1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account, 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes her car, and vanishes. 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: Joined the search as an investigative reporter, uncovers new evidence, 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: interrogates new witnesses, traces down new leads in this riveting 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: new investigative series, The Disappearance of Moura Murray Saturday's seven 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: sixth Central and nine eight Central on Oxygen, the new 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: network for crime Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. Former football star is 9 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: sitting right now in a state prison for robbery in 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, or. I didn't mean still anything from anybody, 11 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: And I didn't know I was doing anything illegal. Parisity 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: committed crime guilty count to conspiracy kidnapping, the guilty count 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: three conspiracy to commit robbery guilty nine years a week 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: from your family is just just not London. And and 15 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: I I'm sorry, Mr Simpson. I do vote to grant 16 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: for all y'all talking me. Nothing has changed in my life. 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: What do you guys mean? What do you expect? I mean, 18 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: there's nothing change. Please breaking In the last hours, Orenthal 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: James Simpson has walked free. Yes, he is out and about, 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: already stopped at a gas station complaining he's been in 21 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: the car too long. He doesn't like it. Okay, you 22 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: know what. I I don't know what to say about that. 23 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 24 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: being with us before we head out to the latest 25 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: and O. J. Simpson walking free. We had to Vegas 26 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: in the biggest shooting in US history. Fifty people dead 27 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: that we know of, two hundred injured as a gunman 28 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: with a horrific arsenal of weapons opens fire on a 29 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: jam packed Las Vegas music festival. He's up on the 30 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: thirty second floor of the Mandalaid Bay Hotel. He and 31 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: his companion in the luxury suite. Did he specifically ask 32 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: for a particular hotel room facing a particular way in 33 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: order to slaughter Americans at this country music concert? Joining 34 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: me right now, investigative reporter Cheryl White also with me, 35 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: Alexis Torres, Chuck Radar Online dot Com, and high profile 36 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: lawyer out of the l A area, Troy Slayton. Cheryl, 37 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: what happened just after ten o'clock last night, Las Vegas time, 38 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: Those shots rang out and at that time, Nancy, nobody knew. 39 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: They thought it was fireworks, even though no fireworks were 40 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: slated for the festival. But that's what they thought until 41 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: people started falling. It was terrific in Nancy. I know 42 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: you've seen some of the video that was shot. It's 43 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: horrible and it is the deadliest shooting in US history, 44 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: even worse than last year's massacre at the Pulse nightclub 45 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: in Orlando. That was horrible. I remember speaking with the 46 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: victims trapped in that nightclub that couldn't get out. This 47 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: shooting in Vegas is even worse. And the guy's name 48 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: is Steven Paddock, sixty four year old white male who 49 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: opens fire from a thirty second floor luxury suite in 50 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: the Mandalaide Bay Hotel. It all goes down Sunday night 51 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: at ten pm. Now interesting another person with him, his 52 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: so called companion, Mary Lou Danley, described only as his 53 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: companion and roommate. She's being questioned right now. I don't 54 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: know how in the world with an arsenal of guns 55 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: like that in the room with you, you can claim 56 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: you don't know what was going on. But I do 57 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: know this This day will be forever marked because America 58 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: is reeling from the worst mass shooting in its history, 59 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: at least fifty people dead at least two hundred wounded 60 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: at the country music festival in Vegas. It all broke 61 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: out on the final night of a three day It 62 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: was called Route ninety one Harvest Festival. It was sold out, 63 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: attended by thousands, and there were top country music acts 64 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: there like Eric Church, Sam Hunt, Jason Alden. Now this shooter, 65 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: sixty four year old Stephen Paddock, is a local. He's 66 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: a resident of nearby Mesquite, Nevada. He's the one that 67 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: opens fire on the festival. Back to Cheryl White, also 68 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: with me, Troy Slaton and Alexis Torres Chuck, Cheryl, this 69 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: guy is a local, so he knew very well about 70 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: the festival. I don't understand how the female companion could 71 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: not know what was going on. How could she not 72 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: know what was happening, Cheryl. I can't really answer that question, 73 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: but it seems highly unlikely she would not know something 74 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: was going to happen. What I find is interesting here 75 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: is that at this point we see that Stephen Paddock, 76 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: the shooter, had no criminal record. There's nothing to trace 77 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: back here. Now we do know that Mary lou Daniley, 78 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: his companion roommate did at one time work as a 79 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: high stakes casino hostess. I'm sure they're going to be 80 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: asking her a lot of questions about what she knew 81 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: about the hotel, about how to get all those weapons, 82 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: and did anyone see them carrying these large cases up there? 83 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: Were they just there for one night, which I believe 84 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: is the case. There's so many questions here, even the 85 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: on duty Vegas police officers who engage with the shooter 86 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: or in the hospital, one critically injured, he's undergoing surgery. 87 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: The other officers just suffered minor injuries. To Troy Slaton, 88 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: we know he was using an automatic weapon, but he 89 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: had an arsenal of weapons with them. I don't think 90 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: there's any way, though, that the mandalaid could have known 91 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: what was in all the bags. I don't think they 92 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: could possibly have had any idea, And even if they did, 93 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: actually we don't even have to go there because they 94 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: didn't know. I think the guy had just checked in. 95 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: But Troy, I'm I'm very curious about this female companion, Nancy. 96 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police detectives are reporting right now 97 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: that they don't believe that she had any connection with 98 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: the shooting. They're not saying that she didn't know about 99 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,119 Speaker 1: his weapons, or they she didn't that they she didn't 100 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: know his mental state, whatever that was, or what his 101 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: system of thinking was to carry off something horrific like this. 102 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: But as far as Mandalaid Bay, they don't check everyone's back. 103 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: There's no X rays to check into a hotel. There's 104 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: no way that they could have known when somebody's carrying 105 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: in suit. And I'm sure boy that you're right. I mean, 106 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: he didn't carry them in, you know, slinging them in 107 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: his hands. He had them hidden. Now we're also hearing 108 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: that this woman, this so called companion, was not in 109 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: the room when the shooting went down. I don't know 110 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: that alexis Torrest chart writer online dot com. What more 111 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: do we know? Before we had to o J, I 112 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: was actually watching this unfold live last night. I was 113 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: up late. It sounded like gunshots. It really did. When 114 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: you listen to the video that people were posting when 115 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: they were screwing. Jason Aldeen was playing this wonderful country 116 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: music entertainment. Was the last show of the night. So 117 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: his song is going and then all of a sudden, 118 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: you hear these popping sounds, and it was constant. It 119 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: wasn't one shot, take a break, two shots. It was constant, constant, constant, constant. 120 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: It was absolutely terrifying for these people. And there were 121 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: people saying that I saw one and that was speaking afterwards, 122 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: and she said she was with her friends and their 123 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: friends eighteen year old daughter was shot and she fell 124 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: around eighteen years old, and they were so scared for her, 125 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: and there were so much going on that they put 126 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: her in the car themselves and drove her to the hospital. 127 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: And these are young people that were victims of this 128 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: horrible shooting. Fifty dead, two hundred wounded. The count is 129 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: rising in the worst shooting, a massacre in US history 130 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: as we wait for justice to unfold. And now we 131 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: had to the latest in the release of O. J. Simpson. 132 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. I've been in Nowhere count 133 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: I've been in Nowhere, USA for the last nine years 134 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: doing nothing. Nothing has changed in my life. What do 135 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: you guys? I mean, what do you expect? I mean, 136 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing change now, Please God, I have a breaking there. 137 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: You hear O. J. Simpson saying nothing has changed? Well, 138 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman's family would 139 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: disagree because the man that murdered Nicole and Ron is 140 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: now walking free. I also understand Alexis Terrest Church writer 141 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: online dot Com that Simpson pounded two number four combos 142 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: from Nevada McDonald's. That was his first free meal on 143 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: the outside. Uh, during his road to Sin City. So 144 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: he headed where is he headed? Vegas? He is? Yep, 145 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: he's gotta He's staying in Vegas right now because nobody 146 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 1: wants him. Valarda won't take him, nobody wants to take 147 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: in California, and so he's he's stuck in Vegas till 148 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: he can find somebody who will open up their home 149 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: for him. And pretty much nobody wants Ojay. So he's 150 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: got to stay in Vegas. But he out of jail, 151 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: and he's complaining because that is o j It's he 152 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: is the most self centered person that has ever walked 153 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: this earth. And he's not grateful for anything. He's not 154 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: thankful to be out. He's not going to, you know, 155 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: search for the real killers of his wife, the mother 156 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: of his two children. Nope, he's just going to complain. 157 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: So long story short. Pap Parazzi quote stumbled upon prisoner 158 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: number one oh two seven eight two. Oh you know, Alexis, 159 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: that was totally set up. That was lately set up. 160 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean the paparazzi they're not that good. They're not 161 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: going to be able to do that. That stay shoot 162 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, and O J rolled down 163 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: the window like just all of a sudden to talk 164 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: to somebody with a camera. No, O J. O J 165 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: sets things up. He did it when he got out 166 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: of jail after getting acquitted for the murders of Ron 167 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: and Nicole, that this is totally okay, and this is 168 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: how he's going to conduct his life now that he's 169 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: out of profile. Lawyer joining me out of l A. Troy. 170 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: They issue up Florida rejecting him. Now the attorney general 171 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: there has written a letter that they don't want him. 172 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: But can she really do that? Is it allowed for 173 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: her to kick somebody out to disallow them Because there's 174 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: all sorts of interstate commerce and freedom to travel under 175 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: the signamument, Florida is a signatory to an interstate compact 176 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: that allows parole es to move from state to state 177 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: and supervision to be redirected to those states. So if 178 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: Florida tries to not allow him to come. That's going 179 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: to expose them to a lawsuit. But one some silver 180 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: lining to all of this is that now the Goldman 181 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: and Brown families are going to be able to start 182 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: hopefully collecting on the now seventy million dollars that they're 183 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: entitled to originally thirty five, but now with interest, it's 184 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: balloon to seventy million dollars that O J owes them, 185 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: and so any money that he receives will start to 186 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: be attacked by those civil attorneys. Asked about his destination, 187 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: he answers, none of your business. Okay, all right. What 188 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: controls are on him? Alexis torres Chuck, I mean, are 189 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: there any conditions upon his release? Yes, he has to 190 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: stay away from all drugs, including if he moves to 191 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: a state where marijuana is legal, he's not allowed to 192 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: do it. So he comes back to California where marijuana 193 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: is legal. O J. Simpson not allowed to smoke pot. 194 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: He's not allowed touch any drugs. He's not allowed to 195 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: have alcohol, and his parole officer can have him drug 196 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: tested at any time, any time at all that he 197 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: wants to could be under point. Oh a is that 198 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: not correct. I understood it was no alcohol at all, 199 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: but you know, you may be right choice latent question 200 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: on these um these issues. We now know that also 201 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: although Florida doesn't seem to want him, I don't know 202 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: how they can really stop him from going there. But 203 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: what about the Goldman lawyer who says he's ready for 204 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: round two of trying to collect from O. J. Simpson. 205 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: What about that this is their opportunity. Uh. A lot 206 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: of his assets are protected if he's a resident of Florida. 207 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: Florida has some of the strongest protections against lawsuits. Uh. 208 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: His pretty hefty NFL pension is protected from lawsuits. And 209 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: so these lawyers will have to attack any new money 210 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: that would come in from let's say, a book about 211 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: what it was like to be in prison for the 212 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: last eight years. Uh. Any type of screenplay or movie rights, 213 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: or if he's paid for any type of media, all 214 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: of that is subject to attack from the civil lawyers. 215 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: Now what I'm learning about the booze is this, and 216 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: this to me is adding fuel to the flame Alexis 217 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: because we know that he has beaten his wife horribly. 218 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: You could hear her screaming in the background as he 219 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: was trying to tear the torch the door down to 220 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: beat her. The conditions and I'm reading from it that 221 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: they were a little confusing, Alexis, I see what you 222 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: were saying. He can consume alcohol, but not to excess. 223 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: He's got to stay underpoint oh eight and he will 224 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: be tested for it. His blood alcohol will be tested. 225 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm curious about whether he can get medical marijuana for 226 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: all his aches and pains. You know, I'm also thinking 227 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: about the families of Ron and Nicole. This guy, this 228 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: lawyer David Cook, has been chasing O. J. Simpson for 229 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: collections for so long. He claims it's his most challenging debtor. 230 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: But now that he's been released for prison, they're going 231 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: after him again. We're also learning about alleged offshore accounts 232 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: where he's been hiding his millions. But for right now, 233 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: where's he gonna hold up? Where can he possibly hold up? 234 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: Troye late and until he we find out if he 235 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: can go to Florida or not. It's my understanding that 236 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: he has some friends in a luxury guard gated community 237 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas that have agreed to have him be 238 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: like Kato Kalin, a house guest m. Everybody still wants 239 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: to be his buddy and glom onto his infamy. You know, 240 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: Florida Corrections Department has just said in the last twenty 241 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: four hours it hasn't even received a request to oversee 242 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: his parole. That may be all a big fat lie 243 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: to throw everybody off. Quote. The department has not received 244 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: any transfer paperwork from Nevada. And that's according to Ashley Cook, 245 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: who's this Corrections department spokesperson. Now what does that mean? 246 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: We also know Alexis Toure's Chucky got preferential treatment yet again. 247 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: He was released, released in the dead of night, in 248 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: the middle of the night so the press could not 249 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: hound him. Sweet right, I mean O J. Always treated 250 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: like a star, the same way he would. People in 251 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: his presence are just ambush brainwashed by him. I don't 252 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: know what the word is. He was during that parole 253 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: hearing the the parole board. Those three professionals who have 254 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: done their jobs so well for so many years, were 255 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: laughing with O. J. Simpson. He was cutting jokes during 256 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: the hearing and his story the only one man on 257 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: the pearl boards. Did you know, O J? Your story 258 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: that you're telling now does not match with the evidence 259 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: with which you were convicted, like nothing is reality for 260 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: o Jo and he just it just made me sick. 261 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: Troice Layton, I know where you stand that you agreed 262 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: he got went out on top at the right time 263 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: in Vegas in Nevada, but I just thought their whole 264 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: a meanor was awful. Alexis is right joking and laughing 265 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: with him during the hearing, But how did he give 266 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: everybody to slip getting out of a Nevada prison unseen 267 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: in the dead of night? And this is after the 268 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: last for Bronco style chase. You think that had anything 269 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: to do with it, Troy Slayton, It wasn't his choice, Nancy. Uh, 270 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: this was for the convenience of Nevada Corrections officials. They 271 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: didn't want, uh, exactly what you're saying. They didn't want 272 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: another Broncos scene. They didn't want the disruption at their facility. 273 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: This was more for their convenience than it was to 274 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: protect O. J. Simpson. Well, the O. J. Simpson saga 275 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: goes on, but I'm pausing to thank our partner. It's 276 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: legal zone. When you run your own business, you know, 277 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 1: time equals money. That's not just an old saying it's true, 278 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: So why waste your valuable time dealing with issues legal 279 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: zoom can help with. You may already know over two 280 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: million people have used a legal zoom to start their businesses. 281 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 1: But legal Zoom services don't end there. 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As 297 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, Simpson was granted parole after shorting just nine 298 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: years of a let's see twenty thirty years sentence from 299 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: long had been his friend for almost twenty seven years. 300 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: I want you to listen to the very latest that 301 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: has been uncovered by Daily Mail TV, daily Mail dot 302 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: com about this witness. Okay, go ahead, brace yourself. This 303 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: is Bruce from on COT on audio tape business. Threatening 304 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: words from an angry Bruce from a feeling set up 305 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: after that infamous Las Vegas robbery. A stark contrast of 306 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: early this year, when Fremont testified for o J at 307 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: his parole here he made a mistake. And if he 308 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: called me tomorrow and said, Bruce, I'm getting out, will 309 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: you pick me up juice, I'll be here tomorrow. And 310 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: I'm here to say that I've known o J for 311 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: a long time. I don't feel that he's a threat 312 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 1: to anyone out there. He's a good man. That's not 313 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: how Fremont felt a decade ago. Listen to more of 314 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: this bomb show recording captured just minutes after o J 315 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: and his crew helped Fremon up at gunpoint. Don't Kay, 316 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: what's the gun away? I stood up to that float 317 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: in sad jail. I stood up for him in the 318 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: press I stood up for him on the sand I 319 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: helped him up shore accounts, off shore accounts. Not so fast, O. J. Simpson, 320 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: because I'm telling you right now, Shawn Walsh from Daily 321 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: mailty the Dailymail dot com, if you are trying to 322 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: subvert justice, the one person you do not want to 323 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: mess with is the taxman. You ever heard? I mean, 324 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: I know you're an awesoe, but you have to have 325 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: heard of al Capone, the famous monster, murderer, racketeer, God 326 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: knows what else you know? Who sent him to jail? 327 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: The tax man. Nobody else could get a conviction on 328 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: al Capone, but the I r As nailed him. They 329 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: don't play. That's what I'm saying, Shawn watsh Now, what 330 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: does the Bruce Fromong sound that you guys uncovered reveal, Sean? 331 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: It reveals Bruce was a very very very angry man 332 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: when he skept out of that room when the robbery occurred. 333 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: He's cursing, as you heard, he's swearing. He's saying, with 334 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: everything I've done for O J. I don't want a 335 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: damn gun put in my face. Who does he think 336 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: he is? I stood by him when he was on 337 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: the stand, and um I set up offshore accounts, and 338 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: you know what, there will be two sets of people 339 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: that will be interested in that. One the taxman to 340 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: the golden Man. You're not kidding. Explain what you mean 341 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: by that. Ron Goldman's parents, his dad, Fred Goldman has 342 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: been entireless advocate. He has hounded O. J. Simpson, hey 343 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 1: Wethy Patrick California prosecutor Kier and Start, renowned psychologist joining 344 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: me out of New York. You know what happens, right, 345 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: So Simpson has been a signing fool behind bars, signing pictures, 346 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: memorabilia reportedly and then sells it and makes a men 347 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: in cash. Before he went to jail on the armed 348 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: robbery in Vegas, he would go to these memorabilia events 349 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: and sign and take all the money in cash. Before 350 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: Goldman could find out and get a sheriff there, Simpson 351 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: will be gone with the money. So he's been making 352 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: money hand for fist signing, football signing, jersey, signing pictures, anything, 353 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: and Goldman can't get his hands on Simpson's money. And 354 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: Karen start, it's not about the money anymore for Fred Goldman, 355 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: if it ever was. He's trying very hard to find 356 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: a way to um get some kind of affirmation, um 357 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: that his son was killed by this man, and if 358 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: he could get the money, it's just symbolic, Nancy, of 359 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: you murdered my son, they found you guilty. I've deserved 360 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: to have something that you know will replace what happened. 361 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: That shows just some sort some degree of justice with me. 362 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor, Wendy Well. I can't go, Hman 363 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: get any of Simpson's money. He's making a huge NFL 364 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: football retirement pension. Boy, isn't that the true than that? 365 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: I think really anger as many Americans that are watching this, 366 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: and it doesn't. It's not even so much about the money. 367 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: It's about the principle that that dollars Simpson gets from 368 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: his pension can't be touched. Now, Nancy, I predict that 369 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: when he is released, Simpson will go from a signing 370 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: fool to a filming fool if he in fact is approached, 371 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: as we all know, he's going to be from media 372 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 1: outlets the want to sell his story. And you know, 373 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: if if history predicts future behavior, he's not going to 374 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: be able to resist that offer. And then the question 375 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: becomes how much of that money? I mean, we could 376 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: argue why not all of it goes to the sentence. 377 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 1: He's not he's not made even a dent barely in 378 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: that thirty three million dollar judgment, and so anything he 379 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: makes above board, and it's going to be obvious if 380 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: he's going to be making this through the media should 381 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: go to at least partially achieve some measure of justice 382 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: for that family. Let's analyze Shaun Walts exactly what you 383 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: guys uncovered on Daily Mail that Bruce Fromong said, remember 384 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: a friend of twenty seven years to O. J. Simpson 385 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 1: that testified in his favor at the parole board and 386 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: was his armed robbery victim as well. All right, let's 387 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: analyize what he says. This is what we call in 388 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: the law an excited utterance. Uh. To me, that gives 389 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: it more more weight when you're like, holy crap, and 390 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: you're like angry or you're afraid, you're not filtering what 391 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: you're saying. He did not know he was being audiotaped. 392 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: How was the audio tape, Sean, He was audio taped 393 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: by someone else that was there, and these tapes have 394 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: been verified by the FBI, and he is highly emotional, 395 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: he's agitated. He's just been in a situation where a 396 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: gun has been pointed in his face, so that would 397 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: make most people behave the same way he's behaving on 398 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: these tapes. And that's where, bit by bit he starts 399 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: revealing what o J has been up to. And I mean, 400 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,239 Speaker 1: this is something that you can't come back from now. 401 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: Daily Mail went to him and asked for comment all 402 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: these years later, and he said no comment, that he 403 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: didn't want to comment on the offshore accounts or anything 404 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: like that. And if you recall at the Parole Board hearing, 405 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: I've got nothing but good things to say that o J. 406 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: Let the past be the past. Bygones, bigodbygones. He almost 407 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: sang Kumbaya. It was extraordinary. So it'll be interesting to 408 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: see what relationship he has with Simpson. Uh when Simpson's 409 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 1: on the outside. Take a listen to Bruce Fremont at 410 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: the Parole hearing, you made a mistake. And if he 411 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: called me tomorrow and said, Bruce, i'm getting out, will 412 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: you pick me up Juice, I'll be here tomorrow and 413 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: I'm here to say that I'm no no J for 414 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: a long time. I don't feel that he's a threat 415 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: to anyone out there. He's a good man. Okay, now 416 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: let's compare it. I just can't listen to this enough. 417 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: Listen to Fremont again after he's had a dunce d 418 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: up as nostril one more time, Alan Duke, I stood 419 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: on board in the prim I stood on shrimp. Now 420 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm telling you something. To Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor, that's 421 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: one tiger. You don't want to pull that tail because 422 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: once you got the tiger by the tail, you can't 423 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: hold on and you can't let go. No way, it's 424 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: gonna turn out good. And that is the I r as. 425 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: You know what it pains me to pay my taxes. 426 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: It does. I would love to use that money on 427 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: the twins. Blah blah blah. You know how long I've 428 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: been driving my minivan. I don't even know anymore. It 429 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: was way, way a long time ago. But the taxman 430 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: comes first, all right, you do not mess with him. 431 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: And there's a reason for that, Wendy. Yeah, you know 432 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: there are so many reasons, Nancy, that O J is 433 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: no doubt going to find himself again behind bars. That's 434 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: the prediction, right, He's in Las Vegas, so let's bet 435 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: on it. It's either going to be for tax evasion, 436 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: it's going to be for some other kind of crime, 437 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: for violating the terms and conditions of his parole, which 438 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: they is a short leash. Remember the Parole Board made 439 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: very clear about that. But yeah, you're right, it's almost 440 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: as if we're looking at him as not following rules 441 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: that apply to all the rest of us. That make 442 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: the rest of I mean, can you imagine I'd love 443 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: to make dollars a month, but it's not in the 444 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: interest of fairness that he gets any kind of a past. 445 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: And he is under a microscope. So all of these 446 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: points we're bringing up that might land him in future trouble. 447 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to escape because too many 448 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: eyes are on him as believing he's just gotten one 449 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: too many breaks in the criminal justices. This is killing 450 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: a Shawn Walls, Daily Mail TV and daily Mail dot Com. 451 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: You know what his lawyer says. The worst thing behind 452 00:28:55,040 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: ours that O. J. Simpson is quote bore two tears, 453 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: bored to tears. That's his problem. If you polled every 454 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: single American, they'd like to see him bored to tears 455 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: for the remainder of his life. Behind What is his 456 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: life going to be now now that he is walking free. Um. 457 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: I mean life for him is going to be very 458 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: very interesting because he maintains that element of celebrity. I mean, 459 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: he's infamous, he's notorious. So wherever he goes, people are 460 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: going to want to hear from him. They're going to 461 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: want to hear what he's up to. They're going to 462 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: follow him. He's gonna he's got and he's got an 463 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: appetite for this celebrity. He likes being famous. He's a performer. 464 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: Don't forget that. He wasn't just playing professional football. He 465 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: was in commercials and TV shows and movies. He likes 466 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: to be a star. And I wouldn't be surprised. But 467 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: as soon as he gets out he's going to want 468 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: to be a star again. Do you believe Sean was 469 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: because I think that he would love it to be. 470 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: Do you think he's going to store in a reality show? 471 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: You know what, It wouldn't surprise me. It would not 472 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: surprise me if he we went and saw Life with 473 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: the Simpsons or Keeping Up with the Simpsons happening with 474 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: that of that title. You better run out and copyright 475 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: that thing or trade market right now. Um, Here's the 476 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: thing though, Sean watch delly mill dot com. If he 477 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: does a reality show, then he's actually on a payroll, 478 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: and all that money would go to Ryan Goldman. I 479 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: think he'd rather eat a dirt sandwich than have money 480 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: go to Fred Goldman for murdering Ron. He would be 481 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: on an actual payroll. If I was the I R S, 482 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: I would be looking at Mr Simpson and everyone around 483 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: Mr Simpson when he gets out, because I'm sure Mr 484 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: Simpson will be looking for a way for that money 485 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: not to go directly to him. So I'd be looking 486 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: at every single associate, attorney, tax age and everyone around 487 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: him because I bet you there'll be a money trial. 488 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: You know, Sean, when you mentioned earlier, or maybe it 489 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: was Windy twenty five thousand dollars does he make dollars 490 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: a month? That's from his pension, and that's untouchable. And 491 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: that is one of the reasons why everybody is going 492 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: to be watching so carefully to see what he makes 493 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: from the reality shows. And I think Sean brings up 494 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: a great point. It's not just O J. He's smart 495 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: enough to surround himself with people. Well, we'll see how 496 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: smart he has leave it works out, But at least 497 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: in the past, there's been this suspicion, as you heard 498 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: with that excited Vetherans earlier, that there may be money 499 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: that's being funneled elsewhere provided the assistance by his friends. 500 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: So everyone within his circle of influence is going to 501 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: be under a microscope. You would think that would make 502 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: him a priah and people wouldn't want to be associated 503 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: with him, But you're right, that celebrity is like a magnet, 504 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: and no doubt he's going to have a circle of 505 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: people that are fascinated with his life. They're going to 506 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: be looked at by the I R. S as well 507 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: to make sure they're not fundling cash whatever it is 508 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: on his behalf. Karen start, what is that thing that 509 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: people want to be attached to celebrities so much they'll 510 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: do anything? And I'm referring to his group of cronies, 511 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: those hangers on is a double murderer, but they don't care. 512 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: They just love being around him. It's a sick, parasitic 513 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: sort of thing. What is that, Karen start, Well, it's 514 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: a certain kind of charisma. And remember he's in narcissists, right, 515 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: and so he comes across as though he doesn't really 516 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: care whether he's been he's committed a crime, he's done 517 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: anything wrong. He comes across with a lot of confidence. 518 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: And I want to tell you something, Nancy, this is 519 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: really important. They will watch him because he will break 520 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: the rules again. O. J. Simpson does not believe that 521 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: the rules are made for him. He feels he is different. 522 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: He can do whatever he wants, and he will try 523 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: to find a way to make sure of money. He 524 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: does not go to the gold Men's and he will 525 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: do something wrong because he can't follow the law. Well, 526 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: this is what it's really all about. It's about a 527 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: night several years ago when Nicole Brown had her neck 528 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: sliced so badly she was nearly decapitated. The only thing 529 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: that held her head on her body was a thin 530 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: strip of flesh on the back of her spine. That's 531 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: why her head was still on her body. The crime 532 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: scene photos so gruesome many people refused to even print them. 533 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: Wrong Goldman in the prime of his life, a young man, 534 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: handsome guy, good guy, shows up to return a pair 535 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: of glasses Nicole's mom left at the restaurant where he worked. 536 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: Wrong place, wrong time, and another horrible fit of anger. 537 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: O J. Simpson murders them both and walks Scott free. 538 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: It was a punch in the stomach. It was a 539 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: kick in the teeth to Lady Justice. And yet again 540 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: O J. Simpson walks free, but not so fast. You know, 541 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: the Pardon and Parole Board out in Nevada did a 542 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: very bad thing in their decision that O. J. Simpson 543 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: should be released. Now many people say he did his 544 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: time on the robbery. Let me tell you about the robbery. 545 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: This is on top of the double murder of Nicole 546 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: Brown and Royan Goldman. He thinks that a sports memorabilia 547 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: dealer has some of his stuff, and he does have 548 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 1: some of his stuff. Everything else he had rightfully. There 549 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: were a few family photo albums in there, and I 550 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: don't know how they got into the mix. But he 551 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: gets a gang of misfits and off they go, armed 552 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: to the teeth, break in on the memorabilia dealer, hold 553 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,959 Speaker 1: a gun to his head, cursing, throw at a big fit, 554 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: they take stuff in late. That's armed robbery. Armed robbery 555 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: carries a sentence of twenty to thirty years. He has 556 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: not done his time. He hasn't even done half of 557 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: his time. That's a whole another can of worms compared 558 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: to what's happening right now with Oorenthal, James Simpson and 559 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: with me from Daily Mail TV and daily Mail dot 560 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: Com Sean Walsh, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor and renowned psychologist 561 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: out of New York, Karen Starts, Shaun Walsh. What is 562 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: happening is the whole world? Bass Akwards, It's a nancy, 563 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: It truly is. I mean when I was watching on 564 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: television the Parole Board hearing and O J said, I 565 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: have lived a conference of conflict for a live I 566 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: had to literally picked my draw up from the ground 567 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: and put it back into place, because, as you and 568 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 1: I know, that's completely incorrect. Does nobody remember those giant 569 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: blow up pictures of Nicole Brown? The whole half side 570 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 1: of her face was black and blue And it wasn't 571 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: the first time. There were nine one one calls or 572 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: he was beating the door down screaming he was going 573 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: to kill her, and he did and he did. But 574 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,439 Speaker 1: also could this have made any difference? A witness has 575 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: come forward again yet again on Daily Mail TV. Her 576 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: name is Jill Shivelly. Jill Chivlly never made it to trial. 577 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: What does Jill Shibley say happened? Shawn Walsh. Jill Shibley 578 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: said that she saw and encountered the Bronco the night 579 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: of the murders, and she claims that if she had 580 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: been put on the stand by Marcia Clark, she could 581 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: have changed the course of that trial. We all know 582 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: what the outcome was. We're all still shocked by it today. 583 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: But Jill says, to this day it is the greatest 584 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: regret of her life that she did not get to 585 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: testify to say that she saw the Bronco during that 586 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: time period on that night when Nicole Brown Simpson was 587 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: murdered with wrong Goldben. Let me nail down the details, 588 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: because the devil is in the details with me, Shaun Walsh, Wendy, Patrick, 589 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,240 Speaker 1: Karen start listen to this, Wendy, this woman, Jill Chivally. 590 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: It's about eleven o'clock the night of June twelve, the 591 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 1: night of the killings, the killings, the double murders, and 592 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: Nicole and Ryan go down around ten fifteen. That's when 593 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: the dog Akita begins to bark like crazy at ten forty. 594 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: Kato Kalen, the house guest, here's three bumps on the 595 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: side of his pool while he lived in the pool house, 596 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: and she Jill Chiviley C. Simpson around eleven o'clock. Guess 597 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: where she season. This would be twenty five minutes after 598 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: the murders. He sees him coming out of Bundy, South Bundy. 599 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: The murders go down on Bundy and he's having a fit. 600 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: He's screaming. That's what gets her attention. She left her 601 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: house to go to the store, Wendy. Eleven o'clock she 602 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: sees the white Bronco. She hears screaming. Another vehicle has 603 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: blocked O. J. Simpson's Bronco and he can't get around it. 604 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: This is right after the murders, coming out of South Bundy. 605 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: Of course he goes berserk. He's screaming and cursing. She 606 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: turns around. She and her mother had just gone to 607 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: see Naked Gun thirty three and a third. She went, 608 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: Holy moly, that's O. J. Simpson. No, she no what 609 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: right then she thought she recognized the voice. She thought 610 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: he was a drunk driver. That night, she gets home 611 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: and calls police about the drug driver. It's on record, Wendy. 612 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: Then the next morning her family tells her about Nicole 613 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: Brown and Ron Goldman. She calls police at seven am 614 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,720 Speaker 1: and tells them she sees him leaving the crime scene 615 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: area the night before at eleven o'clock and he made 616 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 1: a jackass of himself screaming at another vehicle. She places 617 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: him at the crime scene within twenty minutes of the murder. 618 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: This is why she didn't testify. Time passed and she 619 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: was approached by hard Copy and she sold her story. 620 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Wendy, I would have put her up anyway, 621 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: because who usually witnesses a murder? Uh not nuns and 622 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: priests of virgins. I can tell you that much. So 623 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: you have to tell the jury. Look, this is what happened. 624 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 1: But this is how I know she's telling the truth. 625 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: She called it seven am the next morning and at 626 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: midnight the night it happened, before hard copy was ever 627 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: heard of. Her story was corroborated. You can hate her 628 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: for selling her story, but this is what she saw. 629 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: That's what I would have done. But that's not what happened, 630 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,320 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick. Yeah, you know. It's It's a great point, Nancy, 631 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: because you're right. We when you have a celebrity involved, 632 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: all the rules are different. You have people behaving differently 633 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: behaving in ways we wish they wouldn't like selling their stories. 634 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: This is why we worry about stealth jurors trying to 635 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: get onto these types of cases in order to have 636 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: a book deal afterwards. So the question is, was her 637 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: credibility tainted so much that a jury would not have 638 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: believed her testimony? Now that's something that no doubt was 639 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: weighed internally within the prosecutor's office. And we all know 640 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: what the answer to that analysis was. To second guess it. Now, 641 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: it's easy for us to know, But who knows what 642 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: the conversation really was around that conference room table when 643 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: they were deciding, when they were wayne equities to decide 644 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: what they would think, what a jury would think. Well, 645 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, I've got a little hint, Sean Walsh, what 646 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: does this witness say? This incredibly important witness, Jill Chivili 647 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: say happened with Marcia Clark. She says that this is 648 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: the greatest regret of her life. She says she wished 649 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: that she had gotten the opportunity to be on the 650 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 1: stand to say what she saw. And I mean, if 651 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: you think about it, so many people accept payment for 652 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: interviews and this could have easily have been argued by 653 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: Marsha that, look, she came to us before she went 654 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: to hard Copy. She told us a story. Jill Shivley 655 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: was very honest and upfront with everybody else that she 656 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: had accepted payment, And she could have said that on 657 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: the stand, Yes I did, but that does not change 658 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: what I saw. And this is exactly what I saw. 659 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: Because fast forward all of these years later, and everyone 660 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 1: believes Joe Shivley. It didn't matter that she took payment 661 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: for her story. What she saw is what she saw, 662 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: and that could have changed the outcome of this case. 663 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,720 Speaker 1: Quoting Jill Shivilly, she says her confrontation with Marcia Clark 664 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 1: after hard Copy was quote the worst experience of my life. Quote. 665 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: Marcia Clark flew into a fit. She called me in 666 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: and screamed at me. She shoved her finger in my face, 667 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: saying I blew her case. She was so mad, you 668 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 1: blew it, You blew it. I told her I would 669 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: not take the money. I would redeem myself on the stand. 670 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,359 Speaker 1: It didn't matter. She was so mad. It didn't matter 671 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: that I turned down the money and a hundred thousand 672 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: dollars more I was offered later She told me, I 673 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: don't need you. I've got plenty of evidence and my 674 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: cases a slam dunk, she says, Clark was so angry 675 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: and arrogant and one of the things her way, it 676 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: didn't matter. I was trying to make it right. Well, 677 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: we know what happened after that. We know what happened 678 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: after that, Karen Stark, psychologist. You and I have seen 679 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: many many cases together. There is no such thing as 680 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: a slam dunk. There is no such thing, Karen. No. 681 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 1: And it's a shame that that was the way that 682 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: she was thinking, because you want to be sure that 683 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: you have every piece of evidence available to you. And 684 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: that egotism really did a disservice to the trial. And 685 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: I remember just talking to you about it over and 686 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: over again, how she just didn't seem to be prepared, 687 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: didn't know how to answer when they would bring up 688 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 1: things that she should have been able to fight. And 689 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: here is one I agree with you, Nancy, where something 690 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: could have been done. It really is a shamed you know, 691 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: Sean Walsh, Daily Mail TV and daily Mail dot Com. 692 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: You guys rebroke this story as well as another regarding 693 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 1: Bruce Vermont. But on chivially on chevally what did she 694 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: say on Daily Mail TV? She says that she there 695 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: isn't a moment in her life when she doesn't think 696 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,800 Speaker 1: about this. She wishes she could have the time again. 697 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 1: And she's also not looking forward to O J. Getting out. 698 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: She's concerned. She's very, very concerned, and she says she 699 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,319 Speaker 1: has a fear there and I feel sorry for her. 700 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: The interview that I had Friday was extraordinarily powerful, and 701 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: I just think that this is a woman who wishes 702 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: she could have the opportunity again to make a different 703 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: decision from Daily Mail TV. Listened to Jill Shivalley, you 704 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: decide do you believe her? This is the intersection of 705 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: Sam and Cynthia and Bundy where everything happened, where I 706 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: almost collided with O J. Simpson that night. I remember 707 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: being hungry and I needed to get to gcery store 708 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: before it closed at eleven. I'm rushing up to the 709 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: intersection of Sam and Cynthia Bundy. That's when I almost 710 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,479 Speaker 1: got hit by a white broncho with his lights off. 711 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: I saw him. He looked at me, and I looked 712 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 1: at him. I knew that person driving the bronco was 713 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: an athlete. I knew right away it was O J. 714 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: Because I had just seen him in a movie. He 715 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: looked angry and hurry, looked upset as if I had 716 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: done something to him, And at that time I believed 717 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,800 Speaker 1: he was drunk, because why would you drive that way? 718 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,240 Speaker 1: He took off line around the gas station up north 719 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: on Bundy, A couple of boxed down. Here is Nicole Tone. 720 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 1: I did not know until later that I was boxed 721 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: away from the martyr. I have nightmares about that night 722 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,439 Speaker 1: of almost colliding with O J. If I had only 723 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,919 Speaker 1: hit his car, he could not have denied he was there. 724 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: That would have blown his timeline. That ten seconds at 725 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: that intersection has changed my life in so many ways, 726 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: losing my job, having to seat counseling. To this day, 727 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: I've had heard issues being here. Remembering that night gives 728 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 1: me the creeps. I feel like I'm in a horror 729 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: movie right now. It's like going back to the sceneother 730 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,799 Speaker 1: crime for me. Whenever I hear O. G. Simpson's name, 731 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: I get anxious to feel stick to my stomach. Bottom 732 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: line Shawn walts. She is forever marked as the witness 733 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: that didn't make it to the stand. She is forever branded, 734 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, like the scarlet letter that she sold her testament. 735 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, Sean. I have had junkies, 736 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 1: I have had defendant, I have had I don't even 737 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,879 Speaker 1: know who I've put on the stand before. And this 738 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,800 Speaker 1: is what you do. And I learned it the hard way, Sean. 739 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: I almost lost a case. It was an aggravated assault. 740 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 1: A stripper was walking down an alley with a guy 741 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: who may have also been a stripper, I'm not sure 742 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: about him. She was ag assault robbed. She was dressed 743 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 1: that night as a so called sexy cheerleader. It was 744 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,400 Speaker 1: one of my first cases, and I didn't know how 745 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,360 Speaker 1: the jury would respond to her, and I was afraid 746 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,720 Speaker 1: they would think she was in on the robbery. She wasn't. 747 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: She really was arm robbed. Um. So I said, do 748 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,919 Speaker 1: not say one thing about being a stripper. If it's 749 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: brought up a minute, don't lie, but don't bring it up, 750 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: all right, And so I started off about you know, 751 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,879 Speaker 1: where are you from? How long have you been in Atlanta? 752 00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, Where do you go to church? Blah 753 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: blah blah. The jury is looking at me like, what 754 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: are you even taught? We know she's a stripper, Okay, 755 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: I mean you could just tell so long story short, 756 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 1: you cannot hide anything from a jury. So from that point, 757 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: unluckily I won the case. You don't hide anything the jury. 758 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: They just should have been straight up, Sean should have 759 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: been straight honest, be honest. If you're honest, you have credibility, 760 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: and then people will believe everything you say. And in 761 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,839 Speaker 1: this interview that she did with Daily Mail TV, you 762 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: believe her. She's credible, she's honest, she tells the truth. 763 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: And I think that not only is this Jewel's biggest regret, 764 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:49,800 Speaker 1: it's probably one of Marsha Clark's biggest. Although you know, people, um, 765 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 1: it's very hard for them to ever admit they did 766 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 1: anything wrong. I guarantee you there's a lot of fingerpointing 767 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: going on. It was the jury, it was the what 768 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: was this was that? I don't know? All I know 769 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: Simpson Walking Free, Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off goodbye 770 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:20,320 Speaker 1: for me. 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