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Yeah, 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: coming up in the five o'clock hour, we're gonna have 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: a chance to talk to the former director of communications 21 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: from Mayor Eric Garcetti of Los Angeles, said Naomi Seligmann, 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: and of course she is key to getting the US 23 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: Senate at least for a while, to put a hold 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: on Garcetti's nomination to be the next ambassador to India 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: concerning the actions of his former top aide Rick Jacobs 26 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: and Garcetti's knowledge of the sex harassment committed by Jacobs 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: on many staff members. So we'll talk to Naomi at 28 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,279 Speaker 1: five oh five. All right, we have a special guest 29 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: in studio here, Michael Shellenberger. Michael Shellenberger is running for 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: governor as an independent candidate, also known as no political preference. 31 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: I think that's how you're described on the ballot right, 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: but in English you're an independent, you're running as a 33 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: Democrat or a Republican. And Kenn and I both thought 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: that Michael is somebody that you ought to seriously consider 35 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: voting for to replace Gavin Newsom spally in a year 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: where the Republicans don't have a real candidate. There is 37 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: one legislator up in northern California who's nobody's ever heard of, 38 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have much of a public record, and 39 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: a Republican is not going to get elected anyway right now. 40 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: So it's Michael Schellenberger, the type of type of person 41 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: who could beat Gavinusom. Well, we're going to talk to him. 42 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: We've had him on the show a few times. Recently. 43 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: He wrote an absolutely brilliant book called San Francico was 44 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: a complete takedown of the entire San Francisco government and 45 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: the homeless industrial complex that has actually made everything worse. 46 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: Not only there, but it's a safe story really here 47 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles anyway, Michael, welcome, thanks having me. I'm great, 48 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: great to be here. What kind of campaign strategy have 49 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: you been executing? Like, what are you doing on a 50 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: day to day basis? Because I we know you a 51 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: little bit from having inn heared you most of the state, 52 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: doesn't you need to get people to know you? Yeah, 53 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: and I know you don't have Gavin Newsom's work chess, 54 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: So what do you do day to day to move 55 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: the ball forward and get people to not only know you, 56 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: but then hear about all your ideas well. I Mean, 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: the funny thing is we so I have this professional 58 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: campaign team, now it's a bipartisan team. I've got former 59 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger guys. I've got former Chess of Bodine guys. That's 60 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: the Progressive DA in San Francisco. So I've got a 61 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats. And when we kind of sat down together, 62 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: we were like, what is the how are we going 63 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: to win? And they were like, well, we'll just keep 64 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: doing what you've been doing, which is to basically go 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: into homeless incamments interview people. And the way I do 66 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: the interviews, I'm just very matter of fact about it. 67 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: So a lot of journalists because they think that people 68 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: that live in homeless incaments are just poor. You know, 69 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: there's no that's all. It is, just an income is shoe. 70 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: I go to homescaments and I just interview people with 71 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: my iPhone and I say, you know, who are you, 72 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: where are you from? You know, what's your drug of choice? 73 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: You know? I asked the women, have you been assaulted? 74 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: You know? And and I've treated a very matter of fact, 75 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: and I get these extraordinary stories. I mean, basically, all 76 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: the women in these almost encampments who are in the 77 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: grip of late stage addiction are being sexually assaulted. Everybody's addicted, 78 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: probably I'd say ten percent have serious mental illness like 79 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: get a phreneer, bipolar disorder. Seventy five percent probably are 80 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: addicted to drugs and then all the crime that comes 81 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: with it. Because of course there's really you know, three 82 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: kinds of criminals. There's sociopathic, violent criminals who will never 83 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: be reformed. They should be in prison. There's some guys 84 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: who can be reformed. They need you know, they need 85 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: to go probably spend some time in jail and need 86 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: to get some parole and probation and be out then 87 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: with electronic monitoring and un announced pearle visits. And there's 88 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: just a lot of drug addicts and they just need 89 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: rehab and they need to get achieved recoveries. So we've 90 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: been out there really just telling that story, certainly doing 91 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: a lot of fundraising, but building this movement that we 92 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: I started building before I decided to run, which is 93 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: a movement of you know, people that are recovering addicts, 94 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: parents of kids killed by fentanyl, parents of homeless addicts, 95 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: and really trying to tell the truth about what's going on, 96 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: because then most of the mainstream media have just lied 97 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: to people about the nature of so called homelessness. They've 98 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: lied about the fact that This is fundamentally a problem 99 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: of untreated mental illness and addiction. Yeah, by the way, 100 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: on the ballot, I found this interesting. You're described as 101 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: homelessness policy advocate. That's what you picked. Huh Yeah, I 102 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: mean I have a lot of different hats, so we 103 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: could have chosen different different hats, but but that was 104 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: the one that we knew because we know that our strategy, 105 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: we know we have we're the only people that have 106 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: a vision for actually solving this problem, you know, which 107 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: is you gotta have fund to the shelters for people people. 108 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: Most people don't realize that progressives, our establishment has defunded 109 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: the shelters. And so when you defund the shelters, if 110 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: you don't have enough homeless shelters, you can't make people 111 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: go to shelter. That's why there's people sleeping on tents 112 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: on sidewalks. But our policy is shelter first, housing earned. 113 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: The current policy is just to give everybody think you know, 114 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: if you've followed the story here closely. But now shelters 115 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: are not good enough. Many homeless people are refusing them. 116 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: They want privacy. We've got two coundidate, so we've got 117 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: to count them and named Mike Bonnen that they want 118 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: to build them this permanent department style full supportive housing. 119 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you're saying that has to be earned eight 120 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: used at eight hundred thousand to pop these apartments they're building, 121 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: which the cost is so insane. Why are they pushing 122 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: this well in San Franciico, I point out in the 123 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: book I wrote, I interview people, I interview the advocates 124 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: for this point in blank and say, first of all, 125 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: can you build you know, we have one hundred you know, 126 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: I think we have probably close to two hundred thousand 127 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: and maybe two or fifty thousand homeless people in the state. 128 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: We have a quarter million people their own eight hundred 129 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: thousand dollars apartment union in Venice Beach. I mean, it's 130 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. And then it's like, well, then do you 131 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: think then all these other people aren't going to come 132 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: to California asking for their an apartment. Of course they would. 133 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: Everybody wants their own apartment in Venice Beach. Yeah, So 134 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: this is absurd and it's not what they do in 135 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: other countries. As I point out, housing for a small 136 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: number of people, particularly with mental illness or people who 137 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: need long term care they get residential care. Like my 138 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: aunt lived in a group home. She had care, but 139 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't her own private department in Venice. Beach got 140 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: to enforce the laws because that's how you maintain a civilization. 141 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: It's also how we get people to care they need. 142 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: And then you need statewide psychiatric and addiction care because 143 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: we're going to deliver psychiatric and rehab psychiatric care and 144 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: rehab in cheaper areas than downtown Los Angeles or downtown 145 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: San Francisco. And system we have is this crazy inefficient system, 146 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: fifty eight counties, duplicative services. So, I mean, it's a 147 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: long way to answer your question, Ken, which was homeless 148 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: policy at it because I've got a vision for how 149 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: to finally solve this problem which was created by the establishment, 150 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: created by Gavin Newsom over the last twenty years, starting 151 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: from when he was mayor of San Francisco all the 152 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: way until now. All Right, you are a top of 153 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: your game as an homeless analyst. Appreciate how do you 154 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: translate that into explaining all this to the people. How 155 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: do you distill the message so that people understand, Okay, 156 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: this guy really knows what he's talking about, because it's 157 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: a fine line between getting into the weeds and having, 158 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, a pitch that gets people excited. Well, it 159 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: turned out the book wasn't enough. I mean the book. 160 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: What the book did was it sort of laid out 161 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: a debunked all the myths, like the idea that you 162 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: can't afford the rent, and so you go live in 163 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: the most dangerous, you know, dirty you know, sidewalks in America. 164 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: That doesn't happen. You know, you can't afford the rent. 165 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: You go live somewhere cheaper, you move out of stadium 166 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: with family and friends. The people living on the street 167 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: are suffering late stage addictionamental illness. That's what's going on 168 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: so fundamentally. Now, the people who explain that best are 169 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: the people on the streets. So what I did is 170 00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: I've just been doing iPhone journalism, you know, and interesting 171 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: people on the streets. Actually they're very lonely. Often they 172 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: want to tell their stories and they want some recognition 173 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: from society. But I've just been holding my iPhone up 174 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: and interviewing people. And Twitter is great because it makes 175 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: you and Instagram and I just have to reduce the 176 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: size these videos. But I've been posting these videos and 177 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: people honestly describing the drugs they use, which is overwhelmingly 178 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: at this point, meth amphetamine and fentanyl, even cocaine and 179 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: heroin are sort of like heirloom drugs at this point. 180 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: All right, So why does Newsom Garcetti choose not to 181 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: deal with the drug and the mental illness? Why aren't 182 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: they building a whole infrastructure following exactly what you're talking about. 183 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: They won't do it, and they keep selling the idea 184 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: that all these people just got thrown out, were thrown 185 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 1: out by a mean landlord. Why do they keep doing this? 186 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody can see what they're two eyes that 187 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: that's not what's going on. Anybody who interacts with the 188 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: homeless knows that they're doing the folks that are in 189 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: serious mental distress. Two sides to the same coin. One 190 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: is money and then the other is dogmatism or ideology. 191 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: The money is, if you pay a developer to build 192 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: an eight hundred fifty thousand dollars apartment unit, there's a 193 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: lot more kickback to you in political contributions than if 194 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: you pay someone fifteen thousand dollars to build a shelter 195 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: space for somebody. So there's a there's a financial motivation 196 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: for the politicians to do this. I mean, Los Angeles 197 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: and San Francisco are both legendarily corrupt, and this is 198 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: how the political campaigns or finances with that housing money. 199 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: The ideology side, and it took me because you guys 200 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: may know, you know, I used to be on the 201 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: radical left. I'm now consider myself a very moderate person. 202 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: My strategy has a combination of things that you might 203 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: consider liberal, conservative, or really beyond that, but the progressive ideology, 204 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: and it was I had to you know, I can 205 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: look into my own past and saw this. There was 206 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: this idea that if you if you're compassionate and kind 207 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: and you're trying to help somebody, nothing can go wrong. 208 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: That's literally the idea that there's this Progressives take offense 209 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: at this, the idea that by trying to help somebody 210 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: you could hurt them. That's an offensive idea. It's not 211 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: just that they don't people don't believe it. They actually 212 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: are offended by the idea that they could cause harm 213 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: because they're so wrapped up in this idea that they're 214 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: a helping, kind person. So it's just this big blind spot. 215 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: And I trace in the book how and we see 216 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: it here obviously that here we are, you know, allowing 217 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: women to be sexually assaulted in these tents that we 218 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: all pass by every day, were allowing people to overdose 219 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: and die from from fentanyl in the name of compassion. 220 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: And so it's twisted, but that's what it is at bottom. 221 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: That's how the system maintains itself. We've got to talking 222 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: to Michael Shellenberger. He's on your ballot for governor. It 223 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: is a note party preference, and he is described on 224 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: your bats homelessness policy advocate, the author of the book 225 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: San Francico. We'll talk more to Michael. We come back. 226 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: Johnny ken Cafe got Michael Schellenberger here. Listen to Michael 227 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: as we go through the interview. He's running for governor. 228 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: I think he's a great choice and we could defeat 229 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom. He's an independent, he's no party preference on 230 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: your ballot. And if you want to read a great book, 231 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: start with San Francico as he takes apart the entire 232 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: homeless government industrial industry complex. So I know, you know, 233 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: I know, we could go on for hours just about homelessness. 234 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: But the other thing that's top of mind for a 235 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: lot of people in LA and Orange County is the 236 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: crime my people are And I just just in my life, 237 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: I've never seen so many people I know spooked because 238 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: they think at any moment, somebody's gonna bust into the house, 239 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna bust in to the restaurant, somebody's gonna attack 240 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: them on the sidewalk. I mean, but my wife got 241 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: chased by a guy in a car a couple of 242 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: months back. Everybody feels like at any moment their life 243 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: is over because there's so many criminal people running the streets. 244 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: What what's gone wrong here? Yeah? Well, I mean it 245 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: turns out when you don't enforce laws, people don't follow them. 246 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: I mean, who would have guessed that that would be 247 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: the case. I mean it was a bait and switch. 248 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: These these the das ran in San Francisco, in Los 249 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: Angeles on this platform of rehabilitating people rather than incarcerating 250 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: addicts for example, which is I think something most people 251 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: agree with. If you can do it, that's great, But 252 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: that's not what they're doing. I mean, they're just not 253 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: prosecuting people for many, many crimes, including violent crimes. I mean, 254 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: we just saw you know you famously, you know we 255 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: see all the time, you know, people in dramatic situations, 256 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, charging after somebody with a knife, and the 257 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: DAA prosecuting it. So that's what's going that's the bottom line. Now, 258 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: Gavin knew some under Gavin Knew some thirty thousand people 259 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: and be let out of prisons. We've gone from one 260 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty eight thousand to around ninety eight thousand. 261 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: Gavin wants to let another seventy seven thousand people out 262 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: of prison. That's what they're trying to do. So they 263 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: really think that seventy seven thousand felons are all gonna 264 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: come out of prison peacefully and do what, go open 265 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: gardening stores. I don't understand what do they think these 266 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: guys are going to do. They have a very black 267 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: and white view of it. They've decided that being incarcerated 268 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: or even justice involved, that's the euphemism they use, is wrong. 269 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: And so it's there is clearly more morally morally wrong. Yeah, 270 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a competition and this has been documented 271 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: between Soros funded politicians and remember Gavin received a million 272 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: dollars from George Soros in the last recall. People sometimes 273 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: ago it sounds like a conspiracy theory. It's not George 274 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: Soros just fun millions of dollars of campaign contributions to 275 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: people that follow US policies. So yeah, I mean, the 276 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: idea was that you're supposed to get out of prison 277 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: and there's some sort of thing for you to do. 278 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: But these guys, a lot of them got out of 279 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: prison and they're in the open, they're in the homeless encampments, 280 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, like I would, I have to say, there's 281 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: we're talking a little bit about how this changed even 282 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: in the time that I've been researching it from twenty 283 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty twenty two. There's a lot more dudes 284 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: with tattoos on their faces that are tougher dudes on 285 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: the street than there were a few years ago. These 286 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: are people that and I interview a lot of people, 287 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of people just got out of prison 288 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: and they go right onto the streets and they become 289 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: street addicts, and they engage in all sorts of crimes, 290 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: and they're engaging in crimes that are not just the 291 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: shoplifting that's terrible on its own, but they're engaging in 292 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: much more violent crimes. That's all that you saw the 293 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: bicycles those are people stealing bicycles. And I mean, so 294 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: what's amazing about it is the criminality is so in 295 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: the open right now. So you know the bike that 296 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: we call chop shops, these bikes, oh yeah, there's there's 297 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: no one near my house. They had a hundred bikes 298 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: on display, and thing that's one hundred bikes stolen in 299 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: the neighborhood could easily be prosecuted too us. Yeah, for 300 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: that reason. So you know, they're just not prosecuting these crimes, 301 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: you know. And so we you know, meanwhile, we lack 302 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: five hundred police officers minimum in San Francisco, minimum, five 303 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: hundred in LA maybe a thousand. I mean, people don't know. 304 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: People have this idea of Europe. Europe has more police 305 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: officers per capital than we do. They spend more money 306 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: on police. Forget what we do. Policing is really good. 307 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you were worried about crime, 308 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: you need more police. If you're worried about mass incarceration, 309 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: you need more police because police prevent crime. There's this 310 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: the radical left had had tried to promote this idea 311 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: that the police don't prevent crime. It's just not true. 312 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: It research is overwhelming that police prevent crimes. So you 313 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: need police to prosecute the crimes. You need the DA's, 314 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: you need the police at catch, but we need the 315 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: police the das to prosecute them, jail's, prisons. I mean, 316 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: you look at all these things. First they started with 317 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: psychiatric hospitals, they shut those down, Then they shut down 318 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: the increasingly shining down, the prisons, the jails, the police stations. 319 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: You're basically getting to the decivilizing process. That's what the 320 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: agenda is. And this crowd in power doesn't see where 321 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: this is going. Oh, I mean some of they don't care. 322 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: They want to say there's a nihilism there, there's a 323 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: hatred of I mean, I always it's kind of like, yeah, 324 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: who would have guessed that the people who are out 325 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: there saying that Western civilization is so terrible would be 326 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: trying to get rid of Western civilization. I mean, that's 327 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: what's been going on. They teach it in the schools. 328 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: They teach this idea that somehow this is a terrible 329 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: civilization we have, it's oppressive, there's some other civilization that's 330 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: supposedly better. They never specify what it is, and so 331 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: they proceed to get rid of the institutions that make 332 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: civilization possible. And that includes policing, that includes psychiatric hospitals, 333 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: psychiatric here, it includes rehab facilities, includes homeless shelters. These 334 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: are the things that you need to have functionings and 335 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: a functioning civilization, and their goal has been to get 336 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: rid of all of them. All right, there's more to covery. 337 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: Do you have time for a segment? YEA, Because I 338 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: mean when to get into energy. We got gonna have 339 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: a huge energy shortage here in this state, probably blackouts 340 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: the summer, huge water shortage come in. It seems like 341 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: the basics of life, basics of modern life. What are 342 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: an energy we're not going to have enough of, or 343 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: so they claim. So Michael Shellenberger, we're on Instagram live 344 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: by the way, if you want to watch this as well. 345 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: And he's running for governor against Gavin Newsom as an 346 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: independent candidate. He'll be on your ballot. I think you 347 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: ought to seriously listen and consider him. John and Ken Cafi, Well, 348 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: we continue with Michael Sheldenburger. Michael is running for governor. 349 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: He's on your ballot, which most of you are receiving today. 350 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: If you want to mail it in he has no 351 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: party preference and describes himself on the ballot as a 352 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: homelessness policy advocate. The author of the book San Francico. 353 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: He also was involved, actually it says here in this 354 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal article on he was an opinion piece. 355 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: Can Michael Schellenberger beat Gavin Newsom you describe yourself as 356 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: an ecomodernist, you can explain that. But if we wanted 357 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 1: to move over and talk, because today the California Air 358 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: Resources Board says that new home is being built in 359 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: the state starting in twenty twenty six need to be 360 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: powered by all electric furnaces, stoves, and other appliances. Who 361 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: are getting rid of the natural gas is what they 362 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: want to do, and they want to make the state 363 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: carbon neutral by the year twenty forty five. Drastic reductions 364 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: are going to be needed in fossil fuels that power cars, trucks, 365 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: plane ships, homeless businesses. What's your take on all this, Michael, 366 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 1: collective insanity? Basically, I mean yeah, I mean so, you know, 367 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: there's two kinds of environmentalists. There's pro human environmentalists, which 368 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: is my people, and anti human environmentalists. Pro human environmentalists 369 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: are pro abundant energy, abundant water, abundant housing, anti human 370 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: environmentalists are anti are pro scarce c they and so 371 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: California has got is rich in land. We're obviously rich 372 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: in water. Israel is now refilling the Sea of Galilee. 373 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: They're producing so much water through desalination from their oceans. 374 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: They're refilling the Sea Galley, exporting fresh water their neighbors. 375 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: We're in a crisis here. And Governor Newsom recently blamed 376 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: climate change for the fourth year in a row of 377 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: blackouts that he says we're going to have. They've also 378 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: blamed climate change for the droughts. Droughts, of course, have 379 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: been going on for thousands of years. But what's You 380 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: can't blame nature for the failure of Gavin Newsom to 381 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: build enough power plants and to build the water desalination facilities. 382 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,479 Speaker 1: Now people say, well, desalination is really expensive, Well, then 383 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: do the storage facilities we invested. We decided as voters 384 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen to spend two point seven billion on 385 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: water storage. They haven't built a single project. People say, well, 386 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: we should do water recyclings, great idea. We haven't built 387 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: a single water recycling project in that time. Why Because 388 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom is in the pocket of the pro scarcity 389 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: environmental groups, by which I mean Sierra Club and RDC, EDF, 390 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: the usual suspects. It's ridiculous all to move out of California. 391 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: Is that their dream? It's working, isn't it. Yeah, I mean, 392 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're planning to drive people out, this 393 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: is a perfect agenda. They've created, the plans working. I 394 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: mean what we should Why would we be surprised that 395 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: people with an anti human ideology are dr deconstructing, are 396 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: destroying our human civilization, driving people out of state, turning 397 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: it into you know, a completely polarized society. You know 398 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: where I was just in Pacific Palisades. Today. Life is 399 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: beautiful up in the hills down here. It's like, you know, 400 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: it's like the movie Elysium, you know, the rich living 401 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: these up in the up in the hills, and the 402 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: poor are stuck in the poor you know. And for 403 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: a state that says and for a governor who who 404 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: says he cares about poor people of color, or there's 405 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: no governor that's been worse for poor people of color. 406 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: We now not like you needed Harvard to do a study, 407 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: but the Harvard study just came out and found that, surprise, surprise, 408 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: the kids that were kept out of school during twenty 409 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: twenty one have suffered major learning delays. My daughter, sixteen, 410 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: was kept out of school during that period. She's benefits 411 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: from having parents that could provide for her in other ways. 412 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: But the kids that suffered the most were poor kids 413 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: of color, and in Texas and Florida, where they didn't 414 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: do that. And by the way, they didn't do that 415 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: in Europe either, you know, enlightened Europe, which we all 416 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: supposedly look to. They let the kids go back to 417 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: school in the fall of twenty twenty. So and then 418 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: did Gavin Newsom what about his kids? Did his kids 419 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: stay out of school over twenty No, of course not. 420 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: They went to private school and had in class instruction. 421 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: And if and nothing makes you angry about Gavin Newsom's behavior, 422 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: that ought to do it. So this is um they 423 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: have a he's you know, he's like the people in 424 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: that movie Elysium. You know, Jodie Foster and her people 425 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: will open the clouds and they just don't care about 426 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: the little people on the ground who have to live 427 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: with the water and power shortages. The failing schools where 428 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: less than half of our kids are proficient and reading 429 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: less than a third proficient in math. The kids failing 430 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: the most, of course, are African American and Latino kids, 431 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: who he says he cares so much about and displays 432 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: all sorts of woke rituals too, and he's depriving them 433 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: of a proper education. So it's really quite despicable the 434 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: behavior of our ruling class elites. There's no one that's 435 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: going to be a counterweight to him, like I can 436 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: do it, because the problem is, you know, the Republicans 437 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: that keep losing sixty two thirty eight. Now Gavin's you know, 438 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: resorting to trying to elevate my Republican opponents because he 439 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: knows he can't beat me. So that's where you know, 440 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: this agenda is going to continue unless the voters actually 441 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: make a decision to elect somebody who's got a more 442 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: sensible view the energy. In California, we're paying i think 443 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: sixty seventy percent more per household than the average and 444 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: the rest of the country. And they they want to 445 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: shut down natural gas plants, they want to shut down 446 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: the last nuclear reactor. Obviously, they don't want to burn coal. 447 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: All that's left is wind and solar. But there isn't 448 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: enough wind and solar, and there's no way to store 449 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: the wind and solar when the sun sets and the 450 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: wind stops at night. I mean, this is not a 451 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: rational No, that's for sure. It's not irrational. Remember only Hawaii. 452 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: Only people in Hawaii spend more money on electricity because 453 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: they have to import all of it, usually by ship, 454 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: and it's often burning oil. So we spend more, which 455 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: is absurd. You know, California is rich in oil and gas. 456 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: Now they want to go make people more dependent on 457 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: electricity as they shut down the last nuclear plant. We 458 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: finally did force Gavin to at least say that he 459 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: would reconsider keeping our last nuclear plant online. But we 460 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: need abundant energy, we need a bund in natural gas, 461 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: and we're gonna have blackouts for the fourth year in 462 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: a row. And who's he gonna blame? You know, every 463 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: time Gavin, every time something fails because of Gavin's policies, 464 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: he looks around, tries to blame somebody else. When he 465 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: can't find anybody, he blames climate shines. This isn't complicated. 466 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: An eight year old could figure this out that if 467 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: you turn off the nuclear power plants and the natural 468 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: gas plants, everything's going to go dark. Yes, I just 469 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: wanted to understand this. This is so extreme and so preposterous. 470 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: You just stare at them. It's like, you can't be serious. 471 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: You can't shut out, shut down everything. This is You 472 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: remember when they when they discovered that there was this 473 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: widespread looting at the Union Pacific rail yard in Los Angeles. 474 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: He shows up and he goes, what the hell is 475 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: going on around here? Who's in charge? Well, you know 476 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: you are. They look around, you know, they kind of 477 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: brown knows the way. All these guys, they kind of 478 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 1: brown knows their way to the top. And then they 479 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: get to the top and they can't figure out they fall. 480 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: They've done everything the experts said they should do, the 481 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: so called experts who are actually pursuing a pretty radical, 482 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: extreme agenda. When we look at the forest fires, they're 483 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: totally preventable. All you have to do is reduce the 484 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: build up of wood fuel in the forests through prescribed 485 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: burns and mechanical clearing. Gavin comes in his first year 486 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: and cuts the budget by one hundred and fifty million dollars. 487 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: The next year, resulting, by the way, a reduction by 488 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: fifty percent of the area treated for fire prevention. The 489 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: next year, we have the worst forest fires in recent memory. 490 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: And what is Gavin Dewey goes and blames climate change, 491 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: so this and then he lies about He says, oh, no, 492 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: we treated sixty percent more area about it, and it 493 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: was exposed to their credit because they often have been 494 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: quite supplicant to him, but the NPR affiliate Sacramento exposed 495 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: to this. He then runs his first ad claiming that 496 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: he had this incredible record on for us. We debunked 497 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: it within thirty minutes. The next day I ran my 498 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: own ad and now has more views on Twitter. Who 499 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: asks how we're gonna win when, like all underdogs win, 500 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: we move, we work harder, we move fast. We're changing 501 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: the rules of the game. They lie, We tell the truth. 502 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: Newsom's record is absolutely appalling. I mean, there's no politician 503 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: more responsible for the disasters of homelessness, crime. Fires. We 504 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: were talking about in the news that we just heard 505 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: you homeless in camp and fires are occurring right now 506 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. Yeah, fifty to eighty percent of all homeless, 507 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: eighty percent of all fires in Los Angeles are in 508 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: homeless encampments. So people often say, well, how much are 509 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,239 Speaker 1: we spending on this? Well, we have a hard time 510 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: figuring out. But because if if fifty to three quarters 511 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: of your fire department is going to just serving a 512 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: population that's less than one percent of the people living 513 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, it's a colossal waste of funding. We 514 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: know they spent fourteen they're coupending fourteen billion dollars to 515 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: make the problem worse. I mean, that's the thing. I 516 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: think it's hard for people to get their heads around 517 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: because often we think if you spend money, you make 518 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: the problem better. They spend money and they make the 519 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: problems home will do one more segment John and Ken 520 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: show Michael Schellenberger running for governor. Haven't heard this much 521 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: sense in forty five minutes in a long time, and 522 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: he's running as an independent no party preference on the 523 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: ballot against Newsom. John and Ken show one more round 524 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: with him, and we're live on Instagram too if you 525 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: want to watch camp. I am six forty all right, 526 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna have a final segment here. He spent the 527 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: whole hour with michaelish Shellenberger, who's running for governor against 528 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom. He's an independent, no party preference on your ballot. 529 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: He's written the book San Francico, which is a complete 530 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: takedown of the government, homeless, nonprofit industrial complex, as well 531 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: as many other issues. We've talked about this our crime 532 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: and the energy and the water, and you know, he's 533 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: a rational person and that's what I want to talk 534 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: about because I always have two minds with what's going 535 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: on in California. One is, the government in this state 536 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: from top to bottom, is insane. So it's not liberal 537 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: or it's insane. I mean, this stuff just doesn't work. 538 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: And on the other, I think, well, people keep people 539 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: voted for these officials repeatedly. But I don't know anybody 540 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: like this. All Right, I live in the most liberal 541 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: area in LA on the West Side. Yeah, they're they're Democrats, 542 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: They're liberal. I don't know anybody who has these kind 543 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: of politics that leads to the crime and the homelessness, 544 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: and the lack of energy and lack of water and 545 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: the whole bit that we've been talking about. What is 546 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: what is the chasm here? Yeah, turned on his mic 547 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: if you would, what's the disconnect? Well, I mean, look, 548 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 1: we were sold a bill of goods. I mean, we 549 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: were sold rehab for people with drug addiction and mental illness. 550 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: We all want that. We've we've voted for it many times. 551 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: By the way. You know, we put a tax on 552 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: millionaires for Mental Health Services Act, but of course that 553 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: didn't actually require it. It just made it all optional. 554 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: So we spend more money than any state per capita. 555 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: We spent on homelessness and mental illness, and we have 556 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: the worst outcomes. It's taken a little while. I mean, 557 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: it's been decades in the making to get this supermajority 558 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: of really radical left Democrats who are putting in police 559 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: policies to decivilize, you know, empty the prisons, shut down policing, 560 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: reduced the police force, just you know, disinvest from homeless shelters, 561 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: so there's just not any place to require people to 562 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: go into. So it took a while to get here. 563 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: And you know, we've got we're a big Lebowski culture. 564 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like, hey, take it easy, man, 565 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, there's a kind of that's what we love 566 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: about here, right, We're more relaxed than like Boston, because 567 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: Boston is a very liberal democratic city. But it doesn't 568 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: have open drug scenes. They did have one action they 569 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: shut it down. And it's not just because the weather, 570 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: it's because of the attitudes. But I do think things 571 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: are changing. I mean, we talked before about how one 572 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: of the most common phrases I hear from people in 573 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: California now is they go, I'm a very liberal person. 574 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: But you know, it seems like that starts so many conversations. 575 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: So we look, we're in the midst of a full 576 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: blown backlash. The recall against the progressive District Attorney San 577 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: Francisco is going to occur on June seventh. That's also 578 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: when I'll come in second against Gavin Newsom. That's going 579 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: to pass. But the new poll just came out showing 580 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: that people are in favor of at two to one. 581 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: That's in San Francisco, the most most liberal cities in 582 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: the world. They're gonna get a recall against George Gascon 583 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: in the DA of LA on the ballot that's going 584 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: to pass. That will happen in November. So we're in 585 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: for a pretty epic backlash. I think we're pretty well 586 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: into the midst of it, and I'm gonna you know, 587 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: I have a lot of confidence that we're going to 588 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: come in second. I think that, you know, getting support. 589 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: Our polling shows I get support in equal shares from Republicans, Democrats, Independence, 590 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: because if you look at the agenda, shelter first enforced 591 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: laws statewide psychiatric and rehab it's not a liberal conservative thing. 592 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: It's just what works in every city in the world. 593 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: If you go to Japan, Portugal, Netherlands, there's differences in 594 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: how they deal with addicts and people's mental illness, but 595 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: they're not fundamental differences. They're doing similar things. We just 596 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: need to put those policies in place here. Well, we 597 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: wish your luck and yeah, you know, we'll talk to you. 598 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: Let's keep talking as we head towards election day. Absolutely, 599 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: and folks can go to Schellenberger for Governor dot com 600 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: the whole agenda there. It's not just you know, we 601 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: talked about home, it's also pro school choice. Parents need 602 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: more saying where their kids go to school. We need 603 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: energy abundance, we need this saying in rational approach to homelessness. 604 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: So I hope the listeners will go and visit Schellenberger. 605 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: Definitely worth reading his books, watching all his videos and 606 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: social media, going to his website and learning about all 607 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: his issues in depth. Michael Schellenberger Schellenberger for Governor, Shellenberger 608 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: for Governor dot com. Okay, all right, thanks Michael for 609 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: coming back. We'll talk again soon when we come back. 610 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: What do we got Alex Stone? 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