1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: A production of Iheartrading, Hello and welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: My name is Noel. 6 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 3: Our colleague Matt is on adventures. Hopefully we'll send us 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: some photographs of him on a boat. He will be 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 3: returning soon. They call me Ben. We're joined as always 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 3: with our super producer Paul mission controlled decans. 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: Most importantly, you are you. You are here. 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Noel, 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 3: do you remember when we got we went through our 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 3: anti Catherra mechanism phase. 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 4: I think everyone had one of those, you know, right 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 4: next it's like Pokemon, POGs, Pokemon, and then an anti 16 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 4: Caatherra mechanism of like a historical precedent. 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: It's it's weird because history is full of incredibly strange things, 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: so much so that you and I made an entirely 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: different show all about ridiculous events, places, and people. 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: We're fans of the weird stuff. 21 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 4: Surely anti Caatherra mechanism has come up on ridiculous history 22 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 4: at some point or another if anyone needs a quick reminder, 23 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 4: just like a Bizarro device that seemingly way ahead of 24 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 4: its time. You know, historically that was discovered and no 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 4: one quite knew what it was for or what. 26 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: It did, and I believe the jury is still kind 27 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: of out. 28 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 4: It's almost like a I don't know what you might 29 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 4: picture like an Indiana Jones time travel relic, looking like 30 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 4: you know, in fact, if I'm not mistaken, isn't that 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 4: Wasn't that part of the plot for the current Indiana Jones, 32 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 4: isn't The Dial of Destiny as depicted sort of takes 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 4: some inspiration from the antiicate thera mechanism. 34 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: Hey, no one tells the legal department. Well, yeah, I 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: don't know if anybody holds the IP rights to this 36 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: bizarre ancient artifact. 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 4: But yeah, and there are other things like that too, 38 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 4: like what the Bagdad battery, Yes, the Bagdad battery, which 39 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 4: is very much a very much real thing, probably early 40 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 4: electro plating. 41 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: Uh. 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: We love this stuff, and our pal Matt loves it 43 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 3: as well. The idea of anachronistic artifacts the idea that 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: sometime in the past there was a technology that was 45 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 3: far far past the current state of technology today in 46 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 3: tonight's episode. Uh, we're fellow conspiracy realist NOL Mission Control 47 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: and I are going to solve or at least explore 48 00:02:54,639 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 3: a deep cut in the infamously controversial field of ancient aliens. 49 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 3: This is the story of the drop of Stones. 50 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: Here are the facts. 51 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 4: The earliest source for the dropa Stones is in an 52 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 4: article in Dan You're a big jerk? 53 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: Is this nonsense? 54 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 4: Here? I'm sorry, Ben's printed in the outline here and 55 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: I guess what is this Greek? 56 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: Russian? Maybe? Huh? Yeah, yeah, it's real, so real, like 57 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: it's an incredible script. 58 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 4: But it just hit me out of the blue, and 59 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 4: I'm just like, I just my brain logjamm, you did 60 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 4: helpfully include in parenthesies that it does translate to literatornia gazetta. 61 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry I called you a jerk. I 62 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: didn't mean it. You know, I love you now, It's fine. 63 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: You know me, I'm a dirtbag. 64 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: This was February ninth, nineteen sixty and in this article 65 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: they talked about the speculations of a guy named Matist 66 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 3: m Augrist. Pardon ar mispronunciations here. We are not native speakers. 67 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: He's he's a guy who was born in like nineteen fifteen, 68 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 3: who believes that aliens visited Earth in the distant past 69 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: and they left traces of their arrival. And this became 70 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 3: a breakout success. Like at first it just published. No 71 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: one really read it until a few years later in 72 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty two, and Nola, I'm going to lean on 73 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: you for this German pronunciation. There was a German magazine 74 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: that republished the story. 75 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 4: That's right, and it became like the I guess scientific 76 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 4: concept of the summer the way like we're having a 77 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 4: brat summer right now. 78 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: Whatever the song of the summer is. 79 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 4: This was the banger of the summer of sixty two, 80 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 4: when dos vegetariica universe sum here is the vegetarian universe. 81 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I don't mean to do like the heavy 82 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 4: it's just fine German. You're good, aggressive sounding. 83 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: You know it does it. It's just it's hard to 84 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: not say it without that oomph. 85 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 4: The Vegetarian Universe, which you could probably derive from from 86 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 4: the German itself, published this story in nineteen thirty seven. 87 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 4: As they described in nineteen sixty two, a man named 88 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: Chi Pooh Tie led an archaeological expedition into the Baiyonhar 89 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 4: Mountains in western China and discovered seven hundred and sixteen 90 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 4: granite discs with hieroglyphs or I guess, you know, run 91 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 4: like perhaps hieroglyph cryptograms, you know on these granite discs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 92 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 4: And they looked like they were made on purpose instead 93 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 4: of say, you know, the weathering or something right right. 94 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 3: Erosion on rocks or something. Someone or something appeared to 95 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 3: have carved stuff onto these discs the way that you 96 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: would lay a song into a record on vinyl. 97 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 98 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: Late later again, according to the story, later testing would 99 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: determine that these disc were created about twelve thousand years ago. 100 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 3: They vary in size. The biggest one is like a 101 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: foot in diameter, and all of them have these grooves 102 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: just like on a record in a double spiral that 103 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: originates from a hole in the center, and the hieroglyphs 104 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: apparently are discernible only with a magnifying class. It gets 105 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 3: even weirder because in the story, both in the original 106 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: Russian version and in the later German vegetarian version, the 107 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 3: disc are found near these maps of constellations, and there 108 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: are humanoid remains dude, something not quite homo sapien like 109 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 3: thin bodies, unusually large heads. Paul, can we get something 110 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: that sounds kind of like the X Files theme? 111 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: Oh? Man, you know it's funny already from the start. 112 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 4: I was hearkening back to about three days ago when 113 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 4: I started my full rewatch of The X Files, and 114 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 4: I realized, Ben, I had never seen the pilot before 115 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 4: that ever, And it deals with ancient alien any kind 116 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 4: of things, you know, from the very start, and I 117 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 4: believe there's a question posed or you know, when Moulder 118 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 4: and Scully first meet, and Scully's laying out her reasoning 119 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 4: for the notion that aliens probably don't exist or have 120 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 4: not made it to Earth, and it has to do 121 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 4: with the energy would take to traverse that kind of 122 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 4: distance and the reasoning behind it and all of that stuff. 123 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 4: But then within the span of one episode or maybe 124 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 4: a couple, she's on board on the belief train pretty quick. 125 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: One of the weirdest things about The X Files, which 126 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: is a fantastic series for the most part, one of 127 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: the weirdest things is how often people use the name Molder. 128 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 3: People say that guy's name way more often than you 129 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: would in normal conversation, so much so that just to 130 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: argue with information for your rewatch. We invented a drinking game. 131 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: Back one evening. We said, every time someone says molder unnecessarily, 132 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: then you know, take a sip or something. 133 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: And as a result of Scully a lot too. To 134 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: be fair, he does, he does. But we did the math. 135 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 3: They're scullies more molders, And it was so bad that 136 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: at the gosh somewhere in season three, I quit drinking alcohol, 137 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: and I didn't drink alcohol for a year because I 138 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: was worried about my health. If I had to, like, 139 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 3: that's how many molders there are? 140 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: Wow? 141 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess when you're living, when you're using the 142 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 4: drinking game, like in everyday life where you just watch 143 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 4: a lot of X files, I can't get out of hand. 144 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: Pretty quickly, no kidding, speaking of getting out of hand. 145 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 3: The original story here all right, after more than two 146 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 3: decades of work, So what did you say? 147 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 4: It was nineteen thirty seven. Nineteen thirty seven is when 148 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 4: the yes when they were discovered. 149 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so nineteen thirty seven. Fast forward twenty years 150 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: of work at something called the Academy of Prehistory in Beijing. 151 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: These Chinese archaeologists apparently managed to not only discern these hieroglyphs, 152 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 3: but also to translate them. And they say, all right, 153 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 3: here's the skinny. These stone discs we have found were 154 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: carved by aliens who crashed right there on the border 155 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: of China and Tibet. 156 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 4: Oh, so these are like the star maps that we're 157 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 4: talking about. Or is that the it's like their record 158 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 4: of what happened, you know, the way that the way 159 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 4: that someone stranded on a desert island marks the time 160 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 4: off on the wall or whatever text days are in prison. 161 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 4: I guess I just the spiral configuration is interesting to me. 162 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 4: I wonder like you mentioned the idea of like grooves 163 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 4: on a record, which immediately makes me think, is this 164 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 4: some sort of was there potentially a device to decode 165 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 4: this beyond what's just on there on the surface, there's 166 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 4: actually some embedded hidden message in there? 167 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 2: Pretty cool? I like where your head's at. Uh. 168 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: There's a guy who publishes, according to the story, all 169 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: of this translation. His name is sum um Nui. And 170 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: when he publishes this, all right, here's the idea. He says, 171 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 3: we've decoded the hieroglyphics. We're learning an alien spacecraft crashed 172 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 3: as you said in this region in western China twelve 173 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: thousand years ago, and he says, the occupants call themselves 174 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: the Dropa or the Zopa, and they couldn't repair their spacecraft. 175 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 3: They tried to adapt to Earth environments, but they couldn't 176 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 3: do it, and local human tribes hunted them down and 177 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: essentially ended them, killed most of them. The skeletons, with 178 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: unusually large heads and thin bodies, were pretty short, and 179 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: apparently they intermarried, according to this translation, with the human population, 180 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 3: so you couldn't tell whether who was a human versus 181 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: who was an alien versus who was a human alien hybrid. 182 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 3: When this guy publishes this, everybody thinks his ideas are trash, 183 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 3: So the story goes soon leaves for Japan, he exiles himself, 184 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 3: and he dies shortly after under mysterious circumstances, well and. 185 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 4: Presumably shamed, you know, feeling like having been sort of 186 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 4: pilloried in this way, right, Yeah. 187 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 3: In nineteen sixty six, Russian magazine called Sputnik republishes this story. 188 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: This time the author byline is a guy named Vyaschislav Zatsiev, 189 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: and Zetziev adds some more details to the mix, and 190 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 3: he says, look after this stuff was found in China. 191 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: These disc a lot of them were shipped off to 192 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: Moscow and Soviet researchers discovered You'll love the story. Soviet 193 00:12:54,920 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: researchers discovered the material composition of the disc not just stone. 194 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: They have a lot of cobalt and other metals. They 195 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: conduct electricity and here's the part they produce. No, they 196 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 3: produce a humming sound when they are placed on a 197 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 3: special turn tape. 198 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: There we go. 199 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 4: There is thank you, because man, I gotta say, like 200 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 4: I'm a big audiophile, synthesizer, you know, music production nerd. 201 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 4: To me, the technology of vinyl and sound reproduction in general, 202 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 4: but specifically with vinyl is like magic. 203 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: I don't understand it. 204 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 4: Like if you you can play a record without an 205 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 4: amplification source and just turn it on and stick your 206 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 4: ear next to it, to the needle, and you hear 207 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 4: a little bit of it, Like you know, I know 208 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 4: that sound is just vibration capture, and that you know, 209 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 4: an audio recording is just a way of capturing that 210 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: and replaying it and sort of reproducing it. But that's 211 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 4: as far as I can go with like the actual 212 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 4: explanation of how that stuff works. And we used to 213 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 4: work for a web so I called house Stuff Works, 214 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 4: which by the way, has. 215 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: Quite a good article on the dropo Stones in there. 216 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: It does. Yes, yes, very much. So that is our 217 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: alma matter. 218 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: And one thing that I've always loved about being able 219 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 3: to hang out with you is your your immense knowledge 220 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: of music and the fact that no matter where we are, 221 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: no matter what's happening, you know, we're on the road somewhere, 222 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: we might. 223 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: Go see a film or something. 224 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 3: If anyone brings up synth or music to my pal 225 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: Noel Brown, then twenty minutes are done. No, twenty very 226 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: interesting minutes. 227 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: Oh that's very kind. Now I try to keep it 228 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: in check, but yeah, I'm a big I'm a big fan. 229 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of just technology in general as 230 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 4: a tool. And I think this, you know, whether or 231 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 4: not it exists, it immediately tickles that part of my brain. 232 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, because the truth maybe out there. The legend 233 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: grows for reason. Right in nineteen seventy four, again, according 234 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 3: to the story, there's this engineer from Austria. Sometimes he's 235 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 3: called Ernst Vegarer, sometimes he's called Ernst Wegener, and according 236 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: to the story, he visits a museum Bampo Museum in 237 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: Western China, and he sees two of the drop of stones. 238 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: He asked the museum staff about it, and they shrug, 239 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: they don't know what they are, but they do allow 240 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: him to hold a disc to physically, you know, engage 241 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: with it, and they let him photograph several of these 242 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 3: up close. The mystery by nineteen ninety four, these drop 243 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 3: a disc are ghosts, Yeah. 244 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 4: Kaiser sooze themselves especially or at least you know, or 245 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 4: were they ever there in. 246 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: The first place. 247 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 4: It's an incredible story, It's about all It ticks all 248 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 4: the boxes of. 249 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: What we love in a good conspiracy tale. 250 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 4: And I think you know, Ben, you and Matt and 251 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 4: I always make it clear that our goal here is 252 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 4: not to tell you what to believe, is to dissect 253 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 4: the facts, the chatter, you know, what's out there, and 254 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 4: then kind of allow people to form their own conclusions. 255 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 4: But we all love a good story, and this has 256 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 4: the makings of a top notch conspiracy. 257 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: Ancient wisdom from the stars, hidden history, geopolitical. 258 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 4: Intrigue, Russier line, magical technology. Right, I mean, we agree 259 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 4: that Vinyl itself is amazing and magical. 260 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: Right. 261 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:49,479 Speaker 4: Tonight's question is the story true. We'll put our collective 262 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 4: needle into that group when we get back from a 263 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 4: word from our sponsor. 264 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: Here's where it gets crazy, Paul, can we have a womp? Womp? 265 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 2: We hate to see it. 266 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: This story is not true. Yeah, and apparently JD. Vance 267 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 4: also probably didn't have sex with a couch. Oh you're 268 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 4: read up on that double womp. It's just, you know, 269 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 4: I joke because in this day and age, and this 270 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 4: is not a Grandpapa, and this day and age in particular, 271 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 4: when information can be disseminated so quickly and sometimes by 272 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 4: like not necessarily the best of actors. 273 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: Let's just say, it's real easy for. 274 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 4: Stories, you know, with questionable providence to be reported as fact. 275 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: And this is, you know, a much older story. 276 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 4: So it would have taken a lot more doing to 277 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 4: get this to proliferate in that same way, and yet 278 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 4: proliferate it did, probably largely because it's just so damn interesting. 279 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 2: Right. 280 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 3: It looks like a pair of science writers essentially made 281 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 3: a speculative article and it got expanded upon by an 282 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 3: unknown writer who published published this story under a pseudonym 283 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty two. Whoever was behind this story? Appears 284 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 3: to have taken a couple of swings at the plate 285 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 3: because the time they published it what you called it 286 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: the drop of summer, the brad summer, Yeah, right. 287 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: Sixty four right. 288 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 3: He pushes it out, or this person pushes out the 289 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 3: story multiple times and it gets rewritten and rewritten. There 290 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 3: is a clue in the text that lets us know 291 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 3: that he is essentially re doing a soft reboot they 292 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: would call it in Hollywood, because our buddy Chi Poote, 293 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 3: who discovers the disc. Originally it's described as happening forty 294 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: five years before the article, right nineteen thirty seven, and 295 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: then when they republish whomever this prankster is, they don't 296 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 3: change that timeline. So now our guy, the archaeologist from 297 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 3: China is doing his expedition in nineteen thirty nine. Accuracy 298 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: is not. 299 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 4: Is not the primary mission of this article, and we've 300 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 4: got to. 301 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: Give a big shout out to our friends. A bad archaeology. 302 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 4: Well, as my mother used to say, never let the 303 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 4: facts stand in the way of a good story. 304 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: That's true. She has said that. Yeah, she said that 305 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 2: a lot actually, but that's right. 306 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 4: Bad archaeology put it like this, I think, really succinctly. 307 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 4: It seems that nineteen sixty four was a better year 308 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 4: for tall tales involving crash UFOs as the story was 309 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 4: taken up in a variety of publications. So even though 310 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 4: this did in this time, there are people would a 311 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 4: good story. It's spreadable, it's shareable. You know, everyone wants 312 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 4: to be the one that shares that crazy story and 313 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 4: be the first person you heard it from, whether you're 314 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 4: a human being or a publication. Continuing, it was through 315 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 4: one of these that Vaya she sheslov Zeitsev's popularization made 316 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 4: it known to a wider world, including the up and 317 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: coming Eric von Dannikin. 318 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Yeah, the author of Chariots of the Gods 319 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 3: several other stories, was up and coming. It was a 320 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 3: real up and comer. He was the Kendrick of his 321 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: time in the world of ancient alien folklore. And look, 322 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 3: when you read Chariots of the Gods, which is a 323 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 3: good read, it is very much not accurate. It is 324 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 3: very in my opinion, speculative, if I'm being diplomatic. When 325 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 3: you read this kind of stuff, you will see a 326 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 3: narrative suggesting that all of the works of modern human 327 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: society are broken remnants of a much more evolved and 328 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 3: sophisticated civilization from the stars. This is where you see 329 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 3: like the pictures of old stone carvings, woodcuts, you know, 330 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 3: that appear to depict UFOs or visits from godlike entities. 331 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: The issue with the dropa stones is and this is 332 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: why I love that you brought up jd Vance. Okay, 333 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 3: so jd Vance had love the guy or hate the 334 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 3: guy has been targeted by a disinfo campaign, the idea 335 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 3: being that beat me here, Paul, he latex glove that 336 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 3: was tucked into a couch, that was tucked into a couch, right, 337 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 3: you call it double fiefee right there? 338 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 2: Wait? Is that real? 339 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 4: A fife is an improvised sexual implements. One could argue, yeah, 340 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 4: And one could argue that a glove combined with a 341 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 4: couch would be it would be a double yeah or 342 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 4: maybe now maybe maybe when their powers combined. 343 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 5: It's so the idea Here's why this is a great 344 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 5: comparison that we've made here because the original story about upholstery. 345 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: Intimacy. Wow, I walked down for that one. That was good, 346 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: That was very diplomatic. Thanks the idea here, uh for JD. Vance. 347 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 3: It came from a tweet that sounded very authoritative. It 348 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: said this is from Hillbilly Elegy here. Yeah, exactly, and 349 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 3: credit to our our buddy Miles from Daily's Eye Geys. 350 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 3: Miles Gray pointed out how excellent that misinformation was and. 351 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 4: That it wasn't it was reported by a seemingly reputable source. 352 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, and then. 353 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 4: And then repeated by other seemingly reputable because it appeared 354 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 4: to be credible, right, And most people don't read the 355 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 4: books that they claim to, you know that they claimed 356 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 4: to sit. 357 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: Uh, that's just a fact of the modern day. And 358 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 3: in this comparison with current political candidate JD. Vance and 359 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: Couch Sex, we see we see the same story happening 360 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 3: with the dropa Stones because the closer you look, the 361 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: more the evidence disappears. Turns out there are no records 362 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 3: of any of the archaeologists or any of the scholars 363 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 3: mentioned in the original story except in that story. 364 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 4: And Ben, I'd love to really quickly go back to 365 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 4: the idea of the Dropeu just as like an actual facts, 366 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 4: real civilization, because that's thing, right, like they were a nomadic, 367 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 4: hurting society or civilization based in the Tibetan plateau. But 368 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 4: I believe there were connections in the reporting saying that 369 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 4: they were like of below average stature, that they were 370 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 4: like pigmy or something like that. But that even isn't 371 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 4: entirely accurate or accurate at all. 372 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 3: No, Yeah, and we know, Look, we know a little 373 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 3: bit from our episode on giants in an earlier evening. 374 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 3: We know a little bit about the average human height. Right, 375 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 3: some people in the world will tend to be taller 376 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: than people in other regions. And the Dropka, as you said, 377 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 3: are are a real people. They do live in Tibet. 378 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 3: That the name translates to inhabitants of high pasture lands. 379 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 4: Okay, you know there could only be one there are 380 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 4: tractually obplicated highland directly. Can we also talk about the 381 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 4: fact that I'm getting I'm just looking at some different perspectives, 382 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 4: like maybe from like you know, Internet sleuthy types, redditors 383 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 4: or whatever. Like A big question here in terms of 384 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 4: like some things not passing the smell test is the 385 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 4: idea that alone linguists could single handedly decode something like 386 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 4: this in such a short period of time, when typically 387 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 4: to decode ancient texts and languages and things like that. 388 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 4: It'll take teams of academic departments, you know, can can 389 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 4: take years. I mean it's sort of the equivalent of 390 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 4: decoding a cipher where you don't have the key right. 391 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 4: Like it's it requires all kinds of permutations and you know, calculations, 392 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 4: and I mean, again, it's not my wheelhouse in my field, 393 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 4: but that seems suspiciously easy, Like it was suspiciously easy 394 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 4: to have done using the magnifying right. 395 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 2: That's a beautiful point. 396 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 3: Also, Uh, there is I love this Kaiser's so's a 397 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 3: comparison because. 398 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 2: There is no sum um. 399 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 3: Nui, the translator that, to your point, had these amazing 400 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 3: skills to decode an alien language. First off, sum um 401 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 3: Nui is not a real Chinese name. You know, my 402 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: Mandarin is rusty, but I can tell you it's not 403 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 3: a real Chinese name. 404 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 4: It's actually a company that makes coffee mugs. 405 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 2: And was coming up with his yarn. He was just 406 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: looking at stuff around the room. 407 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny because I recently rewatched Usual Suspects. 408 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: I did too, did. 409 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 4: You I did? Yeah, and I thought it. I thought 410 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 4: it held up marvelously. 411 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: It does. 412 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think I maybe mentioned this in the past, 413 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 4: but I had occasion to visit with Kevin Pollack. He 414 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 4: used to have a podcast us on our network, like 415 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 4: right the Comedy, but he may still be on our network. 416 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 4: But I would do his house with a colleague of ours, 417 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 4: Doug Bottom, the lovely dude who helps us with audio 418 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 4: and runs our audio department in LA and like hooked 419 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 4: up dropbox for him and just it was the first 420 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 4: time I ever was showing what a crow nut was. 421 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 4: He like, got this box of pastries and he's like, here, 422 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 4: have a crow nut. I'm like, what is this mystical 423 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 4: pastry that you're handing me? Guy from the Usual Suspects, 424 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 4: and man, that guy can act his butt off, and 425 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 4: all of those Usual Suspects really put in a stellar performance. 426 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 4: I think it's a real fun movie. But unfortunately that 427 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 4: director is mega canceled. But the you know artist, yeah, 428 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 4: he was the one having like, oh gosh, Brian Singer, 429 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 4: he was having like. 430 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. 431 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 4: So that was his first big breakout hit. And it's 432 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 4: still a great film, but not a good guy. I 433 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 4: just have to put that out there. Still love the film, 434 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 4: love everybody in it. 435 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 2: And yes we know about the spacey stuff folks. 436 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 4: Of course forgot he was yeah, yeah, sorry jes Louise. 437 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 4: Are there any good people in Hollywood? Yes, Tom Baum, 438 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 4: and please Tom Hanks. Please Tom Hanks. Don't come out 439 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 4: as some sort of secret dexter actually dexter. 440 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: Man. Tom Hanks is. 441 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: I've never met him, he seems to approach I respect 442 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 3: that his first great love is typewriters. 443 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 4: That's right, and that he loves his embarrassing son Chet 444 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 4: just as much as his. 445 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: His non disappointing son call it so. 446 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 3: I love that It's funny though, because to your to 447 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 3: your example there if it turned out, and Tom, if 448 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: you're hearing this, I hope you are not offended and 449 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 3: take this in the spirit with which it is intended. 450 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: If I heard that Tom Hanks had murdered a number 451 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 3: of people over a period of years, my first question 452 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: would not be something bad about Tom. 453 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: They do deserve it, exactly, would be. 454 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 4: It would be more of a dexter scenario. That would 455 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 4: be immediately what my brain would turn to. Yeah, benevolent, 456 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 4: you know what's the word, vigilante, serial killer? 457 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: But no, we do love you. Talk the forest gout 458 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 2: for the greater good exactly. Let's take a quick pause. 459 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 4: Here, here a work more sponsor, and then come back 460 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 4: with more discussion of the dropa stones. 461 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 2: And we're back. 462 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know, Ben, I'm I think this is 463 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 4: a fun pick just for like a kind of a conspiracy, 464 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 4: an old conspiracy chestnut that does deserve a little bit 465 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 4: of picking apart. But it's also we have to remind ourselves. 466 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 4: One reason we love doing the show is that a 467 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 4: lot of these stories, whether true or not, are fun 468 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 4: to talk about, and we love good stories. And you 469 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 4: know you mentioned Chariots of the Gods, right, Chariots of 470 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 4: the Gods. So is that book published with the presumption 471 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 4: that it is true or is it kind oflative in 472 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 4: its nature? Like, yeah, what the line is on stuff 473 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 4: like that when it comes to publishing fact VI fiction? 474 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, at least when it first came out 475 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 3: and I read it, it was published as though it 476 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 3: is one hundred percent on the line of nonfiction. We've 477 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: got a guy just saying, hey, look at this, look 478 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: at these pictures. Here's my interpretation of this evidence. And 479 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 3: then they play the if then game, right, so they 480 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 3: kind of branch out on the what ifs, and it 481 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 3: was not ever it was not ever depicted by the 482 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 3: author as though it were fiction. We also know that 483 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 3: the news agency cited in all the publications about the 484 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: dropa Stones, the original Asian news outfit doesn't exist. 485 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: You can't find it. 486 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 3: The story just kept getting published and republished with these convenient, 487 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 3: true sounding citations, and along the way, as we always 488 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: say in folklore, people kept adding their new pet conspiracies. 489 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,239 Speaker 2: But they're a little spin on it. 490 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 3: And there has never been a Beijing Academy for Ancient Studies. 491 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 3: There are no records of the original Chinese archaeologist who 492 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 3: has cited all the stories that feature these folks. Also 493 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 3: do a thing that can help you discern fact from fiction. 494 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 3: When a person's name is spelled one way in one 495 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 3: version of a. 496 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 2: Story that always gives me pauses. 497 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 3: In slightly different way in another. You know, when it's 498 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 3: like bold nown or something, and then Noel Brown into 499 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 3: two stories claiming, you know this guy has the ability? 500 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 2: What's a superpower? You want? Autism? It's a joke. SpongeBob 501 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: was recently discussed. 502 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 4: Tom Kenny, the voice of SpongeBob, was asked by a 503 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 4: young autistic fan whether SpongeBob was autistic and he replied, 504 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 4: of course he is, and that's his superpower, just like this. 505 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 4: It was a really sweet thing to say. And I 506 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 4: mentioned it to a mutual friend of ours and she replied, obviously, 507 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 4: is that news? 508 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 2: But I just thought it was really sweet that he 509 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: said that. Yeah, shout out to Casper. 510 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 3: And this is okay, So if someone if you're reading 511 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 3: a story that claims an amazing thing, and in one 512 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 3: version of the story it's Bowl Down and in another 513 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 3: version of the story it's Noel Brown, and there are 514 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 3: a couple of extra you know, Shyamala and plot twist 515 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 3: added to make it juicier than you know, this story 516 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 3: is suspect the photos that this Austrian engineer appears to 517 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: have taken. The weird thing is those photos are genuine, 518 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 3: or at least there are stone disc that do exist 519 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 3: with a hole cut in the center, just like a record, 520 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 3: and there are double spirals on those disc But dude, 521 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 3: they're not from aliens. They're from a human group that worshiped. 522 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 4: Snakes, okay, like, which is even weird snake god Glican. 523 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 4: Perhaps I just know what's his name, Alan Moore, the 524 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 4: Bearded wizard of comics. Yeah, supposedly worships a stone snake god. 525 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 4: And I don't remember if he made it up or 526 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 4: if it's a story classic Alan accurate. Yeah, like has 527 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 4: an interesting fella. I have a I want to pop 528 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 4: back really quickly to the idea of like fact versus 529 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 4: fiction and publishing, and like, it's almost similar to the 530 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 4: argument that is being really put front and center with 531 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 4: the whole baby reindeer thing. It's like, is it based 532 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 4: on a true story or is it a true story? 533 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 2: And then that language ultimately matters. It made me think 534 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 2: of the book. 535 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 4: Holy Blood, Holy Grail Ah Yes, which is like again 536 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 4: would be presented by the author, which is we actually 537 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 4: interviewed his daughter way back if you go into the archive, 538 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 4: Michael Bagent in addition to Richard Lee and Henry Lincoln, 539 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 4: but we interviewed Baigent's daughter, if I remember correctly, that's 540 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 4: quite a few years ago. But it purported to have 541 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 4: a some information, or at least it laid forth a 542 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 4: kind of theory about, you know, certain secret societies and 543 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 4: the providence of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and the sacred 544 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 4: royal bloodline that Mary Magdalene was. 545 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: The mother of. 546 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 4: And the book was largely like crapped on hardcore by 547 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 4: historians and you know, scholars of this type of history. 548 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 4: But one of the writers had this to say, Yeah, 549 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 4: I guess all of them maybe collectively released us in 550 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 4: a statement, but they compared what they were doing in 551 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 4: the book to the reporters who uncovered the Watergate scan 552 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 4: and they have this to say that only through speculative 553 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 4: synthesis can one discern the underlying continuity, the unified and 554 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 4: coherent fabric which lies at the core of any historical problem. Okay, 555 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 4: it's interesting, it's interesting like this, but I think it's interesting. 556 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 2: It's well put. 557 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 4: They go on to say that to do so, one 558 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 4: must realize that it's not sufficient to confine oneself exclusively 559 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 4: to facts. 560 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: It is a slippery slope. I think speculation. Again, that's 561 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 2: a lot of what we do here on the show. 562 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, with an utter 563 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 4: absence of facts, is speculation enough? And are you really 564 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 4: just kind of spinning your own wheels? 565 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 566 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 3: We've run into it through the course of our careers together, 567 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 3: you know, Like I remember I would send some crazy 568 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 3: story and say we should do this, and Matt and 569 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,479 Speaker 3: you would I remember you guys texted me one time. 570 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 2: I think it was. 571 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 4: The oh, the very weird cursed record story we did 572 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 4: Uh for sorrow Bread our short lived radio theater company. 573 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 2: I can't even and nolded all the production on this. 574 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 2: I want to do more of that. That's so fun. 575 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 4: Now that I've got all the beet boob machines here, 576 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 4: I love to just like live improv a crazy spooky synth. 577 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 2: Let's make it happen. And now check that out, folks. 578 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 3: We do, we have done, and we'll do more fiction 579 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 3: on stuff they want you to know. But to that 580 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 3: excellent point about well put bs, I remember when you 581 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 3: and Matt had to sit down with me and to 582 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 3: ask me, hey, how much of this story is true? 583 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 3: Because it just it sounded plausible enough, right, It's based 584 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 3: on an urban legend, et cetera. Gosh, I'm just I 585 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 3: really love the production on that one. 586 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 2: Man, Oh, I appreciate it. I'm gonna go revisit that. 587 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 4: But it also makes me think of some things that 588 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 4: we've experienced in pop culture too, where it's like, again 589 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 4: based on a true story, this is a true story. 590 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 4: The marketing behind say a Blair Witch project situation where 591 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 4: it's put out kind of almost like we're not saying 592 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 4: it's a documentary exactly. They may well have, though I 593 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 4: can't remember. It was just a really interesting role out 594 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 4: for a film. A lot of people went to see 595 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 4: it thinking it was real, and that they thought it 596 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 4: was real is what made it as scary as it was. 597 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 4: And maybe you could argue that if you go in 598 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 4: watching it knowing it's just a movie, it's just a 599 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 4: bunch of shaky cam and people crying in the snotty 600 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 4: nose and stuff. 601 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 2: But like if you really. 602 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 4: Thought it was real and you were seeing a genuine 603 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 4: artifact of someone being hunted by a malevolent spirits or 604 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 4: witch or. 605 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 2: Whatever, hell yeah, that's creepy. 606 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 4: But the barrier to entry is much lower at that true, 607 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 4: and I feel like that applies to the type of 608 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 4: stuff as well. 609 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 3: Ooh perfect, did you hear that, fellow conspiracy realist. This 610 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 3: is how you bring a show back, right, This. 611 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 2: How you bring it back to the thing. 612 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Friday, we're having a good time. Our buddy 613 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 4: Matt's on vacation. We're riffing and raffing it up a 614 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 4: little bit. But no, I really enjoyed this topic this 615 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 4: is red meat for us, and I think we're like, 616 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 4: you know, to use another like dogs with bones. I 617 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 4: wish was real too, And that's where we come from 618 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 4: with a lot of these discussions, is from a place 619 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 4: of that old, moldered thing. We want to believe, you know, 620 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 4: and we we do. We're not parade peers, you know, 621 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 4: we really we have a deep love for this stuff. 622 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 4: And I think we all want some Matt magic to 623 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 4: exist in the universe. 624 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, just so uh And for anybody who's wondering, my 625 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 3: pal Nole's favorite superhero is probably Doctor Strange. 626 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 2: Correct, Doctor Strange, Love Doctor Strange. Okay, don't get it twisted. 627 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 3: The fact that we want there to be magic in 628 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 3: the world. We want these extraordinary things. That is part 629 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 3: of why it is important for us to think critically 630 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 3: about things that are not true. And sadly, it looks 631 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 3: as though the drop a stone case is another instance 632 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 3: of a story that sounds intriguing and just plausible enough 633 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 3: for people to repeat it ad nauseum without really diving 634 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 3: into the facts. Obviously, we want all this stuff to 635 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 3: be real. A single genuine case would absolutely make our day. 636 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 3: A single genuine ancient alien case we could probably retire. 637 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 4: Absolutely just you know, I'd probably drop that out of 638 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 4: sheer joy. But what we do get though, whether or 639 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 4: not these things are true, is that they leave a 640 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 4: lasting impact on culture. Whether or not they actually were 641 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 4: real or not, it almost doesn't matter sometimes. And we 642 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 4: also often talk about how oftentimes the mystery is cooler 643 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 4: than the solution, like you know, with the Georgia guidestones 644 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 4: and things like that, where it's like, let let's leave 645 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 4: a little mystery in the world. But what I was 646 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 4: referring to specifically with this one is a video game 647 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 4: that I believe I referenced on a video we did 648 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 4: a while back and we were kind of talking about 649 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 4: books they don't want you to read or whatever. It's 650 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 4: a game called Outer Wilds, and it involves these ancient 651 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 4: artifacts and stones left behind by an alien an ancient 652 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 4: alien civilization, and you're this explorer and you have to 653 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 4: collect all of these all this data and decode these 654 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 4: messages and stuff. And I'd be very surprised if the 655 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 4: creators of Outer Wilds, which is a really smart, weird 656 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 4: little game, an indie type game, didn't know about this 657 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 4: story influenced by it in some way. 658 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, That's a fantastic point because what we're talking about 659 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 3: here is folklore essentially, and the purpose of folklore is 660 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 3: to somehow explain the world. But we also see in 661 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 3: the story of like everything from Jack and the Beanstalk 662 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 3: to the Drope of Stones, what these stories really tell 663 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 3: us is more about ourselves, sort of like how any 664 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 3: good disguise is an autobiography of the person wearing the disguise. 665 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 4: It's fair, it's a little weird for a Friday, but 666 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 4: or oftentimes in political rhetoric it gets really heated. If 667 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 4: someone's talking a lot of smack it oftentimes they're accusing 668 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 4: the other person of what they themselves are guilty exactly. 669 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 3: Yes, I think I read it one time in a 670 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 3: pithy way. Every accusation is a confession. 671 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,919 Speaker 4: It can be if you're not careful, or if you're 672 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 4: just kind of like throwing spaghetti at the wall and 673 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 4: seeing what sticks. 674 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: You know. 675 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 2: Have you ever thrown spaghetti at a wall? No, but 676 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 2: I really need to get on that. It seems like 677 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 2: a lot of fun. 678 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 4: But there are easier ways to see if your spaghetti 679 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 4: is al dente. 680 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 2: You don't necessarily have to throw it at the wall. 681 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 3: I did it one No, I did it a couple times, 682 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 3: just to see, but just see what, just to see. 683 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 3: But that is our show for this evening. The drop 684 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 3: of Stones, as far as we can tell, are a hoax. 685 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 3: That does not mean other stuff is not true. We're 686 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 3: grateful that you have tuned in here. We'll be back 687 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 3: very soon with some more explorations. 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