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Speaker 2: Let's Roll. Welcome to the latest edition of The Giants Huddle,

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Speaker 2: presented by Citizens. The Giants look to bounce back from

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Speaker 2: a heartbreaking loss last Sunday against the Jets when they

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Speaker 2: visit the Raiders this week in Vegas at four to

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Speaker 2: twenty five pm Eastern. Fair to say, it's been quite

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Speaker 2: a few eventful hours in Sin City thus far, and

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Speaker 2: to make sense of all that and to help set

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Speaker 2: the stage for this matchup, we are now joined by

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Speaker 2: a man who knows the Raiders' organization very well. That's

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Speaker 2: because he won League MVP in two thousand and two

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Speaker 2: as a member of the Silver and Black, helped lead

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Speaker 2: them to a Super Bowl appearance, and seventeen years in

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Speaker 2: the NFL as a quarterback overall and a colleague of mine,

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Speaker 2: which I would say the most important part of the

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Speaker 2: resume on Sirius XM NFL Radio none other than rich

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Speaker 2: Gannon Richie got Lance Meadow here on Giants dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Always good to see you, Always good to go back

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Speaker 2: and forth. Hopol as well has everything on your end.

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Speaker 1: Lance, everything is great. Kind of a tumultuous morning here,

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Speaker 1: obviously with the news out of Las Vegas with the

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Speaker 1: Raiders significant changes, and I guess I would say I

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Speaker 1: wasn't shocked. Mark Davis wasn't happy with the direction the

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Speaker 1: team was heading under Dave Zigeler, general manager and Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 1: Ironically enough, a former Giant takes over now with the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce, a guy that had great success as a player,

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Speaker 1: and of course was the linebacker coach for the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: and I just get the sense that something had to change.

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Speaker 1: I think the loss to Chicago to a rookie quarterback,

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Speaker 1: loss to the Lions. It's how it went down. I think,

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Speaker 1: in particular the struggles that they'd had offensively, Jimmy Garoppolo

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Speaker 1: Mark make the change.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, especially when you look at an offense

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Speaker 2: that's averaging rich under sixteen points per game. It's very

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Speaker 2: hard to stay competitive, let alone win contest. So from

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Speaker 2: the Giants perspective, a reasonable change wise. Rich, Okay, you've

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Speaker 2: the dynamics we do, the quarterback and the OC in

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Speaker 2: terms of what the Raiders could do differently with aid

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Speaker 1: Of course, you know, I've got great respect respect for

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Speaker 1: great job as a defensive coordinator for the Giants, and

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Speaker 1: I think he'll play his defense. I think he'll continue

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Speaker 1: you don't you have a history with and Aidan O'Connell.

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Speaker 1: I did all the Raider of preseason games. He was

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Speaker 1: He played really well. Now it's preseason football, but I

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo was seeing ghost, he was missing wide open receivers.

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Speaker 1: I think I think you'll see it an offense that's

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Speaker 2: Now we've already seen rich a little bit of eight

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Speaker 1: It's a great point. I think it's it's really important.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of wild to think that since you led

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Speaker 2: they've had twelve different head coaches this Raiders organization, and

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Speaker 1: You know, I think one of the biggest mistakes lance

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Speaker 1: We're seeing it in other organizations around the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the number one job in front of

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Speaker 2: You're ready for a change.

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Speaker 2: slash Champion the Journey. With respect to the dynamics of

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Speaker 2: it's a coincidence, Rich that they part of ways with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a couple of things here. I think,

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Speaker 2: Being of HELLSA, I want to switch gears to the

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's in the back of

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what typically happens, lance is that when

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how Aidan O'Connell handles the relentless

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Speaker 2: Thankfully you wore the red jersey during practice, Rich, not

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Speaker 2: that Wink was the defensive coordinator, but at least you

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Speaker 2: were locked from having to worry about his blitz packages

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Speaker 2: twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what I've seen them do to others,

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Speaker 1: and there's nothing, There's nothing better. So look, the thing

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Speaker 1: I like about Wink is you know there's no surprise,

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Speaker 1: you know what, you know what to expect, you know

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Speaker 1: what you're going to get. And the guy to have

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Speaker 1: a situation, he's going to bring pressure, you know what.

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Speaker 1: And uh so, I'm sure the Raiders will be prepared

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Speaker 1: and ready for it. But the problem is, you just

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Speaker 1: don't know where it's coming from. You know, you don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's a safety on the edge, you don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's a coren. You don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: something up the middle. So, you know, I think that's

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Speaker 1: what makes his defense so difficult to prepare for. I

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Speaker 1: think it's I think it's the complexity of his bootz

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Speaker 1: packages and his ability to mix up personnel groupings as well.

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Speaker 2: Well. He's certainly had his fair share of success in

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Speaker 2: that department, and he prides himself on that. Based on

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Speaker 2: what he tells the media every single week, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: he's going to keep eight and O'Connell guessing it's the

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Speaker 2: Giants of the Raiders four twenty five pm Eastern. He's

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Speaker 2: rich gannon veteran NFL quarterback, two thousand and two MVP,

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Speaker 2: and you can hear him on Sirius XM NFL Radio

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Speaker 2: rich Ow. He's a blast going back and forth. Thanks

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Speaker 2: so much for joining me and I look forward to

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Speaker 2: doing it again down the line.

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Speaker 1: Lanser the best, Thanks, brother.

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