WEBVTT - #881 Packers Unscripted: New year, new digs

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Mike Spaffer, joined as always by my trusted

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<v Speaker 1>colleague Wes Hodkowitz, and we are coming to you here

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<v Speaker 1>from our brand new podcast studio inside the halls of

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<v Speaker 1>lambeau Field, Weston. This is quite the setup, my.

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<v Speaker 2>Friend, This is quite the setup. I mean, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to give a lot of credit to everybody in our

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<v Speaker 2>broadcasts and game pres department, Craig Schilber, his team. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>when we walked in here last week, we saw the

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<v Speaker 2>renderings and how all this stuff was going to potentially look.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I mean I said this to you several

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<v Speaker 2>times already. But when you think back to our first

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<v Speaker 2>episode in twenty sixteen, we're pulling parts around, We're pulling

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<v Speaker 2>tables from different areas to get a you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>desk together. Matt Arvin, Craig, They're over at like the

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<v Speaker 2>restore picking up stuff to like build a set with.

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<v Speaker 2>And now you look at this and technology progress, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, I mean ten years ago was heres ago

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<v Speaker 1>the first show Man twenty sixteen, and here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say this, I know a lot of our

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<v Speaker 1>audience is a podcast listening audience, So I will just

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<v Speaker 1>say you may want to just for a few minutes

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<v Speaker 1>check out the video version of this particular episode in

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<v Speaker 1>the new studio so you can kind of see what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about here. We appreciate the audience wherever they're from,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they're watching on the video listening to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, this is pretty cool and we've got we

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<v Speaker 1>have a ton of stuff to talk about because we've

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<v Speaker 1>been off for too long quite frankly, but we were

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for this studio to get built and we've been

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<v Speaker 1>excited to get rolling here. But we need to spend

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<v Speaker 1>some time recapping what has gone on during the off

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<v Speaker 1>season here for the Green Bay Packers, and there's been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. The big three all got new contracts, the

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<v Speaker 1>big three being Brian Gutakuntz, Matt Lafleur, Russ Ball, the

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<v Speaker 1>top three guys at the top of the Packers football

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<v Speaker 1>operation were all extended by new president and CEO ed Policy.

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<v Speaker 1>We have new coaches in the building, two new coordinators,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Gannon on defense, Cam Acord on special teams, a

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<v Speaker 1>handful of new position coaches coming into the building, and

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<v Speaker 1>then several players coming and going as far as free

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<v Speaker 1>agency acquisitions, departures and all that. It has been a

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<v Speaker 1>busy few months around here as far as how the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six Packers are going to take shape. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just sort of recapped the three big categories. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>let you start with, though, where you think we need

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<v Speaker 1>to begin here?

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<v Speaker 2>I will, well, first and foremost, let's start with the

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<v Speaker 2>stability piece, right, because that is ultimately what this all

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<v Speaker 2>thing comes down to. The Packers had to make a

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<v Speaker 2>decision ed policy now almost one year into his role

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<v Speaker 2>now as the president CEO of the Green Bay Packers.

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<v Speaker 2>He mentioned the first sit down we had with him

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<v Speaker 2>last summer. You know, we all knew there was this

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<v Speaker 2>contracts coming onto the horizon for Brian, for Matt, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>russ Ball in the executive vice president role in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the contract stuff, and Ed wanted to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of get through that first year and then figure out

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<v Speaker 2>the plan. And we talked with him a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>that in Arizona at the NFL annual meetings, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he knew going into even before the season ended,

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted to extend Matt. He wanted to extend Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted to keep his lieutenants in place here. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you think about stability, I feel like that is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of been sort of the hallmark of the Green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay Packers over the last twenty five years since Ted

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<v Speaker 2>Thompson took this thing over and rebuilt the Packers draft

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<v Speaker 2>and developed win a Super Bowl, Brian obviously learning underneath him,

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<v Speaker 2>learning underneath Ron Wolf. They identified their head coach in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen and Matt Lafleur. And Yes, as difficult as

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<v Speaker 2>it was, how last season ended five straight losses, a

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<v Speaker 2>really heartbreaking loss against the Chicago Bears, the goal for

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<v Speaker 2>Ed was to take the emotion out of it, to

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<v Speaker 2>look at the totality of what those three men have

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<v Speaker 2>accomplished together. And the fact of the matter remains Matt Lafleur.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven years as the head coach, the agreement Packers have

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<v Speaker 2>advanced the playoffs six times the three years in a row,

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<v Speaker 2>the youngest team in the National Football League this year,

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<v Speaker 2>by all accounts, that won't end up working out that way.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be able to taking that next step,

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<v Speaker 2>and those three guys are in place to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think the other thing that I heard

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<v Speaker 1>loud and clear from ed policy is that this decision

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<v Speaker 1>to extend to go with the stability. As you said

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<v Speaker 1>with regard to the organization, stability should not be confused

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<v Speaker 1>with satisfaction. There is not any element of satisfaction with

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<v Speaker 1>how the last couple of seasons in particular have gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Where at the end of the seasons the last two years,

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers have not been playing their best football. Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in Matt Lafleur's tenure saw we saw the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>playing better in December and January than they were earlier

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<v Speaker 1>in the year. The last couple of years down the stretch,

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<v Speaker 1>for any number of reasons, that hasn't been the case,

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<v Speaker 1>and they wound up with the seven seed not being

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<v Speaker 1>able to win a first round game and the one

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<v Speaker 1>and done in the playoffs. It doesn't sit well with anybody,

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, I think I think that message needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be sent as well. But as you said, the

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<v Speaker 1>totality the accomplishments, the foundation that's been built here, the

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<v Speaker 1>overall youth of the roster that is still in place,

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<v Speaker 1>and the direction things are heading. It was not time

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<v Speaker 1>to just blow everything up and start over. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things pointing in the right direction here

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<v Speaker 1>and now ed policy has put his faith in Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Gudukunst and Matt Fluir to take that next step.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're talking about one of the best talent evaluators

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<v Speaker 2>in the National footb leagu You're talking about on the

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<v Speaker 2>best offensive mines and head coaches in the National Football League.

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<v Speaker 2>And if either Matt Lafleur or Brian Goudiguins came unattached

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<v Speaker 2>to the Green Bay Packers, they were going to have

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<v Speaker 2>a job within forty eight hours if they wanted to,

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt. And that isn't how this thing always works, right,

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<v Speaker 2>God bless Mike McCarthy loved the dude. He had to

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<v Speaker 2>sit out twice of a full season before getting that

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<v Speaker 2>next opportunity. The Packers have something good going here. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you think about Ed and also you know he's

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<v Speaker 2>got a long run here too, Right, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of his tenure running this whole entire organization. To

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<v Speaker 2>upset the apple cart now, I think would have been

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<v Speaker 2>unwise in my personal opinion. And now the Packers with

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<v Speaker 2>what they have in place. You heard all the guys

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it this offseason. Ed mentioned the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>people that came up to him from the locker room

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to about Matt Lafleur. There's I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>a good energy in this building right now. Now they

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<v Speaker 2>understand the expectations. As you said, complacency can't be a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But that being said, with the moves they've made and

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<v Speaker 2>how deep this roster already is a day before the

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<v Speaker 2>NFL Draft, in which time we're taping this, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that tells you that this team is ready to compete,

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<v Speaker 2>and why would you want to take away the guys

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<v Speaker 2>that have helped kind of oversee that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, other changes that have gone on here in

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<v Speaker 1>the last few months. I don't want to gloss over this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I will say we're going to talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>more in depth, I think on a future show, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about the changes with the coaching staff, with

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Gannon coming in as the new defensive coordinator, with

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Haffley getting the head coaching job in Miami. Congratulations

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<v Speaker 1>to coach Hafley, by the way, tremendous and wish him

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<v Speaker 1>the best of luck in all but one game in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six, when the Dolphins come to Lambo and

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<v Speaker 1>cam Acord taking over as special teams coordinator after the

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<v Speaker 1>surprising and somewhat sudden departure of Rich Basacia, which Matt Lafleur,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Gutcunz, they admitted they didn't really see that coming,

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<v Speaker 1>but they reacted to what was in front of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and cam Acord is now in place. We're expecting to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to talk to both of those new coordinators

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the new assistant coaches during OTA's later

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<v Speaker 1>this spring, and so I want to kind of push

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<v Speaker 1>that discussion until later when it comes to this roster

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<v Speaker 1>that you were just talking about a lot of change

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of in terms of players coming and going

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<v Speaker 1>of all of those, and we'll try to touch on

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<v Speaker 1>all of them in one fashion or another, but what

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<v Speaker 1>would you say is sort of the biggest headline in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of what's changed with this Packers roster?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when you were we were doing the intro and

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<v Speaker 2>you were talking about, like what I think, I think

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<v Speaker 2>the most salient thing when you talk about the construction

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<v Speaker 2>of the team is obviously who the lieutenants are, who

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<v Speaker 2>the guys running this whole show, right, But in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of my idea of what this offseason headline was and

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<v Speaker 2>this theme was, was surprise and you touched on a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit with rich and him obviously moving on and

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<v Speaker 2>now at Clemson. But there were so many moves that

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Goodikunz made this offseason that legitimately surprised me. I

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<v Speaker 2>never saw a trade for Zire Franklin coming in them

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<v Speaker 2>sending Colby Wooden to Indianapolis a player for player trade.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me the last time that's even happened in Green Bay?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Anthony Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to get that's the name Anthony Smith

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<v Speaker 1>from back in twenty ten orven whatever year that was. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the last.

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<v Speaker 2>Time they've done a couple of very small ones like

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<v Speaker 2>in the offseason, but not for like a starting nose tackle,

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<v Speaker 2>starting defensive tackle for an all Pro linebacker. And that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of set the tone for how this whole offseason

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<v Speaker 2>sort of went. There were things that we expect, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you and I when you look at how many

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<v Speaker 2>guys departed from this roster und restricted free agency, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we kind of expected that this is how that

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<v Speaker 2>thing was going to go. Romeo Dobbs, Rashid Walker, all

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<v Speaker 2>these guys supupremuly talented, Kingsley, j j a Ning, Bari

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<v Speaker 2>Kay Walker. Yeah, but the fact was is that there

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<v Speaker 2>were questions there about whether any of those guys back

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<v Speaker 2>based on the depth of how those positions already sort

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<v Speaker 2>of lined up and who the next guy up was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be, and the packers also understanding what's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be coming around the bend here in twenty twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>Tucker Kraft, Christian Watson, Jaden Reid some big contracts that

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to have to address here down the line.

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<v Speaker 2>So all that being said, the moves that Brian Gudikuntz

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<v Speaker 2>made without having a first round pick, without having that

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<v Speaker 2>type of flexibility to move around with that piece, that

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<v Speaker 2>was probably what surprised me the most. We saw the

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<v Speaker 2>most trades, we saw some really intriguing signings, a sky More,

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<v Speaker 2>a Javon Hargrove, a Hardgrave excuse me, where you know,

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<v Speaker 2>being in dipping back into that free agent kind of

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<v Speaker 2>crop was something that I think we expected, but just

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<v Speaker 2>the guys that they brought in were probably the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of surprised me a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we're going to talk a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>draft preview stuff here in a bit, So this h

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<v Speaker 1>this functions is a pretty good segue because when I

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<v Speaker 1>look at what happened with regard to the roster, the

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<v Speaker 1>comings and goings of the players. As you said, we

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<v Speaker 1>expected kway Walker, Rashid Walker, Romeo Dobbs, Malik Willis, We

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<v Speaker 1>expected those guys to move on. They weren't. Really the

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<v Speaker 1>thought was that they weren't going to be coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>And so within that context, it was sort of like, Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like you're gonna need, you know, an inside linebacker,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna need a defensive tackle, You're gonna want to

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<v Speaker 1>boost the cornerback room, you're going to want to address

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<v Speaker 1>special teams. And what did Brian Gudakums do in the offseason?

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<v Speaker 1>He made He made the move for Franklin at linebacker.

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<v Speaker 1>He signed Hardgrave, he signed Sky Moore, he signed Benjamin

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Jus at cornerback. Now that doesn't mean those he's

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<v Speaker 1>all done with those positions, but the moves that he made,

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<v Speaker 1>he set himself up to not be forced into anything

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<v Speaker 1>in the draft.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>He covered, he covered his bases. And this is a

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<v Speaker 1>strategy that we've seen from Gutakunts over the years, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a It's really served the Packers well because, as

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<v Speaker 1>I said, and Gutakunz said on Tuesday when he addressed

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<v Speaker 1>the media for roughly a half an hour, he came

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<v Speaker 1>right out and said, we're gonna add numbers at cornerback.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he basically advertised the fact that Packers are going

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<v Speaker 1>to draft a cornerback, if not multiple cornerbacks with their

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<v Speaker 1>eight picks coming up here this weekend. But what he

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<v Speaker 1>did is by you know, say, looking at that position,

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<v Speaker 1>in particular, by signing a guy like Saint Juice to

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<v Speaker 1>come in when Nate Hobbs is not returning. He was

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<v Speaker 1>he was released. Gutukunst isn't going to feel forced to like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to use that second round pick. My first

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be used on a cornerback er, it needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be used on a defensive tackle. No, because he

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<v Speaker 1>went out and got Javon Hargrave, a guy whose best

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<v Speaker 1>years over his eleven years in the NFL, his best

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<v Speaker 1>years have been with Jonathan Gannon as his defensive coordinator

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<v Speaker 1>in Philadelphia. So the GM was covering his bases and

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<v Speaker 1>setting himself up this weekend without the first round pick,

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<v Speaker 1>but with eight picks going in on Friday and Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>to let the board come to him. He doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to force anything. He doesn't have to feel desperate in

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<v Speaker 1>any particular spot to go and fill a hole. He's

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<v Speaker 1>going to build and add to the depth of this

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<v Speaker 1>team at those positions, but it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>with his hand forced. And that's what he spent that

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<v Speaker 1>from March through April doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And you go back to even like twenty nineteen, right

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<v Speaker 2>when he started this whole thing in Green Bay, what

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<v Speaker 2>did he do? He signed the Smith Bros. And then

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<v Speaker 2>one month later drafted Rashaan Garrett, right, So it was

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<v Speaker 2>like the over seating sometimes of that position I think

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<v Speaker 2>has really served the Packers. Well, maybe this is a

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<v Speaker 2>year where they look at that at cornerback. But one

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<v Speaker 2>thing I really liked about the Saint Juwice signing in

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<v Speaker 2>particular was last year, you know, they paid a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>penny for Nate Hobbs. It didn't work out. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>Hobbs in the locker room, great dude, he was. He

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<v Speaker 2>was great to deal with. But whether it be the injury,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it be not really a great fit on the perimeter,

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<v Speaker 2>his opportunity never really worked out. What's cool about Saint

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<v Speaker 2>just is you're not paying that type of premium contract

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<v Speaker 2>this time, the guy is coming off a career year

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<v Speaker 2>in a rotational sub package roll with the LA Chargers,

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<v Speaker 2>and now we'll be able to compete with a Carrington Valentine.

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<v Speaker 2>Or if they do take a cornerback in the second round,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that guy comes in and pushes for that. The

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<v Speaker 2>big message that Brian, he spoke for almost a half

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<v Speaker 2>an hour on Tuesday, and his big message was he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to create competition at as many of these spots

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<v Speaker 2>as possible. That's where there are right now. And then

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<v Speaker 2>what's the benefit of that, what's the byproduct of that?

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<v Speaker 2>Look at the trade he made a week and a

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<v Speaker 2>half ago here now with the Dantavian Wicks. Dantavian Wicks

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<v Speaker 2>was a fifth round pick, really nice player, good fine

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<v Speaker 2>for green Bay. But as he said, he wasn't sure

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<v Speaker 2>what his long term forecast was going to be. You

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<v Speaker 2>have other issues and other positions they have to address

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<v Speaker 2>here in free agency next year. Was Wix going to

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<v Speaker 2>be back? And if he doesn't come back, okay, well

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<v Speaker 2>then you get a compensatory pick. But what if the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers are active in free agency and that cancels out

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<v Speaker 2>the compensatory pick. So he moves him along to Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 2>They get an extra fifth, so now they're up to

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<v Speaker 2>six picks on Day three and then also a six

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<v Speaker 2>rounder next year. That's the push like kind of pushing

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<v Speaker 2>it forward that you want to do when you're able

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<v Speaker 2>to take one pick, make it too. And I just

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<v Speaker 2>feel like the long term view and these are the

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<v Speaker 2>type of moves you can make when you know all

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<v Speaker 2>your pieces are in place. From an administrative standpoint, and

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<v Speaker 2>now the Packers can see how this thing, survey this landscape,

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<v Speaker 2>see where the positions are deep, see what things sit

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<v Speaker 2>at number fifty two on Thursday on Friday night, and

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<v Speaker 2>try to make the best decision possible for this franchise

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<v Speaker 2>moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's about protecting and maximizing your assets at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time. Right, So I do want to talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more about the draft. There's plenty to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>in that realm, but we'll take a quick break and

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty four to seven, three sixty five. Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>Packers Unscripted. All right, Wes. This is gonna be a different,

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<v Speaker 1>a really different draft for the Green Bay Packers, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>compared to last year, for a couple reasons. One, the

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<v Speaker 1>draft isn't right outside the parking lot. That helped. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's in Pittsburgh, a little less chaos around around

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<v Speaker 1>the building. Although that was absolutely a blast to have

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<v Speaker 1>the draft here in Green Bay, and I hope it

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<v Speaker 1>happens again sometime. Ed Policy has even mentioned the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna throw their hat in the ring again to

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<v Speaker 1>host the draft here somewhere down the road.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that'd be pretty You're gonna have to if it,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on when it happens. If you're already off in

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<v Speaker 2>the island somewhere, you're gonna have to come back and

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<v Speaker 2>chip in on that one, just experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'll maybe I'll get to walk up on the

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<v Speaker 1>stage and annou yeah, there you go round or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, like GROSSI last year. Exactly. I'll take Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Grassi spot. I'm sorry, Tom, I'm already there. But no

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<v Speaker 1>so looking at this year eight picks right now, because

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<v Speaker 1>the other big difference of courses, the Packers do not

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<v Speaker 1>have a first round pick. This year's first rounder next

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<v Speaker 1>year's first rounder included in the Micah Parsons trade last August,

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<v Speaker 1>so eight picks going in, one in each round from

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<v Speaker 1>two through six, and then two picks in round seven,

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<v Speaker 1>with the extra one being a compensatory selection. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the third to last pick in the entire draft.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also but I think the other number aside

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<v Speaker 1>from eight picks in this draft to think about going

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<v Speaker 1>into this is that and Brian Goodekunz mentioned it a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times in speaking with the media on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Packers are looking at having eleven, possibly more eleven plus

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<v Speaker 1>picks in next year's draft because of a the compensatory

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<v Speaker 1>picks they're expecting to get for the departures of kway

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<v Speaker 1>Walker and Malik will and Romeo Dobbs, et cetera. But

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<v Speaker 1>also the Rashaan Gary trade netted an extra fourth round

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<v Speaker 1>pick for next year, and as you had just discussed previously,

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<v Speaker 1>the Dantavian Wicks trade, which added a I'm sorry I

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<v Speaker 1>got the picks wrong because I said one pick two

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<v Speaker 1>through six. There's an extra pick in the fifth round

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<v Speaker 1>for Dantavian Wicks. So there's two picks in the fifth

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<v Speaker 1>and two picks in the seventh Sorry about that, correct

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<v Speaker 1>myself there, But there is also an extra sixth round

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<v Speaker 1>pick next year from the Dantavian Wicks trade, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>all of those picks. I thought it was interesting, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess because I wasn't sure if he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>tip his hand necessarily, but I thought I thought Guda

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<v Speaker 1>Kunst was was sort of in a very relaxed sense,

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<v Speaker 1>was making it pretty clear that he's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be averse to trading one of those picks next year

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<v Speaker 1>if he if there's an opportunity to maybe move up

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<v Speaker 1>this year for a guy that he likes. Now, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not thinking that the Packers would necessarily have the draft

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<v Speaker 1>capital or want to spend any of that draft capital

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<v Speaker 1>next year to move up into the first round this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard it would be very, very difficult. But if you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about moving up in the second round, say from

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two where they sit right now, up to forty

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<v Speaker 1>five or forty three or something like that, or moving

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<v Speaker 1>up in the third round from eighty four, say up

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<v Speaker 1>to seventy five or seventy something like that, those types

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<v Speaker 1>of moves up. While I still think it's maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>little unlikely, It's just my gut is that it's unlikely.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't rule it out because of that draft capital

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<v Speaker 1>that he has next year. If he's willing to spend.

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<v Speaker 2>It, well, okay, and you always have to read the

0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:45.080
<v Speaker 2>tea leaves, right, you gotta see the whole bandwidth of

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<v Speaker 2>how things go and the moves that Brian Goodigains makes.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like there was a turning point back during

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<v Speaker 2>training camp, at the end of training camp when he

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<v Speaker 2>traded a future six round pick to Philadelphia to get

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<v Speaker 2>Darren Kinnard here. We never seen anything quite like that

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<v Speaker 2>that he traded a twenty twenty six pick. He traded

0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.040
<v Speaker 2>a twenty twenty seventh pick. Now, as it turns out,

0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.720
<v Speaker 2>they know flopping around some six rounders anyway now because

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<v Speaker 2>of this Wicks trade. But that was the long term

0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.199
<v Speaker 2>view that Gooda Kunts was taking. So I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>what this offseason, if anything, has proven, is that he

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<v Speaker 2>is going to He's always talked about, you know, turning

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<v Speaker 2>over every stone, looking at every possibility and picking up

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<v Speaker 2>and making every phone call. And Brian's done that the

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<v Speaker 2>rashan thing, to be honest with you, That did surprise

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<v Speaker 2>me a little bit. With the fourth round pick, not

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<v Speaker 2>because of Rashan, but because Rashaan comes with a contract,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there was already a deal that Green Bay had

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<v Speaker 2>done several years ago. The Cowboys, i think, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>redid it a little bit, but they're absorbing something. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not just like this. The Kenny Clark thing was a

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<v Speaker 2>really easy deal for the Cowboys to do last year

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<v Speaker 2>because he just had that base salary. The Packers were

0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.239
<v Speaker 2>paying out the signing bonus all the other stuff. So

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to get a fourth next year, that

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<v Speaker 2>that gives you some equity, regardless of whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>you want to move that or you want to use

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<v Speaker 2>it in the back of your head like that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>a real pick. When you get to the beyond the

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<v Speaker 2>fifth round, then you start looking at the draft value chart,

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<v Speaker 2>everything kind of starts losing a lot of its power.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm very curious to see how this plays out.

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<v Speaker 2>And honestly, I'm very excited as much as you want

0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:10.800
<v Speaker 2>to have a first round pick, as much as you

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:12.480
<v Speaker 2>and I want to be covering a you know, a

0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.800
<v Speaker 2>top blue chipper on that first night, somebody that probably

0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:17.200
<v Speaker 2>is the best player on their team or maybe even

0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.679
<v Speaker 2>the best player in their conference. To be able to

0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:21.280
<v Speaker 2>look at the second round and focus in on a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more has been kind of a fun exercise

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<v Speaker 2>because if you look back on it, Green Bay has

0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:26.720
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of success there, Ted Thompson did, and

0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.639
<v Speaker 2>Brian Goodikuntz has been on a real heater in that

0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.280
<v Speaker 2>round too now, so especially when you factor in the

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<v Speaker 2>Day three or the third round pick later in Day

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<v Speaker 2>two with Tucker Kraft a couple of years ago. So

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<v Speaker 2>that aspect of it is really intriguing to me. The

0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.880
<v Speaker 2>spotlight is shining bright on them. And then you think

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<v Speaker 2>about fifty two, Well, you go back to twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they got DeVante. Yeah, DeVante Adams is fifty three.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that year right around there. So opportunity of plenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I will you mentioned it's been an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>exercise to kind of study more of the Day two

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<v Speaker 1>picks us the first round picks, just for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>trying for ourselves, just to get an idea of who's

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<v Speaker 1>out there and who might fit the packers and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll throw in a plug for some of our

0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.960
<v Speaker 1>content for the last several weeks on the website, we've

0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.240
<v Speaker 1>been doing a prospect primer. It's a series that we

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<v Speaker 1>do every year trying to look at, you know, players

0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.880
<v Speaker 1>at different positions that might fit where the Packers are picking. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>This year, that study of those of those potential of

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<v Speaker 1>those possibilities was focused on Day two players, Round two,

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<v Speaker 1>Round three guys projected to go on the second day

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<v Speaker 1>of the draft as opposed to the first day of

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<v Speaker 1>the draft. So series of videos out there on packers

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com, a few guys at all the different positions

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<v Speaker 1>if you just want to get a taste of maybe

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<v Speaker 1>some possibilities of guys that the Packers might be looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>That being said, so I want to throw this I'll

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<v Speaker 1>throw this question at you because I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>one that we that we kind of toss around every

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<v Speaker 1>year right before the draft. Packers are going into this

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<v Speaker 1>draft with eight picks, and since I batched it before,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll run it through one in rounds two, three and

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<v Speaker 1>four each two in round five, one in round six, two,

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<v Speaker 1>in round seven, eight picks going in. So, how many

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<v Speaker 1>picks do you think the Packers will come out of

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<v Speaker 1>this draft?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go ten. Oh, I think there's gonna be

0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:19.360
<v Speaker 2>some flexibility. And that's not to say they can't move

0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:21.080
<v Speaker 2>up at a time too. There's a couple of players

0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:23.480
<v Speaker 2>in the second round that if Brian Gudikuns want to

0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:25.960
<v Speaker 2>throw some assets to go get them, I would be

0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.760
<v Speaker 2>very pleased. But I just look at that sixth round

0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.359
<v Speaker 2>in particular. I just feel like there's gonna be an

0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.639
<v Speaker 2>opportunity there, whether it's them moving back maybe with one

0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:37.000
<v Speaker 2>of the fifth rounders, or maybe them trading some future

0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:40.000
<v Speaker 2>capital to get back in there. I just wonder, after

0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:42.080
<v Speaker 2>sitting on the bench on Thursday, which is what I

0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.960
<v Speaker 2>would anticipate Green Bay does, because you're gonna you'd have

0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:46.520
<v Speaker 2>to move a player. I think at this point to

0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:48.800
<v Speaker 2>be they're not gonna trade in the twenty eight first rounder.

0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:52.840
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like that sixth round is where I

0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:55.920
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say Gudiacuns could get antsy, but maybe

0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:57.600
<v Speaker 2>there starts to be some of those guys that have

0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.879
<v Speaker 2>equal value. You look at them from rounds five to seven,

0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:03.560
<v Speaker 2>and maybe somebody's still on the board there that you

0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:05.840
<v Speaker 2>want to try to take a double dip on. But

0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:07.879
<v Speaker 2>I think ten I feel like this is a year,

0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:11.240
<v Speaker 2>especially the way that he talked, you never know how

0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 2>next year could happen. You never know if there might

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:14.719
<v Speaker 2>be another pick they could end up picking up through

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.560
<v Speaker 2>a trade, But right now, I think ten feels to

0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:20.359
<v Speaker 2>me like I would love fewer because it makes it

0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 2>for less stories and we all get home quicker.

0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:24.480
<v Speaker 1>But fewer picks less work for us. But that's just

0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:25.640
<v Speaker 1>selfish on our part.

0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's that doesn't help the football team. It just

0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:30.080
<v Speaker 2>helps me get to better earlier on Sunday morning.

0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.000
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with nine.

0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you. I think I think the trade back

0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:41.840
<v Speaker 1>idea scenario is more likely than the trade up. And

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:46.440
<v Speaker 1>even though I just talked about how Guda Kunst was discussing,

0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:50.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, the possibility of trading you know, some of

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:54.120
<v Speaker 1>those or a draft asset next year to move up

0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 1>this year, I just I just wonder if he's going

0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.240
<v Speaker 1>to hang on to that hall of picks he's got

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 1>next year, just in case, just in case he might

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.480
<v Speaker 1>have enough or an idea of being able to get

0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 1>back into the first round next year and not have

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.280
<v Speaker 1>to go two consecutive years without first round pick. Again,

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 1>pure speculation on my part. I have no idea what

0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:17.879
<v Speaker 1>he's thinking, and at this point it's all going to

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 1>depend on how the board looks in certain moments, right,

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:24.480
<v Speaker 1>and how they feel about certain players and whatnot. So

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 1>it's it, it's just conjecture.

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:28.679
<v Speaker 2>The thing that's been in my mind a lot this

0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.080
<v Speaker 2>week has been the twenty thirteen draft. Now, I've always

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.199
<v Speaker 2>made it known, like that's what one of my favorite

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Packers drafts ever, Right, I mean, when you think about

0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:38.840
<v Speaker 2>you get an All Pro, potential Hall of Fame left

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.120
<v Speaker 2>tackle on the fourth round, that's a great story, right, Yeah,

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:42.960
<v Speaker 2>But what I liked most about that draft is the

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.959
<v Speaker 2>Packers drafted the NFL offensive rookie of the year at

0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:47.960
<v Speaker 2>the end of the second round. People talk about Eddie

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:50.639
<v Speaker 2>Lacy being a second round pick. He was, but like

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Randall Cobb, it came in the eleventh hour.

0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 1>And if I remember right, Ted kept trading back. He

0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't in the second round because everybody was like, take

0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Eddie Lacey to Eddy Lacy, and Ted traded back a

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 1>couple of times, and then Eddie Lacy was still there

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and available for him when he wanted him, and then

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 1>he had other draft assets for the rest of the weekend.

0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 2>And then what else happened? They ended up not in

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:13.920
<v Speaker 2>the third round. They ended up with a bunch of

0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:17.400
<v Speaker 2>fourth rounders. You took j C. Tretder, you took David Baktiari.

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 2>The fifth round netted you Micah Hyde. We're talking about

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:23.160
<v Speaker 2>all pro players. We're talking about perennial starters. We're talking

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 2>about franchise builders. That's the type of thing I'm looking

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 2>for in this draft. I don't know how many guys

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Green Bay needs to end up with on Monday morning

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:31.679
<v Speaker 2>that are going to be like, Okay, well they're going

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 2>to be starting this season, but it would be nice.

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I think one of the things that kind of hurt

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.119
<v Speaker 2>green Bay last year when you talked about the barrage

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:41.720
<v Speaker 2>of injuries that they dealt with, was how many times

0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 2>it ended up having to be an undrafted guy or

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 2>maybe a guy that just got here, like a Josh

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Wiley that ended up having to play after Tuckercraft's injury.

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:51.920
<v Speaker 2>If you can have a couple of those guys in

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 2>the pipeline so that late in the season, a dude

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.600
<v Speaker 2>that has some real makeup, knows your offense, knows your defense,

0:25:57.640 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 2>and then gets put into that role. That's where you

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:01.960
<v Speaker 2>see Aaron Jones has come from, right, That's where you

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 2>see the Mica Hydes ultimately step up, and I think

0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:06.399
<v Speaker 2>this would be a really good draft if the Packers

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 2>could get two or three of those guys specifically on

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Day three, Brian goodekunsk in the long runs can be

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:12.520
<v Speaker 2>really happy.

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Well. The other thing we've certainly seen a strategy that

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Goodakuns does not shy away from is doubling up at positions.

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:23.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, sort of hedging your bets because you know

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 1>that not every draft pick is going to pan out,

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and so just because you draft a guy at a

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:30.679
<v Speaker 1>certain position doesn't mean you're done there, you know, for

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:35.360
<v Speaker 1>the weekend. So is there a position or positions that

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:39.440
<v Speaker 1>you think would be if Goodakuns is going to double

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 1>up in a spot that you think would be most likely.

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I think the most likely is obviously cornerback. And the

0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:48.200
<v Speaker 2>reason I would say that is not just because we've

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:49.880
<v Speaker 2>talked about it. You have to look at the long

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:53.119
<v Speaker 2>term view here. Saint Juice is the only cornerback on

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.119
<v Speaker 2>this roster that has a contract right now for twenty

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:58.879
<v Speaker 2>twenty seven, and they got really lucky with what Keishawn

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Nixon has given him. I'm no so when you look

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 2>at a guy that came in got non tendered, did

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 2>not get a restricted contract offer from Oakland slash Las Vegas.

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 2>He comes in here as a flyer and dime cornerback,

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>becomes your nickel cornerback and your kickoff returner, all pro

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 2>kickoff returner. Then suddenly a couple of years later as

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 2>you'r CB one. That's remarkable return on investment, one of

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 2>the best street free agent signings green Bay's ever had,

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 2>especially in the modern era. But him and Carrington Valentine,

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 2>a seventh rounder three years ago, they weren't the Jyr

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Alexander types, the Quinton Rollins types, the guys that you

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 2>drafted you'd like, Okay, well, these are the guys we're

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna have starting for us in a few years. It

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't work out that way. So I feel like green

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Bay needs to kind of replenish the coffers a little bit.

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 2>As I've written routinely in our Insider Inbox column, we

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 2>are now going on five years since the last time

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:55.159
<v Speaker 2>the Packers drafted a cornerback, a perimeter quarterback at that

0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 2>outside of the seventh round. We're talking not even about

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>day two. We're talking about that. And when you think

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 2>about what happened with receiver. Where there's a couple of

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 2>years during the DeVante Adams peak of his powers, the

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Packers weren't drafting receivers. They eventually need to go get

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Christian Watson, They needed to get Romeo Dobbs in twenty

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty two. I feel like that's where we're at right

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 2>now with cornerback.

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm with you there entirely with regard to the

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 1>cornerback position. And as we talked about before, I mean,

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>god to constant mince words. I mean, he said we're

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna add numbers at corner. He wants to. I think

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 1>he wants to build a deeper position that where guys

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 1>are really gonna duke it out during training camp in

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the preseason in terms of in terms of just where

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>the depth chart is going to fall. You know, who's

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the number two, number three, number four, Like, you know,

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>how is this all going to fit in in Jonathan

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Gannon's defense. The other the other one, I would say,

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I feel just because he's done it so many times

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 1>in the past. As far as far as a potential

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 1>double up would be offensive line now, he did say

0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday he feels pretty good about the depth of

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 1>the offensive line. I thought it was interesting that he

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>specifically mentioned he really liked what he saw of Jacob

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Monk center for the entire game the Week eighteen game

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>against Minnesota, when the Packers were resting their starters for

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>the playoffs, lots of guys got big opportunities. It sounds

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 1>like Jacob Monk really took advantage of his opportunity and

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>made an impression which sort of takes the pressure off,

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 1>where at least takes the attention off in a way

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>from Okay, are the Packers going to go draft a

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 1>center out of here to be the backup to Sean

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Ryan who got a new contract to be the new center,

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 1>since you know, he moved over there when Elton Jenkins

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:41.680
<v Speaker 1>got hurt and played well enough to get himself a

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 1>new contract. So I thought that was that was an

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 1>interesting comment. And he also he mentioned Travis Glover as well,

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 1>who now, like, yeah, you know, he was a six

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 1>round pick a couple of years ago, and he got

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>thrust into things in the playoff game in Philly two

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>januaries ago, and things didn't go all that well, and

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>then he lost his entire twenty twenty five season two

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>a really bad shoulder injury and also a lap muscle

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 1>injury was involved in that.

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 2>And.

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 1>But unprompted, Gouda Kunz mentioned Travis Glover's coming back. I mean,

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>so that's a guy. It's like, it's easy to forget

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:17.720
<v Speaker 1>about guys when they miss an entire season due to

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>injury like he did, right, But that's a guy that

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 1>that this this front office feels like is a key

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>piece to the depth on the offensive line currently as well.

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>And then they brought back Darien Kinnard, who was a

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 1>restricted free agent. They brought back Donovan Jennings, an exclusive

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 1>rights guy. So he feels pretty good about the depth

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 1>on the offensive line. That being said, it still wouldn't

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.520
<v Speaker 1>surprise me out of the eight picks or if he

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>ends up with nine or ten if a couple of

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>those are offensive linemen, just because I mean it truly

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>is if there's if there's any position where you where

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 1>you can never have enough. I mean you not only

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 1>need you know, you not only need five starters, You

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:00.959
<v Speaker 1>have to have at least three more guys that are

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 1>going to be active on every game day, and then

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 1>you want to have a couple of more guys behind

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>them just to you know, to be able to deal

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 1>with any sort of injury run that that might arise,

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>So I could see a potential double up on the

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 1>offensive line.

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, and the fact that Kinnard's even on this roster

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 2>begin with is a testament to that, right. I mean,

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 2>this is not a guy that was on the roster

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 2>all of last seat, all of last offseason, and then

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 2>the Packers bring him in right at the start of

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>the regular season because of some of the injuries, because

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 2>they needed a little bit more depth, they needed a

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 2>swing tackle. So the one other thing I want to say,

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 2>though it won't be a double up position, but eight

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 2>picks as it stands, I would be really surprised if

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 2>you and I are sitting here next Tuesday on our

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 2>next show of Packers Unscripted from our brand new studio,

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.440
<v Speaker 2>if there's not another tight end on this roster. I

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>feel like we've spent so much time in the media

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 2>talking about, Okay, do the Packers need to draft QB two?

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, is what's the do they need another receiver

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 2>after trading down Tavian Wicks. Tight end is the position

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 2>now that I think kind of comes into look because

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 2>two things. One, John Fitzpatrick unfortunately the Achilles injury. That's

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 2>your blocking tight end. He's not on the roster. I

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 2>don't know what his prognosis is for this season. Terrible

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 2>timing for him too with that Ben Simms is they

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>didn't bring it. Now he's in Miami. I feel like,

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 2>not only do you want to get somebody in that room,

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>a young guy in that room with Tucker Craft, I

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 2>think it's really important to be able to find some

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 2>more depth there, find maybe another inline option for you

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 2>so you can get a little bit more creative too.

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.959
<v Speaker 2>With with how you lose the use Luke Musgrave. This

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 2>would be to me an ideal here. It's been three

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 2>years now going into this thing. This would be an

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 2>ideal here to pick up another one.

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you mentioned that. The two positions that I'm really

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 1>going to be thinking about come day three on Saturday

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>of this draft is are are the Packers going to

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<v Speaker 1>add to some add some depth to the tight end

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<v Speaker 1>room and uh and start to look a little more

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<v Speaker 1>towards the future again. Obviously the biggest piece of the

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<v Speaker 1>future right now at tight end is with Tucker Craft

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<v Speaker 1>going into the contract, you're coming off of the ACL

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a candidate for a big time extension. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>so that be watched closely. But what else about the

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<v Speaker 1>future of the tight end position? And then the other

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<v Speaker 1>one you you mentioned it in passing. Are they going

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<v Speaker 1>to draft a quarterback? Are they going to bring in

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<v Speaker 1>a rookie to compete with Desmond Ritter and Kyle McCord

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<v Speaker 1>for who is the next QB two behind Jordan Love

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<v Speaker 1>after you know, the last two years the Packers had

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<v Speaker 1>the best QB two in all of the NFL and

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 1>it served them quite well. So those are things. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're only going into the draft with eight picks,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can't do everything in one draft, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be sitting here next week talking about

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<v Speaker 1>potentially something that didn't happen that we thought maybe would

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<v Speaker 1>because because you know, eight selections is is not the

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<v Speaker 1>hall that Gouda Kuntz has had in the past and

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<v Speaker 1>that he's potentially going to have next year where he

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<v Speaker 1>goes into a draft with double digit picks and then

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like, okay, well they're gonna be able to

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<v Speaker 1>do you know, ABC, D and E and you kindind

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<v Speaker 1>of touch on everything there.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll be interesting to watch too. How that quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>board on Day three falls because two things to that. One,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously you have to have someone there that's worth the value.

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<v Speaker 2>But two, if green Bay would potentially approach it from

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<v Speaker 2>an undrafted college free agent role, you would think this

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<v Speaker 2>job would be the bell of the ball right now

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<v Speaker 2>because with respect to Ritter and respect to McCord, both

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 2>draft picks in this NFL, they both came in at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the season, they weren't on other rosters, right.

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 2>McCord ended up his contract expired from Philadelphia, he signed

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<v Speaker 2>here as a future signing. You had Ritter who was

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<v Speaker 2>on the market. Packers brought him in after things didn't

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<v Speaker 2>quite work out with Clayton Tune in that finale. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be a lot of agents. There's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of quarterbacks that maybe don't get drafted in

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<v Speaker 2>this thing that when they're putting together their board, you

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<v Speaker 2>would think green Bay is going to be pretty high

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<v Speaker 2>on that list.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, I mean it's going to be. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a fascinating few days. The first day is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a little inactive for all of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so what are we doing bringing a deck of

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<v Speaker 2>cards or what's there?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. You will play some uh you know, cribbage.

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<v Speaker 2>Up for some crill.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring my board. I got that. I got that, uh

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:15.240
<v Speaker 1>the cribbage board last year with the racing sausages from.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Nice, I got that out of you. Bring that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bring my Pokemon cards. We can teach each other

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<v Speaker 2>how to play hardwork.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds good, sound good. So with that we'll call

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<v Speaker 1>it a rap on this comeback episode of Packers unscripted

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<v Speaker 1>here in our brand new studio. We will be back

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<v Speaker 1>next week and in the succeeding weeks through essentially through

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<v Speaker 1>like off season program OTAs in mini camp, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do a couple episodes a week up until say like

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<v Speaker 1>early to mid June something like that, before we take

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<v Speaker 1>another break. So hope to see you again next week.

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<v Speaker 1>But for now, thank you for tuning in, and we

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<v Speaker 1>will see you next time.