WEBVTT - Patriots Dynasty Doc Recap, Episodes 1 & 2 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.280 Some of the content in this podcast may not be 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:03.760 suitable for all audiences. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:05.800 Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:13.400 Welcome to the inaugural episode of Patriots Dynasty doc Recap 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:18.759 Matt Smith alongside Fred Kirsh, Paul Prillo, Mike Doss, where 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.160 our job here is to do a wrap up show 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.919 of the Dynasty documentary. The ten part documentary event The 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:30.720 Dynasty New England Patriots is streaming now exclusively on Apple 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:34.920 TV Plus. The first two episodes dropped on Friday, Episodes 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.879 one and two, and so we're here to recap that. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:40.960 The schedule of this podcast will be as such, we 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.599 will drop a new Dynasty wrap up show every Friday 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.760 for the next five weeks. So let's get to it. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.000 Episodes one and two. I'm going to start with you, Fred, 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.240 what were you most impressed with in episode one? 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:58.600 Well, I mean, first of all, the opening of the episode. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.680 It's sort of like if you're at an musico and 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:04.160 there's an orchestra pit. The first thing they play is 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.560 the overture, and if you listen closely and remember what 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.480 you heard, you're gonna hear little pieces of everything that 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.640 you hear after that in that overture and I think 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.520 that's what they were giving us with that opening, is 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:21.280 you saw all the little pieces of the stories of 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.520 the dynasty in that opening. And I think they did 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.640 a great job. Like I had to watch it a 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.920 couple times, like, oh, you know, they're gonna talk about that, 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:30.880 They're gonna talk about that. And I think that that 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:35.320 opening in caps, you know, is gonna you know, foreshadow 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.400 everything that we're gonna see going forward. It was a 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:39.640 great hook. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.240 Yeah right, yeah, I totally agree. I thought it really 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.959 got you in it. And you know, for for us 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:46.959 that you know, we've we've all been around through a 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.240 lot of these you know, for the whole entirety of 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.520 the dynasty, and it brought you right back, you know, 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:56.160 and you said, Okay, let's get my popcorn, let's sit down, 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.200 let's get ready. I want to relive this. And I 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.160 thought it did a great job. Pictures did a great 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.880 job too. I mean, there was some great sound bites 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.600 that they had mixed in the imidola. One I thought 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.120 was great foreshadowing for something that's coming down when you know, 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.080 the one that's got a lot of play leaning into 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.320 the documentary, you know about playing for Bill, but I 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.960 mean working for Bill and playing for Tom. Yeah, I 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:18.760 just thought it did a great job of setting the scene. 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:19.320 It really did. 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.400 I mean, that's that's the crazy thing, is you realize. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.080 I mean when in hindsight you forget how long this 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:28.040 run was and how many huge storylines there were for 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:29.560 twenty years, you know, in and out, And I thought 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.080 that that part has set a great tone for me. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:33.520 I just I loved a lot of the new. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.359 Stuff, the behind the scenes stuff, the you guys will 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:37.600 make fun of me, But this stuck out to me. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.120 This practice footage of Brady wearing a helmet I've never 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.360 seen him wear before. And I'm a nerd about that, sure, 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:43.120 That's how I am. 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:43.400 People. 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.200 You know, he had to have a string in his practice, 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.079 but he had the Peyton Milling helmet on it, and 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:49.760 I'm like, what is going on? I've never seen this 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.400 before in my life. But those are you know, the 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.480 things that that are just so cool. And you know, 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:55.520 just some of the footage where it's just simple b 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.840 roll and it's these guys hanging out and it's you know, 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.000 future Hall of Famers in the midst of this run 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:01.480 starting to put things together. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.600 I just you know that that wow, we're sitting here 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:07.400 with our senior executive producer, Matt Smith. Kudos to him 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.040 because one of the things I think this documentary is 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.000 is a testament to film everything, even if you're not 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:15.840 going to use it right away or you may never 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.520 use it. Film everything. Because there's stuff in this documentary 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.160 that I've never seen before. And thank god we filmed 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:23.280 it so right. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:24.959 And for Fred and I to say it's stuff that 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.320 we've never seen before. We were working here through the 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.919 entirety of this and there was stuff that we've never 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:30.480 seen before. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:30.760 Yeah. 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.160 Now Matt probably you know, saw a little bit more, 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:35.520 you know, he was part of you know, the cruise 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.600 and whatnot. But to see pictures of practice at like 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.200 you know, the old stadium at rent them Staates was 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.920 like cool, Like I've you know, we used to get 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.680 like five minute windows, Mike, just like we do now. 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:50.880 Half the time we didn't go because it was such 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.200 a pain to get there, you know, like just let 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.480 me know who died, As Eddie Duckworth used to say, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.400 you know, I don't need to know what's going on. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.440 Yeah, no, I don't. But behind the scene in the 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.720 team meetings, just unbelievable stuff. 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.040 No one of the things that I was a big 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.280 fan of. And maybe that's to Fred's point. Maybe I'm 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:11.760 prejudiced because I've seen a lot of the footage. I 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.800 just thought the interviews, by and large, most of them 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:19.440 were tremendously insightful, and I have some favorites, quite honestly, Paul, 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.000 you and I did a podcast with Scott Pioli within 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.840 the last four or five months. Yeah, Scott comes off 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.280 really really well, and I think keeps the thread. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.080 It's a good storytelling. He's a really good story He 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.640 was seasoned back then because he comes from a pr 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.560 background right before he came to the Patriots. I mean, 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.840 he he knows how to speak. He's very articulate, not 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.960 a lot of ums and your nose and all that. 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.719 And like you said, Paul, he tells a good story, right. 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:49.440 And it's one thing to have great information and great anecdotes, 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.919 but to deliver them in a way like the narcotic 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:53.680 line to me is just fantastic. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.680 That's and the perspective that I think he brings to 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.360 that he's away from it now, so maybe he can 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.760 see things little bit differently than when he was right 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.240 in the trenches. And I think he realizes, and he 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:05.680 said this to us at one point in time, but 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.320 I think he realizes. She said, wonder if we handled 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.400 that the right way? Did we do what we really 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.800 needed to do? But they were just so consumed by winning, 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.560 and the winning became a narcotic As Paul said, that 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:17.520 was really powerful. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.120 And by the way, we're assuming everybody who's watching this 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.600 has watched the first two episodes, so if you haven't 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:26.280 turn it off, go to Apple TV Plus and watch them, 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.760 because we're going to give you spoilers. Yeah, no question 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:29.040 about it. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.719 We are going to ruin everything right because we don't 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.200 know how this has ended, right. And the other two 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.640 interviews that I just wanted to that really were tremendous 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:43.599 to me. And they were writing character where Tyla and 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:48.799 Lauria Maloy very good friends, tremendous players during this team, 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:53.760 but their color and their you know, just the way 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.200 they spoke, the looseness that they spoke, and the way 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:00.000 that they described things. I thought Patriot fans will really 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.400 enjoy hearing them, how they talked and how they described 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:04.080 what was going on. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.000 Yeah, they were the gatekeepers of the old Patriots. I mean, 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.719 those were the guys from the nineties that were the 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.960 holdovers that you know, were the leaders of that team. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.200 And I think, you know, just their perspective on Brady 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.159 coming in. I mean, my favorite part of you know, 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.080 Brady coming in and I'm not giving this thing back, 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.080 like you know, you're a rookie, you can to give 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.920 it back, right, That was I mean, those great lines, 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.120 and I mean those guys just they have so much personality. 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.040 But you know, just quickly to go back to Puli, 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:27.479 I just I love what you said, Matt about his 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.240 perspective and it you know, I don't want to it 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.080 doesn't seem like he you know, is completely like reformed 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.159 or anything, but it just it seems like somebody who 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.440 is in the weeds as close as you could get 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.839 to it and has now gotten out, has now gotten 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.320 some perspective of how it all went and maybe isn't 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.800 entirely proud of how every little bit of it went. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:45.960 And I think that kind of comes through, whereas some 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.160 of the other voices you get they're still kind of 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:49.800 stuck in that or they they you know, they never 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:50.560 got over it, you know. 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:51.400 I think he's just such a. 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.320 Unique point of view in this whole documentary and one. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.720 Of his closest confidences, and the person who brought him 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.680 into the organization is Bill Belichick, and it's in Bill 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.160 Bellich is the same thing. He's true to character. He's 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.320 very buttoned up. His demeanor is very obvious when he's 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.160 in there, and he's the Bill Belichick that I think 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:13.200 everybody would expect. Whereas Scott he's he's opening himself up. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.800 He's letting the viewer and the fancy a different side 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:17.320 of him that I don't think fan saw when he 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.120 was here working with the organization. Yeah. 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:20.920 Yeah, And it was eye opening when when Matt and 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.200 I had him on that Pats from the Past podcast 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.760 and a lot of the stuff he echoes, you know, 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:27.800 in this thing. And I do think that Mike has 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.040 a good perspective on that. It's like he's the one 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.120 guy that's like, you know, we didn't have to do 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.720 it that way. He expressed that regret with Matt and 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:38.760 I when we did it. He he comes across, you know, 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.880 really likable, but you know, just sort of with great perspective, 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:44.640 you know. And some of the stuff, the interaction with 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.800 he and Ernie Adams, to me, some of that stuff 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:47.600 is really good too. 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.640 It's such great stuff. You know, you brought up Bill, 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.160 and I think Bill in these first two episodes comes 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:57.360 off smelling like a rose in my opinion, because you know, 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.480 they a lot of it is focused on the Brady 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.080 bled Cell's decision and how gutsy it was to make 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.400 that call because bled Cell was so close to the owner. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.720 You know, at one part they talked about the owner 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.760 actually talking to Bill about, hey, you know, why aren't 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.080 you you know, so there was a lot of pressure 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.760 on Bill to make this thing. What I think hurt 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.840 Bill is himself. Like we're talking about all these great interviews, 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.840 you know, Ty law and Lawyer Maloya. Lawyer Maloy has 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.880 a lot of you know, acts to grind with this 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.760 team with question, you know, Scott Pioli and Jack. Everybody 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.040 came off great except Bill. He was so standoffish, in 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:39.280 defiant in his body language. And you know, yes, it's 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.240 the same Bill, but you had a chance to kind 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.360 of open up a little bit more and show us 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:48.160 a little bit and you didn't take that chance. Although 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:52.280 I think the actions speak louder than words. Like I said, 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.160 he came off really looking good in these first jar 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.320 as he should, As he should it was. 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.840 It was press conference Bill. That was what I this was. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.400 This was who we see in press conferences that's guarded. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.160 You know, even from the initial kind of right crack, 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:07.679 you know, it felt like he was getting ready to 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.720 go to war a little bit. It makes me wonder 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.600 what it's going to be like when we get into 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.719 some of the more controversial stuff down the road is 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.000 built because I think everybody wants to watch this and 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.840 see the Bill from the Scarneckia induction, the storyteller, the 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:21.319 one who's going to tell you a little and we 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:22.719 didn't really get any of that, at. 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.200 Least in the first two episodes. Yeah, you want to 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:25.720 let me know. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.240 Let you guys know one thing totally unrelated really to 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.920 the dynasty itself. But David NuGen is a guy who 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.680 not a lot of people listening right now probably even 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.680 know who he is. Right He was a fellow member 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.200 of the two thousand draft class, and he and Brady 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.080 were roommates, and you know, they both played in the 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.840 Big Ten. Nugent was a defensive lineman out of Purdue. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.960 He has some great home footage that he should again. 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.760 Back to people's stuff, because they watch well, stuff. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.199 That you've never seen. That's you know that until the point, 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:00.640 but it's it's stuff that you've never seen before, and 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.960 it just gives you sort of a glimpse of just 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:08.640 how psychotic Brady is when it came to everything competition wise, 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.640 it was tech mobile, it was pool, you know, it 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.520 was drinking beer, you know, like and he even you know, 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.800 he even lets it slip, like, yeah, maybe you gotta 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:20.480 mix a couple of waters in here or there. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:21.000 You know. 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:22.960 Damian, who he didn't know that he was one of 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.440 the guys, is one of the boys. I just thought 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.280 Nugent's place in this as a sort of anonymous member 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:34.440 of the Patriots dynasty like that no one remembers, not 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.439 even you, and I really had much recollection of David NuGen. 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:38.559 I thought it was tremendous. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.160 But I find myself catching you know, like this is 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.439 a long time ago, and you forget. Yeah, even though 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.480 it was twenty four years ago, they still had camp 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.040 quarters back then, and like young people were filming everything. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.440 They just weren't putting it on their phones and social media, 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.040 but they were capturing it. And Nugent did that. 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.680 And we're gonna need this for the dynasty, right right, 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.360 twenty five years, so now we're gonna need this. 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.280 That stuff was so great, And just to see Brady 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.480 before he was Tom Brady, just to see him as 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:07.320 kind of this puffy faced Michigan grad who you know, 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:09.880 you see the seeds of what he became and all 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.440 the you know, the competitiveness that you guys mentioned, you know, 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.079 some of the just I love the stuff that they 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.400 talked about what made him kind of special, the studying 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.520 he did, and you know, Bill kind of you know, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:21.080 finding that out about him. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:21.720 I think that's something. 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.240 On the outside, as as kind of a casual fan 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:25.760 in those early days, was like, well, how can they 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.520 not go back to bled cell? You know that on 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.719 the outside, that's how it seemed, But now you kind 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:30.679 of see, really there was a lot. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.240 I mean, Paul and I were here on the inside, 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.480 it was an easy decision for Paul and I even me, 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:39.120 You stick with Brady. 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:40.560 Yeah, and I love Drew. 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:41.400 I still love Drew. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.120 But Fred's right, like, once Tom started winning games, it 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.000 didn't seem like it was that much of a decision 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.480 to be made. But inside they give you a peek 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.800 and they show you that it was. And I thought, 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:58.040 again the peoli Ernie Adams interaction you know on Drew 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.840 was interesting, but you prefaced at Freddy when Robert Kraft 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.439 comes on and says that he had a meeting with Bill, 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.440 and I think that he used the phrase that he 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.480 felt like Bill let us down. I felt Bill let 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:15.680 us down by sort of refusing to going back to 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.719 to Drew. And then you know, Pioli again offering some 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.320 really good insight. You know, he goes back to the 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.920 Cleveland situation, says, we've seen this movie before, we know 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.199 how this ends. So there was an awful lot riding 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.040 on it. So for us, fred it might have looked 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.160 and maybe we make it look a little easier with 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.960 twenty five years of dominance in hindsight, but at the 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.959 time it wasn't probably as much of a no brainer. 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.240 As it It wasn't a no brainer, and like I said, 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.520 there was a lot of pressure on Bill right on 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:43.280 this decision. 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.960 You're watching and listening to the Patriots Dynasty doc recap, 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:52.920 and just a final thought on what Robert Kraft said. 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:54.640 He said those things that you said, you know, he 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.880 blamed you know, Bill was on the spot there, but 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.280 he also I thought what he said to Drew was 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.880 very poignant, incredibly insightful when he said, look, I'm the owner. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:04.559 I can go up even say I'm the owner. He goes, 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.000 I can go and tell Billy I can make him 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:07.920 do it. I can make him do it, but he's 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:09.920 not going to want to do it. And that's not 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.240 good for you or me, right or me? And that 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.959 was I mean again, we're talking two thousand and one, 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:20.240 this is a year plus into their relationship. That's tremendously 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:24.400 insightful about how to handle a festering problem that's going 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:25.360 on in your organization. 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:29.040 Yeah, and by at that point, Bill had proven nothing correct, 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.840 like he didn't have the chops he had, you know, 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.480 five years later, he had no bona fides by that point. 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.080 But Robert Kraft let him do his job. And you 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.439 go back to the girod Mayo. I like to hire 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.720 good people and let them do their job. That was 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.400 that was it in action right back then. They hold 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.760 them accountable, right, and hold them accountable. Yeah. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:51.079 I don't know if it's sorry but Paul, if I 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:52.760 jump on this, but I thought Drew looked great too, 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:54.800 And I mean it's just why I Drew, even through 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.400 this whole thing, class is still a Boston legend and 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.640 is still just beloved by Patriot fans. Still, you know 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.120 the way he handled this whole thing, and as we 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.160 go through it, it's just you realize how hard that is. 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.280 I mean, you know, talking to I mean listening to 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.880 his wife talk about how unfair they felt it was, 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:12.000 and it's it's just bizarre because it wasn't fair, but 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.120 it was the right thing for the team to happen. 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.199 And that's what's hard to heart about it. You don't 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:17.880 want Drew to get hurt. You want Drew to be 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.080 one of our guys, and I still. 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:20.320 Think he is. 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.200 I just don't know. Sorry, Paul, I know he's used 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.120 your guy, but but I thought it was great. 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.240 So as we pivot from episode one to episode two 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.800 and Fred you talked, I thought one of the things 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.400 that really struck you that you were talking about is 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:38.680 how relieved Bill Belichick was in the immediate aftermath of 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:42.400 the Saints game. If everybody recalled the Rams game, you 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.560 know where they played the Rams pretty tough. That's the 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.400 greatest show on turf. I think there was a little 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.480 bit of a misrepresentation in my opinion in the documentary. 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.520 Is all doom and Gloom. I think the players felt 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.000 like they gave a pretty good punch and wanted to 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.320 see them again, but they split their reps and Bill 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.920 didn't think that Tom was fully prepared for that game. 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.480 In the Saints game, he got all the reps. Fred, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:03.600 how do you think he looked after that? 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.640 Oh my god, it was like the weight of the 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.840 world was off his shoulders. And it showed me how 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:12.160 much pressure was on him. We know Bill doesn't like 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.120 to single guys out, especially right after games, but in 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:18.280 this press conference after the Saints game, you could see 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.520 and hear the relief, and he went on and on 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:25.200 about how Brady played, and you know, and it was, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.840 you know, thank God, because my career is on the 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.040 line here. I've put my career on the shoulders of 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:37.320 this young kid from Michigan and it's starting to pay off. Yeah. 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.800 I mean, just to Matt's point about, you know, I 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:41.920 did the two thousand and one podcast where I interviewed 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.200 a lot of those guys about that game, and you know, 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.080 echoing everything Matt said that. You know, they they felt 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:48.640 like that was a turning point for them. But it's 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.360 another example of kind of we're not telling this story 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.560 from our perspective or from the perspective of that particular 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.400 team that had a turning point. This is about the dynasty, 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.800 and you know, they're more trying to plant the seeds 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:02.800 of what when Tom Brady finally turned that kind of corner. 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.960 Yeah, and we're mixing up a couple of things here 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.360 because we when we watched it, we were like, they 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:12.960 didn't portray the Rams game correctly, because that's what you're talking. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.280 It's a big criticism I would have, you know, like's 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.480 talk point. Yeah, we talked about, you know, the way 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.320 it opened and everything, all the things that we loved 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.080 about the way they sort of presented the documentary. There's 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:24.880 things I didn't like either, and this is one of 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.440 them because I think Mike is absolutely right and I've 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.920 talked to a lot of those players and they talked 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.200 about that game as being of like a validation the 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.000 Rams game. They lost it. They lost twenty four to 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.120 seventeen in a game that Tom threw a couple of picks, 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.680 and they really accentuated that. They didn't say anything about 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.200 the Antoine Smith fumble inside the one yard line that 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.760 you know, probably cost them the game, and just the 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.760 fact that they went toe to toe with this team, 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.720 and I think they really kind of felt that's the 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.680 first game that they took a really good team's best 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:00.920 punch and they stood toe to toe with them. That 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.400 gave them validation. Now, the fact that it was followed 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.800 up by the Saints game was such a relief for Belichick. 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.160 As you said, Fred, and I think in that Rams game, 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.760 three Rams got carried off the field, right, you know, right? Yeah. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.320 The other thing, this is just a little thing. 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.680 Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I thought 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.000 in Bill's description of Hey, we're going with Tom. Now 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.440 that's it, no more splitting reps. Tom's our guy. I'm 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.280 doing the best thing that I can for the team, team, 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.680 very famous SoundBite, because that's what mister Kraft would want. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:32.800 Me to do, right, That's what he's paying hey to do. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.800 A year plus into the relationship, it wasn't Robert, it 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:40.560 was mister picked that it was mister Kraft, and that 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.840 just I think that shows you a little bit how 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.920 tenuous maybe that situation. His career is on the line. 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:48.960 That so now going back to the you know, the 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.119 end of the Rams game, this is why it was 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.600 so like, you know, the relief that Fred talks about 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.359 with with Belichick after the Saints game, which was the 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.159