1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: M Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside my trusted colleague West 3 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Hodcoits were coming to you here from our studios at 4 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: lambeau Field and West. I want to begin today's show 5 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: with an acknowledgment that that our thoughts and concerns are 6 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: with former Packers general manager Ted Thompson. After a fantastic 7 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: weekend his wonderful induction into the Packers Hall of Fame, 8 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: he went public this week with a statement about a 9 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: disorder and autonomic disorder of his nervous system that he 10 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: is dealing with, and it did lead to him stepping 11 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: away from the general manager role obviously after the season. 12 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: I just want to say we hope and pray that 13 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: he can get the treatment and UH and the management 14 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: of the disease that he needs to to continue to 15 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: UH to lead a fruitful life, because he certainly had 16 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: a great one. Yeah. Absolutely, As I wrote an insider 17 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: inbox for what was Thursday's edition, UH, Ted Thompson is 18 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: not the kind of guy that's going to seek sympathy. 19 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: He certainly doesn't want attention. That's never been his primory 20 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: you know, objective in life, but it is something that 21 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: he felt was important to come out and talk about. 22 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: UM and you know it is. It's life, right, and 23 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: we deal with certain things. There's certain obstacles we have 24 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: to overcome. You can check out the whole statement on 25 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: packers dot com for a more thorough um, you know, 26 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: explanation for his thoughts and in the process that he's 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: going through right now. You were there though on Saturday. Uh, 28 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: it's just an emotional, uh, celebratory night. And I know 29 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: over the past few years, and I go back to 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: a story that from the NFL Combine in eighteen uh 31 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: talking to John Snyder and one of the questions I 32 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: asked him this was shortly after Ted stepped down from 33 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: the GM post and John, you know, immediately got very 34 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: emotional about it. You can tell how much he means 35 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: to so many people, the Wolf family, you know, Snyder, 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: John Dorsey, Reggie McKenzie was Intendance. Scott McLuhan not only 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: from a business perspective, not only from a scout perspective, 38 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: but personally one of the more humble human beings you're 39 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: ever going to come across. And as you said, Michael, 40 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: we obviously wish him the best. Yeah, it was. It 41 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: really was a neat ceremony on Saturday night. I'll say 42 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: that not only looking at who always in attendance. You 43 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: mentioned Reggie Mackenzie, John Dorsey, there were video messages from 44 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: John Schneider, from Charles Woodson, from Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson 45 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: was there. Other Packers players current and former were there. 46 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: I actually got kind of got a kick out of 47 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: the brief media session that we had with Mike Reinfeldt, 48 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: who was his presenter um for induction. Reinfeldt being a 49 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: Houston Oilers teammate going way back in the day when 50 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: when Ted was a football player, an NFL player, and 51 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: and a pretty darn good one for ten years. Quite frankly, 52 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: he'll never admit to and he'll never write he'll never 53 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: admit to that. But for some pretty good Houston Oilers 54 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: teams that came, you know, a razor thin margin from 55 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: getting to a super bowler two back in the Pittsburgh 56 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: Steelers heydays there in the a f C in the seventies. 57 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: But just getting Rhin Felt's perspective on the type of 58 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: the type of teammate Ted Thompson was as a player, 59 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: and then as their relationship evolved and their friendship got 60 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: even closer, I think as they were both executives with 61 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, then went their separate ways with 62 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: different franchises. I just found Mike rhin felt to be 63 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: a very interesting, engaging guy, and and the story that 64 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: I wrote Saturday night on our website from the ceremony 65 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: included a lot of comments from him. I just you know, 66 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: I was really entertained as well as informed about a 67 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: lot of things about Ted Thompson and what makes the 68 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: man based on what rhin Feldt said. Yeah, it was 69 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: really interesting too, because I mean there were certain things 70 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: I did know when but in terms of like actually remembering, 71 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: I mean we always look at Ted Thompson from the 72 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: run Wolf Tree. Rhinfeld was the one that helped facilitate that. 73 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: He was the one that sort of helped him get 74 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: his foot in the door from after he was doing 75 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: whatever it was sales or whatever the professional he went 76 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: into shortly thereafter. He's sort of an offshoot to this 77 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: whole tree in terms of Ted Thompson his development, certainly 78 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: two very good friends and for him to be back, 79 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: you could tell, you know, even watching the videos with 80 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: Ted just what that meant for him to to have 81 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: Rhinfeld being the one to present him for induction, and 82 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: certainly a very very emotional but a very blessed night 83 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, it was a neat night with uh, 84 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: and I counted it up. He's Ted Thompson is only 85 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: the seventh individual to ever be inducted into the Pettlers 86 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame as a class of one. And I'm 87 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: gonna see if I can do this if I can 88 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: remember the other six. Two of them were players, Brett Farvan, 89 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: Reggie White, Reggie White being posthumously unfortunately, um, but then 90 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 1: the others Mike Holmgren, Bob Harlan, Ron Wolf, and William 91 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: Brault who was a Packers executive and the founder of 92 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: the Packers Hall of Fame. So that's the class that 93 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: Ted Thompson is in in terms of being an induction 94 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: class of one. I think, I just I think that's 95 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: a really interesting list and uh and I'm glad for 96 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: Ted Thompson that he was able to have that night, 97 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: you know, very much focused on him absolutely, and then 98 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: obviously the focus was on him in the ceremony and 99 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: everything that went into that. I do have to give 100 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: a quick shout out to Cliff Crystal as well. Yes, 101 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: getting the Barton Cherry Stars. I should not, I should 102 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: not ignore that, but you're right, he was the only 103 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame induction. But it was neat to see 104 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: Cliff get that honor as well. Uh, Packers historian honestly 105 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: a mentor to me, a mentor to so many on 106 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: this beat, just a tremendous a guy that is fully 107 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: devoted to making sure that Packers history is remembered accurately. 108 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: Getting those stories correct has sort of been his charge 109 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: here in pseudo retirement. Yes, getting everything recorded factually, and 110 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: he's been a big part of a lot of a 111 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: lot of what's been going on here over the hundred 112 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: Seasons celebration, you know, and and all of that with 113 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: regards to getting history recorded. I do have to say 114 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: it was somewhat funny to see he's getting the bart 115 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: and Cherry Star award. You know, if you know the 116 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: history there with Cliff, he covered bart when he was 117 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: the head coach as well. Cliff is as much of 118 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: an intrepid bulldog reporter as it can be, um, you know, 119 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: and obviously a guy that over the years, I mean, players, coaches, 120 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: knew who he was and it was fitting though also 121 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: to see that put onto it in in terms of 122 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,559 Speaker 1: his service and in what he did over the last 123 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: fifty years to make sure that Packers history is remembered accurately. Yeah. Well, 124 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: Cliff has been a treasure to have here in this 125 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: building as Packers history, and we have one of the 126 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: kind regular postings on our website with with historical biographies 127 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: and and other perspectives on Packer's history. Just a real treasure. 128 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: I learned something every time I read something that that 129 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: Cliff Crystal. Right. So with that West, I want to 130 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: shift years momentarily to Um. I'm just going to toss 131 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: out a question here for you with regards to the 132 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: Packers draft class. We've talked about a lot already. Eight 133 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: players in the class, two first rounders, all of that, 134 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, and I'll give you my 135 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: answer as well. Is there one of these eight draft 136 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: picks that is the most intriguing to you? In terms 137 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: of what I mean by intriguing is following that player's 138 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: progress through his rookie season, kind of the guy that 139 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: you're maybe going to have a little bit of an 140 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: extra I on just because of what you know about 141 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: him and maybe what you think could be down the 142 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: road for him. Is there one of those guys that 143 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: stands out to you in that regard. During our pre 144 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: production meeting, you threw this at me, so you gave 145 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: me a chance to kind of think, and I gave 146 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: you a slight form my thoughts in mind. I'm just 147 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: hoping you don't pick the guy that I'm going to 148 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: pick because we didn't discuss, and I might end up 149 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: doing it because the first the two first round picks 150 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: are too easy. Savage is going to play a lot. 151 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: We're going to see a lot of him, and obviously 152 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: Gary coming in with the expectations at number twelve. My 153 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: is Kingsley Kiki. Did I do it? Did I pick it? No? 154 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: You didn't. I have a different one, so go ahead. 155 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: Keiki is interesting for me because they're just there are 156 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: so many questions of what his position is going to 157 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: be in the NFL, how he's going to be utilized. 158 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: His weight fluctuated in college, they played him at a 159 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: number of different spots, at a number of different weights. Uh, 160 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: seeing him get a chance to settle in now, you 161 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: don't do that in the NFL. He's not going to 162 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: be asked to play at three thirty and then be 163 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: down to two eight five or something like that, whatever 164 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: weight the training staff figures him to be at. That's 165 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: where his long term plan is going to be. So 166 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: seeing him get to settle into that, I think is 167 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: gonna be really intriguing. This is a guy too, I 168 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: know the Packers really thought very highly of and would 169 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: not be surprised at all. They had higher than a 170 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: fifth round grade on him just based on his So 171 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: I mean for him now to come into the NFL 172 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: defensive line is a tough position. It's a tough position 173 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: to get your feet in the dirt on day one 174 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: and make an impact. But I really like adding him 175 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: to the rotation. I just think it's been twenty three 176 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: consecutive years where the Packers have drafted a defensive linemen 177 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 1: Kingsley Kiki. I didn't know a lot about him in 178 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: the pre draft process, but the more we read about him, 179 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: the more film I watch of him in what he 180 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: did in college, I just think that he's the type 181 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: of guy that has a lot of potential and found 182 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: ways to get after the quarterback in a conference where 183 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: that's not always easy to do. Yeah, it definitely isn't 184 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: easy to do. And my guy coincidentally is Kingsley, Kiki's teammate, 185 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go with j Sternberger, the third round 186 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: draft pick and tight end out of Texas A and 187 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: M just like Kiki and I say this, he's he's 188 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: my most intriguing guy. For this reason. You and I 189 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: have talked about how tight end it's a tough spot 190 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: to come in and make an impact right away in 191 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: the NFL. There is a developmental process to becoming a 192 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: fully formed, well rounded, however you want to say it, 193 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: tight end in this league. But what really intrigues me 194 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: about Sternberger is this is a guy who went from 195 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: junior college where when he got to that junior college 196 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: and he wasn't even number one on the debt chart, 197 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: he was like two or three. He works his way 198 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: up at junior college, then from there he jumps into 199 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: the SEC and in one season of SEC football at 200 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: Texas A and my averages seventeen yards of catch and 201 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: ten gets ten touchdowns. I'm not going to discount the 202 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: developmental process that a guy like this needs coming into 203 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: the NFL. Certainly, by all accounts, the blocking and those 204 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: responsibilities that he's going to need to learn as a 205 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: tight end. That's going to take some time. But a 206 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: guy who can go from junior college to the SEC 207 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: in one year and do what he did, it makes 208 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: me really really curious just what he might be able 209 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: to do in a rookie year with the Packers when 210 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: he's at a position that he's not jumping in as 211 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: the number one guy. Jimmy Graham is going to be 212 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: the number one receiving target tight end in this offense. 213 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: There's absolutely no question about that. So he doesn't have 214 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: all of this pressure being thrown on him to be 215 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: the guy at the position, even though the Packers clearly 216 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: invested a very high draft pick in him. So for 217 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: those reasons, he's kind of my most intriguing pick. As 218 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,599 Speaker 1: far as watching that rookie year progress, you raise a 219 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: lot of great points there, namely the first one being 220 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: I think he is a guy that gets it. You 221 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: don't just go into the SEC. You don't go into 222 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: that program with Jimbo Fisher and just hit the ground 223 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: running like that. If there isn't a pretty light, you know, 224 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: bright bulb in the in the light, he he has 225 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: that and it will be interesting to see how quickly 226 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: he can pick up this game now moving on to 227 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: the next level. The other thing that I really enjoy 228 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: about him and listening to his story and where he 229 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: comes from, is the fact that there just seems to 230 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: be a lot of untapped potential. Even with the success 231 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: he had last year in the SEC and A, Texas 232 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: A and M, this is a guy that I still 233 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: think has his best football ahead of him in terms 234 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: of just what his ceiling can be. I think that 235 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: that was just scratching the surface last year, and that's 236 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: certainly one of the reasons why the Packers made the 237 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: move that they did to take him where they did. 238 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: And lastly, you brought up the best point of all. 239 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: He has a chance to learn at his own pace. 240 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: That's something the tight ends here in Green Bay haven't 241 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: had in quite some time. Richard Rodgers had to play 242 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: a lot as a rookie. Jamichael Finley basically got shoved 243 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: in there right with Donald Lee and it didn't take 244 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: him too much long to sort of become that next guy. 245 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: And certainly, you know, Bubba Franks when he came in 246 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: as well, was looked at as the day one starter. 247 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: I really like this set up for Sternberger and listening 248 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: last year Robert Tony and talk about how helpful it 249 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: was to work with Graham and Marcedes Lewis, how open 250 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: they were with their mind and their knowledge. I just 251 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: think that's gonna be the perfect compliment to set him 252 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: up for success. 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So grab a warm bowl of Campbell's Chunky Soup. 261 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: It's meedy goodness fuels the greatness of Packers fans everywhere. 262 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: I try the delicious classic chicken noodle soup. Just visit 263 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: your local supermarket and ask for Campbell's Chunky Sup Official 264 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: sup partner of the Green Bay Packers. Okay, I'm gonna 265 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: throw another question at you. I did the great on 266 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: the first one. I'm excited to build some momentum and 267 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: don't take my answer on this one either. Try not 268 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: help it even though you don't know what my answer 269 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: is going to be. All right, what what I'm gonna 270 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: throw at you here? We're gonna between now and the 271 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: end of July and even through July and August. This 272 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: is a type of topic We're going to talk about 273 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: a lot, But I'm just gonna throw it out there 274 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: today as a as a one off, so to speak. 275 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: What position battle position competition? As the Packers ninety man 276 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: roster stands right now, are you most looking forward to 277 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: seeing unfold when training camp rolls around, the pads go on, 278 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: the preseason games start, all of that. Absolutely, I think 279 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: I know what this answer is. I think I know 280 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: what you're thinking. In my my initial pick would be 281 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: a receiver, just be because it's it's so right great, 282 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna run with it thing because otherwise I 283 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: was going to pivot it's wide receiver. I just think 284 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: I was trying to think about this a couple days 285 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: ago and someone asked an insider in box, you know, 286 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: with the undrafted rookies coming into the opportunity in front 287 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: of them without their being drafted players ahead of them 288 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: as in this rookie class, and I was trying to 289 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: think of another year where it's been this wide open. 290 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: We we did talk about it last year, Okay, beyond 291 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, Davante Adams and beyond Randall Cobb, what was 292 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: else there? This year? It's beyond Davante Adams. That number 293 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: two jobs up for grabs, the number three jobs up 294 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: for grabs, and those are every down positions, particularly in 295 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur's offense, No doubt so, Geronimo Allison, I think 296 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: he's set up for success. I think this is the 297 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: best undrafted receiver the Packers have ever had in this 298 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: Ted Thompson, Brian Goodicuin's era. I just think that there's 299 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: so many different things he offers, and I just I 300 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: see his skill set as something that could really be 301 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: complimented by the scheme that Lafleur wants to run. But 302 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: you also have the three rookies coming back from last year. 303 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: Marquis veld Is Scantling finished what was a third or 304 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: fourth in yards per catch amongst you know, qualifying receivers 305 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: last year. I thought Equinimius st. Brown did some good things. 306 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: Jamon Moore's the former fourth round pick Jake Kumero, despite 307 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: all of the obstacles, all the hurdles, the uphill climb 308 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: last year, still makes the fifty three and then ends 309 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: up back there after the stint on i R last year. 310 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: Trevor Davis is coming back off the hamstring injury. You 311 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: have Alan Lazard, you have Matthew Eat. They have so 312 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: many different guys that are competing for jobs. It's about 313 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: what they can do as returners. It's about what they 314 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: can do in the slot, in the perimeter. You have 315 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: to put together a full performance in camp to not 316 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: only earn a job, but to earn a role that's 317 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: there in this offense. And I'm excited to see that 318 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: battle play out. Yeah. I think we went into last 319 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: year feeling that with Adams and Cob that the number 320 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: three wide receiver spot was sort of Geronimo Allison's to lose, 321 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: and he didn't. He didn't lose it. He absolutely he 322 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: grabbed hold of it right from the beginning, and nobody 323 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: really seriously challenged him for that. I think in a 324 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: lot of ways, I feel the same way about the 325 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: number two spot heading into this season, that it's Allison's 326 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: to lose, but that's not to say that somebody else 327 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: couldn't potentially rise up and grab it. And what intrigues 328 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: me about about this receiver competition coming up is, especially 329 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: when you're talking about those three draft picks from a 330 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: year ago, MVS and e Q and Jamon Moore, that 331 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: they were all kind of at different stages in a 332 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: way as their rookie years ended. But now they're all 333 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: going to be learning a new offense. There's a little 334 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: bit of a clean slate in some respects for all 335 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: of them in terms in terms of where do you 336 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: go from here? And uh and that that I think 337 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: adds a little bit of intrigue to this. And and 338 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: Ken one of them, or Ken Jake Kumero you know, 339 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: seriously challenged Geronimo Allison for that for that number two spot. 340 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: I think the coaching staff would love to see that 341 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: challenge developed because maybe that pushes Geronimo Willison even even 342 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: more to to uh to you know, rise above and 343 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: and produce at a level that maybe he hasn't quite 344 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: reached yet. And uh So, all of that I think 345 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: is very exciting and intriguing when it comes to the 346 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: wide receiver. Yeah, I think what it's all said and done, 347 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: assuming everything turns out okay with the core injury and 348 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: he gets the training camp, uh, you know, feeling all right? 349 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Alison, I believe will be a starter in 350 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: this offense. The question is whether or not it's the 351 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: slot of the perimeter. They left the door open that 352 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: they feel like he could handle the slot if it 353 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: comes to that. Whereas Jake cumro I thought one of 354 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: the more interesting comments of the offseason, Matt Lafore says 355 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: he sees him as a perimeter receiver. That's his spot. So, um, yeah, 356 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: how that competition weighs out is going to be fun 357 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: to watch. But that wasn't your pick. I'm interested to 358 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: see what it was. It wasn't my pick is actually 359 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: and I'm staying on the offensive side of the ball, 360 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say running back. And and the reason 361 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: I say that is because and I could be completely 362 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: all wrong here, and we're really not going to know 363 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: how things are gonna shake out at running back until 364 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: you get to the preseason games and the carries are 365 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: real and the guys actually start getting tackled and the 366 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: pads are on. There are so many things that happen 367 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: in the live action that don't happen in a training 368 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: can't practice in terms of how a running back competition 369 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: is going to shake out. But I really feel that 370 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, based on his skill set and what he 371 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: would bring to a Matt Lafleur type offense, is going 372 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: to be the clear cut number one running back in 373 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: this offense. But the idea of Jamal Williams, Dexter Williams, 374 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: the sixth round pick from Notre Dame, who was drafted 375 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: for his specific skill set with regards to the outside 376 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: z own scheme, and then a guy like Capri Bibbs, 377 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: who has some experience in the NFL. He's he's not 378 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: a rookie, He's not just a new kid on the 379 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: block kind of thing. Those three guys, you know the 380 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: way I see you right now? I think it could 381 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: be a really really interesting competition for who's going to 382 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: be the number two. But even if I say this right, 383 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: not even so much necessarily who's going to be the 384 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: number two? But what role is each guy going to have? 385 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: Like where does each of the If Aaron Jones is 386 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: the number one, then where do the rest of these 387 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: running backs fit? And how are they going to be 388 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: used in an offense that we haven't seen on the 389 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: field yet. To me, that's a really uh that's a 390 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: really intriguing development that we're going to be following comes summertime. 391 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad you raised that point because the other thing 392 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: that's really intriguing about it is will the Packers carry 393 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: a fullback and how does that factor? Absolutely Free Bibs 394 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: and Dexter Williams trying to make a bit of a 395 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: roster spot. Danny vitally was on the roster at the 396 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: end of last season. They also have Malcolm Johnson, who 397 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: is more of a traditional fullback, even though they list 398 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: them as a running back. Those guys are going to 399 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: com be competing in trait Carson who actually was on 400 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: this roster at one point last year as well. A 401 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: lot of depth, a lot of versatility in it. The 402 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: great thing is you're gonna be able to see it 403 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: in training camp and you'll see it in the preseason. 404 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: That's when those guys really get a chance to show 405 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: what they can really what they can do. I really 406 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to shine. And uh, yeah, I agree 407 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: with you. I think it's it's Aaron Jones. It's Jamal 408 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: Williams and trying to figure out the rest of the 409 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: depth chart after that's gonna be fun to watch. Yeah, alright, Well, 410 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: with that, West, I think we're gonna call it a 411 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: wrap on this edition of Packer's Own Scripted. Be sure 412 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the team on 413 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: packers dot com, subscribe to our podcast, and like us 414 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: on iTunes and other podcast services. If you're so inclined 415 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: on Twitter, you can follow him at West Hot. I'm 416 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: at Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks 417 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: for tuning in, everybody, We'll see you next time.