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Speaker 3: Welcome to the inaugural episode of Patriots Dynasty doc Recap
Speaker 3: Matt Smith alongside Fred Kirsh, Paul Prillo, Mike Doss, where
Speaker 3: our job here is to do a wrap up show
Speaker 3: of the Dynasty documentary. The ten part documentary event The
Speaker 3: Dynasty New England Patriots is streaming now exclusively on Apple
Speaker 3: TV Plus. The first two episodes dropped on Friday, Episodes
Speaker 3: one and two, and so we're here to recap that.
Speaker 3: The schedule of this podcast will be as such, we
Speaker 3: will drop a new Dynasty wrap up show every Friday
Speaker 3: for the next five weeks. So let's get to it.
Speaker 3: Episodes one and two. I'm going to start with you, Fred,
Speaker 3: what were you most impressed with in episode one?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, first of all, the opening of the episode.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like if you're at an musico and
Speaker 1: there's an orchestra pit. The first thing they play is
Speaker 1: the overture, and if you listen closely and remember what
Speaker 1: you heard, you're gonna hear little pieces of everything that
Speaker 1: you hear after that in that overture and I think
Speaker 1: that's what they were giving us with that opening, is
Speaker 1: you saw all the little pieces of the stories of
Speaker 1: the dynasty in that opening. And I think they did
Speaker 1: a great job. Like I had to watch it a
Speaker 1: couple times, like, oh, you know, they're gonna talk about that,
Speaker 1: They're gonna talk about that. And I think that that
Speaker 1: opening in caps, you know, is gonna you know, foreshadow
Speaker 1: everything that we're gonna see going forward. It was a
Speaker 1: great hook.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, I totally agree. I thought it really
Speaker 4: got you in it. And you know, for for us
Speaker 4: that you know, we've we've all been around through a
Speaker 4: lot of these you know, for the whole entirety of
Speaker 4: the dynasty, and it brought you right back, you know,
Speaker 4: and you said, Okay, let's get my popcorn, let's sit down,
Speaker 4: let's get ready. I want to relive this. And I
Speaker 4: thought it did a great job. Pictures did a great
Speaker 4: job too. I mean, there was some great sound bites
Speaker 4: that they had mixed in the imidola. One I thought
Speaker 4: was great foreshadowing for something that's coming down when you know,
Speaker 4: the one that's got a lot of play leaning into
Speaker 4: the documentary, you know about playing for Bill, but I
Speaker 4: mean working for Bill and playing for Tom. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: just thought it did a great job of setting the scene.
Speaker 1: It really did.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's the crazy thing, is you realize.
Speaker 5: I mean when in hindsight you forget how long this
Speaker 5: run was and how many huge storylines there were for
Speaker 5: twenty years, you know, in and out, And I thought
Speaker 5: that that part has set a great tone for me.
Speaker 2: I just I loved a lot of the new.
Speaker 5: Stuff, the behind the scenes stuff, the you guys will
Speaker 5: make fun of me, But this stuck out to me.
Speaker 5: This practice footage of Brady wearing a helmet I've never
Speaker 5: seen him wear before. And I'm a nerd about that, sure,
Speaker 5: That's how I am.
Speaker 1: People.
Speaker 6: You know, he had to have a string in his practice,
Speaker 6: but he had the Peyton Milling helmet on it, and
Speaker 6: I'm like, what is going on? I've never seen this
Speaker 6: before in my life. But those are you know, the
Speaker 6: things that that are just so cool. And you know,
Speaker 6: just some of the footage where it's just simple b
Speaker 6: roll and it's these guys hanging out and it's you know,
Speaker 6: future Hall of Famers in the midst of this run
Speaker 6: starting to put things together.
Speaker 1: I just you know that that wow, we're sitting here
Speaker 1: with our senior executive producer, Matt Smith. Kudos to him
Speaker 1: because one of the things I think this documentary is
Speaker 1: is a testament to film everything, even if you're not
Speaker 1: going to use it right away or you may never
Speaker 1: use it. Film everything. Because there's stuff in this documentary
Speaker 1: that I've never seen before. And thank god we filmed
Speaker 1: it so right.
Speaker 4: And for Fred and I to say it's stuff that
Speaker 4: we've never seen before. We were working here through the
Speaker 4: entirety of this and there was stuff that we've never
Speaker 4: seen before.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now Matt probably you know, saw a little bit more,
Speaker 4: you know, he was part of you know, the cruise
Speaker 4: and whatnot. But to see pictures of practice at like
Speaker 4: you know, the old stadium at rent them Staates was
Speaker 4: like cool, Like I've you know, we used to get
Speaker 4: like five minute windows, Mike, just like we do now.
Speaker 4: Half the time we didn't go because it was such
Speaker 4: a pain to get there, you know, like just let
Speaker 4: me know who died, As Eddie Duckworth used to say,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't need to know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't. But behind the scene in the
Speaker 1: team meetings, just unbelievable stuff.
Speaker 3: No one of the things that I was a big
Speaker 3: fan of. And maybe that's to Fred's point. Maybe I'm
Speaker 3: prejudiced because I've seen a lot of the footage. I
Speaker 3: just thought the interviews, by and large, most of them
Speaker 3: were tremendously insightful, and I have some favorites, quite honestly, Paul,
Speaker 3: you and I did a podcast with Scott Pioli within
Speaker 3: the last four or five months. Yeah, Scott comes off
Speaker 3: really really well, and I think keeps the thread.
Speaker 1: It's a good storytelling. He's a really good story He
Speaker 1: was seasoned back then because he comes from a pr
Speaker 1: background right before he came to the Patriots. I mean,
Speaker 1: he he knows how to speak. He's very articulate, not
Speaker 1: a lot of ums and your nose and all that.
Speaker 1: And like you said, Paul, he tells a good story, right.
Speaker 4: And it's one thing to have great information and great anecdotes,
Speaker 4: but to deliver them in a way like the narcotic
Speaker 4: line to me is just fantastic.
Speaker 3: That's and the perspective that I think he brings to
Speaker 3: that he's away from it now, so maybe he can
Speaker 3: see things little bit differently than when he was right
Speaker 3: in the trenches. And I think he realizes, and he
Speaker 3: said this to us at one point in time, but
Speaker 3: I think he realizes. She said, wonder if we handled
Speaker 3: that the right way? Did we do what we really
Speaker 3: needed to do? But they were just so consumed by winning,
Speaker 3: and the winning became a narcotic As Paul said, that
Speaker 3: was really powerful.
Speaker 1: And by the way, we're assuming everybody who's watching this
Speaker 1: has watched the first two episodes, so if you haven't
Speaker 1: turn it off, go to Apple TV Plus and watch them,
Speaker 1: because we're going to give you spoilers. Yeah, no question
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: We are going to ruin everything right because we don't
Speaker 3: know how this has ended, right. And the other two
Speaker 3: interviews that I just wanted to that really were tremendous
Speaker 3: to me. And they were writing character where Tyla and
Speaker 3: Lauria Maloy very good friends, tremendous players during this team,
Speaker 3: but their color and their you know, just the way
Speaker 3: they spoke, the looseness that they spoke, and the way
Speaker 3: that they described things. I thought Patriot fans will really
Speaker 3: enjoy hearing them, how they talked and how they described
Speaker 3: what was going on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were the gatekeepers of the old Patriots. I mean,
Speaker 5: those were the guys from the nineties that were the
Speaker 5: holdovers that you know, were the leaders of that team.
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, just their perspective on Brady
Speaker 5: coming in. I mean, my favorite part of you know,
Speaker 5: Brady coming in and I'm not giving this thing back,
Speaker 5: like you know, you're a rookie, you can to give
Speaker 5: it back, right, That was I mean, those great lines,
Speaker 5: and I mean those guys just they have so much personality.
Speaker 5: But you know, just quickly to go back to Puli,
Speaker 5: I just I love what you said, Matt about his
Speaker 5: perspective and it you know, I don't want to it
Speaker 5: doesn't seem like he you know, is completely like reformed
Speaker 5: or anything, but it just it seems like somebody who
Speaker 5: is in the weeds as close as you could get
Speaker 5: to it and has now gotten out, has now gotten
Speaker 5: some perspective of how it all went and maybe isn't
Speaker 5: entirely proud of how every little bit of it went.
Speaker 5: And I think that kind of comes through, whereas some
Speaker 5: of the other voices you get they're still kind of
Speaker 5: stuck in that or they they you know, they never
Speaker 5: got over it, you know.
Speaker 1: I think he's just such a.
Speaker 2: Unique point of view in this whole documentary and one.
Speaker 3: Of his closest confidences, and the person who brought him
Speaker 3: into the organization is Bill Belichick, and it's in Bill
Speaker 3: Bellich is the same thing. He's true to character. He's
Speaker 3: very buttoned up. His demeanor is very obvious when he's
Speaker 3: in there, and he's the Bill Belichick that I think
Speaker 3: everybody would expect. Whereas Scott he's he's opening himself up.
Speaker 3: He's letting the viewer and the fancy a different side
Speaker 3: of him that I don't think fan saw when he
Speaker 3: was here working with the organization. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was eye opening when when Matt and
Speaker 4: I had him on that Pats from the Past podcast
Speaker 4: and a lot of the stuff he echoes, you know,
Speaker 4: in this thing. And I do think that Mike has
Speaker 4: a good perspective on that. It's like he's the one
Speaker 4: guy that's like, you know, we didn't have to do
Speaker 4: it that way. He expressed that regret with Matt and
Speaker 4: I when we did it. He he comes across, you know,
Speaker 4: really likable, but you know, just sort of with great perspective,
Speaker 4: you know. And some of the stuff, the interaction with
Speaker 4: he and Ernie Adams, to me, some of that stuff
Speaker 4: is really good too.
Speaker 1: It's such great stuff. You know, you brought up Bill,
Speaker 1: and I think Bill in these first two episodes comes
Speaker 1: off smelling like a rose in my opinion, because you know,
Speaker 1: they a lot of it is focused on the Brady
Speaker 1: bled Cell's decision and how gutsy it was to make
Speaker 1: that call because bled Cell was so close to the owner.
Speaker 1: You know, at one part they talked about the owner
Speaker 1: actually talking to Bill about, hey, you know, why aren't
Speaker 1: you you know, so there was a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: on Bill to make this thing. What I think hurt
Speaker 1: Bill is himself. Like we're talking about all these great interviews,
Speaker 1: you know, Ty law and Lawyer Maloya. Lawyer Maloy has
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, acts to grind with this
Speaker 1: team with question, you know, Scott Pioli and Jack. Everybody
Speaker 1: came off great except Bill. He was so standoffish, in
Speaker 1: defiant in his body language. And you know, yes, it's
Speaker 1: the same Bill, but you had a chance to kind
Speaker 1: of open up a little bit more and show us
Speaker 1: a little bit and you didn't take that chance. Although
Speaker 1: I think the actions speak louder than words. Like I said,
Speaker 1: he came off really looking good in these first jar
Speaker 1: as he should, As he should it was.
Speaker 2: It was press conference Bill. That was what I this was.
Speaker 5: This was who we see in press conferences that's guarded.
Speaker 5: You know, even from the initial kind of right crack,
Speaker 5: you know, it felt like he was getting ready to
Speaker 5: go to war a little bit. It makes me wonder
Speaker 5: what it's going to be like when we get into
Speaker 5: some of the more controversial stuff down the road is
Speaker 5: built because I think everybody wants to watch this and
Speaker 5: see the Bill from the Scarneckia induction, the storyteller, the
Speaker 5: one who's going to tell you a little and we
Speaker 5: didn't really get any of that, at.
Speaker 1: Least in the first two episodes. Yeah, you want to
Speaker 1: let me know.
Speaker 4: Let you guys know one thing totally unrelated really to
Speaker 4: the dynasty itself. But David NuGen is a guy who
Speaker 4: not a lot of people listening right now probably even
Speaker 4: know who he is. Right He was a fellow member
Speaker 4: of the two thousand draft class, and he and Brady
Speaker 4: were roommates, and you know, they both played in the
Speaker 4: Big Ten. Nugent was a defensive lineman out of Purdue.
Speaker 4: He has some great home footage that he should again.
Speaker 1: Back to people's stuff, because they watch well, stuff.
Speaker 4: That you've never seen. That's you know that until the point,
Speaker 4: but it's it's stuff that you've never seen before, and
Speaker 4: it just gives you sort of a glimpse of just
Speaker 4: how psychotic Brady is when it came to everything competition wise,
Speaker 4: it was tech mobile, it was pool, you know, it
Speaker 4: was drinking beer, you know, like and he even you know,
Speaker 4: he even lets it slip, like, yeah, maybe you gotta
Speaker 4: mix a couple of waters in here or there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Damian, who he didn't know that he was one of
Speaker 4: the guys, is one of the boys. I just thought
Speaker 4: Nugent's place in this as a sort of anonymous member
Speaker 4: of the Patriots dynasty like that no one remembers, not
Speaker 4: even you, and I really had much recollection of David NuGen.
Speaker 4: I thought it was tremendous.
Speaker 1: But I find myself catching you know, like this is
Speaker 1: a long time ago, and you forget. Yeah, even though
Speaker 1: it was twenty four years ago, they still had camp
Speaker 1: quarters back then, and like young people were filming everything.
Speaker 1: They just weren't putting it on their phones and social media,
Speaker 1: but they were capturing it. And Nugent did that.
Speaker 4: And we're gonna need this for the dynasty, right right,
Speaker 4: twenty five years, so now we're gonna need this.
Speaker 5: That stuff was so great, And just to see Brady
Speaker 5: before he was Tom Brady, just to see him as
Speaker 5: kind of this puffy faced Michigan grad who you know,
Speaker 5: you see the seeds of what he became and all
Speaker 5: the you know, the competitiveness that you guys mentioned, you know,
Speaker 5: some of the just I love the stuff that they
Speaker 5: talked about what made him kind of special, the studying
Speaker 5: he did, and you know, Bill kind of you know,
Speaker 5: finding that out about him.
Speaker 2: I think that's something.
Speaker 5: On the outside, as as kind of a casual fan
Speaker 5: in those early days, was like, well, how can they
Speaker 5: not go back to bled cell? You know that on
Speaker 5: the outside, that's how it seemed, But now you kind
Speaker 5: of see, really there was a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, Paul and I were here on the inside,
Speaker 1: it was an easy decision for Paul and I even me,
Speaker 1: You stick with Brady.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love Drew.
Speaker 1: I still love Drew.
Speaker 4: But Fred's right, like, once Tom started winning games, it
Speaker 4: didn't seem like it was that much of a decision
Speaker 4: to be made. But inside they give you a peek
Speaker 4: and they show you that it was. And I thought,
Speaker 4: again the peoli Ernie Adams interaction you know on Drew
Speaker 4: was interesting, but you prefaced at Freddy when Robert Kraft
Speaker 4: comes on and says that he had a meeting with Bill,
Speaker 4: and I think that he used the phrase that he
Speaker 4: felt like Bill let us down. I felt Bill let
Speaker 4: us down by sort of refusing to going back to
Speaker 4: to Drew. And then you know, Pioli again offering some
Speaker 4: really good insight. You know, he goes back to the
Speaker 4: Cleveland situation, says, we've seen this movie before, we know
Speaker 4: how this ends. So there was an awful lot riding
Speaker 4: on it. So for us, fred it might have looked
Speaker 4: and maybe we make it look a little easier with
Speaker 4: twenty five years of dominance in hindsight, but at the
Speaker 4: time it wasn't probably as much of a no brainer.
Speaker 1: As it It wasn't a no brainer, and like I said,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of pressure on Bill right on
Speaker 1: this decision.
Speaker 3: You're watching and listening to the Patriots Dynasty doc recap,
Speaker 3: and just a final thought on what Robert Kraft said.
Speaker 3: He said those things that you said, you know, he
Speaker 3: blamed you know, Bill was on the spot there, but
Speaker 3: he also I thought what he said to Drew was
Speaker 3: very poignant, incredibly insightful when he said, look, I'm the owner.
Speaker 3: I can go up even say I'm the owner. He goes,
Speaker 3: I can go and tell Billy I can make him
Speaker 3: do it. I can make him do it, but he's
Speaker 3: not going to want to do it. And that's not
Speaker 3: good for you or me, right or me? And that
Speaker 3: was I mean again, we're talking two thousand and one,
Speaker 3: this is a year plus into their relationship. That's tremendously
Speaker 3: insightful about how to handle a festering problem that's going
Speaker 3: on in your organization.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and by at that point, Bill had proven nothing correct,
Speaker 1: like he didn't have the chops he had, you know,
Speaker 1: five years later, he had no bona fides by that point.
Speaker 1: But Robert Kraft let him do his job. And you
Speaker 1: go back to the girod Mayo. I like to hire
Speaker 1: good people and let them do their job. That was
Speaker 1: that was it in action right back then. They hold
Speaker 1: them accountable, right, and hold them accountable. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's sorry but Paul, if I
Speaker 5: jump on this, but I thought Drew looked great too,
Speaker 5: And I mean it's just why I Drew, even through
Speaker 5: this whole thing, class is still a Boston legend and
Speaker 5: is still just beloved by Patriot fans. Still, you know
Speaker 5: the way he handled this whole thing, and as we
Speaker 5: go through it, it's just you realize how hard that is.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, talking to I mean listening to
Speaker 5: his wife talk about how unfair they felt it was,
Speaker 5: and it's it's just bizarre because it wasn't fair, but
Speaker 5: it was the right thing for the team to happen.
Speaker 5: And that's what's hard to heart about it. You don't
Speaker 5: want Drew to get hurt. You want Drew to be
Speaker 5: one of our guys, and I still.
Speaker 1: Think he is.
Speaker 2: I just don't know. Sorry, Paul, I know he's used
Speaker 2: your guy, but but I thought it was great.
Speaker 3: So as we pivot from episode one to episode two
Speaker 3: and Fred you talked, I thought one of the things
Speaker 3: that really struck you that you were talking about is
Speaker 3: how relieved Bill Belichick was in the immediate aftermath of
Speaker 3: the Saints game. If everybody recalled the Rams game, you
Speaker 3: know where they played the Rams pretty tough. That's the
Speaker 3: greatest show on turf. I think there was a little
Speaker 3: bit of a misrepresentation in my opinion in the documentary.
Speaker 3: Is all doom and Gloom. I think the players felt
Speaker 3: like they gave a pretty good punch and wanted to
Speaker 3: see them again, but they split their reps and Bill
Speaker 3: didn't think that Tom was fully prepared for that game.
Speaker 3: In the Saints game, he got all the reps. Fred,
Speaker 3: how do you think he looked after that?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was like the weight of the
Speaker 1: world was off his shoulders. And it showed me how
Speaker 1: much pressure was on him. We know Bill doesn't like
Speaker 1: to single guys out, especially right after games, but in
Speaker 1: this press conference after the Saints game, you could see
Speaker 1: and hear the relief, and he went on and on
Speaker 1: about how Brady played, and you know, and it was,
Speaker 1: you know, thank God, because my career is on the
Speaker 1: line here. I've put my career on the shoulders of
Speaker 1: this young kid from Michigan and it's starting to pay off. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, just to Matt's point about, you know, I
Speaker 5: did the two thousand and one podcast where I interviewed
Speaker 5: a lot of those guys about that game, and you know,
Speaker 5: echoing everything Matt said that. You know, they they felt
Speaker 5: like that was a turning point for them. But it's
Speaker 5: another example of kind of we're not telling this story
Speaker 5: from our perspective or from the perspective of that particular
Speaker 5: team that had a turning point. This is about the dynasty,
Speaker 5: and you know, they're more trying to plant the seeds
Speaker 5: of what when Tom Brady finally turned that kind of corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're mixing up a couple of things here
Speaker 1: because we when we watched it, we were like, they
Speaker 1: didn't portray the Rams game correctly, because that's what you're talking.
Speaker 4: It's a big criticism I would have, you know, like's
Speaker 4: talk point. Yeah, we talked about, you know, the way
Speaker 4: it opened and everything, all the things that we loved
Speaker 4: about the way they sort of presented the documentary. There's
Speaker 4: things I didn't like either, and this is one of
Speaker 4: them because I think Mike is absolutely right and I've
Speaker 4: talked to a lot of those players and they talked
Speaker 4: about that game as being of like a validation the
Speaker 4: Rams game. They lost it. They lost twenty four to
Speaker 4: seventeen in a game that Tom threw a couple of picks,
Speaker 4: and they really accentuated that. They didn't say anything about
Speaker 4: the Antoine Smith fumble inside the one yard line that
Speaker 4: you know, probably cost them the game, and just the
Speaker 4: fact that they went toe to toe with this team,
Speaker 4: and I think they really kind of felt that's the
Speaker 4: first game that they took a really good team's best
Speaker 4: punch and they stood toe to toe with them. That
Speaker 4: gave them validation. Now, the fact that it was followed
Speaker 4: up by the Saints game was such a relief for Belichick.
Speaker 1: As you said, Fred, and I think in that Rams game,
Speaker 1: three Rams got carried off the field, right, you know, right? Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing, this is just a little thing.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I thought
Speaker 3: in Bill's description of Hey, we're going with Tom. Now
Speaker 3: that's it, no more splitting reps. Tom's our guy. I'm
Speaker 3: doing the best thing that I can for the team, team,
Speaker 3: very famous SoundBite, because that's what mister Kraft would want.
Speaker 1: Me to do, right, That's what he's paying hey to do.
Speaker 3: A year plus into the relationship, it wasn't Robert, it
Speaker 3: was mister picked that it was mister Kraft, and that
Speaker 3: just I think that shows you a little bit how
Speaker 3: tenuous maybe that situation. His career is on the line.
Speaker 4: That so now going back to the you know, the
Speaker 4: end of the Rams game, this is why it was
Speaker 4: so like, you know, the relief that Fred talks about
Speaker 4: with with Belichick after the Saints game, which was the
Speaker 4: very next week. In between we go back and we
Speaker 4: hear from Drew and Jew says a line, Uh, you know,
Speaker 4: I was kind of thinking that maybe some of the
Speaker 4: shine is off this nickel and I'm going to get
Speaker 4: a chance to play now insightful, you know, And instead
Speaker 4: Bill doubled down. Yeah, you know, in the face of
Speaker 4: a couple of picks on a national stage. That was
Speaker 4: a Sunday night game, and you know, again, prime time
Speaker 4: Patriots didn't have a lot of that in two thousand
Speaker 4: and one. Wasn't like it is now where you go
Speaker 4: three four times a year. That was their their one
Speaker 4: time to shine. Brady throws a couple of picks. Drew says,
Speaker 4: there's my opening. Bill says, uh huh.
Speaker 1: Closed it. Close the door.
Speaker 5: And I think to your point, Paul, that that point
Speaker 5: maybe could have been illustrated a little bit better by
Speaker 5: why did he stick with Brady?
Speaker 2: Because the team kind of stuck in that game.
Speaker 4: They made it to be this huge with these two guys,
Speaker 4: but in reality, it wasn't so bad. Brady's play wasn't
Speaker 4: so bad, and they picked and chew I thought picked
Speaker 4: and choose some som bites. Chris Collinsworth probably didn't have
Speaker 4: his Pro Football Focus numbers yet you know he hasn't
Speaker 4: he hasn't played well in the last three gad I
Speaker 4: don't even really remember that being the narrative at the time.
Speaker 4: It was how bad Brady was playing. For the most part,
Speaker 4: Brady did a great job of managing that team, staying
Speaker 4: out of trouble and protecting the ball. Knowing what we
Speaker 4: know about Bill, now, that's exactly what he's looking for,
Speaker 4: right right, So I don't I didn't love the way
Speaker 4: that was presented. I think that was a bigger turning
Speaker 4: point in the Dynasty than it was.
Speaker 1: There was an editorial license taken there.
Speaker 3: We spoke about some of the interviews and who we
Speaker 3: thought shined during this and a person that fans haven't
Speaker 3: seen a lot of. And I thought this guy throughout
Speaker 3: the entire ten parts of this documentary was really good.
Speaker 1: And that's Ernie Adams.
Speaker 3: And in this episode too, the contempt that Ernie has
Speaker 3: and I'm sure he spoke for many when he described
Speaker 3: the scribes and if you're not in a building, if
Speaker 3: you're not in a building.
Speaker 1: I didn't love Nie.
Speaker 3: I thought Ernie was really good.
Speaker 1: I thought Ernie was really good.
Speaker 4: I thought that there was a whole thing in the
Speaker 4: second episode where it was cheese Ball Central, where they
Speaker 4: have him re enacting a trip from his home to
Speaker 4: the to the snowball game, and I just thought that
Speaker 4: was just over the top schlock. I describe everybody calls
Speaker 4: reporter scribes like what I like to call them the scribes,
Speaker 4: which everybody calls a newspaper reporter or ascribe. And you know,
Speaker 4: if you're not in the building, you don't know. Well,
Speaker 4: if you're not in the newsroom, you don't know either, Ernie.
Speaker 4: It's not what you do for a living, Like, of course,
Speaker 4: we don't know. I you know, I like. I love Ernie.
Speaker 4: I love his insight. I love when we get to
Speaker 4: interact with him on the Hall of Fame committee that
Speaker 4: we're on. I didn't love him in the back, and
Speaker 4: got to be honest.
Speaker 1: To hear that from his mouth validates what we already
Speaker 1: kind of knew. Yes, they detest the media. Yes, both
Speaker 1: Ernie and Bill are thickest thieves. Yes, their high school
Speaker 1: they've known each other at their high school. They could
Speaker 1: talk without talking, you know, they know each other so well,
Speaker 1: and if Ernie felt that way, you know Bill did
Speaker 1: too well.
Speaker 4: I will say in fairness what I did like about Ernie.
Speaker 4: I thought Ernie and Scott did a great job of
Speaker 4: sort of breaking down play So's deteriorations quarterback really and
Speaker 4: I think a lot of that. You know, Scott told
Speaker 4: the story, but a lot of it was from from Ernie.
Speaker 4: Matter of fact, Scott actually impersonates Ernie a little bit, yes,
Speaker 4: when he doesn't and doesn't spot on. I think Ernie
Speaker 4: called under a wildernised under siege and it wasn't wrong.
Speaker 4: Like Drew was no longer moving well in the pocket,
Speaker 4: that was sort of the beginning of the end for him,
Speaker 4: and I think Ernie was good insightful in that. Fred.
Speaker 3: One of the things that you touched on that I
Speaker 3: think you were impressed by is at the end of
Speaker 3: episode two, you can see the narrative being told about
Speaker 3: where Bill was at that point time in his career,
Speaker 3: where Tom was at that point time in his career,
Speaker 3: and how they sort of pushed one another.
Speaker 1: What was your takeaway? I love that. And you know
Speaker 1: we had the debate Brady or Bill and who made who?
Speaker 1: And this proved because you're hearing their words. At that time,
Speaker 1: they pushed each other. They were both football junkies. It was,
Speaker 1: as Brady said, football from morning until night, and that's
Speaker 1: all we talked about, and we loved it. And Bill
Speaker 1: said he pushed me to be a better coach, and
Speaker 1: I think Bill pushed Tom to be a better quarterback.
Speaker 1: And they were on the same page, you know. They
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they loved each other, but they loved
Speaker 1: being together. Yeah, because they were talking the same language,
Speaker 1: you know, the drive to win and to be better.
Speaker 1: It was the perfect marriage. I'm sorry, I don't whatever
Speaker 1: the narrative is now. Back then, it was the perfect
Speaker 1: marriage and they made each other better.
Speaker 2: That was one of my favorite spread, which just I
Speaker 2: think we get so caught.
Speaker 5: Up in, you know, Bill and giving his knowledge to Tom,
Speaker 5: and I don't think it gets enough credit to Tom
Speaker 5: saying you know, or Bill saying that he pushed me
Speaker 5: that I knew I had to be as prepared. I
Speaker 5: don't think that that's an angle that you know, really
Speaker 5: has gotten talked about.
Speaker 2: Much or even really highlighted. That was one of my
Speaker 2: one of my favorite parts.
Speaker 3: And I think that now that we've seen how the
Speaker 3: story has ended, but we get to go back and
Speaker 3: see how that relationship and ships started, and it reminds
Speaker 3: you that it wasn't how things ended, you know, it
Speaker 3: wasn't just like that. There was a different part of it.
Speaker 3: The relationship started in a completely different place, maybe in
Speaker 3: a more innocent place, but the respect that they have
Speaker 3: for each other, knowing what each of them did for
Speaker 3: each other, really came across and.
Speaker 1: There's no way they could have done what they did
Speaker 1: without that being the case. Correct, You know, it.
Speaker 4: Was I like you saw it, you know, the whole
Speaker 4: quarterback school like you just I do think that was,
Speaker 4: you know, a really insightful ground floor of where it started.
Speaker 4: You know, like those you know, like you like you
Speaker 4: kids on Twitter, Mike, you know how it started? You know,
Speaker 4: how's how's how's it going right?
Speaker 1: Whatever? Oh?
Speaker 4: You know me, I don't know, just enough to get
Speaker 4: in trouble just a little bit. But it's one of those.
Speaker 4: That's how it started. It started with Bill saying he
Speaker 4: pushed me to be a better coach and Tom saying
Speaker 4: it was quarterback school every day. Yeah, that's how it started.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, you know and realized too of
Speaker 5: how much these two guys really kind of needed each other.
Speaker 5: And I mean you highlighted Fred of how things were
Speaker 5: kind of tenuous for Bill at that time, and you know,
Speaker 5: had had they not come along for each other, who
Speaker 5: knows how would have gone from a kind of.
Speaker 1: Like it reminds me of good will hunting. I mean,
Speaker 1: Matt Damon comes in and he's he's smart. I mean,
Speaker 1: but it took that professor to see whoa and he
Speaker 1: pushed him and pushed him to be better. And uh,
Speaker 1: I again, perfect marriage.
Speaker 3: Okay, Mike, I'm going to ask you this. I don't
Speaker 3: know what you had for a Did you ever preconceived
Speaker 3: notion before you watch this? Now that you've seen it,
Speaker 3: how did it meet, reach, go below, or exceed your expectations?
Speaker 5: Sure? Well, I would say that it definitely met my expectations.
Speaker 5: I assumed, you know, we were going to get what
Speaker 5: we got, which was a lot of behind the scenes
Speaker 5: footage that I haven't seen. And you know, you guys
Speaker 5: were here, you shot a lot of it. But as
Speaker 5: you know, as a fan on the outside when these
Speaker 5: things were happening, I was, oh my gosh, Tom Brady,
Speaker 5: micd up or Bill Belichick, might you know all those
Speaker 5: things I consume, So the chance just get to see
Speaker 5: the behind the scenes stuff I loved, and I just think,
Speaker 5: you know, Puly, I think kind of embodies the perspective
Speaker 5: of it, you know, of things that were good and
Speaker 5: things that weren't good.
Speaker 2: And you know, we know that the reason that a
Speaker 2: ten part Dynasty documentary is getting made about this team.
Speaker 5: Is because there was a lot of good and there
Speaker 5: was a lot of you know, bad and controversial and
Speaker 5: all those things. So I think to me purely kind
Speaker 5: of embodied that of the perspective now.
Speaker 2: Of knowing what we know now and how it went.
Speaker 5: Those are my favorite parts. And really, I mean to
Speaker 5: be honest, did the one podcast, just did an o
Speaker 5: three podcasts.
Speaker 2: I know these teams so well right now, I'm.
Speaker 5: Really excited to get to the stuff that that I
Speaker 5: haven't seen before, and especially the stuff later on when
Speaker 5: I wasn't pursuing those little tidbits here and there. So
Speaker 5: I'm really excited to keep going into it. That That's
Speaker 5: what I'm most excited about right now.
Speaker 4: So these first two episodes that that we got to see,
Speaker 4: you know, part you know, I'll take a spot from
Speaker 4: from the first one. You're kind of another minor thing
Speaker 4: that you forget. And I don't remember seeing this live.
Speaker 4: Pretty early on, there was a thing in Boston called
Speaker 4: Sports Final, Yeah, with Bob Lobell it was, and it
Speaker 4: was Musty TV on Sunday nights. It was kind of
Speaker 4: after the eleven o'clock News eleven thirty five Sports Final
Speaker 4: and and you know, some of the writers would go
Speaker 4: in and Bob Lobell, I think it might have been
Speaker 4: after the San Diego Chargers game. I think it, like listen,
Speaker 4: sometimes you take a little creative license. I think that
Speaker 4: took place pretty quickly, pretty early in the Tom Brady era.
Speaker 4: And he's like sort of like, I'm not saying there's
Speaker 4: a quarterback controversy, but there might be. And everyone Steve Burke, Ryan,
Speaker 4: how tare you?
Speaker 1: It's Drew Bledsoe's job.
Speaker 4: And I'm just like really insightful about by Bob Lobell
Speaker 4: to see not only what was happening but where it
Speaker 4: was going to go. Yeah, and you know, you know
Speaker 4: Bob a little bit, Matt, I mean, he lived for
Speaker 4: that button.
Speaker 3: Guys like that look on his face and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know is this I'm not saying it's a
Speaker 3: quarterback controversy, but it kind of looks like it could
Speaker 3: be one, you know.
Speaker 4: And then at the end of the second one when
Speaker 4: you wrap up unbelievable locker room footage from that, from
Speaker 4: the snowball, from the tuck Rule game, even comments from
Speaker 4: the players it was over, like they still they still
Speaker 4: watch it now, they still think it was a fumble,
Speaker 4: like it's it's just to me, it's so funny how
Speaker 4: they watch it. But then you get in the locker room,
Speaker 4: just the jubilation, and I sort of juxtaposed that to
Speaker 4: what I remembered about some of the later teams, where
Speaker 4: winning was almost a relief yea, you know, because it
Speaker 4: was like so much what they were expected to do, Like,
Speaker 4: all right, we get to go to another super Bowl.
Speaker 4: We took care of that, you know. There that was
Speaker 4: just like a divisional round game. The division round game
Speaker 4: became the infamous Tomato can game later on. You know,
Speaker 4: this division round game was a miracle win at home
Speaker 4: and the jubilation that was on you know, Teddy Bruski
Speaker 4: with Marty Moore, you know who was you know, we
Speaker 4: talk a lot about rock perty mister Arelvan. Marty Moore
Speaker 4: was a mister irrelevant in nineteen ninety four. He's injured
Speaker 4: at the time and he's never a doubt Marty like that.
Speaker 4: Just the excitement on the players faces and there was
Speaker 4: some great footage in that too.
Speaker 1: There was somebody mentioned the word innocence. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of innocence. Yeah. Then, and you know what struck
Speaker 1: me a lot was the craft small sea behind all
Speaker 1: of this. Uh, Jeff Benedict and Matt Hamichick, you know,
Speaker 1: the director, we know how hard they work. We had
Speaker 1: you know, the Patriots had nothing to do with this
Speaker 1: in terms of producing it, directing it, editorial say anything
Speaker 1: like that. We cooperated in giving them the footage that
Speaker 1: they asked for, So we know how hard they worked.
Speaker 1: And it's what been three years since they've been working
Speaker 1: on this, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to find a nugget like Sports Final, Yeah,
Speaker 3: think about the researchers and the people who are doing
Speaker 3: that kind of work.
Speaker 1: That was great. A lot of hard work and craft
Speaker 1: behind it. And you know, you've seen it so you
Speaker 1: know that, the style of it, the interview, it's just
Speaker 1: it's top class. And then you see Ron Howard and
Speaker 1: Brian Grazers involved as well. So this is this is.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see the rest.
Speaker 4: So we're talented enough to put footage of me in there,
Speaker 4: so yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the rest of it. Yeah.
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