1 00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:09,506 Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership 2 00:00:09,706 --> 00:00:17,826 Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. Art is a brand new edition 3 00:00:17,986 --> 00:00:21,506 Speaker 1: of the NFL Explained podcast. Mike Yam and it's my guy, 4 00:00:21,706 --> 00:00:23,746 Speaker 1: m Rob. I miss you, man. We've had a good 5 00:00:23,746 --> 00:00:25,906 Speaker 1: flow going. You're usually in the studio with me and 6 00:00:25,906 --> 00:00:27,906 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you're at home. Now we're 7 00:00:27,946 --> 00:00:31,346 Speaker 1: going virtual on this. Yeah, we're going virtual on this one, Yams. 8 00:00:31,346 --> 00:00:33,146 Speaker 1: But it's all good, man. I had to do some 9 00:00:33,186 --> 00:00:35,546 Speaker 1: stuff with the kids, throw the football around, take some 10 00:00:35,546 --> 00:00:37,786 Speaker 1: field trips. I'll be back in the studio here pretty soon. 11 00:00:37,906 --> 00:00:40,106 Speaker 1: So I know. People were actually wondering if the field 12 00:00:40,106 --> 00:00:44,666 Speaker 1: trip included a ride to the Selfie Museum. Yeah or nay, no, 13 00:00:45,266 --> 00:00:47,826 Speaker 1: not the Selfie Museum, not quite yet. But I may 14 00:00:48,106 --> 00:00:49,826 Speaker 1: go there before I get on the flight to come 15 00:00:49,866 --> 00:00:51,826 Speaker 1: out there, which is good and it kind of leads 16 00:00:51,866 --> 00:00:54,306 Speaker 1: me down a path of what this episode is. When 17 00:00:54,306 --> 00:00:56,466 Speaker 1: I dropped the selfie museum right because we all have 18 00:00:56,506 --> 00:00:59,946 Speaker 1: our phones were attached to technology. I know everyone right 19 00:00:59,946 --> 00:01:02,066 Speaker 1: now who's listening to this podcast, like, think about this, 20 00:01:02,186 --> 00:01:03,986 Speaker 1: m Rob. You and I are old enough and I 21 00:01:04,026 --> 00:01:05,306 Speaker 1: like being able to say this. It was like it's 22 00:01:05,346 --> 00:01:07,546 Speaker 1: the old school of Vetera. You and I are holding 23 00:01:07,546 --> 00:01:09,426 Speaker 1: a back at my day we had a walkman and 24 00:01:09,466 --> 00:01:11,506 Speaker 1: the whole thing. But think about us, like people are 25 00:01:11,546 --> 00:01:15,146 Speaker 1: consuming our show on podcasts or even now on YouTube 26 00:01:15,266 --> 00:01:16,946 Speaker 1: and they get to go and see us with makeup 27 00:01:16,946 --> 00:01:19,586 Speaker 1: on and the whole thing. Yes, let's bring it. But 28 00:01:19,866 --> 00:01:21,666 Speaker 1: do you do you get that vibe that like we're 29 00:01:21,666 --> 00:01:24,426 Speaker 1: almost too attached now to technology and maybe the game 30 00:01:24,586 --> 00:01:27,826 Speaker 1: might be a little too attached to the tech. Well 31 00:01:28,626 --> 00:01:31,986 Speaker 1: a quick answer, yes, I believe society is attached to 32 00:01:32,466 --> 00:01:35,746 Speaker 1: technology a little too much. Just go walk through what 33 00:01:35,866 --> 00:01:39,306 Speaker 1: we used to call malls, middles, things that shopping centers 34 00:01:39,346 --> 00:01:45,706 Speaker 1: and stuff stuff. Absolutely, you go to a mall and 35 00:01:45,746 --> 00:01:48,306 Speaker 1: now everybody's looking at their phone, everybody's looking down. You 36 00:01:48,346 --> 00:01:50,306 Speaker 1: go to a school where a bunch of kids are 37 00:01:50,306 --> 00:01:53,266 Speaker 1: everybody's looking down. So I would say, yes, we are 38 00:01:53,306 --> 00:01:56,506 Speaker 1: a lot more attached to a technology today than we've 39 00:01:56,506 --> 00:01:58,786 Speaker 1: ever been in human times. Okay, so I'm gonna throw 40 00:01:58,866 --> 00:02:00,786 Speaker 1: this year way. Some people are listening to this podcast, like, 41 00:02:00,826 --> 00:02:03,226 Speaker 1: what's this technology in this NFL deal? All right, now 42 00:02:03,226 --> 00:02:05,466 Speaker 1: it's about to make sense for you today we are 43 00:02:05,546 --> 00:02:09,466 Speaker 1: all all about technology in the NFL. On a specific subject, 44 00:02:09,546 --> 00:02:11,666 Speaker 1: something that we're all used to seeing. We see it 45 00:02:11,706 --> 00:02:14,426 Speaker 1: every single Sunday, every Thursday, every Monday. And you know 46 00:02:14,466 --> 00:02:17,746 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. It's all about instant replay, camera 47 00:02:17,786 --> 00:02:21,266 Speaker 1: angles all over people and fans talking about officials not 48 00:02:21,306 --> 00:02:23,546 Speaker 1: knowing what they're doing. Look at the end of the day, 49 00:02:23,546 --> 00:02:25,946 Speaker 1: and I should preface everything that I'm about to say 50 00:02:25,986 --> 00:02:30,306 Speaker 1: with legitimately, m rob, are there calls that are missed? Yes? 51 00:02:31,066 --> 00:02:33,906 Speaker 1: Are the officials do? They do an absolutely incredible job 52 00:02:33,946 --> 00:02:36,346 Speaker 1: in real time? There is no doubt in my mind 53 00:02:36,386 --> 00:02:38,546 Speaker 1: there's some of the best officials that we have in 54 00:02:38,626 --> 00:02:42,386 Speaker 1: professional sport across the board. We get to be armchair 55 00:02:42,466 --> 00:02:45,786 Speaker 1: quarterback in the moment because we're at home watching TV 56 00:02:46,226 --> 00:02:49,146 Speaker 1: seeing everything in slow mode, frame by frame. Can you 57 00:02:49,186 --> 00:02:52,346 Speaker 1: imagine having to make some of these decisions like this, No, 58 00:02:53,546 --> 00:02:57,626 Speaker 1: not having it. It's tough, man, it really is. Yes, 59 00:02:58,066 --> 00:03:01,026 Speaker 1: it is tough. I don't know how they do it, 60 00:03:01,226 --> 00:03:02,826 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, they're paid to 61 00:03:02,866 --> 00:03:05,466 Speaker 1: do it, So I'm not gonna let the referees off 62 00:03:05,506 --> 00:03:07,946 Speaker 1: through too much. But bro, it was two times in 63 00:03:07,986 --> 00:03:10,106 Speaker 1: my career in the National Football League. I have some 64 00:03:10,186 --> 00:03:13,026 Speaker 1: times in college I e Penn State, Michigan, one second 65 00:03:13,106 --> 00:03:15,466 Speaker 1: left on the clock. All Mike rob fans, you know 66 00:03:15,506 --> 00:03:17,266 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about there, But I think it was 67 00:03:17,266 --> 00:03:19,866 Speaker 1: two thousand nine. Brett Farve, he was playing for the 68 00:03:19,906 --> 00:03:24,426 Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. Into the game last play, like a fifty 69 00:03:24,706 --> 00:03:27,066 Speaker 1: or pass or something like that. Brett Farve kind of 70 00:03:27,106 --> 00:03:29,306 Speaker 1: scrambled around and threw a bullet to the back of 71 00:03:29,346 --> 00:03:31,866 Speaker 1: the end zone to a dude that wasn't even on 72 00:03:32,026 --> 00:03:35,626 Speaker 1: the team that week. Greg Lewis, Okay, this dude was 73 00:03:35,706 --> 00:03:37,586 Speaker 1: like just chilling on the couch and where they brought 74 00:03:37,626 --> 00:03:39,946 Speaker 1: him in and then he ended up catching the game 75 00:03:39,946 --> 00:03:41,426 Speaker 1: when it passed the back of the end zone. And 76 00:03:41,466 --> 00:03:44,186 Speaker 1: then one of the ones that everybody knows in twelve 77 00:03:44,266 --> 00:03:46,666 Speaker 1: to fail. I'm not gonna say it's a fail Mary. 78 00:03:46,786 --> 00:03:49,426 Speaker 1: It was a hell Mary that worked go to take 79 00:03:49,506 --> 00:03:52,386 Speaker 1: card it over, like three or four Green Bay Packers 80 00:03:52,426 --> 00:03:55,106 Speaker 1: players made It was awesome. It was so dope. We 81 00:03:55,106 --> 00:03:58,426 Speaker 1: had the replacement rests that that particular game, and I 82 00:03:58,506 --> 00:04:00,946 Speaker 1: remember seeing one. I remember being on the sideline because 83 00:04:00,946 --> 00:04:04,106 Speaker 1: it was base personnel, so base personnel, I would fullback 84 00:04:04,106 --> 00:04:05,386 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been in the game. In the end of 85 00:04:05,426 --> 00:04:09,026 Speaker 1: the game, situations. But I remember one ref putting his 86 00:04:09,106 --> 00:04:11,866 Speaker 1: hands up as a touchdown and the other ref just 87 00:04:12,146 --> 00:04:15,226 Speaker 1: waving his hands like this, and I just said, you 88 00:04:15,266 --> 00:04:18,266 Speaker 1: know what, sprint to the end zone, get Golden up, 89 00:04:18,546 --> 00:04:20,866 Speaker 1: get him up out of here before they change their mind. 90 00:04:21,066 --> 00:04:23,586 Speaker 1: We won the game. It's pretty cool. It was awesome. 91 00:04:23,626 --> 00:04:25,866 Speaker 1: I actually have heard a lot of stories one of 92 00:04:25,906 --> 00:04:27,986 Speaker 1: your teammates, Evan Moore, and I know I brought him 93 00:04:28,026 --> 00:04:29,346 Speaker 1: up a couple of times. It's a good bunny of 94 00:04:29,386 --> 00:04:31,586 Speaker 1: mine was on your one of your teammates. At that point. 95 00:04:31,946 --> 00:04:34,586 Speaker 1: He actually gave me some intel that we used last 96 00:04:34,586 --> 00:04:37,626 Speaker 1: season on this podcast. It was all about Hail Mary's. 97 00:04:37,946 --> 00:04:39,666 Speaker 1: So I do encourage some of our fans maybe to 98 00:04:39,706 --> 00:04:42,946 Speaker 1: check out that episode going through the inner workings. Remind 99 00:04:42,986 --> 00:04:44,186 Speaker 1: me when you're back in the studio, I got a 100 00:04:44,266 --> 00:04:46,026 Speaker 1: question to ask you about that one. But the point is, 101 00:04:46,066 --> 00:04:48,426 Speaker 1: at least on this episode, when it comes down to 102 00:04:48,586 --> 00:04:51,626 Speaker 1: instant replay, we're gonna go through the historical timeline. We're 103 00:04:51,626 --> 00:04:53,506 Speaker 1: gonna give you some stats will tell you what we 104 00:04:53,586 --> 00:04:55,746 Speaker 1: think is about to come. But I do think it's 105 00:04:55,746 --> 00:04:58,106 Speaker 1: important to start at the beginning here ninety six. The 106 00:04:58,146 --> 00:05:01,946 Speaker 1: origin of this NFL director of Officiating, that's Art McNally, 107 00:05:02,346 --> 00:05:05,586 Speaker 1: first experimented with instant replay by bringing a video camera 108 00:05:05,786 --> 00:05:08,386 Speaker 1: to stop watch to a Dallas Buffalo game on Monday 109 00:05:08,466 --> 00:05:11,186 Speaker 1: Night football, trying to figure out how long a review 110 00:05:11,266 --> 00:05:13,266 Speaker 1: would actually delay the game, because I know this is 111 00:05:13,306 --> 00:05:15,426 Speaker 1: a big critique for people, right like you got, oh, 112 00:05:15,426 --> 00:05:17,506 Speaker 1: it's gonna extend the game and the whole deal, Like 113 00:05:17,586 --> 00:05:19,186 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we're going to the 114 00:05:19,226 --> 00:05:21,106 Speaker 1: timeline and how it might not be as big a 115 00:05:21,106 --> 00:05:23,626 Speaker 1: factor as you think. He saw a miss call though 116 00:05:23,666 --> 00:05:25,906 Speaker 1: on to play with O. J. Simpson that would have 117 00:05:25,906 --> 00:05:28,506 Speaker 1: been corrected with a replay review, and he thought it 118 00:05:28,546 --> 00:05:31,986 Speaker 1: could benefit the NFL. Nineteen seventy eight, two years later, 119 00:05:32,026 --> 00:05:35,906 Speaker 1: the NFL actually tested instant replay during seven preseason games 120 00:05:35,946 --> 00:05:40,306 Speaker 1: broadcasted on National TV, beginning with the Philadelphia Miami Hall 121 00:05:40,346 --> 00:05:43,306 Speaker 1: of Fame game, but overall the performance of the camera 122 00:05:43,346 --> 00:05:45,986 Speaker 1: system and the cost to install a little prohibitive, so 123 00:05:46,026 --> 00:05:48,826 Speaker 1: they actually tabled everything for a few more years. Taking 124 00:05:48,906 --> 00:05:52,706 Speaker 1: the nineteen technology actually improved so much that the owner's 125 00:05:52,786 --> 00:05:56,506 Speaker 1: voted four and one to add instant replay in a 126 00:05:56,586 --> 00:06:00,746 Speaker 1: limited capacity for the eighties. Six season replay officials sat 127 00:06:00,746 --> 00:06:03,546 Speaker 1: in a booth with get this to VCRs if you 128 00:06:03,586 --> 00:06:07,906 Speaker 1: don't know what Yes, VCRs dude, what happened to us? Man? 129 00:06:07,946 --> 00:06:10,626 Speaker 1: We used to be young, right, Like I'm actually saying, 130 00:06:10,666 --> 00:06:13,786 Speaker 1: like there, I know that there's people like what's the VCR. Yes, 131 00:06:13,826 --> 00:06:16,946 Speaker 1: there are. I remember I used to have to record 132 00:06:17,186 --> 00:06:19,986 Speaker 1: young and Restless in the general hospital from my grandmother 133 00:06:19,986 --> 00:06:24,466 Speaker 1: when I was for your grandmother. Okay, yeah, sure, sure 134 00:06:24,466 --> 00:06:26,786 Speaker 1: if you say so. Um to think about that, like 135 00:06:26,866 --> 00:06:29,186 Speaker 1: when you had to like make a mixtape, remember that 136 00:06:29,226 --> 00:06:30,826 Speaker 1: you had to like hit plane record at the same 137 00:06:30,866 --> 00:06:33,426 Speaker 1: time playing the like it's the whole thing. But the 138 00:06:33,466 --> 00:06:36,386 Speaker 1: replay officials they had two VCRs there so they could 139 00:06:36,426 --> 00:06:39,946 Speaker 1: record and watch back plays. In that first season, there 140 00:06:39,946 --> 00:06:42,546 Speaker 1: were one point six reviews per game, with only ten 141 00:06:42,706 --> 00:06:46,146 Speaker 1: percent of the plays overturned. In just the third play 142 00:06:46,186 --> 00:06:53,306 Speaker 1: from scrimmage in six we actually got this right touchdown. 143 00:06:53,786 --> 00:06:56,346 Speaker 1: So the use of the instant replay on the third 144 00:06:56,466 --> 00:07:00,426 Speaker 1: play from scrimmage and the new year already the new 145 00:07:00,506 --> 00:07:03,506 Speaker 1: rule of the National Football leg you so by instant 146 00:07:03,546 --> 00:07:07,386 Speaker 1: replay official has given the Browns that touchdown on an 147 00:07:07,386 --> 00:07:12,826 Speaker 1: otherwise very confusing play. VCRs man, VCRs dude, it's like 148 00:07:13,066 --> 00:07:16,786 Speaker 1: tracks for us, you know what I mean? Like? Okay, 149 00:07:16,866 --> 00:07:20,506 Speaker 1: So despite that m ROB in n replay was actually 150 00:07:20,586 --> 00:07:23,226 Speaker 1: shelved by the league over concerns that it wasn't efficient 151 00:07:23,346 --> 00:07:26,666 Speaker 1: enough and that nine of the ninety overturned calls were 152 00:07:26,666 --> 00:07:30,426 Speaker 1: in fact incorrect. We then have to fast forward our VCR. 153 00:07:31,106 --> 00:07:36,386 Speaker 1: What the new system actually addressed, issues like delays penalizing 154 00:07:36,386 --> 00:07:39,506 Speaker 1: coaches with the charge time out on an incorrect challenge. 155 00:07:39,826 --> 00:07:42,346 Speaker 1: It clearly worked well because in two thousands, seven teams 156 00:07:42,386 --> 00:07:46,906 Speaker 1: voted thirty to two to keep instant replay permanently. Now, 157 00:07:47,026 --> 00:07:50,346 Speaker 1: that same year, team spent three hundred k a piece 158 00:07:50,386 --> 00:07:53,986 Speaker 1: to install high definition replay systems that were five times sharper. 159 00:07:55,186 --> 00:07:57,666 Speaker 1: The league designated a hub in New York where senior 160 00:07:57,666 --> 00:08:01,906 Speaker 1: officiating members could be in contact with officials on game day, 161 00:08:01,986 --> 00:08:04,866 Speaker 1: and then three years later, all game day decisions would 162 00:08:04,866 --> 00:08:07,906 Speaker 1: be made by dead CATD officials at Art McNally game 163 00:08:08,026 --> 00:08:10,386 Speaker 1: Day Central in New York and ROB. So there's an 164 00:08:10,386 --> 00:08:13,706 Speaker 1: evolution that's here that we're seeing through instant replay, how 165 00:08:13,746 --> 00:08:17,266 Speaker 1: it's installed. In your mind, is there something that could 166 00:08:17,266 --> 00:08:19,786 Speaker 1: be improved upon? When you watch these games and you 167 00:08:19,826 --> 00:08:22,026 Speaker 1: see what these three play officials are doing. I think 168 00:08:22,106 --> 00:08:25,746 Speaker 1: just having a sky judge, just having somebody that can 169 00:08:25,786 --> 00:08:30,066 Speaker 1: see egregious calls, can see things obviously missed obviously to 170 00:08:30,186 --> 00:08:32,306 Speaker 1: have something to do with the success of the play. 171 00:08:32,466 --> 00:08:34,266 Speaker 1: Just a sky just to be up there, just to 172 00:08:34,346 --> 00:08:36,826 Speaker 1: kind of have the referees back, to have the officials 173 00:08:36,826 --> 00:08:39,026 Speaker 1: on the fields back right if they miss something that 174 00:08:39,146 --> 00:08:40,866 Speaker 1: has something to do with the play, that sky just 175 00:08:41,106 --> 00:08:43,746 Speaker 1: can buzz in and be able to interrupt and be 176 00:08:43,786 --> 00:08:45,146 Speaker 1: able to get it right. Because at the end of 177 00:08:45,146 --> 00:08:46,906 Speaker 1: the day, we all want it right. I don't care 178 00:08:46,906 --> 00:08:48,746 Speaker 1: if you're on the side of the car where it 179 00:08:48,826 --> 00:08:50,626 Speaker 1: benefits you or you're on the side of the car 180 00:08:50,706 --> 00:08:53,546 Speaker 1: where it doesn't benefit you. Everybody wants to get the 181 00:08:53,546 --> 00:08:56,186 Speaker 1: call right. In this past spring, I was with the USFL. 182 00:08:56,306 --> 00:08:58,906 Speaker 1: I did some some of those Spring games, and it 183 00:08:59,026 --> 00:09:02,346 Speaker 1: was just interesting to hear the back and forth between 184 00:09:02,586 --> 00:09:05,626 Speaker 1: the referees right that their microphones were always open. As 185 00:09:05,666 --> 00:09:08,306 Speaker 1: a broadcaster and as a viewer, you're able to hear 186 00:09:08,746 --> 00:09:11,866 Speaker 1: kind of their thought processes and what they're going through right, 187 00:09:11,866 --> 00:09:14,146 Speaker 1: and even the reviewable plays Like it was just cool 188 00:09:14,186 --> 00:09:16,866 Speaker 1: to just hear that. First of all, their job isn't easy, 189 00:09:17,186 --> 00:09:19,506 Speaker 1: not at all, like the way that the speed at 190 00:09:19,506 --> 00:09:22,706 Speaker 1: which this game moves. Obviously, we're all fans of the 191 00:09:22,746 --> 00:09:25,986 Speaker 1: game too, so to stop yourself from watching the game 192 00:09:26,066 --> 00:09:28,786 Speaker 1: from an entertainment standpoint and watching the game from a 193 00:09:28,826 --> 00:09:32,146 Speaker 1: standpoint of actually officiating it is a very difficult thing 194 00:09:32,146 --> 00:09:33,506 Speaker 1: to do. Just talking to some of the rest of 195 00:09:33,506 --> 00:09:35,586 Speaker 1: that I talked to down they're being able to officiate 196 00:09:35,706 --> 00:09:37,906 Speaker 1: that game. But I think having a sky judge and 197 00:09:37,946 --> 00:09:41,666 Speaker 1: maybe having just audio opens that we are actively listening 198 00:09:41,906 --> 00:09:44,466 Speaker 1: to how our referees come to their conclusions. Yeah, I know. 199 00:09:44,626 --> 00:09:46,946 Speaker 1: I think that transparency is huge and it could be 200 00:09:46,986 --> 00:09:50,306 Speaker 1: really beneficial for fans who are very quick to point 201 00:09:50,386 --> 00:09:52,866 Speaker 1: to mistakes and feel like, no, no, how do you 202 00:09:52,906 --> 00:09:54,626 Speaker 1: mess that thing up? Like it's not that easy, And 203 00:09:54,666 --> 00:09:57,146 Speaker 1: dudes aren't just sitting back, you know, watching the games 204 00:09:57,186 --> 00:09:58,866 Speaker 1: like we do on our couch right like it is. 205 00:09:59,186 --> 00:10:01,826 Speaker 1: It is a very different vibe for a lot of 206 00:10:01,906 --> 00:10:04,346 Speaker 1: these games that I don't think people really think about 207 00:10:04,386 --> 00:10:07,066 Speaker 1: too much. But it is really important to explain at 208 00:10:07,106 --> 00:10:10,266 Speaker 1: least the exact process once replay and rob is actually 209 00:10:10,266 --> 00:10:13,186 Speaker 1: triggered in a game. So I mentioned the Art McNally 210 00:10:13,386 --> 00:10:17,306 Speaker 1: game Day Central location. They use brand new technology. It's 211 00:10:17,306 --> 00:10:19,826 Speaker 1: a new system and it was installed last year. It's 212 00:10:19,826 --> 00:10:24,186 Speaker 1: called Hawk Eyes Smart System. The Smart is an acronym 213 00:10:24,266 --> 00:10:33,866 Speaker 1: synchronized multi angle replay technology five times fast. It's no joke. 214 00:10:34,306 --> 00:10:38,626 Speaker 1: So they use the Hawkeyes Smart system to isolate the 215 00:10:38,666 --> 00:10:42,386 Speaker 1: best possible angles for a broadcast. The officials at the 216 00:10:42,386 --> 00:10:45,346 Speaker 1: game day Central location they communicate with the stadium replay 217 00:10:45,346 --> 00:10:48,186 Speaker 1: booth as well, and then after talking with other officials 218 00:10:48,186 --> 00:10:50,386 Speaker 1: on the field and the coaches, the head referee is 219 00:10:50,426 --> 00:10:52,626 Speaker 1: given a and we've seen a lot of these on 220 00:10:52,626 --> 00:10:56,266 Speaker 1: the sideline the Microsoft surface to review the play. At 221 00:10:56,306 --> 00:10:59,866 Speaker 1: that point, he communicates with senior designated members at the 222 00:10:59,866 --> 00:11:03,466 Speaker 1: game day Central location that Art McNally spot who makes 223 00:11:03,506 --> 00:11:07,466 Speaker 1: the final decision on review. So it's really multilayered approach, Emrod, 224 00:11:07,506 --> 00:11:09,586 Speaker 1: that you've made reference to. It can feel like forever 225 00:11:09,946 --> 00:11:12,946 Speaker 1: for a lot of fans, but the process is actually 226 00:11:13,186 --> 00:11:16,826 Speaker 1: really streamline. What I find fascinating and this we don't 227 00:11:16,826 --> 00:11:18,866 Speaker 1: talk nearly enough about this. I see this in every 228 00:11:18,866 --> 00:11:21,786 Speaker 1: single sport, em Rod. You're on the football field, reviews happening, 229 00:11:21,786 --> 00:11:24,546 Speaker 1: Officials are you know, gathered, there's players kind of huddled 230 00:11:24,546 --> 00:11:27,746 Speaker 1: around these dudes and at little little chirping back and forth. 231 00:11:27,946 --> 00:11:31,706 Speaker 1: What's actually being said in those moments, Like what's that vibe, Blake? Well, 232 00:11:31,746 --> 00:11:34,586 Speaker 1: first of all, it's one of those vibes where you're like, 233 00:11:34,746 --> 00:11:37,666 Speaker 1: do there's First of all, there's no way you threw 234 00:11:37,706 --> 00:11:39,986 Speaker 1: that flag on me, No way you threw that flag 235 00:11:40,066 --> 00:11:42,426 Speaker 1: on me, man. And then you're the funny part from 236 00:11:42,426 --> 00:11:44,666 Speaker 1: me because I've done this before. You're trying to get 237 00:11:44,706 --> 00:11:48,306 Speaker 1: the referee or the official to look at the big 238 00:11:48,346 --> 00:11:51,666 Speaker 1: screen with you so you can talk him through the 239 00:11:51,706 --> 00:11:53,826 Speaker 1: play and all that. I mean, he can't come to 240 00:11:53,906 --> 00:11:56,626 Speaker 1: a conclusion just looking at the big screen in the stadium. 241 00:11:56,826 --> 00:11:58,466 Speaker 1: But that's what all the fans are looking at. That's 242 00:11:58,506 --> 00:12:00,786 Speaker 1: what we're looking at, and we're basically saying, look, dude, 243 00:12:01,106 --> 00:12:03,026 Speaker 1: you got it wrong. You got it wrong. You know 244 00:12:03,026 --> 00:12:05,306 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So we always have some quick, you know, 245 00:12:05,386 --> 00:12:07,706 Speaker 1: some fun banner back and forth with the referees, and 246 00:12:07,706 --> 00:12:11,026 Speaker 1: people don't realize, like coaches, especially the head coaches, they 247 00:12:11,026 --> 00:12:13,186 Speaker 1: could get you ready for the officials. Like I know 248 00:12:13,306 --> 00:12:16,066 Speaker 1: and every team I've been a part of every single week, 249 00:12:16,546 --> 00:12:19,186 Speaker 1: the head coach in the big team meeting room, he 250 00:12:19,466 --> 00:12:23,026 Speaker 1: you know, brings up the projector all of the referees 251 00:12:23,066 --> 00:12:25,586 Speaker 1: for that week would be up. They have their statistics 252 00:12:25,626 --> 00:12:27,666 Speaker 1: on the calls that they make, the calls that they 253 00:12:27,746 --> 00:12:29,826 Speaker 1: like to make. You know what calls do do they 254 00:12:29,866 --> 00:12:32,066 Speaker 1: make the most on the road. I mean all these 255 00:12:32,066 --> 00:12:35,506 Speaker 1: different types of statistics about the officials, and so when 256 00:12:35,506 --> 00:12:38,266 Speaker 1: players going to a game, you know exactly who you're 257 00:12:38,306 --> 00:12:40,546 Speaker 1: dealing with. I remember playing with your sherman for a 258 00:12:40,586 --> 00:12:42,746 Speaker 1: few years out there in Seattle, and there were always 259 00:12:42,786 --> 00:12:45,826 Speaker 1: times where on the sideline Pete would have to remind him, 260 00:12:45,826 --> 00:12:49,026 Speaker 1: look such and such is the back judge. Understand that 261 00:12:49,346 --> 00:12:52,186 Speaker 1: he's watching you. There's no need in yelling at the 262 00:12:52,186 --> 00:12:55,666 Speaker 1: white head. There's no need in yelling at another official. 263 00:12:55,826 --> 00:12:57,626 Speaker 1: This is the guy watching you, and he calls a 264 00:12:57,666 --> 00:12:59,626 Speaker 1: lot of passive affairs, and so maybe you don't get 265 00:12:59,666 --> 00:13:01,906 Speaker 1: his hands e today and things like that. It's just 266 00:13:01,946 --> 00:13:04,186 Speaker 1: great information to have, and it gives you an advantage 267 00:13:04,186 --> 00:13:06,146 Speaker 1: on game that I'm actually mad because we did an 268 00:13:06,146 --> 00:13:08,746 Speaker 1: episode you and I this season on head coaches and 269 00:13:08,826 --> 00:13:10,866 Speaker 1: what they do. You never brought that up in that episode. 270 00:13:10,906 --> 00:13:14,826 Speaker 1: Come on, manmo in the Champion here. I know, well, 271 00:13:14,826 --> 00:13:17,106 Speaker 1: you know what that's not my fault, Yams, that's not 272 00:13:17,186 --> 00:13:19,386 Speaker 1: my fault. That's your fault. I know you want to 273 00:13:19,386 --> 00:13:22,106 Speaker 1: say that's my fault, but that's your far it's your job, 274 00:13:22,586 --> 00:13:26,026 Speaker 1: like psychologically, get into my right and put all of 275 00:13:26,026 --> 00:13:28,826 Speaker 1: those stories out. Man, he finally did it on this episode. 276 00:13:28,866 --> 00:13:30,826 Speaker 1: No we we I was that's a good way to 277 00:13:30,866 --> 00:13:33,226 Speaker 1: spend it. I was saving something for a little later 278 00:13:33,306 --> 00:13:35,346 Speaker 1: date in time. You know what's fascinating about what you 279 00:13:35,426 --> 00:13:37,546 Speaker 1: just described. In other sports, I know they do this, 280 00:13:37,586 --> 00:13:39,746 Speaker 1: and I think the same could be said for football. 281 00:13:40,186 --> 00:13:42,546 Speaker 1: Don't you use that replay time as almost like an 282 00:13:42,546 --> 00:13:46,786 Speaker 1: extra time out? Oh? Yes, are you kidding? Made coaches 283 00:13:46,786 --> 00:13:49,906 Speaker 1: are coaching up like crazy. Half the time, you already 284 00:13:49,906 --> 00:13:52,346 Speaker 1: know what the result of the call is gonna be, 285 00:13:52,746 --> 00:13:55,266 Speaker 1: and you're coaching up like if it was an interception, 286 00:13:55,306 --> 00:13:57,746 Speaker 1: and you know, everybody's like, all, that wasn't an interception. 287 00:13:57,746 --> 00:14:00,546 Speaker 1: That wasn't an interception. Defense coordinated to see it. They 288 00:14:00,586 --> 00:14:03,106 Speaker 1: called out, hey man, look that was a pick. Man, 289 00:14:03,466 --> 00:14:05,706 Speaker 1: y'all gonna get on off the field now, the offense 290 00:14:05,746 --> 00:14:08,266 Speaker 1: coach and start coaching their guys up. I mean, yeah, 291 00:14:08,466 --> 00:14:11,226 Speaker 1: it's a pseudo time, but I remember camp Chancellor telling 292 00:14:11,266 --> 00:14:13,466 Speaker 1: me we were playing in the NFC Championship game. We 293 00:14:13,466 --> 00:14:15,226 Speaker 1: were playing in San Francisco for the Nintors, who was 294 00:14:15,226 --> 00:14:17,946 Speaker 1: the team that I was with before the Seattle Seahawks 295 00:14:18,026 --> 00:14:20,226 Speaker 1: in that big NFC championship game before the Super Bowl 296 00:14:20,226 --> 00:14:23,146 Speaker 1: a year we won the Super Bowl. And Cam hit 297 00:14:23,346 --> 00:14:26,626 Speaker 1: Vernon Davis so hard, Bro, Like I think I'm asked, 298 00:14:26,666 --> 00:14:29,186 Speaker 1: told the story on this podcast before. But he hit 299 00:14:29,346 --> 00:14:33,106 Speaker 1: Vernon so hard it was legal. It was with his shoulder. 300 00:14:33,546 --> 00:14:35,546 Speaker 1: In everything I think you can if you look back 301 00:14:35,586 --> 00:14:38,826 Speaker 1: to you're gonna see that hit. That was all over 302 00:14:38,826 --> 00:14:42,666 Speaker 1: the highlights he knocked. He hit Vernon so hard, vernon 303 00:14:42,706 --> 00:14:45,306 Speaker 1: pants got twisted and ripped. I ain't never seen nothing 304 00:14:45,346 --> 00:14:47,186 Speaker 1: like that. He hit it with his shoulder and his 305 00:14:47,306 --> 00:14:49,786 Speaker 1: pants got ripped. To think about that, and then the 306 00:14:49,826 --> 00:14:53,506 Speaker 1: referee waited like five seconds and then through the flag 307 00:14:53,586 --> 00:14:55,466 Speaker 1: and Cam was like, man, Man, were you talking about 308 00:14:55,466 --> 00:14:58,066 Speaker 1: what you're talking about? And um, I said Cham. When 309 00:14:58,106 --> 00:15:00,146 Speaker 1: Cam got back to the sideline, I said, Cam, what 310 00:15:00,226 --> 00:15:02,546 Speaker 1: the hell happened? Man? What just what did he say 311 00:15:02,586 --> 00:15:05,146 Speaker 1: to you? He said, Bro? I said, why did you 312 00:15:05,146 --> 00:15:07,506 Speaker 1: throw the flag in the referee? I never forget Camp 313 00:15:07,546 --> 00:15:10,746 Speaker 1: telling me he said. The referee said, Bro, that looked 314 00:15:11,026 --> 00:15:15,906 Speaker 1: way too violent. I said what Camp said? Yeah, man, 315 00:15:16,066 --> 00:15:18,786 Speaker 1: he said it looked too violent. This is football, right, 316 00:15:18,826 --> 00:15:20,626 Speaker 1: And we had a moment on the sideline. It was 317 00:15:20,666 --> 00:15:24,026 Speaker 1: pretty cool. But it just goes to it, man, referees 318 00:15:24,066 --> 00:15:27,186 Speaker 1: are human too. Things look very violent. You just said, Oh, 319 00:15:27,426 --> 00:15:30,346 Speaker 1: something had to have happened. That's why we need this guy, judge. 320 00:15:30,546 --> 00:15:32,786 Speaker 1: That's why we like that command center to help our 321 00:15:32,786 --> 00:15:35,026 Speaker 1: guys out on the football field. Yeah. I know, I'm 322 00:15:35,106 --> 00:15:37,626 Speaker 1: with you there, just that extra set of eyes. One 323 00:15:37,626 --> 00:15:41,706 Speaker 1: other note on the dialogue that's happening. Do certain guys 324 00:15:42,866 --> 00:15:45,866 Speaker 1: how do I put this, have a reputation and maybe 325 00:15:46,106 --> 00:15:53,346 Speaker 1: those experiences with officials have them thinking differently, like sure, Leash, 326 00:15:53,466 --> 00:15:56,826 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Uh? Yeah, I know 327 00:15:56,946 --> 00:16:01,466 Speaker 1: exactly what you mean. Um, what's my guy? Man? He 328 00:16:01,546 --> 00:16:03,946 Speaker 1: used to play for the Arizona car knows what the 329 00:16:03,986 --> 00:16:08,066 Speaker 1: Florida State. I hated playing a dot Knell Docket that's 330 00:16:08,186 --> 00:16:11,906 Speaker 1: his name deep as a tackle. Oh, I hated playing 331 00:16:11,946 --> 00:16:16,306 Speaker 1: that dude. I hated playing that dude. Every time I 332 00:16:16,546 --> 00:16:20,426 Speaker 1: encountered him, I felt like it was a dirty play 333 00:16:20,506 --> 00:16:23,026 Speaker 1: every time I went up against him. I'm looking at 334 00:16:23,026 --> 00:16:25,266 Speaker 1: the rough flight. And again, I played fullback and running 335 00:16:25,306 --> 00:16:29,186 Speaker 1: back sometimes, so my encounters were him were minimal. But 336 00:16:29,346 --> 00:16:32,226 Speaker 1: I hated playing that dude, and I would always go 337 00:16:32,306 --> 00:16:34,626 Speaker 1: to the ref every single place I do. He's doing 338 00:16:34,746 --> 00:16:37,586 Speaker 1: something every single play. It's one of those guys that 339 00:16:37,826 --> 00:16:39,706 Speaker 1: you hate playing against what you love when he's on 340 00:16:39,786 --> 00:16:42,426 Speaker 1: your team. That's one of those guys that I would 341 00:16:42,426 --> 00:16:44,066 Speaker 1: always go to the referee. And but like, man, keep 342 00:16:44,106 --> 00:16:46,586 Speaker 1: your eyes on that dude. Love shout off to Donell Doc. 343 00:16:46,666 --> 00:16:48,026 Speaker 1: I don't know what he's doing in life now, but 344 00:16:48,066 --> 00:16:50,026 Speaker 1: he was kind of like my neighbor in Arizona want 345 00:16:50,026 --> 00:16:53,026 Speaker 1: to live there, shouting He's probably like I appreciate that. 346 00:16:53,146 --> 00:16:56,106 Speaker 1: I like that people were thinking about me in those terms. 347 00:16:56,466 --> 00:16:58,706 Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna continue this conversation because I do 348 00:16:58,746 --> 00:17:02,266 Speaker 1: think it's important to consider what's happening in New York 349 00:17:02,306 --> 00:17:05,186 Speaker 1: when a lot of these plays are getting reviewed and 350 00:17:05,386 --> 00:17:08,146 Speaker 1: you men shin m rob your experiences listening to some 351 00:17:08,186 --> 00:17:11,386 Speaker 1: of these conversations with that is actually, like, there's so 352 00:17:11,426 --> 00:17:16,026 Speaker 1: many things that these officials are responsible for, confirming scores, turnovers, 353 00:17:16,066 --> 00:17:19,466 Speaker 1: initiating reviews under two minutes during both halves and obviously 354 00:17:19,506 --> 00:17:22,866 Speaker 1: over time. In addition, they're analyzing game decisions. Think about this. 355 00:17:22,946 --> 00:17:27,026 Speaker 1: Before every single play, they're verifying the clock status at 356 00:17:27,106 --> 00:17:29,666 Speaker 1: the beginning and the end of every play, confirming the 357 00:17:29,666 --> 00:17:32,346 Speaker 1: correct number of players on the field at the snap. 358 00:17:32,426 --> 00:17:34,106 Speaker 1: Every time I see too many men on the field, 359 00:17:34,106 --> 00:17:36,986 Speaker 1: I'm always like, how did you figure that out? Like, 360 00:17:37,106 --> 00:17:40,186 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there watching going, dude like you, I'm not 361 00:17:40,186 --> 00:17:41,906 Speaker 1: great with numbers, but I'm sitting there. I'd be like 362 00:17:42,026 --> 00:17:44,626 Speaker 1: one to you, like on the finger, old school counting. 363 00:17:45,266 --> 00:17:47,306 Speaker 1: You're not going, you wouldn't count. Mike. What happens is 364 00:17:47,306 --> 00:17:49,946 Speaker 1: when you played this game, will see this game feeling enough? 365 00:17:50,186 --> 00:17:53,346 Speaker 1: You just feel it. You like, dude, there's too many 366 00:17:53,386 --> 00:17:57,946 Speaker 1: guys that line right there, there's just too many secondary players. 367 00:17:58,146 --> 00:18:00,346 Speaker 1: You just feel it. Man, Yeah, best defense you went 368 00:18:00,426 --> 00:18:02,826 Speaker 1: up against. I'm guaranteeing like there was eleven dudes on 369 00:18:02,866 --> 00:18:04,626 Speaker 1: the field and it felt like there was fifteen. And 370 00:18:04,666 --> 00:18:06,866 Speaker 1: you just kept looking around like it feels they don't 371 00:18:06,866 --> 00:18:09,906 Speaker 1: feel like there's any windows for me. There's not enough holes. 372 00:18:09,946 --> 00:18:11,866 Speaker 1: The whole thing. I get it all right. When we 373 00:18:11,866 --> 00:18:13,226 Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna take you through some of the 374 00:18:13,306 --> 00:18:16,106 Speaker 1: numbers behind instant replay, which teams are doing it the 375 00:18:16,186 --> 00:18:20,306 Speaker 1: most successfully, and actually how often calls are being overturned. 376 00:18:20,346 --> 00:18:30,066 Speaker 1: That's coming up next on the NFL Explain podcast. All right, 377 00:18:30,106 --> 00:18:32,786 Speaker 1: welcome back to the NFL Explained podcasts. Mike Yam and 378 00:18:32,986 --> 00:18:35,546 Speaker 1: Rob with you. And I think I went this whole 379 00:18:35,586 --> 00:18:38,026 Speaker 1: week and I did not get someone siding into my 380 00:18:38,106 --> 00:18:40,786 Speaker 1: d M s with a question, which is weird. Yeah, 381 00:18:41,466 --> 00:18:44,506 Speaker 1: like we're slacking here because I'm as e Proba will 382 00:18:44,546 --> 00:18:46,826 Speaker 1: tell you, I get legit excited when we get questions 383 00:18:46,866 --> 00:18:49,586 Speaker 1: for our mail bag episode. So once again, if you're 384 00:18:49,626 --> 00:18:51,386 Speaker 1: checking this out on our YouTube, which by the way, 385 00:18:51,426 --> 00:18:53,386 Speaker 1: I just found out before we started rolling that our 386 00:18:53,426 --> 00:18:57,426 Speaker 1: shows are now available visually as well as you can 387 00:18:57,466 --> 00:18:59,826 Speaker 1: obviously just listen to the audio. I'm much better looking 388 00:18:59,906 --> 00:19:03,106 Speaker 1: on in podcast form than YouTube form. But um, it's 389 00:19:03,146 --> 00:19:05,986 Speaker 1: you know, the the imagination, you know, the whole mind. No, 390 00:19:06,546 --> 00:19:08,426 Speaker 1: you need to go to YouTube and check it out 391 00:19:08,426 --> 00:19:12,346 Speaker 1: because anytime yeams get embarrassed or whatever, you can see 392 00:19:12,386 --> 00:19:17,626 Speaker 1: the sweat happening on his hairline. So also the same 393 00:19:17,666 --> 00:19:19,346 Speaker 1: thing happens to me too, so you know it takes 394 00:19:19,386 --> 00:19:21,706 Speaker 1: one to know where. Yeah, no, no, the sweat I 395 00:19:21,706 --> 00:19:25,346 Speaker 1: always and I do. You know, I beat up pretty easily. 396 00:19:25,346 --> 00:19:27,586 Speaker 1: But you're right that that does happen, you know, Just 397 00:19:27,626 --> 00:19:29,586 Speaker 1: because now I know we're on YouTube, I'm gonna ask 398 00:19:29,626 --> 00:19:32,106 Speaker 1: our makeup people if they can come and do touch 399 00:19:32,186 --> 00:19:35,586 Speaker 1: ups and to make sure that whatever thing's okay. You 400 00:19:35,626 --> 00:19:37,866 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Um, But in all sincerity, we 401 00:19:37,906 --> 00:19:40,026 Speaker 1: do actually appreciate the questions that we have been getting. 402 00:19:40,066 --> 00:19:42,466 Speaker 1: I swear to you if you do DM me or 403 00:19:42,626 --> 00:19:45,586 Speaker 1: m Rob really just me. I promise I screenshot everything, 404 00:19:45,626 --> 00:19:47,666 Speaker 1: I send it to our crew. I put it on 405 00:19:47,706 --> 00:19:50,706 Speaker 1: a text thread. There's emojis firing all over the place. 406 00:19:50,866 --> 00:19:53,226 Speaker 1: I get hyped up and Rob gets hyped up, and 407 00:19:53,266 --> 00:19:55,946 Speaker 1: I promise we will get to some of those shows. 408 00:19:55,946 --> 00:19:58,066 Speaker 1: By the way, we made a whole episode, not even 409 00:19:58,106 --> 00:19:59,546 Speaker 1: just for the mail bag episode. We made a whole 410 00:19:59,586 --> 00:20:01,786 Speaker 1: episode based off of one of those questions. So we'd 411 00:20:01,826 --> 00:20:04,226 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. You can find us on 412 00:20:04,346 --> 00:20:07,426 Speaker 1: social media at my underscore or yam at real mic 413 00:20:07,506 --> 00:20:09,506 Speaker 1: Rob on Twitter. All right, let's get back to the 414 00:20:09,586 --> 00:20:12,866 Speaker 1: instant replay stuff. How often it's successful? Because I think 415 00:20:12,906 --> 00:20:15,586 Speaker 1: that's the question that everyone is thinking about. So between 416 00:20:15,666 --> 00:20:18,626 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six, it was just a kid. In nine, 417 00:20:19,906 --> 00:20:22,186 Speaker 1: during the first iteration of instant replay, there were an 418 00:20:22,226 --> 00:20:25,546 Speaker 1: average of two point two plays reviewed per game, but 419 00:20:25,666 --> 00:20:28,866 Speaker 1: reversals only happened twelve point six percent at the time. 420 00:20:29,266 --> 00:20:33,026 Speaker 1: During those days, coaches weren't actually allowed to challenge that change. 421 00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:36,106 Speaker 1: Under the current iteration of instant replay, so since nineteen 422 00:20:36,186 --> 00:20:38,626 Speaker 1: ninety nine, there's been an average of one point three 423 00:20:38,866 --> 00:20:42,106 Speaker 1: plays per game challenge and thirty nine percent of the 424 00:20:42,146 --> 00:20:44,386 Speaker 1: plays have been reversed, So that is a big jump 425 00:20:44,626 --> 00:20:47,346 Speaker 1: in terms of those reversals. In nine nine nine, a 426 00:20:47,346 --> 00:20:51,066 Speaker 1: total of one ninety five plays were reviewed, fifty seven 427 00:20:51,106 --> 00:20:54,066 Speaker 1: reverse at a rate of twenty nine percent. But in 428 00:20:54,906 --> 00:20:58,066 Speaker 1: one check this out, two hundred and seventy nine plays 429 00:20:58,106 --> 00:21:01,706 Speaker 1: were reviewed, a hundred and fifty eight were reversed. That's 430 00:21:01,706 --> 00:21:07,506 Speaker 1: a seven percent rate of change, highest ever highest THATFFROM. Yeah, 431 00:21:07,786 --> 00:21:11,986 Speaker 1: most review plays past completion, My lord, we've all watched 432 00:21:12,026 --> 00:21:13,986 Speaker 1: enough football games to know that they checked those things 433 00:21:14,026 --> 00:21:17,386 Speaker 1: out past incompletion. You can check that box as well 434 00:21:17,746 --> 00:21:20,186 Speaker 1: and run or breaking the plant like that. Totally makes 435 00:21:20,226 --> 00:21:22,266 Speaker 1: sense to me on those scenarios. Going back to what 436 00:21:22,266 --> 00:21:23,946 Speaker 1: we were talking about though, at the top of some 437 00:21:24,026 --> 00:21:27,826 Speaker 1: of the technology. Is there something emrod that you would 438 00:21:27,906 --> 00:21:30,786 Speaker 1: point to as to why we're seeing the reversal change 439 00:21:31,106 --> 00:21:35,386 Speaker 1: so significantly, I would point to just the technology from 440 00:21:35,386 --> 00:21:38,746 Speaker 1: the television that from the technic quality of the images. Yeah, 441 00:21:38,866 --> 00:21:42,506 Speaker 1: the quality of the images. I mean you could right 442 00:21:42,546 --> 00:21:45,786 Speaker 1: now they can zoom into that sideline shot when a 443 00:21:45,826 --> 00:21:48,826 Speaker 1: guy's running on the sideline and you can see whether 444 00:21:48,866 --> 00:21:52,026 Speaker 1: it's a blade or two of grass in between his 445 00:21:52,186 --> 00:21:55,986 Speaker 1: cleat in the white line in We just weren't able 446 00:21:56,066 --> 00:21:59,386 Speaker 1: to see that, right in nineteen ninet. We just weren't 447 00:21:59,426 --> 00:22:01,706 Speaker 1: able to see those types of things. And I think 448 00:22:02,026 --> 00:22:05,946 Speaker 1: as the quality of the picture continues to get ramped up, 449 00:22:05,986 --> 00:22:09,226 Speaker 1: I think you'll see even more calls get overturned because 450 00:22:09,506 --> 00:22:12,946 Speaker 1: the game moves so fast, right, and so for an 451 00:22:13,066 --> 00:22:15,586 Speaker 1: referee or to have an opportunity or a fan for 452 00:22:15,626 --> 00:22:18,146 Speaker 1: that matter, to have an opportunity to see this game 453 00:22:18,226 --> 00:22:21,906 Speaker 1: slowed down frame by frame, that's truly when you can 454 00:22:21,906 --> 00:22:25,346 Speaker 1: get to the essence of you know, what's causing an issue, 455 00:22:25,426 --> 00:22:27,826 Speaker 1: or what a penalty is, or things like that. I 456 00:22:27,866 --> 00:22:30,426 Speaker 1: do think it's interesting that we still don't know where 457 00:22:30,426 --> 00:22:33,626 Speaker 1: it catches. I played football all my damn life Mike, 458 00:22:33,866 --> 00:22:35,346 Speaker 1: and I still don't know where to catch out. I 459 00:22:35,386 --> 00:22:37,706 Speaker 1: still don't I know from the letter of the law 460 00:22:37,986 --> 00:22:41,306 Speaker 1: what it catches, but from watching it. To me is 461 00:22:41,386 --> 00:22:43,466 Speaker 1: hard because at the end of the day, I can 462 00:22:43,506 --> 00:22:46,226 Speaker 1: go out to any park in America, in any city 463 00:22:46,266 --> 00:22:50,146 Speaker 1: and see kids making some crazy catches that may look 464 00:22:50,186 --> 00:22:53,066 Speaker 1: like an incomplete past, but our truly catches because it 465 00:22:53,066 --> 00:22:54,986 Speaker 1: catches a feet, it has a feel to it. So 466 00:22:55,466 --> 00:22:57,586 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know. Just to replace 467 00:22:57,626 --> 00:23:00,466 Speaker 1: some sometimes it's made it harder on me to determine 468 00:23:00,506 --> 00:23:02,106 Speaker 1: what the hell is going on out there. You and 469 00:23:02,106 --> 00:23:03,986 Speaker 1: I both know that someone's gonna DM you and go 470 00:23:04,106 --> 00:23:06,666 Speaker 1: what is it catch? For the mont episode? That's what 471 00:23:06,706 --> 00:23:15,386 Speaker 1: they're gonna say, all right, Welcome back to the NFL 472 00:23:15,426 --> 00:23:19,186 Speaker 1: Explained podcasts. Mike, yam m ROB with you. I'm with 473 00:23:19,226 --> 00:23:22,066 Speaker 1: you on those camera angles and the quality. And here's 474 00:23:22,106 --> 00:23:24,026 Speaker 1: the best thing that I can say about it. We 475 00:23:24,106 --> 00:23:27,946 Speaker 1: all watched these documentaries on sports m ROB from decades ago, 476 00:23:28,586 --> 00:23:30,906 Speaker 1: and we watched them back, whether it's you know, the 477 00:23:30,946 --> 00:23:33,946 Speaker 1: old school NFL film stuff, stuff at the NBA, Major 478 00:23:33,986 --> 00:23:37,106 Speaker 1: League Baseball, like think about I was watching something the 479 00:23:37,106 --> 00:23:39,226 Speaker 1: other day and said, oh, my god, Like I didn't 480 00:23:39,226 --> 00:23:43,306 Speaker 1: know how bad it was for us to watch sports 481 00:23:43,386 --> 00:23:45,386 Speaker 1: because now we just take for granted, you know, got 482 00:23:45,746 --> 00:23:48,746 Speaker 1: h D, the oh lad TV, the whole thing, right, 483 00:23:48,746 --> 00:23:50,706 Speaker 1: Like I don't even know if I'm using the right terminology, 484 00:23:50,866 --> 00:23:52,626 Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, Like we got all 485 00:23:52,666 --> 00:23:54,906 Speaker 1: this like great technology, and when I flash back and go, 486 00:23:55,026 --> 00:23:56,946 Speaker 1: how did we even know who the hell was on 487 00:23:56,986 --> 00:23:59,466 Speaker 1: the field, Like everything seems so blurry, like quality was 488 00:23:59,506 --> 00:24:01,826 Speaker 1: so bad. So to me it makes so much more sense, 489 00:24:01,866 --> 00:24:03,706 Speaker 1: like some of these video angles and the quality of 490 00:24:03,706 --> 00:24:05,666 Speaker 1: the picture. I'm like, oh my god, I'm watching Thursday 491 00:24:05,666 --> 00:24:08,026 Speaker 1: I Football. I'm private. I'm thinking myself, man, like think 492 00:24:08,066 --> 00:24:13,666 Speaker 1: about this, like just crazy, man, it is. WiFi is 493 00:24:13,666 --> 00:24:18,186 Speaker 1: good exactly. I even um I said earlier. I did 494 00:24:18,226 --> 00:24:21,666 Speaker 1: some of the USFL football games this past spring. They 495 00:24:21,706 --> 00:24:25,586 Speaker 1: even have a drone that has even more unique angles 496 00:24:25,586 --> 00:24:27,826 Speaker 1: because the drone is able to kind of get in there, 497 00:24:27,946 --> 00:24:30,466 Speaker 1: you know, on player level. So again, I just think 498 00:24:30,466 --> 00:24:34,466 Speaker 1: as technology grows, will continue to again try to get 499 00:24:34,506 --> 00:24:37,106 Speaker 1: things right. That's the ultimate goal in our sport, getting 500 00:24:37,146 --> 00:24:39,986 Speaker 1: things right. And as technology goes, I think we'll continue 501 00:24:40,026 --> 00:24:42,386 Speaker 1: down that path. Do you think the game's over officiated. 502 00:24:42,826 --> 00:24:45,986 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, times I do. To me, especially like with 503 00:24:46,026 --> 00:24:48,866 Speaker 1: this rough and the pastor thing. You know, we can 504 00:24:48,906 --> 00:24:52,426 Speaker 1: have that discussion on subjective calls and you know, rough 505 00:24:52,466 --> 00:24:54,906 Speaker 1: and a pastor wood is roughing, you know, to each 506 00:24:54,906 --> 00:24:56,986 Speaker 1: individual and things like that. To me, it is a 507 00:24:57,066 --> 00:25:02,186 Speaker 1: subjective thing. But I know, quarterbacks are quarterbacks and with 508 00:25:02,466 --> 00:25:06,186 Speaker 1: dry fans, you know, and they're the post the boys 509 00:25:06,226 --> 00:25:07,986 Speaker 1: of the league and things like that. But to me, 510 00:25:08,026 --> 00:25:13,826 Speaker 1: they're football players, and these calls are literally determining games. 511 00:25:14,186 --> 00:25:16,466 Speaker 1: And we talk about the parody in the National Football 512 00:25:16,546 --> 00:25:19,066 Speaker 1: League and how each week we don't know who's gonna win, 513 00:25:19,186 --> 00:25:21,866 Speaker 1: and each year there could be a new Super Bowl champion, 514 00:25:21,906 --> 00:25:23,586 Speaker 1: and we love it. We love it. I love that 515 00:25:23,666 --> 00:25:25,986 Speaker 1: fact about our league. But if that is the case, 516 00:25:26,306 --> 00:25:30,106 Speaker 1: if that truly is the case, then that means officiating. 517 00:25:30,146 --> 00:25:33,626 Speaker 1: The calls have to be right. And at the end 518 00:25:33,626 --> 00:25:36,226 Speaker 1: of the day, when you're you put somebody at the 519 00:25:36,226 --> 00:25:38,466 Speaker 1: beginning of the season say we want to protect quarterbacks 520 00:25:38,466 --> 00:25:40,266 Speaker 1: and rough and the passion is going to be, you know, 521 00:25:40,306 --> 00:25:44,426 Speaker 1: a call of emphasis, and these calls are determining games. Again, Mike, 522 00:25:44,466 --> 00:25:47,106 Speaker 1: I was a role player of my entire career too 523 00:25:47,146 --> 00:25:49,786 Speaker 1: many losses. I'm one of the first ones to go 524 00:25:50,386 --> 00:25:52,346 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I don't necessarily believe 525 00:25:52,386 --> 00:25:55,226 Speaker 1: in that. So yeah, this game can be over efficiated. 526 00:25:55,266 --> 00:25:56,946 Speaker 1: You know. I'm with you. And and get it back 527 00:25:56,946 --> 00:25:59,386 Speaker 1: on the instant replay bandwagon for a second, because I 528 00:25:59,426 --> 00:26:01,786 Speaker 1: think one of the other facets of this conversation is 529 00:26:02,066 --> 00:26:05,506 Speaker 1: how long do these replays actually take? And I think 530 00:26:05,506 --> 00:26:08,266 Speaker 1: the number will probably surprise people. And let me just 531 00:26:08,306 --> 00:26:11,826 Speaker 1: say this, like, I don't think people understand. You know, 532 00:26:11,906 --> 00:26:13,866 Speaker 1: what's it like to be in twenty seconds of silence? 533 00:26:14,346 --> 00:26:18,306 Speaker 1: Like it just and it feels like a long time. 534 00:26:18,546 --> 00:26:21,186 Speaker 1: So when you're watching to make sure you're dude, and 535 00:26:21,306 --> 00:26:24,106 Speaker 1: that touchdown two feet in in the end, zon't like 536 00:26:24,506 --> 00:26:27,906 Speaker 1: that feels excruciating. But in reality, the numbers aren't as 537 00:26:27,946 --> 00:26:30,346 Speaker 1: crazy as you think because at its lowest point in 538 00:26:31,226 --> 00:26:34,146 Speaker 1: the average replay was taking one minute and forty four 539 00:26:34,186 --> 00:26:37,186 Speaker 1: seconds last season. The average to go up a minute, 540 00:26:37,226 --> 00:26:40,506 Speaker 1: right last average last season two minutes and twenty three seconds. 541 00:26:40,506 --> 00:26:44,586 Speaker 1: So the fan who's waiting still like to twenty three 542 00:26:44,586 --> 00:26:46,226 Speaker 1: man like it. It's not as crazy as you think. 543 00:26:46,266 --> 00:26:48,306 Speaker 1: To get it right, the teams that have been most 544 00:26:48,346 --> 00:26:52,826 Speaker 1: successful since ninety nine at overturning calls, Dallas Cowboys forty 545 00:26:52,986 --> 00:26:55,546 Speaker 1: point one percent at a time, the Eagles at forty 546 00:26:55,586 --> 00:26:58,466 Speaker 1: six point six percent of the time. So you're starting 547 00:26:58,506 --> 00:27:00,546 Speaker 1: to say to yourself, like, why is that why those 548 00:27:00,546 --> 00:27:03,826 Speaker 1: two teams, Well, here we go. Those two squads are 549 00:27:03,946 --> 00:27:06,906 Speaker 1: number one and number three when it comes to playing 550 00:27:06,986 --> 00:27:10,586 Speaker 1: primetime games. Since so you're saying, all right, well, why 551 00:27:10,666 --> 00:27:12,706 Speaker 1: is that important? Here's what I can tell you, and 552 00:27:12,746 --> 00:27:17,186 Speaker 1: I've experienced this. It's important because primetime games have way 553 00:27:17,226 --> 00:27:20,426 Speaker 1: more cameras than the games that you're seeing on Sunday afternoon, 554 00:27:20,786 --> 00:27:24,026 Speaker 1: sometimes as many as four times the amount. And I 555 00:27:24,066 --> 00:27:26,386 Speaker 1: know that sounds crazy, m Rob. You've been in this 556 00:27:26,426 --> 00:27:28,386 Speaker 1: business in a long time, just like I have. Like 557 00:27:28,426 --> 00:27:30,146 Speaker 1: if you go to a prime time game and you 558 00:27:30,226 --> 00:27:32,226 Speaker 1: see the production trucks that are out there, and you 559 00:27:32,266 --> 00:27:34,826 Speaker 1: know the amount of cameras has a lot of tools 560 00:27:34,826 --> 00:27:39,186 Speaker 1: in the tools shifts were for these crews. So more cameras, 561 00:27:39,626 --> 00:27:43,626 Speaker 1: more eyes, better angles, more opportunity to reverse calls. Those 562 00:27:43,666 --> 00:27:47,626 Speaker 1: camera angles specifically, that is an opportunity for plays to 563 00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:50,066 Speaker 1: get overturned and really to get the perfect call as 564 00:27:50,146 --> 00:27:52,386 Speaker 1: much as you want. So I want to mention a 565 00:27:52,386 --> 00:27:56,026 Speaker 1: few of the famous instances of instant replay. Music City 566 00:27:56,066 --> 00:27:59,626 Speaker 1: Miracle replay able to confirm the wild lateral that lad 567 00:27:59,626 --> 00:28:02,906 Speaker 1: the Titans to beat the Bills in that was actually 568 00:28:02,906 --> 00:28:04,986 Speaker 1: the first year that we've played came back the des 569 00:28:05,106 --> 00:28:09,826 Speaker 1: Bryant or non catch, depending if you're Pakistan. It's kind 570 00:28:09,826 --> 00:28:11,426 Speaker 1: of like that film Mary you were talking about a 571 00:28:11,466 --> 00:28:14,026 Speaker 1: little bit before, and obviously went as Bryant scored that 572 00:28:14,066 --> 00:28:17,026 Speaker 1: go ahead touchdown and Rob, I know you mentioned film Mary. 573 00:28:17,066 --> 00:28:18,906 Speaker 1: Anything else that comes to mind with some of these 574 00:28:18,946 --> 00:28:21,146 Speaker 1: three plays and some of those moments for you. I mean, 575 00:28:21,226 --> 00:28:24,626 Speaker 1: obviously the Megatron one, I think he was in Chicago. 576 00:28:24,786 --> 00:28:26,386 Speaker 1: I think when he was getting up off the ground, 577 00:28:26,586 --> 00:28:28,626 Speaker 1: it was obvious catch to me. But it just seems 578 00:28:28,706 --> 00:28:30,826 Speaker 1: like some of the some of the makers of our 579 00:28:30,906 --> 00:28:34,266 Speaker 1: game had never seen a human being do anything that great. 580 00:28:34,346 --> 00:28:36,466 Speaker 1: But I mean, to me, you have to go to 581 00:28:36,546 --> 00:28:39,746 Speaker 1: that Ram Saints two thousand and eighteen NFC Championship game. 582 00:28:39,826 --> 00:28:42,786 Speaker 1: Right to me, that was the most egregious no call 583 00:28:42,986 --> 00:28:46,466 Speaker 1: that should have been passed, an ofference that didn't get called, 584 00:28:46,546 --> 00:28:49,346 Speaker 1: there was no replay for that was the most egregious 585 00:28:49,346 --> 00:28:52,386 Speaker 1: one of them all. If our listeners remember Robie Coleman 586 00:28:52,666 --> 00:28:56,346 Speaker 1: Nickel Roby Coleman, the defensive back for the Rams, ended 587 00:28:56,426 --> 00:28:59,546 Speaker 1: up hitting the Saints Tommy Lee Lewis, and I mean 588 00:28:59,866 --> 00:29:01,946 Speaker 1: should have been called. It was passing affairs. It was 589 00:29:01,986 --> 00:29:03,826 Speaker 1: Agreedi just looked like the referee was about to throw 590 00:29:03,866 --> 00:29:07,666 Speaker 1: the flag and then he didn't. Then we started questioning 591 00:29:07,706 --> 00:29:10,506 Speaker 1: how the officials actually formed their team for playoffs. It 592 00:29:10,586 --> 00:29:12,266 Speaker 1: was a whole big mess. You can go back to 593 00:29:12,586 --> 00:29:15,066 Speaker 1: some of the stories back then. But again to me, 594 00:29:15,666 --> 00:29:19,266 Speaker 1: the past and inference call again, another subjective call being 595 00:29:19,266 --> 00:29:21,666 Speaker 1: in question, and again to me, a sky judge would 596 00:29:21,706 --> 00:29:24,346 Speaker 1: have helped that. Somebody that you said, wor wold World 597 00:29:24,346 --> 00:29:26,706 Speaker 1: World War WOA. Come on, this is about the game, 598 00:29:26,786 --> 00:29:29,106 Speaker 1: the integrity of our game. We cannot let this play 599 00:29:29,186 --> 00:29:31,666 Speaker 1: move on without this play being called. So yeah, I 600 00:29:31,666 --> 00:29:35,746 Speaker 1: think that thousand eighteen NFC Championship game was probably the 601 00:29:35,746 --> 00:29:38,026 Speaker 1: one that comes to mind the most. And my just 602 00:29:38,266 --> 00:29:42,346 Speaker 1: thirteen of eighty one passing inference challenges were successful in 603 00:29:42,386 --> 00:29:46,866 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. So it was scrapped in and they're trying 604 00:29:46,906 --> 00:29:50,706 Speaker 1: to figure out a process to make subjective calls better 605 00:29:50,746 --> 00:29:52,986 Speaker 1: because again at the end of the day, there's no 606 00:29:54,106 --> 00:29:56,986 Speaker 1: there's no line of demarcation on some of these subjective 607 00:29:57,026 --> 00:30:00,186 Speaker 1: calls where referee could just say, yeah, they met all 608 00:30:00,186 --> 00:30:02,666 Speaker 1: of these. So this is why we made the call. 609 00:30:02,746 --> 00:30:05,226 Speaker 1: That comes down to the opinion of the referee. So 610 00:30:05,746 --> 00:30:08,546 Speaker 1: it's that in mind, do you You and I were 611 00:30:08,546 --> 00:30:10,826 Speaker 1: talking off fair before we started recording, and I had 612 00:30:10,826 --> 00:30:12,506 Speaker 1: said to you, hey, like, do you think we get 613 00:30:12,546 --> 00:30:15,386 Speaker 1: to a point where every play gets reviewed? And I 614 00:30:15,386 --> 00:30:16,906 Speaker 1: think you and I are probably on the same page 615 00:30:16,946 --> 00:30:19,946 Speaker 1: that the answer is yes. After hearing the number that 616 00:30:19,946 --> 00:30:22,306 Speaker 1: you just threw out there, I'm almost wondering, like, hey, man, 617 00:30:22,386 --> 00:30:24,426 Speaker 1: like that might be a little further out than I 618 00:30:24,466 --> 00:30:27,106 Speaker 1: had thought. Like I thought maybe the end of the decade. 619 00:30:27,186 --> 00:30:29,666 Speaker 1: Maybe it's longer. I don't know. Yeah, well, I look 620 00:30:29,706 --> 00:30:32,146 Speaker 1: at it like this, like and I think, um, I 621 00:30:32,226 --> 00:30:34,386 Speaker 1: was at some owners meeting some years ago and Bill 622 00:30:34,386 --> 00:30:36,666 Speaker 1: Belichick was talking about this, and this is not something 623 00:30:36,666 --> 00:30:39,266 Speaker 1: I'm breaking or anything. We all know what's going on. 624 00:30:39,346 --> 00:30:42,346 Speaker 1: He just said, yes, keep the number of challenges at 625 00:30:42,346 --> 00:30:44,866 Speaker 1: a limited number, two or three, whatever we decide, but 626 00:30:45,026 --> 00:30:50,426 Speaker 1: make any play challengeable. And what you're challenging has to 627 00:30:50,506 --> 00:30:53,506 Speaker 1: have something to do with the success of the play, 628 00:30:53,546 --> 00:30:55,706 Speaker 1: and to me, that would limit the length of some 629 00:30:55,786 --> 00:30:58,426 Speaker 1: of these challenges, but it would also give coaches a 630 00:30:58,426 --> 00:31:01,346 Speaker 1: tool in their tool box where they feel that they've 631 00:31:01,386 --> 00:31:03,826 Speaker 1: been sliding on a particular call because of the parody, 632 00:31:03,866 --> 00:31:07,386 Speaker 1: because of how close these teams are, they can use 633 00:31:07,586 --> 00:31:10,426 Speaker 1: their tools, their toolbox to potentially get the right call. 634 00:31:10,506 --> 00:31:12,746 Speaker 1: I think that's something we should look at. So I 635 00:31:12,786 --> 00:31:14,466 Speaker 1: told you this story, and I don't know how much 636 00:31:14,506 --> 00:31:16,466 Speaker 1: I told you before. Sometimes I just say I'll save 637 00:31:16,506 --> 00:31:18,746 Speaker 1: it for air. You say the same thing. I used 638 00:31:18,786 --> 00:31:22,426 Speaker 1: to work on a project in virtual reality around the NFL. 639 00:31:22,466 --> 00:31:24,346 Speaker 1: I did that for a couple of seasons and it 640 00:31:24,386 --> 00:31:27,146 Speaker 1: wasn't ready for prime time yet. When I think about 641 00:31:27,186 --> 00:31:29,506 Speaker 1: the image quality that we get just watching normal TV, 642 00:31:30,066 --> 00:31:31,666 Speaker 1: but m ROB, I actually think in a lot of 643 00:31:31,666 --> 00:31:34,626 Speaker 1: ways that's the future of instant replay, because like when 644 00:31:34,626 --> 00:31:37,026 Speaker 1: you get the headset on or even a R which 645 00:31:37,066 --> 00:31:39,586 Speaker 1: is augmented reality, like you put those headsets on, man, 646 00:31:39,626 --> 00:31:42,146 Speaker 1: Like if I turned to my right, I see exactly 647 00:31:42,146 --> 00:31:44,626 Speaker 1: what everyone sees as if I was actually at the game. 648 00:31:44,906 --> 00:31:47,106 Speaker 1: And I think if the quality of the cameras get better, 649 00:31:47,226 --> 00:31:49,746 Speaker 1: especially that drone one or the sky cam that's coming 650 00:31:49,786 --> 00:31:53,226 Speaker 1: through like em rob. You literally can get every single 651 00:31:53,266 --> 00:31:56,506 Speaker 1: angle of every single play, like I would imagine that 652 00:31:56,546 --> 00:31:58,546 Speaker 1: has got to be where it goes, probably in the 653 00:31:58,586 --> 00:32:01,866 Speaker 1: next I don't know, five ten years. Oh, that would 654 00:32:01,906 --> 00:32:05,346 Speaker 1: be interesting right there. Games players, I don't know if 655 00:32:05,386 --> 00:32:07,706 Speaker 1: I'm with players would like that. I mean, just just 656 00:32:07,706 --> 00:32:12,826 Speaker 1: getting everything everything replay, everything is all camera again, the 657 00:32:12,906 --> 00:32:14,826 Speaker 1: goal is to get it right. If the goal is 658 00:32:14,866 --> 00:32:17,066 Speaker 1: to get it right, which it is, I would vote 659 00:32:17,066 --> 00:32:19,226 Speaker 1: for that. I would be in favor of that. Do 660 00:32:19,266 --> 00:32:21,586 Speaker 1: the players ever have conversations about what they want or 661 00:32:21,626 --> 00:32:25,706 Speaker 1: don't want? Um like informal do Most guys don't. They 662 00:32:25,706 --> 00:32:27,746 Speaker 1: don't like replay like I would imagine skill, but like 663 00:32:27,746 --> 00:32:33,266 Speaker 1: the wide receivers want. Big guys don't care. Big guys 664 00:32:33,266 --> 00:32:35,226 Speaker 1: don't care. I mean, and I was a runner, so 665 00:32:35,346 --> 00:32:36,986 Speaker 1: a lot of the runners that I've talked to over 666 00:32:37,026 --> 00:32:40,106 Speaker 1: the years, we're always fighting for extra yards and they 667 00:32:40,146 --> 00:32:44,346 Speaker 1: hate sometimes the spots of the you know where the 668 00:32:44,386 --> 00:32:47,386 Speaker 1: spots are and where officials car runners down. Again, in 669 00:32:47,386 --> 00:32:50,226 Speaker 1: the USFL, they put a computer chip in the ball 670 00:32:50,386 --> 00:32:52,626 Speaker 1: so you never had to guess where the ball went 671 00:32:52,626 --> 00:32:55,106 Speaker 1: out of bound. You never had to guess exactly, Hawf 672 00:32:55,186 --> 00:32:57,826 Speaker 1: offers down was I think more technology like that, it's coming. 673 00:32:57,946 --> 00:33:00,066 Speaker 1: That's awesome, you know, I think about that like that 674 00:33:00,186 --> 00:33:04,026 Speaker 1: solves a lot of issues. Put up that virtual wall 675 00:33:04,146 --> 00:33:07,066 Speaker 1: around the field, and soon as that ball goes over, 676 00:33:07,146 --> 00:33:10,666 Speaker 1: like you know, it's out. At that point, technology rules 677 00:33:10,746 --> 00:33:13,346 Speaker 1: the world. That's why the Selfie Museum is thriving. Yes, 678 00:33:13,666 --> 00:33:16,626 Speaker 1: that's exactly the reason why. I know I made reference 679 00:33:16,626 --> 00:33:18,586 Speaker 1: to it a little bit earlier. And that's the idea 680 00:33:18,666 --> 00:33:20,906 Speaker 1: of getting into our d m s. If you got 681 00:33:20,946 --> 00:33:23,386 Speaker 1: a question don't know who to ask, we got you 682 00:33:23,506 --> 00:33:27,026 Speaker 1: covered at Real Bike Rob at Mike Underscore. Yeah, if 683 00:33:27,026 --> 00:33:29,666 Speaker 1: you're new to the podcast, tell a friend, tell a friend, 684 00:33:29,666 --> 00:33:32,466 Speaker 1: hop a board, hop a board, follow us wherever you 685 00:33:32,466 --> 00:33:34,666 Speaker 1: get your podcasts and m Rob. I've sprinkled this in 686 00:33:34,706 --> 00:33:36,786 Speaker 1: throughout the course of the show. I'm actually legit excited 687 00:33:36,826 --> 00:33:39,226 Speaker 1: about this. We are we're now, our faces are out there. 688 00:33:39,386 --> 00:33:43,106 Speaker 1: It's you can find us on the NFL YouTube channel. 689 00:33:43,186 --> 00:33:45,266 Speaker 1: I had heard rumblings that this might happen, m Rob. 690 00:33:45,586 --> 00:33:47,226 Speaker 1: The other rumbling that I heard is me and you 691 00:33:47,546 --> 00:33:51,786 Speaker 1: we're getting our own show that's separate from NFL explained. Yeah, 692 00:33:51,826 --> 00:33:57,906 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a huge, huge thing. Details for real, man, 693 00:33:57,946 --> 00:34:01,426 Speaker 1: I'm getting pumped up. Run to California right now. Yeah. Well, 694 00:34:01,466 --> 00:34:04,506 Speaker 1: you know, not to make you disappointed, but you know 695 00:34:04,546 --> 00:34:06,506 Speaker 1: how they say, like speak things in to existence. That's 696 00:34:06,546 --> 00:34:10,266 Speaker 1: what I was doing. So that's what it's not. A 697 00:34:10,386 --> 00:34:15,666 Speaker 1: vision board at home. Don't actually have always legitimately appreciate 698 00:34:15,706 --> 00:34:18,386 Speaker 1: you guys checking us out. It's instant replaying, exploited