Speaker 1: M Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside my trusted colleague West
Speaker 1: Hodcoits were coming to you here from our studios at
Speaker 1: lambeau Field and West. I want to begin today's show
Speaker 1: with an acknowledgment that that our thoughts and concerns are
Speaker 1: with former Packers general manager Ted Thompson. After a fantastic
Speaker 1: weekend his wonderful induction into the Packers Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: he went public this week with a statement about a
Speaker 1: disorder and autonomic disorder of his nervous system that he
Speaker 1: is dealing with, and it did lead to him stepping
Speaker 1: away from the general manager role obviously after the season.
Speaker 1: I just want to say we hope and pray that
Speaker 1: he can get the treatment and UH and the management
Speaker 1: of the disease that he needs to to continue to
Speaker 1: UH to lead a fruitful life, because he certainly had
Speaker 1: a great one. Yeah. Absolutely, As I wrote an insider
Speaker 1: inbox for what was Thursday's edition, UH, Ted Thompson is
Speaker 1: not the kind of guy that's going to seek sympathy.
Speaker 1: He certainly doesn't want attention. That's never been his primory
Speaker 1: you know, objective in life, but it is something that
Speaker 1: he felt was important to come out and talk about.
Speaker 1: UM and you know it is. It's life, right, and
Speaker 1: we deal with certain things. There's certain obstacles we have
Speaker 1: to overcome. You can check out the whole statement on
Speaker 1: packers dot com for a more thorough um, you know,
Speaker 1: explanation for his thoughts and in the process that he's
Speaker 1: going through right now. You were there though on Saturday. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's just an emotional, uh, celebratory night. And I know
Speaker 1: over the past few years, and I go back to
Speaker 1: a story that from the NFL Combine in eighteen uh
Speaker 1: talking to John Snyder and one of the questions I
Speaker 1: asked him this was shortly after Ted stepped down from
Speaker 1: the GM post and John, you know, immediately got very
Speaker 1: emotional about it. You can tell how much he means
Speaker 1: to so many people, the Wolf family, you know, Snyder,
Speaker 1: John Dorsey, Reggie McKenzie was Intendance. Scott McLuhan not only
Speaker 1: from a business perspective, not only from a scout perspective,
Speaker 1: but personally one of the more humble human beings you're
Speaker 1: ever going to come across. And as you said, Michael,
Speaker 1: we obviously wish him the best. Yeah, it was. It
Speaker 1: really was a neat ceremony on Saturday night. I'll say
Speaker 1: that not only looking at who always in attendance. You
Speaker 1: mentioned Reggie Mackenzie, John Dorsey, there were video messages from
Speaker 1: John Schneider, from Charles Woodson, from Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson
Speaker 1: was there. Other Packers players current and former were there.
Speaker 1: I actually got kind of got a kick out of
Speaker 1: the brief media session that we had with Mike Reinfeldt,
Speaker 1: who was his presenter um for induction. Reinfeldt being a
Speaker 1: Houston Oilers teammate going way back in the day when
Speaker 1: when Ted was a football player, an NFL player, and
Speaker 1: and a pretty darn good one for ten years. Quite frankly,
Speaker 1: he'll never admit to and he'll never write he'll never
Speaker 1: admit to that. But for some pretty good Houston Oilers
Speaker 1: teams that came, you know, a razor thin margin from
Speaker 1: getting to a super bowler two back in the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Steelers heydays there in the a f C in the seventies.
Speaker 1: But just getting Rhin Felt's perspective on the type of
Speaker 1: the type of teammate Ted Thompson was as a player,
Speaker 1: and then as their relationship evolved and their friendship got
Speaker 1: even closer, I think as they were both executives with
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, then went their separate ways with
Speaker 1: different franchises. I just found Mike rhin felt to be
Speaker 1: a very interesting, engaging guy, and and the story that
Speaker 1: I wrote Saturday night on our website from the ceremony
Speaker 1: included a lot of comments from him. I just you know,
Speaker 1: I was really entertained as well as informed about a
Speaker 1: lot of things about Ted Thompson and what makes the
Speaker 1: man based on what rhin Feldt said. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: really interesting too, because I mean there were certain things
Speaker 1: I did know when but in terms of like actually remembering,
Speaker 1: I mean we always look at Ted Thompson from the
Speaker 1: run Wolf Tree. Rhinfeld was the one that helped facilitate that.
Speaker 1: He was the one that sort of helped him get
Speaker 1: his foot in the door from after he was doing
Speaker 1: whatever it was sales or whatever the professional he went
Speaker 1: into shortly thereafter. He's sort of an offshoot to this
Speaker 1: whole tree in terms of Ted Thompson his development, certainly
Speaker 1: two very good friends and for him to be back,
Speaker 1: you could tell, you know, even watching the videos with
Speaker 1: Ted just what that meant for him to to have
Speaker 1: Rhinfeld being the one to present him for induction, and
Speaker 1: certainly a very very emotional but a very blessed night
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, it was a neat night with uh,
Speaker 1: and I counted it up. He's Ted Thompson is only
Speaker 1: the seventh individual to ever be inducted into the Pettlers
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame as a class of one. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see if I can do this if I can
Speaker 1: remember the other six. Two of them were players, Brett Farvan,
Speaker 1: Reggie White, Reggie White being posthumously unfortunately, um, but then
Speaker 1: the others Mike Holmgren, Bob Harlan, Ron Wolf, and William
Speaker 1: Brault who was a Packers executive and the founder of
Speaker 1: the Packers Hall of Fame. So that's the class that
Speaker 1: Ted Thompson is in in terms of being an induction
Speaker 1: class of one. I think, I just I think that's
Speaker 1: a really interesting list and uh and I'm glad for
Speaker 1: Ted Thompson that he was able to have that night,
Speaker 1: you know, very much focused on him absolutely, and then
Speaker 1: obviously the focus was on him in the ceremony and
Speaker 1: everything that went into that. I do have to give
Speaker 1: a quick shout out to Cliff Crystal as well. Yes,
Speaker 1: getting the Barton Cherry Stars. I should not, I should
Speaker 1: not ignore that, but you're right, he was the only
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame induction. But it was neat to see
Speaker 1: Cliff get that honor as well. Uh, Packers historian honestly
Speaker 1: a mentor to me, a mentor to so many on
Speaker 1: this beat, just a tremendous a guy that is fully
Speaker 1: devoted to making sure that Packers history is remembered accurately.
Speaker 1: Getting those stories correct has sort of been his charge
Speaker 1: here in pseudo retirement. Yes, getting everything recorded factually, and
Speaker 1: he's been a big part of a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of what's been going on here over the hundred
Speaker 1: Seasons celebration, you know, and and all of that with
Speaker 1: regards to getting history recorded. I do have to say
Speaker 1: it was somewhat funny to see he's getting the bart
Speaker 1: and Cherry Star award. You know, if you know the
Speaker 1: history there with Cliff, he covered bart when he was
Speaker 1: the head coach as well. Cliff is as much of
Speaker 1: an intrepid bulldog reporter as it can be, um, you know,
Speaker 1: and obviously a guy that over the years, I mean, players, coaches,
Speaker 1: knew who he was and it was fitting though also
Speaker 1: to see that put onto it in in terms of
Speaker 1: his service and in what he did over the last
Speaker 1: fifty years to make sure that Packers history is remembered accurately. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: Cliff has been a treasure to have here in this
Speaker 1: building as Packers history, and we have one of the
Speaker 1: kind regular postings on our website with with historical biographies
Speaker 1: and and other perspectives on Packer's history. Just a real treasure.
Speaker 1: I learned something every time I read something that that
Speaker 1: Cliff Crystal. Right. So with that West, I want to
Speaker 1: shift years momentarily to Um. I'm just going to toss
Speaker 1: out a question here for you with regards to the
Speaker 1: Packers draft class. We've talked about a lot already. Eight
Speaker 1: players in the class, two first rounders, all of that,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, and I'll give you my
Speaker 1: answer as well. Is there one of these eight draft
Speaker 1: picks that is the most intriguing to you? In terms
Speaker 1: of what I mean by intriguing is following that player's
Speaker 1: progress through his rookie season, kind of the guy that
Speaker 1: you're maybe going to have a little bit of an
Speaker 1: extra I on just because of what you know about
Speaker 1: him and maybe what you think could be down the
Speaker 1: road for him. Is there one of those guys that
Speaker 1: stands out to you in that regard. During our pre
Speaker 1: production meeting, you threw this at me, so you gave
Speaker 1: me a chance to kind of think, and I gave
Speaker 1: you a slight form my thoughts in mind. I'm just
Speaker 1: hoping you don't pick the guy that I'm going to
Speaker 1: pick because we didn't discuss, and I might end up
Speaker 1: doing it because the first the two first round picks
Speaker 1: are too easy. Savage is going to play a lot.
Speaker 1: We're going to see a lot of him, and obviously
Speaker 1: Gary coming in with the expectations at number twelve. My
Speaker 1: is Kingsley Kiki. Did I do it? Did I pick it? No?
Speaker 1: You didn't. I have a different one, so go ahead.
Speaker 1: Keiki is interesting for me because they're just there are
Speaker 1: so many questions of what his position is going to
Speaker 1: be in the NFL, how he's going to be utilized.
Speaker 1: His weight fluctuated in college, they played him at a
Speaker 1: number of different spots, at a number of different weights. Uh,
Speaker 1: seeing him get a chance to settle in now, you
Speaker 1: don't do that in the NFL. He's not going to
Speaker 1: be asked to play at three thirty and then be
Speaker 1: down to two eight five or something like that, whatever
Speaker 1: weight the training staff figures him to be at. That's
Speaker 1: where his long term plan is going to be. So
Speaker 1: seeing him get to settle into that, I think is
Speaker 1: gonna be really intriguing. This is a guy too, I
Speaker 1: know the Packers really thought very highly of and would
Speaker 1: not be surprised at all. They had higher than a
Speaker 1: fifth round grade on him just based on his So
Speaker 1: I mean for him now to come into the NFL
Speaker 1: defensive line is a tough position. It's a tough position
Speaker 1: to get your feet in the dirt on day one
Speaker 1: and make an impact. But I really like adding him
Speaker 1: to the rotation. I just think it's been twenty three
Speaker 1: consecutive years where the Packers have drafted a defensive linemen
Speaker 1: Kingsley Kiki. I didn't know a lot about him in
Speaker 1: the pre draft process, but the more we read about him,
Speaker 1: the more film I watch of him in what he
Speaker 1: did in college, I just think that he's the type
Speaker 1: of guy that has a lot of potential and found
Speaker 1: ways to get after the quarterback in a conference where
Speaker 1: that's not always easy to do. Yeah, it definitely isn't
Speaker 1: easy to do. And my guy coincidentally is Kingsley, Kiki's teammate,
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go with j Sternberger, the third round
Speaker 1: draft pick and tight end out of Texas A and
Speaker 1: M just like Kiki and I say this, he's he's
Speaker 1: my most intriguing guy. For this reason. You and I
Speaker 1: have talked about how tight end it's a tough spot
Speaker 1: to come in and make an impact right away in
Speaker 1: the NFL. There is a developmental process to becoming a
Speaker 1: fully formed, well rounded, however you want to say it,
Speaker 1: tight end in this league. But what really intrigues me
Speaker 1: about Sternberger is this is a guy who went from
Speaker 1: junior college where when he got to that junior college
Speaker 1: and he wasn't even number one on the debt chart,
Speaker 1: he was like two or three. He works his way
Speaker 1: up at junior college, then from there he jumps into
Speaker 1: the SEC and in one season of SEC football at
Speaker 1: Texas A and my averages seventeen yards of catch and
Speaker 1: ten gets ten touchdowns. I'm not going to discount the
Speaker 1: developmental process that a guy like this needs coming into
Speaker 1: the NFL. Certainly, by all accounts, the blocking and those
Speaker 1: responsibilities that he's going to need to learn as a
Speaker 1: tight end. That's going to take some time. But a
Speaker 1: guy who can go from junior college to the SEC
Speaker 1: in one year and do what he did, it makes
Speaker 1: me really really curious just what he might be able
Speaker 1: to do in a rookie year with the Packers when
Speaker 1: he's at a position that he's not jumping in as
Speaker 1: the number one guy. Jimmy Graham is going to be
Speaker 1: the number one receiving target tight end in this offense.
Speaker 1: There's absolutely no question about that. So he doesn't have
Speaker 1: all of this pressure being thrown on him to be
Speaker 1: the guy at the position, even though the Packers clearly
Speaker 1: invested a very high draft pick in him. So for
Speaker 1: those reasons, he's kind of my most intriguing pick. As
Speaker 1: far as watching that rookie year progress, you raise a
Speaker 1: lot of great points there, namely the first one being
Speaker 1: I think he is a guy that gets it. You
Speaker 1: don't just go into the SEC. You don't go into
Speaker 1: that program with Jimbo Fisher and just hit the ground
Speaker 1: running like that. If there isn't a pretty light, you know,
Speaker 1: bright bulb in the in the light, he he has
Speaker 1: that and it will be interesting to see how quickly
Speaker 1: he can pick up this game now moving on to
Speaker 1: the next level. The other thing that I really enjoy
Speaker 1: about him and listening to his story and where he
Speaker 1: comes from, is the fact that there just seems to
Speaker 1: be a lot of untapped potential. Even with the success
Speaker 1: he had last year in the SEC and A, Texas
Speaker 1: A and M, this is a guy that I still
Speaker 1: think has his best football ahead of him in terms
Speaker 1: of just what his ceiling can be. I think that
Speaker 1: that was just scratching the surface last year, and that's
Speaker 1: certainly one of the reasons why the Packers made the
Speaker 1: move that they did to take him where they did.
Speaker 1: And lastly, you brought up the best point of all.
Speaker 1: He has a chance to learn at his own pace.
Speaker 1: That's something the tight ends here in Green Bay haven't
Speaker 1: had in quite some time. Richard Rodgers had to play
Speaker 1: a lot as a rookie. Jamichael Finley basically got shoved
Speaker 1: in there right with Donald Lee and it didn't take
Speaker 1: him too much long to sort of become that next guy.
Speaker 1: And certainly, you know, Bubba Franks when he came in
Speaker 1: as well, was looked at as the day one starter.
Speaker 1: I really like this set up for Sternberger and listening
Speaker 1: last year Robert Tony and talk about how helpful it
Speaker 1: was to work with Graham and Marcedes Lewis, how open
Speaker 1: they were with their mind and their knowledge. I just
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be the perfect compliment to set him
Speaker 1: up for success. Yeah, all right, Well with that West,
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Speaker 1: throw another question at you. I did the great on
Speaker 1: the first one. I'm excited to build some momentum and
Speaker 1: don't take my answer on this one either. Try not
Speaker 1: help it even though you don't know what my answer
Speaker 1: is going to be. All right, what what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw at you here? We're gonna between now and the
Speaker 1: end of July and even through July and August. This
Speaker 1: is a type of topic We're going to talk about
Speaker 1: a lot, But I'm just gonna throw it out there
Speaker 1: today as a as a one off, so to speak.
Speaker 1: What position battle position competition? As the Packers ninety man
Speaker 1: roster stands right now, are you most looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing unfold when training camp rolls around, the pads go on,
Speaker 1: the preseason games start, all of that. Absolutely, I think
Speaker 1: I know what this answer is. I think I know
Speaker 1: what you're thinking. In my my initial pick would be
Speaker 1: a receiver, just be because it's it's so right great,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna run with it thing because otherwise I
Speaker 1: was going to pivot it's wide receiver. I just think
Speaker 1: I was trying to think about this a couple days
Speaker 1: ago and someone asked an insider in box, you know,
Speaker 1: with the undrafted rookies coming into the opportunity in front
Speaker 1: of them without their being drafted players ahead of them
Speaker 1: as in this rookie class, and I was trying to
Speaker 1: think of another year where it's been this wide open.
Speaker 1: We we did talk about it last year, Okay, beyond
Speaker 1: you know, Davante Adams and beyond Randall Cobb, what was
Speaker 1: else there? This year? It's beyond Davante Adams. That number
Speaker 1: two jobs up for grabs, the number three jobs up
Speaker 1: for grabs, and those are every down positions, particularly in
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur's offense, No doubt so, Geronimo Allison, I think
Speaker 1: he's set up for success. I think this is the
Speaker 1: best undrafted receiver the Packers have ever had in this
Speaker 1: Ted Thompson, Brian Goodicuin's era. I just think that there's
Speaker 1: so many different things he offers, and I just I
Speaker 1: see his skill set as something that could really be
Speaker 1: complimented by the scheme that Lafleur wants to run. But
Speaker 1: you also have the three rookies coming back from last year.
Speaker 1: Marquis veld Is Scantling finished what was a third or
Speaker 1: fourth in yards per catch amongst you know, qualifying receivers
Speaker 1: last year. I thought Equinimius st. Brown did some good things.
Speaker 1: Jamon Moore's the former fourth round pick Jake Kumero, despite
Speaker 1: all of the obstacles, all the hurdles, the uphill climb
Speaker 1: last year, still makes the fifty three and then ends
Speaker 1: up back there after the stint on i R last year.
Speaker 1: Trevor Davis is coming back off the hamstring injury. You
Speaker 1: have Alan Lazard, you have Matthew Eat. They have so
Speaker 1: many different guys that are competing for jobs. It's about
Speaker 1: what they can do as returners. It's about what they
Speaker 1: can do in the slot, in the perimeter. You have
Speaker 1: to put together a full performance in camp to not
Speaker 1: only earn a job, but to earn a role that's
Speaker 1: there in this offense. And I'm excited to see that
Speaker 1: battle play out. Yeah. I think we went into last
Speaker 1: year feeling that with Adams and Cob that the number
Speaker 1: three wide receiver spot was sort of Geronimo Allison's to lose,
Speaker 1: and he didn't. He didn't lose it. He absolutely he
Speaker 1: grabbed hold of it right from the beginning, and nobody
Speaker 1: really seriously challenged him for that. I think in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, I feel the same way about the
Speaker 1: number two spot heading into this season, that it's Allison's
Speaker 1: to lose, but that's not to say that somebody else
Speaker 1: couldn't potentially rise up and grab it. And what intrigues
Speaker 1: me about about this receiver competition coming up is, especially
Speaker 1: when you're talking about those three draft picks from a
Speaker 1: year ago, MVS and e Q and Jamon Moore, that
Speaker 1: they were all kind of at different stages in a
Speaker 1: way as their rookie years ended. But now they're all
Speaker 1: going to be learning a new offense. There's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a clean slate in some respects for all
Speaker 1: of them in terms in terms of where do you
Speaker 1: go from here? And uh and that that I think
Speaker 1: adds a little bit of intrigue to this. And and
Speaker 1: Ken one of them, or Ken Jake Kumero you know,
Speaker 1: seriously challenged Geronimo Allison for that for that number two spot.
Speaker 1: I think the coaching staff would love to see that
Speaker 1: challenge developed because maybe that pushes Geronimo Willison even even
Speaker 1: more to to uh to you know, rise above and
Speaker 1: and produce at a level that maybe he hasn't quite
Speaker 1: reached yet. And uh So, all of that I think
Speaker 1: is very exciting and intriguing when it comes to the
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Yeah, I think what it's all said and done,
Speaker 1: assuming everything turns out okay with the core injury and
Speaker 1: he gets the training camp, uh, you know, feeling all right?
Speaker 1: I mean, Alison, I believe will be a starter in
Speaker 1: this offense. The question is whether or not it's the
Speaker 1: slot of the perimeter. They left the door open that
Speaker 1: they feel like he could handle the slot if it
Speaker 1: comes to that. Whereas Jake cumro I thought one of
Speaker 1: the more interesting comments of the offseason, Matt Lafore says
Speaker 1: he sees him as a perimeter receiver. That's his spot. So, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: how that competition weighs out is going to be fun
Speaker 1: to watch. But that wasn't your pick. I'm interested to
Speaker 1: see what it was. It wasn't my pick is actually
Speaker 1: and I'm staying on the offensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say running back. And and the reason
Speaker 1: I say that is because and I could be completely
Speaker 1: all wrong here, and we're really not going to know
Speaker 1: how things are gonna shake out at running back until
Speaker 1: you get to the preseason games and the carries are
Speaker 1: real and the guys actually start getting tackled and the
Speaker 1: pads are on. There are so many things that happen
Speaker 1: in the live action that don't happen in a training
Speaker 1: can't practice in terms of how a running back competition
Speaker 1: is going to shake out. But I really feel that
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, based on his skill set and what he
Speaker 1: would bring to a Matt Lafleur type offense, is going
Speaker 1: to be the clear cut number one running back in
Speaker 1: this offense. But the idea of Jamal Williams, Dexter Williams,
Speaker 1: the sixth round pick from Notre Dame, who was drafted
Speaker 1: for his specific skill set with regards to the outside
Speaker 1: z own scheme, and then a guy like Capri Bibbs,
Speaker 1: who has some experience in the NFL. He's he's not
Speaker 1: a rookie, He's not just a new kid on the
Speaker 1: block kind of thing. Those three guys, you know the
Speaker 1: way I see you right now? I think it could
Speaker 1: be a really really interesting competition for who's going to
Speaker 1: be the number two. But even if I say this right,
Speaker 1: not even so much necessarily who's going to be the
Speaker 1: number two? But what role is each guy going to have?
Speaker 1: Like where does each of the If Aaron Jones is
Speaker 1: the number one, then where do the rest of these
Speaker 1: running backs fit? And how are they going to be
Speaker 1: used in an offense that we haven't seen on the
Speaker 1: field yet. To me, that's a really uh that's a
Speaker 1: really intriguing development that we're going to be following comes summertime.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you raised that point because the other thing
Speaker 1: that's really intriguing about it is will the Packers carry
Speaker 1: a fullback and how does that factor? Absolutely Free Bibs
Speaker 1: and Dexter Williams trying to make a bit of a
Speaker 1: roster spot. Danny vitally was on the roster at the
Speaker 1: end of last season. They also have Malcolm Johnson, who
Speaker 1: is more of a traditional fullback, even though they list
Speaker 1: them as a running back. Those guys are going to
Speaker 1: com be competing in trait Carson who actually was on
Speaker 1: this roster at one point last year as well. A
Speaker 1: lot of depth, a lot of versatility in it. The
Speaker 1: great thing is you're gonna be able to see it
Speaker 1: in training camp and you'll see it in the preseason.
Speaker 1: That's when those guys really get a chance to show
Speaker 1: what they can really what they can do. I really
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to shine. And uh, yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I think it's it's Aaron Jones. It's Jamal
Speaker 1: Williams and trying to figure out the rest of the
Speaker 1: depth chart after that's gonna be fun to watch. Yeah, alright, Well,
Speaker 1: with that, West, I think we're gonna call it a
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