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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to another episode of the Action

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Speaker 1: Networked NFL podcast. I'm Matthew Friedman, the editor in chief

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Speaker 1: of Fantasy Labs. We just had the Combine this past weekend,

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Speaker 1: and last week we previewed the event. This week we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about combine winners and losers. Is it

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Speaker 1: totally wrong for us to talk about some incredibly athletic

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna do it anyway. Here with me is

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Speaker 1: Ian Hartitz, the director of the Fantasy Labs NFL platform

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Speaker 1: and an Action Network analyst. You can follow Ian in

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Speaker 1: the Action Network app at Iheartitz. Also use the app

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Speaker 1: to get real time odds and track your bets for free. Ian,

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Speaker 1: how is he going going?

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Speaker 3: Good Man?

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Speaker 2: Happy to talk about some combine numbers. I was laughing

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Speaker 2: on it over the weekend. Odell Beckham Junior saying he's

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Speaker 2: more of a four to three guy, even though he

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Speaker 2: combine really helped his stock, is apparently against it. So

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Speaker 2: interesting opinions all around. But hey, anytime we can talk

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Speaker 1: tracking the combine looking forward quite a bit of this conversation.

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Speaker 2: So last week, Big Thing had a bunch of props

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Speaker 3: Will be broken. Well, none of them were broken.

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Speaker 2: go back and listen. But all right, fastest forty yard

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Speaker 2: but Matt, we did see a few guys at least

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean safety Zedric Woods had the combine record

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Speaker 1: both at the wide receiver position. Both of them significantly

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Speaker 2: The wide receivers are flying all weekend. Highest vertical jump

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Speaker 2: record of forty five inches by Chris Conley said in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Safety one Thornhill had forty four. He wasn't getting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so David Long once again had the high market

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Speaker 2: sixty yard shuttle set by Shelton Gibson twenty eleven ten

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Speaker 2: to some of the winners specifically from each day of

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So he's someone I really wasn't looking at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, maybe didn't do the bench because

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Speaker 2: Next loser running back Elijah holy Feel from Georgia. You know,

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Speaker 2: That's adverage quickly becoming my favorite part of the week.

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Speaker 2: We cannot talk about the combine without talking about height.

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Speaker 2: There's one player that mattered more than anyone else. Kyler

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Speaker 1: because instead of having Rosen, and let's say like Bosa

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Speaker 1: or Keenan Williams, They'll have Murray and a second round

439
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Speaker 1: pick or a third round pick, So like they have

440
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 1: to think of, like what is it really worth? So

441
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,439
Speaker 1: that's I think for me the big question. But if

442
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 1: it's just in a vacuum Kyler Murray versus Josh Rosen,

443
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 1: I think, no question. I think Murray's better, and I

444
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 1: think they probably think Murray's better.

445
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Murray at the end of the day

446
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 2: will be like even the higher rated prospect at the

447
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,679
Speaker 2: time of you know, the draft as compared to Rosen

448
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 2: was last year. But yeah, like you were saying, there's

449
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 2: some possible situation for Rosen.

450
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Speaker 3: To kind of succeed in last year.

451
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Speaker 2: All right, Now for the wide receivers, Matt, I know,

452
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 2: potentially your favorite positional group in this entire draft class

453
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 2: and the one guy that everyone has an opinion on

454
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Speaker 2: d K Metcalf. Tell me about the most polarized in

455
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Speaker 2: player on fanacy, football and draft Twitter.

456
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so in a group that I think owned the

457
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: combine or one of the groups that owned the combine,

458
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf was the star amongst a lot of great

459
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: wide receivers. He was the outlier so big at six

460
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: three and two hundred and twenty eight pounds. I have

461
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 1: to say, I'm amazed he was only two hundred and

462
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 1: twenty eight eight pounds, which is how impressive.

463
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 3: He looks one percent body fat.

464
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that that number cannot be real, Like I think

465
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: that is physically impossible. Like if you have one percent

466
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: body fat, you were basically like a walking stone. So anyway,

467
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, explosive fast with the you know, legendary four

468
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: point three three second forty Yeah, I mean I was wrong.

469
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 1: I was totally wrong on how fast he would be.

470
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: It's just unreal. But he had almost no agility. He

471
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: had horrible agility tests, and like by horrible, I mean

472
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Speaker 1: like sub Tom Brady as a prospect agility. So it's

473
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 1: just like a question, like you and you kind of

474
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: saw that on the film, Like he was a guy

475
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: he had a very limited route tree. He wasn't asked

476
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Speaker 1: to run a lot of routes where he had to

477
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: change direction, and like now you kind of understand why,

478
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Speaker 1: like because that's just not something that at this point

479
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: seems to be within his skill set. Maybe that's a

480
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 1: skill he develops later, but at this point. He's a

481
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 1: big guy with a straight line speed who can run

482
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 1: deep and out jump everybody for the ball. That is

483
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Speaker 1: what he can do, or maybe you get it to

484
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: him very quickly and then he just outruns everybody. But

485
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: he was good at catching the ball, and given his

486
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Speaker 1: size his skill set, I think he will be a

487
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Speaker 1: top ten, top fifteen pick. I would lean more towards

488
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Speaker 1: top ten.

489
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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.

490
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 2: We'll see if teams have any bad things to say

491
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: about his injury testings. Of course, he finished the year

492
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: with that neck injury wasn't able to continue. But yeah,

493
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Speaker 2: I love this quote that he calls fifty to fifty

494
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: balls and ninety nine to one balls because nine to

495
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: nine percent of the time he'll catch him and one

496
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: percent of time was probably a bad throw. So got

497
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Speaker 2: to have that kind of confidence, that wide receiver. But

498
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Speaker 2: now let's talk about his teammate, AJ Brown, who a

499
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Speaker 2: lot of people will pointed out, you know, a number

500
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Speaker 2: one receiver at will Miss.

501
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean for all of the talk that Metcalf gets,

502
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: I mean Brown had his own fantastic performance at the combine.

503
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Speaker 1: And this is a guy who actually had production in

504
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: the SEC for two years in a row as the

505
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: number one receiver on the team two hundred and twenty

506
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Speaker 1: six pounds, so a big guy like Thick and ran

507
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: a four point four nine second forty, which is fantastic

508
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: for a guy of that size. So he should be

509
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: a locked in first rounder. I would draft him before

510
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Speaker 1: DK Metcalf in you know, like the quote unquote real

511
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: life draft and in dynasty drafts, like rookie drafts, I

512
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: would want Brown before Metcalf. But yeah, of those two,

513
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: Brown he didn't outshine Metcalf, but he more than held

514
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: his own.

515
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 2: You can definitely have a better opinion on one versus

516
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: the other. But I think at this point we can

517
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 2: safely say both guys are pretty great prospects. So even

518
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: if you prefer one to the other, I mean both

519
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: these guys are looking like potential number one picks.

520
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah in the first round.

521
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: Okay, and earlier we mentioned Paris Campbell and Andy Isabella

522
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 2: as just two of the biggest speedzers and blazers at

523
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: the combine. Tell me what you think about these guys

524
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: in their potential jost spots.

525
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Campbell was a guy that I just I

526
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: wasn't really buying it, and the I would say, probably

527
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: the worst pick I had. The worst sort of analytical

528
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: perspective I had on this was that Campbell would not

529
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: be as fast as everyone thought he would be, and

530
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: he was faster than everyone thought he would. Like his

531
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: over under was four point three eight, and I think

532
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: at one point it was plus two hundred to take

533
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Speaker 1: the over, So I I mean I took the over

534
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Speaker 1: because it's like, how often are you going to have

535
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Speaker 1: a guy who's two hundred pounds maybe a little bit

536
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Speaker 1: heavier than two hundred pounds run a sub four to

537
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: three eight, Like it just it doesn't happen all that often,

538
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: but it happened. So he was productive in Ohio State,

539
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: obviously showed the athleticism. I think he's going to be

540
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: a low first round pick and if not, definitely a

541
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Speaker 1: second rounder. And then Isabella Man, this guy, like people

542
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: aren't going to come up with the right comps for him,

543
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: Like they're going to say he's sort of like Wes

544
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: Welger or like Julian Edelman, but like he's Brandon Cooks

545
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,479
Speaker 1: or Tyler Lockett. That's literally the type of player he is,

546
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: with his speed, with his size, not with just the

547
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: receiving production he had but also with the rushing production

548
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: that he had in college and then his ability as

549
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: a return man. Like he's not going to be drafted

550
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: in the first round, but like man, he could produce

551
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: like a first rounder. But I think he's locked into

552
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: Day two at this point. Some team is going to

553
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: get a really good player. He's like Welker and Edelman

554
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: if they were actually fast. That's the type of ability

555
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: that he has. So I'm definitely moving him up my

556
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: rookie rankings.

557
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 2: Good stuff, and yeah, you mentioned from this wide receiver class,

558
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: just pretty impressive as a whole. One good point from

559
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 2: Cynthia Friluin and her top twelve numbers from the combine.

560
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: Four point four to nine seconds was actually the average

561
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Speaker 2: forty yard dash in the wide receiver group. And that's

562
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: the first time in the last fifteen years that it's

563
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: actually been under sub four or five numbers.

564
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Speaker 3: So unbelievable.

565
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: And so all right, now we'll talk about one guy

566
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: it's not technically a wide receiver, but can certainly line

567
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: up as one.

568
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 3: And look the part no tight end from Iowa we have.

569
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 2: You know, rookie tight ends in general don't easily do

570
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 2: so great as fantasy performers in year one, but we

571
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: have seen some guys like O. J. Howard, a little bit,

572
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: Evan Ingram, the more athletic versions kind of bucked that

573
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: trying a little bit.

574
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Speaker 3: Do you think Fan could be that guy?

575
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: Maybe it's hard to know. I have him slotted right

576
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: now going to the Packers at number thirty in the

577
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: pre combined mock, and I was expecting him to be

578
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: pretty athletic. So this doesn't really change much of my

579
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 1: opinion on him, but it does make me feel more

580
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: confident in projecting him to the first round. And like

581
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: he had a lot of hype entering the combine, he

582
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: lived up to it. That four point five second forty

583
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: at two hundred and forty nine pounds is just unbelievable.

584
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: Great explosiveness, great agility, wherever he goes, like his team

585
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: is getting it. An absolute player, He's like like what

586
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: Mike Gisiki was to last year's draft, just in terms

587
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: of like overall physical profile. That's what Fans is, except

588
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: probably even a better producer. So I don't know if

589
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a Year one type of player. It's

590
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: just hard to project at the tight end position, but

591
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: I think at some point he makes an NFL impact.

592
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: He's give me flashback someone. I had way too much

593
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 2: Mike to Secu week one exposure on Dackkins and that

594
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: did not work out. So that's a reminder to you know,

595
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 2: not always put your whole heart and soul in these

596
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: combine numbers when it comes to fantasy in the first.

597
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 4: Hey get sick, he still has time, you know, sure,

598
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 4: absolutely absolutely, It just you know, landing spot depth chart

599
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 4: certainly matters as much, if not more than our combine numbers,

600
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 4: as much as we love them all right Now, some

601
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 4: of the losers from Day two other than I guess

602
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray, we saw some good things from Dwayne Haskins

603
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 4: throwing the ball, but Tyree Jackson is a guy that

604
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 4: kind of ended up getting a lot of buzz as well.

605
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: What do you think about Jackson?

606
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would say, like for the loser category,

607
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: I would put Dwayne Haskins here if I thought that

608
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: running actually mattered, But like it, it really doesn't matter

609
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: so much for him, Like we were kind of expecting

610
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: him to be rather unathletic and he was. Tyree Jackson's

611
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: interesting because like he has great size at six seven

612
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty nine pounds. He has his strong arm,

613
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: and he's blazing fast for that size. A four point

614
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: five to nine forty two hundred and forty nine pounds

615
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: and six seven that's really impressive. But he's not good

616
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: throwing the ball, which basically makes him like a low

617
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: round Josh Allen. He's coming out a year early from college.

618
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: He doesn't have great accuracy. It would have been nice

619
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: if he had been able to go back to college

620
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: one more year and put a good season on tape.

621
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: He needed to impress throwing the ball at the combine,

622
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: but he didn't look great. So in a class that

623
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: was wide open after the top two quarterbacks, he really

624
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: could have made a case to be selected on day two.

625
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: But he, you know, he didn't impress.

626
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: So he's got his tall, big arm. CN Denver, I guess, tyree.

627
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, really if John Elways selected him in round three,

628
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: it would be like, of course this happened.

629
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,239
Speaker 3: Man, all right.

630
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: Now, a couple of wide receivers that also didn't have

631
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: the best weekend, Kelvin Harmon and Greg Dortch. Tell me

632
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: what didn't quite go so long with these guys?

633
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Harmon, he had first round hype entering the combine.

634
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: He wasn't horrible. He had a four point six second

635
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: forty time at six two and two hundred and twenty

636
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: one pounds and a normal year that would seem just fine.

637
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: But this wasn't a normal year. This was a year

638
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: in which all of the other wide receivers just exploded.

639
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: So he still might be a first rounder, you know, Like,

640
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going to drop out of

641
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: the first round. I think he still has that type

642
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: of caliber of skill set, but he lost ground relative

643
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: to some of the other wide receivers. And then Greg

644
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: Dortsch is sort of like the like the metric Draft

645
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: Knick dream wide receiver, just in terms of like he

646
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 1: was very productive in college at Wake Forest from a

647
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: market share perspective, had a lot of different ways in

648
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: which he got his production and is very young. But

649
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: he's small, you know, so small, like I mean really small,

650
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: five to seven, one hundred and seventy three pounds, So

651
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: when the guys are small, like, I think he needs

652
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: to be fast, and he didn't. He didn't do any

653
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: of the drills at the combine, So to me, that's

654
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of a red flag. It just looks

655
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: bad by comparison relative to all of the other wide receivers,

656
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: So he really needs to impress at his pro day.

657
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: But even then, I don't know, Like I was thinking,

658
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: he might be like a third round guy, and I'm

659
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: gonna probably start to slot him into more of like

660
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth round range.

661
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

662
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're just not doing anything Jon's and

663
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: even giving yourself a chance to rise the top, is

664
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: just hard to call that anything by a losing performance

665
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: at a place where all we're trying to do is

666
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: see their dull times. All right, last loser from day

667
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: two Caden Smith, Stanford tight end. We've seen Stanford and

668
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: I'll push out plenty of NFL caliber talents at this

669
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: positions over the years, but Cayden doesn't look to be

670
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: on that way right now.

671
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's it's a strong tight end class. I think

672
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: there might be three guys drafted in round one, maybe

673
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: another two or three drafted in round two, And in

674
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: comparison to those guys, he looked like a non athlete,

675
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: which was pretty surprising because he was a five star recruit.

676
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: He was a Mackie Award finalist last year at Stanford

677
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: and Sanford, as you mentioned, does have this tradition of

678
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: putting pretty good guys into the NFL at the tight

679
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: end position. But he had a four point ninety two

680
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: second forty time. He wasn't explosive or agile, So I

681
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: think he goes from like a Day two type of

682
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: player to more of a Day three guy.

683
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was a good point.

684
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: This is an incredibly deep tight end class, and we're

685
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: talking about Iowa potentially happened two tight ends going the

686
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: first round, which is just absolutely ludicrous. So all right,

687
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: now we'll look go ahead of Day three, which is

688
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: the defensive lineman and linebackers, you know, pretty much the

689
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: true heroes of a football team.

690
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 3: I like to think of that one.

691
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: And the big winner out of here was Alabama defensive

692
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: tackle Quinn Williams. I mean, anytime they're a defensive tackle

693
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: and you get Heisman hype, and I think it's fair

694
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: to assume this is one of the best players college

695
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 2: football on Matt, I guess that's your opinion here.

696
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: He is a number one player in college football.

697
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's the number one player in this draft.

698
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: He's not going to be drafted number one overall, but

699
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: I think he's the top prospect. You know, he's big

700
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: six three, three hundred and three pounds, big enough to

701
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: anchor against the run, but he's fast and explosive enough

702
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: to rush the passer pretty well from the interior. He

703
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: was PFF's highest ranked college player last year. He had

704
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: a four point eight three forty time. I believe he

705
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: was their highest ranked player as a pass rusher as well.

706
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: So he's not just someone who's good against the run,

707
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: but he has that skill set too. Like the only

708
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: way he falls out of the top three is if

709
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: there's an early run and I would say, like an

710
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: unreasonably early run on quarterbacks. But even then I think

711
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: he would still probably be a top three guy. But yeah,

712
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: I think the number one player overall. Whoever gets him,

713
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: Like you don't want to say something outlandish, like you

714
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: are getting someone who is like Aaron Donald. But I

715
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: think he has an Aaron Donald type of skill set.

716
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: But it's just like a question of whether he can

717
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: whether like it's a matter of degrees whether he actually

718
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: is Aaron Donald or he's someone who is Aaron Donald

719
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: esque but just a step below that.

720
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's I feel like the safest prospects

721
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: are usually the biggest, fastest, strongest guys that have a

722
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 2: history of great production. I mean, you know, you can

723
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: only check so many boxes. We can't guarantee anyone's gonna

724
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: be a great NFL player, But I mean it's pretty

725
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: hard to look at Williams and come away with any

726
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: other opinions.

727
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: And he's young too, Like he's young. He had really

728
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: only one year of action at Alabama, coming out as

729
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: a red shirt sophomore. But man, that guy produced and

730
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: like he could he could have. I mean, fifteen years

731
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: is a stretch, but like he could be a force

732
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: for ten years in the NFL.

733
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: Complete beast. All right.

734
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: Couple other defensive linemen really helped their stock this weekend,

735
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: maybe none more so than Montez Sweat. People four point

736
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: four to one second forty yard dash at two hundred

737
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: and sixty pounds unbelievable.

738
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: It's it's unreal. Like for me, the gold standard of

739
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 1: sort of like speed guys at a big size has

740
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: been like Calvin Johnson or Vincent Jackson, but like Montees,

741
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: Sweat just took it to an entirely different level and

742
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: really like edge rushers, I would say it's one of

743
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: the strengths of this class. But yeah, as you mentioned,

744
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: he had that just unreal forty time at two hundred

745
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: and sixty pounds. I had him as a first rounder.

746
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: But like now, I think he's locked in as like

747
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: a top ten, top fifteen player in the draft, like

748
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: maybe even top five if a team like kind of

749
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: gets crazy and thinks that he's better than Josh Allen.

750
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: Elite athleticism, long arms, great explosion, and agility. You know,

751
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: edge is a position where athleticism really matters and it

752
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: tends to be predictive, and I mean Sweat is a

753
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: big combine winner here just in terms of the athleticism

754
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: that he displayed.

755
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look no further than last year's draft,

756
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: and we saw the Saints trade up to get Marcus

757
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: Davenport if you want an know how much NFL teams

758
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: really value an elite edge defender. So yeah, we'll see him,

759
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: and I'm with you. I think I'm definitely looking forward

760
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 2: to betting the under on his jobt position.

761
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 3: For sure, another potential edge rusher.

762
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: We're not quite sure what to make of his position yet,

763
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: but definitely a guy that helped himself a ton of

764
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: the combined Rashaun Gary, the Michigan defensive tackle, defensive end massive.

765
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: We talked about his forty time and couldn't believe how

766
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 2: low THEO over under was. I think it's settled around

767
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: four point sixty five seconds and the man beat it

768
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 2: at two hundred and seventy seven pounds.

769
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 3: What a freak for Shaun Gary. What do you think

770
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: of him?

771
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you called it in your you're right up.

772
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: You took the under. Congratulations on that. I think of

773
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: little faith did not take the it did not take

774
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: the under there. But yeah, I mean, I'm just anytime

775
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: I can bet against a guy being a statistical outlier,

776
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. But yeah, Gary is is

777
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: an outlier at two hundred and seventy seven pounds, having

778
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: the athleticism that he displayed at Combine, that four point

779
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: five to eight second forty just absolutely unbelievable. You know,

780
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: there are two big questions about him, and you touched

781
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: on the first one. Where is he going to play?

782
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: Is he a pure edge rusher? Is he a four

783
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: to three defensive tackle? Is he a three four defensive end?

784
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: Like?

785
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: Where are you going to put him? And then why

786
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: didn't he produce in college. That's the big second question.

787
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: He didn't have a lot of production at Michigan, even

788
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: though it seemed like he probably should have with the

789
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: athletic skill set he has. So he is I think

790
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: this draft's ultimate other than DK Metcalf, this draft's ultimate

791
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: boombust selection. But either way, I think he's locked in

792
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: as a first rounder. I had him slated towards the

793
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: bottom half of the second round, but now I'm pretty

794
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: sure he's going in the top half.

795
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

796
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: Definitely a lot of production questions there, for sure, for

797
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: someone that coming out of high school was widely beaters

798
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: the number one recruit in the country. One guy I

799
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: really doesn't have those production questions is a Kentucky ed rusher,

800
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. I found an interesting thing from the combine

801
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 2: was a I believe Dan Brugluld pointed out that a

802
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: bunch of different prospects we're just talking about, Allen was

803
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: the smartest and best player that they played against all seasons.

804
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: So you know, definitely saw that with the sack numbers.

805
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: But he also helped himself a lot this weekend.

806
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: Huh Yeah, So I think for him, the question wasn't

807
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: anything to do with production or intelligence. It was just

808
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: how athletic is he and definitely showed his athleticism running

809
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: to four point six y three forty at two hundred

810
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: and sixty two pounds. So yeah, I think he locked

811
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: in his place as a top ten I would probably

812
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: even say top five prospect. I think wherever Bosa goes,

813
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: he's going off the board probably you know, a pick

814
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: or two after that.

815
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely seems like he's separated himself as the clear

816
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: number two ed rusher in this draft all right linebacker position,

817
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 2: it's really the two Devns and everyone else. Devin White

818
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 2: from LSU complete sideline and sideline linebacker, and then also

819
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: Devin Bush at Michigan who you know a lot of

820
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of people note that they go

821
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: to watch for Shaun Gary film and Devin Busch is

822
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: just hopping off the screen because he's going sideline to

823
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: the side, makeing all sorts of plays.

824
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: Tell me about Devin White and Devin Bush.

825
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean White, we were expecting him to go

826
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: under his forty time, which was I believe four point five. Yeah,

827
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: and so crush that with a four point four two

828
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: at two hundred and thirty seven pounds, fantastic athleticism. Like

829
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: I think if you lined him up at running back,

830
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: he would be like the top running back in this class,

831
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But he's just he's so explosive,

832
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: was the heart of that LSU defense. I had him

833
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: going to the Packers at number twelve in my pre

834
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: combine mock. I might move him up. It's just, you know,

835
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: so with linebackers, especially off ball linebackers, there's just a

836
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: question of like does a team value that position, like

837
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: how do they value it? But in terms of a prospect,

838
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: I think he on his own in the vacuum is

839
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: clearly a top ten guy in this class.

840
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: We have seen these off ball linebackers, you know, you're Leyton,

841
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: vander esh roquwand Smith or Chicago. It does seem like

842
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: if they have more of the speed, like a Deion

843
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: Jones Atlanta Falcons type guy that can help and coverage,

844
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: helps a pass rusher and help in the wrong game

845
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: and you don't have to take them off the field ever.

846
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 2: That's how you can kind of separate yourself as a

847
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: linebacker and become that first round pick.

848
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Devin Bush, there were questions about him entering

849
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: the combine in terms of size and speed and was

850
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: he worth a first round pick. I think he definitely

851
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: is worth the first round pick. He answered those questions

852
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty four pounds and a four point

853
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: four to three second forty. I know that White is

854
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: getting a lot of the hype as the premier linebacker

855
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: in this class, but like Bush is not far behind him.

856
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: And I think if it was a difference of getting

857
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: White at pick number ten and getting Bush at pick

858
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: number twenty, like I would rather have Bush. I just

859
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't see there being that much of a difference

860
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 1: between those guys, and like this is coming from someone

861
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: who isn't like skilled at watching the tape, so maybe

862
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: just in terms of what White can do on the field,

863
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: just in terms of like his knowledge and his instincts,

864
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: there is a pretty significant difference. But Bush with someone

865
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: who has the athleticism and was incredibly productive in college,

866
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: So I think he's locked into the first round. I

867
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: had him going to the Steelers at number twenty before

868
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: the combine, like it's a position of need for them.

869
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: I don't see him falling outside of the top twenty,

870
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: and I think he go in the top ten. Sorry,

871
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: at top fifteen.

872
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that Steelers fit as well. You know,

873
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: hopefully Ryan Chazeer can get back there one day, but

874
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: for now, they definitely need to increase his speed on

875
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 2: the second line of their defense. All right, now, a

876
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: couple of the losers from the combine. Nick Bosa has

877
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 2: number one overall hype a little bit still, but similar

878
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: to his brother Joey, didn't really test off the charts,

879
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: kind of further remove we get from playing actual football.

880
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 2: His draft stock doesn't exactly seem to be going up

881
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: because it really didn't have anywhere to go up. But

882
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: tell me about how his weekend went down. And I'm

883
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: sorry everyone, I'm in Ohio State, diehard. So it's hard

884
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 2: for me to say negative things about Nick Bosa, right.

885
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: No, And it's fair like it's almost it's very hard

886
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: to say he lost the combine, right, It's just like

887
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: he had number one overall hype entering the combine. He

888
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: wasn't bad, but he wasn't great enough to make the

889
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: Cardinals have to take him with the top overall pick.

890
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: Like if he had a Miles Garrett or a Damian

891
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: Clowney type of performance, he really might be the number

892
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: one guy. They might say, Okay, this defensive end is

893
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: so good and what he's going to add to our

894
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: defense is so valuable that we can afford to pass

895
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: on a quarterback and go with Rosen for another year.

896
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: But he didn't have that type of performance. So I

897
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: think he ended up costing himself the number one pick

898
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: by you know, just being like a very great athlete

899
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: as opposed to like an elite, you know, outlier type

900
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: of athlete. And then you know, Quentin Williams was so

901
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: impressive that he might go ahead of Bosa. Like you

902
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: could see, like if Murray goes number one, who knows

903
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: what the forty nine ers are going to do. They

904
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: would probably take Bosa, but maybe they trade out of

905
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: the pick. Like it's possible that that like his brother,

906
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: slips down to number three when no one thinks that's

907
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: a reasonable thing to happen, but it could happen. So

908
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: he's still in the running for the top pick, but

909
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: he could just as easily slip out of the top two.

910
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: So I don't think it impacts the type of NFL

911
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: player he can be, but I think it will impact

912
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: to the money he makes in his first contract, and

913
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: maybe like the type of endorsement deals he can get

914
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: as someone who's not the number one pick.

915
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point too.

916
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: It's not just that he's competing against our defensive ends,

917
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: he's also competing against the potential dropt the quarterback with

918
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: that number one overall pick.

919
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: So didn't separate himself. And yeah, I think I'm with you.

920
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 2: My money would be on Kyler Murray getting that number

921
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: one spot at this point in time. Another defensive end

922
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: that didn't quite help himself out this last weekend, Jackie Polite.

923
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, a potential first rounder entering the combine, still might

924
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: go in the first round, but I think he's more

925
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: of a fringe guy now. Like the other edge rushers,

926
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: they just stood out so much and really solidified themselves.

927
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: And he was supposed to be a strong athlete, but

928
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: he had just a four point eight four second forty

929
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: times at two hundred and fifty eight pounds. Had hamstring issue,

930
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: so that obviously probably hindered him. But he will need

931
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: to improve on his pro day, but I think he

932
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: might fall out around one all right.

933
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: Last loser from this day, Mac Wilson, who was kind

934
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 2: of considered I still might be, but number three off

935
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 2: ball linebacker behind the two devns, and unlike the two devns,

936
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: he didn't exactly crush his combine at all.

937
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 3: Matt, talk me about Mac.

938
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just Mack Weldon. It's It's not a great

939
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: year for off ball linebackers in general after the top two.

940
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, he was in the running to be the

941
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: number three guy at the position. He had first round

942
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: hype entering the twenty eighteen season. He didn't flash all

943
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: that much for Alabama last year. He didn't do the

944
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: drills at the combine like Polite. He is also dealing

945
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: with a hamstring injury. So like for a guy who

946
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,120
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947
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977
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: Day four was the defensive backs and one of the

978
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: big winners here, and the guy that came into the

979
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: combine as a number kind of consensus number one cornerback

980
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: seems to have left the combine as a consensus number

981
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 2: one cornerback. Greedy Williams from LSU. We knew he had

982
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 2: the great name. Six two hundred and eighty five pounds.

983
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: He's got the size, but that he has also got to speed.

984
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, four point three seven second forty I agree, totally

985
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: solidifies him as the number one cornerback in the class.

986
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: You would like to see him weigh a little bit

987
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: more for a guy who is probably more of a

988
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: pressman corner. You would like for him to be a

989
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: little bit stronger. I mean, look at it this way.

990
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: He is in the SEC playing against DK Metcalf. He's

991
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty seven pounds and Metcalf can just

992
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: like break him. He's probably going to have to put

993
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: on you know, some quote unquote NFL weight, but he

994
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: definitely has the speed. And you know, he has that

995
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: reputation and that you know, for lack of a better word,

996
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: pedigree coming out of LSU, which is just you know,

997
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: like produced a lot of NFL cornerbacks over the years.

998
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: Almost certain I think to be a top ten selection,

999
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be surprising. I mean, well, it kind

1000
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: of would be surprising if someone like the Raiders took

1001
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: him at number four, But I think he has a

1002
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: very good chance to go in the top ten.

1003
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1004
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: Ideally, you know, I'll be able to put on some

1005
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: more weight because he does have a longer frame than

1006
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: most cornerbacks. But yeah, I mean, whenever you give up

1007
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: thirty pounds to really anyone, it's going to be a

1008
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: bit of a struggle.

1009
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: So we'll see how that works out for Greedy.

1010
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: But number one safety from the combine and your opinion,

1011
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: Jan Thornhill, who we saw post arguably the most explosive

1012
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: combine out of defensive back.

1013
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I don't know if i'd say he

1014
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: was the number one safety, but there wasn't really a

1015
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 1: safety who like just like took the combine by storm

1016
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: and really stood out. But Thornhill relative to expectations or

1017
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: relative to his draft hype really stood out. He had

1018
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: a you know, the four point four to two second

1019
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: forty time to go along with his combine best explosiveness. Again,

1020
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't getting a lot of hype entering the combine,

1021
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: but you know, after that, I went back started to

1022
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: research him. He's a pretty versatile player. He has experience

1023
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: at cornerback and safety. Was a three year starter. He

1024
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: could go in round two. Like, I think there's some

1025
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: kind of like Byron Jones esque type of potential here.

1026
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: Like there were questions about, you know, what type of

1027
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: player is Byron Jones? Is he a safety? Is he

1028
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: a cornerback? The Cowboys couldn't answer that question for years,

1029
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: and then finally when they moved him to cornerback. He

1030
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: has you know, a great season, one of the best

1031
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: cornerback seasons in the NFL last year. I think thorn

1032
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: Hill has that type of where, you know, maybe you

1033
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: don't settle on him as a guy who's only a cornerback,

1034
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: but maybe he can do a lot of different things

1035
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: for your defense, playing safety, playing a corner, moving around.

1036
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think he has a lot of potential

1037
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: and now is a Day two pick.

1038
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely helping his cause by giving NFL teams just

1039
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: the potential to play about different spots. I mean, if

1040
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: he's that fast and that good, let the guy go thrive,

1041
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: all right, two losers now, cornerback Byron Murphy, who you know.

1042
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: Again, this is more based on.

1043
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 2: The numbers, because, as I think we'll get into, Murphy

1044
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: did look pretty good in positional drills.

1045
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: He looked great in position drills, like everyone who came

1046
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: away from watching him said he had the best footwork,

1047
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: the best technique at the position, and it wasn't even close.

1048
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: The thing is, he needs to be the best of

1049
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: the position just in terms of his technique in his footwork,

1050
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: because he's an average athlete. You know, he's just one

1051
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety pounds and he ran a four point

1052
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: five to five second forty times and had you know,

1053
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: mediocre explosiveness in his jumps. So a quarterback that size

1054
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: generally needs to be really fast, like in the four fours,

1055
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: maybe the four threes. It's just this question as to

1056
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: whether a guy who is small and not fast is

1057
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: going to be technically skilled enough to match up with

1058
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: NFL wide receivers who were fast, who are big, and

1059
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: who are also pretty good at their jobs. Right, So

1060
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: he could still be a first rounder coming out of Washington,

1061
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: which has also produced a lot of NFL cornerbacks, he

1062
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: could still be a first rounder. But there was talk

1063
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: of him as maybe a top ten pick entering the combine,

1064
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: And now, like that talk is just ridiculous. Like if

1065
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: he's a first rounder, it's in the twenties. It's maybe

1066
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: like even in the thirties. He's someone who still has talent.

1067
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: But like there now there are I think legitimate questions

1068
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: as to whether he will be able to match up

1069
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: as an NFL cornerback.

1070
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and really at any position. I think if you

1071
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 2: have you know more than if you have these type

1072
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: of questions, you're not gonna be able to lock in

1073
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: that top ten pick as he as some of these

1074
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: more polished players. All right, last loser, we're going to

1075
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: get into safety and a seer atterly. And you know, again,

1076
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: these guys can certainly overcome a bad combine, But for

1077
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: maybe some of these players coming from a smaller school

1078
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: that don't have as much great foam against high level competition,

1079
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: much more important to really dominate the combine when you

1080
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: get a chance to and utterly really did.

1081
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there was talking to him as the

1082
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Speaker 1: first safety on the board entering the combine. He didn't

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Speaker 1: work out, which I think is a red flag. He

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Speaker 1: was okay, but not great in the on the field drills.

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, he's a small school guy coming out

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Speaker 1: of Delaware, so there were some questions about his athleticism

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Speaker 1: and whether he would be able to compete with guys

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Speaker 1: at a higher level. And the thing is, no one

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Speaker 1: else really stood out at the position. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: a pretty mediocre safety class in general, So if he

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Speaker 1: had crushed his workouts, he easily could have locked himself

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Speaker 1: in as a first rounder. And that just you know

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Speaker 1: that that didn't happen because he didn't give himself the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to know, to impress people with his forty time

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Speaker 1: or his explosiveness. So we just kind of have to

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Speaker 1: wait for his pro day and maybe he does a

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Speaker 1: great job there, but really missed opportunity to distinguish himself

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Speaker 1: amongst a group of guys who really didn't do anything

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Speaker 1: to impress. Oh, one more person we should mention, mention

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Speaker 1: rich Eisen. Yeah, yeah, I think he's a winner. I

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Speaker 1: would say he's a winner, you know, running the forty

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Speaker 1: yard dash in exactly six seconds and.

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Speaker 2: Defying father time. It's unbelievable. He's getting faster as the ages.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he really is, and he's at least he's sort

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Speaker 1: of locked in to that that six second range, so

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Speaker 1: you know, if he starts slipping, that's gonna be sad,

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Speaker 1: but a definite win to hit the six second mark

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Speaker 1: running in a full suit. Big win for him and

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Speaker 1: also for all the money that he raises for his

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Speaker 1: charitable work. So definitely fun to watch that. Ian. Anything

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Speaker 1: else you want to mention about the combine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, real quick, I guess I was in a trained

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Speaker 2: pretty hardcore with Jay Glazer for that, so I can

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Speaker 2: only imagine the type of MMA DROs and stuff for

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Speaker 2: that nature he was getting into. So hats off the

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Speaker 2: Ridge for really going all out there. But now, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like you said, you know, exciting combined time. But we'll

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Speaker 2: really kind of have the full I think grasp of

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Speaker 2: this situation after we get the PROA numbers of some

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Speaker 2: of the guys that didn't compete.

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Speaker 3: But for now it's on the free agency people. Let's

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, free agency next week. Man, I wasn't really even

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Speaker 1: thinking about that. We should probably have a Free Agency

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Speaker 1: podcast next week, something for us to think about, and then,

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Speaker 1: of course later this week we will have the Week

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Speaker 1: five Alliance of American Football Podcasts. But that is going

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Speaker 1: to do it for this episode of the Action Network

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