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Speaker 1: But now I see it as his mission, like he

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Speaker 1: I sometimes listen to my old stuff and I go, RAPI,

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Speaker 1: every point, I just yeah, baby, So you know, it's

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Speaker 1: just my way of enjoying every single day. Joy is

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Speaker 1: not something to be postponed ever. I love a great comeback.

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Speaker 1: Story plays a way of life. Really, it's an intelligence

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Speaker 1: and a way of life. And I actually think, um

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Speaker 1: that as we grow older, we're not meant to lose play.

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Speaker 1: I think we're actually meant to deepen our faculties in it.

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Speaker 1: Next time on Finding Raffie, you know, are you only

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Speaker 1: just gonna remember me for my six little ducks and

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Speaker 1: apples and bananas and baby Buluga? That you're gonna look

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Speaker 1: at my second career, my child honoring work. What about

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Speaker 1: my thirty years as a climate activist? Will you take

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Speaker 1: a look at all this music and advocacy activism? Will

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Speaker 1: you see the coherence in it? The Earth and child link.

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Speaker 1: Finding Raffi is a production of My Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: Fatherly in partnership with Rococo Punch. It's produced by Catherine Finalosa,

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Speaker 1: Meredith Hannig, and James Trout. Production assistance from Charlotte Livingston

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Speaker 1: Alex French is our story consultant. Our senior producer is

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Speaker 1: Andrea Swahee. Emily Foreman is our editor. Fact checking by

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Speaker 1: Andrea Lopez Crusade. M raph E's music is courtesy of

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Speaker 1: Troubadour Music Special thanks to Kim Layton at Troubadour. Our

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Speaker 1: executive producers are Jessica Albert and John Parotti at Rococo,

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Speaker 1: punch Ty Trimble, Mike Rothman and Jeff Eisenman at Fatherly

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Speaker 1: and Me. Chris Garcia, thank you for listening. Your name

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Speaker 1: is probably the most fun friendly name you can have

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Speaker 1: rap because it rhymes with daffy. That could be it