Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture. Yes, goodness wow, Lost Culture ding dong,
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Speaker 2: I'm just over here, you know, masticating on my trail mix.
Speaker 2: And we're very happy to have you guys masticate us
Speaker 2: in this bonus episode, just a.
Speaker 3: Little early, I guess, a little bonus episode. There was
Speaker 3: pressing matters that we needed to get into the studio
Speaker 3: to address. One being We just recorded the categories for
Speaker 3: the Lost Culture Raceless Culture Awards this year and those
Speaker 3: will be revealed on May third, May third, this Friday, Friday,
Speaker 3: May third, and publish the season, I guess has truly begun.
Speaker 2: May is published season. The weather's nice. You want to
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Speaker 2: It's actually a real culture number nine. Get your free
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Speaker 3: We are You're never gonna believe it, but giggling and
Speaker 3: tittling away, we think we've really done something this year
Speaker 3: with some of these categories. I mean, I'm thinking of
Speaker 3: one right now, and just thinking of the possibilities in
Speaker 3: flux of campaigning that's going to happen for so many
Speaker 3: But we can't say too much.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's almost too exciting, I would agree. I
Speaker 2: think it's really really thrilling. That Lost culture is I
Speaker 2: don't know, like we're out there.
Speaker 3: We're out there. Lost culture is officially out there. Okay,
Speaker 3: so listen, the true truth, the true true, as was
Speaker 3: said in the movie Cloud out Lists. Did you ever
Speaker 3: see the movie Cloud out Lists?
Speaker 1: Never?
Speaker 3: Did I think you would actually like it in a
Speaker 3: way where like you'd be sort of like throwing your
Speaker 3: hands up and knee slapping. Did you guys know that
Speaker 3: Bowen Yang is a knee slapper. He's a table hitter
Speaker 3: in a n ee slapper, And I really I don't
Speaker 3: like knee slapping. There is something really annoying and I
Speaker 3: really dislike this about myself that I'm a table slapper,
Speaker 3: because if you're at a table with other people, it
Speaker 3: does first of all, it makes so much noise to
Speaker 3: a distracting extent.
Speaker 2: Second of all, like it's so it's it feels like
Speaker 2: such a performance. But I really do slap the table
Speaker 2: because I.
Speaker 1: Do you're enjoying.
Speaker 2: I can see it is like, oh, like, how do
Speaker 2: I get this out of my system?
Speaker 3: Your body experience is so much joy it has to
Speaker 3: come out. And I think what people also don't know
Speaker 3: about you is Bowen Yang's roger.
Speaker 1: His stones are on his palms.
Speaker 3: No, if you ever want to get him on, just
Speaker 3: like Hi, I'm Susan and shake his hand. I'm not
Speaker 3: not that open, not that like oh that, Oh god,
Speaker 3: you ever kept yourself going like that?
Speaker 2: You're ast Oh I never want to see my O face.
Speaker 2: I no one ever, I hope no one ever takes
Speaker 2: a picture or films me.
Speaker 1: You know what, I just.
Speaker 3: Realized the O face I always thought meant orgasm face,
Speaker 3: but literally they mean the fact that you're mouth makes
Speaker 3: the I think it's still Do you think it's multipurpose?
Speaker 3: Do you think it's a thing of like O faces, like, oh,
Speaker 3: like my face is making the face by the way
Speaker 3: we're doing each other in the eyes, and.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's too intimate for us. I think it's I
Speaker 1: think or orgasm face.
Speaker 2: I think it's very apropos of the subject matter that
Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about. One think they are a
Speaker 2: little have the walls of intimacy knockdown.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, you guys. This was the other pressing matter.
Speaker 3: So I feel that, you know, we've been so good
Speaker 3: about the culture and the catching up, like it's always
Speaker 3: been the two of us for the past like several months,
Speaker 3: I feel like, but sometimes it can feel like the
Speaker 3: culture is a little dry and for the next few
Speaker 3: weeks we're gonna have guests, so it's not gonna be
Speaker 3: culture catch up. But we saw the movie Challengers, and
Speaker 3: I was like, no, we have to convene to the
Speaker 3: studio with us. We have to convene. This was maybe
Speaker 3: my favorite movie, my favorite movie ever I've seen. It's
Speaker 3: I went on Thursday and Friday I went again immediately.
Speaker 3: We saw it together on Friday. Can you describe what
Speaker 3: happened at the end, Like with the audience.
Speaker 2: Just sheers, screams please you have to go see this
Speaker 2: in the theater?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you really do.
Speaker 2: And you know what, like it was a chatty crowd,
Speaker 2: especially behind us, there was some chatter going on and
Speaker 2: like all we did this, this person I think literally
Speaker 2: dined out on us, like turning around and respectfully telling
Speaker 2: them just once an hour and a half in in
Speaker 2: the movie to just Hey. All I said was you
Speaker 2: can stop. That's what I said. I said, three words,
Speaker 2: you did. You were very good about it.
Speaker 3: And then I think that she was a little lit
Speaker 3: up from having been that person.
Speaker 2: But honestly, I think that's what is that, that's what
Speaker 2: she was going for. That's what I don't want to get.
Speaker 2: I don't want to give too much airtime to this person.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: She literally went out to animal after the movie, and
Speaker 2: our friend Colin texted, I said, this girl I'm talking
Speaker 2: to is bragging to everybody how you guys yelled at her.
Speaker 2: And I'm I'm like, yeah, because her personality fucking sucks confirmed,
Speaker 2: I mean whatever.
Speaker 3: She was one of the many small characters that popped
Speaker 3: during the experience of watching challenges, even the ones I
Speaker 3: cared about were on screen.
Speaker 2: Even she could not get in the way of my
Speaker 2: experience of loving this movie.
Speaker 3: No, And I think that, like it's been a while
Speaker 3: where the entire audience exploded in shearers at the end
Speaker 3: of a movie. Off by the way, a polarizing ending
Speaker 3: and an ending that makes a huge choice, is all
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I was reading some of like the headlines going into
Speaker 2: the movie, like the ending, the ending, the ending, Like
Speaker 2: all these explainers something like, is this gonna be a confusing,
Speaker 2: confounding ending? And I really I think it's pretty legible. No,
Speaker 2: it's not confusing at all. I think it's just I'm
Speaker 2: gonna actually call it Thelma and Louisa ish in the
Speaker 2: not that extreme. But there's something that happens that you
Speaker 2: just don't see coming and is sort of out of
Speaker 2: left field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it rock. I loved it for me.
Speaker 3: It pays off so much. I saw the cinema score
Speaker 3: as B plus, which now that feels so low. But
Speaker 3: the way that you can kind of gaze is from yes,
Speaker 3: from the ending end, because it's the last thing I
Speaker 3: seen before they're asked, what did you think of the grade?
Speaker 1: Would you give it to me?
Speaker 3: If you love the ending, it's gonna be canon for you,
Speaker 3: And if you hate it, I feel like I can
Speaker 3: understand you being like, no, I wanted it to be
Speaker 3: different just for me, and I'm seeing for you too,
Speaker 3: perfect ending. What a script like this is a tight, bold,
Speaker 3: always interesting, always fun, sexy, sort.
Speaker 2: Of giving timeless script. In many ways, it's very timeless.
Speaker 2: I mean that screenplay, like we talked about it afterwards.
Speaker 2: I love a post movie if you're with your friends,
Speaker 2: a post film sort of salon at a bar, a restaurant.
Speaker 2: I had that with Josh after we saw Parasite for
Speaker 2: the first time. We were like, we need to go
Speaker 2: somewhere and talk about this. Yeah, And like I loved
Speaker 2: that part of the experience, right. I love that we
Speaker 2: all went out like afterwards and we're like, we need
Speaker 2: to discuss this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But like I was telling everybody, I was like I
Speaker 2: in the theater was like, I need to read the screenplay.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was the first thing you said.
Speaker 2: What it ends is specifically the moment when you know
Speaker 2: it kind of like turns into the ending. Basically, it's
Speaker 2: kind of like someone call it an act break. Structurally
Speaker 2: depending on who you ask. The way this whole thing
Speaker 2: is executed is so I mean, that's just Luca and
Speaker 2: Justin Kurtzky is doing it like so perfectly together, like
Speaker 2: a director really respecting and exalting the script.
Speaker 3: And taking the time to really know the script as
Speaker 3: a director, and like it just felt so lived in.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Luca Guada, you know, is the best.
Speaker 3: I mean for me, it's just like, what's so incredible
Speaker 3: about him is he's just so good with character because
Speaker 3: on the page, like I can see these being tough
Speaker 3: characters to play. Zendeia, Josh O'Connor and Mike Feist, the
Speaker 3: three of them are perfect.
Speaker 1: Yes, Zindeia is just smun What even is it?
Speaker 3: It's just like it is an intangible movie star quality
Speaker 3: where I was watching it and I was just so
Speaker 3: happy the whole time. I was like, Wow, here's someone
Speaker 3: who I see everything she does to me. She's like
Speaker 3: going forward the way that I feel about like or
Speaker 3: I'm sure people felt in the beginning about like Sandra
Speaker 3: Bullock like or like a Julia Yes, but different because
Speaker 3: she's not giving the rom com thing. She's giving a
Speaker 3: different vibe. She's just so good. There are so many
Speaker 3: moments in this movie and I don't want to ruin
Speaker 3: anything where you realize just how well she knows this
Speaker 3: person and it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's just it all pays off. It's hot as shit.
Speaker 3: Everyone in the movie is gorgeous, but in a real
Speaker 3: looking way, not in like this like intangible movie star way,
Speaker 3: which is not a nock to them, but everyone feels specific, real,
Speaker 3: lived in like you can laugh the whole time. You
Speaker 3: can also watch it as a drama. It's just it's
Speaker 3: there's so much going on. Yeah, I mean she kind
Speaker 3: of was the draw for me. Well, they said this,
Speaker 3: so they pulled the audience after everyone left, and I said,
Speaker 3: what was the number one reason I was reading this?
Speaker 3: It was a Deadline article about it, and fifty five
Speaker 3: percent said the reason that they saw the movie. The
Speaker 3: primary reason why I saw the movie was Zindya. And
Speaker 3: we left and I was like, people are going to
Speaker 3: talk about this movie. I think this is going to
Speaker 3: be a sleeper summer big one if they decide to
Speaker 3: keep it in theaters, and I know there's already a
Speaker 3: plan for it to go to Amazon Prime. I get
Speaker 3: the appeal of that. You're like, oh, that's a movie
Speaker 3: I can watch on Amazon Prime. Do yourself a favor
Speaker 3: and go to this theater, like have this like particular
Speaker 3: like cathartic experience that happens with the movie theater.
Speaker 1: Like it's also that it almost felt like.
Speaker 3: Watching a horror movie with an audience, and that everyone
Speaker 3: was reacting to every yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: She just she's such a home run and it's so
Speaker 2: interesting to hear her talk about impressed. Like, first of all,
Speaker 2: she's been doing a lot all of it, but in
Speaker 2: these I think she's being very real and vulnerable in
Speaker 2: these moments where she's like, no, I'm very nervous about
Speaker 2: this because this is my first time leading a movie technically, and.
Speaker 1: Like porton roll for her, wow, And I hadn't thought
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I guess between like Spider Man
Speaker 2: and Euphoria, you're like, she has not been number one on.
Speaker 1: The call sheet.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a real movie for a film,
Speaker 3: for a film, Yeah, for Euphoria, that's more of an
Speaker 3: ensemble even Yeah, Euphoria is very ensemble. She's obviously the
Speaker 3: star of it, so she has had that. But this
Speaker 3: is a huge part for her because she has to
Speaker 3: not only be number one on the call sheet and
Speaker 3: sell this movie, but also it's a tough character, tough
Speaker 3: character walk. So much of it is internal. That character
Speaker 3: does not have that much dialogue if you think about it,
Speaker 3: especially that moment in the end where I want to
Speaker 3: like see how it's written on the page, Like all
Speaker 3: three of them have something internal, like I switched flips
Speaker 3: in them. Internally, It's like a tennis match between three
Speaker 3: and three people. It's yeah, and it's actually written that way.
Speaker 3: So I actually did start reading the script. I found
Speaker 3: it Patrick sent it to me house and he sent
Speaker 3: it to me, and it's written actually pretty differently than
Speaker 3: he looks on the screen. Like it's just interesting, Like
Speaker 3: I wonder Luca is obviously just very clear about what
Speaker 3: he wants and like how he sees something, because you
Speaker 3: could read the script and it could kind of read
Speaker 3: and I don't mean this in a bad way, but
Speaker 3: it could kind of read like a total drama or
Speaker 3: what not even that like more of like a comedy,
Speaker 3: like more of like a frilly comedy, like for example,
Speaker 3: like when Zendiya in the very beginning. Okay, so this
Speaker 3: is not a spoiler, but I'm just gonna describe her
Speaker 3: attitude in the very beginning.
Speaker 1: So Zendia plays like this woman who's.
Speaker 3: Like pretty tough, she's pretty brash, Like she delivers information
Speaker 3: like pretty straight up, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 3: I think on the page that could come off a
Speaker 3: little bit like more one dimensional in like a comedy way.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: Where it could be like she just she serves this
Speaker 3: purpose in the script to like be hard and cold
Speaker 3: and the coach and like, yeah, the information she delivers
Speaker 3: could be read as like just solely comedic, but Zendia
Speaker 3: and Luca are giving her so much texture. And in
Speaker 3: the very beginning of the movie she doesn't even have
Speaker 3: a lot of speaking in the beginning, but you know
Speaker 3: exactly who she is. And that's a testament to Luca
Speaker 3: and Zendiya. And I'm telling you, like every character in
Speaker 3: some way is like that. It just could have been
Speaker 3: not as real. Yeah, And that's like one of my
Speaker 3: biggest compliments is that everyone in this movie is super real.
Speaker 3: And I'm not even just talking about the three leads.
Speaker 3: I mean all the small characters are memorable and pop
Speaker 3: because of the detail.
Speaker 2: M hm, you know what I'm saying. It's kind of
Speaker 2: cool what I was thinking about. The writer justin Kurtzky's
Speaker 2: like Selene Song's husband. Yeah, and it's just like he
Speaker 2: is kind of that guy in Past Lives essentially, like
Speaker 2: he has been like there's been a stand in for
Speaker 2: him in one of her movies. That would make you
Speaker 2: kind of like that character is so fascinating in Past
Speaker 2: Lives to me, like the guy she ends up with,
Speaker 2: like the American guy that she ends up that she
Speaker 2: meets like on like a fellowship sort of like, and
Speaker 2: they do the same thing in the movie.
Speaker 1: They do the same thing in the movie. That's how
Speaker 1: I think they met through that.
Speaker 3: I think, well, even if it's not directly that they
Speaker 3: met at like something like that, they do have the
Speaker 3: same profession right right when. And I was wondering if
Speaker 3: that was I'm not sure, I don't recall, but anyway,
Speaker 3: I just love that he like has this film is
Speaker 3: like something that exists, like sort of oh my god,
Speaker 3: that kind of like it speaks to past lives in
Speaker 3: a way to me, Like I'm like, oh, like, the
Speaker 3: guy is this amazingly talented writer in his own right.
Speaker 1: I just found that interesting.
Speaker 3: You know, that is kind of interesting how the movie
Speaker 3: speak to each other. Yeah, past lives and challengers you
Speaker 3: have something in women, two guys, one girl or whatever not.
Speaker 3: You know, I was kind of thinking of it as
Speaker 3: May December coded. No, it's past live coded. Definitely past
Speaker 3: lives coded. But when I was leaving, I was like,
Speaker 3: so that felt like May December to me. And in
Speaker 3: that it's about three characters in this sort of triangular
Speaker 3: relationship and all of them are very morally gray, Yes,
Speaker 3: and I think that there's also like a tug of
Speaker 3: war that's happening here.
Speaker 1: Just really interesting. And I want more movies like that.
Speaker 2: I know, so bad, like those three movies that we
Speaker 2: just talked about, like real drama, real stakes in relationship,
Speaker 2: an interesting character. This is why I'm like, please go
Speaker 2: see this movie in the theater. Please let them know
Speaker 2: that this is something we want more of, because this
Speaker 2: is actually good stuff. Yeah, really good, really compelling. Makes
Speaker 2: you think. I bet people have different reads on all
Speaker 2: these characters at a given time, of course, because that
Speaker 2: screenplay is giving the audience just enough of a question
Speaker 2: mark to like fill in their own lengths and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Trent Reznor Aleicus Ross that come on one of the
Speaker 2: I think that's their best score.
Speaker 1: I made a.
Speaker 3: Summer playlist called Beautiful Blonde, care Free Summa, and I
Speaker 3: immediately added yeah times ten yeah, which is the song
Speaker 3: that plays when Zendeia is introduced as a young tennis pro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, that needs to be on my
Speaker 3: big beautiful summer, big blonde beautiful. It's not big blone
Speaker 3: beautiful summer. I'm not big blonde and beautiful like the
Speaker 3: Harris Price soundtrack.
Speaker 2: Yes, I am big one and beautiful anyway, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: put it on my summer playlist.
Speaker 1: I was like, that is a this whole thing is
Speaker 1: a vibe. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We were just listening to it. Actually, I know I
Speaker 2: was playing, let this be part of the lore for
Speaker 2: Lost Culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When we were putting together the categories, I was playing
Speaker 2: the entirety of the Challengers.
Speaker 1: Yes, and our brains were working.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look I felt very, very activated.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I think it's in describing these three films. I think
Speaker 2: there is something going on in the culture now where
Speaker 2: the triangle is.
Speaker 1: The triangles back to. It's the year of the threesome,
Speaker 1: of the threesome. It's the year.
Speaker 3: Of the weird relationship between three people.
Speaker 1: MM know it.
Speaker 3: No, if anyone out there has instincts, follow them destroy
Speaker 3: your relationship by bringing in a chaotic third.
Speaker 1: Look, we do it now.
Speaker 2: You and I have a little chaotic third in our mits,
Speaker 2: little Studie.
Speaker 1: Green running around.
Speaker 3: Absolute but no, honestly, Like, one thing I really liked
Speaker 3: about it was it was really casual about how these
Speaker 3: two straight quote unquote straight.
Speaker 1: Guys made out. Were like, oh yeah, well they fully
Speaker 1: like I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a spoiler to say it goes
Speaker 3: somewhere between them, because it's just really fun the way
Speaker 3: that they did it, where there was no weird homophobia.
Speaker 1: That wasn't even in the movie.
Speaker 3: It wasn't even in the air it was I never
Speaker 3: thought for one second like, oh, this is gonna be
Speaker 3: weird because they're two guys.
Speaker 2: But it serves a purpose in the characterization and in
Speaker 2: the story. It's like the moment that this thing happens,
Speaker 2: it is purely still center around the other character. Yes,
Speaker 2: it completely speaks to like the way this character like
Speaker 2: sees these two people and like the way she wants
Speaker 2: to manipulate them. It's like so good. It's not gratuitous.
Speaker 2: It's not like, oh God, are we like jerking into
Speaker 2: two guys kissing, Like is that what's going on here?
Speaker 1: No, it's so important.
Speaker 3: I think what's so fucking great about this movie is
Speaker 3: you understand, like when you really think about it afterwards,
Speaker 3: like what Zendaya's character, Tashi Duncan, by the way, great
Speaker 3: fucking name, Tashi Duncan, what her desire is is to
Speaker 3: just watch dynamics. She just like she thrives off watching
Speaker 3: that push and pull between other people, like and she
Speaker 3: likes to be a part of it herself. Like I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's just it's a fascinating character.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the tennis of it all like really works in
Speaker 3: not in a heavy handed way, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: because sometimes it's like, oh, they're dueling over her, like
Speaker 3: it's a tennis match, Like I can see that on paper,
Speaker 3: being like her, But it works so well, like all
Speaker 3: the little micro metaphors in tennis as a thing, like
Speaker 3: the fact that like the script works as this story
Speaker 3: of their life, which honestly, in many ways has been
Speaker 3: a volley back and forth, like at the act breaks,
Speaker 3: like they follow this one tennis match that's happening in
Speaker 3: the present day, and they flash back in different parts
Speaker 3: of time, and the act breaks like always go back
Speaker 3: to the tennis match, and that person who's winning in
Speaker 3: the relationship is winning in the game. Like just fun
Speaker 3: little things like that that work.
Speaker 2: The match point of it is like so perfect, like yeah,
Speaker 2: there's something final to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it.
Speaker 3: Doesn't feel like pat and it feels like thrilling and
Speaker 3: it works and it you know, it's like any really
Speaker 3: good sports movie you're invested. But I mean, any really
Speaker 3: good sports movie is angering that to emotions and to stakes,
Speaker 3: because obviously the stakes are they gonna win and lose,
Speaker 3: but the fact that the relationship stakes are so much
Speaker 3: higher that leads into the ending. It's just it is
Speaker 3: the perfect version of this kind of movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: I do love that Tashi character, like literally loving launching
Speaker 2: the dynamics to the point where she is like has
Speaker 2: the notebook out, watching replay on all the games, taking notes,
Speaker 2: writing down numbers.
Speaker 1: You're like, this is all she cares about.
Speaker 2: It's not just like in the script it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: all she cares about his tennis, but it is actually
Speaker 2: more about the meta game. She cares about the meta game.
Speaker 2: She literally is playing a meta game over the course
Speaker 2: of many, many years.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also just the focus that he keeps on her
Speaker 3: as the lead while also like fully flushing out these
Speaker 3: two other characters. Like there's like I just said, the
Speaker 3: frame of the movie is this one tennis match that's
Speaker 3: happening in the present day of the film, and Zendeia
Speaker 3: has no dialogue. She's just sitting there watching the game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but he as the director and she has the actress
Speaker 3: are so good that you know emotionally where she is
Speaker 3: at in a small way and in a larger way
Speaker 3: the entire higher time, like just the shots, the editing,
Speaker 3: the editing must be like given accolades here, Yes, because
Speaker 3: it is really tense, really fun, really engrossing and you
Speaker 3: don't miss anything. Like the things that are iconic about
Speaker 3: this movie are based in character and script and such
Speaker 3: as the.
Speaker 2: Ball and they're all very intimate. Yes, and it's and
Speaker 2: tennis is kind of an intimate game. I mean not
Speaker 2: kind of it. It literally is an intimate game between
Speaker 2: two people max four or whatever. But like your arenas
Speaker 2: are smaller than like any other sport. But like the
Speaker 2: big moments like let's say, like you know them all
Speaker 2: making out in the hotel room, right, that is small.
Speaker 2: That is a Blood Orange music video literally like Blood
Speaker 2: Orange is playing in the background like diegetically, like playing
Speaker 2: from someone's phone. And so Josh Sharp says, well, that
Speaker 2: song came out in twenty in twenty thirteen, so eighteen
Speaker 2: years later, the movie takes place in the present day
Speaker 2: of twenty thirty one. Oh my god, yeah, he caught
Speaker 2: a little get caught that said, oh, you know, what's
Speaker 2: great about that scene too, like that when they start
Speaker 2: hooking up altogether, is.
Speaker 3: It's literally born out of a conversation that we watch happen.
Speaker 3: It's like, what's so great about that scene is you
Speaker 3: understand why it goes there because they've just had this
Speaker 3: conversation that's really disarming and charming.
Speaker 2: Yes, and sexy, and but she plays that so like
Speaker 2: the genius. She's getting them to say all of these
Speaker 2: really kind of embarrassing things they're sharing. They're sharing stories
Speaker 2: about the first time they've like jerked off and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like she's getting them. She's perfect.
Speaker 2: She has this ferocity where she gets them to like
Speaker 2: spill and then she like the puppet strings are there
Speaker 2: from the beginning.
Speaker 3: Yes, And what is so different about that than other
Speaker 3: things that get sort of like, you know, this reputation
Speaker 3: for being like salacious or like whatever is It's like
Speaker 3: you're not just walking someone walk up to someone in
Speaker 3: a backyard and then.
Speaker 1: Eating their pussy. They're on their period, right, know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: Like you're actually like watching why this unfold and it's believable,
Speaker 3: Like it's not just this stunty thing of like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's fucking a grave not to keep dragging this movie.
Speaker 3: But this is why, this is why the script really matters,
Speaker 3: is because we're seeing it executed in a way that's
Speaker 3: born out of character, and therefore we actually are scandalized
Speaker 3: and actually we can remember this in a real way,
Speaker 3: in a way that can emotionally.
Speaker 1: Work for us.
Speaker 2: Speaking of character, because I've heard you say this and
Speaker 2: I really think around to something talk about how even
Speaker 2: the quote unquote minor characters in this film are so impactful,
Speaker 2: Sean you remember them.
Speaker 1: It's all in the details, all the details.
Speaker 2: It's all the performances, down to the woman who like
Speaker 2: registers Josh O'Connor.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a detail about everyone. Yeah, and this is
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It's like, so in the.
Speaker 2: Very first the gay couple at the hotel, there's a
Speaker 2: gay couple in a hotel who have like a hilarious
Speaker 2: like two line exchange and there's something that like one
Speaker 2: of them the other on the back and the sound editing.
Speaker 3: You really hear the slash, which is so funny to me,
Speaker 3: Like for example, like there's a woman who's checking him
Speaker 3: into the one of the actors, one of the characters
Speaker 3: rather into the tennis tournament, and it's about a million
Speaker 3: other things just besides that transaction that's a guess.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is totally there is.
Speaker 3: So much color and detail and the director doesn't cut
Speaker 3: any of it. I understand sometimes why you just want
Speaker 3: to get to information in movies, like and things should move,
Speaker 3: but information, character and detail matters.
Speaker 1: It's like kind of like why they say, like.
Speaker 3: In a romantic movie, spend time on us watching them
Speaker 3: fall in love, you know what I mean, don't just
Speaker 3: be like they met there in a relationship. Honestly, there's
Speaker 3: movies I could drag that do this, but I won't
Speaker 3: detail matters like relationship matters, like things that you might
Speaker 3: deem as superfluous because they're not quote unquote moving story forward.
Speaker 3: Like we didn't need to watch the woman that worked
Speaker 3: at the hotel struggle with the snack machine.
Speaker 1: What do you call that? Oh yeah, the vending machine.
Speaker 1: Like we didn't need that, but like it did help.
Speaker 3: We watched the interaction and he couldn't get a room,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 3: just little things. The character of the year for me
Speaker 3: is Helen. Helen's a Tinder date that Josh O'Connor goes
Speaker 3: on and.
Speaker 2: It's from the moment you see here on the phone
Speaker 2: screen Haley Gates.
Speaker 3: Haley Gates, we went to college with her. I was
Speaker 3: so shook when I realized it was her.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she was it. I think that's the
Speaker 2: comedy performance of the year.
Speaker 1: We were screaming, laughing. It was just so funny.
Speaker 3: It's so good, this performance of trying to be interesting
Speaker 3: on a tinder date but you're not. Like and also
Speaker 3: like where that scene ultimately goes again, this is another
Speaker 3: character that's in one scene of the movie, maybe seven
Speaker 3: lines of dialogue.
Speaker 2: It's giving Sandra and the Princess diaries. Yes it is,
Speaker 2: say it anyway, like, I mean, what else. The boys
Speaker 2: are fucking amazing. Boys are amazing. Josh O'Connor would have
Speaker 2: won the Melanie Lynsky Award for Best Fake American Accident
Speaker 2: and anything.
Speaker 1: Honestly teamless less. He's so talented, he's so good.
Speaker 3: And Mike Feist I have been officially one over, like
Speaker 3: I fucking loved in West Side Story. Now I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'm on board forever.
Speaker 1: Huh. And also just like how comfortable they were with
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 3: You bought that best friendship from the beginning, and guess what,
Speaker 3: because of the details and because of how much we
Speaker 3: believed it in the beginning, that really helped when the
Speaker 3: relationship got difficult and dark and nonexistent, Like because the
Speaker 3: relationship details really matter, Like it matters how close they
Speaker 3: sit together, it matters them sharing food, It matters like
Speaker 3: how quickly they walk places together, like you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like the way that they sort of match
Speaker 3: each other in energy, like laying back and like watching
Speaker 3: her play tennis at the same time, like the way
Speaker 3: they exist sharing a hotel room. You know, it's just
Speaker 3: so many things that are specific and great that are
Speaker 3: to be loved about this movie.
Speaker 2: And it's so fucking gay without trying, and it's so
Speaker 2: fucking sexy without even really showing one exact sacccene. You
Speaker 2: don't see any sex scenes, you see making out, you
Speaker 2: see like the suggestions of something starting and you see
Speaker 2: that something has ended. You don't see any fucking.
Speaker 1: In this revie.
Speaker 3: And it's still the horniest, hottest movie of the year
Speaker 3: and the gayest something about it's not the gayest movie
Speaker 3: of the year, but it's queer coded and fun in
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 2: We have to shout out Jonathan Anderson fucking slay in
Speaker 2: the costume design. Oh yeah, I told your shirt. Zendeia's look.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's all giving, like Josh's nasty plaid
Speaker 2: shorts during the mask. Well, it's all giving, like slight
Speaker 2: layer of Louive.
Speaker 1: But that's it.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna let Louive dominate this movie, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Right, he's like such a good as sponsor. No,
Speaker 2: but Jonathan Anderson is luave. Oh he's a leave guy.
Speaker 2: Oh he Oh, I don't know that that's his. That's his,
Speaker 2: that's his. Oh perfect, So he fucking he's so. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's like the fashion designer right now, and like for
Speaker 2: him to costume design for this in a way that
Speaker 2: is that respects the medium. It is not like fashion
Speaker 2: overtaking this except for that I told your shirt, which
Speaker 2: is like everyone's gonna wear and I actually please everyone
Speaker 2: wear that shirt.
Speaker 1: I mean they're on the way for us order them.
Speaker 2: The thing that that shirt does in this movie is
Speaker 2: so good that I'm like, I don't care. Everyone should
Speaker 2: wear it. Like it's not a thing where I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh god, like eye roll, like someone's wearing that. But
Speaker 2: it's like, no, this is such a great subtle touch
Speaker 2: in this movie that ends up being like a device.
Speaker 2: But I think like the first time you see it,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, whatever, random like random thing. I'm just
Speaker 2: like just the costumes throughout so damn good. Loved it
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: The score. I need a DJ night of just the challenge.
Speaker 1: Just play the Challenger score. We're bopping our heads.
Speaker 3: I said I would go to I would go to
Speaker 3: these parties if like they played that, like literally.
Speaker 1: Spin challenges. If you want me to be at your event.
Speaker 2: Bactasia should do a Challenger's theme, tie, I should do
Speaker 2: a Challenger's boat like all Queer night Life should do
Speaker 2: something with challengers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get into the conversation too, because we're watching it happen.
Speaker 3: We're watching something yet if something is here, to stay
Speaker 3: with it. Yeah, you know what I mean. Syndeya, she's
Speaker 3: so stunning. Yeah in a way that's just like you
Speaker 3: genuinely could watch her experience anything like I would watch
Speaker 3: her in any type of movie. I would watch her
Speaker 3: like in any type of role. She's just fun to
Speaker 3: watch the scene where she sits down at the tree.
Speaker 3: I don't want to give anything away. It was giving
Speaker 3: like timeless movie Star. Oh yeah, it was giving, like
Speaker 3: and also the way he was lighting her, because remember
Speaker 3: this guy is like if you don't know now you
Speaker 3: know he did call me by your name. He's so
Speaker 3: great at like he just makes a choice that keeps
Speaker 3: the movie stunning and beautiful but also never loses narrative
Speaker 3: and catches a lot you know who I have it
Speaker 3: also a compliment with.
Speaker 1: This andrew On. Oh yeah, like the directors that like
Speaker 1: put you in a pillow. Yeah. The movie that.
Speaker 3: We were in Fire Island, I believe was very elevated
Speaker 3: by the detail and the scope that it picked up
Speaker 3: of the surroundings so that you were always aware of place.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And what I love about this movie so much too
Speaker 2: is how much parking lot and making out there is.
Speaker 2: I love the hotel culture, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like it's got this sense of real place when you
Speaker 2: think about what these people actually must do, which is
Speaker 2: they spend a fuck ton of time at hotels and
Speaker 2: practicing and.
Speaker 3: Like eating out on the road. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like there's just so much like you don't
Speaker 3: even know where these people live. It doesn't matter. Their
Speaker 3: daughter is like an afterthought in a way that's kind.
Speaker 2: Of fine, but in a way where you're also like,
Speaker 2: the daughter is kind of you don't need that daughter
Speaker 2: to be realized anymore than she is in the film
Speaker 2: where it's like she wants to watch Spider Verse, Yes,
Speaker 2: which I thought was also a cute Deeaier.
Speaker 1: I liked it.
Speaker 2: She loves Hotel. I love that detail, Like, yeah, the
Speaker 2: daughter likes she feels safe there. That's what I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: what I mean, Yes, and the mom just kind of
Speaker 2: being around, Like you don't really like the mom's India
Speaker 2: and Tasha don't need to have like a deep revealing conversation.
Speaker 2: It says everything that she is there, that she is
Speaker 2: like part of their lives in that specific way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: where she's just there to a child, we are no problem,
Speaker 2: do you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean? One hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And also I'm realizing now, like because there's a thing
Speaker 3: with the mom where Joshua Connor says to Zendea, your
Speaker 3: mom looks good, and Zendaea goes, I know she does, Patrick,
Speaker 3: and I was just like, that is such an that's
Speaker 3: a great line. It's like, I mean, Zendia has an
Speaker 3: iconic line which is I'm taking such good care of my.
Speaker 1: Little white boys.
Speaker 3: I was like, not only is this movie tight structurally,
Speaker 3: it's really fun of dialogue like things.
Speaker 2: Just it doesn't feel bad. It doesn't feel written. No,
Speaker 2: it doesn't. And I would compliment obviously everyone involved for that.
Speaker 2: But these actors are and I mean this in the
Speaker 2: best sense throwing it away.
Speaker 3: It is it is so lived in and earned. And
Speaker 3: there's long scenes in this movie too, but they don't
Speaker 3: feel long because of the pacing that the score brings
Speaker 3: in and like, I don't know, it's and looking good
Speaker 3: this motion in every scene.
Speaker 2: Not to mention cinematography where I didn't even feel like
Speaker 2: it was that on the nose for the volleys to happen,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? I get it, it's
Speaker 2: a tennis movie, but it's like, but like the camera
Speaker 2: moves are like are so pronounced, but they totally fit
Speaker 2: with what's being said, with what the dynamic is. Look
Speaker 2: in the scene like in the dorm between Joshun's and Deya. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that whole argument that it kind of devolves into,
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, that was perfect, Like, yeah, it came
Speaker 2: in just the right time. It wasn't too indulgent. It
Speaker 2: happened for like a couple seconds where it's clear the
Speaker 2: audience by the way, one shot, by the way, I know,
Speaker 2: I love that, but it's so clear to the audience,
Speaker 2: like what's going on. It met the audience where it's at.
Speaker 2: It doesn't try to like handhold too much. It also
Speaker 2: doesn't try to like be so vaunted in an unreachable
Speaker 2: place that you're like, oh, how do I engage with that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the real crowd pleaser of a movie that
Speaker 2: feels like so artistically lush and chewy or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't need to be like a tennis
Speaker 3: fan to enjoy it either, Like, in fact, if you
Speaker 3: are a tennis fan, that's I guess where one criticism
Speaker 3: I've heard is coming in is like, I guess the
Speaker 3: tennis in the movie is not satisfying tennis people. I
Speaker 3: had one person say to me who plays tennis all
Speaker 3: the time, that zendais form was bothering him. And then
Speaker 3: I had another person who plays tennis all the time
Speaker 3: say that she had the best form, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I wish I want to use that at tennis, because
Speaker 3: that just means one of the people that talk to
Speaker 3: me sucks and if you're listening to this, you might suck.
Speaker 2: Oh. I don't know, someone who's an ex experts should
Speaker 2: weigh in, but yeah, yeah, apparently Josh's form was wild,
Speaker 2: but I thought that worked.
Speaker 1: That totally works with the canter.
Speaker 2: I feel like Zendaya must have through a character filter,
Speaker 2: must have put in the work to make sure that
Speaker 2: Tashi's formally.
Speaker 3: She said on Kelly Clarkson because Kelly was like, did
Speaker 3: y'all become the best test player of all time? Because
Speaker 3: I was watching this, like y'all can really play tennis,
Speaker 3: and Zendia was like, I wish I could say I
Speaker 3: was even adept at tennis, but apparently Ci, yeah, there
Speaker 3: was never a real ball, and she was like, I
Speaker 3: just looked at it like dance training. But what I
Speaker 3: had heard was that Zendaia's forearm is is that it
Speaker 3: comes from under too much, and that it's like she
Speaker 3: needs to be on top of the ball a little
Speaker 3: bit more. Is what one person said to me. But again,
Speaker 3: that person could be one of tennis's worst players.
Speaker 2: Oh stop, But also, Zendia is working with some live limbs.
Speaker 1: Live would be one word, and so of.
Speaker 2: Course it's gonna look a little a little gangly isn't
Speaker 2: the right word, but you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: she's got the longest arms and legs ever.
Speaker 3: Lithe would be one word to describe Somedia. It's actually
Speaker 3: a really coloch number one hundred. Live would be one way,
Speaker 3: one word to describe the day. So I'm feeling like maybe
Speaker 3: it's pronounced that way, and so it kind of.
Speaker 1: Like limb shoes Winso.
Speaker 3: Take a queen, it's your film. I can't wait for
Speaker 3: that part of the movie. I really I sing it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I just literally gagged for a second.
Speaker 1: I was just like, WHOA.
Speaker 3: I do have a fantasy that, like the movie pivots
Speaker 3: to your perspective and that you are the lead.
Speaker 2: I think there is a Rosencranson, Gilden Sterner and Dead
Speaker 2: sequel potential to Wicked where it's just there is it's
Speaker 2: Fanny and Chuenchin sort of being like out in os
Speaker 2: like when no, oh, this is the idea. It's Fanny
Speaker 2: and Tension. Once Dorothy comes to Oz, like, everyone's like
Speaker 2: a twitter, like, oh my god, this bitch just landed,
Speaker 2: like she's I heard she's fears this bitch just and
Speaker 2: it's like me and Shenshin. It's Fanny and Tenson just
Speaker 2: like trying to look for Dorothy while she's and then
Speaker 2: once they get to the Emerald City.
Speaker 1: She's gone.
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's kind of like a waiting for you Goodjoe,
Speaker 2: except we're like chasing after it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, that's really good. That's not bad, right, Oh, it's
Speaker 3: actually art. Thank you much of what you just said
Speaker 3: pretty much all the time. Wow, oh you know what?
Speaker 3: We didn't do what? And we can do this for
Speaker 3: the end of this episode, because how much more do
Speaker 3: we have to say? I mean, everyone needs to go
Speaker 3: see everyone needs to see it. Just go if you
Speaker 3: haven't gone already. And also not for nothing, be like
Speaker 3: me and go a second time because it's just as
Speaker 3: good as time.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see it again. Bring your friend
Speaker 3: that you love to watch react to stuff. You know
Speaker 3: how oftentimes you have that like favorite person that you
Speaker 3: love to see laugh first, or like react to something first,
Speaker 3: or like that. Bring that person that you're excited about
Speaker 3: seeing it to this movie period.
Speaker 1: That's a great bit of advice. Yeah, because this is
Speaker 1: this is one of those movies that you like feel okay.
Speaker 3: So one thing we could do, because we forgot to do,
Speaker 3: is pick out a new year for the next oh, excavation.
Speaker 3: We don't have the bucket. But what we could do
Speaker 3: is we could okay, random number generator, random number generator.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, this doesn't app for everything. Minimum, So the
Speaker 3: minimum is it was okay, so let's just say nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy five to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: No, let's do nineteen seventy three to twenty twenty three. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: that's okay, all right, generate ready, generate. Here we go,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine. This is our first year that we've done.
Speaker 2: That is before us being born.
Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy Okay, so we're about to do some research.
Speaker 2: This could be really fun for everybody in the class. Becca,
Speaker 2: if there's time, could you make it just a little
Speaker 2: a sour or starter of a document for us? Thank
Speaker 2: you so much? Wow now, and then and then from
Speaker 2: there we can disorder.
Speaker 3: It's because bowen Yang is going to be very busy
Speaker 3: May and June, and he forgets I'm not well.
Speaker 2: No. I also respect your time and that you would
Speaker 2: want to use your time the way you want to
Speaker 2: use it.
Speaker 1: And you've had a very busy winter.
Speaker 3: And can I say when I say this stuff about
Speaker 3: myself is bit about Bowen Yang being the busiest woman
Speaker 3: in Hollywood and me like getting a tan. I am
Speaker 3: just I'm not dragging my but the audience. But the
Speaker 3: audience hears it and things, oh well, well, they they
Speaker 3: must either think, oh ha, he's being funny, or like, lol,
Speaker 3: I wish he wouldn't do that. That's what he's being
Speaker 3: mean to himself, or they think flop fag.
Speaker 2: We hate Matt Rogers. He's so annoying. I don't understand.
Speaker 2: I don't want you to ever let that listen.
Speaker 1: I completely respect all camps.
Speaker 3: I don't completely respect all camps, but I completely acknowledge
Speaker 3: that knowledge camp. Where I'm telling you you should be
Speaker 3: is probably somewhere in between the business.
Speaker 1: Are you worried about me?
Speaker 2: Always?
Speaker 1: But I'm fine. Anything else to say about Challenges, No,
Speaker 1: I think it was the greatest film I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, between Challengers in May December and past Las, we
Speaker 3: just said that's a trifecta that should be studying.
Speaker 1: The trifector have triangles.
Speaker 3: I really like that, and I would actually I would
Speaker 3: like to teach the college course.
Speaker 1: Oh, I would like to.
Speaker 3: Teach a cultural and also on those three movies and
Speaker 3: how they speak to each other, because you know what
Speaker 3: gets unwieldy is if it's I'm literally doing a movie
Speaker 3: that's this though, but it's of two couples, like Who's
Speaker 3: Afraid of Virginia?
Speaker 2: Wolf gets a little like I even though that is
Speaker 2: like one of the great plays in great films, like
Speaker 2: four is a little like it's tough to manage four? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Three is that ooh person? Is that beautiful? Three?
Speaker 1: Is that good? Good? Number?
Speaker 3: Three is really one of the numbers that but you
Speaker 3: get to first when you start counting. Yes, if you
Speaker 3: think about that one, two, three, you are already there.
Speaker 1: You don't have to go far. Give it a couple numbers,
Speaker 1: you'll get to three. You'll get there. Stick with it,
Speaker 1: stick with it.
Speaker 2: But you know that's why Brittany didn't call her song
Speaker 2: four and Beyonce called it four, but for different reasons,
Speaker 2: Brittany called it three.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, I do want to say.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite parts of the Renaissance Tour was
Speaker 2: in the in the section where the theme is wedding.
Speaker 2: As Matt Waker likes to say yeah before she sings
Speaker 2: love on Top, or before she sings rather Die Young
Speaker 2: or something. She just goes, y'all want to hear something
Speaker 2: off my album four, and that's I love I love it.
Speaker 2: I love hearing her say four.
Speaker 1: I think it's her favorite.
Speaker 2: At one of the shows, I could have sworn watching video,
Speaker 2: I hear her say my favorite album four, and that
Speaker 2: was really shocking. But maybe this has not actually been
Speaker 2: documented and confirmed.
Speaker 3: Well back in the day when she was like promoing
Speaker 3: for she performed One plus one on American Idol and
Speaker 3: she introduced it like this, this is my favorite song
Speaker 3: one plus one. She said that, So I don't know
Speaker 3: if one one one is still her favorite song. It's
Speaker 3: up there, though. I love one plus one, love one
Speaker 3: plus one. I'll never forget seeing one plus one's.
Speaker 1: Cardis Show worlds her well.
Speaker 3: Then end in Renaissance World tour was amazing. But I
Speaker 3: saw it at the Roseland Ballroom when she was pregnant
Speaker 3: and no one knew and Jay was there and she
Speaker 3: was sitting on the piano and it was a really
Speaker 3: small audience and she ripped it apart vocally, emotionally, just woo.
Speaker 3: We had every episode with a song. Oh no, I
Speaker 3: don't think it's Honey Out a bonus episode.
Speaker 1: You're a ring on it, I'm won a ring on.
Speaker 1: We didn't even do the dance.
Speaker 2: It's okay.
Speaker 1: It's first and foremost of the song Bye,