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Speaker 1: What Is Up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Up Podcast. Ryan Stanik back standing at

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Speaker 1: the disco, is back Pete Alonzo.

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Speaker 2: More rumors. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: We every day we get new stuff about Pete Alonzo

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Speaker 1: and we also have some possible trade rumors for the

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Speaker 1: New York Mets if Pete Alonso has not come back.

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Speaker 1: So we will talk about all those and everything else

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Speaker 1: as awful as the last episode. To all the folks

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Speaker 1: at home where you're at, how you doing?

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Speaker 3: These currents are so ugly. I think they're almost ugly

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Speaker 3: in the last one. They're very similar still with like

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Speaker 3: a pinkish reddish hue, but they're more in my face.

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Speaker 3: But I think I noticed them more. I'm in the

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Speaker 3: village of Pie right now, northern Thailand, up in the mountains.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty nice up here.

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Speaker 3: Gonna hang out here the next few days, get some

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Speaker 3: get some peace and serenity after being by the beach

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Speaker 3: for the last week and a half.

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Speaker 2: But that's not piece and serenity the beach.

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Speaker 3: But the beach is piece and serenity. But the beach

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Speaker 3: in Thaighland is so much more touristy, so much more action.

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Speaker 3: It's just a lot more like hip hop and happen.

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Speaker 3: Its like where I was when I did the last

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Speaker 3: podcast in the island. That was serenity, but the other

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Speaker 3: two beach towns I was in were chaotics. Now this

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Speaker 3: is like, okay, times of peace, do a high, hangout

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Speaker 3: in river, relax a little bit, but it doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 4: Ryan Stanning's pack.

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Speaker 3: This is my guy. I love this dude. I've been

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Speaker 3: begging from being the Mets for years. Was so happy

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Speaker 3: when David Hurons was down trade for him last year

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Speaker 3: during the summer. Was begging everybody to hang on with

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Speaker 3: me during during those first few bad outings, because the

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Speaker 3: guy like standing is always someone that's going to have

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Speaker 3: some big peaks and valleys with his his effectiveness just

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Speaker 3: because it's a it's a high octane, high end head

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Speaker 3: to the outing. It's fastballs, that's sliders, it splithers. You

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Speaker 3: don't look exactly where the pitchers are going. Guys are

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Speaker 3: going to get on base. There's going to be some

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Speaker 3: home run issues. But when the stuff is on and

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Speaker 3: you guys saw the stuff beyond towards the end of

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Speaker 3: September and through the playoffs, and he became literally in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs the Mets' second most trusted reliever as we

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Speaker 3: got through the Brewers and the Brave series, the Phillies series.

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Speaker 4: Like he has that upside.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the appeal of a guy like Ryan

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Speaker 3: Stanek whose battle test has been through tons of playoff

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Speaker 3: series before you saw him have the piece, even though

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Speaker 3: he's a psychotic human being, looks like a Roathy from

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Speaker 3: Metallica when he's on the mound. But the fastball, the slider,

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Speaker 3: the splither, you can't really beat.

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Speaker 4: That repertoire in the market right now.

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Speaker 3: The stuff is out of control, even with the high

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Speaker 3: walk rate for a one year deal, like you literally

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Speaker 3: can't do better than this this point in the offseason.

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Speaker 4: I'm really happy they.

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Speaker 2: Just hit it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Mets fans have been clamoring for bullpen help.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Stanek definitely is going to be that.

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Speaker 1: The Mets also said that one of the reasons why

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Speaker 1: they targeted him last year was that they saw that

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Speaker 1: to do that in the playoffs. So I'm really interested

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Speaker 1: to see what a full spring training with the Mets

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Speaker 1: can do to Ryan Standick's game because the rate stuff

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Speaker 1: the problem with him, if there was anything, but he

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Speaker 3: I will say the season went on just going by

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Speaker 3: the month from month on Baseball savonn for Ryan Staneck,

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Speaker 3: he basically threw the same amount of pitches in the

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Speaker 3: especially on the splil there and the fastball. So maybe

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Speaker 3: that's something there with the inception of those pitches that

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Speaker 3: the Mets helped unlock. But if you not take it,

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Speaker 3: like zoom out for a second look at this Mets

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Speaker 3: bullpen something I think a few weeks ago that was

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Speaker 3: a huge fear for a lot of Mets fans. People

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Speaker 3: boo boo, follow this team, care about this team. It's

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Speaker 3: come together really nicely. It's kind of hard to it's

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Speaker 3: kind of hard to I'm not gonna say it's hard

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Speaker 3: have Edwin Minter Stannik, Garrett, Dadnielle budo A as like

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Speaker 3: now inside this division the NLS who were competing with directly,

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Speaker 3: that might be the best bullpen cohort in the division

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Speaker 3: right now, which is kind of crazy to say. It's

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Speaker 3: a long way we've come in the last six weeks

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Speaker 3: two months, but we've done a really good job. Davidson

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm also gonna still throw in the name too,

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Speaker 1: of course, where you have Tyler McGill, who could be

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Speaker 1: you have Clay Holmes, who, if it doesn't work out

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Speaker 1: on the starting side, is going to be a fantastic

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Speaker 1: and the bullpen, something that you haven't been able to

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Speaker 1: So it's really refreshing and nice to see that we are,

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Speaker 1: like you said, five arms, legitimately deep right now of

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Speaker 4: We do like a little bit minutial bullpen talk, real quick.

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Speaker 2: Give it to the people. You've been away for a bit,

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Speaker 2: Give it to the people.

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Speaker 3: So with Stanna coming in now, though, this means that

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Speaker 3: the again the only optional believers who were projected to

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Speaker 3: Budo's out of options, Dan Young doesn't have options. Either

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Speaker 3: make this rosters. So now the Mets are in a

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Speaker 3: for saying this, there's a slight surplus of bullpen arms

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Speaker 3: right now. So I do wonder something that we talked

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Speaker 4: I wonder if.

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Speaker 3: If someone like Jose Budo's name does come up in

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Speaker 3: bit later in the episode that there is a little

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Speaker 3: some other players that could help them in the corners

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Speaker 3: and starting rotation. Now, it seems like it actually does

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Speaker 3: make sense for them to alleviate some of this roster

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think McGill probably won't be the guy just

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Speaker 1: because he has the option. Crazy enough, it will be

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Speaker 1: Budo and it sounds weird, But as spring training goes

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Speaker 1: Jose Budo just becomes a lot more valuable where maybe

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Speaker 1: he is someone that you can move for a piece

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be not a huge move by any means,

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Speaker 1: but something that could help this roster with flexibility as well,

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Speaker 1: because that is important. But also in the same regard,

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Speaker 1: there are going to be injuries throughout the year. There

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Speaker 1: are gonna be injuries in spring training. While the roster

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Speaker 1: may seem a little bit clunky right now in terms

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Speaker 1: of optionable guys in the bullpen, I'm sure there's gonna

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Speaker 3: And it's still January. It's only gonna be January. We

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Speaker 3: can only say that for two more days. I guess

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Speaker 3: one more day when you guys listen to this. But

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Speaker 3: still January. Still a lot, this roster is still not

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Speaker 3: the final product, and as David Stearns always says, the

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Speaker 3: final product in February is not gonna anything look like

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Speaker 3: what it's gonna be June, July, August, September. Ryan Stanik

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Speaker 3: wasn't even on the team last year until July, and

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Speaker 3: he was the second most stressed reliever by the time

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Speaker 3: it's really cool how much it seems like Sterns has

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Speaker 3: insulated this Mets bullpen from the chaos that ensued, especially

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Now, let's switch focus here to what you guys all

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Speaker 1: came for, the actual talk about Pete Alonzo and some

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Speaker 1: of the trades that the Mets are interested in. We

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Speaker 1: know that Steve Coen made comments at Amazing Day the

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Speaker 1: past weekend about the negotiations being frustrating with Pete, that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't like where they're going, And then we got

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Speaker 1: back into negotiations with Pete Alonso and the Borers camp

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Speaker 1: that they are seemingly trying to work towards a amicable

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Speaker 1: back on track to be, you know, coming back in

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Speaker 1: reunion here with each other. But also that makes it

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Speaker 1: weird than that we're hearing all these trade rumors about

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Speaker 1: Ryan Mountcastle, about Spencer Torkelsen, about some of these other

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Speaker 1: guys that the Mets are interested in.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's just such a bizarre place.

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Speaker 1: It seems like both sides are realizing again that this

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Speaker 1: is the only thing that makes sense for both of them.

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Speaker 3: But also the flip side of that, to play devil's advocate,

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Speaker 3: the way that the Mets and Steve Cohen have kind

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Speaker 3: of positioned the pivot away from p Alonso from the

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Speaker 3: first day this thing broke was Bullpen and now the

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Speaker 3: Mets have been signing trusted, proven reliever arms in Mintor

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Speaker 3: and Ryan Stannick. That's what almost twenty million dollars for

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Speaker 3: one year sounds a lot like it's getting paid yet

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Speaker 3: we an'll know. Yeah, it just came out when we're

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Speaker 3: recording this. Since it's twelve thirty times, got to get

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Speaker 3: to bed soon. But it's it's it's probably around what

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Speaker 3: eight nine to ten million for one year. That seems

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Speaker 3: Minterter got. That's why eighty five percent of the money

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Speaker 3: you expected to pay p Alons this year. If you

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Speaker 3: were to sign him anyway like that. It seems to

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Speaker 3: There was a really good article on Fangress this week

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if there isn't a first year opt out,

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Speaker 2: Field at it.

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Speaker 1: He's like been robbed of like six or seven home

435
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Speaker 1: runs alone last year because of left field being four

436
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Speaker 1: hundred feet to left center.

437
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Speaker 3: It's yeah, but I also do wonder again, like, but

438
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Speaker 3: it does make sense as a foil for Pete in

439
00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,399
Speaker 3: this met's lineup as a right handed power hitter, and

440
00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,480
Speaker 3: he probably would project a lot better now that's that

441
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Speaker 3: park went back. But like, realistically, like he's I don't know,

442
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Speaker 3: he's probably like fifteen to twenty percent better than the gaverage.

443
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Speaker 4: He's probably twenty home run guy with two sixty average.

444
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Speaker 4: That's pretty good the.

445
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Speaker 1: Thing you'd get what Pete probably was without like the

446
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Speaker 1: home run numbers, but you'd probably get the offensive value

447
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Speaker 1: of like that one twenty wrc prous from Ryan Mountcastle,

448
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Speaker 1: which was Pete's worst year.

449
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Speaker 3: Essentially, Yes, and then we get back to the party

450
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Speaker 3: about where the trader that actually look like for Ryan

451
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Speaker 3: maccastle and maybe McGill is the maybe Budo is the

452
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Speaker 3: guy that actually makes sense for Ryan Mountcastle.

453
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Speaker 1: Baltimore's pitching is pretty wee awful right now. Like they're

454
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Speaker 1: rocking Dean Kramer, Charlie Morton and Tomoyuki Sigano right now

455
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Speaker 1: on their opening day roster with Grace Rodriguez who dealt

456
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Speaker 1: with some injuries last year, Like they don't have a

457
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Speaker 1: lot of pitching depth because of guys like Kyle Bradish

458
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Speaker 1: and Tyler Wells going down with major injuries last year.

459
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Speaker 1: It's weird. There are rotations in a weird spot. We

460
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Speaker 1: know they're trying to win right now.

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Speaker 3: I'll say this ironically, this Oriols team does have a

462
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Speaker 3: lot of pitching depth.

463
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Speaker 4: They just don't have a lot of reliable pitching.

464
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Speaker 3: Like you mentioned guys like Morgen Kramer, Shugando, like those

465
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Speaker 3: are all like decent, decent back end guys. Then you

466
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Speaker 3: look at another like Albert Suarez who got some time

467
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Speaker 3: mixing game between the rotation of the bullpen last year,

468
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Speaker 3: Jackson Bowmeister k Povich. There's another triple I guy, I've

469
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Speaker 3: forgot right now, Trevor Rodgers. They made a big traits

470
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Speaker 3: for last year, Chase, Yeah, Chase McDermott, Like that's they

471
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Speaker 3: have legitimately like nine guys who could either be anywhere

472
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Speaker 3: from SP four, the SB Seven's.

473
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Speaker 2: It's their mcgills. It's like all their mills.

474
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Speaker 4: They have tons of mcgills.

475
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Speaker 3: They have tons of voodos, which is why I can't

476
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Speaker 3: exactly figure out why justin Armbrewster, Like I can't really

477
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Speaker 3: figure out where the package makes sense to give something

478
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Speaker 3: back to them, like they could also use another high

479
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Speaker 3: leverage relief arm.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

481
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Speaker 3: We can't really, we don't really have one of those

482
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Speaker 3: trade they want dead Neil Nuniez like that actually makes sense,

483
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Speaker 3: but I don't know if that that's something that we

484
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Speaker 3: would do. They did sign Andrew Kittrich. She looks about

485
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Speaker 3: TASA his due back. They're a weird trade partner because

486
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Speaker 3: I don't know what they actually want back in a deal,

487
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Speaker 3: Like that's one of the strangest parts about this for me.

488
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, I guess it is a little bit

489
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Speaker 1: difficult to figure out what they could be looking for,

490
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Speaker 1: especially because they just have such a gluttony of or

491
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Speaker 1: a glut of a young town.

492
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Speaker 2: I keep using gluttony. It's just glut. It's just glut.

493
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Speaker 1: But so many young hitters, and they're dying to bring

494
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Speaker 1: these guys up, like they are begging for a way

495
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Speaker 1: to bring Kobe.

496
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Speaker 2: Mayo up onto his roster to play every single day.

497
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Speaker 1: Heston Curse. Dad was drafted to second overall in twenty

498
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Speaker 1: twenty two. He's played like a total of like two

499
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty play appearance. Yeah, had some injury stuff,

500
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,960
Speaker 1: but they can't find a way to get him into

501
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Speaker 1: the lineup. They are probably gonna push out Cedric Mullins

502
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Speaker 1: at some point because Colton Cowser could take over in center.

503
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 1: Like it's it's a bizarre roster where they have so

504
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,679
Speaker 1: many good players now they're just trying to figure out

505
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Speaker 1: how to get them all on the team.

506
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Speaker 3: Kurse that probably also profiles as a first basement at

507
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Speaker 3: this point. I don't know if that's crazy if you say,

508
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Speaker 3: just based on where they are, where their outfield is

509
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Speaker 3: so getting rid of the Mountcastle for them helps.

510
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Speaker 4: Mountcastle is two years of team control. It does.

511
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Speaker 3: It makes so much sense on papers why I always

512
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Speaker 3: I ever, like killed you for this take. I was like,

513
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Speaker 3: I just don't know what makes sense for them, so

514
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 3: they This team also doesn't make very many trades at all.

515
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Speaker 4: The only real trade they.

516
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Speaker 3: Made years I mean it was the Trevor Rodgers trade.

517
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 3: It was the Ethlyne last year, the deadline when they're

518
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 3: trying to push them chips in and last off season

519
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 3: it was too close to major league bit ready prospects

520
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,159
Speaker 3: for one year of Corbyn Burns and that literally did

521
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 3: turnounced me. One year of Corbyn Burns. Like this front office,

522
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 3: led by Michael Lias, is just weird. Like they draft,

523
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,120
Speaker 3: they developed, they scout so well, but they don't make

524
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 3: They don't really do anything. They're kind of like that

525
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 3: guy in your dynasty league. I'm this guy some of

526
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 3: my dynasty leagues where it's just like I trust, but

527
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 3: I have in here like I don't know, I don't like.

528
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 3: Nothing that you have out there for me is helping

529
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Speaker 3: me get better right now. So I'm gonna stick with

530
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Speaker 3: my guys. But then with that, like this team's refusing

531
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Speaker 3: to spend money, they's got a new owner.

532
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Speaker 4: They're strange.

533
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Speaker 3: I think the I think the trade package that I'm

534
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Speaker 3: finding myself much more interested than it's starting to make

535
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Speaker 3: more sense than oddly I.

536
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Speaker 4: Think, Charlson, Yeah, they did yesterday.

537
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Speaker 2: I'm so confused.

538
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Speaker 4: I'm so what I'm saying.

539
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Speaker 3: You're saying they want to find spots for all these guys,

540
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Speaker 3: but I don't know how badly they do, Like they

541
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Speaker 3: keep bringing veterans, bringing veterans to kind of continue not

542
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 3: to actively block their young players, but to just like

543
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Speaker 3: make sure they're insulated against anything going wrong.

544
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Speaker 1: Can you have just so that Samael Besio doesn't have

545
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Speaker 1: to play cast. It's like they're trying to find every

546
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Speaker 1: possible way.

547
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Speaker 3: But this is what you do when you're a very

548
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Speaker 3: cheap organization that's scared of risk. You don't call it

549
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Speaker 3: these prospects unless they're mega ultra mondo superstars like Gunner

550
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,719
Speaker 3: Henderson and Jackson Holiday until you're twenty five, twenty six

551
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 3: years old, like Adlee Kurstaed calling Kowsers. Then you guarantee

552
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 3: that when you call a guy up and you get

553
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Speaker 3: him for six years, you get the prime, Like you

554
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 3: don't risk any key years to free agency, like you

555
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 3: hold like Jordan Westbrook. You hold these guys in the

556
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 3: minor leagues until they're one hundred percent ready the best

557
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 3: they can possibly be, and then you play them, so

558
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 3: you have to use stop gaps like Ryan o'hearnan and

559
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 3: Tyler O'Neal in the meantime until these guys are peak, primed,

560
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 3: ready to go. That's why when you guys see stats

561
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Speaker 3: for the Norfolk Norfolk Tides team, which used to be

562
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 3: the Mets team, now's the oil Striple A team. While

563
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 3: they're scoring like fourteen runs, eighteen runs, seventeen runs, the

564
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 3: whole line is twenty five years old.

565
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Speaker 4: They're murthering people.

566
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Speaker 3: They're better than the Marlins, like they were all former

567
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 3: college baseball standouts, and they're murthering Triple A pitching. It's

568
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 3: it's kind of ridiculous, but that's what they do. Like

569
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Speaker 3: Kobe Mayo might spend another half of the year in

570
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Speaker 3: the minor league. That's why I keep coming back to

571
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Speaker 3: a trade partner for the Mets in the San Diego Padres,

572
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Speaker 3: And I know what's unlikely is these teams line up

573
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Speaker 3: for a trade just because I don't think they like

574
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Speaker 3: each other very much and they are in direct competition

575
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Speaker 3: based on where the Padres roster is now. But the

576
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Speaker 3: Padres are one of I think it's five teams this

577
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Speaker 3: offseason to not spend a cent in free agency, and

578
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Speaker 3: it's the Padres, the Cardinals up. They just spend money.

579
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Speaker 3: They signed oh least as well three and a half

580
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Speaker 3: million dollars. Sorry, take them off the list catcher. So

581
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 3: but until then, it was the car It was the Padres,

582
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Speaker 3: the Cardinals, the Marlins, the Twins, and I don't remember

583
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Speaker 3: if it was one more team. But of those four teams.

584
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Speaker 4: Was the Brewers. I don't know if it was the Brewers.

585
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Speaker 4: It could have been the Brewers.

586
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Speaker 2: I feel like there was.

587
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Speaker 4: I think there was a fifth team. I can't remember

588
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Speaker 4: who it was.

589
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Speaker 2: I think I think it is the Brewer whatever, it doesn't.

590
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Speaker 3: Matter, whatever, I want to just get it one more

591
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Speaker 3: digging of the four teams I mentioned that I know

592
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Speaker 3: them spend money until the Padres signed the least he

593
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Speaker 3: is for one year three million dollars this week. Three

594
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Speaker 3: of those four teams made the playoffs in the last

595
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Speaker 3: two years. Only one that hadn't was the Cardinals. Amazing

596
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 3: well with the market organization, Miles made the playoffs since then,

597
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 3: but the Padres seem to be kind of circling a

598
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 3: toilet bowl here, and like they have to do something

599
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Speaker 3: if they want us to stay in competition for the

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Speaker 3: next few years.

601
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Speaker 1: They have like they have no money, and they have

602
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Speaker 1: the most top heavy roster without a doubt in Major

603
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: League Baseball, where you have like Fernandez, Tatist, Jackson, Merrill,

604
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: Manny Machado, and then like right now projected they're gonna

605
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: be playing like Tirso or Nellas, Eggie, Rosario, Elias Diaz

606
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: gonna be in this line. Their bench has guys like

607
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Speaker 1: Mike Brosso, who I forgot existed. Shout out to him

608
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: fretting that home run off for rold As Chapman during

609
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Speaker 1: the COVID playoffs. Brandon Lockridge, Tyler Wade. I mean, like

610
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Speaker 1: this roster is so bizarre. Even on the pitching side,

611
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Speaker 1: Joe Musk grows out for the year, so you're gonna

612
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Speaker 1: see Randy Vasquez getting like one hundred and fifty innings

613
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Speaker 1: possibly in this rotation. They are in such a weird

614
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: spot where their owners are the ownership family is fighting

615
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Speaker 1: between the brother and the wife of the Peter Sidler

616
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: who passed away last year. They want the brother I

617
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: think wants to sell the team and the wife I

618
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 1: think wants to keep it.

619
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Speaker 2: They were one of the wants to spend money. One

620
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Speaker 2: of them doesn't. Michael King is a free agent at

621
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Speaker 2: the end of the year. He would be a legit

622
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: impact arm for this rotation.

623
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Speaker 1: I me and you have talked off the podcast about

624
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: how nasty and disgusting that Michael King is.

625
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: He's a very unique picture.

626
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: Similar to how Jake arieta throw threw across his body

627
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: and is able to win a Cy Young Award in Chicago.

628
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: Michael King does a lot of similar things with maybe

629
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Speaker 1: even better stuff. He is someone who seems like is

630
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Speaker 1: available and maybe this is the time for the Mets

631
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Speaker 1: to kind of push forward those pieces guys like Drew Gilbert,

632
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: guys that are not really a part of the future

633
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: plan exactly at this moment for a guy like Michael King,

634
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: who could take this team to the next level.

635
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Speaker 3: Yeah, King is King. I think is one of the

636
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 3: most fascinating pictures in baseball. I wrote about him and

637
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 3: like a like a series of breakout pictures I did

638
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: for Rover the World this offseason. He's kind of like

639
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: the most audacious starting pitcher in baseball because his command

640
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 3: is so audacious, is bold, like in your face, Like

641
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 3: he's like, that's it. Like, who I'm trying to think

642
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: of something that's audacious, Like someone walks up to the

643
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 3: bar just starts like spitting facts. That'd be audacious, but

644
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 3: like also a little bit intrusive at most. But the

645
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 3: way the King does audacious ship is that he he

646
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Speaker 3: just he he has such good command that he could

647
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 3: do such stupid things to batters and they can't really

648
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: do anything about him. As you guys see the shadows

649
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Speaker 3: move behind me, and I.

650
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Speaker 2: Was like, what's happening?

651
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Speaker 3: King against left handed batteries last year? You know, his

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Speaker 3: most thrown pitch was first pitch, first pitch, most thrown,

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Speaker 3: first pitch of it.

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Speaker 2: That bat left handed batters.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's kings are ready, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Is it gonna be a sinker?

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Speaker 4: It's a back door sweeper.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, crazy, And his most throne put away pitch to

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Speaker 3: the lefties was a front door sinker. So he was

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Speaker 3: he would he would do the front hip sinkers. Nick

661
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Speaker 3: pol was them like he's throwing it at your hip

662
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Speaker 3: and it's cutting back into the lower corner of the plate,

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Speaker 3: and he would just he would be so disgusting doing

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Speaker 3: this stuff. He also had he had really struggled with

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Speaker 3: his fastball early in the year. Last year, as he

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Speaker 3: fully moved from the bullpen to the rotation, he figured

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Speaker 3: out the locations of those again. The sweep are still amazing,

668
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Speaker 3: the sinker is amazing. The front hip it was so

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Speaker 3: crazy read I wrote about him on him on Rode

670
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Speaker 3: the World. But he's he's just Pittre truthfully, and not

671
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Speaker 3: even just him as a one year deal didn't. Cease

672
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Speaker 3: also is expiring at the end of the season. Apparently Cease, though,

673
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Speaker 3: is someone that they want much more expensive for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is kind of funny because they're both really good,

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Speaker 1: and you can make the argument that Michael King was

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Speaker 1: better last year, which is interesting.

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Speaker 3: I was about to make the argument that Michael King

678
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Speaker 3: is better right now, maybe not even better, but at

679
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Speaker 3: least more reliable because Cease. And we saw this firsthand

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Speaker 3: with the Mets, where weirdly we got to Cease a

681
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Speaker 3: lot last year, and the whole thing was Ceases that

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Speaker 3: if you can, if you can knock him off his

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Speaker 3: rocker a little bit of his fastball, because he's even

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Speaker 3: though he's almost thirty years old, he's still a two

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Speaker 3: pitch pitcher. He's never really kind of picked up the

686
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Speaker 3: pitch ability that pitchers get as they get older. They

687
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Speaker 3: try to figure out because usually you keep getting older,

688
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 3: you'll lose some zip on the fastball and the slider

689
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Speaker 3: that makes you so good. Sees hasn't lost any zip.

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Speaker 3: Cease is kind of like the he's he's like the

691
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Speaker 3: hipster version of Hunter Green, where the fastball and slider

692
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Speaker 3: is so damn good. He plays in such a great park,

693
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Speaker 3: but when they're on, it's like it's ridiculous. But we

694
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Speaker 3: saw those times the Mets last year and he loses

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Speaker 3: his own with that fastball, and then he just starts

696
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Speaker 3: trying to fill up his own with sliders, Like there's

697
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Speaker 3: what are you gonna do about that? Like you're just

698
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Speaker 3: gonna start sitting slyder and dominating him. And his commanded

699
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Speaker 3: is so bad that have is a lot we're king.

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Speaker 3: Like I just mentioned, he has so many weapons. He's

701
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Speaker 3: got the change up, he's got the sinker, he's got sweepers,

702
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Speaker 3: he's got the fastball. He does so many different things.

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Speaker 3: He can put all those pitches in his own or

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Speaker 3: throw all those pitches for whists, Like you get into

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Speaker 3: the box against Michael King, it's very uncomfortable at bat,

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Speaker 3: whether it's on the right side of the left side

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Speaker 3: of the plate, and if he's cheaper than Dylan sees,

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Speaker 3: that's something you pounce on, especially when, like you said,

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Speaker 3: the Padres want near major league ready young players, like

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Speaker 3: something like Drew Gilbert Mauricio, like has that that far away?

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Speaker 3: Like maybe we're overrating those guys. I mean Gilbert, I

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Speaker 3: think it's fallen down of Pagan. I think that's known

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Speaker 3: in the industry, and Mariso's hurt, but like that's probably

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Speaker 3: a point where a phone call is answered.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that would make it weird with Mauricio

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Speaker 1: being that they just have like a million all the

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Speaker 1: fielders signed for a million years. So maybe not Mauricio,

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Speaker 1: but like maybe it's a Gilbert, Maybe it's a picture

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Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna say Brandon Sprout obviously because I'd

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Speaker 1: be way too much.

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Speaker 2: But like.

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Speaker 3: Six picture, do you know who actually is the one

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Speaker 3: who actually gets is steal done?

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Speaker 4: It's over? But I don't know if I'm okay with it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Chet Williams because do you want or is Louise

727
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Speaker 3: on Helicunya because they want someone that can play shortstop.

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Speaker 3: They're not comfortable with Toatiasse there anymore. They don't want

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Speaker 3: Billuarts there anymore.

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Speaker 2: They're they're gonna rock bow guards.

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Speaker 3: I think they are comfortable with him at shortstop. I

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Speaker 3: think the plan is to do it this year, but

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's they want to do in perpetuity.

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Speaker 3: Thirty three year olds and their boguards there and another

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Speaker 3: part of the next ten years.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they have a choice.

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Speaker 3: I think he's gonna place the last second base because

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Speaker 3: another part of this deal is that they would love

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Speaker 3: to get out of either the one year for fourteen

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Speaker 3: million dollars they old Luis Rias or the what like

741
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Speaker 3: seven more years on Jake Cronerworth's contract, Like they have

742
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Speaker 3: signed some horrible deals. Again, the Rise's one year, fourteen million.

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Speaker 3: But there's a world where you can take back one

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Speaker 3: of those guys and you can lower the cost of this.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: They signed through twenty thirty. What the fuck?

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Speaker 3: Isn't like they signed him to a ridiculous deal when

748
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Speaker 3: he had a few good seasons. I think Ronath also

749
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Speaker 3: is he's a good bye player. Yeah, but he'll like

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Speaker 3: Jake cronerworth objectively.

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Speaker 1: Thirty seven when he hits free agency. How did they

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Speaker 1: sign that contract?

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Speaker 4: What going? He's going to retire when that happens.

754
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Speaker 3: But like someone like this is mess is going to

755
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Speaker 3: get This is gonna be one of the scream and

756
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Speaker 3: meeting the car radio things like if you can take

757
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Speaker 3: back Luise a Rise in this deal, you can probably

758
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Speaker 3: lessen the cost of Michael King to pay Luisa Rise

759
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Speaker 3: fourteen million dollars for one year, and it would the

760
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Speaker 3: memes would be amazing, the takes that would swing back

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Speaker 3: and forth MS community from you especially. But the one

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Speaker 3: year deal for Luis a ri Is to come along

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Speaker 3: with Michael King, another former Yankees, the rotation, it would

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Speaker 3: be blissful. But I just don't know if because I

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Speaker 3: just think don't think Drew Gilbert has to shine right

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Speaker 3: now as like a premier corner outfield prospect, which the

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Speaker 3: Padres actually do need very badly, so then it becomes

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Speaker 3: shortstopped that's the other thing they need allegedly. So I

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Speaker 3: just I wonder if the Mets would actually be willing

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Speaker 3: to part part ways one of the high end, higher

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Speaker 3: end prospects, either Jet or a Kunya probably step behind,

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Speaker 3: but the Kunya gets push step Ahad because he supposed

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Speaker 3: to contribute to the major league team this year.

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Speaker 2: I also say this, we know aj Preler is obsessed

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Speaker 2: with twitchy players obsessed, so it might not necessarily take

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Speaker 2: one of the top names. Maybe it's some guys a

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Speaker 2: little bit lower that are like ridiculously twitchy. I don't

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Speaker 2: know who those guys.

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Speaker 4: That's Mauricio.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it is the Mauricio fit then, And I

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Speaker 1: think for a Mets team that is pretty crowded right now,

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Speaker 1: he got to pull the trigger on that. Getting Michael

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Speaker 1: King on this team would change a lot of things

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Speaker 1: just for this team in general.

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Speaker 3: I'll say something crazy too, like if the Mets were

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Speaker 3: to trade, like just in our fantasy world, in our

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Speaker 3: world of hypotheticals, Rodney and Mauricio to the Padres, he

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Speaker 3: probably don't just be the starting left field or an

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Speaker 3: opening day ed j probably will be like pick up

790
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Speaker 3: the glove, get out there in shack flies like you're

791
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Speaker 3: too you're too good not to be able to do

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Speaker 3: this really well. But that's probably how it lines up. Again,

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Speaker 3: Still an awkward fit. The way that the top of

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Speaker 3: the Mets farm system looks right now doesn't lead themselves

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Speaker 3: super well to trades like this. And I also it

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Speaker 3: just doesn't fit David Stearns to go after a one

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Speaker 3: year rental like Michael King like this, Like that's what's

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Speaker 3: kind of stopping me too, because also you have a

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Speaker 3: chance to resign the guy. And again he like, that's

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Speaker 3: a move that super elevates this team. And there's plenty

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Speaker 3: of you can get back at first base and pretty

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Speaker 3: easily in that deal if you really want to help

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Speaker 3: help yourself with the costs. I don't know, there's there's

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Speaker 3: there's ways to pull this off. And I think it's

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Speaker 3: it's really interesting to think about this one because I

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Speaker 3: think Michael King is that a pitcher where he can

807
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Speaker 3: he can take over a team, he could take over series,

808
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Speaker 3: he can like he.

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Speaker 4: Is that he's that good. He really is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean context for everybody at home before he

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Speaker 1: wrap this up. Michael King last year one hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy innings, two point ninety five VRRA whip at one

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Speaker 1: point one to nine, finished seventh in the Cy Young voting.

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Speaker 1: He was simply one of the best pitchers in the

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Speaker 1: National League. And that's also while pitching in one of

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Speaker 1: the toughest divisions in the National League in terms of offense,

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Speaker 1: where you got the Dodgers and the Diamondbacks and even

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Speaker 1: the Giants last year hit the ball a little better.

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Speaker 3: And his ERA was over five on May first last year,

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Speaker 3: and his walks for nine were also over five, and

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Speaker 3: he gave up ten home runs his first thirty six innings,

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Speaker 3: and he pitched so well the rest of the year

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Speaker 3: that that's what happened.

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Speaker 4: He was ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: But I also would love the twinge of irony for

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Speaker 3: one so though, and Michael King to be on the same.

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Speaker 4: Team, that would be awesome. That'd be really fun to watch.

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Speaker 3: But like it's it's we're getting to that point in

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Speaker 3: the offseason now we're like it's hard to figure out

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Speaker 3: what's real and what's fake.

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Speaker 4: But I'd love to talk through it all.

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Speaker 1: Still, Yeah, one hundred percent, And if there's anything new

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Speaker 1: that comes up, James will fire up the camera out

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Speaker 1: in Thailand and we will.

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Speaker 2: Get you guys an episode.

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Speaker 1: We're pushing back the Lance Brasdowski won two next week

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Speaker 1: as of right now, just because we have a ton

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Speaker 1: of stuff that happened this week and we want to

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Speaker 1: keep it topical.

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Speaker 2: And lands to the pitching stuff lives forever.

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Speaker 1: It's evergreen, so keep an eye out for that next

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