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Speaker 1: He's a busy guy doing a lot of things multimedia.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to take too much of his time

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Speaker 1: now that he's in the third hour. He's the co

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Speaker 1: host and a friend. First things first, his name is

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Speaker 1: Nick Right. His name is Nick Right, and it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: That is hold on, hold on. That is one hell

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Speaker 3: of a way to explain. I got bumped from the

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Speaker 3: spot I've been in for seven years for Joel Klatt.

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Speaker 3: When I got the text like, hey, can we move you?

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Speaker 3: This is like it's a Herd hierarchy then Nick Wright

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Speaker 3: every Tuesday, damn near a decade. Honestly, I said yes,

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Speaker 3: of course, And in my head I'm like, oh, Tom

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Speaker 3: Brady must be coming on, like that would make sense.

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Speaker 3: I was like, that's why I turn it on. And

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Speaker 3: I love Joel best looking man in sports TV. But

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Speaker 3: that's it, just a very quick anytime the ego gets

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Speaker 3: a little too big, it's nice to have a reality check.

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Speaker 3: And it's Joe Klatt's schedule far more important than within

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Speaker 3: with something we've done for a decade.

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Speaker 4: So no problem. I'm glad you could make time for me,

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Speaker 4: mister coward.

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Speaker 1: Thank you you bet. I did tell them yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: said I'd preferm in the second hour. It has to

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Speaker 1: go through Nick, so I.

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Speaker 4: Did you know, no problem, don't worry.

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Speaker 1: So I still I'm I just don't buy Buffalo. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you can win a super Bowl trailing seven

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Speaker 1: out of eight weeks. They're so bad in the first half.

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Speaker 1: They're worse than Cleveland, you know, since week ten in

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Speaker 1: the first half. So I have them ten. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, I've said this with the Chargers, you can't

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Speaker 1: win multiple playoff games with an O line that bad.

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Speaker 1: You can't win when you constantly put a cape on

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, anything else, anything jump out to you here.

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Speaker 3: Well, so I guess here's what I would say. I

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Speaker 3: feel like you can do the You can't win a

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Speaker 4: Like if I were to go through your hierarchy.

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Speaker 3: I would feel like the Seahawks, We're gonna trust Darnold

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Speaker 3: The Niners, the team that gets to the quarterback less

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Speaker 4: Patriots have looked great.

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Speaker 3: The real knock on them is simply a quarterback's first

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Speaker 3: and they haven't faced the stiffest competition.

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Speaker 4: The Jags have.

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Speaker 3: You know how much I like Trevor Lawrence and want

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Speaker 3: team until five weeks ago. They were winning despite not

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Speaker 3: The Eagles have played thirty two halves this year, colin

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Speaker 3: One in ten halves they go negative yards passing.

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Speaker 3: To me, the Broncos are the Texans offense or the

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Speaker 3: actually bowed up in that game. They got let down

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Speaker 3: by Josh Allen, who's been great, made some mistakes. The

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Speaker 4: This is what happens.

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Speaker 3: The moral of the story is, this is what happens

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Speaker 4: Everyone's got issues. I mean, it really is just not

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Speaker 3: It's just it's just so much better when the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: Their coach spars with fans, they fire super Bowl winning

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Speaker 1: They go halves without completing a pass. Their coach is

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Speaker 1: Are the Eagles the greatest dysfunctional franchise in American sports?

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Speaker 3: What a great question, So I don't, so I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I consider myself. I know this is in sound arrogant,

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Speaker 3: Top shelf basketball and football historian, not so much baseball.

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Speaker 3: So I like, were the Billy Martiney Yankees like this?

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Speaker 3: Were they really good? I don't, you know, I'm not

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Speaker 3: quite sure. Typically, when we think of dysfunctional teams, you

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Speaker 3: I think of the Trail Blazers team that you covered. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: They went on playoff runs, but you don't think of champions.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you could argue the Barry Switzer Cowboys had some

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Speaker 4: But man, Colin, here's what we now know.

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Speaker 3: Philly is going to be the two or the three seed,

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Speaker 3: the three, then the three seed you will be playing

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Speaker 3: Those are the only two teams that can be the six. Man,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I like either of those teams to

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Speaker 3: right now, I just can't trust that they don't have say,

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Speaker 3: they have Saquan, but Squan hasn't been able to save

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Speaker 3: and people were like, it's fixed. I don't know that

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's going to be enough for them

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Speaker 1: So I acknowledge we all have biases. I'm a traitist

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Speaker 1: with quarterbacks. Yeah, I want I want. I always say

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Speaker 1: I want my quarterbacks like my furniture, big and hard

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Speaker 1: that throw it down the field, like I I sure,

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Speaker 1: to do with Brock Purty because he looked like a

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Speaker 1: Trent Williams and you and I have been on this,

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Speaker 1: on the quarterback stuff. I look at Brock party I'm like,

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Speaker 1: And then I watched him and I'm like, okay, three

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Speaker 1: wasn't this What do we make of Purty?

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Speaker 3: So listen, I think both things can be true. The

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Speaker 3: last two weeks, in particular, he's been sensational, and last

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Speaker 3: week against Caleb he was He went blow for blow,

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Speaker 3: throw for throw. Yeah, with a guy who you and

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Speaker 3: I both believe has MVP caliber traits. So I am

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Speaker 3: not taking anything away from Purdy for what he did

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Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks. That can be true, While

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Speaker 3: gleaned from seeing mac Jones in this offense with these

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Speaker 3: but be really good. Be you know, oh wow. If

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Speaker 3: you had never seen mac Jones before, you'd be like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 3: that's obviously a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 4: But we know he's not.

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Speaker 3: So I think that can go into the Purty grade

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Speaker 3: and evaluation. I also have said, and people don't believe

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Speaker 3: say I'm not trying to be a rock purty hater.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to give credit where it's fully due.

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Speaker 3: But I want that to be the case. And what

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Speaker 3: I don't want Party to get credit. It's that credit

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Speaker 3: there's only so much credit to go around and to me,

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Speaker 3: this year, the two leading actors for the Niners have

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Speaker 3: been Kyle Shanahan, who has been brilliant, and Christian McCaffery,

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Speaker 3: who I think is the offensive player of the year

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Speaker 3: in this league. I think Christian McCaffery having another two

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Speaker 3: thousand yards from scrimmage season, the touchdowns, the touches, the

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Speaker 3: only consistent person on their offense all year to have

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Speaker 3: them a game away from the one seed. He has

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Speaker 3: been brilliant. Party since he's come back from injury has

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Speaker 3: been very good and the last two weeks has been exceptional.

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Speaker 3: I still am hesitant, and in fact not hesitant. I

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Speaker 3: am at the moment, unwilling to elevate him past a

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Speaker 3: certain tier of quarterbacks because of what I saw mac

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Speaker 3: Jones doing, because of what I saw perty look like

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Speaker 3: last year. But he's been awesome in the last two weeks.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: I had Mike Rabel on earlier, and I didn't ask

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Speaker 1: it was very easy in year two to go Lamar

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Speaker 1: should be MVP because he's so explosive and dynamic and

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Speaker 1: stylistically so unique. And it was very easy with Mahomes

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Speaker 1: he was winning so many games to go, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: an MVP. He throws left handed, He's got the best

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Speaker 1: arm in the league. The guy is clever, he's fun.

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Speaker 1: I think it's harder to look at Drake May and go.

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Speaker 1: He's very accurate, he's very sturdy. I like his leadership.

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Speaker 1: It's all hard until last night. You were like, let's

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Speaker 1: give it to Stafford three weeks ago, so let's give it.

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Speaker 1: Let's give it to Alan. Drake May is Brady with

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Speaker 1: a little bit of mobility, and Brady to the very end,

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Speaker 1: seth Wickersham wrote a column ones I remember this reading it,

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Speaker 3: Happy holidays, Colin, great to see you, brother, Merry Christmas,

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Speaker 1: Right, the super fun talented Nick Wright. First things first,

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Speaker 5: Oh boy, Colin, Big day in the NFL. We got

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Speaker 5: some breaking news out of Dallas. The Cowboys just released

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Speaker 5: a mess. He's gonna Digs will be eight and a

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Speaker 5: love that, Jerry.

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Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys are going edge rusher and corner

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Speaker 5: Here's your boy, Jerry Jones talking about releasing Trayvon.

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Speaker 6: Did we had a expectation in our secondary and I

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Speaker 5: Obviously tough day for the Diggs family. We know what

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Speaker 5: I'm just this is if you're a Cowboys fan, Hey,

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Speaker 5: the drop seas this year. Listen, you could put lipstick

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Speaker 5: let's move on to the Chargers. Colin. They secured a

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Speaker 4: All all potential teams.

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Speaker 1: The guys that need to you have the most bruises,

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Speaker 5: Who's got the head coaching advantage New England Chargers?

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Speaker 1: at home pressure Khalil Matt coming off the edge, Jesse

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Speaker 1: mentor DC. That's a tough ask for a week one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but if it's snowing so far as Chargers going into

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Speaker 1: a snowstorm.

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Speaker 5: So it's not overrated narrative. I totally disagree if this is.

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Speaker 5: If this somehow is three and a half, I'm considering

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Speaker 5: next year's salary just like I just I love Harbor

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Speaker 5: listen man, and they're resting their guys. I love if

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Speaker 5: Patriots are playing their guys because they still have a

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Speaker 5: shot at I think the number one. But Denver would

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Speaker 5: have to lose to the Charges, which isn't happening. Can

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Speaker 5: we just get real talk. I don't like looking through

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Speaker 5: the fifteen permutations for what could happen.

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Speaker 1: Do you like doing that or no, well there's not

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Speaker 1: fifteen of them?

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Speaker 5: I know, No, I mean they set me Chargers playoff.

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Speaker 5: There's okay, find fifteen.

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Speaker 1: There's a different if if Baltimore wins tomorrow, I'll do

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Speaker 1: AFC playoff picture stating that Baltimore wins and then that

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Speaker 1: because that I think they're gonna win, then we know

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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. And I think, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: nobody's talking about Denver's gonna have all home games and

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Speaker 1: don't lose at home. Jacksonville is the only team in

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Speaker 1: two years that's got him at home. And Jacksonville Chargers, Texans.

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Speaker 1: Those are warm weather teams having to go playing snow.

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Speaker 5: So you sounding confidence that Sean Payton's going to the

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl? Hunh, make it, make it, make it interesting.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps take a deep breath.

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Speaker 5: I'm excited, all right. Final story, Colin, we got some

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Speaker 5: crappy news out of the NBA. Nicola Jokic, currently the

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Speaker 5: best player in the league, had just a brutal moment

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Speaker 5: here where his own player backing up steps on his

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Speaker 5: on Yokic's foot. The knee buckles. There were some major fears.

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Speaker 5: The good news is ligaments are intact and it's a

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Speaker 5: hyper extended knee. He's gonna miss at least four weeks.

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Speaker 5: If you are in the awards market, Jokic missing four

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Speaker 5: weeks cannot win the MVP because they have this silly

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Speaker 5: got to play sixty five games or whatever, and Yokic

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Speaker 5: now is missing four weeks, he can't win the MVP.

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Speaker 5: So obviously the Nuggets have major injury problems right now.

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Speaker 5: Aaron Gordon is down. I mean, they're starting guys I'm

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Speaker 5: not familiar with, Colin. This is really good news for

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Speaker 5: the young San Antonio Spurs, who are establishing themselves, I

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Speaker 5: believe is the best team in the league. It's okay,

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Speaker 5: see and the Spurs at the top of the West

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Speaker 5: record wise. If the Lakers can tread water without Reefs,

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Speaker 5: listen the Nuggets for a month, what are they gonna be?

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Speaker 5: Five and five and fifteen. They're not gonna be good

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Speaker 5: without Jokis at all. There's a chance for the Lakers

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Speaker 5: to gain some ground. Oh, come on, they're not good Lakers.

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Speaker 5: Lakers have so many they're so bad right now defensively, Hey,

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Speaker 5: why don't you start saying nice things about them? Because

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Speaker 5: JJ Reddick will then come on the show.

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Speaker 1: JJ Reddick's busy. I mean, they have these NBA guys coaching,

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Speaker 1: living on four and a half hours sleep. He's trying

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Speaker 1: to fix the defense. I think JJ Reddick's busy, Like

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, everybody's like, Oh, JJ Reddick he is.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's really rough on these players. It's okay

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Speaker 1: if the NBA players occasionally Charles Barkley and JJ Reddick

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Speaker 1: don't pander to them. NFL guys get crushed all the time.

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Speaker 1: So what he better win games? Lakers stink defensively. Somebody

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Speaker 1: needs to call him out.

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Speaker 5: Go off.

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Speaker 1: J McK of the news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Laker's fourth worst defensive rating in December in the league.

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Speaker 1: Fans know it. Think about this. They don't have any

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Speaker 1: three and D guys. Like the NBA is a three

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Speaker 1: and D league, has been for a decade. In December,

504
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Speaker 1: opponent shot forty one from the three point line. They

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Speaker 1: just can't get out to defend it. It's brutal. I

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Speaker 1: mean that, that's just brutal. And that's a that's a

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Speaker 1: roster composition issue. That's not JJ reddicks fault. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's been a three and D league forever. They don't

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Speaker 1: have any three and D guys. Jared Vanderbilt's got some dexterity.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a little bit he's versatile as a defender,

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Speaker 1: but so many diversaal defenders. It's an offensive it's an

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Speaker 1: offensive roster. That's not JJ Redicks fault. Don't blame him.

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Speaker 1: He inherited it. It's the hurt.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a Empacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: Saturday Prime time Hoops is on Fox with a Big

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Speaker 5: ten showdown as fifth rank Purdue takes on Wisconsin at

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Speaker 5: Aultin Soft at eight pm Eastern Saturday on Fox Thursday,

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Speaker 5: Big college football games. I think Oregon Texas Tech is

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Speaker 5: going to be interesting. So Dante Moore is fascinating. There

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Speaker 5: could be a domino effect. Here's my big opinion, and

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Speaker 5: it actually helps Oregon, helps Dante More and hurts crappy

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Speaker 5: NFL teams for a quarterback. I don't think he's gonna

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Speaker 5: play particularly well against Texas Tech, but I think Oregon

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Speaker 5: probably finds a way to win. He was good against

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Speaker 5: James Madison, five touchdowns, surmanderd yards completed seventy percent. He

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Speaker 5: wasn't great against Iowa. He was it was bad weather.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't great against Indiana. He was good against Penn State.

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Speaker 5: They turned out to be not very good. I like

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Speaker 5: Dante More a lot, but he's twenty years old. What

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Speaker 5: a disaster it would be to send him to the Jets.

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Speaker 5: What a disaster it would be to send him to

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Speaker 5: a bad team with a shaky ownership.

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Speaker 1: I want to see the kids succeed. Reportedly, he's a

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Speaker 1: great kid, and I think Texas Tech Oregon's best case

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Speaker 1: scenario for the program is they win and Dante maybe

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Speaker 1: has a bad pick, doesn't blow everybody away. I think

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Speaker 1: that's best case because Donald. Look how good Donald is,

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Speaker 1: And remember how good Donald was in college at USC.

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Speaker 1: He went to New York the dysfunctional Jets, and he

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Speaker 1: was twenty and it was a disaster. So you can't

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Speaker 1: overcome weird ownership, bad coaching, shaky front offices, weak rosters,

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Speaker 1: no matter unless you're Andrew Luck out of college. So

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Speaker 1: here is Todd McShay last week on the show about

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Speaker 1: Dante more going forward.

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Speaker 5: I love him.

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Speaker 7: I think he's going to be a great pro. If

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Speaker 7: he were solely listening to my advice, I would say

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Speaker 7: go back to school for another year, man, because I

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Speaker 7: have evidence from twenty five years that I've gathered that

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Speaker 7: the number starts that he has, which is what seventeen,

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Speaker 7: I think at this point it'll be eighteen, nineteen, twenty,

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Speaker 7: somewhere in that range, the chances of him succeeding with

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Speaker 7: another twelve, thirteen, fourteen starts next year are significantly higher.

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Speaker 7: Twenty five years of data telling me that Todd's wright.

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Speaker 1: So it's just he's a really talented kid, but we've

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Speaker 1: seen the time and time again you get stuck with

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Speaker 1: the wrong franchise. Look at how good Sam Darnold is

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Speaker 1: now winning record, Carolina winning record, Minnesota winning record, Seattle

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Speaker 1: disaster in New York. So the other thing, I tend

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Speaker 1: to see myself as America's honesty broker. I had the

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Speaker 1: voice of college football Joel klatt on earlier, who is

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Speaker 1: also the voice of reason on USC and Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: ending there at least for the time being. I think

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Speaker 1: they'll resume it at some point, perhaps, but ending their rivalry,

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Speaker 1: and Clatt sees it like I do.

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Speaker 8: Listen, it does not bemoove anybody. I can't believe I'm

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Speaker 8: saying this, but like to schedule Notre Dame because they

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Speaker 8: have such an advantage over these teams that are playing

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Speaker 8: and in the Big ten in the SEC's cases, much

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Speaker 8: more difficult schedules. And now there's this bar, like a

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Speaker 8: minimum bar, where all Notre Dame has to do is

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Speaker 8: be in the top twelve with their schedule.

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Speaker 1: That's that's crazy. Miami, if Notre dame side deal would

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Speaker 1: have been intact this year, Miami, who just beat Texas

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Speaker 1: A and M in the playoff, Miami would have been

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Speaker 1: bounced out by Notre Dame, and Miami beat Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Think about that, meaning there could be a scenario if

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Speaker 1: USC Notre Dame played, USC beat Notre Dame, is ranked

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Speaker 1: a head of Notre Dame and would get bounced out

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Speaker 1: by Notre Dame and their automatic bid. Think about that.

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Speaker 1: Miami this year would have been bounced out and they

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Speaker 1: beat Notre Dame head to head and had four common

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Speaker 1: opponents and beat three of the four. So just put

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Speaker 1: yourself USC in Miami's shoes. They would have been knocked

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Speaker 1: out and beat Notre Dame. So again I said before

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Speaker 1: all these former Trojans that are upset, are any of

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Speaker 1: you guys business guys? Any of you guys entrepreneurs. Would

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Speaker 1: you go into a business deal where a guy had

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Speaker 1: a side deal that you weren't, you didn't know, or

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Speaker 1: you didn't have even if you didn't know, and he

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Speaker 1: could take a majority of the profits because of the

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Speaker 1: side deal.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do a business deal like that.

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Speaker 5: Colin can I ask why do you, I know you

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Speaker 5: hate this Notre Dame auto in the top twelve. Why

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Speaker 5: do you think the committee cut the deal with him,

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Speaker 5: Then why would you do the deal a Notre Dame,

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Speaker 5: Hey cool playing a conference? No, we want you. Why

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Speaker 5: do you think they said you're auto top top twelve

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Speaker 5: because Notre Dame is a huge brand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that they are. And also Notre Dame cut a

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Speaker 1: deal because Notre Dame knows if USC doesn't play us,

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Speaker 1: our schedule will easily be the weakest of any top

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Speaker 1: ten to twelve program.

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Speaker 4: They knew it.

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Speaker 1: So now this could all be averted if if you

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Speaker 1: didn't have these automatic qualifiers like Tulane and James Madison.

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Speaker 1: If you took those out, then I think USC would

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Speaker 1: be more comfortable saying, hey, if we're ranked top twelve,

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Speaker 1: we get in. But now you can be ranked tenth.

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Speaker 1: If you're USC Notre Dame twelve, you could have beaten

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Speaker 1: them head to head and Notre Dame gets in automatically.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going into no, it's smart by Notre Dame. Right,

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Speaker 5: you would admit that. You can say the other side

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Speaker 5: is like upset, why would you do it? But it's Notre.

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Speaker 1: Dame smartly is prioritizing the playoff and we're not.

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Speaker 5: We don't care about a conference, we don't need no

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Speaker 5: conference because guess what, we've got to deal with NBC

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Speaker 5: and teams are willing to play us for a marquee game, right, Cincinnati,

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Speaker 5: all these other middling to your programs and guess what,

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Speaker 5: Notre Dame. They then could bake in one loss of

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Speaker 5: seat and still get to the playoffs. It's genius business

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Speaker 5: from their end.

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Speaker 1: And USC says, no can do. We're now, We're now

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Speaker 1: inarguably the toughest conference. If you look at USC schedule

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Speaker 1: next year, Ohio State, Oregon, Washington at Indiana at Penn State.

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Speaker 5: Well, we don't know if Indiana and Penn State are

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Speaker 5: going to be great, but the other two yes, that

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Speaker 5: in Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Is going to be really good. They got major money

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Speaker 1: and a great coach. They got NFL dudes everywhere. They're

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Speaker 1: going to ten though. Come on, oh, I think they

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Speaker 1: are really Mark Cuban. You see the writing checks. Have

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Speaker 1: you seen the two families writing checks for Indiana. Indiana's

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Speaker 1: got a great business school. Indiana's here to stay.

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Speaker 5: I think this deal makes sense for both sides, USC

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Speaker 5: and Notre Dame. There's no loser here except the fans

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Speaker 5: who missed the game, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean Michigan used to play Notre Dame. They stopped

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Speaker 1: playing at the sport's more popular than ever. I think

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Speaker 1: college football is a bit of a mess, but it's a.

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Speaker 5: That's for sure.

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Speaker 1: You know well, but you know not everything that's a mess.

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Speaker 1: I've gone. I mean, we've all gone to events, we've

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Speaker 1: all gone to parties. We've all been in relationships that

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Speaker 1: are a bit of a mess, but they're fun. USC

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Speaker 1: played nine conference games this season. I don't think you

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Speaker 1: need to add another