WEBVTT - #405 Packers Unscripted: Intriguing questions 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:21.200 M Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.919 I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside my trusted colleague West 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.720 Hodcoits were coming to you here from our studios at 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.479 lambeau Field and West. I want to begin today's show 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:36.160 with an acknowledgment that that our thoughts and concerns are 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:40.760 with former Packers general manager Ted Thompson. After a fantastic 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.080 weekend his wonderful induction into the Packers Hall of Fame, 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.760 he went public this week with a statement about a 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:51.680 disorder and autonomic disorder of his nervous system that he 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.160 is dealing with, and it did lead to him stepping 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:59.560 away from the general manager role obviously after the season. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.080 I just want to say we hope and pray that 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.399 he can get the treatment and UH and the management 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.720 of the disease that he needs to to continue to 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.320 UH to lead a fruitful life, because he certainly had 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.760 a great one. Yeah. Absolutely, As I wrote an insider 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.080 inbox for what was Thursday's edition, UH, Ted Thompson is 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.160 not the kind of guy that's going to seek sympathy. 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.960 He certainly doesn't want attention. That's never been his primory 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:25.920 you know, objective in life, but it is something that 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:27.959 he felt was important to come out and talk about. 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.640 UM and you know it is. It's life, right, and 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.280 we deal with certain things. There's certain obstacles we have 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.480 to overcome. You can check out the whole statement on 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.160 packers dot com for a more thorough um, you know, 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.000 explanation for his thoughts and in the process that he's 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:47.400 going through right now. You were there though on Saturday. Uh, 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.480 it's just an emotional, uh, celebratory night. And I know 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.600 over the past few years, and I go back to 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:57.120 a story that from the NFL Combine in eighteen uh 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.280 talking to John Snyder and one of the questions I 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.720 asked him this was shortly after Ted stepped down from 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:05.160 the GM post and John, you know, immediately got very 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.520 emotional about it. You can tell how much he means 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.880 to so many people, the Wolf family, you know, Snyder, 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:16.200 John Dorsey, Reggie McKenzie was Intendance. Scott McLuhan not only 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.880 from a business perspective, not only from a scout perspective, 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.640 but personally one of the more humble human beings you're 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.280 ever going to come across. And as you said, Michael, 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.240 we obviously wish him the best. Yeah, it was. It 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.919 really was a neat ceremony on Saturday night. I'll say 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.000 that not only looking at who always in attendance. You 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:35.480 mentioned Reggie Mackenzie, John Dorsey, there were video messages from 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.520 John Schneider, from Charles Woodson, from Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:43.280 was there. Other Packers players current and former were there. 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:45.960 I actually got kind of got a kick out of 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.880 the brief media session that we had with Mike Reinfeldt, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:54.520 who was his presenter um for induction. Reinfeldt being a 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.880 Houston Oilers teammate going way back in the day when 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:02.000 when Ted was a football player, an NFL player, and 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.200 and a pretty darn good one for ten years. Quite frankly, 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.360 he'll never admit to and he'll never write he'll never 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.640 admit to that. But for some pretty good Houston Oilers 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.919 teams that came, you know, a razor thin margin from 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.239 getting to a super bowler two back in the Pittsburgh 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.440 Steelers heydays there in the a f C in the seventies. 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.880 But just getting Rhin Felt's perspective on the type of 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.640 the type of teammate Ted Thompson was as a player, 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:31.120 and then as their relationship evolved and their friendship got 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.840 even closer, I think as they were both executives with 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.480 the Green Bay Packers, then went their separate ways with 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.280 different franchises. I just found Mike rhin felt to be 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.440 a very interesting, engaging guy, and and the story that 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.960 I wrote Saturday night on our website from the ceremony 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.400 included a lot of comments from him. I just you know, 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:52.800 I was really entertained as well as informed about a 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.920 lot of things about Ted Thompson and what makes the 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.160 man based on what rhin Feldt said. Yeah, it was 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.240 really interesting too, because I mean there were certain things 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.440 I did know when but in terms of like actually remembering, 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.400 I mean we always look at Ted Thompson from the 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.880 run Wolf Tree. Rhinfeld was the one that helped facilitate that. 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:11.760 He was the one that sort of helped him get 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.760 his foot in the door from after he was doing 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.240 whatever it was sales or whatever the professional he went 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.880 into shortly thereafter. He's sort of an offshoot to this 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.920 whole tree in terms of Ted Thompson his development, certainly 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.360 two very good friends and for him to be back, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.800 you could tell, you know, even watching the videos with 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.640 Ted just what that meant for him to to have 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.520 Rhinfeld being the one to present him for induction, and 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:37.520 certainly a very very emotional but a very blessed night 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.560 as well. Yeah, it was a neat night with uh, 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.240 and I counted it up. He's Ted Thompson is only 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:46.080 the seventh individual to ever be inducted into the Pettlers 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.360 Hall of Fame as a class of one. And I'm 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.880 gonna see if I can do this if I can 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.880 remember the other six. Two of them were players, Brett Farvan, 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:59.360 Reggie White, Reggie White being posthumously unfortunately, um, but then 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:04.799 the others Mike Holmgren, Bob Harlan, Ron Wolf, and William 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.680 Brault who was a Packers executive and the founder of 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.040 the Packers Hall of Fame. So that's the class that 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.960 Ted Thompson is in in terms of being an induction 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.599 class of one. I think, I just I think that's 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.640 a really interesting list and uh and I'm glad for 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.920 Ted Thompson that he was able to have that night, 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.480 you know, very much focused on him absolutely, and then 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.200 obviously the focus was on him in the ceremony and 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.240 everything that went into that. I do have to give 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.560 a quick shout out to Cliff Crystal as well. Yes, 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.719 getting the Barton Cherry Stars. I should not, I should 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.880 not ignore that, but you're right, he was the only 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:38.520 Hall of Fame induction. But it was neat to see 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.640 Cliff get that honor as well. Uh, Packers historian honestly 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:44.840 a mentor to me, a mentor to so many on 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:49.680 this beat, just a tremendous a guy that is fully 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:53.440 devoted to making sure that Packers history is remembered accurately. 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.520 Getting those stories correct has sort of been his charge 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:00.680 here in pseudo retirement. Yes, getting everything recorded factually, and 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.800 he's been a big part of a lot of a 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.200 lot of what's been going on here over the hundred 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.440 Seasons celebration, you know, and and all of that with 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.000 regards to getting history recorded. I do have to say 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.000 it was somewhat funny to see he's getting the bart 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.520 and Cherry Star award. You know, if you know the 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.479 history there with Cliff, he covered bart when he was 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.160 the head coach as well. Cliff is as much of 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.599 an intrepid bulldog reporter as it can be, um, you know, 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:28.280 and obviously a guy that over the years, I mean, players, coaches, 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:30.920 knew who he was and it was fitting though also 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.920 to see that put onto it in in terms of 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.559 his service and in what he did over the last 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:40.200 fifty years to make sure that Packers history is remembered accurately. Yeah. Well, 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.040 Cliff has been a treasure to have here in this 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.520 building as Packers history, and we have one of the 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:49.240 kind regular postings on our website with with historical biographies 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.880 and and other perspectives on Packer's history. Just a real treasure. 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.800 I learned something every time I read something that that 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.440 Cliff Crystal. Right. So with that West, I want to 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.960 shift years momentarily to Um. I'm just going to toss 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.880 out a question here for you with regards to the 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.599 Packers draft class. We've talked about a lot already. Eight 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.240 players in the class, two first rounders, all of that, 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.240 I want to ask you, and I'll give you my 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:17.640 answer as well. Is there one of these eight draft 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.280 picks that is the most intriguing to you? In terms 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.040 of what I mean by intriguing is following that player's 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:29.120 progress through his rookie season, kind of the guy that 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.200 you're maybe going to have a little bit of an 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.440 extra I on just because of what you know about 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.080 him and maybe what you think could be down the 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:36.960 road for him. Is there one of those guys that 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.040 stands out to you in that regard. During our pre 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.120 production meeting, you threw this at me, so you gave 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:42.720 me a chance to kind of think, and I gave 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.600 you a slight form my thoughts in mind. I'm just 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.320 hoping you don't pick the guy that I'm going to 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.120 pick because we didn't discuss, and I might end up 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.480 doing it because the first the two first round picks 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.840 are too easy. Savage is going to play a lot. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.880 We're going to see a lot of him, and obviously 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.880 Gary coming in with the expectations at number twelve. My 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.120 is Kingsley Kiki. Did I do it? Did I pick it? No? 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.280 You didn't. I have a different one, so go ahead. 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.240 Keiki is interesting for me because they're just there are 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.040 so many questions of what his position is going to 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:12.880 be in the NFL, how he's going to be utilized. 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.920 His weight fluctuated in college, they played him at a 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.880 number of different spots, at a number of different weights. Uh, 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.240 seeing him get a chance to settle in now, you 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.280 don't do that in the NFL. He's not going to 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:24.960 be asked to play at three thirty and then be 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.800 down to two eight five or something like that, whatever 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.400 weight the training staff figures him to be at. That's 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.480 where his long term plan is going to be. So 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.280 seeing him get to settle into that, I think is 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.640 gonna be really intriguing. This is a guy too, I 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.200 know the Packers really thought very highly of and would 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:40.720 not be surprised at all. They had higher than a 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:45.040 fifth round grade on him just based on his So 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.160 I mean for him now to come into the NFL 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.840 defensive line is a tough position. It's a tough position 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.320 to get your feet in the dirt on day one 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.400 and make an impact. But I really like adding him 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.040 to the rotation. I just think it's been twenty three 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.000 consecutive years where the Packers have drafted a defensive linemen 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.599 Kingsley Kiki. I didn't know a lot about him in 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.560 the pre draft process, but the more we read about him, 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.800 the more film I watch of him in what he 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.120 did in college, I just think that he's the type 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.160 of guy that has a lot of potential and found 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.000 ways to get after the quarterback in a conference where 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.600 that's not always easy to do. Yeah, it definitely isn't 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:22.240 easy to do. And my guy coincidentally is Kingsley, Kiki's teammate, 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.480 And I'm gonna go with j Sternberger, the third round 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.880 draft pick and tight end out of Texas A and 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.720 M just like Kiki and I say this, he's he's 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.440 my most intriguing guy. For this reason. You and I 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:39.400 have talked about how tight end it's a tough spot 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.319 to come in and make an impact right away in 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:45.120 the NFL. There is a developmental process to becoming a 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.400 fully formed, well rounded, however you want to say it, 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:52.800 tight end in this league. But what really intrigues me 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.079 about Sternberger is this is a guy who went from 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.000 junior college where when he got to that junior college 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.839 and he wasn't even number one on the debt chart, 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.640 he was like two or three. He works his way 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:08.360 up at junior college, then from there he jumps into 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:12.280 the SEC and in one season of SEC football at 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.120 Texas A and my averages seventeen yards of catch and 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:19.400 ten gets ten touchdowns. I'm not going to discount the 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.600 developmental process that a guy like this needs coming into 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:26.680 the NFL. Certainly, by all accounts, the blocking and those 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.920 responsibilities that he's going to need to learn as a 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.600 tight end. That's going to take some time. But a 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.840 guy who can go from junior college to the SEC 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.720 in one year and do what he did, it makes 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.600 me really really curious just what he might be able 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.839 to do in a rookie year with the Packers when 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.720 he's at a position that he's not jumping in as 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.520 the number one guy. Jimmy Graham is going to be 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.920 the number one receiving target tight end in this offense. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.199 There's absolutely no question about that. So he doesn't have 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.959 all of this pressure being thrown on him to be 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.800 the guy at the position, even though the Packers clearly 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.320 invested a very high draft pick in him. So for 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.880 those reasons, he's kind of my most intriguing pick. As 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.599 far as watching that rookie year progress, you raise a 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.320 lot of great points there, namely the first one being 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.240 I think he is a guy that gets it. You 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.080 don't just go into the SEC. You don't go into 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.800 that program with Jimbo Fisher and just hit the ground 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.440 running like that. If there isn't a pretty light, you know, 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.000 bright bulb in the in the light, he he has 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.199 that and it will be interesting to see how quickly 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:29.840 he can pick up this game now moving on to 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.640 the next level. The other thing that I really enjoy 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.400 about him and listening to his story and where he 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.680 comes from, is the fact that there just seems to 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.480 be a lot of untapped potential. Even with the success 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.400 he had last year in the SEC and A, Texas 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.240 A and M, this is a guy that I still 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.920 think has his best football ahead of him in terms 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.880 of just what his ceiling can be. I think that 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.600 that was just scratching the surface last year, and that's 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.680 certainly one of the reasons why the Packers made the 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:56.440 move that they did to take him where they did. 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.800 And lastly, you brought up the best point of all. 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:00.720 He has a chance to learn at his own pace. 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.800 That's something the tight ends here in Green Bay haven't 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.760 had in quite some time. Richard Rodgers had to play 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.280 a lot as a rookie. Jamichael Finley basically got shoved 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.200 in there right with Donald Lee and it didn't take 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.760 him too much long to sort of become that next guy. 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:15.960 And certainly, you know, Bubba Franks when he came in 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.120 as well, was looked at as the day one starter. 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.480 I really like this set up for Sternberger and listening 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.600 last year Robert Tony and talk about how helpful it 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.720 was to work with Graham and Marcedes Lewis, how open 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.640 they were with their mind and their knowledge. I just 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.559 think that's gonna be the perfect compliment to set him 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.600 up for success. Yeah, all right, Well with that West, 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.120 a little bit of sponsored business here. 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Okay, I'm gonna 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.160 throw another question at you. I did the great on 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.440 the first one. I'm excited to build some momentum and 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.840 don't take my answer on this one either. Try not 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:20.680 help it even though you don't know what my answer 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:22.600 is going to be. All right, what what I'm gonna 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.720 throw at you here? We're gonna between now and the 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:29.400 end of July and even through July and August. This 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.320 is a type of topic We're going to talk about 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:32.920 a lot, But I'm just gonna throw it out there 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.640 today as a as a one off, so to speak. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:42.320 What position battle position competition? As the Packers ninety man 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.520 roster stands right now, are you most looking forward to 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.960 seeing unfold when training camp rolls around, the pads go on, 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.920 the preseason games start, all of that. Absolutely, I think 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:55.720 I know what this answer is. I think I know 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.599 what you're thinking. In my my initial pick would be 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:02.840 a receiver, just be because it's it's so right great, 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.560 So I'm gonna run with it thing because otherwise I 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.800 was going to pivot it's wide receiver. I just think 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:10.679 I was trying to think about this a couple days 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.640 ago and someone asked an insider in box, you know, 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.160 with the undrafted rookies coming into the opportunity in front 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.800 of them without their being drafted players ahead of them 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.080 as in this rookie class, and I was trying to 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.920 think of another year where it's been this wide open. 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.960 We we did talk about it last year, Okay, beyond 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.640 you know, Davante Adams and beyond Randall Cobb, what was 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:34.000 else there? This year? It's beyond Davante Adams. That number 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:35.920 two jobs up for grabs, the number three jobs up 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.720 for grabs, and those are every down positions, particularly in 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.320 Matt Lafleur's offense, No doubt so, Geronimo Allison, I think 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.280 he's set up for success. I think this is the 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:48.880 best undrafted receiver the Packers have ever had in this 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.480 Ted Thompson, Brian Goodicuin's era. I just think that there's 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.840 so many different things he offers, and I just I 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:56.920 see his skill set as something that could really be 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.160 complimented by the scheme that Lafleur wants to run. But 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.480 you also have the three rookies coming back from last year. 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.920 Marquis veld Is Scantling finished what was a third or 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.800 fourth in yards per catch amongst you know, qualifying receivers 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.680 last year. I thought Equinimius st. Brown did some good things. 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.480 Jamon Moore's the former fourth round pick Jake Kumero, despite 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.360 all of the obstacles, all the hurdles, the uphill climb 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.400 last year, still makes the fifty three and then ends 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.240 up back there after the stint on i R last year. 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.240 Trevor Davis is coming back off the hamstring injury. You 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.640 have Alan Lazard, you have Matthew Eat. They have so 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.000 many different guys that are competing for jobs. It's about 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:33.880 what they can do as returners. It's about what they 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.800 can do in the slot, in the perimeter. You have 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.280 to put together a full performance in camp to not 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.160 only earn a job, but to earn a role that's 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.320 there in this offense. And I'm excited to see that 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.600 battle play out. Yeah. I think we went into last 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.320 year feeling that with Adams and Cob that the number 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:54.560 three wide receiver spot was sort of Geronimo Allison's to lose, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.640 and he didn't. He didn't lose it. He absolutely he 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.000 grabbed hold of it right from the beginning, and nobody 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.720 really seriously challenged him for that. I think in a 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.080 lot of ways, I feel the same way about the 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.640 number two spot heading into this season, that it's Allison's 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.960 to lose, but that's not to say that somebody else 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.760 couldn't potentially rise up and grab it. And what intrigues 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.920 me about about this receiver competition coming up is, especially 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.240 when you're talking about those three draft picks from a 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:24.120 year ago, MVS and e Q and Jamon Moore, that 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.440 they were all kind of at different stages in a 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.120 way as their rookie years ended. But now they're all 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.440 going to be learning a new offense. There's a little 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.680 bit of a clean slate in some respects for all 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:38.640 of them in terms in terms of where do you 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.920 go from here? And uh and that that I think 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.520 adds a little bit of intrigue to this. And and 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.200 Ken one of them, or Ken Jake Kumero you know, 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:52.680 seriously challenged Geronimo Allison for that for that number two spot. 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.360 I think the coaching staff would love to see that 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.520 challenge developed because maybe that pushes Geronimo Willison even even 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.040 more to to uh to you know, rise above and 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.560 and produce at a level that maybe he hasn't quite 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.840 reached yet. And uh So, all of that I think 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:09.960 is very exciting and intriguing when it comes to the 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:11.880 wide receiver. Yeah, I think what it's all said and done, 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.640 assuming everything turns out okay with the core injury and 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.159 he gets the training camp, uh, you know, feeling all right? 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.040 I mean, Alison, I believe will be a starter in 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.000 this offense. The question is whether or not it's the 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.159 slot of the perimeter. They left the door open that 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.320 they feel like he could handle the slot if it 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.560 comes to that. Whereas Jake cumro I thought one of 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.840 the more interesting comments of the offseason, Matt Lafore says 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.320 he sees him as a perimeter receiver. That's his spot. So, um, yeah, 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.400 how that competition weighs out is going to be fun 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.679 to watch. But that wasn't your pick. I'm interested to 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.040 see what it was. It wasn't my pick is actually 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:42.960 and I'm staying on the offensive side of the ball, 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.280 but I'm gonna say running back. And and the reason 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:50.320 I say that is because and I could be completely 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.640 all wrong here, and we're really not going to know 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.160 how things are gonna shake out at running back until 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.639 you get to the preseason games and the carries are 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.280 real and the guys actually start getting tackled and the 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.320 pads are on. There are so many things that happen 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.159 in the live action that don't happen in a training 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.560 can't practice in terms of how a running back competition 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.040 is going to shake out. But I really feel that 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:15.240 Aaron Jones, based on his skill set and what he 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.840 would bring to a Matt Lafleur type offense, is going 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.399 to be the clear cut number one running back in 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:25.760 this offense. But the idea of Jamal Williams, Dexter Williams, 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.520 the sixth round pick from Notre Dame, who was drafted 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.600 for his specific skill set with regards to the outside 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.560 z own scheme, and then a guy like Capri Bibbs, 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.159 who has some experience in the NFL. He's he's not 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.040 a rookie, He's not just a new kid on the 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.520 block kind of thing. Those three guys, you know the 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.680 way I see you right now? I think it could 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.440 be a really really interesting competition for who's going to 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.600 be the number two. But even if I say this right, 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:54.520 not even so much necessarily who's going to be the 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.439 number two? But what role is each guy going to have? 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.879 Like where does each of the If Aaron Jones is 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.000 the number one, then where do the rest of these 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.320 running backs fit? And how are they going to be 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.399 used in an offense that we haven't seen on the 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.040 field yet. To me, that's a really uh that's a 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:15.120 really intriguing development that we're going to be following comes summertime. 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:16.840 I'm glad you raised that point because the other thing 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:18.920 that's really intriguing about it is will the Packers carry 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.080 a fullback and how does that factor? Absolutely Free Bibs 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:23.760 and Dexter Williams trying to make a bit of a 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.359 roster spot. Danny vitally was on the roster at the 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.840 end of last season. They also have Malcolm Johnson, who 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.360 is more of a traditional fullback, even though they list 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.200 them as a running back. Those guys are going to 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.119 com be competing in trait Carson who actually was on 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.560 this roster at one point last year as well. A 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.119