1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 2: You have to figure out a way to really know 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 2: what you have to say, how you want to say it, 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 2: and ultimately, like I said, just be unapologetic about it. Inconsistent, 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: I would argue, consistency is the most important as well. 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: No matter who you are, what you are, just just 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 2: be there and show up every single time. 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast, hosted by Buzz Night. 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: We explore musicians who are Hall of Famers, and we 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: love discovering new artists as well. Today Buzz speaks with 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: a new artist who combines Americana country and rock roots 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: to her own original style. Honaly was lauded as an 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: artist to watch by Music Connection and is releasing new 14 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: music co written by John Oates of Hall and Oates Fame. 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Let's join Buzz next with Honorly on Taking a Walk. 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: Well, Honorly, thanks for being on the Taking a Walk Podcast. 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 2: Appreciate it absolutely, Thank you so much for having me. 18 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: I'm excited it's. 19 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: A virtual edition. 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 4: But nonetheless, were together, So when were you first inspired 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 4: by music? 22 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I gotta be honest, this has been 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 2: just kind of a lifetime, you know, accumulation of things 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: that are kind of pinpointed to what I'm doing now. 25 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: But early on, I mean I was always singing and 26 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 2: dancing and kind of performing for the family, if you will. 27 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: And then it wasn't really till middle school did I 28 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 2: kind of enroll in band and do the chorus thing 29 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: and kind of go that route. And then high school 30 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: I was I was given a really cool opportunity to 31 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: be a drum major the conductor in our marching band, 32 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: and music kind of started shifting me in ways that 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: I didn't know. I was really starting to love that. 34 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: I was in soccer as well, but the music really 35 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: took over and then just kind of moving forward, you know, college, 36 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: I had a couple of musical experiences, and it wasn't 37 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: until well I really set into you know, thinking about 38 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: what I really wanted to do with the rest of 39 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: my life. Did I say all of these crazy random 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: points in the past kind of created this beautiful constellation 41 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: that I'm like, I got to follow music now. It's 42 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: where my heart and soul is. So started very early, 43 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: but it really randomly kind of found me and now 44 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: here we are. I have no complaint. 45 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 4: So, and your music is fueled by a lot of 46 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 4: different influences, I sense there's an Americana piece, there's sort 47 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 4: of rootsy rock, there's country. Talk about the influences that 48 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 4: really shaped you musically. 49 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I grew up in a tiny cornfield 50 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: surround her town in the old Illinois and so out there. 51 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 2: I mean, you just listen to so many different forms 52 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: of media, and I didn't really know what I was 53 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: listening to or why. I just knew that I liked it, 54 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 2: and so I try even when i'm creating now, I'm 55 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: not very good at you know, conforming to a box 56 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: or you know, putting myself kind of in. This is 57 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: the type of music that I play. It just feels good. 58 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: So really just a lot of a lot of what 59 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: I do and how I'm doing it now, it's just 60 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 2: it speaks a lot to me, and it's what I 61 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 2: pro we listened to a little bit growing now. My 62 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: influences very much were like Fleetwood, mac Adele oh Man, 63 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 2: a lot of pop honestly growing up because that's kind 64 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: of what we knew. And then of course Cherry Underwood, 65 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: huge Carrie Underwood fan, those big notes, things like that. 66 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: So it's really just, you know, just a bunch of 67 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: things that have kind of come together and we're seeing 68 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 2: what it looks like now. 69 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, I sent some Eagles also were an influence, definitely. 70 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: Yes, how'd you know the harmony is all that stuff 71 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: super super much? 72 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? 73 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: And first concert experience? What was that for you? 74 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: So? 75 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: Actually, I think I want to say I want to 76 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: say my first concert was twenty fifteen. I went and 77 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: saw Sam Smith in Chicago. This is when he was 78 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: just really into the balance and the you know, all 79 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: the really beautiful, beautiful stuff. I was a big fan 80 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: of that, and me and one of my best friends 81 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 2: were it was. It was also my parents drove us, 82 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: so that was a really cool concert experience. And since then, 83 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: I mean, living in Nashville, there's concerts literally every night 84 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: of the week. So I tried very much to really 85 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: bop around and learn from the best. But yeah, it 86 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: definitely started kind of kind of then. 87 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 4: So and some pretty neat venues in Nashville, for sure. 88 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 4: What are some of the places that you're playing at 89 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 4: these days? 90 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: So where I'm playing? Okay, the coolest one that I 91 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: played recently, I'll be honest, was the Country Music Hall 92 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 2: of Fame, the CMA Theater. Y'all, Okay, The acoustics in 93 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: that room are already insane. I mean, if you've ever 94 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: been in there, I hadn't before I played. So you 95 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: walk in, you're on this like you know, round stage whatever, 96 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: and it's I mean, it just goes up and up 97 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 2: and up. There's so many stories, so many balconies, and yeah, 98 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: it was. It was very full, very cool. I opened 99 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: for the one and only Jar Notes from Hall of Notes. 100 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: He's got kind of a solo thing going on right 101 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 2: now and he had me open for him. So it 102 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: was a really really great experience, and again just being 103 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: in such an iconic venue. I actually sang Clin Song 104 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: along with my original stuff because I was like, if 105 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 2: I'm at the CNA Theater, like we got to do 106 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: some Patsy Client. So it was a really cool night overall, 107 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: and definitely one of my favorite that I that I've 108 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: played in Nashville. 109 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: Have you played the Bluebird? 110 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: I have? 111 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: I have played the Bluebird? You're right. That was a 112 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: couple that was actually right before the pandemic happened, which 113 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 2: I was super lucky. We were one of the last 114 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: rounds before they took like the in the round out 115 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 2: and then I think recently they just added it back in, 116 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: but that was also phenomenal just having like audience members 117 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 2: looking over your shoulders and like looking at all your 118 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: set notes and you're singing. I mean, it's you're really 119 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: in the middle there, you know. So it was it 120 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: was a really cool experience as well. 121 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 4: Yes, well I'm gonna not let you get away with 122 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 4: talking about John Oates and how you and he met 123 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: and then ultimately how you collaborated. 124 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: So how did that happen? 125 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so like during the pandemic, obviously everything was super virtual, 126 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: and he was like, I want you to I want 127 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: to interview to this writer Nathan Chapman, which, for those 128 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: of you listening and watching, Nathan Chapman is like one 129 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: of the huge reasons why Taylor Swift is who she is. 130 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: He wrote on the first two albums, like really really 131 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: created all of that stuff. So he connected us and 132 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: we actually virtually wrote Walls, which is a song that's 133 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 2: coming out actually before the end of the year. I 134 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: believe November twenty ninth is the date we just set. 135 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: But we wrote this song was started on Zoom and 136 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 2: Zoom Crash because everyone was writing on Zoom, and then 137 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: we moved over to Google Meet and we finished the song. 138 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: So that was really my first like writing experience with John. 139 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: And then after lo again during the pandemic, we're all 140 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: just kind of write and doing our thing. And I 141 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 2: was sitting out on my patio one day and I 142 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: had this idea for you know, I was like, sunshine 143 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: and lemonade. That's that reminds you of better days, you know. 144 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: YadA YadA texted him and he came up with this 145 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: really cool melody. So he was asked to put together 146 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 2: I guess a musical thing for this movie called Gringa 147 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: that just came out this last year, and the song 148 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: was actually selected for like my first movie, Sink and 149 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: things like that. So John was huge in that piece 150 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: as well. So we wrote a song, got that in there. 151 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: It's called Sunshine Lemonade. So pretty much John has been 152 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: a very very cool mentor moving along the way, you know, 153 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: and just kind of showing me the ropes but letting 154 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: me do it myself at the same time. He's just 155 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: he's iconic. I mean, he truly is a legend. So 156 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: it's been it's been an honor, but that is genuinely 157 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: the connection and how we've been doing it. And then Yeah, 158 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: recently had me open for him, and hopefully we'll do 159 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: a few more shows coming up too. So I'm so excited. 160 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, that is sensational. 161 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 4: Big fan of certainly his work and Hall and Oates 162 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 4: work overall. 163 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 3: And that's so exciting. 164 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: So Walls comes at this important topic of you know, 165 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 4: sort of music and you know, mental health really and 166 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 4: you're going to be on the other podcast that we produce, 167 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: which is called Music Saved Me. 168 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: So tell folks why the song Walls you think is 169 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: an important song in these days? 170 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely So for those of you listening, as will 171 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: kind of some background on it. I went to the 172 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: University of Missouri and I got my degree in social work. 173 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: I was actually a middle school guidance counselor, and I 174 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: was working very closely with a lot of students, telling 175 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: them to pursue what scares them the most. I wasn't doing 176 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: that for myself, and so I dropped everything moved to 177 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: Nashville the hopes of limb by example right, And I 178 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: realized in that situation that if your cup is not full, 179 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: you cannot pour in anybody else's. And so songwriting for 180 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: me is a way that I can keep my cup 181 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: full and also pour into others. So with that in mind, 182 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: Walls Walls is written about just I was in my 183 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 2: childhood bedroom for the very first time since the pandemic began, 184 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: and I'm looking around and we'll disclosure. High school was 185 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: extremely hard for me and a huge reason why I 186 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: came a guidance counselor, because I was like, I want 187 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: to make sure students number feel as a world as 188 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: I felt. Struggling with depression, struggling with anxiety, things like 189 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: that very much what I struggle with on a daily basis. 190 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: Still it's you know, it's a fight, but Walls is 191 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: genuinely about looking at those walls that watched you grow 192 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 2: up your childhood bedroom, and it was saying, if you 193 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: could get me through this really tough time in my life, 194 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: Like you can get me through this pandemic. You can 195 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: get me through when the world literally, you know, everything 196 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: shuts down, everything goes through. So it's really just a 197 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: conversation with the most personal piece of your life, you know, 198 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: these walls, like who are you when no one's watching? 199 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: Who are you when no one's present? You're just complete self? Right, 200 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: And so it's a very vulnerable song and to answer 201 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: your question the importance of something like that, I think, 202 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: I think we only know who we truly are when 203 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: when doors are closed, right and like when there's no 204 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: other chaos and no other anything. And so I think 205 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: that stripped down honesty with yourself is very very important, 206 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 2: and that's actually the answer to better is when you're 207 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: just very honest with who you are and who you 208 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: want to become truly. So I hope that this song 209 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: genuinely provides like solace and comfort for a lot of people, 210 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: and it's sure as he does for me. So that's 211 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: kind of kind of the overview I guess answer to 212 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: your question is mental health is extremely important to talk about. 213 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: I think taking the stigma away that it's something to 214 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: be ashamed of. I would argue a lot more people, 215 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 2: you know, that we all look up to on a 216 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: daily basis, feel it and are struggling with it. It's 217 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: just it's hard to talk about, you know. So that's 218 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: really the long answer to all of that, but it 219 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: is extremely important to sing about and to really share. 220 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 3: Definitely. 221 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 4: We've had Jelly Roll on this podcast and also on 222 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: Music Save Me, and he talks about certainly the empathetic 223 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 4: nature of his music, which you also share that quality 224 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 4: with your music, the empathetic nature of music. Do you 225 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 4: believe there is a movement towards musicians, and particularly musicians 226 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 4: in Nashville, for really writing and creating music with some empathy. 227 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I would argue too. I mean, I used 228 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: to think sympathy, empathy, they were all kind of the 229 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 2: same thing. But from my understanding, you know, empathy is 230 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: feeling with somebody. Sympathy is feeling for them, and I 231 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: think there's one of those things. When writing from a 232 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: very empathetic standpoint, you're really getting in the gritty with people. 233 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: You know, You're like, I feel this with you. And 234 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: I think when you write from that type of standpoint, 235 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: and Jelly World does a very very great job about 236 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: this as well, is he's feeling with the people going 237 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 2: through it. He obviously has been through some things, you know, 238 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: and he's very open about it, his struggle with it 239 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 2: and how it's a continuing struggle. You know, it never 240 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: really ends. You just learn the tools how to be better. 241 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: And I think if more, you know, people really do 242 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: write about it. I mean, I think music is therapy 243 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 2: in a sense, which is ultimately why I still argue 244 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 2: that I use my social work degree on a daily basis, 245 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: you know, But I do think that there's this movement 246 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: coming through and artists really showing that platform that it's 247 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: okay to feel. And even when you've got quote everything, 248 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: you know, Jelly Roll, all these people, you still struggle, 249 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: like the human emotion is real, paying the mands to 250 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: be felt, and I think shedding light on that is 251 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: extremely important for everyone listening. And again, it's just the 252 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: human experience, you know, so definitely. 253 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: And another one of your songs, Tightrope, is really about 254 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 3: life balance and the importance of that. Talk about that. 255 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that song actually comes out tomorrow. And my 256 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: co writer Kenney Foster phenomenal, phenomenal guy. I was going 257 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: through it a couple of years ago, as it just 258 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: never ends, truly. But I walked in through this skill, right, 259 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: and I was telling him kind of where I was 260 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: at in life, and you know, I was trying to 261 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: come up with these concepts and these ideas that were 262 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 2: a little happier than I felt. He kind of stopped 263 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: me and he was like, Hey, is this a song 264 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: you want to write or a song you need to write? 265 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: You know? 266 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 2: When I really came up with this, and it changed 267 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: the way I look at songwriting. I said, oh my gosh, 268 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: I got to stop trying to fit the mold of 269 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: what people want to hear and really just saying like 270 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: this is this is where I'm at. I needed to 271 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: write that song. So Tightrope is very much about balancing 272 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: the complexities of life, right, life, death, comfort, regret, you know, 273 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 2: all these things. And when you're chasing a dream, or 274 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 2: you're chasing something bigger than yourself, or sometimes just surviving, 275 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: and that's an accomplishment in itself, you know it, it's 276 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: hard to keep that balance. It's hard to stay on 277 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: that tightrope, especially when there's so much unknown. So Tightrope 278 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: is really just this metaphorical song about life and and 279 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: keeping balance and feeling it all and ultimately pursuing something 280 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 2: bigger than yourself. So it's it's uh. It was one 281 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: of those first songs that I really wrote for me, 282 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 2: and I've sang it out quite a few times and 283 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: I had great response on it, and I realized, man, 284 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: I gotta put this song now. So it's been a journey, 285 00:13:58,679 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: but here we are. 286 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 3: Well. 287 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 4: Lastly, you mentioned Nathan Chapman and your work with Nathan 288 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 4: and obviously then his connection with Taylor Swift. So I 289 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 4: can't help but ask you, as a woman in Nashville 290 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 4: and in the music scene, what path. 291 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: Has Taylor Swift helped folks like you? Forge? 292 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: Hey, oh, this is a great question. I think Taylor 293 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: is just unapologetically herself and that's something that I've genuinely 294 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: learned and struggle with on a daily basis. On it 295 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: is still just reminding that myself that I have a 296 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: voice and that what I have to say matters. And 297 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: Taylor's really articulate and great at that. I would argue 298 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: Dolly Parton she's great at that. Share They're all great 299 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: at these women in the industry. They know that you know, 300 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: what they have to say matters, and they hold a 301 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: lot of weight and what they say, and I think 302 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: there's so much beauty in that. And you know, following 303 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: something like that, you have to figure out a way 304 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: to really know what you have to say, how you 305 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: want to say it, and ultimately, like I said, just 306 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: be unapologetic about it. Inconsistent, I would argue, consistency is 307 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: the most important as well. No matter who you are, 308 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: what you are, just just be there and show up 309 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: every single time. But yeah, Taylor is amazing and one 310 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: of actually one of my best girlfriends. She's a huge 311 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift thing. I and I recently at the Country 312 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: Music Hall of Fame show, I had Paul Saidoiti, which 313 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: is Taylor's guitar player, playing with me that day too. 314 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: So it's kind of been this crazy full circle, a 315 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: lot of Taylor Swift connections, if you will, in my circle, 316 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: which has been very exciting knowing that surrounding myself with 317 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: some good people and give nothing but great things to 318 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: say about her. But she's she's also just a wonderful 319 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: business woman, and I think that's another element too that 320 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: I'm really trying to incorporate that yes, it is about 321 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: the music, but you know, you got to get people 322 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: to hear the music too and and stick up for 323 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: what you believe in. And I think it's it's been 324 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: amazing really to watch somebody paint the way. So I'm excited. 325 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 4: Tonally, congratulations and good luck on everything, and thank you 326 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 4: for being on our. 327 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 3: Taking a Walk. 328 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you so much for having me. 329 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Taking a Walk. Share this podcast 330 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: with your friends and listen for more episodes. On the 331 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:22,479 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.