1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to save our production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm Annie and I'm Lauren Vocal Bam, and today we're 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: talking about carib Yes. And this one is brought to 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: you by my nightmares because I had a nightmare about 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: carib Yes and Annie reported this to me and I 6 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: immediately went, oh, man, we should totally do an episode 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: about Caribs. So I'm probably a really bad co host. 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: Well it was funny because I was like, that's got 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: to be a sign of something, and I meant, maybe 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: it meant we should definitely not do it, or maybe 11 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: it meant we definitely should. But I like how you 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: immediately went down to yes, we definitely should. Yeah, okay, 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: So can I may I ask you about this nightmare? 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: Because I am I am so uh my, my curiosity 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: is piked. You know that's fair, Pete Dart piked either way. Uh. 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,919 Speaker 1: When someone texts you and says they had a nightmare 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: about carab it's fair to have some follow up questions. 18 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: I think it was partially inspired by our Hannibal episode. 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: I think that really got into my subconscious Yeah. Yeah, 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: I know. Now the concern is mounting and you're like, 21 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: maybe I should not have asked, um, so I guess 22 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: sum it up in the least terrifying way. For some reason, 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: my mom and I met this very famous chef and 24 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: the dream in the dream, uh and through a mall 25 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: adventure during yes, the pandemic and malls are always terrifying, 26 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: but especially when terrifying during panel, Yeah, we found this 27 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: huge carab seed, like huge football, bigger than a football 28 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: size football. Um. And she was asking his famous chef 29 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: to give her ideas for how to use it, and 30 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: he suggested that she hollow it out and put a 31 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: small child in there and roasted. That was the dream huh. 32 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: And I beg you not to read too deeply into 33 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: what this says about me, because I really feel strongly 34 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: that this was Hannibal inspired. Sure sure, sure, I um 35 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: we spoiler alert are also thinking really hard about doing 36 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: a Hustle and Gretel reading in a couple of weeks here, 37 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: So maybe maybe it was related to that, I think so, 38 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: I hope so. But I woke up and I was like, 39 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: what the heck? This is the being a food podcast 40 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: just one of the hazards it is, although that that's 41 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: like a very specific type of food, It's not the 42 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: first type of like being that I feel like my 43 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: subconscious glom onto in terms of being hollowed out and 44 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: putting a small child into well. And that's the other 45 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: interesting thing is because I hardly have any experience with carab. 46 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever cooked with it. I don't 47 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: think I've ever purchased it, So I makes it all 48 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: the more interesting to me. And I do feel like 49 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: there was like this air of it's kind of a 50 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: sweet and kind of like a fancier type food. I 51 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: don't know much about. Sure, Okay, alright, well I see you. Yeah, 52 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: I also have very little experience with carib. I can't 53 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: say that to my remembrance, I've ever had a nightmare 54 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: about it. Everybody has to have the careb nightmare, Lauren. 55 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: One day, I'm thinking really hard. I'll let you know 56 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: if it does. I will absolutely keep you updated. Um, 57 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: but uh yeah, my main experience with carib was as 58 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: a child. I was. I was young enough early enough 59 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: in the eighties that I do remember in my elementary 60 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: school having maybe like a kid in my class who 61 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: couldn't have chocolate or whose mom was your parents. I'm 62 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: sorry that was that was sexist of me. Who's whose parents, 63 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: UM would make baked goods with carib and always being 64 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: like this is being passed off as a chocolate substitute, 65 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: and it isn't chocolate. That's not what it is, UM, 66 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: and always just being disappointed in it based on that. UM. 67 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: But but now this, this has gotten me curious. I 68 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: want to go back and retry it. But but but 69 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: I feel like this all brings us to our question, Yes, 70 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: carib what is it? It's apparently the stuff of nightmare. 71 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm not the only one. We have some articles coming up, 72 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Uh Well, aside from that, carab is 73 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: a plant in the goom family UM, fabasia and um. 74 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: They're in a branch of the Fabassier family that grows 75 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: trees and woody shrubs UM and and these trees and 76 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: in the case of carib, are these lovely big trees 77 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: with a thick, large leaves that are great for shade. 78 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: They prefer mild, dry climates UM and not all carib 79 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: trees will grow carib pods on all of the trees, though, 80 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: these these clusters of tiny petal lists and apparently super 81 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: stinky flowers will develop UM. Apparently they smell like a 82 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: combination of of of human semen and rotting. Oh there 83 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: you go. Nightmares stuff and nightmares. Yeah. And I will 84 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: say that if you live in Atlanta or have been 85 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: here during the spring um tree blossoming season, you will 86 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: probably know a very similar scent from ornamental pear trees. 87 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: It's a whole thing that happens, yep all. And apparently 88 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: in addition to that, these ornamental pairs Bradford pairs are 89 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: just terrible for the local r r R very environment. 90 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: That's a separate episode, probably a separate podcast at any rate. 91 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: Um back to carib If pollinated, um, some of those 92 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: terribly offensive flowers will will develop a pod that's a 93 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: that's green when immature, and we'll ripen into this long, 94 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:32,119 Speaker 1: dark brown, shiny, kind of lumpy, um flat ovular pod, 95 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: sort of like um, like if someone pressed a really 96 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: overripe small banana flat and then and then lacquered it. 97 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm not sure why they would, but that's kind of 98 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: what they look like. I bet that's been done. You know. 99 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: Humans get up to stuff. I feel like we've talked 100 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: about in our project where somebody just left a banana 101 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: in a museum and people thought it was like modern art. 102 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: So I don't think that this is outside the realm 103 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: of possibility at all. No, No, you're right, you're right. 104 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: Uh Um. Unlike that banana though. Um. Inside of this 105 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: carib pod um you'll get a a sweet, stiff pulp 106 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: surrounding a number of small brown seeds along one seam. 107 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: And the skin contains a lot of tannins, which which 108 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: gives carab just kind of like smoothly bitter twinge that's 109 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: brought out by drying or roasting and uh. The pod 110 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: can be eaten fresh or dried, roasted, and ground with 111 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: the seeds removed in order to make a light brown powder. 112 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: That powder can be steeped like coffee to result in 113 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: a rich drink or used in candies or baked goods. 114 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: You can also simmer the pods and water to create 115 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: a sugary syrup, which can be reduced and used as 116 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: a as a sweetener and drinks or desserts, or to 117 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: produce beverages and alcohol. I've also seen recipes for savory 118 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: sauces and stews that incorporate carab um. My very favorite 119 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: botany blog called Botanist in the Kitchen highly recommends carib 120 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: and peanut butter candies um as as peanuts and carib 121 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: are both in the fabacier family, so apparently taste great together. 122 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: Some traditional Mediterranean recipes include like almonds or tahini as 123 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: complimentary flavors UM. In Malta, some candy makers produce carab 124 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: based caramel candies for sale during Lent, when regular candies 125 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: are like traditionally refrained from. I like that, Yeah, I 126 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. I love a workaround. Yes, always thinking 127 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: gotta get those sweets somehow, you'll do. Oh my gosh, 128 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: you do. It's true. UM and the carab plant is 129 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: also the source of locust being gum, which is the 130 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: some kind of gelatinous ingredient that's used to thicken and 131 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: homogenize and bind and stabilize things like UM like almond 132 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: milk or ice cream, processed meats and sausages, UM, soft cheeses, 133 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: soups and sauces, condiments, even up to like a like 134 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: slow released drugs um in in medications, UM also in 135 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: non food items like liquid cosmetics and paints and adhesives. 136 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: UM locus being gum is taken from the endosperm of 137 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: caribs seeds inside the fruit and locust bean is. Yes, 138 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: it is another word for carab. No locuses were harmed 139 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: in the making of this product. More on why it's 140 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: called locust being later on. Yes, m M. But what 141 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: about the nutrition. Well, uh, carab is high in sugars, 142 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: also has a good smattering of vitamins and minerals, a 143 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: bit of protein, a whole bunch of fiber. Um. It'll 144 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: help fill you up, but to keep you going, you know, 145 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: pair it with with some proteins and fat um. Carab 146 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: is sometimes used as indeed a substitute for cocoa in 147 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: candies and other treats because it's got that that roasty, 148 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: rich flavor um, and because it's considered to be a 149 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: little bit healthier um in part because it's naturally sweet 150 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: so you don't have to add as much extra sugar, 151 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: and also because it doesn't contain caffeine or theobromineum, which 152 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: are stimulants. And also also because all that fiber means 153 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: that you can like sub it in for other flowers 154 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: that are more complex carbi. Yeah, uh, but I mean 155 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: it still contains sugar, you know. Research on how our 156 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: bodies handle different types of sugar is still ongoing. Current 157 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: recommendations include avoiding too much sugar of any kind. Um. Also, 158 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, like once, it's like if you're 159 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: making like a like a like a carib bar um, 160 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: like a chocolate bar, but with carab instead of cocoa, 161 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: once you add whatever fats you're using to make that, 162 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, you know, read read your read 163 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: your ingredient labels. I see you see. If it's really 164 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: kind of just a one to one comparison er, if 165 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: it's apples and oranges, I don't know. I mean you know, 166 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: if you're avoiding chocolate or or caffeine, then then yeah, 167 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: this can be an alternative totally. Um, but read really 168 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: wables um looks Bingham, I'll say. Is also considered like 169 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: a healthy substitute for fats in processed foods because you 170 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: can add that that thickness and texture from that fiber 171 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: without adding fat. And yeah, carab does contain a lot 172 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: of soluble fiber, so it's been traditionally used to help 173 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: treat digestive problems like diarrhea, and it's also being investigated 174 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: for for different compounds it contains that may help prevent 175 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: cancer and cardiovascular problems and diabetes and other diseases. UM 176 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: likely the amount of these compounds that you would get 177 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: from just like eating a handful of carib chips or 178 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: like baking some into your brownies isn't going to have 179 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: these like strong health benefits. And as always, before incorporating 180 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: a medicinally significant amount of anything into your diet, talk 181 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: talk to talk to a medical provider. Because the human 182 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: body is complicated, more research needs to be done. What's 183 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: the third thing I usually say? I don't know. Yeah, 184 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: eat a vegetable. Eat a vegetable. I don't think it's 185 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: related to that particular saying that. Uh we always throw 186 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: that in the h Yeah, never not eat a vegetable. 187 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty good advice. M h uh. We 188 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: do have a couple of numbers for you. We do, 189 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: uh so, so okay. The global carib powder market is 190 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: worth nearly fifty million dollars a year and is growing. 191 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: It's expected to hit nearly seventy million dollars a year UM. 192 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: Europe currently consumes the most about the global production, and 193 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: Asia Pacific is expected to increase the most in consumption 194 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: over the next ten years or so as um CAB 195 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: becomes more available in health food segments. In that area. 196 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: UM most is grown in the Mediterranean, though UM Spain, Italy, Portugal, 197 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: Greece and Morocco are the five places that produced the most, 198 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: and they by far produced um most of the world's supply. Yes, 199 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: and there is a good reason for that, indeed, and 200 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: we will get into that history as soon as we 201 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: get back from a quick break for a word from 202 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, yes, thank you. 203 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: So the cap tree probably originated thousands of years ago 204 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: in the Mediterranean makes sense, I feel like it often doesn't. 205 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: But hey, yeah, actually, yeah, you're right. Yeah, I know. 206 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, straightforward, weird? What um? And it 207 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: has been cultivated there for at least a couple of 208 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: thousands of years, according to all fall A de condole 209 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: um I said that in a very interesting pronunciation, because 210 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: this is the nineteenth century French Swiss botanist, so apologies 211 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: Alphonse de candole Probably um, he wrote, carib quote grew 212 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: wild in the Levant, which is part of the Mediterranean, 213 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: UM probably on the southern coast of Anatolia and in Syria, 214 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: perhaps also in Saranasia. Its cultivation began within historic time. 215 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: The Greeks diffused it in Greece and Italy, but it 216 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: was after four but it was afterwards more highly esteemed 217 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: by the Arabs, who propagated it as far as Morocco 218 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: and Spain and all these countries. The tree has become 219 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: naturalized here and there in a less productive form. And 220 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: it is notable that it was domesticated so late. A 221 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: lot of food crops were domesticated um before written history 222 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: existed UM. And that may indicate that that either the 223 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: wild fruit was useful enough to foragers, that that no 224 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: one really bothered to cultivate it earlier than that, or 225 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: that no one cared enough about it as a food 226 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: source to bother to cultivate it before that. Woof oof, 227 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: I just say hard to say pre cultivation, though care 228 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: of it may have originated in Africa and or the 229 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: Middle East, possibly as far back as four to six 230 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: thousand years ago. Ancient Egyptians might have used locust being 231 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: gum as an adhesive in mummy bindings. Oh cool the stuff, 232 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm night there, I was onto something I didn't know 233 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: it you were um. And and also around the b C. 234 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: E C. Transition era, UM plenty of the elder our 235 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: old pal noted that the flowers do indeed have a 236 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: very powerful odor. Wow, I don't thing to say. You know, 237 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm always sad when Plenty doesn't show up in an episode, 238 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: So this is nice. I feel like it's been a 239 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: minute since Plenty has made a cameo. Welcome back, but yeah, 240 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: we've missed you. Many people have historically called carab St. 241 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: John's bread as a reference to how in the Bible St. 242 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: John survived on locust when in the desert and the 243 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: temptation of the hungry prodigal sun by the husk, and 244 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: in fact locust first noted a carab tree. It was 245 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: only later it came to mean grasshoppers and grasshopper like creatures. Um. 246 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: Carab often provided senses for the poor during times of famine, 247 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: but was more often a food for live stock. Again, 248 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to say what was all getting recorded. 249 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: It could have just been not necessarily of worth writing down. 250 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: But at one time carats these were believed to be 251 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: so uniform and wait that they were used as unit 252 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: weights like a kilogram um, and from that would get 253 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: the word carrot with the sea uh and jewelers have 254 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: used them to weigh stones and precious materials. Throughout history. However, 255 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: they aren't really all that uniform light, so you could 256 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: and people definitely did the system. I love that this 257 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: is where we get both locusts and carrot, like I 258 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: know what two interesting words like, and to like wildly 259 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: separate concepts to have come from this one food product 260 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: that like everyone was kind of met about. I know, 261 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: it's pretty excellent. UM. Spanish missionaries were responsible for introducing 262 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: carib trees to North America during colonization nine century. Italian 263 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: Prince bel Monte influenced many on the ornamental use of 264 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: care of trees and also the planting of thousands for 265 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: reforestation purposes. The US Patent Office YES distributed over eight 266 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: thousand care of trees it received from Spain in California 267 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty four eighteen fifty six. UM Israel sent 268 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: more seeds in eighteen fifty nine, and these treets took 269 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: off particularly well in the southwestern United States. In nineteen fourteen, 270 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: the horticultural commissioner for Santa Barbara told the Los Angeles 271 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: Times quote, the day may come when the deserts will 272 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: be extensive forest of carab trees. Huh and okay, so 273 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: that may not have happened UM, but but carib did 274 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: spread throughout the southwestern United States and also UM parts 275 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: of Australia, South Africa, and Central America over the next 276 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: few decades. Simultaneously, UM, some of the Mediterranean countries that 277 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: had previously exported a lot of carib like Cyprus, began 278 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: moving away from agriculture and into um more more financial 279 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: business kind of segments. Italian immigrants working at street vendors 280 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: in New York City sold carib for chewing in the UM. 281 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: Yeah in the US got one of its very first 282 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: health food cookbooks and Mrs Richter's Cookless Book, and it 283 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: included Carab recipes like desserts made with carab and pine 284 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: nuts and carib almond milk. The Alternative medicine contributor for 285 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Times, it wrote about confections of quote figs, nuts, prunes, honey, dates, raisins, 286 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: and carab meal in nineteen two. When Hawk and Does 287 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: launched in Manhattan in nineteen six, it featured a care 288 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 1: but flavored ice cream. It didn't last very long, and 289 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: this was part of an entire health food trend that 290 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: UM that has been kind of widely panned. Yes, and 291 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: speaking of In a article published by Jonathan Kauffman for 292 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: The New Yorker called quote, How carib Traumatized a generation, 293 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: he writes about being a child raised during the nineteen seventies, 294 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: how food generation, Uh, This whole carab as a chocolate 295 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: replacement scarred many children. Health cookbooks at the time did 296 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: tout carib as a chocolate substitute and an ingredient in 297 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: quote Confections without Objections, as one Vegan cookbook put it 298 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: um So I had a couple of quotes I want 299 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: to share from this article. And at the pinnacle of 300 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: our dietary suffering worse even than sprout sandwiches are fruit 301 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: leather or whole wheat scones. There was carib the chocolate 302 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: substitute that never could And here's another one. Grown ups 303 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: have mastered this acquired taste for the air sets, but 304 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: children have no ability to strike the same bargain. They 305 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: taste not the similarities between the foods they are eating 306 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: and the foods they really want to eat, only the 307 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: thwarted desire for what is forbidden. No matter how much 308 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: time passes, those objects of childhood dread are difficult to see. 309 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: A new poor carab I may never know how good 310 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: you taste. That is harsh. That is harsh. And I 311 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: know we've talked about this a lot before the danger 312 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: of viewing something as an alternative instead of just what 313 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: it is and just what it is, oh yeah, yeah 314 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: all all the time. I would always rather be served 315 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: something and be like, oh man, this is delicious because 316 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: of this and this and this isn't it cool? And 317 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: I'll probably be like yeah, totally. And if you serve 318 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: me something and go like it's like chocolate, and I'm like, 319 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: this isn't heck and chocolate stop, or like it's not chicken. 320 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: Just call it something different, like, don't make it try 321 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: to be It's fine on its own. Yeah, like all 322 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: of us, we're fine on our own. No comparisons necessary, 323 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: no comparison um. And it wasn't just children that weren't 324 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: super super fond of carib. Some farmers fed carab to 325 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: their livestock in the nineteen twenties, and at least one 326 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: plant went up during this time, like a manufacturing plant 327 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: uh to extract sugar from carab, But by the nineteen forties, 328 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: carab was primarily seen as a not so desirable ornamental 329 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: plant in California in facts in a humorous route in 330 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: the l A Times, Care for a carab Pod, I 331 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: got too many of us. Yikes, yikes. And you know, 332 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 1: it did take long for chocolate the cell food thing 333 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: to sort of die down and chocolate to become hip, 334 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: and certainly was by the nineteen eighties. In n the 335 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: Times best seller was Chocolate The Consuming Passion by Sandra Boyton. UM. Yeah, yeah, yeah, UM. Well, 336 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, as I will say here, as of UM, 337 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: the University of Cyprus launched its Black Gold Initiative, which 338 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: is this sweeping research project UM to rekindle cultivation of 339 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: an interest in carib in Cyprus. UM and their aim 340 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: here what this project is to plant forty trees UM. 341 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: And since UM that the government has also gotten involved, 342 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: hoping to use carib to help offset some of the 343 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: negative economic effects of the pandemic. UM. And it seems 344 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: like a really cool, hopeful project. Like they're making a 345 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: lot of cool sounding UM beverages and they're putting out 346 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of recipes. They're they're excited about carib and 347 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: I'm excited for them. Yeah, like when people get excited 348 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: about the food things. Yeah, I feel like I didn't 349 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: really see much data to to prove my my gut instinct. 350 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: But I feel like, you know, in the two thousands 351 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: there was a health trend as well. Yeah for sure, 352 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, certainly. I think because I was trying to remember, like, 353 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: have I even had carib I believe I've had it 354 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: in a cookie that I got Trader Joe's. And I 355 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: think that I had it in a smoothie. I think 356 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: I've had to have it. Yeah, yeah, gosh, I don't think. 357 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: I don't think I've had it since um and and 358 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: that was as like a chocolate substitute and I was 359 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: mad about it, so um So, I don't know. I 360 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: think I think it's time to revisit carib let's revisit 361 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: care of the stuff of nightmares. I mean, that's only 362 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: got me more intrigued, Like there's something going on here. 363 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: My mind is trying to tell me something. Perhaps you're 364 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: watching too many horror movies. That's probably, honestly what your 365 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: brain is trying to tell you. Annie. I hate to 366 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: break it to you, but it would probably be trying 367 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: to tell you that during any month of the year, 368 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 1: let alone October. That's fair. But still, like I just 369 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: it blows my mind. I wasn't thinking about CAREB and 370 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: there's nothing I can think of why that would have 371 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: come to my brain, but it did. So here we are, 372 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: So here we are. You're welcome. Yeah, maybe it was 373 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: maybe like the spirit of Cab was like I need 374 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: a podcast to help bring me back to the public light. 375 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: That's probably it. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely the most logical 376 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: explanation for this. Well, our work here is done. It 377 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,479 Speaker 1: is because that is approximately what we have to say 378 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: about carib today. We do have some listener mail for you. 379 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: We do, but first we have one worker break for 380 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, 381 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: thank you, and we're back with listener. Oh gosh, it 382 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: wasn't what you were expecting, And it wasn't was I 383 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: was that was thought it was going to be sweet 384 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: and then it turned into a nightmare. Oh gosh. Uh huh. Yeah, 385 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm giving you something to think about. Thank you. I'm 386 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: always trying out And speaking of nightmares, this is an 387 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: excellent segue into this first letter, Emily wrote. My dad 388 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: is a huge fan of Savor, and since writing out 389 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: the pandemic together, he's also converted me into a savor fan. 390 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: Imagine our surprise when in a recent episode you two 391 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: mentioned how much you like Freddie Mercury mash up costumes. 392 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: My dad and I freaked out, and he said, I 393 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: have to email Annie and Lauren with my Halloween pictures. 394 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: I have a reputation for going pretty ham at Halloween. 395 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: I've dressed up as the dr Pepper Little Sweet Guy 396 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: and full drag, painted myself completely blue for the corpse ride, etcetera, etcetera. 397 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: But the Freddie Mercury costume was definitely the weirdest. I 398 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: did the dumb thing you're not supposed to do and 399 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: committed to this costume November one of the year prior. 400 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: That's right. I hiped this costume up to friends, colleagues, 401 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: Random's on the Street for a whole year and had 402 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: to deliver. Rather than most Freddie Mercury costumes where people 403 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: dressed up like Freddie in a Sailor Moon Sailor suit, 404 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: I deployed a full pun mode. Half of my body 405 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: was Freddy Krueger and half with Sailor Mercury. I think 406 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: the pictures will speak for themselves on just how weird 407 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: this costume actually was. It was fantastic. It was fantastically weird. 408 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: It was so good. The pun is great, the execution 409 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: was great. I think the year long build up was 410 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: paid off and full love it. Yeah we we hear 411 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: on saber can only uh state approval for ridiculously intense costuming. 412 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and I do the same thing, except 413 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: I usually do it after Dragon Connor. Right. I was 414 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: next year, my costume is gonna be this and I 415 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: get in the same So I feel you, I feel you, 416 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: But I think this was a smashing success. Aces Um. 417 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: Caroline wrote, I've been listening to your podcast for over 418 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: a year now and had to write in after hearing 419 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: your podcast on Apples. I live in When at You, Washington, 420 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: known as the Apple capital of the world and the 421 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: creation location of the cosmic Crisp Apple. We do have 422 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: a local festival as well in the spring, first weekend 423 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: in May, apple Blossom that has been running since. It's 424 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: two weeks full of food, fair, carnival, and two parades, 425 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: kids and original. I also wanted to add in we 426 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: were once known for the world's largest apple pie and 427 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: got to attend that event my first year here in 428 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: when Achy. Don't count us out. We are very proud 429 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: region for our apple growing. Well that's a lucky year 430 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: to move in. Yeah, apple pie, world's largest apple pie. 431 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: Good year to join up. Heck man, I love a festival. 432 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: I love a fall festival too, right, Oh my gosh, 433 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: I am I really I really missed the Renaissance Festival 434 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, yeah, that's always a good time. Um yeah, 435 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: I mean Apple festival. One time. We will go. We 436 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: will make it to one somewhere. Yes, sometime, Yes we will. 437 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: It's we we have to. We're obligated. We are obligated 438 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: as as journalists and the most professional food journalists and 439 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: humans that we are. Yes, we must go. We really do. Yeah. 440 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you for for for writing and 441 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: telling us about that. Yes, thanks to both of these listeners. 442 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: If you would like to write to as, you can, 443 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: Our email is Hello at savor pod dot com. We're 444 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: also on social media. 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