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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Casual Chaos.

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Speaker 1: This week, I have two very exciting guests. It's been

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Speaker 1: a long time coming. COO Joe and DM Melissa. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Casual Chaos.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so impressed with you. I came in here,

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Speaker 3: I saw you in your office and doing your thing.

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Speaker 2: It's very emotional look in this room.

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Speaker 4: Yes, thank you. I think I'm very proud of you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, like you're doing amazing. Everything you're doing is great.

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Speaker 2: So somebody did something right along the way, Gia.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you guys. I mean, this is such a

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Speaker 1: surreal moment. I think it's been a long time coming,

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Speaker 1: and everyone is always so invested I think in our

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Speaker 1: relationship and how we have come such a long way.

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Speaker 1: Going back to the beginning, what was I like as

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Speaker 1: a kid?

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Speaker 4: Ooh, you were first of one. You came out with

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Speaker 4: these little beautiful blue eyes. You were gorgeous. That's all

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Speaker 4: your soul was your eyes.

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Speaker 3: And you always were always were entertaining and talkful, and

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Speaker 3: and you had.

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Speaker 4: A lot to say. You did.

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Speaker 3: You always were involved in everything, and you knew you

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Speaker 3: were very smart as a little girl, very smart and

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Speaker 3: beautiful and look at you now. Yeah, it really it

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Speaker 3: all came together, It really did, I.

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Speaker 1: Think, showing like a relationship. I always spoke about how

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Speaker 1: when I was little, I looked at you as I

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Speaker 1: think like gold right, dear Melissa. I looked at him

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Speaker 1: like he was the best person in the world. And

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Speaker 1: that trickled into obviously as I was older. But how

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Speaker 1: was I as a little kids.

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Speaker 2: So I met you you were three, and I went

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Speaker 2: to your you were two, actually, because I came to

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Speaker 2: your third birthday, so outgoing. You were just such an outgoing,

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Speaker 2: talkative little girl, like you were not shy at all.

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Speaker 2: There was not a shy bone in your body. You

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Speaker 2: were super friendly, like outgoing. But you were absolutely obsessed

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Speaker 2: with your uncle, which that's a normal thing. It's almost

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Speaker 2: like little girls almost like fall in love like with

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Speaker 2: their dads sometimes or their uncles. And you were definitely

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Speaker 2: in love with your with your z Joe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I came in and I was young at the time,

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Speaker 2: I was only twenty four years old, and you were

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Speaker 2: kind of like many who weery you and you used

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Speaker 2: to get mad if I sat, like because I when

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Speaker 2: we were first together, I feel like we were you know.

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Speaker 2: We were very like touchy feely.

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Speaker 1: And it's so funny because I don't remember this.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, if I sat on his lap, geo, oh,

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Speaker 2: you would growl at me, like but you loved me.

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Speaker 2: It was weird as long as I wasn't next to him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So it was like if I sat on his lap

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Speaker 2: and I'd be like this, you'd be like like like

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Speaker 2: taking him from me, yes, like the faces you used

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Speaker 2: to give me when you were little. But then if

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Speaker 2: I would just play with you alone, you were like,

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Speaker 2: you'd be like, come on, let's we'd play model. We

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Speaker 2: had like a camera once we were doing photos. I

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Speaker 2: remember it like it was yesterday, and you would be fine.

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Speaker 2: But if I went near him, I was like, is

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Speaker 2: everyone obsessed with Joe in this family? Like what is

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Speaker 2: going on? I'm like, my name's Melissa. Nice to me,

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Speaker 2: you guys, I'm his girlfriend. It was just like everyone

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Speaker 2: was obsessed with you. I couldn't go near you.

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Speaker 4: Tah. She would come home she was like, gee, was

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Speaker 4: so mean to me today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I used to just be like there would be like

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Speaker 2: one or two times I'm like, she doesn't like me,

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Speaker 2: and she's so cute, But I know she doesn't like me,

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Speaker 2: like she doesn't want me to go near you. He's like,

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Speaker 2: she's in love with me.

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Speaker 1: It's okay.

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Speaker 3: I was in love with her too. How you were

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Speaker 3: our first baby and her whole fan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have pictures of you all over our house,

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Speaker 2: like when I first met him as a single, you

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Speaker 2: had pictures of her everywhere like she was your daughter.

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Speaker 3: I would work, I would work late because I was

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Speaker 3: worked late, and I just shoot over at night just

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Speaker 3: to have a little you know, your mother would cook

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Speaker 3: for me and I just eat something to see you

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Speaker 3: before you went to bed.

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Speaker 4: That's that's the relationship we had.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's why it was like so instilled,

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Speaker 1: and maybe that's why I was so protective as a

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Speaker 1: little girl. But that's so funny. It's normal.

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Speaker 2: It's normal a lot of like little girls go crazy.

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Speaker 4: It was funny. She wanted to cut your heart out.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, that's day I cried. That was

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Speaker 2: the only day I cried. I don't want to embarrass you.

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Speaker 2: Who cares? You were three? No, I was holding me

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Speaker 2: to say a little. He said something to me once.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh Joe.

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Speaker 1: What did I say?

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Speaker 2: You're just so you know you had a Millennia moment,

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Speaker 2: which you're not. You weren't really like you were. You

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Speaker 2: and Malania are definitely the most outgoing.

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 2: She would definitely say crazier things than you would, for sure,

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Speaker 2: but you definitely like, I don't know, you said something

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Speaker 2: once and I was like, I cried on the way home.

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Speaker 1: Wait, that's terrible.

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Speaker 2: No, it's okay. I'm like now, I'm fine.

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Speaker 1: Like now, so I was unless how was it transitioning

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Speaker 1: into our family?

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Speaker 2: It was amazing.

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Speaker 4: With the Italian parents, you know what?

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Speaker 2: It was just it was like a little you know,

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Speaker 2: as you know, I'm very tight with my family, my

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Speaker 2: sisters and you guys were tight too. It was just

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Speaker 2: it was just different. I can't explain it. And then

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Speaker 2: when I heard like other girls he dated had issues too,

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Speaker 2: it made me feel better because I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: no one was getting accepted. It's not just me.

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Speaker 1: It was literally like no one was good enough for Theodora.

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Speaker 1: I know it was good enough.

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Speaker 2: It was really good aund me.

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Speaker 1: Oh literally, literally third time.

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Speaker 2: Was the I thank god, third times a charm right

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Speaker 2: they say that, And now that I have two boys,

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Speaker 2: though I understand, I did, I like I understand a

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Speaker 2: little bit, and I put it in my head like, okay, Melissa,

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Speaker 2: because you know already when Gino or Joe we talk

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Speaker 2: about girls, I'm like, what is she?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What's that?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Who's that girl? So I get it now that I

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Speaker 2: have sons that you want to be like you're obsessed.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was. It was fun meeting your family,

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Speaker 2: but it was different obviously, you know, no no, not

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Speaker 2: your average no no. So he would say things and

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Speaker 2: do things that were amazing and touch my heart all

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Speaker 2: the time. And then he would say things. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: am I supposed to get mad at that? Like, you know,

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Speaker 2: like he'd say things he would say to the waitress.

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh my god, it's normal, like.

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Speaker 1: When we're like sitting at any time we would go

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Speaker 1: out to dinner, and especially hibachi. Oh my god, never

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Speaker 1: take no note to have I couldn't even oh my god.

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Speaker 1: It was it was mortifying. Like he would be sitting

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Speaker 1: the shrimp and the.

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Speaker 2: Chair, No, stop it too much, and you're.

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Speaker 4: Saying this around.

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Speaker 1: And you're literally like grasping your chair like I've been.

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Speaker 2: He told somebody like the salt on it. Like I

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Speaker 2: was like, it's okay, He'll just take a new one. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's my interesting.

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Speaker 1: You can't take them out to dinner now.

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Speaker 2: He's the best cook in the world. I mean he doesn't,

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Speaker 4: That's old school Italians. Man.

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Speaker 3: It was just they really were the best. They just

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Speaker 4: They were awesome. Yeah, but they were good, good hearted,

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Speaker 4: but they told you how it was.

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Speaker 1: They were funny, definitely. Since I was young, I kind

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Speaker 1: of like have been having trouble remembering what our family

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Speaker 1: was like prior to the show, Like how often did

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Speaker 1: we see each other? How close did we live? Like

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Speaker 1: I really don't remember. It's so weird how you kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you were so young, we were together a lot, right,

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Speaker 3: we always we always hung out.

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Speaker 4: I went to vacation a lot.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: We used to on vacation with Kathy and Richie. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and it would be like the six of us would

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Speaker 2: go on vacation together.

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Speaker 1: So you guys did a lot of couples vacations.

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Speaker 2: We did couples vacations with your your saying, with your Mom. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we I think we went twice to Puntakana and we

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Speaker 2: Uh. And then I feel like we definitely went by

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Speaker 2: your house. We would go buy your house, like maybe

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Speaker 2: once a week to heat or something. Don't forget. My

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Speaker 2: I spent more time with his family. I would keep

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Speaker 2: trying to go. I would go hang out with you

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Speaker 2: guys on a Sunday opposed to driving down the shore

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Speaker 2: on a Sunday of course, so unless it was summer,

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Speaker 2: then we were always down the shore. Yeah, that's kind

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Speaker 2: of how we did it. In the winter, we went

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Speaker 2: by you guys. In the summer, we saw my family

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Speaker 2: and we moved.

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Speaker 4: We moved from frank Lace to maville'll be close to

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Speaker 2: Yes, And we also found an incredible lot that your

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Speaker 2: mother lives on the street, you know, where you guys lived.

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Speaker 2: We loved that it was an empty lot there and

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Speaker 2: the houses were so beautiful that we were like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: No, definitely, I think I because I asked Mom that

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Speaker 1: same question today and she was like, well, because I

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Speaker 1: told my brother, you got to look at the pond.

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Speaker 1: It's so beautiful. The houses are amazing. Yes. Have we

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Speaker 1: ever had a family trip together with the kids?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We used to go as couples. Okay, yeah, we never

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Speaker 2: did with the kids because first of all, they were

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Speaker 2: so I didn't have kids when I first met you. Guys,

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Speaker 2: don't forget you know, so there was really just you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: when I first it was only you. So we might

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Speaker 2: have just brought you maybe once, but there was no

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Speaker 2: other kids when I first came around.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well that needs to be planned. We need to

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Speaker 1: know fam. Yes, that would be fair.

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Speaker 2: Have we ever know, right?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. That's why I was trying to think.

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Speaker 4: And I really vacation.

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Speaker 2: I feel like vacation. I feel like just you maybe.

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Speaker 4: One what do you bagels?

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Speaker 1: You're talking about like an RV an RV. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I want to go on a plane.

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Speaker 2: still gonna be Yeah.

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00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,360
Speaker 4: It's like I'm different now. I'm very calm, cool, old.

441
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,360
Speaker 1: It's like you hill now. But I mean so that's

442
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,120
Speaker 1: what Mom says too. She's like, I don't I can't

443
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,640
Speaker 1: deal with this'. I'm like, yeah, the stress is gonna

444
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 1: kill you. You need to chill out.

445
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 2: Can you please tell I always get shocked when she

446
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 2: reads it. I'm like, I can't believe you pushed the

447
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,199
Speaker 2: button and read it like half of its AI.

448
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: Well that's the problem now. AI is confusing her confusing.

449
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 2: Like I literally get shot to this, damn like and

450
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 2: she gets mad when she reads something. She's mad she

451
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 2: would you believe?

452
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 1: Riles her up.

453
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, Teresa, you're gonna have a heart attack,

454
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,959
Speaker 2: go like do your like, where's Lily go get a

455
00:20:59,000 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 2: glass of wine.

456
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 4: I talk to her every time. What matter like this

457
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 4: little old Tinian, little old lady.

458
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 2: Oh she's so. She really is so old school.

459
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 1: She said, you called her non on the other guy. Yeah,

460
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 1: well no she didn't. She didn't mind it. She goes,

461
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, my brother called me my mother. And I'm like, okay,

462
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 1: and she was, it's fine.

463
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 2: I can talk to your mom easier, believe it or not.

464
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 2: Your mother. One day she said to me, you gotta know,

465
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: like a Teresa Teresa, she like, you have a conversation

466
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 2: like at thirteen, you know, so don't get mad when

467
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: she says something a little stupid. Sometimes it's okay, like

468
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 2: she doesn't mean it. Don't get mad at her. And

469
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, you know, it's just brush under

470
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 2: the like what's going on around here? Like I mean,

471
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 2: but to know everyone is to love them, that's the thing,

472
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 2: because it's like everyone has great hearts. It's just like delivery.

473
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: It's always delivery. And when you come from different places

474
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: in life.

475
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it's all getting used to do you

476
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: guys feel if it weren't for the show, that the

477
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: family feuds wouldn't have happened.

478
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 4: I don't know.

479
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, because did you see the way he

480
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: acted it that like he obviously had a lot of

481
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: he was not I was okay. I don't think she was.

482
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 4: There was some turmoil in between the family.

483
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 3: But you know, I don't like, I don't want to

484
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 3: get like I don't want to want to talk about

485
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 3: I don't want to get back into that.

486
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 4: But it's gone. But maybe maybe not. Maybe the show

487
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 4: did escalate it a little bit.

488
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 3: More, obviously because we are on national TV and everybody

489
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 3: is in our business.

490
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: And I think instigator besides the christening, there were all

491
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 1: the rest of these like meaningless fights were instigated by

492
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 1: a lot of people.

493
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 4: I'm always a type.

494
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 3: I was always a type that I kept my mouth

495
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 3: shut and I just took it all that took it,

496
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 3: took it all in, and.

497
00:22:59,119 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 4: I don't like to argue.

498
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 3: I don't like to fight, so I just and what

499
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 3: happens is there's a moment where I would explode because

500
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: so many years.

501
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 4: But that's not good. It's not the way to be.

502
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 4: You have to there's something on your mind, let it out,

503
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 4: talk about it.

504
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 3: It's better to tell people. But I'd rather when I

505
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 3: used to hold it all in.

506
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 4: I don't like to argument, but it's.

507
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: Well, it was the way they kind of taught us.

508
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, which is which, well no not?

509
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 4: My sister tell you what are you wearing? What is that?

510
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: You know, I'm like scared because I feel like when

511
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: your mom listened, because you know, like I feel like

512
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: when she listens to this, she's like, I don't like

513
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: this that you guys said. I don't like that. I'm like, you,

514
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: you're stressing me out. You're taking the blame this.

515
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: Whatever, this is cute, whatever we take. You know, she

516
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: like admits it. I know I read her through these questions.

517
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: She was far from you.

518
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: She was so you did.

519
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was fine. I'm like, don't she and even

520
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: like you'll say, I'll tell you the one she laughed about.

521
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: So another reconciliation obviously happened before mom went to prison.

522
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: How did you guys feel about where we stood as

523
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: a family when all of that was going on with

524
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: my mom and dad?

525
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: I mean devastating, I mean it was, it was.

526
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 4: It was horrible.

527
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: It was one of the worst experiences of my life.

528
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: I remember pulling up to the to the to the

529
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 3: big road to go up there and just throw a

530
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 3: crying as soon as I pulled in there and I

531
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 3: was waiting on the line, and I saw my sister

532
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: through the glass door waiting there with that green aphid

533
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: on it.

534
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 4: It was just rough.

535
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: And every day, like I just had to talk about

536
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 3: this with your mother, And I said, every day when

537
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 3: you were away, wasn't I wasn't happy.

538
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 4: My sister's in prison. You know, you could imagine how

539
00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 4: your parents felt.

540
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 3: Is that that's how we felt you as a parent,

541
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 3: how would you feel with your daughters?

542
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: Right?

543
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 3: A Lot's how I felt as a brother, helpless, couldn't

544
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 3: do anything. You know, you're just in there, and you

545
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: know she was angry.

546
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 4: Also. It's hard. It was hard to talk to her.

547
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 4: It was hard to like get close to her because

548
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 4: of what happened. And you have to I have to

549
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 4: understand that, and I do.

550
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: I never I don't blame her for that, you know,

551
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: because no one can blame her for that, because that

552
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: was devastating.

553
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 4: So it was hard. I mean it's hard for you too.

554
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 4: We were we were you know, we're not happy.

555
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 2: I remember crying in the shower, like just thinking about yeah,

556
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: I can't like and I don't even know if we

557
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 2: were good at that point, to be honest, and I

558
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: was just you can never imagine someone you know like that, like,

559
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: no matter what anyone thinks. Her and I like, we

560
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: spent a lot of years together. I mean, we're together

561
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 2: a lot, so to to picture it, you're almost like

562
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: this is not real, Like you don't even believe that

563
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: it's real. It was depressing. We all had like a

564
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: like a you know, I'll never forget, which is kind

565
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: of funny. That reunion after we found out she was

566
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: gonna go to prison and we still had to record

567
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 2: one reunion before she was going. I think that I

568
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: think her and I were not good that year for

569
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 2: some reason. I have a feeling we weren't because I remember,

570
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 2: like it was yesterday, I was picking out my reunion dress,

571
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: and that's the reunion dress that I literally wore like

572
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: an Alison Olivia white like it was a bear or

573
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: like an Ivory color, plainest long sleeve. It looks like

574
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: something we would wear to dinner.

575
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: Okay, because I was like, I remember this, did you

576
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: slip back slick back hair, and literally and Alice and

577
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: Olivia like we could go to dinner in it, and opposed.

578
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,719
Speaker 2: To like how we normally dressed for the reunion, and

579
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't feel right dressing up putting

580
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: on a gown. It feels weird. And your mother walks

581
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 2: in in like a gown. I was like, oh, okay,

582
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: never mind. And I always giggle about that, which I

583
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: love that about her though, because I'm like, she's like,

584
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I'm good, like yes, like you're not going

585
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: to take me down. Meanwhile, I was like dressing for like,

586
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh no, I can't put on like a

587
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: glittery gown, and like I don't know why that Always.

588
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: I always giggled about that the day that she walked

589
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: into the reunion because I was like, okay, I'm wearing

590
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: Alice in Olivia wonderful, and like I was like wanted

591
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: it to I wanted to be like a little subtle

592
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: for her, just I don't know hers, but she she's

593
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: kind of like weird.

594
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: It's like out of respect.

595
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: It's like I was trying to be respectful and like

596
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: I'm not going to put a gown on. We just

597
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: found this information out or whatever it was she put

598
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: a gown on. I always think it's funny, you know,

599
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: but that's also her strength you.

600
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 4: Know, and by filming.

601
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 3: You know, Chrisha always says that it was so tough

602
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: on her filming.

603
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 4: She is all these years.

604
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 3: And it wasn't fun for her. But most of the time,

605
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: it wasn't fun for us. I mean we were going

606
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 3: through it too, you know, we really were. So whatever

607
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 3: my sister went.

608
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 4: Through, we went through. You know, it was hard. I mean,

609
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 4: you know, she is the sister. Well that was my blood,

610
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 4: but she is a sister. But she has a heart

611
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 4: of gold. You know, her family there's just so tight.

612
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 4: So when she says she would.

613
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: Cry herself in the shower, she's just sitting on the

614
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: couch or so start crying, you know, which is That's

615
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: why I always was close to my wife, because I

616
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 3: saw that she really had a heart. She cared, and

617
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: those times were so hard on the entire family. It's

618
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: not like, oh, my sister's in prison. How do you

619
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: go on every day thinking about that?

620
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 4: Even your dad same thing. You know, it was tough.

621
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 4: It was devastating.

622
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, you know, like we were talking

623
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: about that turmoil that we had in the beginning and

624
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: where we are today. People now see that you and

625
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: my father are good and I think that's what is

626
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: complicated about Italian families, I should say, because yes, there's

627
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: there could be so much hate at a point in time,

628
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: but there's also so much love. And we had talked

629
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: about and it was harder for me to also understand

630
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: at that point in time. But you're also entitled to

631
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: your own opinion and to your feelings, both of you are,

632
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: so at that point in time, you had every right

633
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: to be mad at my dad. I had every right

634
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: to Everyone had a right to be mad at my dad. Yeah,

635
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: and I looking back on it now, in that time,

636
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: even though I was so angry because I wanted to

637
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: be protective over him, you wanted to be protective over

638
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: your sister. So that's where it's like that double edged

639
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: sword where it's like you win, you can't win or lose. Well,

640
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: he couldn't hart with you, He couldn't win with.

641
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: No matter what he did, because he was going to

642
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: protect her. Then he had to say something bad about

643
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: your dad. Yeah, and if he was going to protect you, know,

644
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: so he could not win because he was either going

645
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: to defend his sister and your mother or he was

646
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: gonna call out your dad. So that's when you two fell.

647
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: Apart, because I don't think I was ready to hear

648
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: that yet, of course, And now obviously time has passed

649
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: and it's very understandable. Now I'm yes, and I'm older,

650
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: and I understand it where it's like, yeah, you've that

651
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: big time and you did do this to our family.

652
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: Do I feel like this was your intention? Of course not.

653
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: Do I see him struggle every day still, yes, exactly,

654
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: But do I now understand from a completely different perspective,

655
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: one hundred percent