1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, 3 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio. 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: And how the tech are you. It's time for the 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: tech News for Tuesday, December twenty twenty two, and we've 6 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: got a lot of updates on big stories today. It's 7 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: gonna be I think a chunker of an episode. So first, 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: let's tackle the total mess that is the collapse of 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: f t X and the consequences that collapse has had 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: in the world of finance in general and cryptocurrency in particular, 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: and co founder Sam Bankman freed specifically. But first, in 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: case you're not familiar with f t X, I'll set 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: a little foundation. So f t X was the second 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: largest cryptocurrency exchange in the world. So a cryptocurrency exchange 15 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: is an organization designed to take currency in one form 16 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: and exchange it for an almost equal value in some 17 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: other form, just like you would do if you were 18 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: to visit a foreign country and you wanted to swap 19 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: out your native cash for the cash of the country. 20 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: And I say almost equal value because the exchange, of 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: course takes a little cut of each transaction. That's one 22 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: way that the exchange makes money. And like a lot 23 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: of exchanges, customers can also choose to store their currency 24 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: in whatever digital form it might be in within the 25 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: exchange itself, rather than extracting the money to put into 26 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: a separate digital wallet. Sometimes taking money out also means 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: that you get a cut taken out of it. So 28 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: once those cuts start adding up, a lot of customers say, 29 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll just leave it in there, so 30 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: that way I'm not losing more money by taking it 31 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: out of the system. So, as I said, f t 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: X was the second largest cryptocurrency exchange. It was behind 33 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: another company called Finance, which we are also going to 34 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: talk about in this episode. And f t X also 35 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: issued its own cryptocurrency token that was called f t T. 36 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: And yes, one major problem with this story is that 37 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: we use a lot of initialisms and it stinks and 38 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that's just how it is. So f 39 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: t X the exchange would award f t T tokens 40 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: to customers, and you could also trade your money in 41 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: for f t T. You could actually just cash into 42 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: f t T if you wanted to, and you can 43 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: use f t T to hold your wealth. Now, while 44 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: ft t was native to f t X is exchange, 45 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: it was also an accepted token on other exchanges. Now, 46 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: one of the co founders of f t X, as 47 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: I said, was Sam Bankman freed or s b f 48 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: as a was known in the crypto world, and I 49 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: hate that. So I'm just calling him Sam so that 50 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: we don't just have initials everywhere. Before co founding f 51 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: t X, Sam had also co founded a hedge fund 52 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: that focused on crypto. He did this a couple of 53 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:19,119 Speaker 1: years previously. That company was called Alamator Research. Well. Back 54 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: in November, a crypto news outlet called coin Desk published 55 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: a leaked records sheet that indicated that f t X 56 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: was funneling money from exchange customers to go to Alamator 57 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: Research in order to cover investment losses and loans and 58 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: things like that, which is kind of like robbing Peter 59 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: to pay Paul. You take cash that isn't yours from 60 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: one source in order to cover debts that are yours elsewhere. 61 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: The publication of that leaked record sheet led to a 62 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: full on collapse of f t X, which was exacerbated 63 00:03:54,760 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: first when financed chairman Cheung Peng c z Jo, we'll 64 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: just called Chong Peng said that Finance, which had been 65 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: an early investor in f t X, was dumping its 66 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: holdings of f t T. So Binance had millions of 67 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: f t T tokens that it kept as a result 68 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: of being an early investor in f t X. So 69 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: Binance says, we're dumping it, We're getting ready, we're cashing out. 70 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: That sent the value of f t T into the crapper. Right, 71 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: if you flood a market with an asset, the value 72 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: of that asset decreases. So then Binance said, you know what, 73 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna help you out. We're gonna buy f t X, 74 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: and then almost immediately backed out of that non binding agreement, 75 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: which really it was like a shot to the heart, 76 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: and Finance was to blame. So f t X really 77 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: took it that time. And there's also the question of 78 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars of f t X customer 79 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: funds having just gone missing. You know, there are there 80 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: are records of transactions that happened that went to some 81 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: mysterious recipient, where all this money that should have belonged 82 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: to ft X customers was essentially at least by appearance stolen, 83 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of people who suspect that 84 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: either Sam or one of as many crypto bros took 85 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: the money before things totally fell apart. The collapse of 86 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: f t X, which was already coming at a time 87 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: when crypto was having a rough go of it sent 88 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: a huge ripple out in the crypto world, and we 89 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: saw investors start to lose even more confidence in crypto 90 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: and values would drop across the board. Pretty much. That's 91 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: our foundation. Now we can actually talk about what's happened recently. 92 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: So first up, Sam's headquarters for f t X was 93 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: in the Bahamas over the last year or two. So 94 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: a lot of these crypto exchanges maintain their headquarters overseas 95 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: and places that have let's say, relaxed laws and regulations 96 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: regarding financial institutions somewhere that's out of the purview of 97 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: major financial regulators, like like what we have here in 98 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: the United States. But you know, rich people they really 99 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: hate it when someone else steals their money or causes 100 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: them to lose money. So rich people will go to 101 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: really great links in order to get justice, as opposed 102 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: to say, if a poor person is robbed, you don't 103 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: see nearly as much effort to help that person. Yes, 104 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: this is commentary, but it's also true. Okay, so yeah, 105 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: it stinks anyway. In the wake of this collapse, with 106 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: all these rich people losing lots of money and then 107 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: the revelations about f t X and alimated research, the 108 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: police in the Bahamas launched an investigation into f t 109 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: X and our buddy Sam. Folks over here in the 110 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: United States were likewise eager to look into the matter, 111 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: and the Senate Banking Committee wished to hold a hearing 112 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: about f t X this week. In fact, it was 113 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: supposed to happen today, and they wanted Am to testify 114 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: at this hearing. Sam reportedly declined to acquiesce to their request, so, 115 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: in other words, he told him to pound sand and 116 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: senators said they had offered two different dates for Sam. 117 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: They had included the option for him to attend virtually 118 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: where he wouldn't have to actually travel to the United States, 119 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: and he still declined, and his attorney said he had 120 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: no intention of obeying any subpoenas that the Senate might request. 121 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: So it sounded like Sam was really holding out to 122 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: avoid being pinned down. But that would not last because 123 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: while we were hearing about Sam deciding not to appear 124 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: before the Senate. The Bahamanian authorities were preparing to arrest him, 125 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: and they did on Monday evening. So last night, the 126 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: U S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York 127 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: indicted Sam and sent the sealed indictment to the Bahamanian 128 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: authorities and they acted upon it. So presumably this also 129 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: sets the stage to extradite Sam from the Bahamas to 130 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: the United States, where he will face new risk charges. 131 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: Now this is a separate but parallel effort with what 132 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: we're hearing about the Senate hearings. In fact, senators were 133 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: surprised to learn of Sam's arrest and some have expressed 134 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: disappointment that he will not appear before the Senate to 135 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: explain the situation that led to f t x's collapse. 136 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: As for the charges that Sam faces, they reportedly include 137 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: counts of securities fraud, conspiracy, securities fraud itself, wire fraud conspiracy, 138 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: wire fraud itself, and money laundering. Yeah, rich people really 139 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: don't like it when folks take their money. The U S. 140 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: Securities and Exchange Commission, or SEC, accuses Samba committing a 141 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: quote years long fraud end quote, meaning this isn't just 142 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: about the months that led up to f t x's demise. Essentially, 143 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: the SEC seems to be saying that f t X 144 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: was really not so much a cryptocurrency exchange as it 145 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: was a funnel that would collect money from customers and 146 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: then send that to Alimated Research in order to fund 147 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: trades and real estate deals and to give out massive 148 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: loans to the company's founders, including Sam, who, according to 149 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: the SEC, borrowed a staggering one point three three eight 150 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: billion dollars from Alameda. That's a lot of money to borrow. 151 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: Right on top of the SEC's charges against Sam, there 152 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: are other agencies waiting to get in line to take 153 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: their shot. They include the U. S. Attorney's Office for 154 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: the Southern District of New York, which we mentioned earlier, 155 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: and also the Commodity Futures Trading Commission or c f TC. 156 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: Sam will appear in court in the Bahamas today. He 157 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: does not have the luxury of saying no to that appointment, 158 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: and the Bahamanian government is pretty darn eager to talk 159 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: to Sam outside his discussions with the US because the 160 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: government very much wants to reclaim more than two hundred 161 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars worth of Bahamas property that Sam and 162 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: f t X executive Ryan Salami. Um, it's maybe it's Salame. 163 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: It's s A L A M E that I'm gonna 164 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: say Salami anyway, Ryan, I'll say Ryan and Sam purchased 165 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: two million plus dollars of Bahama, Bahamas property in the past. 166 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: That's actually thirty five different properties across New Providence, Bahamas. 167 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: Those properties have been tangled up in the bankruptcy proceedings 168 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: for f t X because uh, you know, ft X 169 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: brought in a new CEO in order to oversee the 170 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: company going into bankruptcy. But the Bahamanian government says that 171 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: one having a U S court handled Bahamanian property is 172 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: inefficient because it could be done much more smoothly in 173 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: the Bahamas. So it's a waste of resources, is what 174 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: they're saying. But more importantly to having a foreign court 175 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: handled that sort of thing is illegal by Bahamanian law anyway, 176 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: That it's against the law in the Bahamas for property 177 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: in the Bahamas to be handled by a foreign you know, 178 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: legal system essentially, is what it comes down to. I 179 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: only include this part of the story to show how 180 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: incredibly complicated. This whole crypto issue has become because it 181 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: affects both digital and real world assets. Current fd X 182 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: CEO John I, dismantled in Ron Ray, probably doesn't want 183 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: any of that to happen. He doesn't want the properties 184 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: to be relegated over to the Bahamanian authorities because it's 185 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: his job to try and squeeze as much out of 186 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: the corpse of f t X in order to return 187 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: assets to investors as he possibly can, So surrendering two 188 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: million bucks worth of real estate doesn't really fit in 189 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: with that plan. And y'all, I cannot wait for the 190 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: flood of TV series and films that will cover this 191 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: mess in the future. Now, before I go to break 192 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: and then move on to a related topic, I have 193 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: one last thing to say about f t X. The 194 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: Australian Financial Review reports that an inner circle I called 195 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: it a cabal, but an inner circle running f t X, 196 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: had created a secret chat group in the days leading 197 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: up to the collapse, and that chat group had the 198 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: name according to the Australian Financial Review of wire Fraud. Now, 199 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: that seems like it's a supremely stupid thing to do 200 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: to me, Like I just I just can't see why 201 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: anyone would make a chat group called wire Fraud. I mean, 202 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: maybe it was gallows humor, right, maybe it was done 203 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: as a tongue in cheek, snarky way of of trying 204 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: to deal with the situation, because otherwise you're you're leaving 205 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: a smoking gun laying around on purpose. But then the 206 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: group was also using Signal, which is a messaging and 207 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: chat at that's known for you know, secrecy and encrypted messaging. 208 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: So it's possible that wire Fraud wasn't meant to be 209 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: humorous or ironic or or sarcastic. It was just you know, 210 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: to get everyone on the same page. Now, Sam for 211 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: his part, denies knowing of such a group and said 212 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: that if it does exist, he was not in it. 213 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, wild, Okay, we're gonna take a quick break. 214 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll talk about some other issues 215 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: in the crypto world and a couple of other stories, 216 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: but first let's go to these messages. Okay, we are 217 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: done talking about the recent developments with f t X 218 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: and Sam Bankman Freed, But now let's talk about Finance, 219 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: the largest cryptocurrency exchange in the world. Uh. The former 220 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: investor into f t X, and then arguably slayer of 221 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: f t X, and now it is at the center 222 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: of its own turmoil. Although to say now is being unfair, 223 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: because it turns out Finance has been under serious investigation 224 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: for years, well before the collapse of f t X. 225 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal reports that Finance has been trying 226 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: to mollify customers and reassure them that unlike f t X, 227 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: Finance has the reserves to cover all customer funds that 228 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: are stored within the exchange, and then a little extra 229 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: as a reserve. But the journal sites and accounting professor 230 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: named Douglas Carmichael, which side note, if you have the 231 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: name Douglas Carmichael, I think it's the law that you 232 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: have to be an accounting professor. Anyway, He says that 233 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: the quote unquote proof that Finance has offered so far 234 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: is probably not sufficient to back up what the company 235 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: is claiming. It's probably not going to be enough for 236 00:14:55,640 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: serious investors to feel comfortable with the situation. Shan Now, 237 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily the case that Finance doesn't actually have 238 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: the funds, but so far the evidence being shared is 239 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: not enough to support the claim that everything is hunky dory. 240 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: And the proof so far is a single report which 241 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: is more like a five page letter from a quote 242 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: partner at the South African affiliate of the global accounting 243 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: firm Mazaars end quote in the county in the Land 244 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: of Oz. According to the journal, the report included three 245 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:38,359 Speaker 1: whole numbers in it an exhaustive report of finances, systems 246 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: and policies. No, it was not that, obviously, um, it 247 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: was not an audit report. It did not actually go 248 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: into what control systems, if any, that finance uses. Uh So, 249 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: in other words, a lot of stuff that investors might 250 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: want access to, a lot of transparency did not come 251 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: forward in this letter, in this report. So that's part 252 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: of why Carmichael says investors are probably not really satisfied 253 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: with this report because all they got were these three numbers. 254 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: Two of those numbers also had a bit of concern 255 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: to them. So one of the numbers is about how 256 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: much total currency in bitcoins are in the exchange, and 257 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: the other numbers how many total bitcoins customers held in 258 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: the exchange. So, in other words, let's say you all 259 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: bank at the same place, does the bank actually have 260 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: enough money so that if every single person who had 261 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: an account came in and withdrew all of their money, 262 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: the bank would be able to cover it in this case. 263 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: You know, what Finance had been saying is, yes, we 264 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: have a one to one cover for all currency held 265 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: in our exchange. But as it turns out, those numbers 266 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: are not the same. They the currency actually has few 267 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: were bitcoins in its reserves than customers have quote unquote 268 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: held in the exchange, by the tune of our almost 269 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: well actually a little bit more than fifteen thousand bitcoins. Now, 270 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: this is an exchange that has more than half a 271 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 1: million of those ding dang darn things. So it's not 272 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: like it's not like fifteen thousand represents a huge percentage, right, 273 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: But it's still concerning. Right if if everyone suddenly got 274 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: nervous and decided to withdraw their money out of the exchange, Well, 275 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: based upon this, the exchange does not have the currency 276 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: to cover all of that, and that was one of 277 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: the big concerns with f t X and really lead 278 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: to its collapse. However, Finance also says, hey, the reason 279 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: for this is that we also issue loans to customers, 280 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, loans of cryptocurrency. So some of the money 281 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: that belongs to US is outstanding. It's not it's not 282 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: currently in our reserves, but it's where we hold it 283 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: in the form of loans that have been is you 284 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: to customers, and those loans will be repaid with interest, 285 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: which means ultimately, yes, we can cover everything. In fact, 286 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: we have one collateral. Our collateralization is really what we 287 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: call it. It's just that right now, technically they don't 288 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: have it. So things are just kind of shaky on 289 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: an investor front. But uh, that's not the end of 290 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: finance's troubles by a long shot. So the U s 291 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: Department of Justice has actually been actively investigating finance for years, 292 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: particularly in realms of money laundering and processing payments that 293 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: sidestep international sanctions, such as money that gets funneled to 294 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: places like Iran uh where which should otherwise be subjected 295 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: to UH two sanctions. Reuter's reports that Binance has been 296 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: responsible for processing ten billion dollars in illegal payments this year, 297 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: and that does not sound good. Apparently, the US government 298 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: has even been in discussions with finances legal teams over 299 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: the matter of plea deals. You know, when you start 300 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: talking plea deals, that's just things are starting to build 301 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: up against the crypto exchange here in the States at least. 302 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: But Reuters also reports that the various departments within the 303 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: d o J that are involved in this investigation, and 304 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: there are three major departments that are part of this, 305 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: they aren't completely aligned on when to move forward with 306 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: any charges filed, and some of those departments have a 307 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: more methodical approach than others. So by that, I mean 308 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: there are divisions within the d o J that are 309 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: very thorough when they build a case, which can be 310 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: frustrating to other departments that tend to act more aggressively. 311 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: And I think there are valid arguments for both approaches. Right, 312 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: being methodical leads to building a better case against a 313 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: suspect if in fact, you determine that there is a 314 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: case to be made, or it might save you lots 315 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: of time and money if you realize, oh, you know, 316 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: there's not enough there there. Meanwhile, being aggressive can mitigate 317 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: ongoing harm, right You can cut off the harm that 318 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: is happening right now by acting faster. That is, assuming 319 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: of course, that the case has merit. If the case 320 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: doesn't have merit, then being aggressive can cause more harm. Obviously, anyway, 321 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: there's no telling where this is going to end up 322 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: in the long run yet, but it does mean things 323 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: are increasingly chaotic, so much so that Finance temporarily halted 324 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: withdrawals of U s d C earlier today in an 325 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: effort to stem a transactional problem on the platform. So 326 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: U s d C is a stable coin that is 327 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: linked to the US dollar. UH. Investors sometimes use us 328 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: DC to swap one form of cryptocurrency to another without 329 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: actually having to convert it to real US dollars. Uh. 330 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: It's just you know, a digital version of the US 331 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: dollar in in many ways, it's a stable coin, is 332 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: what's called. Anyway. The issue, according to Chung paying himself, 333 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: is that if a Binance customer wants to convert p 334 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: a X or b U s D into USDC, so 335 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: in other words, these specific forms of crypto into the 336 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: stable coin U s DC, that process requires routing through 337 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: a bank that's in New York, and at the time 338 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: where people were trying to do this, the bank had 339 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: not yet opened. So Binance decided to clamp down on 340 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: those transactions in an effort to swap out a different 341 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: token two facilitate these switches from one cryptocurrency to another. 342 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 1: In the meantime, over the last twenty four hours, Binance 343 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: has seen customers would draw more than one point six 344 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: billion dollars worth of assets from the exchange. So even 345 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: if all these investigations ultimately lead nowhere Finance, this situation 346 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: right now is a bit rocky because investors have freaked 347 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: out due to multiple red flags. So crypto is in 348 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: a really delicate place right now. I'm not suggesting that 349 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: crypto is gonna completely collapse and that it will no 350 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: longer be the grand experiment that it was, but rather 351 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: it's in for a real hard time in the at 352 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: least the short term, if not the long term, as 353 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: these major exchanges that have kind of built themselves up 354 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: into being pillars of the crypto community, a community that 355 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: infamously values itself on being decentralized, are now in potential 356 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: jeopardy either because of a lack of investor confidence or 357 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: in the case of Finance, being the active subject of 358 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: massive investigations into money laundering and other violations. Like that's 359 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: bad news. That does not necessarily mean that there would 360 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: be a direct effect on the cryptocurrency values themselves, but 361 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: frequently what you'll see is investors get worried, they start 362 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: pulling their investments, they convert it back into a different 363 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: form of currency, and in some cases they may just 364 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: cash out entirely and say you know what, Uh, this 365 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: was an interesting approach, it's not for me. I'm done, 366 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: and that ultimately ends up hurting the entire crypto community. Personally, 367 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: I think that crypto is not great. I think there 368 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: are a lot of reasons why crypto is not great. 369 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: I think that the the selling point of it being 370 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: decentralized is a smoke screen. It's really just centralized in 371 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: a different way, um, and that it consolidates wealth in 372 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: a different group of people than what we saw before. 373 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: So it's not like it's I wouldn't say it's worse 374 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: than what we already have, but I wouldn't say it's 375 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: better either. It's just different, um, and different in a 376 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: way that's very unstable. So I am very much against 377 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: the whole crypto thing from that perspective. Maybe it survives 378 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: all of these trials and tribulations, it will mature to 379 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: a stage that is more reliable, less volatile, more acceptable 380 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: as an actual currency as opposed to a commodity. But 381 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: that's all. Those are a lot of ifs, and I 382 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: remained skeptical. I'd love to be proven wrong. It's just 383 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: I suspect I will not be all right, that's enough 384 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: of that. We're gonna take another quick break when we 385 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: come back. We've got a few more tech stories to cover. 386 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: Quite a few actually, as I look at my lineup, 387 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: but they're shorter as they involve lots of other stuff. 388 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: So we're gonna take a break, come back and tackle 389 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: those in just a moment. Okay, we're back. So one 390 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: ongoing story we have talked about several times on this 391 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 1: show is Microsoft's bid to acquire the video game company 392 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: at division Blizzard, and of course, Activision Blizzard itself is 393 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: the source of lots of stories, many of them dark ones. 394 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: But anyway, the US Federal Trade Commission, or FTC, has 395 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: sued Microsoft. In fact, it did this last week in 396 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: an effort to block this acquisition, and has called the 397 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: merger and anti competitive move that or reduce competition in 398 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: the video games market. Now, The New York Times predicts 399 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: that this is going to be a very tough case 400 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: for the FTC to prove in court because courts typically 401 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: see companies like Microsoft and Activision Blizzard as being distinct 402 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: and they are not necessarily companies that compete directly with 403 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: one another. Therefore, when companies that don't directly compete merge, 404 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: you don't have a reduction in competition because the two 405 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: companies didn't represent competing entities in the first place. So 406 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: that's the logic that the New York Times is using. 407 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: They're they're thought of as a vertical mergers, and that 408 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, usually such a merger isn't viewed as having 409 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: a measurable impact on competition. As a result. Now, it 410 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: may turn out that the FTC is going to just 411 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: completely fail in this effort, but we are seeing this 412 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: kind of resistance to that specific merger of Microsoft and 413 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: Activision Blizzard happening around the world. In some cases, we've 414 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: seen it where it appears that Sony representatives have played 415 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: a part in sowing UH distrust in the acquisition, suggesting 416 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: that Microsoft is kind of locking video game publishers and 417 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: developers away behind their own corporate UH boundaries and that 418 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: ultimately that will cut off access to competitors like Sony. 419 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: So the long story short, the argument is that hey, 420 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: if if Microsoft buys Activision Blizzard, then in the future, 421 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: Sony is not gonna be able to get access to 422 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: Activision Blizzard titoles, something that Microsoft reps have said multiple 423 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: times is just not what's going to happen um Anyway, 424 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: It's really interesting to see the FTC push hard against 425 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: moves that it sees as potentially being anti competitive, because 426 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: here in the US for the last several decades that 427 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: just hasn't been the case. There's been a very lass 428 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: a fair approach which was really infamous in the eighties 429 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: that allowed companies to kind of consolidate and grow larger 430 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: and buy up their competition with really no resistance from 431 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: the US government. That is changing, but it does mean 432 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: that the FTC is going to have a very long 433 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: list of battles to fight. And also Microsoft has a 434 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: history of getting out of these kind of situations. At 435 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: one point, courts had ruled that Microsoft was to break 436 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,959 Speaker 1: apart into different companies, but ultimately that decision was reversed 437 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: and so the company continued as as we know it. 438 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: So I I suspect this is probably not going to 439 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: succeed in court based upon just how long a shot 440 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: it is. But I also feel that consolidation in general 441 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,719 Speaker 1: typically is not the best for the end consumer in 442 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: most cases, So uh, and also big tech getting bigger 443 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: is not something I'm terribly interested in seeing. It's just 444 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: that I think there are other battles into space that 445 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: are more important. Okay, we're not done yet. We got 446 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: some Twitter and some Tesla news. Of course we do, 447 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: because you can't get away from me. On Musk. On Sunday, 448 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: he tweeted, quote, the boats are in for a surprise 449 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: tomorrow end quote. And turns out so was most of 450 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: Southeast Asia. You see, Musk had promised to rid Twitter 451 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: of bots. That was like one of his big things 452 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: when he was first being so braggish about buying Twitter, 453 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: before he decided that he didn't want to buy Twitter, 454 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: before he decided, yeah, no, I will buy Twitter. So anyway, 455 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 1: the solution that he and his team apparently came up 456 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: with was not to identify bots on the platform and 457 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: then block those bots. Instead, it was to cut off 458 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: access to entire mobile networks that had been known to 459 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: carry bought traffic on them. But these networks are also 460 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: used by you know, real human beings who actually use 461 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: and in some cases rely upon Twitter. So Twitter essentially 462 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: cuts access off from these networks, and that left tons 463 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: of legitimate users unable to access Twitter on their devices, 464 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: and then in came a flood of complaints and requests 465 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: for help. So what did Twitter do well? It did 466 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: the exact same thing we saw when the company rolled 467 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: out the paid for blue verification check marks last month. 468 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: It subsequently rolled the decision back. This time, Twitter reps 469 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: actually claimed the whole problem was due to quote routing 470 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: configuration changes end quote, which sounds to me like it's 471 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: just a lie to cover up the fact that the 472 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: company made a unilateral move that affected both bots and 473 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: real people equally, then had to back pedal. I want 474 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: to stress it sounds to me like a lie. I'm 475 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: not saying it is a lie, it just sounds like one. 476 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: Now one might start to call in the question Musk's 477 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: reputation for being a genius at this point, you know, 478 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: just from based upon recent evidence. That is, if the 479 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: person had not already dismissed such an idea years ago. 480 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: Many of you out there, I'm sure, are in that 481 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: camp already. And last week three members of Twitter's Trust 482 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: and Safety Council resigned. They said that under Musk, Twitter's 483 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: users safety is on the decline and that the council 484 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: isn't being listened to, and that Twitter is actively becoming 485 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: a more dangerous place instead of a safer one, particularly 486 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: for really houlnerable people like kids. As such, these council 487 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: members have decided that if they cannot do anything about it, 488 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: and if Musk is not going to listen to them, 489 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: there's no reason to stay. They are not authorized to 490 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: make the changes needed to improve safety, and Twitter does 491 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: not really have the resources needed to make such a 492 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: thing possible, now that so many people have left the 493 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: company somewhere around by some estimations, and it sounded pretty 494 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: darn grim. There's also news about Tesla's UH advertising woes. 495 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: Obviously those continue. I'm not going to go into great 496 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: detail because those numbers are changing so fast. By the 497 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: time you listen to this it will be out of 498 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: date anyway. But let's just say that Twitter is UH 499 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: is having real problems on the advertiser front, and the 500 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: hope that subscriptions to Twitter Blue is somehow going to 501 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: counteract that, I think is optimistic. Say, Tesla is facing 502 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: a class action lawsuit that claims the company has engaged 503 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: in fraud. Now, Tesla's lawyers are saying, quote mere failure 504 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: to realize a long term aspirational goal is not fraud 505 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: end quote, and they're asking a judge to dismiss this case. Now, 506 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: those of y'all who have listened to tech stuff for 507 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: a while, you likely know my thoughts about this. Yes, 508 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: Tesla has failed to realize a long term aspirational goal 509 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: in the form of creating a truly autonomous vehicle, and no, 510 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: failure is not fraud. However, during that time, Tesla has 511 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: also marketed products called autopilot and full self driving, which, 512 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: if we are to assume that you know, words mean things, 513 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: suggests that the vehicle should be capable of operating all 514 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: on their own and yes, on its web pages if 515 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: you go and read it, Tesla has repeatedly said it 516 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: that it's advanced driver assist features are not a substitute 517 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: for a human driver. They are not an autonomous system. However, 518 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: the company continues to market those tools with names that 519 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: suggest otherwise. On top of that, Elon Musk has repeatedly 520 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: proclaimed we're just a year or two away from full 521 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: on robo taxis, where you'll be able to turn your 522 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: car into a revenue generator. And this isn't something he's 523 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: only said recently. He's been saying it over the years, 524 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: and each year comes and goes and they don't achieve 525 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: that goal. And again that's not necessarily fraud on its own. 526 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: But when you start taking into these into consideration, a 527 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: combination of all this with the marketing and the naming conventions, 528 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: things get a lot more muddy. I mean, if I 529 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: were to sell you a bottle of flying potion, and 530 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: you were to drink the bottle of potion and then 531 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: you break your leg as you jumped off a tree 532 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: limb when you fell to the ground, I couldn't just say, oh, well, 533 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: I just failed to get the potion right. It's an 534 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: aspirational goal. No, you would say I committed fraud because 535 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: I sold you a potion that doesn't do the thing 536 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: that I said it does. Now, if I left a 537 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: little label on that potion that said does not actually 538 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: give you flying powers, I might have a pretty decent argument. 539 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: I'd probably be called a scumball for legitimate reasons, But 540 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: I have an argument to say, like, hey, no, no, no, 541 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 1: I have a disclaimer here. So we'll have to wait 542 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: and see if courts agree with Tesla's lawyers on the 543 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: matter or if it will proceed. Because I just don't 544 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: know I mean, you could and you you can't say 545 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: legitimately that Tesla said on its web page this is 546 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: not an autonomous system. But again, the marketing and naming 547 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: makes it difficult. Right, It's a very muddy sort of 548 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: thing to look at. Now, there were some other news 549 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: items I had originally lined up to talk about that 550 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: I I was going to include, but it would have 551 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: made this episode run super long. It involved stuff like 552 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: there were worries about surveys that show Tesla's brand image 553 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: has taken a real nose dive. It's gone into negative territory, 554 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: which is not completely on the company itself, although partly, 555 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of people complaining about 556 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,919 Speaker 1: things like build quality of Tesla vehicles, but it also 557 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: obviously takes into consideration things like Ellen Must's behavior on Twitter, 558 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: which really has no, you know, direct relationship with Tesla, 559 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: but still is having an impact on people's perception of it. 560 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: Then I also had a story about um Meta cutting 561 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: back on rideshare allowances as a part of cost cutting measures. 562 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: But I feel like we've done enough bad news. Let's 563 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: end with something that's actually kind of amazing. Although we're 564 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: also going to take a step back and a little 565 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: reality pill in the process. We're going to talk about 566 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: fusion and a breakthrough at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory 567 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: in California. First, let's give a quick rundown on nuclear fusion. 568 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: The nuclear power that we use around the world right 569 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 1: now in order to generate electricity is fission. That's where 570 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: you harvest energy that's generated upon the splitting of heavy atoms. 571 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 1: This splitting perpetuates a series of reactions that keeps things going, 572 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: and when you use this with careful controls, you can 573 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: release tons of energy in the form of heat that 574 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 1: you can then harness to generate electricity. However, the fission 575 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: process creates dangerous nuclear waste that you have to figure 576 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: out what to do with, whether that's to process it 577 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: further or to you know, bury it somewhere or whatever. 578 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: And there are other dangers involved, including the possibility of 579 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: accidents like we've seen at sites like Three Mile Island 580 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: or Chernobyl or Fukushima. Those dangers range from releasing radioactive 581 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: material into the environment all the way up to nuclear meltdown. 582 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: So there are some big challenges with fission to do 583 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: it in a way that is not just safe but 584 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: people feel comfortable with it, right, So that's that's part 585 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: of it. There is another nuclear process called fusion, and 586 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: fusion we have to light atoms that fuse together. This 587 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: process also releases energy, but it also requires a good 588 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: amount of energy to get the reaction going in the 589 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: first place. Because atoms don't want to get that close, right, 590 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: They don't want to fuse together like this. You have 591 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: to force them to do it, and that means you 592 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: have to exert energy to make it happen. Once they 593 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: do it, they release energy, but you've gotta spend energy first. 594 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: So fusion is the nuclear process that occurs in stars, 595 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: where you know, gravitational forces and pressure are providing the 596 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: energy needed to generate and sustain fusion. That's not something 597 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: we can easily replicate here on Earth, right, we can't 598 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: just make a man your star. So the sun generates 599 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: the light we see through fusion as high erogen combines 600 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: to form a type of helium at a temperature of 601 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: millions of degrees. Shout out to they might be giants. 602 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: If we can harness the power of fusion in a 603 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: way where we can release sustainable energy that we can 604 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: convert into electricity, that would be a tremendous breakthrough. It 605 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: would totally revolutionize the energy economy. It's the kind of 606 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: thing that could provide a way to entirely ditch fossil 607 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: fuels and things like internal combustion engines and switch to 608 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: electric motors because electricity would be plentiful, it would be cheap, 609 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: it would be environmentally friendly, it would not produce things 610 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: like the dangerous nuclear waste that fission plants do, and 611 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: the fuel we'd be using would be among the most 612 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: plentiful in the universe. Kind Of there's an asterisk by that, 613 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: but I'm not going to go into great detail about 614 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: that anyway. A huge obstacle to fusion has been finding 615 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: a way to initiate reaction so that the net output 616 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 1: of energy is greater than the net input we used 617 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: to get the reaction going. So if you have to 618 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: spend more energy to get things moving then you get 619 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: out of the process, that's a net loss. You get 620 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: yourself a nonstarter. It doesn't make sense. You're just gonna 621 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: be losing energy in the in the whole system. So 622 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: the researchers at Livermore have managed to initiate a reaction 623 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: and get more energy out then was put in with 624 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,399 Speaker 1: their lasers. And to be clear, I'm not saying they 625 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: created energy. You cannot create energy. Rather, the energy needed 626 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: to start a process was less than what the process released. 627 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: It's kind of like how if you were to light 628 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: a pool of fuel with a match, the energy given 629 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: off by the burning fuel would be way bigger than 630 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: the energy you use to light the match itself. You 631 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,760 Speaker 1: didn't generate it, it's just the process that's releasing that energy. Now, 632 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,280 Speaker 1: there are are some asterisks that we have to address 633 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: before we can say all our energy concerns are behind us. 634 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: For one thing, we do get a net positive amount 635 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: of energy out of this reaction only if we're just 636 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: considering how much energy the lasers were directing to the 637 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: fuel source. So in that sense, it took two point 638 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 1: zero five mega jewels from lasers to start a process 639 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: that ultimately released three point one five mega jewels of energy. 640 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: So yeah, more energy out than what you put in. However, 641 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: to power those lasers would require more than just two 642 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 1: point oh five mega jewels because these pew pew laser 643 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: beams are not efficient. In fact, they are far from it. 644 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: They are very inefficient. It took three hundred mega jewels 645 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: to power the lasers, then the lasers generate that two 646 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: point oh five mega jewle beam. So yeah, if we 647 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,959 Speaker 1: factor in that the three hundred mega jules we needed 648 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: to power the system, well, releasing three point one five 649 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: mega jeweles is not a Grand Slam home run, right However, 650 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: it is a step forward, and there are other methods 651 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: we can use besides lasers to initiate fusion. Some of 652 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: them may prove to be far more efficient in the 653 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 1: long run. So this is a good development, right it is. 654 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: It is something we should celebrate. It is not an 655 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,280 Speaker 1: earth shattering breakthrough because we still have some massive hurdles 656 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: to overcome and we are not going to be switching 657 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 1: over to fusion power right away, but we are a 658 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: little closer to that goal. So that is something I 659 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: think we need to be excited about. It's just important 660 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: that we also understand the limitations that still stand in 661 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: our way, because my fear is that if we don't 662 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: acknowledge those things, then people start to get upset when 663 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: a year or two or five later they're saying, where 664 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: the heck are these fusion reactors we were supposed to have? Right, 665 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: Everyone's like well, I heard that there was a ether. 666 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: Why don't we have them yet? We have to understand 667 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: what the challenges are, the engineering challenges, the science that 668 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: needs to be perfected in order for us to be 669 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: able to create an efficient system, so that we have 670 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,879 Speaker 1: a realistic expectation of how far along we are and 671 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: how far away our goal is. And that way we 672 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: don't get discouraged, because if we do get discouraged, then 673 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 1: funding gets cut, and if funding gets cut, we never 674 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: get to where we want to go. Okay, that's it. 675 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 1: This was a super long news episode. Hopefully Thursdays will 676 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: be much shorter. Hope you are well. 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