WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Marco Plus Talks Southern Hip Hop, Touring With J.I.D., New School Influence + More 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:02.759 Every day a week ago. 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:07.200 Click up the Breakfast Club finish for y'all done morning. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:11.040 Everybody's Steve j n V Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.440 we are the breakfast Club. Law La Rosa is here 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.360 as well. We got a special guest in the building 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:19.960 and on our breakfast Club am Twitch chat as well. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.560 Ladies and gentlemen, we got Marco plus welcome. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:28.120 Yo, this is crazy. How are y'all doing? I'm kind 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:29.120 of nervous. I can't cat. 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.040 Why is this crazy? Marco? Why are you nervous? What? 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.320 This is my childhood? Like they're serious. I was watching 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:42.720 my boy Ruben up here with knife yeah, and Night 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:44.400 said something about how this is like one of the 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.280 last places where you can come get some credibility for real, 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.600 Like everything gone. I ain't gonna lie, I ain't. I 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.040 honestly didn't think I was gonna make it up here. 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:53.680 Well, you know you've been gone by the time you 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:55.800 popped up, but it took away to be to you Award. 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.960 I was like, what that's crazy, like you never know 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:01.520 what's gone? 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:02.200 Yeah? 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.000 Yeah, yeah, sir? How old you twenty seven? And the 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:06.520 turned twenty eight in a couple of days. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.800 Yes, we've been on half of your life, yes, sir. Yeah, 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:11.480 when you first get tapped in, you think. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.880 I I'm young, but I got old. Sol I've seen 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:17.319 the ray j fab joint. 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.920 Oh wow, wow, you see this was he wasn't because 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:22.320 he would have been now you'd have been. 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.840 Your mom would have about fifteen. I got kept back 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:31.280 right in like the eighth grade, so you see. Yeah, 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:37.240 damn Sean, I was bad yea, yeah see I got cammability, 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.680 like I ended up in the class. So uh when 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.200 I when I started doing homeschool the next year, I 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:44.559 ain't do that work either. 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.720 Just watch this breakfast club raige was crazy. 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.520 Yeah that's well, thank you, Marchael. We appreciate you skipping 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:53.280 school to watch us. 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.520 So you are, of course, you're a rapper from Atlanta, yes, sir, 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.920 originally born in Florida, Yes, sir, and tell us how 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.160 what got you into to rap? Because you're unlike I 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.640 would say a lot of the rappers. Now, you got 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:07.080 a different way of doing it. So what got you 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:07.840 into what you do? 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:08.120 Now? 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.480 Honestly, it's kind of like embedded, you know what I mean. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.799 My whole family is kind of musical. My granddad, I 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:17.760 think it starts with him. He owned a label in 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:22.840 Pensacola from like the eighties to the nineties. I think 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.959 it was like TSIM or something. It wasn't really very 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.480 big and like some some some flaw stuff happened with 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.440 like co owners and stuff like that. But like, yeah, 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.240 like just the whole family, especially the immediate family, Like 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.680 we're all kind of talented. I think I'm just the 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.520 one that actually had the chance to get out there 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.760 and do something with it. To be honest, I've been 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.760 wrapping my whole life brou my. I remember I remember 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.360 being like a Hot Boys fan as a child, Like 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.000 I have a very I have a very strong memory. 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.760 It goes far back. I could say, like two thousand. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:56.960 I was trying to like look like Layne. 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:56.880 And b G. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:02:59.240 I can see that. 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:03.079 Yeah, what we inspiration? So they weed inspirations, Yeah them 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:10.120 tip uh geezy. As I got older, it was probably 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.839 like I like, I like Prodigy from my deeper lot. 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:14.200 We got the same birthday and. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.120 You name it awesome, you name it some heavy hitters. 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:16.679 I like this. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:17.399 Yeah. Man. 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.200 The crazy thing about Prodigy, I think people are starting 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:21.560 to find a new respect for him. In the last 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:22.960 couple of years, Yeah, long Live Pe. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.160 He was talking a lot of a lot of real stuff, 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.679 A lot of real stuff. That's one of my favors ever. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:29.760 I think Infamous is one of the best albums ever. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.560 Definitely is a lot of your music touches on like pain, reflection. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:35.400 You know, you tap into, you know, mental health a 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.720 lot when you write. Are you you venting or are 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:40.800 you think healing or just documenting? 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.040 You know, it's so crazy. I just started realizing that's 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:48.280 how I I kind of heal from things. My girlfriend 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:52.120 told me I don't talk, so like I realized I 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.040 do most of my talking and my music I do 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:55.440 most of it. 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.119 It seems like you don't like too many people either. 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.040 I hate people tell. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.440 Not not for listen to your music. 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.400 Yeah. Yeah, it's just like, I don't know, man, I 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.360 kind of have a I have a super sense of 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.360 what's the word, cognizance. I can keep in people's cap 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.240 I know when somebody it's kind of being weird, and 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.120 everybody be weird. So it's like sometimes I'd rather just 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:18.640 stay away. 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:20.920 Do you approach people with an open mind? Though? 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.120 Yeah, for sure, you got to. You gotta give everybody 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.440 grace in every situation. But At the same time, I 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.359 don't give people too many times to to show me 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.279 like after like when I first heard the whole fool 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.279 me once, shame on you, I felt like it shouldn't 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.960 be no fool me twice. It's a shame on me 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:41.559 if you fool me once. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.479 Anyway, I feel like that, especially in the work environment. Boy, 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.000 were still getting fooled up here by people. 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.760 So is that how you grew up there? Like did 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.240 you grow up introverted? Or are you just not a 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.080 people's person at all? Did anything happen I had? 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.080 I got a lot of family. I got a lot 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.279 of family. So honestly, I don't be feeling like I 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.560 need friends because it's like I just called my cousins, 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:06.800 call my brothers. I wouldn't say I was necessarily introverted 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.880 up until a certain point, up until like my whole 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.640 life became trying to write at sixteen every day. Yeah, 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:17.719 I got kind of like shut in for. 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:18.400 The for the chat. 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.200 That's what everybody know. This is Marvel plus we're talking 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.640 to if you just joined us, yes, sir, rapping all 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:23.839 this from Atlanta. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.640 I was going to ask how you went from so 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.640 your background in music not really liking people, but finding 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:31.120 you way in the industry where you gotta deal with people, 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.960 and then you get co signed and you're now distributing 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.880 your music through rock Nation. That's yeah, you know how 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.200 shout out to the gang. So what was your how 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.320 did you meet people from rock Nation and how did 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:44.359 that all come about? 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:50.880 Honestly, I was leaving another situation and I honestly didn't 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.520 know where I was going, but I just knew that 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.800 they were showing interest like some I think it was 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.400 one of my friends who had signed there. I think 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.600 he still signed there. He like, he just told me, like, yo, 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.680 these people talk talk about you up here all the time, 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.520 and I was like, I need something to do the 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.440 other do and they was. That was real quick with 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.240 it as well. It was like one month we were 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.159 just talking and in the next month I was signed. Yeah, 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:18.240 it's pretty cool. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:19.760 But it's just distribution. So you still got to handle 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:20.640 everything yourself. 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.280 Yeah, for sure. And I love it that way though. 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.600 I like it that way. I like to be able 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.880 to control my time frame and all of that stuff, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.839 just be able to like I could put out a 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.120 song that I made two weeks ago. A lot of 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.680 people can't do that. Yeah, that's a blessing right there. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.719 But it's costly though, because you got to pay for everything. Correct, 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:44.559 they they help out. Yeah, okay, so it's more than distribution. Okay, 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:51.160 you know what I'm saying that crazy? 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:52.280 I know. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.680 I know, Jim shout you out a lot of chance 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.160 to why'd you tap into those guys? 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:58.520 Uh Ji? 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:04.440 It's funny. Uh. It was like twenty twenty one, right 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.480 he somebody posted something on Instagram and he was like 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.040 rapping an unreleased song from his album Forever Story, if 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.360 I'm not mistaking. The song was crack Sandwich and he 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.640 ripped it. But I'm a rapper, so I commented, like, Yo, 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:22.040 this is hard, but wait till I dropped. And he's 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.080 seen that, and he just remembered. He just remembered it 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:30.120 and waited till I dropped. Yeah, and then he posted 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:34.200 the song he posted lately if I'm not mistaken, And honestly, 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.320 that's kind of where my career fully started. 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.280 If I wow. So he posted it. Did he say 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:39.880 it was hard too? 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:40.440 Yeah? 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.080 Okay, yeah, yeah, he hit me up. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:46.680 We really talked down there every week two weeks at 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.600 this point. Real cool, dude. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.400 The reason I respect that is because a lot of 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.280 artists on to come up wouldn't embrace another artist on 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:53.720 the come up. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.600 People be feeling threatened, you know what I mean. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.200 Yeah, that's the thing for sure. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:58.800 He didn't feel like that with you at all. 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.680 Yeah. Nah, I think it's more so a kindred spirit 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.560 type thing because it's like just being from the A. 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.720 We kind of like the underdog, just off rip. No 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.240 matter how hard we is, we're just the underdog because 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.360 it's like everybody not gonna listen to us. Everybody's not 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.760 gonna want to listen to us. So I really think 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:22.400 it's one of those things where it's like he just 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.200 he seeing me wanting to make something more of not 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.320 just myself but of our scene, and he was like, 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.280 all right, I gotta I gotta put on for that. 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:34.320 You and Jen represent like a lane of the A, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.000 and I'm glad it is kind of making a resurgence. 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.600 You know, I grew up off the Dungeon family. Yeah, 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.840 goodie mon outcast and that. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:42.320 You know. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.040 They don't get me wrong, it's crude off that tree 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.360 for sure, Like the Killer Mike's you know, lyricists like 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.679 t I, but like y'all are really in that space 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:51.280 of like, man, this is the Atlanta that I grew 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:51.560 up on. 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.760 Yes, sir, I wonder what that's about though, you know 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.880 what I'm saying, I wonder why we like because I 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.400 really don't have no idea of why I like. I 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:05.160 was attracted to the style that I do. Like I'm from, 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.920 I'm from like Atlanta, Atlanta. All I really know is 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.520 defo l You know what I'm saying. I know is 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:17.880 young droer. All I know I get busy lyricists. Come on, man, 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.080 I'm so happy you said that. 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.480 But and I guess you know, it's just different ways 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.079 to do socially conscious music. Yeah, I mean, y'all does 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.719 socially conscious show. You know, Mike definitely does socially conscious music. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:29.800 It's just different ways to do. 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:30.720 It, Yeah, for sure. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.560 So the name of your album is Marco Plus Versus 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:34.559 the Underworld. 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.120 Marco plus versus the Underworld. 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.679 So break that down. What what is you versus the Underworld? 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:44.320 The Underworld is? Honestly, well, number one is dealing with. 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:45.240 Your shadow side. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:50.840 Yeah see that's yeah. That it's me coming from where 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.600 I come from and just the pitfalls of being from 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.520 the area where I'm from. It's about the underworld is 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:03.080 the industry. The under world is my emotions. The underworld 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:07.640 is infidelity, trust issues, all of that. I feel like 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.280 I chose the word the underworld because all of that 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.520 shit could feel like or excuse my language, it can 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:17.000 feel like hell, you know what I mean. So that's 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:18.559 kind of where I was coming with, you know what 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.920 I'm saying. And of course Scott Pilgrim versus the World 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.440 that was a fire movie. Yeah, so was the depression, trauma, 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.880 just all of it, like a culmination of all of it. 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.120 You know, sometimes you don't know where your depression come 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.560 from until you actually dig deep by y'all, just be 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:41.120 sad like so like just just having to realize that 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.920 nobody gonna do it for me. Ain't nobody really gonna 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.560 outside of you know, your family, and nobody gonna love 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:53.360 you for real like you and this by yourself. And 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.800 that's I feel like it's just a journey. It's like 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.679 the project is a journey for me come from. I'm 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.080 sorry a few things I ain't gonna lie. I was 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.080 depressed as hell when I was a kid for some reason, 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.920 like and I ain't like granted, I probably didn't even 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.080 know what I meant. But it was one day at school, 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.520 I forgot what we was doing in gym. I couldn't 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.600 do it. Push up it was right it it was 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.320 something crazy, I don't know, but I told them folks 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.360 I wanted to kill myself. Them folks called my mama 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.880 so fast, and they thought my mama was was like 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:31.200 abusing me or something. 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.000 Oh, did you really feel that way or you just 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:34.560 was upset about what happened in gym? 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:35.160 Bruh. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.680 See, that's the thing. I think I was just sad. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.960 I think it was just sad sometimes, Like I don't 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.040 know if I wanted to die, like death, I don't 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.520 even know if I understood the concept of it. But 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:52.679 then like it was like I like later on, I 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.080 kept having like just little problems in my head, you know, 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:57.800 like I don't know if it was coming from like 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.960 having having us a tad less than everybody, so like 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.200 you don't got the same type of swag, you don't 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.280 got the same type of things, or whether it's like 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.520 me not seeing my pops a lot, like just because 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.160 like we was in different places at the time. I 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.320 don't know where it came from. Depression is a sticky 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.480 it's like a it's a weird thing. It's a very 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:18.000 weird thing. 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.400 I always wonder. I always wondering with depression, like what 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.680 you're dealing with? Is it because you've seen it and 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.040 people talked about it so much. Right when I was 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.640 a kid, that wasn't a thought, you know what I mean. 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:30.880 It's like you can't push its either you're gonna try, 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:32.880 or you're gonna joke your way out of it, or 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.760 you fail. But nowadays, I feel like that's the that's 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.720 a reaction that a lot of kids hear and see. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.840 So that's that emotion that they go to even like you, 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.679 even if they don't mean it, but when they say it, 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.480 it opens up a can of worms because you never 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.240 know if they're saying it because they really mean it, 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.520 if there's a problem at home. So I always wonder 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.280 when when you thought it, like where that came from? 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:53.520 Where that feeling came from? 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.840 Yeah, man, honestly, I'm not I'm not sure. 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:59.400 I don't think that I never got to the bottom 0:12:59.400 --> 0:12:59.560 of it. 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.520 Yeah. I feel like it's a lot of people who 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:07.000 trying to figure out why they don't feel full, And 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.800 I don't know. I kind of been I've been one 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:15.200 of those people. Sometimes I'm still am I don't know. 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.280 I feel like we all just kind of go through 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.920 our things and get through them. Sometimes people brain receptors 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:20.559 be different. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.480 To figure it out, I was going to say, you said, 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:24.800 do you feel like you're one of those people that 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.120 still battles with that? When I was listening to it? 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:31.000 So I listened to the opening on the project, and 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:32.760 it felt like that. It felt like you're talking about 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:34.080 so many different things, but it felt like a battle 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.000 between you have hope and then you lose it, but 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.520 you're still pushing through. You say they lost hope, they 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.200 convinced that God don't listen at one point? 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:41.960 Did you feel like God. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.520 Wasn't listening to you or this is just what you're 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.360 seeing and then you're freakant it. 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:52.760 That's a very loaded question because honestly, I feel like 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:57.560 I battle with the idea of faith Sometimes a lot 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:02.920 of people probably wouldn't have said that, But like dog 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:07.960 all right, who am I to say that the man 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:15.880 from wherever he's from is wrong because he read another 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.800 book when he was like younger, and his family and 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:23.640 doctrinated him into this, Like I would feel wrong, and 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.400 like not only that, what if I spent my whole 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:32.440 life believing in something and then I go to hell, 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.920 like go to another hill, Like you feel what I'm saying. Like, 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.720 so it's honestly, it's honestly a confusing thing. Like, of 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:45.680 course I believe that God is real, I just don't understand. 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.280 Sometimes that's fine. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:47.880 I don't think that. 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.360 I don't think that is confusing for anybody, as long 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.560 as you just admit we really don't know. We really 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.280 don't as everybody think they fucking know exactly going on, 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:56.360 and they don't like that. 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.440 You read what you read, you believe what you believe, 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.680 and it is what it is. You really you don't know. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.560 That's my whole and I just respect your vulnerability because, 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:05.960 like you said, a lot of people wouldn't say that. 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.560 A lot of people are afraid to let out the 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:09.320 things in their head. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:09.600 Yeah. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.360 See, I gotta cut youry. Family don't play about that. 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:18.560 My daddy's side on the church, like it's like, they 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.680 don't play about that. But the Higher Power gave me 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.440 this mind for a reason. You know what I'm saying. 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.840 You know, it's a higher power exactly, and that's all. 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:27.240 That's all. 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.840 I'm like, Yo, I think about I always think about, like, okay, 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:34.000 think about before there was anything called religion, right, and 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.160 it was just humans here on this planet. 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.840 They just knew that there was a higher power exactly. 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.800 It just wasn't all of these different religions with all 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.160 these different practices and rituals and you have to be 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.040 here on this Sunday and you gotta do things like this. No, 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.120 I don't think that's how any of this should be. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.280 In fact, man, a lot of it was was creative 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.160 for control exactly. 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.120 But that's a whole nother story. That's a whole other story. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.000 Some Mark plus versus the Underworld is the storytelling. Basically, 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.520 you're telling stories about your journey, yes, from then to now? 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:10.960 Yes, yes, yes, it's it's really like I'm really I 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.200 was really trying to paint the picture of a young 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.560 man coming of age and trying to trying to make 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.640 a name for himself while dealing with all of these 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:24.520 types of issues because a lot of people don't understand, like, yeah, 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.960 we musicians, but like we got real life, like real 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.720 life things going on. So it's like, yeah, like this 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.360 is the main mission, but I gotta I gotta kind 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:39.040 of conquer all of these other things and it just 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.200 becomes a very difficult trip sometimes. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.240 So when do you have fun? What do you enjoy doing? 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.360 When do you feel full? Do you have times that 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:47.080 you feel full? 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.080 When I went with my kid, Yeah, when I want 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.800 my daughter, for sure. When I with my girlfriend, I 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.080 smoke a lot. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.680 What crazy? 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:12.439 But yeah, I'll be cooling. Man, I need to figure 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.040 out what to do to relax. I don't know how 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.360 to relax. I feel like my shoulders are tense right now. 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.680 I literally told my wife I went to the dinners, 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.720 and the dinners on me. You always clenching your teeth. 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:24.000 You gotta stop clenching your teeth. 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.800 I just learned I do that in my sleep. Yeah, 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:28.919 I learned. We're not supposed to rest our tongue at 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:29.840 the top of our mouth. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:31.000 Mhmm. 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.120 That's crazy like that that's a sign of life. Even 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.200 though I can do that, right, You just got a list. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.600 His tongue too thick. Sometimes press it at the top of. 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.359 The roof of your mouth, though. 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.600 I need to start doing that and get a retainer 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.399 or something. Yeah, grinding my teeth, man, that. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.200 Guy, I don't know. I don't know. You're figuring it out. 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.000 I don't know. How you figure that out? 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:56.120 Crazy? 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.600 Do you have a sense of yourself to fear that 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.159 like being too vulnerable change out like fans. 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:05.800 And see, nah, I gotta it scared me because the 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.280 the ratneyal week as hell and they'll try to like 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.399 take advantage of you or like play you for a laye, 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.399 like just because you like you yourself. But I fade 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:20.040 any one of y'all. That's just honestly how I feel like. 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.600 I feel like your your supporters are your supporters for 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.719 a reason. They're gonna understand and feel you because they 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.720 like you connect from this certain place, whether it be 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.640 one part of the music or the other. But yeah, 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.639 sometimes I'd be like, that's kind of why I be 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.200 distant from a lot of people too. It's like a 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.400 vulnerable god be I'd be, I'd be cool. And I'm 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:47.320 also like a very like if I say you my 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:51.120 partner or people people people who don't respect that all 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:51.400 the time. 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:56.359 So with that being said, right, how does collaborations go? 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:57.360 How do you think about that? 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.280 I got my I got my few friends that I 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:06.040 like to rap with, of course, but honestly, when it 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.119 comes to songs, I'm willing to make music with anybody. 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:11.879