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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody to the Tuesday edition

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Speaker 1: of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you joining us. A lot to get to today, the

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Speaker 1: fighting in Ukraine intensifies. There are more Russian strikes on Kiev,

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Speaker 1: the capital city. Looks like Putin is going to be

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Speaker 1: going forward here in the days ahead, trying to seize

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Speaker 1: the capital. Also reporting on whether Ukraine will be willing

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Speaker 1: to give a guarantee of not joining NATO that was

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Speaker 1: just breaking before. While the Russian attacks are intensifying on

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Speaker 1: Ukrainian cities. You've got inflation and gas prices now turning

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Speaker 1: into just a political football increasingly in this country. The Democrats,

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Speaker 1: the left doing everything that they can to make it

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Speaker 1: seem like it it's Trump's fault, or Biden's doing everything

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Speaker 1: you can to fix it, or there's nothing he can

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Speaker 1: do to fix it, or they can't figure out what

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Speaker 1: the proper talking points are, so they're trying everything to

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Speaker 1: see what they can come up with. And also on

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Speaker 1: some COVID matters, specifically after the Kyrie Irving sitting in

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Speaker 1: the Sitting in the stands moment with the New York

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Speaker 1: Nets playing New York Knicks. People are recognizing suddenly in

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Speaker 1: the Democrat media that there are some policies that linger

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Speaker 1: from COVID that are really dumb, and in fact have

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Speaker 1: always been really stupid. But that's the part of it

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Speaker 1: that we have to push on. They act like it

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Speaker 1: just became dumb recently, when that's clearly not the case.

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Speaker 1: We've also got some fantastic guests joining our friend Jesse Kelly,

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Speaker 1: radio host, former marine. He'll be with us in the

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Speaker 1: third hour of the program. We've got Gordon Chang to

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Speaker 1: Mark McDonald on how America fell victim to mass delusion psychosis,

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Speaker 1: something I've been talking about for a long time in

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Speaker 1: the era of COVID. But Clay, let's start with just

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Speaker 1: how serious the situation is right now, how high the

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Speaker 1: stakes are. Joe Biden's been president for a year. It

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Speaker 1: to tell the audience this is what they are saying, folks,

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Speaker 1: just so you know what they're saying right now is

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Speaker 1: essentially blather, contradictory or absurd. And in the background of

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Speaker 1: Guterres warning that the prospect of nuclear conflict is back

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Speaker 1: in a serious way on the world's stage. Further escalation

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Speaker 1: a bone shooting development. The prospect of lear conflict, once

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Speaker 1: The security and safety if Nukia facilities must also be preserved.

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Speaker 1: It's time to stop the order unleashed on the people

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Speaker 1: of Ukraine and get on the pests of diplomacy and peace,

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Speaker 1: the path of diplomacy and peace. Clay, what should the

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Speaker 1: US role you think at this stage? B We have

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Speaker 1: And I think the United States should be leading the

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Speaker 1: Given how quickly they've been ostracized. We don't have any

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Speaker 1: part of it. But I think there's also at a

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Speaker 1: deeper level here, Clay, the apparatus, there's the Fauci COVID apparatus,

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Speaker 1: there's the national security apparatus. They have failed catastrophically, obviously

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Speaker 1: to contain Russian aggression. For all the talk, think of

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Speaker 1: all the summits, think of all the meetings, all to

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Speaker 1: sit downs with NATO, and sitting around in Brussels, and

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Speaker 1: sitting around in parts of Europe, European capitals, figuring out

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Speaker 1: how to contain Vladimir Putin. People going on CNN, writing

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Speaker 1: op eds in the New York Times. Here's how we

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Speaker 1: contain Putin. They failed. There talks about possibly bringing Ukraine

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Speaker 1: into NATO that clearly was involved in Putin's You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not a moral question, it's a reality question. Clearly

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Speaker 1: that was involved in Putin's calculation here at some level.

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Speaker 1: That's just a statement of fact. That's why Zelenski has

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Speaker 1: already said we probably have to accept we will not

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Speaker 1: be able to join NATO today. He's saying this, and

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Speaker 1: so we can either have a big boy and big

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Speaker 1: girl discussions about the realities of what has happened here,

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Speaker 1: or we can allow the people who are supposed to

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Speaker 1: be so smart Clay, they're so called experts in national security,

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Speaker 1: sitting on the Senate Intelligence Committee, going on CNN. They

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Speaker 1: failed miserably. Here we're in the midst of a war.

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Speaker 1: It's quite obvious. Think about how expansive this definition of

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Speaker 1: treason is too. You're charging someone with treason that they

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Speaker 1: say publicly to the entire country on a nightly show

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Speaker 1: or on a radio show, or whatever it might be.

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Speaker 1: We're not talking about some sort of subterfuge, which would

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Speaker 1: be scary in and of itself when the government is

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Speaker 1: investigating a media figure and ends up charging them with treason.

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Speaker 1: But we're talking. I mean, this is such an expansionist

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Speaker 1: and terrifying idea. It should be to anyone who believes

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Speaker 1: in the marketplace of ideas, in the very essence of

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Speaker 1: debate in this country. The idea that you would charge

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Speaker 1: someone with treason for what they are publicly saying to

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Speaker 1: the American audience on a nightly basis or a daily basis,

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Speaker 1: represents a radical expansionist idea of what treason is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: think about a buck you worked in intelligence. It's one

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Speaker 1: thing if hey, we're catching somebody who is working behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes to provide classified information to the Russians, Right,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of the essence I believe of what many

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Speaker 1: people would believe as treason, spying something of that essence,

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Speaker 1: treason being something that you say on a radio show

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Speaker 1: or a television show where everybody can hear your arguments

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Speaker 1: and dissect them, and by the way, ridicule them, agree

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Speaker 1: with them, disagree with them. That's the essence of what

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Speaker 1: democracy is. So for all these democrats out there who

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Speaker 1: are arguing, oh, our democracy is under siege, trying to

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Speaker 1: arrest and charge someone with a crime who has a

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Speaker 1: different opinion than you do about a major international incident

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Speaker 1: that is going on right now is a fundamental threat

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Speaker 1: to the entirety of our ability to make rational decisions

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Speaker 1: in this country, which, by the way, we failed on

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Speaker 1: the last two years, as it pertains to COVID, partly

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Speaker 1: because they didn't want people to be able to argue

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Speaker 1: against lockdowns. That's absolutely true. And the elites right now

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Speaker 1: are creating a narrative of anyone who wants to really

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Speaker 1: push back against further US involvement in a conflict that

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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: have said, well, we definitely don't want to get into that. Yes,

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Speaker 1: is betraying America. You know, I've I've had to go

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Speaker 1: to visit friends in Walter Reed hospital. I've had I've

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Speaker 1: seen what happens when we get involved in conflicts abroad

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Speaker 1: that often in that case didn't even have a clear

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Speaker 1: strategy as to why we were there, and you sit

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Speaker 1: there and you say, I'm it's it's treason to try

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Speaker 1: to prevent the United States from getting involved in a

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Speaker 1: hot war with the third largest military in the world,

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Speaker 1: with thousands of nuclear missiles. That's that's treason. But it's

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Speaker 1: not like they're if they were attacking America, if they know,

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Speaker 1: if they were dropping bombs in Los Angeles. Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: you could argue it's treason to say, well, let's just

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Speaker 1: let the Russians have their way. I thought we all

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Speaker 1: knew this is not our war, but somehow trying to

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Speaker 1: make sure it doesn't become our war. The elites who

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Speaker 1: couldn't stop this from happening are saying, you're betraying the country.

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Speaker 1: It's very dangerous stuff. Not only you're betalling the country.

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Speaker 1: Some people are arguing he could be arrested for it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about how wild of a precedent that is.

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Speaker 1: Someone who is on a clear person who is in

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Speaker 1: the opinion business, working at a news outlet is going

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Speaker 1: to be what arrested for what they're saying on broadcast

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Speaker 1: television that everyone can see. It's madness, absolute madness. Too.

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Speaker 1: Even argue that We'll talk about more on this a

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We got

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Speaker 1: a loaded next couple of hours headed your way. By

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Speaker 1: with us in the next hour. We're gonna talk with

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Speaker 1: hour and think you guys, you're gonna love this. A

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Speaker 1: psychologist who says the United States has been in the

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Speaker 1: midst of a mass delusional psychosis over COVID. He is

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Speaker 1: going to join us at two thirty. All of that

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Speaker 1: headed your direction. But I want to make sure in

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Speaker 1: all the focus that's going on around Russia and Ukraine

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Speaker 1: and the violence that we're seeing there and even and

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Speaker 1: we certainly wish the best to the families of the

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Speaker 1: Fox News journalists. One has been has been killed, a cameraman,

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Speaker 1: another in the hospital there. We wish the best to

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Speaker 1: those guys, but recognizing that we still have major domestic

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Speaker 1: issues afoot in the United States, which are still not

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Speaker 1: getting necessarily all the attention that they deserve, and in particular,

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Speaker 1: the overall murder rate in this country buck even in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Remember the initial argument they made when

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Speaker 1: murders started to skyrocket in twenty twenty was, oh, this

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Speaker 1: is connected to COVID, this is why the death's happening,

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Speaker 1: even though if you went and looked at the data,

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Speaker 1: the murder rates skyrocketed starting with the George Floyd protests

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Speaker 1: because prior to then, the murders had actually been down

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Speaker 1: because so many people were off the streets locked up.

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Speaker 1: And the murder rates started in May of twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: when we demonize police in this country continued to skyrocket

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Speaker 1: throughout twenty twenty one, and unfortunately is still roaring in

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Speaker 1: many different communities out there, including Chicago. Listened to cut

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Speaker 1: eighteen here of what is going on with the murder

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Speaker 1: rate in Chicago and Platian goes up today. The president's

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Speaker 1: statement blames the Putin price hype. Are you guys just

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Speaker 1: gonna start blaming Putin for everything until the many terms, Well,

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Speaker 1: we've seen the price of gas go up at least

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Speaker 1: seventy five cents since President Putin lines up troops on

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Speaker 1: the border of Ukraine and last month the statement didn't

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Speaker 1: mention the Putin price tye get mentioned in Platon because

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Speaker 1: of the pandemic. Was that, well, Peter, last year, last

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Speaker 1: two years, there was a global pandem Global economists have

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Speaker 1: all agreed that that has been the biggest contributor to

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Speaker 1: dates of inflation and the price hikes as a result

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Speaker 1: that have escalated over the course of time of President

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Speaker 1: Putin's further invasion of the impact on the global oile

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Speaker 1: markets are of course having an impact. That was our

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Speaker 1: friend Peter Doocey, of course making the point in the

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Speaker 1: White House Press briefing with Jensaki that there's basically no

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Speaker 1: logical consistency to the arguments. I said the wrong number there.

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Speaker 1: Let's actually hear Chicago violence. That's cut twenty three. Although

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Speaker 1: it's always good to hear Peter Doocey holding the White

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Speaker 1: House feed to the fire, considering almost no one else

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Speaker 1: will do. So we got a war right here. We

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Speaker 1: ain't gotta go with what they having a warret we

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Speaker 1: having a war right here, and every day we get shot.

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Speaker 1: I get so fat. I be virus. It is so bad,

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Speaker 1: and these policies they work over time, they so scared.

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Speaker 1: I know they are, because be a fool of myself.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're seeing. Buck. There is a lot of

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Speaker 1: talk about Ukraine and Russia, but as that woman said,

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Speaker 1: we've got a war going on in many different American cities.

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Speaker 1: On a day to day basis, the police are often

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Speaker 1: under armed and certainly not getting the respect and support

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Speaker 1: that they need from many district attorneys. And whether you're white, Black, Asian,

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Speaker 1: or Hispanic, many people in these cities. You were just

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Speaker 1: talking about it off the air in New York City,

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Speaker 1: like you can fill a palpable sense of the rise

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Speaker 1: of crime when you're moving around in New York, Chicago, Houston,

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Speaker 1: many LA, big cities like that, crime has a momentum

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Speaker 1: to it when you refuse to prosecute those who are

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Speaker 1: a true danger to society sufficiently, when you let people out,

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Speaker 1: when you get thirty arrests, fifty arrests, one hundred arrests,

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Speaker 1: and you're still out on the street. When we're being

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Speaker 1: told that crime is a communal problem, not a choice

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Speaker 1: that individuals make. I'm talking now specifically about violent crime,

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Speaker 1: but Also, when you look at the endment of the

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Speaker 1: enforcement of so called quality of life primes top to bottom,

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Speaker 1: a city starts to be a place of disorder and

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Speaker 1: anarchy and people leave, which makes it worse, by the way,

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Speaker 1: and that is happening in New York. It's happening in

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Speaker 1: other cities across the country. This is because of bad ideas,

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Speaker 1: bad ideas that come from the progressive left and the

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Speaker 1: people who promote this crap on television, and the BLM

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Speaker 1: activists and the abolition of prison folks, and all these

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Speaker 1: things that you hear have resulted in a lot of

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Speaker 1: suffering and no upside. The only reason, Clay, we can't

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Speaker 1: turn this around faster is that Democrats don't want to

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Speaker 1: admit that they were wrong, and they certainly don't want

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Speaker 1: to admit it in an election year, no doubt. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, Buck, let's dive right into what's going

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Speaker 1: on with people finally getting fed up with COVID insanity,

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Speaker 1: even on the left wing. You're gonna hear some of

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Speaker 1: these cuts and you're gonna say, my goodness, maybe sanity

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Speaker 1: will end up winning before all is said and done.

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Speaker 1: That's next top of the second hour. Rolling here play

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of trus