1 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Saver, a production of iHeartRadio. I'm 2 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Lauren Vogelbaum, standing in solo for my co host Annie Reese. 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: Today she is on break, but we'll be back later 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: this week. May the Force be with her always. Today, 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: we've got a classic for you on ice cream Sundays. 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Originally published in September of twenty eighteen. I was thinking 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: about this one because we are entering this season here 8 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: in the Northern Hemisphere where people enjoy eating cold things 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: because it is unforgivably hot outside, and I had forgotten 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: how delightful the rivalry in this one really is. So 11 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: without further ado, I will let former Annie and Lauren 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: take it. 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: Away and welcome to food Stuff. I'm Annie Ree's and 14 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: I'm Lauren Vocal Bomb. And today we've got sort of 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: a special episode for you. It's about ice cream Sundays. 16 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: It's a little different, uh huh. 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: We're going to present it as sort of a trial. Yeah, 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 2: our first food stuff trial. I hope there's a lot 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: of Law and Order sound effects? Oh yeah, can we 20 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: do that? I actually never seen Law and Order, but 21 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: I know the sound effect. 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: But that's all. 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: We need to get it right there. Yeah, just make 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: that occasionally pick your spots. But okay, I think we'll 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: really add to it. 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: So surely people were topping their ice cream with like 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: stuff before the ice cream Sunday became a whole thing. 28 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: Surely it just makes sense. 29 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: Really, Oh yeah, I mean ice cream is delicious, other 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: stuff is delicious. Put them together. 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: Easy as pie. 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: There's no put ice cream easiest pie a la mode. 33 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: But a Sunday is something specific. It is which brings 34 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: us to our question what is it? 35 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: Well, I would say, okay, this is Lauren's. 36 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: Okay, I would say, then ice cream Sunday requires at 37 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: least two scoops of ice cream if it's scooped. If not, 38 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: then I guess that just goes right out the window. 39 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: Soft syruf anyway, two scoops of ice cream, some kind 40 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: of sweet syrup or other like liquid sauce like hot 41 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: fudge as a topping, and then a second kind of 42 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: topping for like texture or just punctuation like sprinkles or 43 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: chopped nuts or like a marachino cherry on top. Some people, 44 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: like Dairy Queen would a search that you don't need 45 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: anything after that that liquid topping for it to be 46 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: a Sunday. Their base Sunday is just ice cream and 47 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: liquid topping. Everything else costs extra. 48 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: I see, But anyway, you're not mad about that at all. 49 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: I'm not mad about it. I just don't think that 50 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: it's a Sunday unless it has two distinct tops things. 51 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: Okay, I see, okay. 52 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: But anyway, after those basic needs are met, you've got 53 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: a lot of room for possibilities. You know, whipped cream, 54 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: candy of whatever kind, whole or chopped fresh fruit, fruit compot, 55 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: that chocolate sauce that you know hardens when it hits 56 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: the ice cream. Oh, I kind of love that stuff, 57 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: even though it creeps me out, don't We. 58 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 2: All love foods that are just kind of creepy when 59 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: we think about them. Yep, yep. As you can imagine, 60 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: we humans add all sorts of toppings to Sundays these days, 61 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: from fries in Japan to bacon, and we also make 62 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: huge ones like the Great Pyramid from Cabots ice Cream 63 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts. It comes in a bowl almost two feet 64 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: in diameter, loaded with sixty pints of ice cream pints, 65 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: sixty pints, sixty pints, and twelve quarts of toppings. Oh 66 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: my goodness, and on top of those toppings, you add 67 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: what I would call other toppings, but they don't whipped cream, nuts, marshmallows, 68 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: and a cherry on top. And allegedly it serves you 69 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: and one hundred and seventy f or of your pals. 70 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: Oh wow, I don't have one hundred and seventy four friends. 71 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: I don't think not that I want to eat a 72 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: single bowl of ice cream with. 73 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get multiple bowls if I got this thing. 74 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be straight with everybody. 75 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: I've I've shared a very large ice cream Sunday with 76 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: maybe like six of my friends. There was a place 77 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: that we went to in high school down by the 78 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: beach that had very large Sundays. But and I felt 79 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 1: fancy as heck the time that that happened. 80 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: That sounds very fancy. That sounds like something I've only 81 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: seen in movies. 82 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, yeah, I did not wear my Bobby Sucks, 83 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: but I nonetheless felt Yes, technically, banana splits and parfas 84 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: stuff like that are also Sundays. It's sort of like 85 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: a square rhombus kind of situation. Nutrition wise, they're like 86 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: the epitome of a treat. 87 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about their name. We're going 88 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: to get into this in a little bit. Sunday it's 89 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: something special one day a week. I wish I had know. 90 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: I wish I'd thought of that as a kid, and 91 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: I could have made that argument better, but I didn't. 92 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: I didn't. 93 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: It does depend highly on what kind of ice cream 94 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: and toppings you involved there. It's your mileage will definitely 95 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: very It's true. 96 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: My go to at DQ Dairy Queen was hot fudge Sunday, 97 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: hot fudge sauce and cons that was it. Ooh nice, simple, simple. 98 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: I like a crunch Yeah, but. 99 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: Rememb when we get that frozen yogurt and I put 100 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: every topic on. 101 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: Every single one, I'm still upset about it. 102 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: I am too. Do we have we have some numbers? 103 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: We do? 104 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: We do? Oh, we have a bunch of delightful numbers. 105 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 2: So okay. 106 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: According to a Yahoo survey of about one thousand representative 107 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: Americans over the age of thirteen or thirteen and over anyway, 108 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: ice cream is America's favorite dessert, and twenty one percent 109 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: of us prefer it to be in Sunday format. 110 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: Huh. 111 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: As of twenty fifteen, the Guinness World Record for the 112 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: largest ice cream Sunday was made in Canada. It weighed 113 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: twenty four point nine to one metric tons that's almost 114 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: fifty five thousand pounds. About four and a half tons 115 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: of that was syrup. 116 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. 117 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: And according to Guinness, it looked quote not unlike a 118 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: dairy based tribute to Jaba the Hut. 119 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: Sunday, the hut there, and they. 120 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: Were not lying. It kind of did like a pink 121 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: pink job of the hut. Guinness also reports a record 122 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: for the longest ever ice cream dessert, a Sunday made 123 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: in Texas, with about eight hundred gallons of ice cream, 124 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: two thousand cans of whip cream, twenty five pounds of sprinkles, 125 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: and twenty thousand cherries. It stretched almost one four hundred 126 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: meters in length. That's about forty five hundred feet. 127 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: I had an aunt that told me, and I think 128 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 2: you've redne a brain stuff episode about this, that dairy 129 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: products gave you nightmares. Oh, and she used to tell 130 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: me if I had too much ice cream ry to 131 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: have bad dreams. I think she just didn't want me 132 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: to ice email like ten PM. But can you imagine 133 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: the bad dreams you'd have if you had this Lodge 134 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: ice cream. 135 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: It served a lot of people. 136 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: Well, I hope so. I imagine you'd die if you 137 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: try to. 138 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: Oh goodness, yeah, that's not. 139 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: No. 140 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: Guinness's most expensive dessert on record is also an ice 141 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: cream Sunday, a chocolate Sunday offered for twenty five thousand 142 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: dollars at a New York City restaurant in two thousand 143 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: and seven. It included a blend of twenty eight premium 144 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: cocos and a golden spoon encrusted with diamonds that was 145 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: the buyers to keep. 146 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: Well. I guess different strokes for different folks. 147 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: And apparently ice cream Sundays are quite posh in New 148 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: York City. This year, just an April, food writer Pete 149 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: Wells published an article in The New Yorker titled the 150 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: ice Cream Sunday Must be Stopped. It complained that like nostalgic, 151 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: ice cream Sundays at restaurants are generally as insipid as 152 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: they are ubiquitous. He was real mad at them. 153 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: Huh. It's interesting because to me, I don't like if 154 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: I'm at an ice cream restaurant, I don't order the Sunday, 155 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: but I do get ice cream with two toppings, which 156 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: it's just in my head. I don't think of it 157 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: as a Sunday, but I guess it is. 158 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. Yeah, if I'm going to order 159 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: ice cream from an ice cream place, I definitely get 160 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: a liquid topping and then a crunchy topping for texture. 161 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to have to reevaluate my Sunday definition. 162 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: Oh okay, questioning. Thanks, Yeah, but this is an episode 163 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: of many questions. 164 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: It is it is, and we're. 165 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: Going to get into that after we get back from 166 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: quick break for our sponsor. 167 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: And we're back. Thank you sponsors. 168 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you. 169 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 2: So now our trial begins. Yes, yes, because the ice 170 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: cream Sunday is the source of much contention. Oh yeah, 171 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: people fight over it. There are songs, like fight songs. 172 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: There are official legal documents in what has been dubbed 173 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 2: the Sunday Wars. The name is a source of debate too, 174 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Like. 175 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: Like why it's called a Sunday, that's correct, Laurence. Why 176 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: it's spelled with that E instead of a Y. Yes, 177 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: or sometimes with an I H monster. 178 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 2: Yes, so the name. There's The popular, possibly apocryphal story 179 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 2: is that the blue laws here in the States, and 180 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: these are laws prohibiting certain activities on Sundays for religious reasons. 181 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: Did not allow for ice cream sodas on Sundays because 182 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: of there and this is a quote a document somewhere frilliness. 183 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: No frilliness on Sundays. No, no clergy preached against quote 184 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: sucking soda on the Sabbath and any day really, but 185 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: especially on the Sabbath. So the Sunday with an E, 186 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: along with names like the Sunday sund I and Psalm 187 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: Dso n Dhi were used to maybe lessen the angry 188 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: response from the religious community who might not appreciate this 189 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 2: luxurious treat being named after their holy day. I see. 190 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: In nineteen forty five, a famous newspaper columnist by the 191 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: name of H. L. Menca And published a book called 192 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 2: The American Language Supplement One. It included an entry about 193 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: the suffix day Dae, which read quote most plausible of 194 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: their theories abscribes the introduction of the Sunday itself to 195 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: George Hallower of Marshall, Illinois, and the invention of its 196 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: name to George Giffy or Jiffy, of man Manatoc, Wisconsin. 197 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: He also alleged that the origins of the Sunday in 198 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: Wisconsin came before all other origin stories which he probably 199 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: heard this story in Wisconsin, and this was a shot 200 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: fired in the Sunday wars. 201 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: Oh yes, because people are serious about their origin stories 202 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: of the Sunday. 203 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: They are so serious, deadly serious. Oh no, perhaps not 204 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: that serious. 205 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: Maybe it's deadly, but quite series. 206 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: Quite serious. Three towns claimed to be the home of 207 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: the first ice cream Sunday, although one of those is 208 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 2: more technical. And we present before you the evidence. You 209 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 2: must decide for yourself. 210 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: Undone, Yes, all right. 211 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: Origin story one, two Rivers, Wisconsin, current population two thousand. First, 212 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: all right. In eighteen eighty one, George Hallower walked into 213 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: ed Berner's ice cream parlor and asked the owner, Edward Burners, 214 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: for an ice cream soda. One problem though it was 215 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: a Sunday, Sunday to day, Sunday the day. 216 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: Oh no, you can't drink a soda on a Sunday. 217 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 2: That's right, Lauren, you can't. Undeterred, mister Berners came up 218 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: with a solution, a dish full of ice cream topped 219 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: with chocolate syrup. This was unique because at the time, 220 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: chocolate syrup was reserved for making flavored ice cream sodas. 221 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: Hallower and Burners both were impressed with this treat, and 222 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 2: Burners made it a special at his store for the 223 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: price of one nickel. The dessert was a huge hit. 224 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: Not too much evidence exists to back this up, though. 225 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: One thing the town likes to bring up is a 226 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: nineteen twenty nine interview published in the Two Rivers Reporter 227 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: newspaper with Edward Berners. In the article, Burners describes how 228 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: the Sunday came to be allegedly quote, one night, Halloa 229 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 2: dropped in and ordered a dish of ice cream. As 230 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: I was serving it, he spied a bottle of chocolate 231 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: syrup on the backbar, which I use for making sodas. 232 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 2: Why don't you put some of that chocolate on a 233 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: ice cream, he asked. You don't want to ruin the 234 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 2: flavor of the ice cream, I protested, but Hallara answered, 235 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: I'll try anything once, and I poured it on the chocolate. 236 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: Hallara liked it, and the ice cream Sunday was born. 237 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 2: Twist though, oh no, yeah, there are a lot of 238 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 2: twists in this episode of Your Prepared. In eighteen eighty one, 239 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: which is when Berner's claims this went down, he would 240 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 2: have been eighteen years old, which is a bit young 241 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 2: to own your own store. 242 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: Oh I see. 243 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: Even his obituary acknowledged that he quote claimed to be 244 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: the originator of the ice cream Sunday. The Wisconsin State 245 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: Historical Society, though, does not have any such doubt. They 246 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: officially recognized Two Rivers as the home of the first Sunday. 247 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: A plaque was put up in nineteen seventy three to 248 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: make clear to any who would dare a question that 249 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: Two Rivers is in fact the true birthplace of the 250 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: ice cream Sunday quote. In eighteen eighty one, George Hollower 251 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: asked Edward Z. Berner, the owner of a soda fountain 252 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: at fourteen oh four fifteenth Street, to top a dish 253 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: of ice cream with chocolate syrup with chocolate sauce. Hitherto 254 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: used only for ice cream sodas. The concoction cost a 255 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: nickel and soon became very popular, but was sold only 256 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: on Sundays. One day, a ten year old girl insisted 257 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: she had a dish of ice cream with that stuff 258 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: on top, saying they could pretend it was Sunday. After that, 259 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: the confection was sold every day, and many flavors, it 260 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: lost its Sunday only association to be called in all 261 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: caps ice creams Sunday when a glassware salesman plays an 262 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: order with his company for the long canoe shaped dishes 263 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: in which it was served as Sunday dishes. 264 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: And there you have it. 265 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: That's pretty, that's legit, but also it bold. 266 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: It uses capslock. I mean, I don't know what's legit 267 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: outside of the use of capslock. 268 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: Who knows. It's very serious. Indeed, visitors to the town 269 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: can also visit a replica of Ed Berner's ice cream 270 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: parlor at the Washington House Hotel Museum and it's always 271 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: listeners if you have been there. 272 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: Oh, please send pictures, please placeies please. Yeah. 273 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: Depending on the source, Manachewaik, Wisconsin might come up in 274 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: this origin story as well as mentioned in that Menen 275 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: piece we talked about it the top minutes back. Competitor 276 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: of Berner's, George Jiffy or Giffe, started serving the same 277 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: ice cream treat. However, he thought five cents was too cheap, 278 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: so he sold it only on Sundays, and because of 279 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: that fact, it started to be known as the Sunday 280 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: The profits became too good to sell only once a week, 281 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: so he changed the name to Sunday with an E 282 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: and sold it on any old day. 283 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Well, so that's that's our So that's our 284 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: first origin story. Yep, Okay. We've got a competitor, and 285 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: that competitor is Ithaca, New York. Current population seven hundred 286 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: and fifty six. 287 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: So a bit bigger than two rivers, A. 288 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: Little bit bigger, a little bit bigger. This is a 289 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: city that's up in the western bit of New York State, 290 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: in the Finger Lakes region. It's right on Cyoga Lake, 291 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: and Cornell University lives here. It lived there back when 292 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: Ithaca's story about the ice cream Sunday began. They claimed 293 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: to have such detailed documentation that they can nearly pinpoint 294 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: the hour that the first Sunday was served. 295 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: Ooh oh oh uh huh. 296 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: So April third, eighteen ninety two, it's a Sunday. The 297 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: reverend of the local Unitarian church, one John M. Scott, 298 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: visited the Plat and cult pharmacy after services. This was 299 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: a common occurrence. Mister Platt, that's Chester c. Plat for 300 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: your information, was the church's treasurer, so they often met 301 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: up after services. To talk about stuff. Platt had his 302 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: fountain clerks scoop them up two bowls of an el 303 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: ice cream, and then Platt stopped and topped each with 304 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: cherry syrup and a candied cherry. 305 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 2: Oh. 306 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: And Platt and Scott found the result so tasty and 307 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: so attractive that they decided to name the dish. They 308 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: were like, this has to have a name. It got 309 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: too yeah, and Scott suggested that they name it for 310 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: the day that it was created, the Cherry Sunday Ah. 311 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: Two days later, an ad ran in the Ithaca Daily 312 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: Journal for a Cherry Sunday, a new ten cent ice 313 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: cream novelty served only at Platin Cult's famous day and 314 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: night soda fountain. 315 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: They really didn't waste any time. I'm selling that. 316 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: No, Wow, immediately Yeah, like like place the ad the 317 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: next day runs the day after that. 318 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. 319 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: And this tale has its own Depression era corroboration. In 320 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six, apparently having read newspaper articles with other 321 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: origins of the Sunday, the clerk from Platin could who 322 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: was there that day, Mister DeForest Christians wrote into an 323 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: Ithaca Historian with his version of the tale. 324 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 2: As told above. So intrigue, Yes, Sunday intrigue. But we 325 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: have another we have another claim. 326 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: Oh goodness. 327 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this one comes to us from Evanston, Illinois, 328 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: current population seventy four thousand, eight hundred and ninety five. 329 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: And this is where Northwestern University is, which a good 330 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: friend of mine went to and I visited to her 331 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 2: a lot. So I have been to Evanston, Illinois. Okay, 332 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 2: have you had a Sunday there? Oh? 333 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: I did. 334 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: It was peanut butter Maurice's cup anywhere cream and I 335 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: have a picture of me eating it, and I look 336 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: so happy. I was so happy. 337 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: You look happy just thinking about it. 338 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: I am. Towards the end though, I was not as 339 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: happy because it was quite sweet. But yeah, it's very enjoyable. 340 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: So this is the one that I mentioned. Is more technical. 341 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: They could have been a condenda. They don't really claim 342 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 2: to be the creator of the Sunday the thing, but 343 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: they do claim ownership of the name ice cream Sunday. Okay, 344 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 2: that they say they coined in the eighteen nineties. At 345 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: the time, Evanston was not Evanston, but Chicago's heaven or Heavenstown. 346 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: Heavenstown was not heaven though at least not for soda lovers. 347 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 2: They led the charge when it came to outlawing the 348 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: Sunday sona menace, as they called it. As the name 349 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 2: might suggest, they were pretty religious. In Heavenstown, they had 350 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 2: an ordinance on the books making the sale of ice 351 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 2: cream sodas against the rules. We'll say on Sunday. Garwood's 352 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: Drugstore came up with work around selling an ice cream 353 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: soda without the soda on Sundays, so just the ice 354 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: cream and the syrup aka a Sunday. The local Christian 355 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: Women's Temperance Union okayed it, saying it was better than outcaul. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, 356 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: But that's not all. Oh no, Sunday Sunday Sunday. So 357 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 2: we have origin story four through eight and plus even more. Buffalo, Cleveland, 358 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: New Orleans, and many other cities also say they invented 359 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: the Sunday but until they present more evidence, they're gonna 360 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: have to take a back seat. 361 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: M m. 362 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: And speaking of evidence, we have some. Oh yeah, but 363 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: first we have one more quick break for a word 364 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, 365 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: thank you. Our first bit of evidence comes to us 366 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: from the Two Rivers City Council, and they released a 367 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: resolution in two thousand and six titled Resolution formally challenging 368 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: the City of Ithaca, New York's claim to be quote 369 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: birthplace of the ice cream Sunday. 370 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: This is this is a legal resolution. It is it 371 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: was I think mostly in good fun. I think mostly, 372 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: But they like they like sent it to the Mayor 373 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: of Ithaca. 374 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 2: I think they did, indeed. 375 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: And as it is beautiful, we're going to read a 376 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: few excerpts from it. 377 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just want you to keep in mind 378 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: that we trim this down quite a bit. 379 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: Ye, this is not the entire thing. 380 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: No, No, it went on far longer, far longer. Whereas 381 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 2: it is only fitting and proper that the coolest city 382 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 2: in America's dairyland be afforded sole possession of this title. 383 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: And whereas it has recently come to our attention that Ithaca, 384 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: New York, not content with just promoting its status is 385 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: home to one of America's great universities in the Finger 386 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: Lakes region of beautiful Upstate New York, has once again 387 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: dusted off its claim to be birthplace of the ice 388 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: cream Sunday. 389 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 2: Whereas Ithaca's experience with ice cream Sundays is a relatively 390 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 2: recent vintage, dating to Chester Platt's fabrication of a cherry 391 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 2: Sunday at his drugstore Soda Fountain in eighteen ninety two, 392 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 2: a full eleven years after Ed Berner's Sundays began broadening 393 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: children's smiles and adults wastelines in our community on the 394 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: shore of Lake Michigan. 395 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: Now, therefore, be it resolved that the City of Two 396 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: Rivers reasserts its status as the birthplace of the ice 397 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: cream Sunday. 398 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: Be it further resolved that the City of Ithaca is 399 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: hereby directed to cease and assist from its continued claims 400 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 2: of being birthplace of the ice cream Sunday, lest the 401 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: City of Two Rivers be forced to take further action 402 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: to set the historical record straight. 403 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: And be it further resolved that the good citizens of 404 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 1: Ithaca are urged to henceforth direct their energies to more 405 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: appropriate pursuits like cheering on the athletic teams of Cornell 406 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: University and celebrating the beauty of the Finger Lakes region, 407 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: while leaving ice Cream Sundays to the town that knows 408 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: them best, Two Rivers, Wisconsin, who. 409 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: They are not joking around. It's a beautifully pinned. 410 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: It, is it? You know? I couldn't. I couldn't have 411 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: written that. I don't have the legal wherewithal. 412 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: But Ithaca did not take this lying down. The next year, 413 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven, two Ithaca High School senior 414 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 2: years interning at the History Center in Tompkins County, spent 415 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: six months scouring documents to prove that Ithaca is the 416 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: rightful heir to the Sunday throne. Their search for out 417 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: several relevant pieces of information. Yes. Exhibit A the ad 418 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 2: published on April fifth, eighteen ninety two, in the Ithaca 419 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 2: Daily Journal. This is the oldest record of the ice 420 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: cream Sunday that we know of. 421 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: And Exhibit A one because there's there's another ad a 422 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: couple months later from May twenty eighth, eighteen ninety two, 423 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 1: for a strawberry Sunday made and served exactly right at 424 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: the Soda Fountain of Platin. 425 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: Cult exactly clear write indeed. Exhibit B a brief from 426 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: the Ithaca Daily Journal's town Talk section published April eleventh, 427 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 2: eighteen ninety two. This confirms the date, time, location, and 428 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: ingredients of the cherry Sunday. 429 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: Exhibit C the original Platin Cult Pharmacy ledger books found 430 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: buried in the archives of Cornell University. These ledgers indicate 431 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: that the pharmacy had all the makings for their Cherry 432 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: Sunday by the early eighteen nineties, and also back up 433 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: Christensen's the store clerks story concerning the dates of his 434 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: employment at the pharmacy. 435 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: Exhibit D the letter written by DeForest Christians in nineteen 436 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 2: thirty six found in the archives of the History Center 437 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 2: in Tompkins County. And Christians also said that the Sunday 438 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: was popular with Cornell students and that it must have 439 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: spread to other places when they went home for the 440 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: holidays or graduated and moved away. 441 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: And Exhibit E a letter from one William Henderson, a Washington, 442 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: d c. Trademark attorney, to Platin Cult Pharmacy, dated eighteen 443 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: ninety four. The letter confirms that the Sunday not only 444 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: existed at the pharmacy by eighteen ninety four, but had 445 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: reached a level of popularity that Platin Cult were seeking 446 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: a national trademark. They did not get the trademark, but 447 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: a decade later Sundays would be available around the world, 448 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: and the issue with the trademark was this at a 449 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: national level. You needed an internationally traded product in order 450 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: to procure a trademark. So the attorney who wrote the 451 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: letters suggested the Platin cult contact instead of New York 452 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: State Department about local protections. 453 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: And you might be thinking, in the face of all 454 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: of this documentation and evidence, Two Rivers might bow out Nope, no, nope. 455 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: In fact, they well, basically their response was maybe it 456 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 2: did happen, but you can't prove it didn't. If I 457 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 2: had to sum it up. One residents of Twos sent 458 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 2: the mayor of Ithaca postcards, including one from the ghost 459 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: of Ed Burners himself. Ah, or that's what they had 460 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: just read. Anyway. The mayor also received a DVD containing 461 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 2: a Sunday fight song performed by the proud people of 462 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 2: Two Rivers. 463 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: It's to the tune of Wisconsin State's fight song called 464 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: on Wisconsin, and the excellent podcast Food non Fiction It's 465 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: a terrific show on the radio Public Network also has 466 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: an episode about this whole Sunday fight thing, and they 467 00:27:38,200 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: tracked down a copy of this recording in Two Rivers 468 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin history was made and our pride in that 469 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: first Sunday. It will never fade made right here by 470 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: old Ed Berner's eighteen eighty one. Now we celebrate that 471 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: Sunday and have lots of fun. Others try to claim 472 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: the Sunday started in their towns, but the story of 473 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: our Sunday turns smiles into frowns. Top with chocolate or 474 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: with cherries and with lots of nuts. Try to claim 475 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: our Sunday, and we'll kick you in your butts. 476 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: Whoa, it takes a turn there, it really did. It 477 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 2: was all happiness and smiles and then kicking your mind. 478 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 2: That sounds like Wisconsin. My ex is he was from Wisconsin, 479 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: so I've been several times. Uh huh. And he actually 480 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: was the one that got me turned onto this whole 481 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: Sunday debate because he has been down to Two Rivers. 482 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeahm m. 483 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: He did a report on it in elementary school. That's 484 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: so cute. Yeah. But if AKA didn't back down from 485 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: this either, no, nope. In response, they penned their own 486 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: Sunday fight song called Two Rivers Police. 487 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: And this one is sung to the tune of Moon 488 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: River if you're familiar with. 489 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 2: That, Yes, And they mentioned this on their tourism website. 490 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: Just by the way they have this excerpt, two Rivers, 491 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: Why live in denial? The story you compile won't play. 492 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: You're sign maker, a truth faker. Without Sunday proof, your 493 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: claims melting away. Ed Berner's off to fool the world. 494 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 2: There's such a lot of fools, you see, though sometimes 495 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 2: the truth may offend. Still you can pretend, my sweet 496 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 2: Wisconsin friend, two rivers, please, so we'll enter that into 497 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: the the evidence. Yeah, two songs, two Sunday fight songs. 498 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: Oh and yeah, so I mean verdict, the Sunday war 499 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: wages on. I don't know that it will ever come 500 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: to an end. What if they had a big ice 501 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 2: cream food fight. 502 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: Oh that sounds extremely messy. 503 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: Yes it does. 504 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: Annie has a twinkle in her eye. 505 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: You guys, I want to be like some kind of 506 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: officiator or judge of this. This one was a lot 507 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: of fun to do. It also, let us practice and uh, 508 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 2: I guess demonstrates everyone why we aren't lawyers. 509 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, certainly that's not no, not that organized. 510 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: No, but we did have fun dramatically reading court documents 511 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 2: about the ideas. 512 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if anyone ever wants that to happen, let us. 513 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: Know, yeah, but please let us know where you stand 514 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 2: on this ice cream Sunday debate. 515 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think you know, it sounds like 516 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: one of those like like Zeitgeist things that kind of 517 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: just like kind of like came up out of, you know, 518 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: the human consciousness. Around that time. People had ice cream, 519 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: they had syrups, they put them together. They were delicious. 520 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: It's true, but I think I think it's I don't know. 521 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 2: Oh no, the two Rivers people are gonna send as 522 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: a DVD. Actually, I would love that, right. 523 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: Oh sounds so delightful, it does. That brings us to 524 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: the end of this classic episode. We hope you enjoyed 525 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: revisiting it as much as we did. If you've been 526 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: to any of these places, or if you have any 527 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: stories or strong opinions about Sundays, we would love to 528 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: hear them. 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