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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode contained spoilers for Peacemakers season two episodes two

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Speaker 3: Not spoilers.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, Hello, and it is Jason Concepcion and on

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Speaker 2: Mersey Night, and welcome back to x Reviews of the

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Speaker 2: podcast where.

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Speaker 1: Movies, comics of pop culture.

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Speaker 2: Company over by our podcast where we'll bring you three

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Speaker 2: episodes a week.

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Speaker 4: Bless news on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: News on Saturdays.

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Speaker 5: And this is Peacemaker's new home where we will be

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Speaker 5: releasing conversations about it every Monday. And it's going to

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Speaker 5: be great because you guys want it. The Internet is

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Speaker 5: talking about it, and we have Peacemaker lover Ian Toper

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Speaker 5: produced Ian in the house to join us.

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Speaker 3: Ian, Welcome to our Peacemak.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, thank you for having me back. I'm excited to

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Speaker 4: talk about these two episodes. They were very interesting and

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Speaker 4: I'm curious to see where the season goes from here.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, excited to dive in.

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Speaker 3: I am intrigued to them. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: The ties to the wider dc EU are strengthening and thickening. Yes,

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Speaker 2: let's dive in. We open with Peacemaker season two, episode two.

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Speaker 2: A Man is Only as good as his bird. We

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Speaker 2: open on the past Argus HQ Senior Richard Flagg Senior,

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Speaker 2: Dick Flagg. Rich Rick Flagg Senior has just been named

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Speaker 2: the new leader of Argus for the downfall of Amanda Waller.

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Speaker 2: Economists is showing him like all around the office. But

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Speaker 2: of course his first action item on the docket is

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Speaker 2: access to the full unredacted Quardo Maltese file, yes, from

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Speaker 2: Suicide Squad two, the events of Suicide Squad two which

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Speaker 2: resulted in the untimely demise of his son.

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Speaker 1: Rick Flagg Junior.

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Speaker 2: Economiss is like, really, I don't know, do you want

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Speaker 2: to see that important?

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Speaker 3: And don't worry about it.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, anything you might see in there,

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Speaker 2: it was all Amanda's fault, like we were just following

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Speaker 2: Waller wanted us to do some crazy stuff, so just

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Speaker 2: be wart. Rick gets access to the file and it's

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Speaker 2: clear from the file that what really happened is Peacemaker

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Speaker 2: killed Rick's son with a jagged piece of metal in

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Speaker 2: order to keep the operation secret. And Senior is of

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Speaker 2: course devastated and.

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Speaker 5: Breaking because also I said this many times, guys, you

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Speaker 5: know I am now Joel Kinneman. Rick Flagg Junior Love

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Speaker 5: and he was doing the right thing. He was trying

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Speaker 5: to let the world know that America was the one

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Speaker 5: who had been doing it's on STARO.

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Speaker 3: This is very cool that.

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Speaker 5: They are bringing this into canon. I kind of love

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Speaker 5: that James Gunn's idea is just anything I say.

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Speaker 3: Is canon is canon.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's the dream as a creator. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: I love this opening. I think the way they're building

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Speaker 5: this in leads to some really interesting and complicated conflicts.

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Speaker 2: We go to the present, Chris is there with the

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Speaker 2: he's got to figure out, like where do I hide

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Speaker 5: This season is really given. I love Vigilante. I think

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Speaker 5: was like, Yes, Vigilance is still my break out m

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Speaker 2: At A Bio breaks into her ex's home, uh to

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Speaker 2: Her ex Kia is like, what the fuck? You can't

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Speaker 2: And at A Bio thought it was temporary, but it's not.

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Speaker 4: I thought it's very interesting that Kia was like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Like what's going on over there? A shithole? So like

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Speaker 5: I'm like I want to go see Batman like kick

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Speaker 2: A very nice lady at the drug slash grocery store

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Speaker 2: Who we will learn is named Flurry Agent Flury, he's

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Speaker 1: He is really weird.

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Speaker 2: He's very interested in strange things like how they will

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Speaker 3: I'm like, is this like a weird power play? Like

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Speaker 5: Great weird addition to the evergram piece make it cost

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Speaker 4: Very and I love that. Like an ongoing theme is

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Speaker 4: like everybody giving economists like nicknames that he absolutely hates.

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Speaker 4: What was like die Beard the first season, now it's

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Speaker 2: He's a and and Flurry is like, as we will

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Speaker 2: see over this episode, this is what I love about

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Speaker 2: the dumb middle manager kind of. He's Michael Scott's definitely

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Speaker 3: You're like, why are you working? What do you what

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Speaker 2: Inside the house, Chris is still trying to shrug off

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Speaker 2: When Eagerly comes out, we get a very important.

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Speaker 5: size or anything like that. Absolutely bonkers and hilarious. That

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Speaker 1: I loved it.

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Speaker 4: Hious, it's so funny, and the way they use it

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Speaker 4: throughout the rest of the episode, yes, brilliant.

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Speaker 1: It's so good.

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Speaker 3: It's still one of the craziest scenes that we've gotten

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Speaker 2: Chris is, you know, very stressed about you know, what's happened,

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Speaker 2: and he's about to get more stressed. Idabio tells him

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Speaker 2: that he's under twenty four to seven artists surveillance and says,

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Speaker 2: also the Perfect Universe in there that he's going to

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Speaker 2: It was amazingly enough to Vigilante. Alarms go off in

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Speaker 1: In the portal.

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Speaker 2: Chris explains the whole thing, and then they cut the

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Speaker 1: Out of his pocket and you just know now.

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Speaker 2: Peacemaker picks it up. They burn the corpse and yell

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Speaker 2: a very very happy monogamous.

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Speaker 3: Couple rare in the world of peace Maker.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Very devoted. They seem devoted from the photos.

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Speaker 5: tells us a lot about Chris, because like, yeah, in

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Speaker 5: that old universe world, like you and Hawkele are happy couple,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, is he did he change? Like he's still

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: We actually don't know, don't know yet, We don't know.

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Speaker 2: We actually don't know.

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Speaker 4: I have some questions about that when we get to

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Speaker 4: the discussion.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Harcourt is trying to look presentable. She's hosting the

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Speaker 2: homes are like not appropriate for this. Economists comes over,

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Speaker 2: with the tunes, Adrian comes with the beer, and it's

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Speaker 2: a wonderful party for all of them. Meanwhile, the Artist

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Speaker 2: Strike Team goes to Chris's house. Fleury is giving them

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Speaker 5: I'm like, did Tim I need to know if like

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Speaker 5: Tim Meadows was texting Tim Robinson while he was doing

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Speaker 3: Can you help me?

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Speaker 4: They're so good?

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Speaker 5: Definitely and they I think Tom Meadows is so brilliant absurdism.

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Speaker 1: For sure, I completely agree.

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Speaker 2: So they go The strike team goes in. They find

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Speaker 2: Peacemaker Episode three, Season two, Rick up my sleeve.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely crazy, guys, this is James Gunn playing Wait.

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Speaker 1: This is fun and also just.

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Speaker 5: The opening it opens up so many cannon questions.

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Speaker 1: Mean every like Sea level Hattie.

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Speaker 2: She is, She's done, She's in there. It's three years ago,

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Speaker 3: I was just so happy here and he's so good.

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Speaker 3: God, this is what I was wishing for.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, this.

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Speaker 5: Man is that? Like, come on, I think they did

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it's a beautiful sunny day, Junior obviously is cheating.

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Speaker 2: So of course he doesn't want the Chantress, who could

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Speaker 2: only like two hours. I love the spending his last

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Speaker 3: Girl read I'm not gonna lie like one. That seems

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Speaker 2: They made a date to have lunch today, and Chris,

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Speaker 5: who stumbled onto this, but he is probably the first

444
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 5: one to just like be like, okay, well killed my

445
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 5: alternative self just going to take over his life, like

446
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 5: right now. I think it's that there's not going to

447
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 5: be any issues like my guy, come on.

448
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: So I don't I guess. Chris arrives on Hardcourt's floor.

449
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: SE's strict Flag Junior there. He's alive and apparently he

450
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: and Harcourt are dating now.

451
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: You like, he's like not the sex. He's not like sexy,

452
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 3: badass Soult.

453
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: He's like unconfident, kind of.

454
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: Nicky, like very stressed, weird, yeah, very stressed by the

455
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: sudden arrival of his girlfriend's ex, the Peacemaker on the scene.

456
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 4: It's no confidence, no rizz.

457
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 3: Which is like very hard to believe.

458
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: But he did a watching very nervously, like as they hug,

459
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 2: he's like spying on them every conversation they have. That.

460
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: So then Hardcourt and christ are like, let's step outside.

461
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: Back in the other dimension, Bordeaux calls economists, reams him

462
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: out over the eagle. Why didn't you warn us about

463
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: the eagle? Fleury thought it was a duck because it

464
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: was a duck, and YadA, YadA, YadA. In the altmension,

465
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 2: Chris and Harcourt have a full on rom com level

466
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: date with hot dogs, and.

467
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: It's very happening. How good this could be. Look at us,

468
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: look at this cute situation.

469
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: And it's very clear, not that even they need to

470
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: show us anymore, but it's very quick.

471
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: Chris is going to try to live here.

472
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 5: Oh, like no question because also he probably might I

473
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 5: think in his mind. He's like, well, I can come here,

474
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 5: I can have this relationship with Hardcourt, and then I

475
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 5: can go back to my universe.

476
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 3: We do what I need to do. But it is

477
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: not because also every time you.

478
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 5: Go through that bloody door, the alarms are flaring, like

479
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 5: you are getting Yes.

480
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: We learned that Chris had been fucking around on Harcourt.

481
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: Rick Flagg junior would never do that ever, And it's clear,

482
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 2: you know, a great acting by the way, from Joel Kinman, I'm.

483
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 5: Saying the way that you can like turn it from

484
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 5: you see that original the sexy, thick neck like fucking

485
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 5: around with Harcourt before he goes on his mission, Like

486
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 5: that is so different than the senior, the junior that

487
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 5: we get here, And I just think it's so interesting

488
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 5: and it makes a lot of sense that this junior

489
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 5: would not have gone to Quarto Maltese. Like he's not

490
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 5: the same guy, and if he was, he probably wouldn't

491
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 5: have betrayed Amanda Ola. Like that's not who this guy is.

492
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 5: He's not the big brave hero. I mean, yeah, Joe Kinneman,

493
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 5: I'm a huge fan. I think he's an unbelievably underrated

494
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 5: actor and I just think this episode, James Gunn is

495
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 5: pulling out all the stops and people and you know what,

496
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 5: He's right.

497
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 3: People should be watching this if they care about what

498
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 3: happens in the DC. Yes, and you love the DCEU.

499
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 4: Yes, yes.

500
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: Chris tell us how our court because she's like you

501
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: you do seem different, and he's like, well, you know,

502
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 2: I'm really trying to work on my arrogance, so I'm

503
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: trying to be less of a dick. I'm trying to

504
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: engage with my vulnerability and try to understand like how

505
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: I'm a product of trauma. I don't want to be

506
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: that guy anymore. Ps like I murdered your X and

507
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 2: taking his place.

508
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 4: Here, I.

509
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: Lie take right out.

510
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 5: I think this is like the saddest thing about Chris,

511
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 5: and I think I hope and think that James Gunna

512
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 5: is going to explore this, but like he doesn't understand

513
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 5: that this is like incredibly wrong, Like he doesn't understand

514
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 5: to him, this is just hardcore and he loves her

515
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 5: and he can make it work, but he doesn't realize

516
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 5: that she doesn't have any consent in this.

517
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 3: She doesn't understand who he really is.

518
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 4: I feel like I think he does know what's wrong,

519
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 4: But the temptation is too great for him, Like he's like,

520
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 4: this is the chance to.

521
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: Have everything that he shouldn't.

522
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 4: Right, right, Yeah, but I think he knows it's fucked up.

523
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 2: Yeah he does. And I think what's very human about

524
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: the situation to me is that you know, when people

525
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: do try to change often, you know, it's not a

526
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: binary it's a process. You don't change overnight, and part

527
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: of that process is like you're more cognizant, you're trying

528
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: to be better, you're trying to be more present and aware,

529
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: but you still when you see a short cut, still

530
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: take it because you're like, oh, this will get me,

531
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: this will get me there quicker. I can just immediately

532
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 2: be the good person, because this person that I killed

533
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: was the good person. Everybody thinks I'm him. So now

534
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: I just have the perfect opportunity to hit the reset

535
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: when no, you're just taking a shortcut. It's a very

536
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 2: human it really is thing to do.

537
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 5: Also, who wouldn't want to have a fresh start with

538
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 5: this person? You know everyone has dreamed of, like, well,

539
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 5: imagine if all my mistakes that I made didn't I

540
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 5: didn't make them, and I don't have to make up

541
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 5: for them, and I don't have to do the work.

542
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 5: Like you said, Jason, you can just exist in this

543
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 5: world where it's essentially a short cut. It is deeply relatable,

544
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 5: and I think it's part of the reason why this

545
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 5: season is hitting so hard for people, because I think

546
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 5: it's another step in James Gunn's You know what, I

547
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 5: felt like was an almost impossible effort to make Peacemaker empathetic.

548
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 3: But somehow you are still understanding why Chris is doing it,

549
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: even though you, along with him, know it's wrong.

550
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: Before they can take this conversation any further, there's an explosion.

551
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: The Sons of Liberty are attacking the town. They've seized

552
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: the DMV. They're looking to attack any government building in town,

553
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: and they demand they have certain demands and they're gonna

554
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: kill all the hostages unless their demands are met.

555
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: And inside they're just planning explosives.

556
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: Harcourt gets an update on the situation where Chris just

557
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: leaps into action without his suit, which from let me

558
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: ask you this, from the exchange that the cop and

559
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: Harcourt had, it seemed as if going in without a

560
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: suit was maybe not a thing that happens in this

561
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: year universe exactly Like from the reaction, it seemed like,

562
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, did you sense anything there?

563
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 5: I definitely felt like maybe the Chris of this universe

564
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 5: is not the like you know, just like all out badass,

565
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 5: like can beat the shout of somebody without that his

566
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 5: helmets or his suit. That was definitely something I was

567
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 5: interested in also as well. Then they just know who

568
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 5: you are, you know, So there's that aspect too, But

569
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 5: obviously here that the family is celebrities, So yeah, intriguing.

570
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: Chris goes in there kills everybody, yep, kind of with ease.

571
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: Helicopter arrives to whisk away the rest of the Sons

572
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: of Liberty.

573
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: They set the explosives to leave.

574
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: Chris kills you know, everybody finds the explosives, diffuses them,

575
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: and then somebody like launches an RPG at the helicopter

576
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: and they win. And the person they did that was

577
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: Captain Triumph. Chris gives the thumbs up to the crowd.

578
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: The crowd goes fucking crazy, and it's clear that this

579
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: is the best dimension, like of all time.

580
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: He is never leaving.

581
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 5: Here, I'm sorry, where it's giving homeland a killing that

582
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 5: guy and everything.

583
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: The acceptance he has desired for his entire life.

584
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: His brother woman, He loves that.

585
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: A loving, supportive family. They are all here.

586
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: Why would he leave Bordeau and Fleury in the other

587
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: in the other dimension are still reaming out economist about

588
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: Bordo only cares about the Portolo half she calls in

589
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: like the entire agency, basically half the agency plus Red

590
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: Seed Wild.

591
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 5: The world's foremost He's here, Yeah, Michael Croco, we love

592
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 5: to see him come here. This is such a classic

593
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 5: fun performance. I am also guessing that there's probably some

594
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 5: kind of like lea here of why he is so

595
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 5: good at eagle hunting. Is it a power? Does he

596
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 5: use magic? Like I'm very interested you will find that,

597
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 5: you will.

598
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

599
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 5: And also, like I gotta say, I think The Sons

600
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 5: of Liberty was such a James Gunpaul if had like

601
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 5: ten issue appearances like ever created by Jerry Ordway Superman

602
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 5: notably so, I think this notion of vigilante groups vigilante

603
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 5: justice in both worlds, because remember that he's made his

604
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 5: dad was the White Dragon. He was the leader of

605
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 5: this like white supremacist anti government group, So there are

606
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 5: echoes of that here. I'm guessing that the powers that

607
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 5: be in the DCU are going to be very unstable

608
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 5: as we go forward and may seem more kind of testing,

609
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 5: and and that would make sense why potentially you may

610
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 5: even see Alex Clark lex Superman team up in that

611
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 5: Man of Tomorrow movie, maybe because things get so crazy.

612
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 5: But yeah, I love the way that James Gunn pulls

613
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 5: from the comics, and it's always something that kind of

614
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 5: scratches the itch of the back of your mind, where

615
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 5: you're like Sons of Liberty, Sons of Liberty, and you're

616
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 5: like that sons of Libberty.

617
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: Like it's really point.

618
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: I think that I think that we're going to part

619
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: I think part of like the final form of whatever

620
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: this phase of the DCEU is is going to be

621
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: a to your point and kind of deep stabilizing of

622
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: like global political path exactly, and then eventually a acknowledgment

623
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: by the meta humans that Okay, we need to put

624
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: people at ease, and thus the formation of the j

625
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: LA not a private rather than like a privately owned

626
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: like meta human organization.

627
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: It's going to be like, hey, we work for America,

628
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: we work for the world.

629
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you make it. I think that's a

630
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 3: really great point.

631
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 5: I think setting up the political platforms and world is

632
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 5: really important, and TV is a great place to do

633
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 5: that because it's very easy to shorthand it into the movie.

634
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 5: But if you want a more expansive thing, there is

635
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 5: opportunities to explore it like here. So yeah, I just

636
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 5: think the way that this is being utilized to create

637
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 5: and shape Cannon is just even in this first hot

638
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 5: like three episodes of the season, is it such a

639
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 5: higher level than what Marvel has been able to do

640
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 5: for the most part because of COVID delays of you know,

641
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 5: obviously Wandervision one of the great examples of that, but

642
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 5: then stuff that happened in Wondervision, did we really see it?

643
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 5: The same with Doctor Strange and the what If episode.

644
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 5: They didn't end up using the Strange from the what

645
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 5: If episode. They ended up using someone who looked like him,

646
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 5: but they didn't connect it. I think the way that

647
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 5: James Gunn is just directly connecting these things because of

648
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 5: the creative freedom that he has and because he is

649
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 5: running both TV and movies, is really unlike anything we've

650
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 5: seen for a long time, and it's so interesting. I

651
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 5: mean that Rick Flag cameo at the beginning and then

652
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 5: seeing him reimagined, it's just so on something I wasn't expecting.

653
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: I think it's.

654
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: What's gonna happen. Well, okay, well I'll save this for

655
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: this guy. Yeah, we're gonna basically where this episode, where

656
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: this episode leaves us is, Argus is preparing to assault

657
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 2: the house. They plan to kill Eagerly and capture Chris.

658
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: They all get put into little assault teams. Economists gets

659
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: paired with Rip Dragger aka Juda Master. Back in the

660
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: other dimension, the Perfect Dimension, it's very clear that Harcourt

661
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 2: really does want to get back together with Chris, like now,

662
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: like they put like a twenty like hey, let's think

663
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: about it, but really the way she's blowing up his

664
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: phone like she she wants to do it asap. He's

665
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: got Chris of courses, got a slow play it because

666
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: he's got to go home. Meanwhile, before he can do that,

667
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: Keith comes up and is like, you know, worried that

668
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: he's relapsed on pills, and they have this very beauti

669
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: full conversation honestly where Keith basically says like you know, listen,

670
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: whether you've relapsed or not, whether you're peacemaker or not.

671
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: You're my brother. I love you no matter what's going on.

672
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 3: He killed your real brother.

673
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 4: That reveal is going to be heartbreaking when they find

674
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 4: out it's going.

675
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 5: To but it's also heartbreaking, like I think the thing

676
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 5: that is so good here is, like you said, Jason,

677
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 5: that human aspect.

678
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: Like I can't imagine.

679
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 5: How horrific that must be for Chris in that moment,

680
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 5: because this is all he's ever wanted is to have

681
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 5: that acceptance and that love.

682
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 3: But he knows that it.

683
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 5: Has come at the price. And he is currently lying

684
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 5: to person who if.

685
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: He because he is, it would be only in a

686
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: situation like this. I can only imagine that he's gonna

687
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: he's gonna start tricking himself into oh yeah, I am.

688
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 5: Well my you know, my eye worked. There's the same guy,

689
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 5: like he's happy to see me, Like it's fine.

690
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: So as he goes back to his dimension, Argus is

691
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: moving in and at the end of the episode, bad timing.

692
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 2: Let's go to a break and let's discuss these episodes.

693
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: Okay, we're back.

694
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: What I was gonna say is it feels inevitable to

695
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: me that regular universe Rick Flag Senior will encounter Perfect Universe,

696
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: Rick fleggsunor Yeah.

697
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: Well, I also wonder if chaos will ensue.

698
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 5: I also, yeah, I wonder if what will happen is

699
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 5: my theory. Rick Flagg Junior, Perfect Universe nerdy. He is

700
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 5: obsessed with Chris, He's worried about hardcore, He's worried about

701
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 5: what could happen. He could very easily follow him back

702
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 5: through the portal. Also could see an unexpected team up

703
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 5: between Rick Flagg Senior and Peacemaker, because if Rick Flagg.

704
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: Senior wants sunback.

705
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 5: He may keep the portal a secret. They may end

706
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 5: up kind of having to work together. I think there

707
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 5: is a lot of really interesting stuff here because it

708
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 5: starts with that classic James Gunn exploration of emotions and

709
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 5: grief and heartbreak and what is it really like to

710
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 5: be a superhero?

711
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: What is the cost?

712
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 5: You know? We often laugh because Spider Man has his

713
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 5: double life, right, he has Peter and he has Spider Man,

714
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 5: and he's really really bad at keeping them apart. And

715
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 5: that is always the ultimate thing is if you let

716
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 5: people know who you really are, they become endangered. You know,

717
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 5: then you're the green Goblin starts coming and like macking

718
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 5: on your mom or you're better your aunt then like

719
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 5: you're losing your girlfriend, Gwen Stacey's falling off a building

720
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 5: like there's so much, but often those are in an

721
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 5: issue or in one movie. So to really get to

722
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 5: see the kind of human cost and how much it

723
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 5: can in Chris's I mean, I feel comes with saying

724
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 5: this like it's driving him mad, Like you can't. This

725
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 5: is not the sane actions of a sane person. He

726
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 5: is essentially trying to replace someone. It's very in its

727
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 5: own way. It's like very general hospital, like that's my

728
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 5: evil twin, you know, but James Gunn manages to make

729
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 5: it emotional and feel like vital to the world that

730
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 5: he is building.

731
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, my biggest theory is.

732
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 5: That Senior Junior will come through the portal and Senior

733
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 5: will see him, and then him and Chris will have

734
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 5: to work together to hide the portal and hide the

735
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 5: fact that Senior knows that Junior is that who knows.

736
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 5: Maybe I could imagine Verry James Gunn of them that

737
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 5: Senior just decides he's going to go to that universe

738
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 5: like once a week and like have coffee with his

739
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 5: son or.

740
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: Something, you know, like not it doesn't have to be

741
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: a full Chris style takeover.

742
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 5: But he when he knows he's there, he's not going

743
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 5: to be able to to stop.

744
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: Well, I keep thinking about like the reverse, Like Chris

745
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: has found what he considers the perfect universe, Like, so

746
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: who considers his universe the perfect universe? Maybe it's Rick

747
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 2: Flagg Junior, And we don't know the status of senior

748
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: in the perfect verse. But I do wonder if someone

749
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: will come through and be.

750
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: Like, actually this is perfect. It's much more chaotic, and.

751
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: There you know, there's secretive government agencies that are doing

752
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: terrible things. Maybe they're not doing super terrible things in

753
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 2: that universe, and it certainly seems like there are different

754
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: restrictions in the perfect Universe.

755
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: I don't know.

756
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm eager to see.

757
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: How much more the universe has become intertwined in how

758
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: they eventually, if ever, shut the doors on them, because

759
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: I think it will be about I think whatever happens

760
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: at the end will be about.

761
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: Turning this off, turning off the portals. What do you

762
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: think Ian.

763
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, I need we got him. He's

764
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 5: the peacemaker love, He's looked in. Tell us your theories.

765
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 4: I have two things. Yeah, So one one is a theory.

766
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: I think I think at some point there's going to

767
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 4: be a big twist or reveal that the perfect universe

768
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: is actually not as I as it seems. I think

769
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 4: that's kind of inevitable. And so one theory I was

770
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 4: just thinking about as we're going through the discussions again,

771
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 4: I was thinking back to the third episode when Chris

772
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: and Harco are on that date and they're walking around

773
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 4: the town and he's driving around. Everybody's cheering for him,

774
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 4: and I was thinking, and I was like, I feel

775
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: like everybody was white, Like I don't feel like I

776
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 4: saw any people of color. Actually, now I think about it,

777
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 4: so I'm thinking, like, what if it's like a what

778
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 4: like white supremacist utopia that they've created there, and that's

779
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 4: like the idyllic world they're living in, or something like

780
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 4: there's gonna be some dark secret in this universe.

781
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 3: You know, I think that's extremely real.

782
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 5: I also had the feeling, especially because we know peace

783
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 5: Makers that is, and.

784
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 4: Also exactly so it's like they have this like fun

785
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 4: loving relationship and they're all friends together, but it's because

786
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 4: like there's no black people or something, you know.

787
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I no, No.

788
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 5: I think that's really interesting too, because also then Chris

789
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 5: will have to make the ultimate choice, which is like, right,

790
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 5: do you ignore and stay compared plicit in this horrific

791
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 5: situation because it makes you feel good, or do you

792
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 5: fight back against it or try and destroy it? I

793
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 5: think Ian if they did that, that would be so interesting. Also,

794
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 5: when they were doing the driving around people cheering, I

795
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 5: also wondered if there was an element of like fear,

796
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 5: because everyone looks like they're having a great time, but

797
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 5: but are they really do they always cheer for them

798
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 5: when they come out, because that's kind of what they

799
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 5: have to do to make there's I feel like you're right,

800
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 5: there's some kind of pleasant Ville aspects exactly.

801
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 4: There's something under the surface, there's some dark secret or something.

802
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think that's a good point, Rosie, because

803
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: like we we already know, just based on the other

804
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 4: characters conversations, that this alternate Peacemaker is still a dick.

805
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 4: He's like not a good guy, he has some issues.

806
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so fact.

807
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 4: I could see that thing where everybody's like kind of

808
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 4: afraid of him and they're just pretending to worship him

809
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 4: because like he might kill them or something. So yeah,

810
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 4: that's interestactly. Okay.

811
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 5: Also, Ian, let me ask you about Let me ask

812
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 5: you this, because I think something that we're really getting

813
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 5: to at this point is like the importance of the portals,

814
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 5: the existence of the portals. We know that Lex Luthor

815
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 5: created essentially his own pocket universe.

816
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 3: This looks like it was way better built.

817
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 5: How much do you think the portals and the notion

818
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 5: of these kind of multiple worlds are going to play

819
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 5: into the wider DCU because it feels like to me

820
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 5: that's gonna could be their version of like you know

821
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 5: what Marvel is calling incursions, right.

822
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I think it's going to play into

823
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 4: the larger you know world moving forward, especially considering like

824
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 4: you know, we well I don't want to I've watched ahead,

825
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 4: so I don't want to spoil too much. But yeah, yeah, yeah,

826
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 4: I think, you know, we find out a little bit

827
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 4: more of the origin of where they come from in

828
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 4: future episodes, and I think that opens up some questions

829
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 4: of you know, and it opens up the universe beyond

830
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 4: I'll say, just the immediate vicinity of the town of

831
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 4: Earth even so, I mean, we know Lanterns is coming.

832
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 4: That's gonna be an extraterrestrial threat, I think. So, I

833
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 4: think there's there could be a connection there, you know,

834
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 4: like this the new Superman movie or Man of Tomorrow

835
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 4: that got announced, you know, Brainiac might be a potential villain,

836
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 4: Like maybe there could be a connection there or something.

837
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 4: I can see this technology being related to Brainiac in

838
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 4: some way or something.

839
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 6: Like.

840
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 4: There's a lot of different ways it could go. So

841
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 4: I think that's that's a place they could take it.

842
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 5: Also, I would kind of love and it feels like

843
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 5: it would be so James Gunnish if like Chris's selfishness

844
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 5: in this world causes some like kind of it all

845
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 5: goes back to him crisis that they then have to

846
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 5: fix in the wider universe that if you watch the movies,

847
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 5: you'll probably only ever like, oh, it was fucking Peacemaker

848
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 5: or whatever version, right, But here you actually get to

849
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 5: watch what drove it and.

850
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: Why he made these choices.

851
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 5: I would really love to see that Jason going into

852
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 5: kind of heading into what is to be the second

853
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 5: half of the season and seeing where Peacemaker goes.

854
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: Who would be your most.

855
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 5: Wanted cameo after this episode, because I think the doors

856
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 5: are open for anyone like they're essentially resurrecting people at

857
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 5: this point.

858
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: Listen to any of the big any of the big ones.

859
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: I think I would love to see supermandos.

860
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 5: In David corn Sweat and this would be so good

861
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 5: of them.

862
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 2: Lois would be incredible, like a reference to a story

863
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: that she's written.

864
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, she does have a lot of contacts

865
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 5: within the government, within these organizations.

866
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, these August flares.

867
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 5: Are something she could definitely hear about, maybe be trying

868
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 5: to write a story about.

869
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: I love that call.

870
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: I think they could do some subtle extended not cameos,

871
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 2: but extended like bat family mentions.

872
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: Oh that would be nice. That would be nice, just.

873
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: Like on the news and stuff like oh such and

874
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: such was and whatever see a shadow or you hear

875
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: some sort of up there's like the head whatever the

876
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: headline says, you know, I would love I think I

877
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: almost think it is actually kind of likely that we

878
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: get some sort of green lanterns something I agree.

879
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 5: I agree too, because we already had green, We already

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Speaker 5: had Guy Gardner, like you know, dragging him in the interview.

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Speaker 5: I think we could definitely see Okay, the greenlandin show

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Speaker 5: we've been told, starring Aaron Pierre and of course our

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Speaker 5: guy from Friday Night Lights. We are gonna see How Jordan. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Kyle Chandler, We're gonna see How Jordan. We're gonna see

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Speaker 5: John Stewart. It's gonna be a grounded murder mystery that

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Speaker 5: is set on Earth, but it also has like intergalactic

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Speaker 5: ramifications that feels like it could so easily slip into this,

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Speaker 5: like if the Chris has already murdered somebody, the portals

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Speaker 5: are open, the world is, you know, not necessarily particularly stable.

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Speaker 5: So I think you're right. I think Greenlandin is a

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Speaker 5: great call. I also, James Gunn keeps saying we're going

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Speaker 5: to find out who's playing Harlequin soon. My dream is

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Speaker 5: for Margot Robbie to come back. I just think she's fantastic.

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Speaker 5: I think she works so well in this world. I

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Speaker 5: think we've seen that James Gunn and her have a

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Speaker 5: fantastic collaborative kind of spirit. But you know what she did, Barbie,

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Speaker 5: She's doing Wathering Heights. I don't think that's realistic. But

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Speaker 5: James Gunn does keep saying We're going to find out

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Speaker 5: who plays Harlequin soon, So I'm interested to see if

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Speaker 5: it's soon because she is going to be in the

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Speaker 5: show or mentioned or on a TV screen. You know,

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Speaker 5: she's been such a huge part of the connective tissue

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Speaker 5: between that VCEU to then James Gunn Superman and so

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Speaker 5: to have Harley here I think would be really interesting

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Speaker 5: how they're going to explain it. Maybe she comes from

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Speaker 5: perfect Universe, maybe she's a different actress. I think that

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Speaker 5: the opening of these portals allows them a lot of

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Speaker 5: creative freedom with what they're going to do next, And

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Speaker 5: clearly j Jiames Gunn has like full creative control over

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Speaker 5: this universe. There is no making TV by council here,

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Speaker 5: not like how the early days of the Marvel worked,

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Speaker 5: which obviously is fantastic, Like we love the Council of

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Speaker 5: creatives who shaped the MCU. That's like an incredible thing

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Speaker 5: that happened. But this is a very different version of

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Speaker 5: what we've seen before. So yeah, I'm I'm very intrigued.

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Speaker 5: The Rick Flag of it all just had me like

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Speaker 5: one hundred percent in because I, like I said, I've

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Speaker 5: said it in the past. First Piece Maker season, I

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Speaker 5: love how much everyone loved it.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was fine.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was really well made, but I'm not

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Speaker 5: a fan of just Peacemaker in general post suicide squad.

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Speaker 5: So to bring in Rick Flag, to bring in enchantrous mentions,

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Speaker 5: to do that and show how those characters have interacted

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Speaker 5: with these characters not just now but throughout the years,

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Speaker 5: that is so appealing to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think as well.

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Speaker 5: I'm not surprised that Episode three just like popped off

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Speaker 5: and made everyone another.

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 2: One more thing that I think is really smart, and

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Speaker 2: it's a in contrast to the MCU, is the way

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Speaker 2: they use multidimensionality as like there's an actual government stance

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Speaker 2: towards it. Now it's a threat. It almost destroyed the world.

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Speaker 2: Lex almost killed the world with an unregulated dimensional portal,

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Speaker 2: and so now we have to like clamp down on

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Speaker 2: these things. Whereas so there's like a story driving point

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Speaker 2: that actual tension raising steak for them to exist or

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Speaker 2: for them to be a part of the action, Whereas

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Speaker 2: in other kinds of storytelling and kind of the way

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Speaker 2: they've been used in the MCU, it's more been like

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Speaker 2: a disx MAC in.

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Speaker 5: A portal way to get to an end, to bring people.

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Speaker 2: In, whereas these have repercussions in their stakes, and I

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Speaker 2: really enjoy that. Well, we're going to keep talking about

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Speaker 2: Peacemaker over the coming weeks. We're going to be following

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Speaker 2: it episode by episode. On the next episodes of X

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Speaker 2: ray Vision, we're diving into Foundation an Alienator. That's it

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Speaker 2: for this episode.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for listening, Sci Fi Bye bye.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie

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Speaker 2: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 5: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bai Wag.

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Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 5: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and

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Speaker 5: Heidi our discord moderator.