 it's a big one on a regular basis, And that 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.080 sets things up moving forward kind of right. So, like 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.320 you said, they would, um sometimes dig these bodies up, 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.360 sometimes burn them, um, drive a stake through the heart. 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.960 They would really take care of this corpse. They would 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.040 bury them face down sometimes. Yeah, so like if they 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:16.800 tried to crawl out, they would be headed in the 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:23.480 wrong direction. That's pretty awesome, or steaks facing down, so 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.760 if they tried to crawl up, they would stake themselves. 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:30.360 And um. That was this was the about a thousand 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.880 years ago in Central Europe, this stuff, or central or 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.480 Eastern Europe, this stuff started to Um, these beliefs started 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:41.600 to come about that you could solve your vampire troubles 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:47.120 by butchering the corpse of the suspective vampire. Um. And 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.880 it started then and it carried on anytime there's a 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:56.520 vampire panic, which uh, interestingly all almost always attended a 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.760 an outbreak of some sort of disease. Yeah, I could 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.080 see that, um, because once again they're just trying to 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:06.040 explain away exactly medical conditions, right. Um. People would dig 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.000 up corpses and like do crazy things to them, Like 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:13.639 in Venice they found a sixteenth century corpse that had 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:18.159 a brick in its mouth and they no, it hadn't 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.439 it didn't fall in there. Um. And then in the 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:23.320 eighteen fifties there's this really cool article Chuck called the 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.200 Great New England Vampire Panic. It was on the Smithsonian 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.960 website recently. It is awesome. And in the eighteen fifties 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:35.400 in Connecticut there was a tuberculosis outbreak and people panicked 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:43.000 and started digging up graves and just completely um rearranging 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.159 the people's bones, are cutting out their hearts and burning 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.560 them and doing all sorts of crazy stuff. And these 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.920 were this is the eighteen fifties. I mean, this wasn't 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.000 the Dark Ages. Like people were starting to have an 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:59.439 understanding of like disease like the Salem which trial same deal, right, 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:04.160 but hundred years later, a hundred fifty years later, you know, so, um, 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.119 there there was this big panics still as recently as 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:11.600 the eighteen fifties in the US among you know, folk 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.200 who dug up their family members and like burn their 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:19.280 their hearts. Those people are funny. Yeah, they call them 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.639 undecided voters, but those are right, those are the people 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.840 that I'm talking about that they're doing the same thing. 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.040 We're thinking the same things that the Assyrians did four 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:38.800 thousand years before. I just think that's so interesting and backward. Yeah. 0:18:39.600 --> 0:19:07.160 Stuff you should know, stuf stuff you should should know. Um. 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:14.000 So in uh Wallachia, Moldavia, in Transylvania which is now Romania, Um, 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:20.560 they had something called troy and strictoi were um they 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.600 were a little bit different because they were um they 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.200 would go through different stages after rising from the grave, 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.000 Like at first they were just poultergeists and they were 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.400 invisible spirits that would torment their family in the afterlife, 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:37.719 um or in their regular life district boys, afterlife? Does 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.119 that make sense? Um? But then they would as time passed, 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.879 they would become visible looking like they did in life, 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.720 and they would still return and steel cattle and bring 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.920 disease and all that stuff to their family for food. Yeah. 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:51.480 Why would they do this to their family? That's what 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:57.119 I never got I think I saw later. Um that metaphorically, 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.520 it's a it's basically a vampire lore is um a 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.119 life lesson, like, don't be a drain on your family. 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.200 Support your family, take care of your parents in their 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.800 old age, Like you don't want to be a strogoy. Okay, 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.600 you know what I mean? Sure, I guess that makes sense. Um. 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:12.960 And strogoy or a strigg O, which I guess is 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.760 the singular of the strogoy would um. They would have 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:17.479 to go back to the grave a lot, just like 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.719 the upier did, and they followed the same pattern. They 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.040 if they thought someone was a striggo, they would exhume 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.080 the body and take care of it. The old fashioned way. 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.679 And um, but here's a little loophole. If you managed 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.240 to survive for seven years as a Striggo, then you're 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.880 good to go. And they're like, all right, you've got 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.719 staying power. You just go do your Striggo thing. Right. 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.600 You are like the living debt. You no longer have 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.440 to like return to your grave to rest. You're basically reborn. 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:51.040 Well done. Um. And apparently the Striggo couldn't um or 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.600 the strogoy couldn't make their way in their town after 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:58.320 that seventh year, you know, because they went on to vote. 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.439 There is all sorts of the title relations right, Um. 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:03.480 So they would move to other towns and they would 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.560 have secret meetings with other str oy and um, that's 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:12.160 where the idea of vampires fraternizing came from. Yeah, hanging out, Yeah, 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:18.000 talking shop. Yeah. Basically a secret culture of vampires existing 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:23.560 outside of our awareness. You remember, remember like on Jerry 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:25.879 Springer when that was on, or it might still be on. 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.440 Have no idea I think it is? Is it really? Yeah? Wow? 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.919 Is it still the same crap? Oh? Yeah, yeah, he 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.520 didn't take the high road at some point. No, I 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:37.280 just remember back in the day, they would have like 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.960 those real vampires, the people that lived the vampire lifestyle. 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.600 There's a video of it in this um is there 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:46.560 in this article? Oh boy? Yeah those people. Yeah, the 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:50.359 guy looks like a cross between Marilyn Manson and um 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:54.159 Brandon Lee. Oh yeah, yeah, interesting, kind of kind of 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.840 odd looking. He's got the contact lenses and everything. Yeah. 0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:00.359 And they'll they'll shave down their their fangs, like for real, right, 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:04.680 they'll file them down. Yeah. Um. So there's two types 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:09.200 of STROGOI. Right, you've got the strigoi mort not morty 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:13.880 no more isn't dead. So this is the basically who 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.960 we were just describing, and then the strong oy view, 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.639 which is the living, the person who's going to become 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:22.800 a streak o when they die. Yeah, people that I 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:25.440 feel very sorry for because they were probably just born 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.720 with a bump. What are those called? The when you're 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.720 born with a like really just racking my head with 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:38.760 a vestige like a partial tail, yeah, uh, vestigial tail. Yeah, No, 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.879 there's a word for it. I can't remember. I'm so 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:46.879 tired of doing this. Stories have we wasted combined saying 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:49.159 oh I wish I could remember it? Well, we just 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:55.640 invented this off the top of our heads vans at, Yes, 0:22:56.440 --> 0:23:02.240 exactly right, and it sort of drug. Yeah, it is actually. 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:05.359 Um so, if you're a poor baby born with a 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:07.840 vestigial tail a little bump on the top of your 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:11.560 tailbone or um uh, some sort of fetal membrane still 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:13.960 attached to the head, which is called a call, yeah, 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:16.960 they would just call you a string strong o view 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.200 or vou right, and you're sort of like, sorry, I 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:22.720 was born with his bump. I'm not a vampire living 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:26.000 walking on the earth. They said, no, you are, and 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:29.640 if you have kids, and they're gonna be h string 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:33.159 oy in the afterlife, and we'll have to destroy your 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:35.320 body when you die, and they did, and they did so. 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.040 But I guess it's kind of nice that they didn't 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.680 just kill the person while they were living. They just 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:44.159 showed them. I'm sure. Yeah, exactly. Um. The idea of 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:47.560 a call like having some sort of um special significance 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:50.520 is it goes beyond the vampire thing to like like 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:54.119 you're gifted with the second side or there's all sorts 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:58.440 of like supernatural paranormal folklore surrounding people born with a call. 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.640 Once again, people have proven to be stupid over the years, 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:07.440 so um, but this is where vampire came in, right, Yeah, 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.600 this street go, this tregoy um started to come to 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:14.159 be called the vampire, which is again from Upier in 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.080 the Russian and all of a sudden, the stages set 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:19.920 for the vampire legend to really take hold. As it's 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:22.560 taking shape. Yeah, and like this is where pop culture 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:25.480 came into plague. Hysteria had set in, and so painters 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:30.680 and artists and authors had this material that's pretty rich 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.680 for the time. All this hysteria's gone on, So let's 0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:36.119 write a scary book about it. And that's what Bram 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:40.040 Stoker did. Yeah, and he was, um, he was, are 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:43.080 you going with Brom? I go with Bram, you go, Bram? Yeah? 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:45.680 Have you ever read it? I know I saw the 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:49.080 movie though I took it literally. The movie was a 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:52.280 pretty faithful add taste with the couple one. Yeah, yeah, 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:54.320 it was pretty good. The book is great, though. I 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:56.960 took a literature of horror class at Georgia and it 0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:58.920 was one of the cooler classes I took. I'm sure 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:01.440 he did Dracula and f Kenstein and like the House 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:04.240