WEBVTT - Save the Whales! 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:07.720 Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.760 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.760 Chuck and Jerry's here too, and we are going crunchy 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:23.119 granola even today talking about saving the whales, which Chuck, 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:24.720 I don't know about you, but for me, that was 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:27.760 like a big part of my childhood. So this is 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:29.280 a little bit nostalgic for me. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.080 Yeah, I mean, if you're insinuating I grew up under 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.160 a rock in the nineteen seventies, that it's not the case. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:37.480 You did live on a gravel road. 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:38.240 That's true. 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:39.240 We're rocks involved. 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:40.160 I lived among rocks. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.120 But yeah, I mean I would go out on a 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:47.159 limb and say that. Well, this article says save the 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.159 Whales is one of the most successful environmental conservation movements 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:54.240 in history. But I'm from my mouth to thine ears, 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:56.400 I'm going to say I think the Save the Whales 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.480 campaign is one of the most effective marketing camp pains 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:02.760 across any genre in history. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.000 Well, wow, it was that ambiquitous. 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.200 Yeah, it was super ubiquitous. I think you caught more 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.440 of it than me. Even like the stuff that I 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:15.119 call was a little bit of the the after wash. 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:19.200 I don't know, like remember that thing you were living well, no, 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.360 it was still a thing. Yeah, but I think the 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.840 peak I missed the peak and you were living right 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.679 through it because the seventies were like when this really 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.480 started to ramp up big time. And I'm sure plenty 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.440 of people out there have heard save the whales, and 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.840 it is like a pretty ubiquitous slogan used to be 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:40.280 even more ubiquitous, like we're saying. But despite that, there 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.480 wasn't like one person or group that you're like that 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.280 they started save the whales. It almost just kind of 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:51.600 bubbled up into the collective consciousness and a bunch of 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.680 different groups kind of started doing the same thing, sometimes 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:58.040 working together, other times doing it independently. But the whole 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:04.240 goal was to preserve declining whale populations from extinction, and 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.440 they all were kind of under the same banner of 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:07.720 save the whales. 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:09.760 Yeah, and we're going to talk a little bit about 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:11.760 the actual saving of the whales. We're gonna talk a 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.760 little bit about that campaign, you know, slogan, and how 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.399 that was a thing. But if you want to talk 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:22.680 about just the word save the whales, that did not 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.880 come about in the nineteen seventies that became a thing. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.400 And I mean the phrase dates back to the eighteen hundreds, 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.760 like the eighteen eighties, but it really became a thing 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.320 in the nineteen twenties when whale conservation was first a 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.440 little flicker on the radar of I mean, what would 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:42.320 be early conservationists. But in nineteen twenty eight there was 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.959 a mammalogist group that had to save the whales, meeting 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.440 in Washington, DC. And that's when it really kicked off 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.480 as far as like you know, there were buttons and 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:57.919 there was a satirical poem written about how ubiquitous it 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:59.320 was in the nineteen twenties and thirties. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.120 So it was definitely a big thing early on. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.600 Yeah, and in those articles, I think Anna helped us 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.440 with this one. She dug up some articles from the 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.680 twenties about those meetings and they were saving the whales 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.960 to the bison populations that almost went extinct, yeah, you know, 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.760 just a few decades before. So the lesson was learned 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.400 by some and they're like, these whales aren't going to 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.920 be around much longer either. And it wasn't just the US. 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.560 It spread around the world, like other countries started kind 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.320 of their own save the whale initiatives. It was clear 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:34.160 that we were over whaling. And yet despite that, in 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:39.000 the nineteen twenties and thirties, whaling was still generally antiquated. 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.440 It was still the kind of whaling that you think 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:45.040 of like New Bedford, Massachusetts, like the salty old sea 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.000 dog with a peg leg and a spear in his 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:51.280 other hand, a pipe, maybe even a parrot like out 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:55.080 there whaling with a harpoon that he's using with his hands. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.000 They killed a lot of whales like that, but it 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.800 was nothing compared to the Austrial whaling that started in 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.840 like the middle of the twentieth century. 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.640 Yeah, I mean they started having you know, literal cannons 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.480 mounted on the side of a of a ship that 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.760 would shoot exploding harpoons. And by the sixties they were 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.600 taking eighty thousand whales a year. Blue whales neared extinction, 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:24.239 plenty of others in like grave danger. I am taking 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.440 my first trip to Nantucket this summer, and that is 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:29.400 they have a whaling museum there. 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:31.200 Yeah, that I'm going to go to. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.320 I've never even been to that part of the country really, 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.159 so I'm eager to go, and not to celebrate whaling, 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.760 but just as a sort of historical museum kind of thing. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:41.720 Emily has already said that she won't be going. 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.280 No, I can understand that it would be kind of 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:45.280 hard to take for sure. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.080 Yeah, but I mean, I imagine it's fairly interesting. 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.200 It's just a blip in time, but it's not I 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.680 doubt if they're trying to sell you on whaling at 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:54.159 least a. 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:58.960 Right right, Remember when it's great about Nantucket. That is 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.520 like to thirty limericks, what enya is the crosswords? 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:07.359 Wow? Yeah, yeah, that's a nice full So a good. 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:11.120 Comparison here is like, like I said, New Bedford, Massachusetts, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:16.839 that area Nantucket, Cape Cod. I guess sure they this 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.920 was like the seat of whaling internationally in like the 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:25.039 mid nineteenth century and over this basically this decade of 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:29.920 American dominance of whaling, they took one hundred thousand whales. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.080 Now what you're saying is that by the sixties they're 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.640 taking almost that amount in one year, not a decade. Yeah, 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.240 that's how much it had gotten stepped up. And if 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.440 the people in the twenties in the thirties were worried 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:45.120 about whales going extinct before using the kind of antiquated 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:49.080 original whaling techniques. This new stuff was really a threat 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:49.440 to them. 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:50.320 Yeah, for sure. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.039 And you know, the seventies, it sort of merged with 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.440 the post sixties crunchiness to really become a big thing. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.960 But going back to the thirties and nineteen thirty on 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.440 the nose, the League of Nations got together and established 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.359 the Bureau of International Whaling Statistics just so they could 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:10.599 see if it truly was a bison situation. And a 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:14.599 year later they're like, yep, it's pretty bad. They're declining 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.720 big time. And so twenty two nations signed in agreement 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.960 at the Geneva Convention that year for the regulation of 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.320 whaling to put some limits. And that was kind of 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.719 the first move was in nineteen thirty one. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.400 You know what else I saw too, Something else that 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.599 saved the whales in the first way the first half 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.640 of the twentieth century was the invention of the light 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:40.040 bulb because people didn't need whale oil for lamps anymore. 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:41.840 Yeah, I mean, I guess we should say that they 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.480 whiled because that blubber was oil for lamps, and people 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.080 also ate it. And also, you know, we're not going 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.560 to not talk about indigenous populations where it's right. You know, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.960 they depended on that stuff for sustenance and some still do, so, yeah, 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.799 that's why they wailed. 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.360 Well. Also, that's why some of these early I guess 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:08.480 international agreements on conserving whale stocks were created, not because 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.880 they're like whaling's wrong. They were like, we need to 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.280 be able to keep whaling in the future, so let's 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.960 not overdo it now, let's figure out what is a 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.280 sustainable amount. That's what the earliest agreements were for. 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:25.240 Yeah, let's stop whaling some so we can keep whaling exactly. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:26.960 So that was the first one. 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.640 Thirty one, thirty seven came along and ten nations signed 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.560 on to another one called the International Agreement for the 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:33.680 Regulation of Whaling. 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:35.920 Also put some more limits. 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:42.080 It banned blue, humpback fin and sperm whales under certain links. 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.560 But it was still declining. So in nineteen forty six 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.920 the International Whaling Commission. They just keep starting these commissions 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:51.800 and getting member countries on board and it's really not 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.600 making much of a difference. And they did that in 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.760 forty six again with fourteen member nations. But the forty 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.760 six one, you know, aligned I guess at thirty seven 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.760 aligned with World War two, so they were like, we 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.680 can't go without this oil like at this time. So 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.120 it just it didn't really have any teeth. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:11.560 Yeah, not only that they needed like meat, So they 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.920 weren't in a position. The world wasn't in a position 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.720 after World War two to be like no, not let's 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.280 stop taking this meat. Like whale meat fed a lot 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.720 of people who didn't have access to other kinds of 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:26.080 protein from World War two. So yeah, those agreements were 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.720 kind of like, no, this isn't gonna work right now. 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.200 And then as things started to ramp up, because now 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.240 there was a much bigger market that hadn't been there 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:38.000 before for whale meat, like a global market. That's why 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:45.560 it became this industrial factory farming like version of whaling, right, So, 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.520 because there was just a lot more money to be made. 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.400 So the people who finally started to save the whales 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:55.360 campaign of the seventies had a really huge hill to climb, 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:59.160 the biggest hill anyone who was against whaling itself ever 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:00.960 had to climb in the history of whaling. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.679 Yeah, for sure, but it was, like I said, kind 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.400 of the right time. Coming out of the sixties. There 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.559 were a lot more just sort of environmental concerns popping up. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.320 The EPA was a little more in the limelight, and 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.160 it was just there was more awareness of that kind 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.960 of thing, and there was a big perspective shift that 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.400 happened that was much much different from those earlier ones 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.760 like you were saying, where it was like let's conserve 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.079 so we can keep whaling. Like this was a legitimate 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:28.240 like hey, these things were realizing are intelligent, and that 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.120 started happening in the nineteen fifties, like finding out that 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.520 whales were smart. Yeah, thanks to a Navy engineer named 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.600 Frank Watlington was a really big change. 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:41.120 Well, yeah, he liked to I almost have the sense 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.679 that it was in his spare time record with a 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:48.000 hydrophone the underwater sounds of the Navy, like shooting off bombs, 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:52.120 and he accidentally caught some whale songs of some baileing whales, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.200 and he was like, this is I've not heard stuff 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.120 like this before. It seems like there's a pattern to 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.160 it or a rhythm, or they keep coming back to 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.760 like a chorus. I don't know. So he gave it 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:06.160 to some marine biologists who actually took it and released 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.400 it as an album in nineteen seventy Songs of the 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.319 Humpback Whale and have you listened to it? 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.760 Oh? Yeah, I like most of my adult life. 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:19.600 Yeah, it's just so mellow. It's so ambient that you're like, wait, 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.960 did they add some synth here? And no, it's just 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:23.520 nothing but whale songs. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.400 Right yeah, Brian, you know had nothing to do with it. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.760 Right, So I can't imagine this was released in nineteen seventy. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.320 I can't imagine between nineteen seventy and nineteen eighty how 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.839 much acid was dropped listening to the album Songs of 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.880 the Humpback Whale. Man, it was like made for it. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.400 So maybe I think this has got to be fair. 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.560 Use we can just play a short snippet just so 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:45.959 people can can hear a piece. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.280 Yeah, okay, sure, let's give it a shot. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.360 All right, here we go, everybody with Songs of the 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.240 hump Back Whale on s y sk. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.320 Here is part of the same song played at its 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.720 natural speed and pitch, just the way other whales hear it. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.480 All the sounds are made by one whale, both the 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.720 high squeaky tones and the low rumbling ones. 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:37.080 Wow. What an album, right, Yeah? 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:41.320 I mean it's the only multi platinum album of animal Sounds, 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.079 which is completely believable. 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.160 Yeah, I can't imagine there's too many more. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.560 Yeah, I mean it actually became a huge hit. It's 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.920 the only multi platinum album of animal sounds, which I 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.400 guess now they think about it is completely believable. 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:59.400 Right, But if you just go listen to it's only 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.200 like a half hour so long. I think it's a 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.040 It says songs of the humpback whale. There's so many 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.280 different songs that I'm like, there's got to be different 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.880 species involved. It's just neat. Just go listen. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.760 Yeah, it's super cool. And the whole point of it 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.080 all was is that it raised awareness. People were all 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.400 of a sudden like wait, these like scientists said, I 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.920 think they're communicating here, and they're super smart, like Chuck 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.640 would later say in a podcast, And so save the 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.280 Whales campaign all of a sudden had a kind of 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.120 different rallying cry, which is like, hey, we're you know, 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.360 these aren't just big dumb logs floating around in the ocean. 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.560 These are really super smart animals to be protected. 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:40.800 Right, and so an environmental ease, they became ambassador animals 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.200 for the ocean as a whole. Yeah, this is now 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.240 an animal that you can make people care about, and 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.320 now we have to go get the word out. And 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.680 by saving whales, you're also going to save everything else 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.720 in the whales ecosystem that you're working to preserve. 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.320 That's right. Should we take a break? 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:57.880 Yeah? 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:02.400 I was about to say the same thing, so gen one, two, seven, eight, 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:03.560 not you owe me nine cokes? 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:05.480 Gosh, all right, I'm going to go to the store 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:35.920 and we'll be right back. All right, We're back everybody. Uh, 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.800 after a delay that you don't need to even know about, right. 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:40.480 It's our business. 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:42.000 Yeah? None. 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:42.120 Ye. 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.359 So Save the Whales is kicked off in the seventies, 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.120 and I think you mentioned earlier on It's it's you know, 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.160 sometimes it was in parallel with one another. It wasn't 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.520 like just one group doing this, but everyone got on 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.440 board with that same the same three words because it 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.120 was a very unifying thing. And this is sort of 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:02.600 a loose timeline of how it started. And it kicked 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.960 off in nineteen seventy one when the Animal Welfare Institute 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.280 got together with the Fund for Animals to officially launch 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:13.319 the nineteen seventies version of the Save the Whales campaign, right, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.920 and they started doing things like, you know, going to 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:21.880 teachers conventions, you know, sending out you know, information and 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.400 mailers and placing ads and saying like, hey, maybe we 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.560 should boycott whaling nations that kind of stuff, right. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.080 Yeah, in just a few years they started a pretty 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.520 big boycott. I think in nineteen seventy four they said 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:39.960 no Japanese goods, no Russian goods. Yes, we're even talking 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.880 about vodka. They had to say that a lot. Yeah, 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.240 and I think eighteen other groups signed on, and I 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:49.720 think five million Americans said yes, no Russian goods, no 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:53.600 Japanese goods, Let's save the whales hot damn for real. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.920 They got benefit concerts together. I know, David Bowie in 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.400 nineteen seventy two had a very headlined, very f famous 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.360 save the Whales benefit concert. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:03.880 You know. 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.840 Of course Greenpeace would get on board early on, although 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.360 they would get on board two years after it started 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.480 with their project Ahab, which was a little surprising. 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.080 They're like, no, wait, what about the panda. I thought 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.080 we were all doing the panda. They're like, that's later, 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.760 we'll do the panda next. We're going to save the 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:21.960 whales now. Finally green Peace came around. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.160 Yeah, and you know, a lot of this early stuff 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.000 was very just sort of local routes oriented, Like in 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:32.960 the mid seventies, the Connecticut Cetacean Society just like literally 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.880 went from town to town in Connecticut with save the 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:41.520 Whales events and places like Mendocino, California had the Mendocino 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:45.600 Whale Festival and founded the Mendocino Whale War. So it's like, 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.240 you know, and this is where whaling is taking place, 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.800 mainly in these like sort of little small coastal towns. 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:52.800 So it wasn't like, you know, we're going to go 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.840 to New York City and have this big event like 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:57.280 they were doing it where it was going on. 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.880 Yeah, and there were like different ways ways of doing this. 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:05.040 Some were like we want to go like basically confront 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.840 whaling ships where they're wailing. Other people are like, let's 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.240 just we just need to raise awareness and raise money 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:12.560 and all. 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:12.840 Like. 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.840 It wasn't like this this thing that I'm doing is 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:17.920 the right way to do it. It was like, okay, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.080 you're going to do that. I'll handle this over here 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.600 and all together, we're going to save the whales. Even 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.720 though there wasn't like necessarily a lot of coordination going on. 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:27.680 It was just you know, you kind of look to 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.200 your left and see somebody like trying to save the 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.840 whales with you, and you just kind of give them 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.240 like a finger gun and a wink and be like, 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:35.760 right on. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.480 Yeah, for sure. I mean they're proposed moratoriums and stuff 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.320 like that. And we'll get into the weeds about how 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.000 that actually went down in a little bit. But one 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.200 of the big things that happened in the seventies was 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:50.560 that T shirt. In nineteen seventy seven, there was a 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:55.000 woman named Maris Sidenstecker who had been selling these shirts 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.160 for like three years, like really successfully since I think 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.280 nineteen seventy four, and she was sixteen years old old 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.920 and seventy seven founded because of the success of these 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:08.080 T shirts, founded her own conservation group called Save the Whales. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.280 Yeah, she had a small ad and Rolling Stone, just 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.359 this recurring ad and that's how she got the word 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.359 out about the T shirts. And then one other thing 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.600 I saw about her. She was named Maris Sidenstecker the 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:23.159 second because her mother was Maris Side and Stucker. The first. No, 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.160 that's unusual but pretty cool. Huh. 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:26.479 Yeah, usually that would be junior. 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.160 Well, you just don't usually see that with women. It's 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:30.840 mostly men. 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.360 You know, Well, it's because men are the only people 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.639 who think their name means something. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.679 Well, sure, the and Stecker women stuck their thumb in 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.600 the eye of the patriarchy, is what they did. 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.320 Oh, you put it on this building or on my 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:43.000 parking spot. 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.720 So let's talk about some of the tactics they took. 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.960 Like I said, you'd look to your left, look to 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.560 your right. All these people are taking these different approaches 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.960 to it. It's all about saving the whales. One of 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.639 the easiest ones is to just kind of go to 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.760 the kids, because, as we'll see, if you can go 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:04.520 to the younger generation, that's like the long game that 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.240 you're playing, But it's also the one that's more likely 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.520 to pay off. If you teach little kids that whales 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.120 are smart, that they live in families, that they care 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.640 about their babies just like your mom cares about you, 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.520 those kids are going to grow up to see whales 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.600 is not something that you kill for blubber or meat, 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.320 but something that you need to protect from people who 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.240 want to kill them for their blubber or meat. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.640 Yeah, for sure, So that was you know, that's kind 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.600 of the starting point. I think is just educating the children. 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.439 The children's we already talked about obviously, you know, public 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:40.280 events like concerts and protests and boycotts. The merchandising, like 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.679 the T shirt, Like that's not just like hey, let 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.399 me make the shirt, like bumper stickers and shirts and 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.080 buttons are a big part of any kind of movement 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:48.359 like that. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.920 Yeah, one thing you mentioned, that Bowie concert. I saw 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.480 somebody was writing about it and they said like this 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.919 was the concert that made David Bowie like a superstar, 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.000 like he was on the rise, and that that concert 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:02.320 was where he turned the corner. 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:04.360 Hmm, what year was it? 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:08.600 Seventy two? Okay, it was supposedly a pretty good concert. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.920 He had lou Reid on stage and they played Sweet 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:15.040 Jane and like two other songs I've never heard of. Yeah, 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:16.880 it seemed like it probably was pretty cool. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.120 I wish I could have been there. That's a big 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:21.280 regret for me as Bowie. 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.320 He's on the short list of dudes I never got 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:25.800 to see and had a chance to, you. 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:27.879 Know, he's on the time Machine list. 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.439 Uh Yeah, like a really regrettable one because he was 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.439 around him playing shows that you know, I never was, like, no, 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.600 I'm not going to go to that, Like, but it 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.240 wasn't like, you know, Queen stopped playing shows. That's another 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.080 one on my list. But they could stop playing shows 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.679 in Atlanta when I was I don't even think they 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.200 played there after. I was like seeing concerts, so you know. 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.280 I see, I see. So that's not as regrettable as Bowie. 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.159 Yeah, because I had the chance to see Bowie and 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:53.480 did not take it. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:54.600 I understand. 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.639 That's like he's never going to leave us, is what 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:58.320 I thought, right. 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.359 Bowie will never die rules, Bowie lives. 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:02.399 Yeah, very sad. 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.479 So one of the tactics that actually kind of emerge 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.320 from this greenpiece is like, we need to catch up. 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:09.879 We got to come up with our own kind of 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:13.000 brand of doing this, and they came up with a 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.280 term for it. They called it the mind bomb, which 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.359 is basically like, now, yeah, it is very corny and 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.359 nowadays you're like, well, yeah, that's of course you're gonna 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:25.080 do something like that if you're you're an activist campaigning, 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:28.080 you know, to say, save an animal. The mind bob 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:33.960 was basically like showing people unfiltered photographs of what is 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.920 actually going on. Yeah, and that's what they did They 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:41.159 released a lot of photographs to the press internationally of 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:45.200 whaling in action so that people could see how brutal 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:48.000 it was. They made it no longer just a concept 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.800